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Michael!
Dec 25th, 2010, 07:55 PM
What is Tennis Tipping?


In the game, participants pick the winners of all main draw matches and are placed in a knock-out system. That means each participant plays a different participant and whoever predicted the winner of most matches correctly, moves on to the next round. The same applies for doubles, but you're in a team format and your scores are combined.

In case of a tie, new SR/TB rules will decide who moves on to the next round.

Retirements:

In case a player (i.e. the actual WTA Player) retires in a match, the match WILL count in TT, as long as the first point has been played, but they do NOT COUNT for SRs, ISR (giving a set to a winner) or for TB Points decisions but they do count for TBs in which players or teams picked different winners.

If players are replaced by a lucky loser after the start of Tennis Tipping, these matches will be cancelled.

Draw Sizes:

Tournaments should have a draw which has the same size as the real one. Qualifying draws should have room for 16 players in weeks with 4 TT tournaments.
PM and P5 tournaments obviously have bigger draws, specific rules should be decided by the board members.

2-days QF: For tournaments with a 32 Player MD Field and 7 MD days (Monday-Sunday) we will have 2 days of QF.
So if there is a Sunday final, Qualies starts Saturday and MD starts Monday.
If day one has less than four matches in total or no main draw matches, round 1 becomes a 2-day round.

Tournament Managers:

Managers should start their "managing career" with managing challengers
Only high-profiled managers will run slams and bigger tournaments
Managers/User who post the OOP should post a link of the responsible personīs username

Example: All players send picks to Michael! (http://www.tennisforum.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=52665)

Rankings System:

Best of 20. This means that your best 20 results throughout the year will be counted for your ranking. When two or more players have the same number of ranking points, the tie for the ranking position will be decided according to the following priorities:


a) The player with the most total points from all tournaments
b) The player with the fewest number of tournaments
c) The highest number of points from one single tournament, then if needed, the second highest and so on
d) name (for singles; doubles players stay tied)

Wild Cards: Not used in the 2015 season

Determining Lucky Losers: In the end of the final qualifying round, managers should post a list of the losers who had the highest scores in that round (If the score is the same you should use the TB/SR system to order the players). Those are the first players to be called in case someone doesn’t send his/her picks.
Players who had a BYE in 1st round and didnīt send for FQR will be at the end of the LL List only (behind those who sent and lost in 1st q-round)! The order of those in the LL list will be decided by ranking then.

Deadline for Picks: The deadline for accepting picks is the time at which the matches are scheduled to start. NO PICKS will be accepted if they are sent after that point. Managers are allowed to make the deadline earlier if they are not able to post the differences at the time when the play starts. However, all picks which are sent between "manager's deadline" and real start of play have to be counted. When the differences are posted, you can't change your picks anymore.

Example:

Manager sets the deadline to 10am because (s)he needs to post differences earlier but the play (the first match) starts at 11am. All picks received between 10am-11am have to be counted.

If a manager put a "wrong" deadline and play already started before manager deadline is over, then all picks which are sent between the real deadline and the manager deadline will count as well but matches which already started wonīt be counted.
Note that Tournament countback is not always useable in this case.
This rule wonīt affect matches in which both players already sent their picks before the real deadline has passed, in this case all matches will count.
If the start of play is not defined exactly then deadline to send picks should be the time when the first match of the event starts.

Challengers:

Top 30 singles players and top 30 doubles players are now considered to be "late entrants" for all challenger/futures tt tournaments. the order of LE priority which they gain will be dependent on their reverse rankings (ie world #30 has first LE priority, world #1 has last)
Top 30 Late Entries and are not able to be seeded (Qualifying or Main Draw)
If there arenīt enough players in the draw and Top 30 Late Entries have to be seeded then they should be seeded in reversed order.
Players with a Protected Ranking of 30 or better in singles or doubles wonīt be considered as LE if they enter a Challenger tournament with their Protected Ranking.

Protected rankings: If people want a protected ranking, they should post it in protected rankings thread either before, or within 6 months of their lay-off and as long as they don't play TT for a period of 6 months, they are eligible for a protected ranking.
A PR is valid for one year and 8 tournaments (including maximum 2 Grand Slams and 2 premier mandatory tournaments)

Number of commitments: Minimal number of commitments for a tournament to run is 16 players/8 teams.

Fed Cup: Players who play Fed Cup are allowed to play a Challenger or WTA tournament in the same week.

TB/SR Rules:

SR RULE: Every match on the OOP will be a SR match

You CAN’T send a SR in your TB different from the SR you decided to send first. If you send a SR different from your TB (Example: 2-0 6-3 4-6 7-6) that pick will be counted but the SR/TB won’t.

CB/”Looking Forward”: In Case everything is tied after the use of the TB’s use tournament Countback (CB) as a manner of untying things. If, after the use of CB everything is still tied the players will send for R2 of their current tournament AND for the next day's OOP of whichever other tournament is selected.

Where two players play each other and both fail to send picks in singles, then countback is used to split them and determine a winner (except for first round of Q or MD, of course).

If you have a bye at any stage of the tournament, you should still send picks because if you do not, this will go against you in case of countback later on in the tournament.

Number of Events Per Week: One can only play one event per week which includes (giving) walkovers or being replaced by an ALT.

It is not allowed to play another tournament during the same week, after being accepted into the draw of any of the tournaments. That includes withdrawing after the draw is made and not sending picks.
Alternates are allowed to send picks and (in case they don't get in) play another tournament that week.

Sending picks for someone else: Not allowed

Commitments:

Entries will be based on ranking (rankings from two weeks before the start of the tournament)
Tournament thread posted not later than Sunday (two weeks before start of the tournament)
Players have at least 8 days (from Sunday till Sunday) to commit to the tournament and this will be done by ranking.

First entry deadline for Singles is always Sunday 6 pm current time in Europe (CET or CEST).
The day before TT qualifying begins is the 2nd deadline for changes (the exact time is up to the tournament manager) and the draws are made after that.
Doubles players have ca. two weeks (from the Sunday when the thread is opened until the 2nd and final deadline) to commit to the tournament.
There aren’t Late Entries in doubles anymore (except for the Top30 LEs in challengers obviously), everyone who commits after the 2nd deadline for doubles will be considered as ALT.
A single entry post by one of the members of a doubles team is enough to commit the whole team to the doubles competition.
The post of the commitment must be clear and made by one of the player of the team.

Example for Antwerp (Quali starts 7th and MD starts 9th February):

Manager opens thread for Antwerp on Sunday, 25th January
First deadline for Singles: Sunday, 2nd February (6pm CET)
Final deadline for Singles and Deadline for Doubles: Friday, 6th February
Draws will be made straight after the Final Deadline
EL and Seeds will be based on rankings from 26th January

Late Entries: Everyone who commits after the first entry deadline in singles will be considered as Late Entry.
LEs, who commit after the 1st deadline but before draws are made will go to the bottom of the Entry List, behind the Top 30 entries which are automatically counted as LEs as well.
Late entries should be sorted according to the commitment order.
Everyone who commits after the draws are made will be ALTs.

Example for 32 MD:

- for example 26,30 or 34 entries on Sunday after 1st deadline is over
- Manager should fill up to 44 players (28 direct MD entries + 16 QD) with late entrants (if LEs available obviously)
- 45th entry and/or all those who commit after the draws are made will be ALTs

Managers can extend deadline only if there are still spots available in the Main Draw after the second deadline, the first deadline is always Sunday 6 PM CET/CEST!

If I have less than 32 players at the latest possible commitment deadline then highest ranked players on the Entry List will receive a BYE (example: 20 entrants in a 32 draw size 1st round => The 8 seeds + players ranked 9-12 (Top 30 LEs are always at the bottom of that List) get a BYE

Double commitment (player commits to two different tournaments in the same week):

Before the 1st deadline on Sunday, 6pm CET players can commit to one tournament, withdraw from there and commit to another tournament without being a LE.
After the 1st deadline players have 24 hours time to withdraw from events of their choice
If the player is still on two different Entry Lists once the Withdrawal Deadline (Monday, 6pm CET/CEST) is over and the infraction is noticed before the tournaments start, only the first commitment will be valid and no punishment is applied.

If the double commitment is not noticed by anyone before the draws are made, points gained by the player in any of the two tournaments will not be considered and the player will be replaced with ALTs/LLs (only possible if the player didnīt win a round already in that tournament)

Challengers in 2nd week of Grand Slams:

Everyone can commit to a challenger in the 2nd week of a slam but those who are still in the GS draw (singles or doubles) once the final deadline is over will be taken off of the Entry List of that challenger.

Missing Someone's Commitment: In the case that you miss someone's commitment while managing a tournament he/she will be topping the ALT or LL lists.

Commit in someone else: You can't commit in someone else. You can always commit in only yourself in singles and your doubles team. Difference is in doubles where you commit in your team and your partner doesn't have to confirm it.

Alternates/Lucky Losers:

If someone's opponent doesn't send his/her picks, the opponent gets a BYE.
If there's ALT/LL available, then this ALT/LL replaces the opponent who didn't send his/her picks.
LL1/ALT1 replaces opponent of the lowest ranked player in the draw.
LL4/ALT4 ( if there are 4 people on the list, for example) replaces opponent of the highest ranked player in the draw.

Example (with 3 LL):

(1) AdeyC (GBR) vs. LL3
(5) DJDVD (NED) vs. LL2
Adrian. (GER) vs. LL1

Matches where neither send should be replaced first:

ALT#1/LL#1 vs ALT#2/LL#2

LL#1 vs LL#4 and LL#2 vs LL#3 if there are two such matches etc.
And then rest of the LL are placed against the players who did send (but opponents did not)
If more spots than ALTs/LLs available, then place ALTs/LLs in ranking order.
That means that highest ranked players, whose opponent didn't send, get a BYE.

Where there is a 1st round match in which BOTH players/teams do not send picks, the following will happen:

1) 2 LLs or 2 ALTs will replace the players
2) where only 1 LL/ALT is available, that LL replaces one of the players, the No.1 seed's opponent replaces the other player, and the No.1 seed receives a BYE
3) where no LL/ALT is available, the opponents of both the No.1 and No.2 seeds move to that part of the draw and both No.1 and No.2 seeds receive BYES
4) If the No.1 or No.2 seeds didnīt send picks then the opponents of No.3, No.4 or No.5 seeds etc. will move to that part of the draw and No.3/No.4/No.5 seeds will receive a BYE
5) If more matches are in the same circumstances, the opponents of the lower seeded or highest ranked unseeded players will fill in the draw in the appropriate order

Example:

Original Draw (Non Senders in RED)

00:00 | (1) garyyoung/xieergai (CHN/CHN) vs. MikBs/Med.Nico (ITA/SUI)
00:00 | Allez-Alejo/Tuckii (USA/FRA) vs. (3) DJDVD/Freak3yman84 (NED/USA)
00:00 | (2) histery/diego36arg (ROU/ARG) vs. Xiu ZhiFu/Fantasy Hero (CHN/ITA)
00:00 | saarsngg/Ekin (SIN/CHN) vs. (4) Meelis/SodaPop (EST/SIN)

2 ALTs available

2 ALTs replace Allez-Alejo/Tuckii and DJDVD/Freak3yman84
Opponents of 1st seeds and opponents of 2nd seeds move to the other part of the draw where both teams did not send picks and 1st and 2nd seeds will receive a BYE.

New Draw

00:00 | (1) garyyoung/xieergai (CHN/CHN) vs. BYE
00:00 | ALT1 vs. ALT2
00:00 | (2) histery/diego36arg (ROU/ARG) vs. BYE
00:00 | MikBs/Med.Nico (ITA/SUI) vs. Xiu ZhiFu/Fantasy Hero (CHN/ITA)

In Doubles Draws teams already get replaced if one player of a team did not send picks, if there arenīt LLs/ALTs available then the opponents receive a walkover.

Opponents of players/teams who did not send picks will receive a walkover in all 1 Day Round matches (incl. Non-1st round matches)
Teams/Players can only get replaced on a 1st day of a two days 1st round
Teams/Players who did not send picks are allowed to stay in the draw (and still have a chance to win) whenever there is a two days round (in non 1st round matches)

Matches (not 1st round) in which only one player of each team sent picks will be played as one vs. one
In Matches (not 1st round) in which only one of four players sent, the one who send picks will receive a walkover

Sending Picks:

You MUST send picks to the manager in order for them to count. If for some reason you cannot send to the manager, then send to the emergency TT board email address (ttboard@hotmail.co.uk). In this case that you have to send your picks to the emergency email, please aware the manager of the tournament and at least one board member. If you attempt to send picks to the manager and the PM fails, then your picks will count as long as you can provide evidence that the picks were sent in time. If you cannot, then such picks will not count. If you send to your doubles partner, but forget to send to the manager, these picks will NOT count.
Note that sending picks in an incorrect format can lead to point penalties, you can find more information about this on Page 3 of the Rules Thread.
Where a player sends picks to the person who posts the OOP, then even when it is clearly marked who the PM should be sent to, if the player sends his picks to the person who posted the OOP or any other understandable person (eg the regular assistant manager) then picks have to be accepted for play as long as they are forwarded to the rightful recipient (ie the manager) before the deadline for picks to be in (please note that this excludes doubles partners).

Picks canīt be accepted where a player attempts to send picks to the manager but spells the name wrongly in cases where the manager has posted the OOP.

Example:

Michael! posts the OOP and clearly states that picks have to be sent to him.
Chris 84 sends picks to Michael. instead, such picks will NOT be counted.

Michael!
Dec 25th, 2010, 07:59 PM
Round Robin (RR) Events:

Qualifying for YEC:

Highest ranked players/teams determined by a ranking composed by the best 20 results that the players/teams have done throughout the year. Top 8 players and Top 8 teams shall qualify.
The format will be two groups (4 players in each group) for singles and two groups (4 teams in each group) for doubles

Qualifying for WET (WTA Elite Trophy):

12 players (from 9th to 20th place of the 2015 TT race) round robin singles format (four groups of three players, then single-elimination semifinals and final), and 6 double pairs from 9th to 15th place of 2015 TT Race (two groups of three pair, then single-elimination semifinals and final)
YEC ALTs who didnīt get in are obviously allowed to play this event as well

Qualifying for Challenger YEC:

Exact date of the Challenger YEC will be announced during the year, it will probably take place in the week after the WET and will feature the Top 8 challenger players and Top 16 challenger doubles players of the year.
WTA 125 tournaments will count for the Challenger race as well.
Doubles players will qualify as individuals and not as teams. People who play in the YEC or WET are INELIGIBLE for this event.
They can play singles of one and doubles of the other, but not singles in both, etc.
The format will be two groups (4 players in each group) for singles and two groups (4 teams in each group) for doubles.

General Rules of the RR Events:

Qualifiers and ALTs will have to confirm their participation in the respective threads, Commitment deadline will be Sunday, 3pm local time before the event starts.
Tournament managers should inform players about their possible participation as soon as it is sure that they qualified for the event.

The situation with ALTs will remain the same. If you wish to be an ALT for YEC, WET or Challenger YEC then you canīt play in a challenger in the same week.
Maximal number of ALTs for the RR events is 4 (4 ALTs for Singles and 4 ALTs for Doubles)

Players or Teams (one player per team is enough) who fail to send picks during the RR rounds of the tournament will be permanently replaced by alternates.
Players or Teams who got replaced during the RR rounds still have the chance to qualify for the next stage if they scored more points than her RR opponents.
Players or Teams are allowed to stay in the draw when there are no ALTs available and still have a theoretical chance to win the match.

If somebody does not send for the semifinal then they will be replaced by the 3rd/2nd place finisher from their group.
If somebody does not send for the final then they will be replaced by the player/team they defeated in the semifinal.

If doubles partners are drawn to the same singles group then they have to play against each other in the first first round (RR1)

The TB rules remain the same as for the regular tournaments.

The winner and the runner-up of each group will be determined by the following tie-breaker:

1) Greatest number of wins
2) Head-to-head results if only two (2) players are tied
3) If three (3) players are tied, then:
a) Number of correct picks.
b) If (a) produces one (1) superior player (first place), or one (1) inferior player (third place), and the two (2) remaining players are tied, the tie between those two (2) players shall be broken by head-to-head record.
c) Number of correct SRs.
d) Number of correct ISRs



Special Exempts (SEs 2015)

From 2015 on every International tournament will have space for 4 Special Exempts ( 2 for Singles and 2 for Doubles)
Challenger Race Standings from certain periods will determine the holders of the Spots

The SE spot goes over to the next person/team in the ranking if a SE spot isnīt needed by one player/team
All managers of International Tournaments should have space for 2 SEs for Singles and Doubles and owners of a SE have time until 2nd deadline to commit to a tournament
A SE spot will be cleared if it isnīt used once the 2nd deadline of a tournament is over

In case of a tie between players/teams the order will be determined by this:

1. The highest number of points from one single challenger tournament during the period, then if needed, the second highest and so on
2. Number of challengers played during the period
3. Challenger points earned during the year
4. Number of challengers played during the year
5. TT ranking (for Doubles combined ranking)

January (old rule from 2014)

Auckland/Shenzhen

M.P, rvugt, Jose., Idemo
Haimar/HenryMag., Ivanovic_Fan/TazWarrior, Nightcrawl3r/Palin6o, Chilenaitor/Szymon

Hobart

Axel323, ZEUS77
Spencer./Haimar, ZEUS77/ESimp

February

9th Pattaya
16th Rio de Janeiro
23th Acapulco

Challenger Race Standings from 26th January 2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week 1-4) will determine holders of the SE spots
Top 6 in Singles and Top 6 Teams in Doubles get a SE spot for the International tournaments in February
The highest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place first (in this case Pattaya)
The lowest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place last (in this case Acapulco)
The Singles Race ranking will decide about the event, whenever a player qualified for singles and doubles
The Singles Race ranking of the player with the better race ranking will decide about the event, whenever both players of a team qualified for singles and doubles

March

2nd Monterrey
2nd Kuala Lumpur

Challenger Race Standings from 16.02.2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week 5-7) will determine the holders of the SE spots
Top 4 in Singles and Top 4 Doubles Teams get a SE spot for the International tournaments in March.
The highest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place first
The lowest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place last

April

6th Katowice
13th Bogota
27th Marrakech
2th TBD

Challenger Race Standings from 23.03.2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week 8-12) will determine the holders of the SE spots
Top 8 in Singles and Top 8 Doubles Teams get a SE spot for the International tournaments in April.
The highest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place first
The lowest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place last

May

18th Strasbourg
18th TBD

Challenger Race Standings from 04.05.2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week 13-18) will determine the holders of the SE spots
Top 4 in Singles and Top 4 Doubles Teams get a SE spot for the International tournaments in May.
The highest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place first
The lowest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place last

June

8th Nottingham
8th s-Hertogenbosch

Challenger Race Standings from 25.05.2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week 19-21) will determine the holders of the SE spots
Top 4 in Singles and Top 4 Doubles Teams get a SE spot for the International tournaments in June.
The highest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place first
The lowest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place last

July

13th Bucharest
13th Bastad
20th Istanbul
20th Bad Gastein
27th Baku
27th Florianapolis

Challenger Race Standings from 29.06.2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week 22-26) will determine the holders of the SE spots
Top 12 in Singles and Top 12 Doubles Teams get a SE spot for the International tournaments in July.
The highest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place first
The lowest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place last

August

3rd Washington
24th TBD

Challenger Race Standings from 20.07.2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week 27-29) will determine the holders of the SE spots
Top 4 in Singles and Top 4 Doubles Teams get a SE spot for the International tournaments in August.
The highest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place first
The lowest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place last

September

14th Quebec
14th Osaka
21st Seoul
21st Guangzhou
28nd Tashkent

Challenger Race Standings from 31.08.2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week 30-35) will determine the holders of the SE spots
Top 10 in Singles and Top 10 Doubles Teams get a SE spot for the International tournaments in September.
The highest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place first
The lowest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place last

October

12th Linz
12th Hong Kong
12th Tianjin
19th Luxembourg

Challenger Race Standings from 28.09.2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week (36-39) will determine the holders of the SE spots
Top 8 in Singles and Top 8 Doubles Teams get a SE spot for the International tournaments in September.
The highest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place first
The lowest ranked persons/teams get the two spots for the event which takes place last

January 2016

Challenger Race Standings from 21.12.2015 (incl. the ITF tournaments from Week (40-51) will determine the holders of the SE spots

Michael!
Dec 25th, 2010, 08:37 PM
Quick Links


Standard First Page: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=425108

TB/SR Rules 2015: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=425109

Protected Ranking Thread: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=772578

Special Exempts Thread: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=450183

Challenger Race: (Basis for SE and Challenger YEC) http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=660401

Tournament Points for 2015: http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=36292841&postcount=85

What can happen if I send my picks in an incorrect format? Penalty Rules:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=35971153&postcount=58

How to become a TT Tournament Manager? (incl. AdeyCīs "Idiot's Guide for TT Management": http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=626505

Hall of Fame: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=489306

More Questions? Ask here: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=425154

Uranus
Dec 25th, 2010, 09:52 PM
What does the LL thing mean?

Oh and I suggested something for the rankings in the other threads (do it like the WTA does and not just count the 17 best results regardless of whether the tournament is mandatory or not), wouldn't it be possible?

And I hope the standard 1st page comes out soon, we have tournaments beginning within a small week and I don't want players to blame me for posting a non-updated 1st page with wrong rules :p.

Sexysova
Dec 25th, 2010, 10:56 PM
What does the LL thing mean?

Oh and I suggested something for the rankings in the other threads (do it like the WTA does and not just count the 17 best results regardless of whether the tournament is mandatory or not), wouldn't it be possible?

And I hope the standard 1st page comes out soon, we have tournaments beginning within a small week and I don't want players to blame me for posting a non-updated 1st page with wrong rules :p.

what do you mean?

we have the system best of 16 tournaments, I guess it's not possible to change it now.

I will do it tomorrow :)

Uranus
Dec 26th, 2010, 10:04 AM
what do you mean?

we have the system best of 16 tournaments, I guess it's not possible to change it now.
Forget about it, I got the LL rule.

Why isn't it possible? Well, just a suggestion to, IMO, improve the game.

joe87
Dec 26th, 2010, 10:41 AM
Ondrej, I think you should also include the Tiebreak-rules in this thread, to have all rules in one thread. ;)

Sexysova
Dec 26th, 2010, 11:43 AM
Ondrej, I think you should also include the Tiebreak-rules in this thread, to have all rules in one thread. ;)

I wanted it to be separated, I hope it's okay, I will link to this thread though.

joe87
Dec 26th, 2010, 06:35 PM
I wanted it to be separated, I hope it's okay, I will link to this thread though.

I didn't see the other thread. If it gets sticky, it's ok how it is. ;)

Richie's
Dec 26th, 2010, 10:11 PM
I have a big question about the Q draws. So, if a Q Draw can have max. 32 players that means;

1. Two rounds for the 1st day of the tournament or
2. The tournament should start one day earlier or
3. Final q round should be the same day as 1st round

I need some advice here....

joe87
Dec 27th, 2010, 07:55 AM
I have a big question about the Q draws. So, if a Q Draw can have max. 32 players that means;

1. Two rounds for the 1st day of the tournament or
2. The tournament should start one day earlier or
3. Final q round should be the same day as 1st round

I need some advice here....

Your auckland tourny is a 16 q-draw ;)

joe87
Jan 4th, 2011, 10:29 AM
Ondrej, can you add the rule with 2 days OF's?

For WTA-tournaments with a 32 Player-MD-Field and 7 MD-days we use to have 2 days of OF. So if there is a Sunday final, Qualies starts Saturday and MD starts Monday.

Sexysova
Jan 4th, 2011, 11:00 AM
updated :)

Sexysova
Jan 7th, 2011, 07:18 PM
like this? ;)

Use of Alternates/Lucky Losers: If more spots than alternates, highest ranked players receive byes. Place in ranking order.

Where both players fail to send picks for a 1st round match and there are no LLs or ALTs to take their places, the highest-ranked players in that round will receive byes to rd2, and their previous opponents will play each other in the "problem match"

Andiyan
Jan 7th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Yeah. Great :)
In addition, the line "place in ranking order" is a bit vague. The first ALT for QD/MD faces the lowest ranked player wihout opponent, and so on, right?

Sexysova
Jan 7th, 2011, 10:15 PM
yes :)

mik loves dani
Jan 9th, 2011, 11:28 AM
Do you have to have 100 posts to play any challenger, international OR grandslam?

Andiyan
Jan 9th, 2011, 01:49 PM
Yes.

heart
Feb 4th, 2011, 05:40 PM
doha is a 28 player field. so do the top 4 tt players receive a bye? according to the website: DRAW SIZE: 28 Main Draw/32 Qualies/16 Doubles

joe87
Feb 5th, 2011, 10:57 AM
doha is a 28 player field. so do the top 4 tt players receive a bye? according to the website: DRAW SIZE: 28 Main Draw/32 Qualies/16 Doubles

No, we'll have a full draw. 32 MD / 16 Q / 16 D / 8 DQ

heart
Feb 5th, 2011, 11:21 AM
No, we'll have a full draw. 32 MD / 16 Q / 16 D / 8 DQ

thanks!:)

ALYOUNA
Feb 9th, 2011, 09:54 AM
Hi,Ondrej, I think Ranking Rules should be included .

Sexysova
Feb 9th, 2011, 10:12 AM
Hi,Ondrej, I think Ranking Rules should be included .

what exactly? :)

ALYOUNA
Feb 9th, 2011, 10:52 AM
[QUOTE=Sexysova;19126803]what exactly? :)[/QUOTE:]:devil:ranking points count 16 best tournaments,please add it because newcomers may not know it.

ALYOUNA
Feb 9th, 2011, 10:54 AM
what exactly? :):devil:ranking points count 16 best tournaments,please add it because newcomers may not know it.

Sexysova
Feb 9th, 2011, 11:18 AM
updated :)

Rankings System: Best of 16. This means that your best 16 results throughout the year will be counted for your ranking.

Willam
Feb 10th, 2011, 04:38 AM
Is there a PR for players who have been out for more than 6 months?

I stopped playing and I was like #3. :tape:

Sexysova
Feb 10th, 2011, 06:58 PM
Is there a PR for players who have been out for more than 6 months?

I stopped playing and I was like #3. :tape:

no.

HawkAussie
Mar 26th, 2011, 07:31 AM
Can I please play this year

Sexysova
Mar 26th, 2011, 11:40 AM
Can I please play this year

yes, but you need to have 100 posts and be a member for three months.

Sexysova
Nov 22nd, 2011, 06:46 AM
This thread was updated for 2012! New rules for 2012 are in blue. Older changes are in red. :)

Andiyan
Nov 22nd, 2011, 04:16 PM
Great job Ondrej. There's quite a lot of rules now in the FP. Maybe some way you can order them by subject?

Sexysova
Dec 1st, 2011, 08:12 AM
some things were added to CB/”Looking Forwards” rule, all TT players should check it :)

sfar
Oct 23rd, 2012, 08:49 PM
3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts.

Really don't understand this rule.
:confused::confused::confused:

AdeyC
Oct 23rd, 2012, 08:53 PM
Really don't understand this rule.
:confused::confused::confused:

Couldn't agree more - they did it because it supposedly stops double accounts...and it also makes people lose interest and not bother :rolleyes:

sfar
Oct 23rd, 2012, 09:07 PM
Couldn't agree more - they did it because it supposedly stops double accounts...and it also makes people lose interest and not bother :rolleyes:

Double accounts can be checked by IP and other computerized ways... :rolleyes:

So that just forces me to spam around in the forum to get to the 100 posts. Hope I don't forget about logging in in 3 months time. :shrug:

Sexysova
Nov 7th, 2012, 05:47 PM
3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts. An exception is made for veteran MTF players (if you have played TT for 3 months or longer on MTF, then you can play TT on TF immediately.

Vincey!
Nov 7th, 2012, 05:57 PM
Double accounts can be checked by IP and other computerized ways... :rolleyes:

So that just forces me to spam around in the forum to get to the 100 posts. Hope I don't forget about logging in in 3 months time. :shrug:

Are you aware that there is a way to change your IP on purpose so you can have a different one every day if you want? Also MODS don't check IP of EVERY new users systematically. The 3 months and 100 post rule was helping to filter the possible double accounts so Mods could check their IP etc...

Anyway the new rules is more flexible for MTF player now so you should stop trolling around.

sfar
Nov 7th, 2012, 10:02 PM
3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts. An exception is made for veteran MTF players (if you have played TT for 3 months or longer on MTF, then you can play TT on TF immediately.

Great news!!!

goOudinUSA
Nov 7th, 2012, 10:54 PM
is there an exception for on MTF too?

Chris 84
Nov 7th, 2012, 10:57 PM
is there an exception for on MTF too?

anybody can play tt on mtf. they don't have restrictions.

goOudinUSA
Nov 7th, 2012, 11:03 PM
cool! thanks!

Sexysova
Dec 29th, 2012, 04:04 PM
new changes on first page, they're:

3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts. An exception to the this rule is to be made for MTF TT players. If an MTF'er who has been a member there for at least 3 months and has over 100 posts there wishes to play tennis tipping on TF, he is now allowed to do so. However, such player must declare himself to the TT manager of that particular tournament and will have to be verified as an MTF member.

2-days QF: For tournaments with a 32 Player-MD-Field and 7 MD-days we use to have 2 days of QF. So if there is a Sunday final, Qualies starts Saturday and MD starts Monday. Unless day one has less than four matches in total or no main draw matches. In that case, round 1 becomes a 2-day round instead of QF.

Challengers: Top 30 singles players and top 30 doubles players are now considered to be "late entrants" for all challenger/futures tt tournaments. the order of LE priority which they gain will be dependent on their reverse rankings (ie world #30 has first LE priority, world #1 has last)

NEW SR RULE: every match will now be a SR match. We used to have max 15 SR matches but from now we will have all matches SR

Chris 84
Feb 13th, 2013, 10:33 PM
New Rule Regarding Picks Sent to the Wrong Person

- where a player sends picks to the person who posts the OOP, then even when it is clearly marked who the PM should be sent to, if the player sends his picks to the person who posted the OOP or any other understandable person (eg the regular assistant manager) then picks CAN be accepted for play as long as they are forwarded to the rightful recipient (ie the manager) before the deadline for picks to be in.
(please note that this excludes doubles partners, so if i sent my picks to slokid and not the manager, the picks will not be counted even if slokid forwards them.)

example of the rule in practice:

joe87 is the tournament manager. meelis posts the OOP for joe. chris 84 then sends his picks to meelis, having misread the instructions. if meelis forwards the picks to joe87 before the deadline, then the picks will count. if not, they will not count. meelis is not forced to forward the picks, and chris 84 cannot complain if he doesn't, because essentially it is all chris's fault for not reading the instructions.

Chris 84
Feb 14th, 2013, 04:29 PM
New Rule Regarding sending picks to the wrong:

picks now CANNOT be accepted where a player attempts to send picks to the manager but spells the name wrongly in cases where the manager has posted the OOP.

eg Michael! posts the OOP and clearly states that picks have to be sent to him. chris 84 sends picks to Michael. instead. such picks will NOT now be counted.

Michael!
Feb 27th, 2013, 10:39 PM
So as a summary (for 32 MD):
- If I have less than 32 players at commitment deadline then I can fill up till 32 players with late entrants, and next after the 32th is Alt. If there arenīt any LEs available then highest ranked players on the Entry List will receive a BYE (example: 20 entrants in a 32 draw size 1st round => The 8 seeds + players ranked 9-12 get BYE)
- If I have 33-35 players then I can fill up to 36 players, 37th is an alt.
- If I have 37-43 players then I can fill up to 44 players, next is Alt. (Obviously if there is time)

Red part has been added to the rules, possible BYEs always go to the highest ranked players/teams on the Entry List and donīt get placed randomly!

DollyRose
Oct 20th, 2013, 08:29 PM
Oh gee I hope the game is easier than the rules :scared:

Frederik
Oct 20th, 2013, 08:51 PM
You don't have to know all these rules. Actually most of the players don't :p

JustPetko
Oct 20th, 2013, 10:11 PM
You don't have to know all these rules. Actually most of the players don't :p

So true :lol:

Frederik
Oct 21st, 2013, 01:20 AM
Oh gee I hope the game is easier than the rules :scared:

and the REAL rules are here (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=425109) :oh: :lol:

Michael!
Nov 9th, 2013, 02:56 PM
- Where there is a 1st round match in which BOTH players do not send picks, the following will happen:
1) 2 LLs or ALTs will replace the players
2) where only 1 LL/ALT is available, that LL replaces one of the players, the No.1 seed's opponent replaces the other player, and the No.1 seed receives a bye.
3) where no LL/ALT is available, the opponents of both the No.1 and No.2 seeds move to that part of the draw and both No.1 and No.2 seeds receive byes.
If the No.1 or No.2 seeds didnīt send picks then the opponents of No.3, No.4 or No.5 seeds etc. will move to that part of the draw and No.3/No.4/No.5 seeds will receive a BYE.
4) if more matches are in the same circumstances, the opponents of the lower seeded or highest ranked unseeded players will fill in the draw in the appropriate order.

In doubles teams already get replaced if one player of a team did not send picks.

Example: Team A vs. Team B and only one player of each team sent picks
1) 2 LLs or ALTs will replace both teams
2) where only 1 LL/ALT etc. (same rule as for singles/see above)

Blue part has been added to the rules, nothing new here, just an example for doubles to make it clearer that it is already enough to get replaced in doubles if one person of a team doesnīt send picks! :p

Javi.
Nov 9th, 2013, 03:00 PM
Blue part has been added to the rules, nothing new here, just an example for doubles to make it clearer that it is already enough to get replaced in doubles if one person of a team doesnīt send picks! :p

What happens if only one of them sends in both teams? Both are replaced? Or match is played as a singles one?

Michael!
Nov 9th, 2013, 03:01 PM
What happens if only one of them sends in both teams? Both are replaced? Or match is played as a singles one?

Example: Team A vs. Team B and only one player of each team sent picks
1) 2 LLs or ALTs will replace both teams

not clear? :p :lol:

Javi.
Nov 9th, 2013, 03:04 PM
not clear? :p :lol:

:facepalm: :silly:


Sorry

Michael!
Nov 11th, 2013, 08:41 PM
Determining Lucky Losers: In the end of the final qualifying round, managers should post a list of the losers who had the highest scores in that round (If the score is the same you should use the TB/SR system to order the players). Those are the first players to be called in case someone doesn’t send his/her picks.
Players who had a BYE in 1st round and didnīt send for FQR will be at the end of the LL List only (behind those who sent and lost in 1st q-round)! The order of those in the LL list will be decided by ranking then.

New rule, which already will become effective now! :p
Change here is that those who had BYE in 1st round of Q and forgot to send for FQR will be behind those in the LL List from now on who sent and lost in 1st q round! :)

Cooper96
Nov 11th, 2013, 10:10 PM
Yay that was my suggestion. Glad it got changed :yeah:

Michael!
Dec 2nd, 2013, 08:42 PM
I will start adding new rules for 2014 now, at least those who are already clear! :)
Those rules which I will add already now will become effective from next week on, so please check the first page of the rules thread and the TB thread for possible changes (but I will post all new rules here in an extra post as well anyway! :angel:

Michael!
Dec 2nd, 2013, 08:43 PM
Sending picks incorrectly:

a) If someone sends before OOP is posted => no punishment
b) First time => a warning (manager should PM the player back)
c) Second time => a SR point penalty
d) Third time => a point penalty

Sending picks in incorrect format wonīt lead to a disqualification but will always lead to further point penalties during the tournament.

Examples:

a) sending full name instead of last name only:

Maria SHARAPOVA 2-0
Petra KVITOVA 2-0
Angelique KERBER 2-0

b) sending with country

Sharapova (RUS) 2-0
Kvitova (CZE) 2-0
Kerber (GER) 2-0

c) sending with wrong SR/TB format

Sharapova 3
Kvitova 2
Kerber 3

d) random order of picks/ridiculous format/multiples mistakes

Scharapowwa 2-0
Quitowa 20 Kerbear 2-0
Willyams 2-0 Errahni 2-0

e) Players who repeatedly send only one part of a double name (Suarez, Brito, Medina, Lucic)

Individual spelling or copy/paste mistakes can always happen and wonīt be punished.

We felt that it was necessary to introduce this because of the amount of complaints we've had from managers, and the failure of players to send in the correct format. Naturally, managers do not have to punish players who send in the wrong format, but if they wish to, they now have a list of procedures by which they can take action.

Inger67
Dec 2nd, 2013, 08:56 PM
Where it says: "Here are some examples of what does and what does not constitute sending picks in the incorrect format" it doesn't specify which did or did not constitute as sending in the wrong format, just listed off 5 examples.

Michael!
Dec 2nd, 2013, 09:01 PM
Where it says: "Here are some examples of what does and what does not constitute sending picks in the incorrect format" it doesn't specify which did or did not constitute as sending in the wrong format, just listed off 5 examples.


OK, I changed it a bit, should be clearer now! :p

Michael!
Dec 2nd, 2013, 09:09 PM
That rule should be clear also, no SEs for Top30 players!

Special Exempts: Anyone who wins a challenger tournament gets direct entry into an international tournament a fortnight following their win. If you win a challenger in week 1 of the new season, you gain direct entry into the MD of the international tournament of your choice in week 3, and so on. If there are no international tournaments that week, then your "special exempt" status rolls over to the week after, and so on. Challengers which take place in the last 2 weeks of the season and afterwards do NOT count regarding this new rule. To make use of this rule, a challenger winner should enter the international tournament of his choosing and tell the tournament manager that he has SE status. This rule applies for both singles and doubles. In doubles you have to enter MD of international tournament as special exempt with the partner you won the challenger with.
LE top-30-ranked players will NOT gain an SE for winning a challenger tournament. If they win an event, the SE will "roll over" to the next week. The runners-up will NOT gain the top 30 player's SE.

Michael!
Dec 2nd, 2013, 09:13 PM
we will also increase the time between posting EL and draw, Chris posted that already, right now we are just sorting discussing last details of that rule, will add it then to the new rules as well! :p

2014 we will also have different points system (just like WTA has), will wait here until WTA has confirmed that new system! :angel:

Michael!
Dec 7th, 2013, 01:40 PM
New rules for 2014 regarding commitments!
1st entry deadline will always be Sunday,6pm CET from now on, all those who commit after will be LEs!
There will be one deadline for singles and doubles!!!

All 2013 tournaments will have "old" deadline, new commitment rules will become effective for Brisbane/Shenzhen/Auckland 2014.


COMMITMENTS (NEW RULE):

Entries will be based on ranking (rankings from two weeks before the start of the tournament)
Tournament thread posted not later than Sunday (two weeks before start of the tournament) - Players have at least 8 days (from Sunday till Sunday) to commit to the tournament and this will be done by ranking.
First entry deadline for singles AND doubles is always Sunday 6 pm current time in Europe (CET or CEST).
The day before TT qualifying begins is the 2nd deadline for changes (the exact time is up to the tournament manager) and the draws are made after that.

Example for Paris/indoors (Quali starts 25th and MD starts 27th February):

Manager opens thread for Paris on Sunday, 12th February
First deadline for singles and doubles: Sunday, 19th February (6pm CET)
Draws are made: Friday, 24th February
EL and Seeds will be based on rankings from 13th February

Late Entries: Everyone who commits after the first entry deadline will be considered as Late Entry.
LEs, who commit after the 1st deadline but before draws are made will go to the bottom of the Entry List.

Late entries should be sorted according to the commitment order.

Everyone who commits after draws are made will be ALT.

Example for 32 MD:

- for example 26,30 or 34 entries on Sunday after 1st deadline is over.
- Manager should fill up to 44 players (28 direct MD entries + 16 QD) with late entrants (if LEs available obviously)
- 45th entry and/or all those who commit after the draws are made will be ALTs.
LE can be seeded.

Managers can extend deadline only if there are still spots available in the Main Draw after the second deadline, the first deadline is always Sunday 6 PM CET/CEST!

If I have less than 32 players at the latest possible commitment deadline then highest ranked players on the Entry List will receive a BYE (example: 20 entrants in a 32 draw size 1st round => The 8 seeds + players ranked 9-12 get BYE)

Missing Someone's Commitment: In the case that you miss someone's commitment while managing a tournament he/she will be topping the Alt or LL lists.

Mynarco
Dec 7th, 2013, 02:01 PM
:eek: so we are using the MTF rules as well. It's getting a bit complicated.

Michael!
Dec 7th, 2013, 02:04 PM
:eek: so we are using the MTF rules as well. It's getting a bit complicated.

wouldnīt say complicated, people just have to get used to the early deadline! :p

Mynarco
Dec 7th, 2013, 02:07 PM
wouldnīt say complicated, people just have to get used to the early deadline! :p

And managers to set up thread earlier :oh:

It's gonna be a gamble for the lower ranked players on what tournaments to go to. Wrong decision and you are an LE.

Michael!
Dec 7th, 2013, 02:11 PM
And managers to set up thread earlier :oh:

It's gonna be a gamble for the lower ranked players on what tournaments to go to. Wrong decision and you are an LE.

yeah, I expect more last minute commitments, just like on MTF where they basically have same rule but it works fine there and it also should work fine here!

Mynarco
Dec 7th, 2013, 02:14 PM
yeah, I expect more last minute commitments, just like on MTF where they basically have same rule but it works fine there and it also should work fine here!

Hopefully the managers and the players are aware of these changes:)

Michael!
Dec 7th, 2013, 02:19 PM
Hopefully the managers and the players are aware of these changes:)


thatīs why we will send PMs, post links etc. :oh:

valac222
Dec 7th, 2013, 03:09 PM
Would you confirm just to make it clear.

26 players at first deadline: Next 2 LE ( according to thecommitment order) get MD place, all other LEs get QD places. (So LEs not sorted by ranking order even in this case)
30 players at first deadline: 28 best ranked get MD place, 2 lowest ranked get QD place as well as all LEs.

valac222
Dec 7th, 2013, 03:16 PM
Missing Someone's Commitment: In the case that you miss someone's commitment while managing a tournament he/she will be topping the Alt or LL lists.


1, LL if the player had been in MD, Alt if the player had been in QD
2, What if if the manager miss a LE commitment from a high ranked player?

valac222
Dec 7th, 2013, 04:02 PM
Just one more comment. There is an obvious overlapping between MTT and WTT players and first commitment deadlines are now the same. It would be a polite step towards players if first commitment deadline would be 5PM or 7PM instead of 6PM

joe87
Dec 7th, 2013, 04:04 PM
Would you confirm just to make it clear.

26 players at first deadline: Next 2 LE ( according to thecommitment order) get MD place, all other LEs get QD places. (So LEs not sorted by ranking order even in this case)
30 players at first deadline: 28 best ranked get MD place, 2 lowest ranked get QD place as well as all LEs.

correct ;)

Missing Someone's Commitment: In the case that you miss someone's commitment while managing a tournament he/she will be topping the Alt or LL lists.


1, LL if the player had been in MD, Alt if the player had been in QD
2, What if if the manager miss a LE commitment from a high ranked player?

1) yes, like we always did it
2) Being high ranked doesn't change anything here as LEs are sorted by commitment order. He will be ALT for Q then. ;)

goOudinUSA
Dec 7th, 2013, 04:04 PM
It's gonna be a gamble for the lower ranked players on what tournaments to go to. Wrong decision and you are an LE.

We know all to well about this on MTF. ;)

joe87
Dec 7th, 2013, 04:10 PM
We know all to well about this on MTF. ;)

I think it wont be that bad. Everyone who ends up in Q or as ALT still can go to ITF which usually has free MD places here in WTA. ;)

goOudinUSA
Dec 7th, 2013, 04:21 PM
I think it wont be that bad. Everyone who ends up in Q or as ALT still can go to ITF which usually has free MD places here in WTA. ;)

Oh, I'm not saying its going to be bad; I was stating that Chrono and I sometimes had some trouble figuring out which tournaments we would play (if we could get in or not)...and many times took a gamble. ;)

M.P
Dec 7th, 2013, 06:34 PM
So the first entry is like a week earlier?


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Michael!
Dec 7th, 2013, 11:48 PM
So the first entry is like a week earlier?


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yep :p

Example for Paris/indoors (Quali starts 25th and MD starts 27th February):

Manager opens thread for Paris on Sunday, 12th February
First deadline for singles and doubles: Sunday, 19th February (6pm CET)
Draws are made: Friday, 24th February
EL and Seeds will be based on rankings from 13th February

valac222
Dec 9th, 2013, 03:43 PM
This rule has a major element at MTT: no multiple commitment allowed during first week. Is that also the case here?

Michael!
Dec 9th, 2013, 07:03 PM
This rule has a major element at MTT: no multiple commitment allowed during first week. Is that also the case here?

before the first deadline on Sunday players can commit to one tournament, withdraw from there and commit to another tournament without being a LE.

Only the first commitment is valid if a player is still on two different Entry Lists once first deadline is over.

Michael!
Dec 11th, 2013, 12:17 PM
before the first deadline on Sunday players can commit to one tournament, withdraw from there and commit to another tournament without being a LE.

Only the first commitment is valid if a player is still on two different Entry Lists once first deadline is over.

I formed a rule out of my own comment and added it on first page as well, to make it clear for the future!!

Mynarco
Dec 11th, 2013, 04:39 PM
So managers have to crosscheck the ELs of other tournaments held in the same week to avoid double commitments

Michael!
Dec 11th, 2013, 05:32 PM
So managers have to crosscheck the ELs of other tournaments held in the same week to avoid double commitments

First of all players should withdraw from one tournament before they enter another one but yeah, managers should also check EL of other tournaments to avoid double commitments but that isnīt sth new! :p

SAISAI-GOAT
Dec 11th, 2013, 06:41 PM
:eek:

feel so many players will miss the deadline now :rolls:

Michael!
Dec 17th, 2013, 10:37 PM
Tournament Points for 2015:

Grand Slams:
Winner: 2000
Final: 1300
Semifinal: 780
Quarterfinal: 430
R16: 240
R32: 130
R64: 70
R128: 10
Q: 40
QFR: 30
Q2: 20
Q1: 2

Premier Mandatory (R128):
Winner: 1000
Final: 650
Semifinal: 390
Quarterfinal: 215
R16: 120
R32: 65
R64: 35
R128: 10
Qualifier: 30
QFR: 20
Q1: 2

Premier Mandatory (R64):
Winner: 1000
Final: 650
Semifinal: 390
Quarterfinal: 215
R16: 120
R32: 65
R64: 10
Qualifier: 30
QFR: 20
Q1: 2

Premier 5 (R64):
Winner: 900
Final: 585
Semifinal: 350
Quarterfinal: 190
R16: 105
R32: 60
R64: 1
Qualifier: 30
QFR: 20
Q1: 1


Premier 7 (R64):
Winner: 470
Final: 305
Semifinal: 185
Quarterfinal: 100
R16: 55
R32: 30
R64: 1
Qualifier: 25
QFR: 18
Q1: 1

Premier 7 (R32):
Winner: 470
Final: 305
Semifinal: 185
Quarterfinal: 100
R16: 55
R32: 1
Qualifier: 25
QFR: 18
Q1: 1

International (R32):
Winner: 280
Final: 180
Semifinal: 110
Quarterfinal: 60
R16: 30
R32: 1
Qualifier: 18
QFR: 14
Q1: 1

WTA125 (R32):
Winner: 160
Final: 95
Semifinal: 57
Quarterfinal: 29
R16: 15
R32: 1
Qualifier: 6
QFR: 4
Q1: 1

Challengers (R64):
Winner: 150
Final: 90
Semifinal: 55
Quarterfinal: 28
R16: 14
R32: 7
R64: 1
Qualifier: 6
QFR: 4
Q1: 1

Challengers (R32):
Winner: 150
Final: 90
Semifinal: 55
Quarterfinal: 28
R16: 14
R32: 1
Qualifier: 6
QFR: 4
Q1: 1

YEC:
Round Robin Match Loss – 70 points
Round Robin Match Win – 230 points
Semifinal Win – 360 points
Final Win – 450 points
Undefeated Champion – 1500 points

[B]Challenger YEC:
Round Robin Match Loss – 5 points
Round Robin Match Win – 38 points
Semifinal Win – 56 points
Final Win – 80 points
Undefeated Champion – 250 points

Mynarco
Dec 17th, 2013, 10:46 PM
Michi :kiss:

Lord Sneeze
Dec 18th, 2013, 01:45 AM
Michi :kiss:

This :worship:

colemohrlee
Dec 19th, 2013, 01:50 AM
new points

Inger67
Dec 19th, 2013, 02:19 PM
Are these the point distributions that are being used on the WTA tour then?

Michael!
Dec 19th, 2013, 03:29 PM
Are these the point distributions that are being used on the WTA tour then?

Yes, Sir! :p

Erranifighting
Dec 26th, 2013, 08:06 AM
a good game

Erranifighting
Dec 26th, 2013, 08:07 AM
wait for 3 months

^bibi^
Dec 26th, 2013, 11:29 AM
Hello,

About the protected Ranking System, I can't find the protected ranking thread...

I was ranked 148 back in April 2010 when I left this board, can I use that PR now that I'm back ?

Michael!
Dec 26th, 2013, 11:36 AM
Hello,

About the protected Ranking System, I can't find the protected ranking thread...

I was ranked 148 back in April 2010 when I left this board, can I use that PR now that I'm back ?

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=448810

Post in this thread if you wish to be considered for a protected ranking. You may be eligible if you have not played tt for a period of 6 months, but have played within the last 2 years, or if you know that you will be absent for a period of time in the coming season, then you can post in here prior to your absence.

sorry :hug:

^bibi^
Dec 26th, 2013, 12:43 PM
OK thanx :) it's not like it would have made a huge difference anyway :p

Michael!
Feb 18th, 2014, 10:06 AM
Double commitment (player commits to two different tournaments in the same week):

Before the 1st deadline on Sunday, 6pm CET players can commit to one tournament, withdraw from there and commit to another tournament without being a LE.
Only the first commitment is valid if a player is still on two different Entry Lists once second deadline is over for one of these tournaments.
If the double commitment is not noticed by the managers, points gained by the player in any of the two tournaments will not be considered.

Updated commitment rules!
Basically just added what Joe already said in the Ask the board thread, only first commitment is valid if a player is still on EL after 2nd deadline and points gained by the player wonīt be considered if the double commitment isnīt noticed!

valac222
Feb 18th, 2014, 10:42 AM
Should the player be removed from the draw and replaced by an LL (if it is still possible)?

joe87
Feb 18th, 2014, 11:55 AM
Should the player be removed from the draw and replaced by an LL (if it is still possible)?


I would say yes, if it is discovered in time and a LL sent picks.

joe87
Feb 18th, 2014, 11:56 AM
So, we can commit to several tournaments, but we will have to withdraw from one of them before the second deadline?


Yes.

joe87
Feb 18th, 2014, 12:11 PM
Yes, no changes here.

We just wanted to make sure that the players are the ones who have to take care of their commitments and not the managers, as it happened that someone ended up on multiple entrylists after 2nd deadline.

Michael!
Feb 27th, 2014, 02:41 PM
3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts. An exception to the this rule is to be made for MTF TT players. If an MTF'er who has been a member there for at least 3 months and has over 100 posts there wishes to play tennis tipping on TF, he is now allowed to do so. However, such player must declare himself to the TT manager of that particular tournament and will have to be verified as an MTF member.

That rule doesnīt exist anymore!
Everyone who wants to play TT on TF is allowed to do that immediately from now on, 100 posts arenīt needed as well anymore!

Javi.
Feb 27th, 2014, 04:01 PM
That rule doesnīt exist anymore!
Everyone who wants to play TT on TF is allowed to do that immediately from now on, 100 posts arenīt needed as well anymore!

Good riddance! :bigclap:

Davidspell
Feb 27th, 2014, 04:34 PM
That rule doesnīt exist anymore!
Everyone who wants to play TT on TF is allowed to do that immediately from now on, 100 posts arenīt needed as well anymore!

Good decision!

Igorche
Feb 27th, 2014, 05:05 PM
That rule doesnīt exist anymore!
Everyone who wants to play TT on TF is allowed to do that immediately from now on, 100 posts arenīt needed as well anymore!

:eek:

BMT360
Feb 27th, 2014, 08:02 PM
That rule doesnīt exist anymore!
Everyone who wants to play TT on TF is allowed to do that immediately from now on, 100 posts arenīt needed as well anymore!

Thank you!!!!!!!!!

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valac222
Feb 28th, 2014, 09:07 AM
Definately a good and brave decision. :worship:

Michael!
Oct 23rd, 2014, 07:56 AM
Alternates for TOC 2014

- Any player/team that won a International tournament in 2014 can enter the event as alternate, and will be ordered according to the Singles Rankings/Doubles Race Standings.
- Alternates are not allowed to play challengers in the week the TOC is played.
- Players who fail to send picks for the first RR round of the tournament will be permanently replaced by alternates. No replacements will happen after the first RR round.

This is the rule when it comes to ALTs for Sofia next week, this will be the last TOC anyway and we will discuss about new rules for YEC during the off season.

The winner and the runner-up of each group will be determined by the following tie-breaker:

a. Greatest number of wins.
b. Head-to-head results if only two (2) players are tied.
c. If three (3) players are tied, then:
i) Number of correct picks.
ii) If (i) produces one (1) superior player (first place), or one (1) inferior player (third place), and the two (2) remaining players are tied, the tie between those two (2) players shall be broken by head-to-head record.
iii) Number of correct SRs.
iii) Number of correct ISRs

Michael!
Nov 13th, 2014, 05:01 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=51543642&postcount=373

SAISAI-GOAT
Nov 13th, 2014, 06:35 PM
when are rankings switched to best of 20 and will this make Adey the new #1 :oh:

*Jean*
Nov 13th, 2014, 06:42 PM
Double commitment (player commits to two different tournaments in the same week):

Before the 1st deadline on Sunday, 6pm CET players can commit to one tournament, withdraw from there and commit to another tournament without being a LE.
If the player is still on two different Entry Lists once the first deadline is over and the infraction is noticed before the tournaments start, only the first commitment will be valid and no punishment is applied.

If the double commitment is not noticed by anyone before the draws are made, points gained by the player in any of the two tournaments will not be considered and the player will be replaced with ALTs/LLs (only possible if the player didnīt win a round already in that tournament)

I'm not sure what's new :confused:

Igorche
Nov 13th, 2014, 06:53 PM
I'm not sure what's new :confused:
Old
Double commitment (player commits to two different tournaments in the same week):

Before the 1st deadline on Sunday, 6pm CET players can commit to one tournament, withdraw from there and commit to another tournament without being a LE.
If the player is still on two different Entry Lists once the 2nd deadline is over and the infraction is noticed before the tournaments start, only the first commitment will be valid and no punishment is applied.

If the double commitment is not noticed by anyone before the draws are made, points gained by the player in any of the two tournaments will not be considered and the player will be replaced with ALTs/LLs (only possible if the player didnīt win a round already in that tournament)
New
Double commitment (player commits to two different tournaments in the same week):

Before the 1st deadline on Sunday, 6pm CET players can commit to one tournament, withdraw from there and commit to another tournament without being a LE.
If the player is still on two different Entry Lists once the first deadline is over and the infraction is noticed before the tournaments start, only the first commitment will be valid and no punishment is applied.

If the double commitment is not noticed by anyone before the draws are made, points gained by the player in any of the two tournaments will not be considered and the player will be replaced with ALTs/LLs (only possible if the player didnīt win a round already in that tournament)

Michael!
Nov 13th, 2014, 07:39 PM
when are rankings switched to best of 20 and will this make Adey the new #1 :oh:

Best of 20 from 2015 on :angel:
No clue about your 2nd question, ask Adey :D :lol:

for more details, ask Adey/Frederik, the experts of Rankings :D :lol:

SAISAI-GOAT
Nov 13th, 2014, 07:40 PM
Best of 20 from 2015 on :angel:
No clue about your 2nd question, ask Adey :D :lol:

for more details, ask Adey/Frederik, the experts of Rankings :D :lol:

but what if the #1 switches hands, just because of that rule :scared:

I assume Adey or Inger would launch a protest :oh:

Javi.
Nov 13th, 2014, 07:41 PM
Best of 20 from 2015 on :angel:
No clue about your 2nd question, ask Adey :D :lol:

for more details, ask Adey/Frederik, the experts of Rankings :D :lol:

So this will be changed after #20 in of 2015 or only at the end of 2015 when only 2015 results are computed for ranking? :scratch:
Sorry it may sound stupid but I'm not sure what this means :p

Michael!
Nov 13th, 2014, 07:41 PM
but what if the #1 switches hands, just because of that rule :scared:

I assume Adey or Inger would launch a protest :oh:

then we all blame jrm as she suggested that change :angel: :lol:

*Jean*
Nov 13th, 2014, 07:42 PM
so we can no longer wait for the 1st deadline lists to come out to choose where to play?

Michael!
Nov 13th, 2014, 07:44 PM
So this will be changed after #20 in of 2015? :scratch:

Best 20 results will count for the Race in 2015 instead of 16, but as I said, I am not an expert of the rankings, Meelis/Frederik/Adey are surely able to tell you how it works exactly.

Michael!
Nov 13th, 2014, 07:45 PM
so we can no longer wait for the 1st deadline lists to come out to choose where to play?

No, just same as on MTF, just that on TF you are allowed to commit to multiple tournaments before the 1st deadline without being LE!

Meelis
Nov 13th, 2014, 07:53 PM
will this make Adey the new #1 :oh:

Probably not. Right now it's Inger 5295, Adey 5280. Best 20 would be Inger 5530, Adey 5510.

Counting top 20 does not make much difference. Only few players will have their ranking go up or down by more than couple places.

Meelis
Nov 13th, 2014, 08:37 PM
So this will be changed after #20 in of 2015 or only at the end of 2015 when only 2015 results are computed for ranking? :scratch:

Best 16 results will count for the last rankings of 2014.
Best 20 results will count for the first rankings of 2015.

Lord Sneeze
Nov 14th, 2014, 12:15 AM
Can i please confirm that SE will be the for only the 3-4 week period of that month, not overall Challenger ranking, be majorly flawed if it is that.
For example March would take into account only weeks 4-7 points, not weeks 1-7.

SAISAI-GOAT
Nov 14th, 2014, 01:15 AM
Can i please confirm that SE will be the for only the 3-4 week period of that month, not overall Challenger ranking, be majorly flawed if it is that.
For example March would take into account only weeks 4-7 points, not weeks 1-7.

I think it is the overall Challenger ranking :oh:

Adrian. was complaining that the "scrubs" that play the ITF tour don't have chances to play XWTA tournaments and I think this is supposed to address Adrian.'s concern by letting the best ITF players keep playing XWTA :angel:

ivanxie
Nov 14th, 2014, 03:28 AM
No, just same as on MTF, just that on TF you are allowed to commit to multiple tournaments before the 1st deadline without being LE!

Damn, that's annoying. I always wait until the entry list is officially out before withdrawing to not have to play qualifying. Oh well.

*Jean*
Nov 14th, 2014, 05:47 AM
No, just same as on MTF, just that on TF you are allowed to commit to multiple tournaments before the 1st deadline without being LE!

So if the manager does not post a preliminary entry list - which is more often than not what we have - we won't know where we are. Well done, #boardmadeoftoprankedplayerswhodontstrugglewithsch edule

Suit Up!
Nov 14th, 2014, 06:41 AM
So if the manager does not post a preliminary entry list - which is more often than not what we have - we won't know where we are. Well done, #boardmadeoftoprankedplayerswhodontstrugglewithsch edule

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Sorry but this rule is utter crap. What is the point of a first deadline in the first place then?

Yes, a board is selected to make decisions but this type of decision is affects lower ranked players MUCH MORE than top ranked players. The board IS NOT AN ACCURATE CROSSSECTION of the TT playing family and these rules should require a poll. 99% of all players do not have multiple commitments come the time of second deadline, so I do not in any way see why this rule was changed and what benefit will be derived from it. It will NOT be easier for managers. There will be more people double committed come first deadline, increasing the workload of managers. If a preliminary entry list a bit before first deadline is made, players will know where to play. I do not want to name any names but some managers, so have been managing for a while are just not up to scratch and I know that even with manager rules, prelim entry lists will not be made. I'm sorry for ranting but this rule seems to have no thought put into it what so ever :help: most of the board IS NOT as effected by this time rule as everyone else.

Igorche
Nov 14th, 2014, 07:21 AM
Can i please confirm that SE will be the for only the 3-4 week period of that month, not overall Challenger ranking, be majorly flawed if it is that.
For example March would take into account only weeks 4-7 points, not weeks 1-7.

Yes (that is how I understood)

ivanxie
Nov 14th, 2014, 07:51 AM
:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Sorry but this rule is utter crap. What is the point of a first deadline in the first place then?

Yes, a board is selected to make decisions but this type of decision is affects lower ranked players MUCH MORE than top ranked players. The board IS NOT AN ACCURATE CROSSSECTION of the TT playing family and these rules should require a poll. 99% of all players do not have multiple commitments come the time of second deadline, so I do not in any way see why this rule was changed and what benefit will be derived from it. It will NOT be easier for managers. There will be more people double committed come first deadline, increasing the workload of managers. If a preliminary entry list a bit before first deadline is made, players will know where to play. I do not want to name any names but some managers, so have been managing for a while are just not up to scratch and I know that even with manager rules, prelim entry lists will not be made. I'm sorry for ranting but this rule seems to have no thought put into it what so ever :help: most of the board IS NOT as effected by this time rule as everyone else.

Agreed. I hope I will never be one of those managers in the first place :oh:
All hail AdeyC Manager-GOAT.

Michael!
Nov 14th, 2014, 08:30 AM
So if the manager does not post a preliminary entry list - which is more often than not what we have - we won't know where we are. Well done, #boardmadeoftoprankedplayerswhodontstrugglewithsch edule

Glad that you like our decision :)
Anyway, as I said before, managers will have to post updated Entry Lists before the 1st deadline, thatīs obvious, if they regularly fail to do that they wonīt get the chance to manage anymore, itīs simple.

Yes (that is how I understood)

Yes, you understood right.
For February it is 1-3 week, for March only 4-7, not 1-7...

We are just about to add some rules for SEs in case of ties between players etc.
Thanks to Laszlo, he noticed it, better to think about such cases now during the off season and not when it happenend already...

rvugt
Nov 14th, 2014, 08:51 AM
Wow, some really strange changes. I don't agree with some of them.
About the commitment, I think the same rule for doubles is much too strong. How about one person in a doubles team will not make the singles cut. Changing a team will make you LE.

And next to that, is the 20 tournaments rule one that is also done in real life? I didn't hear anything about that, but it sounds surprising to me that you change that rule.

And just as a general thing, did I miss the places where we can vote what we think about these rules?

And why is it possible to play 2 tournaments as one, isn't FEDcup important anymore? The best thing would be to give points for the FED cup, that would solve the problem in a better way!

Igorche
Nov 14th, 2014, 08:56 AM
Wow, some really strange changes. I don't agree with some of them.
About the commitment, I think the same rule for doubles is much too strong. How about one person in a doubles team will not make the singles cut. Changing a team will make you LE.


No, that was case with old rule. With new rule there is only one deadline, last deadline.

rvugt
Nov 14th, 2014, 08:59 AM
No, that was case with old rule. With new rule there is only one deadline, last deadline.

Ok, indeed missed that part! That is better!

valac222
Nov 14th, 2014, 09:09 AM
For the double commitment rule there is an intermediate solution:

First ELs should be crosschecked on Monday at/not before 6 PM CET. That would give 24 hours to make decision.

valac222
Nov 14th, 2014, 09:12 AM
If the player is still on two different Entry Lists once the first deadline is over and the infraction is noticed before the tournaments start, only the first commitment will be valid and no punishment is applied.

What I say is that it should not be noticed before Monday :D

Michael!
Nov 14th, 2014, 09:16 AM
Wow, some really strange changes. I don't agree with some of them.
About the commitment, I think the same rule for doubles is much too strong. How about one person in a doubles team will not make the singles cut. Changing a team will make you LE.

And next to that, is the 20 tournaments rule one that is also done in real life? I didn't hear anything about that, but it sounds surprising to me that you change that rule.

And just as a general thing, did I miss the places where we can vote what we think about these rules?

And why is it possible to play 2 tournaments as one, isn't FEDcup important anymore? The best thing would be to give points for the FED cup, that would solve the problem in a better way!

16 or 20 doesnīt make a big difference but as most of the TT players play every week it seems a bit fairer to count Best 20 Tournaments, not just 16.

Fed Cup, we discussed 2 options, giving pts for FedCup or allowing players to play tournaments in the same week, majority voted for the Option we have now and this is a rule which favours all players, so no need to have a poll about that IMO

Suit Up!
Nov 14th, 2014, 09:20 AM
If the player is still on two different Entry Lists once the first deadline is over and the infraction is noticed before the tournaments start, only the first commitment will be valid and no punishment is applied.

What I say is that it should not be noticed before Monday :D

Still sometimes ELs are not posted. So I think the best thing would still be enforcement of prelim entry lists

Michael!
Nov 14th, 2014, 09:25 AM
Still sometimes ELs are not posted. So I think the best thing would still be enforcement of prelim entry lists

I will post in the Managers Thread that managers should post at least one updated EL before the 1st deadline, thatīs clear and as I said, managers should be aware of it now that it is important to update EL regularly and to be honest, with EL maker it is really no big deal to post an updated EL...

Igorche
Nov 14th, 2014, 09:28 AM
Still sometimes ELs are not posted. So I think the best thing would still be enforcement of prelim entry lists

I will post in the Managers Thread that managers should post at least one updated EL before the 1st deadline, thatīs clear and as I said, managers should be aware of it now that it is important to update EL regularly and to be honest, with EL maker it is really no big deal to post an updated EL...

And with EL maker it is very easy for players to check where they are on EL.

*Jean*
Nov 14th, 2014, 04:49 PM
what about one of the dear board members to be responsible for entry list updates during the whole week-end prior to the Sunday deadline?

seriously, you can switch back to the former doubles rule. the whole point was to have multiple commitment + doubles deadline pushed, there is no point at all doing the one or the other

In The Zone
Nov 14th, 2014, 11:41 PM
16 or 20 doesnīt make a big difference but as most of the TT players play every week it seems a bit fairer to count Best 20 Tournaments, not just 16.

Fed Cup, we discussed 2 options, giving pts for FedCup or allowing players to play tournaments in the same week, majority voted for the Option we have now and this is a rule which favours all players, so no need to have a poll about that IMO

Best of 20 favors the top of the game - again. The rich continue to get richer. Why 20? What a random #? Why wouldn't this be voted upon by the entire game? Why only a select few change such an important rule?

We try to mirror the game at every turn. Now all of a sudden we don't. Convenient.

The Walking Bye
Nov 15th, 2014, 01:05 AM
For the double commitment rule there is an intermediate solution:

First ELs should be crosschecked on Monday at/not before 6 PM CET. That would give 24 hours to make decision.

Ok, I was thinking the same thing, and 24 hours accounts for all timezones.

Doubles rule should be changed though, What if you are in singles QD but way out of doubles QD, alt 4, and in another tournament you are Alt 2 for singles, and in the Q draw comfortably. A difficult choice to make, which to WD from, Option A you wouldn't play Dubs, second option you could play both or neither.

Michael!
Nov 15th, 2014, 07:38 AM
what about one of the dear board members to be responsible for entry list updates during the whole week-end prior to the Sunday deadline?

seriously, you can switch back to the former doubles rule. the whole point was to have multiple commitment + doubles deadline pushed, there is no point at all doing the one or the other

The managers are obviously responsible for that in first place! ;)
But yeah, if there is no updated EL available then I can post one, I donīt have a problem with that, thatīs one of the tasks we board members have for sure, I agree here ;)


Best of 20 favors the top of the game - again. The rich continue to get richer. Why 20? What a random #? Why wouldn't this be voted upon by the entire game? Why only a select few change such an important rule?

We try to mirror the game at every turn. Now all of a sudden we don't. Convenient.

as I said before, itīs not a big change but we thought that best of 20 would be a bit fairer as most of the players play weekly anyway and I disagree, the rich continue to get richer is just wrong IMO
The SEs, the Top 30 LEs rule, more challengers/tournaments during the off season, Challenger YEC...we didnīt have that all a few years ago, so yeah, I just disagree with what you said, sorry.

Michael!
Nov 15th, 2014, 05:10 PM
Protected rankings: If people want a protected ranking, they should post it in protected rankings thread either before, or within 6 months of their lay-off and as long as they don't play TT for a period of 6 months, they are eligible for a protected ranking.
A PR is valid for one year and 8 tournaments (including maximum 2 Grand Slams and 2 premier mandatory tournaments)

WTA changed the rule here and allows to enter 2 Grand Slams with a Protected Ranking, so we changed that rule as well! :p

Mynarco
Nov 15th, 2014, 05:12 PM
:oh:

Freddy shall be pleased

joe87
Nov 15th, 2014, 05:39 PM
:oh:

Freddy shall be pleased


How many did he use yet? Should be at least 6 or 7 :shrug:

Michael!
Nov 16th, 2014, 10:59 AM
Double commitment (player commits to two different tournaments in the same week):

Before the 1st deadline on Sunday, 6pm CET players can commit to one tournament, withdraw from there and commit to another tournament without being a LE.
After the 1st deadline players have 24 hours time to withdraw from events of their choice
If the player is still on two different Entry Lists once the Withdrawal Deadline (Monday, 6pm CET/CEST) is over and the infraction is noticed before the tournaments start, only the first commitment will be valid and no punishment is applied.

If the double commitment is not noticed by anyone before the draws are made, points gained by the player in any of the two tournaments will not be considered and the player will be replaced with ALTs/LLs (only possible if the player didnīt win a round already in that tournament)

We added the red part to the rules to give players 24 hours time to withdraw from events of their choice.
I hope that satisfies most of you! :p

The Walking Bye
Nov 16th, 2014, 11:04 AM
^Thank you, it's not perfect but you are not punished if you forget, or if your timezone is horrible you can out after the cool down period before infractions are noticed.

Still, the double commit rule:tape:

Michael!
Nov 16th, 2014, 11:12 AM
Opponents of players/teams who did not send picks will receive a walkover in all 1 Day Round matches (incl. Non-1st round matches)
Teams/Players can only get replaced on a 1st day of a two days 1st round
Teams/Players who did not send picks are allowed to stay in the draw (and still have a chance to win) whenever there is a two days round (in non 1st round matches)

I added the red part, we usually donīt have two days 1st rounds but it happened in the past here and there, just wanted to make sure that we have a written rule for it...:angel:

*Jean*
Nov 16th, 2014, 11:50 AM
what about making everyting a 1-day round except the finals?
so QF 1-day round, so that final becomes a 3-day round, with a lot more matches in it, to avoid ridiculous finals

Frederik
Nov 16th, 2014, 02:15 PM
How many did he use yet? Should be at least 6 or 7 :shrug:

Only have a few left. 2 in singles and 3 in doubles ;)

Michael!
Nov 16th, 2014, 06:36 PM
what about making everyting a 1-day round except the finals?
so QF 1-day round, so that final becomes a 3-day round, with a lot more matches in it, to avoid ridiculous finals

well, we just had the Poll about changing the schedule and majority of the players wants to keep the current schedule, if there are users who support your idea then we will think about having a poll about it for sure for 2016!

rvugt
Nov 16th, 2014, 11:08 PM
16 or 20 doesnīt make a big difference but as most of the TT players play every week it seems a bit fairer to count Best 20 Tournaments, not just 16.

Fed Cup, we discussed 2 options, giving pts for FedCup or allowing players to play tournaments in the same week, majority voted for the Option we have now and this is a rule which favours all players, so no need to have a poll about that IMO

Okay, players who don't play Fed cup get stronger tournaments in the week of the Fed cup. So, why does this favour anybody. It would be nice if we don't grow into a dictatorship and get a vote in every decision in the off season. Of course some things are logical, but as you mention here, there was a discussion with different options in the board. Why not ask us?

Best of 20 favors the top of the game - again. The rich continue to get richer. Why 20? What a random #? Why wouldn't this be voted upon by the entire game? Why only a select few change such an important rule?

Here the same. I am seeing a dictatorship growing.