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Navratil
Mar 24th, 2011, 07:54 AM
In abscence of the Williams-Sisters Bethanie Mattek-Sands is by far the best American player on the WTA-tour.
Let's face it: There is no one to step in the footprints of Venus or Serena.
The time of handsful of American top-players are gone. No Capriatia, Davenport, Seles, Navratilova & Co.
What will American Women's tennis be like once the Williams-Sisters are retired?
This could be the end of a great tennis nation and on the ATP-tour it's not much better.

The same happend in Germany after Graf, Becker, Stich & Huber. And once the public interest is gone, you don't get young people to tennis anymore.
Tennis used to be a top sport like soccer in the late 80-ties in Germany and now? The clubs are dieing, the big tournemants are all history, there is absolutly no German player of public intereset.

Will it be the same in the US? Is it already that way?

US-top-players (behind the Williams-Sisters):

43 43 Mattek-sands, Bethanie 23/03/85 USA 1334 18
75 84 Oudin, Melanie 23/09/91 USA 863 26
82 78 Lepchenko, Varvara 21/05/86 USA 832 25
90 92 Vandeweghe, Coco 06/12/91 USA 765 22
98 112 Mchale, Christina 11/05/92 USA 686 24
109 100 King, Vania 03/02/89 USA 629 22
112 98 Craybas, Jill 04/07/74 USA 613 32
119 114 Riske, Alison 03/07/90 USA 583 30
127 129 Hampton, Jamie 08/01/90 USA 528 22
131 137 Falconi, Irina 04/05/90 USA 500 19
154 170 Brengle, Madison 03/04/90 USA 394 29
158 161 Cohen, Julia 23/03/89 USA 382 37
183 183 Albanese, Lauren 01/10/89 USA 324 29
186 187 Lee-waters, Lindsay 28/06/77 USA 319 23
192 182 Stephens, Sloane 20/03/93 USA 303 16
223 226 Glatch, Alexa 10/09/89 USA 247 18
230 233 Capra, Beatrice 06/04/92 USA 236 13
243 243 Rolle, Ahsha 21/03/85 USA 221 19
252 232 Perry, Shenay 06/07/84 USA 207 10
263 264 Stevenson, Alexandra 21/12/80 USA 199 27
267 268 Weinhold, Ashley 20/06/89 USA 198 16
276 271 Ditty, Julie 04/01/79 USA 189 25

Navratil
Mar 24th, 2011, 07:56 AM
... by the way: Why doesn't the WTA correct the wrong spellings? Mattek-sands, Lee-waters, ... ? It's wrong for a year! Painful bug ;)

Njalle
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:37 AM
You can always claim that Sharapova is Murrikan.

ampers&
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:51 AM
In abscence of the Williams-Sisters, Bethanie Mattek-Sands is by far the best American player on the WTA-tour.
http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/boomermel/Gifs/2dtk5tjpg.gif

RIP American Tennis. :sad:

Mistress of Evil
Mar 24th, 2011, 08:53 AM
... sucks. ;)

Sp!ffy
Mar 24th, 2011, 09:02 AM
I thought Deja Kithcener was the real deal?

shoparound
Mar 24th, 2011, 09:46 AM
What's discouraging is that a lot of them seem to be regressing. What happened to Shenay? Granville?
They seem to be going on a good direction than suddenly halt and go downhill

Mackep83
Mar 24th, 2011, 10:01 AM
Why should that be a problem? I rather watch Mattek-Sands than Williams sisters. I liked watching Söderlings matches even when he was lower ranked. People who lose their interest in a sport because their own players are outside top40 are pathetic, they are no tennisfans and who cares about them.

Navratil
Mar 24th, 2011, 10:03 AM
What's discouraging is that a lot of them seem to be regressing. What happened to Shenay? Granville?
They seem to be going on a good direction than suddenly halt and go downhill

The girls are spoiled! There's not need for hard work!

Same in Germany. These tennis kids get everything in a very young age and they prefer enjoying a cool life than working hard because they don't have to worry about anything. They've got sponsors, the USTA, parents ...

Better a be a happy world # 50 than a hard working top ten player :D

That's why there are so many players from poorer countries because they know what they are working for!

Navratil
Mar 24th, 2011, 10:05 AM
Why should that be a problem? I rather watch Mattek-Sands than Williams sisters. I liked watching Söderlings matches even when he was lower ranked. People who lose their interest in a sport because their own players are outside top40 are pathetic, they are no tennisfans and who cares about them.

Agree! But most people - especially in the US - are more patriotic and they prefer watching a bad compatriot than two foreigners from the top ten. For whatever reason :D

Mackep83
Mar 24th, 2011, 10:27 AM
Agree! But most people - especially in the US - are more patriotic and they prefer watching a bad compatriot than two foreigners from the top ten. For whatever reason :D

Yes, thats why US tennis dont need Williams at all ;)

Shonami Slam
Mar 24th, 2011, 10:35 AM
tennis stopped being an western euro-american sport quite some time ago, you're abit late.

Olórin
Mar 24th, 2011, 10:55 AM
tennis stopped being an western euro-american sport quite some time ago, you're abit late.

Well, let's not go down the global sport route...because we've all seen the crowds in the Middle and Far East.

No, let's not get things muddled here - tennis needs the US, and the US (one would think) needs some star players to give tennis profile.

DownInAHole
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:07 AM
I think that there is one huge difference between the U.S. and Germany and that's the U.S. Open. American tennis on both sides does seem to be in decline but surely the presence of a Grand Slam in the U.S. will be enough to motivate some of the youngsters to pick up a tennis racket. American tennis may be entering a dark age but I think they will bounce back.

Shonami Slam
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:27 AM
Well, let's not go down the global sport route...because we've all seen the crowds in the Middle and Far East.

No, let's not get things muddled here - tennis needs the US, and the US (one would think) needs some star players to give tennis profile.

i was referring much more to the former ussr block, to be honest, but the asian players are getting higher in numbers (and notable names) too.

accomplished players and large crowds aren't directly connected.
the sport will be fine without any american standouts as long as there are other stars out there.
want a good example? watch cross country, biathlon, ski slaloms.
the US have athletes in each of these sports - but the masses are there for others.
same goes for many other sports - and in the mini-world of raquet sports - badmington, table tennis, squash - there is enough international intrest.

sure - maybe the days of the largest tournaments will eventually finish and we'll see the tour lessen prize money etc, but if the athletes are good - i really don't mind.
as a tennis fan i have my interests in the grand slams, the premiers as well as the 10K futures and the junior circuit.

Olórin
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:51 AM
i was referring much more to the former ussr block, to be honest, but the asian players are getting higher in numbers (and notable names) too.

accomplished players and large crowds aren't directly connected.
the sport will be fine without any american standouts as long as there are other stars out there.
want a good example? watch cross country, biathlon, ski slaloms.
the US have athletes in each of these sports - but the masses are there for others.
same goes for many other sports - and in the mini-world of raquet sports - badmington, table tennis, squash - there is enough international intrest.

sure - maybe the days of the largest tournaments will eventually finish and we'll see the tour lessen prize money etc, but if the athletes are good - i really don't mind.
as a tennis fan i have my interests in the grand slams, the premiers as well as the 10K futures and the junior circuit.

I can't because they're never on TV :shrug:
I think the problem is that tennis is on the wane in America and there is barely enough international interest to make up for that. I have no problem with tennis going global if there was the market but a) I'm not sure there is, athough b) I agree a big international star like a female Federer or Nadal would still keep up interest in the US, and obviously in other Western countries - but we haven't seen the next Steffi Graf or Maria Sharapova arise...

fawnrc
Mar 24th, 2011, 12:23 PM
i was referring much more to the former ussr block, to be honest, but the asian players are getting higher in numbers (and notable names) too.

accomplished players and large crowds aren't directly connected.
the sport will be fine without any american standouts as long as there are other stars out there.
want a good example? watch cross country, biathlon, ski slaloms.
the US have athletes in each of these sports - but the masses are there for others.
same goes for many other sports - and in the mini-world of raquet sports - badmington, table tennis, squash - there is enough international intrest.

sure - maybe the days of the largest tournaments will eventually finish and we'll see the tour lessen prize money etc, but if the athletes are good - i really don't mind.
as a tennis fan i have my interests in the grand slams, the premiers as well as the 10K futures and the junior circuit.

What actually happens is that you will no longer be able to see many of the matches that you are able to see now (via tv or internet), because there will be no coverage for tennis. If they can't make money with advertisers (small audience) tennis will not be covered.

bandabou
Mar 24th, 2011, 12:27 PM
Good for the Americans...they never embrased nor valued the WS anyways. So now they can go enjoy their Mattek-Sands et al. It's good.

Vlover
Mar 24th, 2011, 12:59 PM
Good for the Americans...they never embrased nor valued the WS anyways. So now they can go enjoy their Mattek-Sands et al. It's good.
Hey, who dare you not to have courage and believe in Oudin?:devil:

bandabou
Mar 24th, 2011, 02:21 PM
Hey, who dare you not to have courage and believe in Oudin?:devil:

Now that's a world beater! ;)

Halepsova
Mar 24th, 2011, 02:35 PM
Without the sisters, US Fed Cup team will have to play in a zonal group against Puerto Rico, Cuba and Bahamas. :tape:

Halepsova
Mar 24th, 2011, 02:37 PM
But seriously, I do hope someone steps up. I have no believe in Oudin anymore. She's a joke.

duhcity
Mar 24th, 2011, 02:45 PM
Without the sisters, US Fed Cup team will have to play in a zonal group against Puerto Rico, Cuba and Bahamas. :tape:

I do hope you get your ass to the Fed Cup site and look up past US Fed Cup ties, especially the last two years.

Serenita
Mar 24th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Good for the Americans...they never embrased nor valued the WS anyways. So now they can go enjoy their Mattek-Sands et al. It's good.
This
Hopefully a long sustained drouth. Maybe then when they do get some champions down the road they can show some appreciation.

Vikapower
Mar 24th, 2011, 03:30 PM
The foundations of US tennis are just completely falling apart... but it's a very big country and I doubt tennis is a national concern as long as baseball, basketball and football keeps generating plenty of interest...

ROFL !! Let's not compare to Germany... they'll never have another Steffi but there are plenty of little talents and potential greats like Julia, Andrea and Sabine who are not that very far in terms of confirmation on the highest levels...

Coco Vandeweghe needs much more better support because she'll be the next it-thing in a couple of months or years... she's very young and has plenty of potential and talent.

ptkten
Mar 24th, 2011, 04:56 PM
U.S. women's tennis is clearly in bad shape but I have a little more optimism now than I did a year ago at this point. McHale, Vandeweghe, Stephens, and Oudin have all shown varying degrees of promise and will likely all be consistent top 50-100 players for several years. That's a lot better than the previous couple of years when our top players from the age group were people like Brengle and Albanese. Plus, on the men's side you have Ryan Harrison who is looking more and more like a real threat which can only encourage growth in tennis overall.

The thing that confuses me is that women's tennis provides the greatest financial opportunites for female athletes in the United States. I don't understand why parents have their girls play basketball or softball or lacrosse or even soccer when there are almost no chances to make money in those sports. Yet our top athletes continue to compete in those sports.

C. W. Fields
Mar 24th, 2011, 05:35 PM
The thing that confuses me is that women's tennis provides the greatest financial opportunites for female athletes in the United States. I don't understand why parents have their girls play basketball or softball or lacrosse or even soccer when there are almost no chances to make money in those sports. Yet our top athletes continue to compete in those sports.

Because they're team sports while tennis (according to Agassi) is the loneliest sport in the world?

QuietPlease
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:11 PM
43 43 Mattek-sands, Bethanie 23/03/85 USA 1334 18
75 84 Oudin, Melanie 23/09/91 USA 863 26
82 78 Lepchenko, Varvara 21/05/86 USA 832 25
90 92 Vandeweghe, Coco 06/12/91 USA 765 22
98 112 Mchale, Christina 11/05/92 USA 686 24
109 100 King, Vania 03/02/89 USA 629 22
112 98 Craybas, Jill 04/07/74 USA 613 32
119 114 Riske, Alison 03/07/90 USA 583 30
127 129 Hampton, Jamie 08/01/90 USA 528 22
131 137 Falconi, Irina 04/05/90 USA 500 19
154 170 Brengle, Madison 03/04/90 USA 394 29
158 161 Cohen, Julia 23/03/89 USA 382 37
183 183 Albanese, Lauren 01/10/89 USA 324 29
186 187 Lee-waters, Lindsay 28/06/77 USA 319 23
192 182 Stephens, Sloane 20/03/93 USA 303 16
223 226 Glatch, Alexa 10/09/89 USA 247 18
230 233 Capra, Beatrice 06/04/92 USA 236 13
243 243 Rolle, Ahsha 21/03/85 USA 221 19
252 232 Perry, Shenay 06/07/84 USA 207 10
263 264 Stevenson, Alexandra 21/12/80 USA 199 27
267 268 Weinhold, Ashley 20/06/89 USA 198 16
276 271 Ditty, Julie 04/01/79 USA 189 25

2nd round of Key Biscayne isn't over yet and Lep is the only American left in the draw (besides Masha) :shrug:

Slammer7
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:30 PM
I do hope you get your ass to the Fed Cup site and look up past US Fed Cup ties, especially the last two years.

I think what he means is that the U.S team if the Williams (Venus) are not able to play in the next tie against Germany next month the U.S squad will be in Zonal Qualifying next year. :shrug: Which they will be if they lose.


Oh and Shenay Perry retired last year. Bad knees. :sad:

ce
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:35 PM
USA doesnt deserve WS

darrinbaker00
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:43 PM
The thing that confuses me is that women's tennis provides the greatest financial opportunites for female athletes in the United States. I don't understand why parents have their girls play basketball or softball or lacrosse or even soccer when there are almost no chances to make money in those sports. Yet our top athletes continue to compete in those sports.

Women's college basketball teams have 15 full-ride scholarship athletes. Women's college softball, lacrosse and soccer have 18-20 full-ride scholarship athletes. Most women's college teams have less than 10 full-ride scholarship athletes. You do the math.

Infiniti2001
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:48 PM
USA doesnt deserve WS

this

Vlover
Mar 24th, 2011, 11:55 PM
Now that's a world beater! ;)
For sure, then I can always cheer for the opponent, ahhh, ahmm, I mean the "underdog"!:hehehe:

shoparound
Mar 25th, 2011, 12:04 AM
The girls are spoiled! There's not need for hard work!

Same in Germany. These tennis kids get everything in a very young age and they prefer enjoying a cool life than working hard because they don't have to worry about anything. They've got sponsors, the USTA, parents ...

Better a be a happy world # 50 than a hard working top ten player :D

That's why there are so many players from poorer countries because they know what they are working for!

Good point there... If the kids are happy, the coaches are happy with the money they're getting paid and the parents are happy why bother trying to get better nowadays?

Le Tenisse
Mar 25th, 2011, 02:27 AM
What will American Women's tennis be like once the Williams-Sisters are retired?


Probably the same that on men´s after The Sampras-Agassi-Chang-Courier era :shrug: But with the exception that Oudin doesn´t seem to be a women´s version of Roddick. To be fair, no one does. But this is no shocker. I think USTA didn´t prepare their players enough for the clay, and besides today world tennis doesn´t depend on US courts as much as before. Plus, US players, apart from the obvious, both men and women, haven´t been succesful outside their zone as in other times. Even players like Raymond, Craybas,Chanda or Frazier starting to disappear for the US. And the looong lists of former juniors that supposed to fill in those spots, didn´t. Eastern europeans still are rocking, spaniards never left really their place and germans and french come and go. But US girls really aren´t a tour de force anymore.

AnomyBC
Mar 25th, 2011, 03:05 AM
Oh well. At least we still have Sharapova and Azarenka :)

Also, I think McHale has some potential maybe...??? And don't forget that Vania King is already a 2-time Grand Slam winner :worship:

Bonfire
Mar 25th, 2011, 03:13 AM
I think McHale has potential. And Oudin could surprise us in the future...stranger things have happened. And what about Sloane Stephens? I haven't seen her play yet so I have no clue but she is young enough to possibly develop into a better player.

shoparound
Mar 25th, 2011, 03:19 AM
I guess it will be like what happened to US Diving and US Women's Figure Skating once their star athletes moved on.

lewis_davies
Mar 25th, 2011, 03:28 AM
I think that there is one huge difference between the U.S. and Germany and that's the U.S. Open. American tennis on both sides does seem to be in decline but surely the presence of a Grand Slam in the U.S. will be enough to motivate some of the youngsters to pick up a tennis racket. American tennis may be entering a dark age but I think they will bounce back.

Surely just looking at the sheer amount of US players out there, either in place or coming through, shows it's still popular in America too. They've got too big a legacy for it to die out there.

UnforcedError
Mar 25th, 2011, 04:05 AM
Incredible talent will emerge out of nowhere.

FormerlyKnownAs
Mar 25th, 2011, 07:03 AM
Williams who?

Navratil
Mar 25th, 2011, 07:37 AM
Oudin looked like the next big thing the way she played at the US Open two years ago. But struggled since then. I doubt she will ever be Top 40.

Vandeweghe showed some potential. But the same: Nothing more than Top 50 or Top 40.

And these players can't fascinate a whole country for watching tennis :D

Navratil
Mar 25th, 2011, 07:39 AM
And these are the most successful US players this season (1st quarter):

35 Mattek-sands, Bethanie USA 456 5
62 Oudin, Melanie USA 255 8
68 Falconi, Irina USA 235 8
85 Vandeweghe, Coco USA 184 7
93 Williams, Venus USA 160 3
100 Lepchenko, Varvara USA 148 7
103 Brengle, Madison USA 143 7
110 Mchale, Christina USA 134 8
112 Hampton, Jamie USA 133 7
114 King, Vania USA 131 6
121 Cohen, Julia USA 122 11
133 Glatch, Alexa USA 109 5
147 Stephens, Sloane USA 94 6
159 Weinhold, Ashley USA 86 4
164 Albanese, Lauren USA 83 7
167 Stevenson, Alexandra USA 82 5
172 Brodsky, Gail USA 77 8
212 Rolle, Ahsha USA 58 4
216 Craybas, Jill USA 57 8
219 Scholl, Chichi USA 56 10
247 Riske, Alison USA 46 7
249 Pegula, Jessica USA 45 3
275 Fink, Amanda USA 37 5
283 Hardebeck, Krista USA 35 3
290 Elie, Jennifer USA 32 6
342 Keys, Madison USA 22 3
349 Lee-waters, Lindsay USA 21 3
355 Ditty, Julie USA 20 6

Navratil
Mar 25th, 2011, 07:40 AM
The best in US Women's tennis is actually Liezel Huber - at least current # 3 in doubles plus 2 more top-ten players in doubles (King & Raymond).

But with Huber & Raymond it's the same with the Williams in singles: Only a matter of time that they retire...

Londoner
Mar 25th, 2011, 09:37 AM
Well, let's not go down the global sport route...because we've all seen the crowds in the Middle and Far East.

No, let's not get things muddled here - tennis needs the US, and the US (one would think) needs some star players to give tennis profile.

I actually agree with this. If the US loses interest in the sport it is in trouble. The Middle East is NOT the sport's saviour for many reasons. Sport, cinema, music, politics, literature all need 'stars'. No 'stars' no interest. No interest, no funding, sponsors, tournaments.

I just find it so hard to fathom why a country which produced the likes of King, Evert, and all the lower ranked players of their time cannot produce 'newer' contenders. It can't be funding or facilities. I wonder if it's like the UK, the culture now is for instant success with kids expecting immediate results rather than the culture of hard work which builds to success. That and the culture of laziness and lethargy? Look what young kids do now - Nintendo, Wii, X Box, Facebook etc. As Betty White said: in her day there wasn't Facebook, just the phone book but she wouldn't have wasted an afternoon going through it!

Londoner
Mar 25th, 2011, 09:38 AM
Incredible talent will emerge out of nowhere.

Aah, the old adage of 'talent will out'! :lol:

QuietPlease
Mar 25th, 2011, 12:12 PM
Coach thinks Stephens could be answer for U.S.
Ticker - Wednesday, March 23, 2011

Former USTA national coach Nick Saviano, who now works with alongside Roger Smith with 18-year-old Sloane Stephens, thinks she could be the next great American player. "Take your pick on weapons,'' Saviano told the Sun Sentinel. "She's got a big serve, is an outstanding striker of the ball and is arguably already one of the best athletes on the tour. Without question she has [the hunger]… I think she's going to wind up being one of the great American players of the next generation.''—Matthew Cronin

http://tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=11172&zoneid=25

UnforcedError
Mar 25th, 2011, 01:10 PM
Aah, the old adage of 'talent will out'! :lol:

Yes i'm quite optimistic given the rather large demographic in question.:cool: I would be much more concerned about the future of Belgian tennis after Henin and Clijsters.

Lapaco
Mar 25th, 2011, 01:24 PM
Yes i'm quite optimistic given the rather large demographic in question.:cool: I would be much more concerned about the future of Belgian tennis after Henin and Clijsters.

why? they have wickmayer who may be mediocre, but is still better than any american scrub. and they have a junior grand slam winner.
in addition to that, belgium is a small country and henin and clijsters have always been seen as an anomaly,so noboy is stupid enough to expect another henin soon. on the other hand, usa :lol:

Mackep83
Mar 25th, 2011, 02:09 PM
US tennis (WTA) just need someone in top 100 who can entertain the public. No one cares if a player can hit 20 aces in a match and win 20 slams (Serena) if she doesent entertain. US need a female Marcello Rios

Le Tenisse
Mar 25th, 2011, 03:57 PM
wickmayer is still better than any american scrub

This

StephenUK
Mar 25th, 2011, 05:05 PM
In abscence of the Williams-Sisters Bethanie Mattek-Sands is by far the best American player on the WTA-tour.
Let's face it: There is no one to step in the footprints of Venus or Serena.
The time of handsful of American top-players are gone. No Capriatia, Davenport, Seles, Navratilova & Co.
What will American Women's tennis be like once the Williams-Sisters are retired?
This could be the end of a great tennis nation and on the ATP-tour it's not much better.

The same happend in Germany after Graf, Becker, Stich & Huber. And once the public interest is gone, you don't get young people to tennis anymore.
Tennis used to be a top sport like soccer in the late 80-ties in Germany and now? The clubs are dieing, the big tournemants are all history, there is absolutly no German player of public intereset.

Will it be the same in the US? Is it already that way?


US-top-players (behind the Williams-Sisters):

43 43 Mattek-sands, Bethanie 23/03/85 USA 1334 18
75 84 Oudin, Melanie 23/09/91 USA 863 26
82 78 Lepchenko, Varvara 21/05/86 USA 832 25
90 92 Vandeweghe, Coco 06/12/91 USA 765 22
98 112 Mchale, Christina 11/05/92 USA 686 24
109 100 King, Vania 03/02/89 USA 629 22
112 98 Craybas, Jill 04/07/74 USA 613 32
119 114 Riske, Alison 03/07/90 USA 583 30
127 129 Hampton, Jamie 08/01/90 USA 528 22
131 137 Falconi, Irina 04/05/90 USA 500 19
154 170 Brengle, Madison 03/04/90 USA 394 29
158 161 Cohen, Julia 23/03/89 USA 382 37
183 183 Albanese, Lauren 01/10/89 USA 324 29
186 187 Lee-waters, Lindsay 28/06/77 USA 319 23
192 182 Stephens, Sloane 20/03/93 USA 303 16
223 226 Glatch, Alexa 10/09/89 USA 247 18
230 233 Capra, Beatrice 06/04/92 USA 236 13
243 243 Rolle, Ahsha 21/03/85 USA 221 19
252 232 Perry, Shenay 06/07/84 USA 207 10
263 264 Stevenson, Alexandra 21/12/80 USA 199 27
267 268 Weinhold, Ashley 20/06/89 USA 198 16
276 271 Ditty, Julie 04/01/79 USA 189 25

But the decline is so much starker when you realise that more than half of the top 100 used to be American in the 70s and early 80s. The good news for the US is that quite a lot of the players listed above are born from 1990 onwards so it seems that the US has more than its share of the new wave of players. But there is bound to be a hiatus for a while, because these days, it seems to take an age for young players to establish themselves in the top 100, I think McHale is the only 1992 vintage player to have managed it so far.

pov
Mar 25th, 2011, 06:28 PM
American men have been doing great for a while and there has been no significant downturn in people in the USA who enjoy the ATP. And there are still younger players coming up. At the same time, for the very casual fans it helps to have stars. More importantly - for media coverage it helps to have a star.

chloe-l
Mar 25th, 2011, 06:47 PM
why? they have wickmayer who may be mediocre, but is still better than any american scrub. and they have a junior grand slam winner.
in addition to that, belgium is a small country and henin and clijsters have always been seen as an anomaly,so noboy is stupid enough to expect another henin soon. on the other hand, usa :lol:

THIS. :cool:

Le Tenisse
Mar 25th, 2011, 07:01 PM
American men have been doing great for a while

Men? try "man" as in Andy alone. Isner, Querrey and Fish still are way far to even reach a glimpse of what Roddick has achieved. But, on men´s is more acceptable, the competition there is a lot more tougher than in women´s.

Slammer7
Mar 25th, 2011, 10:06 PM
US tennis (WTA) just need someone in top 100 who can entertain the public. No one cares if a player can hit 20 aces in a match and win 20 slams (Serena) if she doesent entertain. US need a female Marcello Rios

Are you serious? :confused: The U.S will not be satisfied with "someone in the top 100" First of all a "top 100" player will not be featured on television which pays the freight and were fans are made, so no that will not "entertain the public" because the public won't see that player. Also if a player is just top 100 they either lose in the first round or maybe occasionally win a match, the U.S tennis watching public after years of King, Evert, Navratilova, Seles, Davenport, Williams, Williams and Capriati will not be satisfied with some supposedly entertaining perennial first round exiter. The Williams may have there detractors, but overall they are immensely popular, ratings booster and commercially successful, so a mere top 100 player will not be a suitable replacement for an era where 4 of the top 5 and half of the top ten were Americans.

Marcelo Rios was #1 in the world (albeit very briefly) and a top ten player for a decent amount of time, that is not comparable to a top 100 player. Yes Serena can hit 20 aces, so could Lindsay Davenport, that does not mean that Serena isn't entertaining. People tune in to watch her because she is charismatic, entertaining and because she wears her heart on her sleeve. Being entertaining doesn't draw the crowds in on a regular basis though, success does.

Le Tenisse
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:46 AM
the U.S tennis watching public after years of King, Evert, Navratilova, Seles, Davenport, Williams, Williams and Capriati will not be satisfied


You have to realize that this won´t be the case for many years to come. If it already has. Besides there is a reason why we read lines like "the first time in 10 years that a US palyer hasn´t arrived to the second week of a GS". At this point, I wouldn´t be shocked if the US Davis cup Team, after Roddick and Fish retire, had to be relegated to the Group 2.

Le Tenisse
Mar 27th, 2011, 12:51 AM
Same with the ladies.

Navratil
Mar 28th, 2011, 07:06 PM
And the weird thing is that countries like the US or Germany have many foreign players playin under their flags...

Petkovic, Goerges, Lisicki, Kerber, Barrois .... stop - wait! Groenefeld is (real) German :D

Navratil
Mar 28th, 2011, 07:08 PM
But the decline is so much starker when you realise that more than half of the top 100 used to be American in the 70s and early 80s. The good news for the US is that quite a lot of the players listed above are born from 1990 onwards so it seems that the US has more than its share of the new wave of players. But there is bound to be a hiatus for a while, because these days, it seems to take an age for young players to establish themselves in the top 100, I think McHale is the only 1992 vintage player to have managed it so far.

Just a decade ago half of the top ten were from the US with the Williams sisters, Davenport, Capriati, Seles, ...