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Pureracket
Jun 14th, 2011, 03:12 PM
by Nathan A. Heflick in The Big Questions

Even a man who thought that women want to have sex with their fathers and that women spend much of their lives distraught because they lack a penis is right sometimes. This person, the legend that is Sigmund Freud, theorized that people often have the most hateful and negative attitudes towards things they secretly crave, but feel that they shouldn't have.

If Freud is right, then perhaps men who are the most opposed to male homosexuality have particularly strong homosexual urges for other men.

One study asked heterosexal men how comfortable and anxious they are around gay men. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups: men that are homophobic, and men who are not. These men were then shown three, four minute videos. One video depicted straight sex, one depicted lesbian sex and one depicted gay male sex. While this was happening, a device was attached to the male participant's penises. This device has been found to be triggered by sexual arousal, but not other types of arousal (such as nervousness, or fear - arousal often has a very different meaning in psychology than in popular usage).

Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But, their penises reported otherwise.

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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn

ElusiveChanteuse
Jun 14th, 2011, 03:49 PM
I'd like to see how they conduct the study.:)

kwilliams
Jun 14th, 2011, 03:54 PM
How interesting. I'd like to see the Westboro Baptists do this test. I wonder how hard Shirley Phelps would get?

miffedmax
Jun 14th, 2011, 04:07 PM
Frankly, I'm not even remotely surprised. I've watched some gay porn with my brother out of curiousity and was pretty much turned off. On the other hand, back in the day when I my friends were getting married off and the traditional bachelor parties included the viewing of such fine artistic film making, it was always the most homophobic guys who made the most remarks about the male performers and their endowments.

And I know I'm the only straight guy on earth who isn't turned on by faux-lesbian porn. :shrug:

Direwolf
Jun 14th, 2011, 04:10 PM
I too would like to see the Video of this test!

Pump-it-UP
Jun 14th, 2011, 04:41 PM
I totally believe it :lol:

Super Dave
Jun 14th, 2011, 05:06 PM
And I know I'm the only straight guy on earth who isn't turned on by faux-lesbian porn. :shrug:

Yes, you are :hug: Go take your medicine.

Drake1980
Jun 14th, 2011, 05:09 PM
:lol:

pokey camp
Jun 14th, 2011, 05:23 PM
I'd like to see how they conduct the study.:)
tMIaVBnOhXo

Sadly it's only a reenactment, but it does explain the methodology of the study.

Super Dave
Jun 14th, 2011, 05:42 PM
This was the next video they watched.

http://nuevosgif.tk/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/4c616_1251469387_masturbating_dog.gif

Results are not yet in.

miffedmax
Jun 14th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Yes, you are :hug: Go take your medicine.

I'm just going to go with assuming it all ties back to some kind of Caca-related trauma and leave it at that.

*JR*
Jun 14th, 2011, 09:20 PM
And I know I'm the only straight guy on earth who isn't turned on by faux-lesbian porn. :shrug:

You think Sarah got it on with Christine O'Donnell and Nikki Haley after their 2010 campaign meetings? :drool:

http://imeanwhat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/odonnell-palin.jpg http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/0622-nikki-haley-sarah-palin-tim-scott/8189565-1-eng-US/0622-nikki-haley-sarah-palin-tim-scott_full_600.jpg

Pureracket
Jun 14th, 2011, 09:55 PM
Oddly, I don't think gay porn is the most accurate guage to detect homoerotic tendencies in homophobic men. I would imagine if they saw genuine love between two men with the display of affection and general adoration, the homophobic men would be even more tempted.

MaBaker
Jun 15th, 2011, 12:42 AM
I've watched some gay porn with my brother
Please, don't ever go near Elena :facepalm:

miffedmax
Jun 15th, 2011, 02:49 AM
Please, don't ever go near Elena :facepalm:

It depends on your definition of "near." The restraining order says 500 feet.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jun 15th, 2011, 04:50 AM
Please, don't ever go near Elena :facepalm:

:happy:

Grinder
Jun 15th, 2011, 06:07 AM
Yeah.....I'm not buying it.

It's just a way of feeling better by making homophobes appear hypocritical.

The only kind of porn I enjoy is two hot chicks going at it. But I'm not a big porn guy...so...

kittyking
Jun 15th, 2011, 11:15 AM
This was the next video they watched.

http://nuevosgif.tk/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/4c616_1251469387_masturbating_dog.gif

Results are not yet in.

:hearts: :p

shap_half
Jun 15th, 2011, 02:23 PM
Yeah.....I'm not buying it.

It's just a way of feeling better by making homophobes appear hypocritical.

Who feels better about this?

The Witch-king
Jun 15th, 2011, 02:53 PM
Isn't that the same website that posted a study on why black women are not attractive? (and said it 's because they have more testosterone than other races :weirdo:)

Wigglytuff
Jun 15th, 2011, 02:58 PM
NOT surprised at all. As I read this I was like, "yeah and rain is wet". If they were not so turned on by it they would not be so homophobic.

pov
Jun 15th, 2011, 07:23 PM
NOT surprised at all. As I read this I was like, "yeah and rain is wet". If they were not so turned on by it they would not be so homophobic.
:haha: And I'm not surprised that you buy into this. Is it so? I don't know . it seems wack, the blogger seems even more wack and the study is from 1996 and is on a government site. It also plays into the sad thinking that biology and sub-conscious processes are the primary, or even sole, determinants of behavioral preferences and choices. Yet the results of this same study can be easily viewed as saying that "a response to physical/subconscious same-sex doesn't mandate becoming homosexual."

Apoleb
Jun 15th, 2011, 07:30 PM
SO basically pov likes gay porn. Interesting. :oh:

pov
Jun 15th, 2011, 07:40 PM
SO basically pov likes gay porn. Interesting. :oh:Gay porn can be cool. Although the fake tan, pancaked-up, boob-job fake-gay type actresses they sometimes have are kind of ugh

Apoleb
Jun 15th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Doesn't this study prove that homosexuality is not genetic? After all, if it were genetic, then heterosexual men would be aroused by heterosexual porn only, while homosexual men would be aroused by homosexual porn only. Obviously, it is a psychological condition, not physiological.

Honey, stop reaching. 1) Everything is physiological. Every psychological condition has physiological underpinnings. 2) this study sheds no light on whether homosexuality is genetic or not. Those homophobic straight men could have inherited those homosexual leanings except that they try to actively suppress them through homophobia. In fact, it seems to suggest that homosexuality is quite innate to one's personality, and thus more likely to be genetic.

Even though I think this article is bullshit: Gay: Born this way? (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/gay-born-this-way-2297039.html)

pov
Jun 15th, 2011, 08:24 PM
Everything is physiological. Every psychological condition has physiological underpinnings.
:haha: Congrats! You have now posted one of the most singularly stupid, twisted, completely backwards and (btw totally incorrect ;)) but hilarious statements written anywhere.

Apoleb
Jun 15th, 2011, 08:26 PM
:haha: Congrats! You have now posted one of the most singularly stupid, twisted, completely backwards and (btw totally incorrect ;)) but hilarious statements written anywhere.

I probably shouldn't deign myself to respond to such a tool like you (with all humility), but this statement has probably more substance than all of your posts combined. :lol: Certainly more than the post above. :tape:

pov
Jun 15th, 2011, 08:31 PM
Doesn't this study prove that homosexuality is not genetic? After all, if it were genetic, then heterosexual men would be aroused by heterosexual porn only, while homosexual men would be aroused by homosexual porn only. Obviously, it is a psychological condition, not physiological.
Not quite. Very few studies prove anything. It can be said to show yet again (assuming it has validity) that actual sexuality is not solely or primarily determined by physiological mechanisms.

égalité
Jun 15th, 2011, 08:40 PM
Doesn't this study prove that homosexuality is not genetic? After all, if it were genetic, then heterosexual men would be aroused by heterosexual porn only, while homosexual men would be aroused by homosexual porn only. Obviously, it is a psychological condition, not physiological.

Holy shit, why do you care what causes homosexuality? :banghead: It's fucking creepy. Also, I take it you're not in a scientific or mathematical field, because if you think this constitutes proof, you should choose a difference field.

But regardless of what this study suggests, the conclusion you're drawing from it is complete nonsensical drivel. The results probably suggest that many homophobic men choose to act straight straight because they're hiding the fact that they were born gay.

pov
Jun 15th, 2011, 09:02 PM
I probably shouldn't deign myself to respond to such a tool like you (with all humility), but this statement has probably more substance than all of your posts combined. :lol: Certainly more than the post above. :tape:
You're right, you probably shouldn't do that to yourself. So just don't. Especially as your supposed comeback is just a HS-ish attempt at insult. The statement you made about psychological conditions was ridiculous (yeah I know there is a parcel of head-in-the-sand "scholars" who claim something similar) and backing it up means that you are further enhancing that you have no clue what you're talking about as far as this goes. You likely are on point about some things but this isn't one of them. Side comments won't change that.

pov
Jun 15th, 2011, 09:07 PM
But regardless of what this study suggests, the conclusion you're drawing from it is complete nonsensical drivel. The results probably suggest that many homophobic men choose to act straight straight because they're hiding the fact that they were born gay.
:lol: His conclusion was incorrect and so is the assertion you make. You're invoking a circular assumptive argument which is could be even more of a leap than what you're attempting to refute.

miffedmax
Jun 15th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Holy shit, why do you care what causes homosexuality? :banghead: It's fucking creepy. Also, I take it you're not in a scientific or mathematical field, because if you think this constitutes proof, you should choose a difference field.

But regardless of what this study suggests, the conclusion you're drawing from it is complete nonsensical drivel. The results probably suggest that many homophobic men choose to act straight straight because they're hiding the fact that they were born gay.

It's almost like you're using logic or something.

I can't tell you how many of the guys who were the most vicious, hyper-macho assholes to my brother while he was in high school are now neighbors of his in fucking CHELSEA, or have run into him when he visits his old hometown in Oak Lawn (which is pretty much the Dallas version of Chelsea).

There's been a lot of kissing and making up, some of it literal, from what I gather.

Apoleb
Jun 15th, 2011, 09:09 PM
You're right, you probably shouldn't do that to yourself. So just don't. Especially as your supposed comeback is just a HS-ish attempt at insult. The statement you made about psychological conditions was ridiculous (yeah I know there is a parcel of head-in-the-sand "scholars" who claim something similar) and backing it up means that you are further enhancing that you have no clue what you're talking about as far as this goes. You likely are on point about some things but this isn't one of them. Side comments won't change that.

Comeback to what, you tool? There's nothing worth to come back at. You clearly have nothing to say except using emoticons and saying it's wrong, and in the process wasting bandwith and everyone's time. And no, even if you do, I probably won't bite.

I'll just wager to guess that your knowledge about neuroscience, psychology, philosophy of mind, dualism/monism is as limited as your posts suggest. In other words, get lost.

égalité
Jun 15th, 2011, 09:24 PM
:lol: His conclusion was incorrect and so is the assertion you make. You're invoking a circular assumptive argument which is could be even more of a leap than what you're attempting to refute.

Please elaborate :D I'm curious what about my statement was circular.

All I'm saying is that the following two pieces of information:

1. Man identifies as straight
2. Man is aroused by gay porn.

suggest that Man is a closet homosexual. What's circular about that reasoning, exactly? Where am I assuming my conclusion?

égalité
Jun 15th, 2011, 11:55 PM
The homophobic men were aroused by both heterosexual and homosexual porn. Here is the researcher's data of arousal ratings.

Arousal Ratings
Group, Number of Participants, Heterosexual Video, Lesbian Video, Male homosexual Video
Homophobic, 35, .91, .95, .90
Nonhomophobic, 29, .93, .94, .78

And what's the one thing that both heterosexual and homosexual porn have in common? Penis. :spit:

Wigglytuff
Jun 16th, 2011, 02:29 AM
SO basically pov likes gay porn. Interesting. :oh:

Basically. And in another, rain is wet news story, pov has little to no common sense.

Wigglytuff
Jun 16th, 2011, 02:31 AM
Holy shit, why do you care what causes homosexuality? :banghead: It's fucking creepy. Also, I take it you're not in a scientific or mathematical field, because if you think this constitutes proof, you should choose a difference field.

But regardless of what this study suggests, the conclusion you're drawing from it is complete nonsensical drivel. The results probably suggest that many homophobic men choose to act straight straight because they're hiding the fact that they were born gay.

And there is the point.

Pump-it-UP
Jun 16th, 2011, 03:05 AM
Holy shit, why do you care what causes homosexuality? :banghead: It's fucking creepy. Also, I take it you're not in a scientific or mathematical field, because if you think this constitutes proof, you should choose a difference field.

But regardless of what this study suggests, the conclusion you're drawing from it is complete nonsensical drivel. The results probably suggest that many homophobic men choose to act straight straight because they're hiding the fact that they were born gay.

:bowdown:

Dominic
Jun 16th, 2011, 03:34 AM
Oh this thread is interesting, I don't understand though why some posters don't seem to get the conclusion of the study. I mean it's like 1 + 1 equals 2, it doesnt even need to be said.

So Disrespectful
Jun 16th, 2011, 04:40 AM
My father is a rampant homophobe, and although he's got a little better, he still never stands up for gays even knowing both of his children are homosexual. My theory based on that and a few other things is that he's a repressed bisexual, hence him believing homosexuals 'choose' to be gay. And I believe that underpins the point of this study too.

These homophobic men are so scared of their own homosexual tendencies that they denounce the men who are strong enough to acknowledge and embrace theirs.

SV_Fan
Jun 16th, 2011, 04:57 AM
Wait, so do I have feelings for a homophobic male..?

bulava
Jun 16th, 2011, 04:21 PM
Oh this thread is interesting, I don't understand though why some posters don't seem to get the conclusion of the study. I mean it's like 1 + 1 equals 2, it doesnt even need to be said.
I always believe that 1+1 = 1 then how comes it could be 2. Now am confused :confused:

Dominic
Jun 16th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Wait, so do I have feelings for a homophobic male..?

HUH?

miffedmax
Jun 16th, 2011, 08:14 PM
My father is a rampant homophobe, and although he's got a little better, he still never stands up for gays even knowing both of his children are homosexual. My theory based on that and a few other things is that he's a repressed bisexual, hence him believing homosexuals 'choose' to be gay. And I believe that underpins the point of this study too.

These homophobic men are so scared of their own homosexual tendencies that they denounce the men who are strong enough to acknowledge and embrace theirs.

The people having a hard time grasping the obvious implications of this study also probably believe that one might choose to hang curtains nude, lose one's balance and have an unfortunate encounter with a tuberous vegetable.

So Disrespectful
Jun 17th, 2011, 02:39 AM
The people having a hard time grasping the obvious implications of this study also probably believe that one might choose to hang curtains nude, lose one's balance and have an unfortunate encounter with a tuberous vegetable.

:haha:

Dominic
Jun 17th, 2011, 03:46 AM
The people having a hard time grasping the obvious implications of this study also probably believe that one might choose to hang curtains nude, lose one's balance and have an unfortunate encounter with a tuberous vegetable.

OMG that turned me on :hearts:

Darop.
Jun 17th, 2011, 11:48 AM
Meh, never really believed that homophobes are repressed gays. Sure, maybe some are, but I think it's ridiculous to generalize so broadly.

The people having a hard time grasping the obvious implications of this study also probably believe that one might choose to hang curtains nude, lose one's balance and have an unfortunate encounter with a tuberous vegetable.


:lol:

Helen Lawson
Jun 18th, 2011, 05:28 AM
Helen was in Amsterdam recently with a bunch of her fag friends. Naturally, we ended up at a sex store, where else? Anyway, I got some hot XXX fag rags, so luckily I am not stopped by Customs (winning an Oscar had its advantages). So I open one of them after I get home and WTF, a free porno DVD inside. Don't you love those Europeans? It's some weird tattoo fetish video. Helen gates tats, but trouper she is, I watched the whole DVD. Hot!!!! Great porn. You never know what will end up turning you on.

And catch this, they had a 3-D hardcover "art" book of naked men. I thought it was blurry and ridiculous, until I put the glasses on. It's like live nude men you can touch, totally amazing!! 30 Euros, a bargain at double the price. Great party book.

You have to love Amsterdam.

duhcity
Jun 18th, 2011, 05:39 AM
Sorry guys, I guess I'm homophobic.

miffedmax
Jun 18th, 2011, 02:09 PM
Helen was in Amsterdam recently with a bunch of her fag friends. Naturally, we ended up at a sex store, where else? Anyway, I got some hot XXX fag rags, so luckily I am not stopped by Customs (winning an Oscar had its advantages). So I open one of them after I get home and WTF, a free porno DVD inside. Don't you love those Europeans? It's some weird tattoo fetish video. Helen gates tats, but trouper she is, I watched the whole DVD. Hot!!!! Great porn. You never know what will end up turning you on.

And catch this, they had a 3-D hardcover "art" book of naked men. I thought it was blurry and ridiculous, until I put the glasses on. It's like live nude men you can touch, totally amazing!! 30 Euros, a bargain at double the price. Great party book.

You have to love Amsterdam.

Oh, Helen, how did they skip over you in Hollywood Babylon?

Dominic
Jun 18th, 2011, 04:45 PM
Sorry guys, I guess I'm homophobic.

what why?

duhcity
Jun 18th, 2011, 08:23 PM
what why?

Was a joke. Didn't go over too well, I guess. Being that I think I'm most aroused by gay porn
:angel:

LoveFifteen
Jun 18th, 2011, 10:32 PM
Guuurl, I have known this for a long time ... the most spectacular, aggressive tops who thrust hardest are all homophobes!!! :hearts: :drool:

Helen Lawson
Jun 18th, 2011, 11:32 PM
Oh, Helen, how did they skip over you in Hollywood Babylon?

Covering my tracks, hon!