Tennis Tipping General Rules | Updated for 2012! | Changes in blue text, older in red

What is Tennis Tipping?

In the game, participants pick the winners of all main draw matches and are placed in a knock-out system. That means each participant plays a different participant and whoever predicted the winner of most matches correctly, moves on to the next round. The same applies for doubles, but you're in a team format and your scores are combined.

Note: In case of a tie, new SR/TB rules will decide who moves on to the next round. New SR/TB rules for 2011: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=425109

Retirements

In case a player (i.e. the actual WTA Player) retires in a match, there's new retirement rule for 2012. The new retirement rule means that matches involving a retirement WILL count in TT, as long as the first point has been played, but they do not count for SRs, ISR (giving a set to a winner) or for TBs.

- If players are replaced by a lucky loser after the start of Tennis Tipping, these matches will be cancelled.

Some other rules:

Tournament thread opening: 1 week prior to the beginning of the tournament

Draw Sizes: Tournaments should have a draw which has the same size as the real one. Qualifying draws should have room for 32 players except in weeks where there are 3 WTA tournaments. In those weeks the qualifying draws should have room for 16 players. Any exception to this rule should be decided by the board members.

2-days QF: For tournaments with a 32 Player-MD-Field and 7 MD-days we use to have 2 days of QF. So if there is a Sunday final, Qualies starts Saturday and MD starts Monday. Unless day one has less than four matches in total or no main draw matches. In that case, round 1 becomes a 2-day round instead of QF.

Standard First Page: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=425108

Tournament Managers: Now that we have many players, managers should start their "managing career" with managing challengers (possible to manage also International tournaments if the board agrees). Only high-profiled managers will run slams and bigger tournaments.

Rankings System: Best of 16. This means that your best 16 results throughout the year will be counted for your ranking.

Tournament Points:
Grand Slams:
Winner: 2000
Final: 1400
Semifinal: 900
Quarterfinal: 500
R16: 280
R32: 160
R64: 100
R128: 5
Q: 60
QFR: 50
Q2: 40
Q1: 2


Premier Mandatory (R128):
Winner: 1000
Final: 700
Semifinal: 450
Quarterfinal: 250
R16: 140
R32: 80
R64: 50
R128: 5
QFR: 30
Q2: 20
Q1: 1


Premier Mandatory (R64):
Winner: 1000
Final: 700
Semifinal: 450
Quarterfinal: 250
R16: 140
R32: 80
R64: 5
QFR: 30
Q2: 20
Q1: 1


Premier 5 (R64):
Winner: 900
Final: 620
Semifinal: 395
Quarterfinal: 225
R16: 125
R32: 70
R64: 1
Q: 30
QFR: 20
Q2: 12
Q1: 1


Premier 5 (R32):
Winner: 900
Final: 620
Semifinal: 395
Quarterfinal: 225
R16: 125
R32: 1
Q: 30
QFR: 20
Q2: 12
Q1: 1


Premier (R64):
Winner: 470
Final: 320
Semifinal: 200
Quarterfinal: 120
R16: 60
R32: 40
R64: 1
Q: 12
QFR: 8
Q1: 1


Premier (R32):
Winner: 470
Final: 320
Semifinal: 200
Quarterfinal: 120
R16: 60
R32: 1
Q: 20
QFR: 12
Q2: 8
Q1: 1


International (R64):
Winner: 280
Final: 200
Semifinal: 130
Quarterfinal: 70
R16: 30
R32: 15
R64: 1
Q: 10
QFR: 6
Q1: 1


International (R32):
Winner: 280
Final: 200
Semifinal: 130
Quarterfinal: 70
R16: 30
R32: 1
Q: 16
QFR: 10
Q2: 6
Q1: 1


Challengers (R64):
Winner: 150
Final: 110
Semifinal: 80
Quarterfinal: 40
R16: 20
R32: 10
R64: 1
Q: 6
QFR: 4
Q1: 1


Challengers (R32):
Winner: 150
Final: 110
Semifinal: 80
Quarterfinal: 40
R16: 20
R32: 1
Q: 6
QFR: 4
Q1: 1Wild Cards: Not used in the 2012 season.

Special Exempts: There will be a new rule, whereby anyone who wins a challenger tournament gets direct entry into an international tournament a fortnight following their win. If you win a challenger in week 1 of the new season, you gain direct entry into the MD of the international tournament of your choice in week 3, and so on. If there are no international tournaments that week, then your "special exempt" status rolls over to the week after, and so on. Challengers which take place in the last 2 weeks of the season and afterwards do NOT count regarding this new rule. This rule will come into play as of the first tournaments taking place ENTIRELY in 2012. To make use of this rule, a challenger winner should enter the international tournament of his choosing and tell the tournament manager that he has SE status. This rule applies for both singles and doubles. In doubles you have to enter MD of international tournament as special exempt with the partner you won the challenger with.

Determining Lucky Losers: In the end of the final qualifying round, managers should post a list of the players who have the higher scores in that round (If the score is the same you should use the TB/SR system to order the players). Those are the first players to be called in case someone doesn’t send his/her picks.

Deadline for Picks: The deadline for accepting picks is the time at which the matches are scheduled to start. NO PICKS will be accepted if they are sent after that point. Managers are allowed to make the deadline earlier if they are not able to post the differences at the time when the play starts. However, all picks which are sent between "manager's deadline" and real start of play have to be counted. When the differences are posted, you can't change your picks anymore.

Example: Manager sets the deadline to 10am because (s)he needs to post differences earlier but the play (the first match) starts at 11am. All picks received between 10am-11am have to be counted.

Challengers: Top 30 singles players and top 30 doubles players are now considered to be "late entrants" for all challenger/futures tt tournaments. the order of LE priority which they gain will be dependent on their reverse rankings (ie world #30 has first LE priority, world #1 has last)

We will have a challenger YEC in 2012 as long as Andjelko (tennismaster8820) is able to keep the challenger race up to date. It will be run in the same week as Bali and will feature the Top 8 challenger players and Top 16 challenger doubles players of the year. Doubles players will qualify as individuals and not as teams. People who play in the YEC or Bali are INELIGIBLE for this event. They can play singles of one and doubles of the other, but not singles in both, etc. The format will be two groups (4 players in each group) for singles and two groups (4 teams in each group) for doubles.

Ranking points for this event will be awarded like so:
Round Robin Match Loss – 5 points
Round Robin Match Win – 38 points
Semifinal Win – 56 points
Final Win – 80 points
Undefeated Champion – 250 pointsProtected rankings: Will be brought in. If people want a protected ranking, they should post it in the new protected rankings thread either before, or within 6 months of their lay-off and as long as they don't play TT for a period of 6 months, they are eligible for a protected ranking.

Number of commitments: Min. number of commitments for a tournament to be run is 16 players/8 teams.

Fed Cup: It will remain the same as in 2011.

SR/TB: You CAN’T send a SR in your TB different from the SR you decided to send first. If you send a SR different from your TB (Example: 2-0 6-3 4-6 7-6) that pick will be counted but the SR/TB won’t.

NEW SR RULE: every match will now be a SR match. We used to have max 15 SR matches but from now we will have all matches SR

CB/”Looking Forwards”: In Case everything is tied after the use of the TB’s use tournament Countback (CB) as a manner of untying things. If, after the use of CB everything is still tied make players send for the next round and the one with the best picks will win.

- Where two players play each other and both fail to send picks, then countback is used to split them and determine a winner (except for first round of Q or MD, of course).

- If you have a bye at any stage of the tournament, you should still send picks because if you do not, this will go against you in case of countback later on in the tournament.

Deadlines: Singles commitment deadline will be 3pm local time the day before qualifying begins.

Missing Someone's Commitment: In the case that you miss someone's commitment while managing a tournament he/she will be topping the Alt or LL lists.

Entry Lists/What rankings: For doing entry lists the last posted rankings will be used.

Number of Events Per Week: One can only play one event per week which includes (giving) walkovers or being replaced by an ALT.

3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts. An exception to the this rule is to be made for MTF TT players. If an MTF'er who has been a member there for at least 3 months and has over 100 posts there wishes to play tennis tipping on TF, he is now allowed to do so. However, such player must declare himself to the TT manager of that particular tournament and will have to be verified as an MTF member.

Sendind picks for someone else: Not allowed.

Commit in someone else: You can't commit in someone else. You can always commit in only yourself in singles and your doubles team. Difference is in doubles where you commit in your team and your partner doesn't have to confirm it.

Late Entries: There will be 1 commitment deadline and anyone entering after that deadline is an late entry. The deadline will only be extended if the MD is not full. Once the MD is full, everyone who commits after that stage, and after the initial commitment deadline is regarded as a late entry. Late entries should be sorted according to the commitment order.

So as a summary (for 32 MD):
- If I have less than 32 players at commitment deadline then I can fill up till 32 players with late entrants, and next after the 32th is Alt. If there aren´t any LEs available then highest ranked players on the Entry List will receive a BYE (example: 20 entrants in a 32 draw size 1st round => The 8 seeds + players ranked 9-12 get BYE)
- If I have 33-35 players then I can fill up to 36 players, 37th is an alt.
- If I have 37-43 players then I can fill up to 44 players, next is Alt. (Obviously if there is time)

LE can be seeded.

Use of Alternates/Lucky Losers: If someone's opponent doesn't send his/her picks, the opponent gets a BYE. If there's ALT/LL available, then this ALT/LL replaces the opponent who didn't send his/her picks.
LL1/ALT1 replaces opponent of the lowest ranked player in the draw, LL4/ALT4 ( if there are 4 people on the list, for example) replaces opponent of the highest ranked player in the draw.
Matches where neither send should be replaced first.
LL#1 vs LL#2 or LL#1 vs LL#4 and LL#2 vs LL#3 if there are two such matches etc.
And then rest of the LL are placed against the players who did send (but opponents did not)
If more spots than ALTs/LLs available, then place ALTs/LLs in a ranking order. That means that highest ranked players, whose opponent didn't send, get a BYE.

- Where there is a 1st round match in which BOTH players do not send picks, the following will happen:
1) 2 LLs or ALTs will replace the players
2) where only 1 LL/ALT is available, that LL replaces one of the players, the No.1 seed's opponent replaces the other player, and the No.1 seed receives a bye.
3) where no LL/ALT is available, the opponents of both the No.1 and No.2 seeds move to that part of the draw and both No.1 and No.2 seeds receive byes.
If the No.1 or No.2 seeds didn´t send picks then the opponents of No.3, No.4 or No.5 seeds etc. will move to that part of the draw and No.3/No.4/No.5 seeds will receive a BYE.
4) if more matches are in the same circumstances, the opponents of the lower seeded or highest ranked unseeded players will fill in the draw in the appropriate order.

Qualifying for Doha: Highest ranked players/teams determined by a ranking composed by the best 16 results that the players/teams have done throughout the year. Top 8 players and Top 8 teams shall qualify.

Qualifying for Bali: Highest ranked players that have won an international tournament and have not qualified for Doha. Qualification for Bali doubles will be based on race rankings, rather than on entry rankings. This will eliminate the situation from this year when someone qualified for both the Yec and for Bali doubles events.

- The situation with ALTs will remain the same. If you wish to be an ALT for Bali, then you cannot play in a challenger in the week of the Yec or of Bali.

Sending Picks: You MUST send picks to the manager in order for them to count. If for some reason you cannot send to the manager, then send to the emergency TT board email address (ttboard@hotmail.co.uk). In this case that you have to send your picks to the emergency email, please aware the manager of the tournament and at least one board member. If you attempt to send picks to the manager and the PM fails, then your picks will count as long as you can provide evidence that the picks were sent in time. If you cannot, then such picks will not count. If you send to your doubles partner, but forget to send to the manager, these picks will NOT count.
- where a player sends picks to the person who posts the OOP, then even when it is clearly marked who the PM should be sent to, if the player sends his picks to the person who posted the OOP or any other understandable person (eg the regular assistant manager) then picks CAN be accepted for play as long as they are forwarded to the rightful recipient (ie the manager) before the deadline for picks to be in.
(please note that this excludes doubles partners).

res #1

Great! Small this that bothers me is that the order of the rules is not so obvious now. Of course that's not really possible but, you know. :lol:

What does the LL thing mean?

Oh and I suggested something for the rankings in the other threads (do it like the WTA does and not just count the 17 best results regardless of whether the tournament is mandatory or not), wouldn't it be possible?

And I hope the standard 1st page comes out soon, we have tournaments beginning within a small week and I don't want players to blame me for posting a non-updated 1st page with wrong rules :p.

What does the LL thing mean?

Oh and I suggested something for the rankings in the other threads (do it like the WTA does and not just count the 17 best results regardless of whether the tournament is mandatory or not), wouldn't it be possible?

And I hope the standard 1st page comes out soon, we have tournaments beginning within a small week and I don't want players to blame me for posting a non-updated 1st page with wrong rules :p.

what do you mean?

we have the system best of 16 tournaments, I guess it's not possible to change it now.

I will do it tomorrow :)

what do you mean?

we have the system best of 16 tournaments, I guess it's not possible to change it now.
Forget about it, I got the LL rule.

Why isn't it possible? Well, just a suggestion to, IMO, improve the game.

Ondrej, I think you should also include the Tiebreak-rules in this thread, to have all rules in one thread. ;)

Ondrej, I think you should also include the Tiebreak-rules in this thread, to have all rules in one thread. ;)

I wanted it to be separated, I hope it's okay, I will link to this thread though.

I wanted it to be separated, I hope it's okay, I will link to this thread though.

I didn't see the other thread. If it gets sticky, it's ok how it is. ;)

I have a big question about the Q draws. So, if a Q Draw can have max. 32 players that means;

1. Two rounds for the 1st day of the tournament or
2. The tournament should start one day earlier or
3. Final q round should be the same day as 1st round

I need some advice here....

I have a big question about the Q draws. So, if a Q Draw can have max. 32 players that means;

1. Two rounds for the 1st day of the tournament or
2. The tournament should start one day earlier or
3. Final q round should be the same day as 1st round

I need some advice here....

Your auckland tourny is a 16 q-draw ;)

Ondrej, can you add the rule with 2 days OF's?

For WTA-tournaments with a 32 Player-MD-Field and 7 MD-days we use to have 2 days of OF. So if there is a Sunday final, Qualies starts Saturday and MD starts Monday.

updated :)

like this? ;)

Use of Alternates/Lucky Losers: If more spots than alternates, highest ranked players receive byes. Place in ranking order.

Where both players fail to send picks for a 1st round match and there are no LLs or ALTs to take their places, the highest-ranked players in that round will receive byes to rd2, and their previous opponents will play each other in the "problem match"

Yeah. Great :)
In addition, the line "place in ranking order" is a bit vague. The first ALT for QD/MD faces the lowest ranked player wihout opponent, and so on, right?

yes :)

Do you have to have 100 posts to play any challenger, international OR grandslam?

Yes.

doha is a 28 player field. so do the top 4 tt players receive a bye? according to the website: DRAW SIZE: 28 Main Draw/32 Qualies/16 Doubles

doha is a 28 player field. so do the top 4 tt players receive a bye? according to the website: DRAW SIZE: 28 Main Draw/32 Qualies/16 Doubles

No, we'll have a full draw. 32 MD / 16 Q / 16 D / 8 DQ

No, we'll have a full draw. 32 MD / 16 Q / 16 D / 8 DQ

thanks!:)

Hi,Ondrej, I think Ranking Rules should be included .

Hi,Ondrej, I think Ranking Rules should be included .

what exactly? :)

[QUOTE=Sexysova;19126803]what exactly? :)[/QUOTE:]:devil:ranking points count 16 best tournaments,please add it because newcomers may not know it.

what exactly? :):devil:ranking points count 16 best tournaments,please add it because newcomers may not know it.

updated :)

Rankings System: Best of 16. This means that your best 16 results throughout the year will be counted for your ranking.

Is there a PR for players who have been out for more than 6 months?

I stopped playing and I was like #3. :tape:

Is there a PR for players who have been out for more than 6 months?

I stopped playing and I was like #3. :tape:

no.

Can I please play this year

Can I please play this year

yes, but you need to have 100 posts and be a member for three months.

This thread was updated for 2012! New rules for 2012 are in blue. Older changes are in red. :)

Great job Ondrej. There's quite a lot of rules now in the FP. Maybe some way you can order them by subject?

some things were added to CB/”Looking Forwards” rule, all TT players should check it :)

3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts.

Really don't understand this rule.
:confused::confused::confused:

Really don't understand this rule.
:confused::confused::confused:

Couldn't agree more - they did it because it supposedly stops double accounts...and it also makes people lose interest and not bother :rolleyes:

Couldn't agree more - they did it because it supposedly stops double accounts...and it also makes people lose interest and not bother :rolleyes:

Double accounts can be checked by IP and other computerized ways... :rolleyes:

So that just forces me to spam around in the forum to get to the 100 posts. Hope I don't forget about logging in in 3 months time. :shrug:

3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts. An exception is made for veteran MTF players (if you have played TT for 3 months or longer on MTF, then you can play TT on TF immediately.

Double accounts can be checked by IP and other computerized ways... :rolleyes:

So that just forces me to spam around in the forum to get to the 100 posts. Hope I don't forget about logging in in 3 months time. :shrug:

Are you aware that there is a way to change your IP on purpose so you can have a different one every day if you want? Also MODS don't check IP of EVERY new users systematically. The 3 months and 100 post rule was helping to filter the possible double accounts so Mods could check their IP etc...

Anyway the new rules is more flexible for MTF player now so you should stop trolling around.

3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts. An exception is made for veteran MTF players (if you have played TT for 3 months or longer on MTF, then you can play TT on TF immediately.

Great news!!!

is there an exception for on MTF too?

is there an exception for on MTF too?

anybody can play tt on mtf. they don't have restrictions.

cool! thanks!

new changes on first page, they're:

3 Month + 100 posts Rule: One can only play this game if he has created an account in this forum at least 3 months ago AND has at least 100 posts. An exception to the this rule is to be made for MTF TT players. If an MTF'er who has been a member there for at least 3 months and has over 100 posts there wishes to play tennis tipping on TF, he is now allowed to do so. However, such player must declare himself to the TT manager of that particular tournament and will have to be verified as an MTF member.

2-days QF: For tournaments with a 32 Player-MD-Field and 7 MD-days we use to have 2 days of QF. So if there is a Sunday final, Qualies starts Saturday and MD starts Monday. Unless day one has less than four matches in total or no main draw matches. In that case, round 1 becomes a 2-day round instead of QF.

Challengers: Top 30 singles players and top 30 doubles players are now considered to be "late entrants" for all challenger/futures tt tournaments. the order of LE priority which they gain will be dependent on their reverse rankings (ie world #30 has first LE priority, world #1 has last)

NEW SR RULE: every match will now be a SR match. We used to have max 15 SR matches but from now we will have all matches SR

New Rule Regarding Picks Sent to the Wrong Person

- where a player sends picks to the person who posts the OOP, then even when it is clearly marked who the PM should be sent to, if the player sends his picks to the person who posted the OOP or any other understandable person (eg the regular assistant manager) then picks CAN be accepted for play as long as they are forwarded to the rightful recipient (ie the manager) before the deadline for picks to be in.
(please note that this excludes doubles partners, so if i sent my picks to slokid and not the manager, the picks will not be counted even if slokid forwards them.)

example of the rule in practice:

joe87 is the tournament manager. meelis posts the OOP for joe. chris 84 then sends his picks to meelis, having misread the instructions. if meelis forwards the picks to joe87 before the deadline, then the picks will count. if not, they will not count. meelis is not forced to forward the picks, and chris 84 cannot complain if he doesn't, because essentially it is all chris's fault for not reading the instructions.

New Rule Regarding sending picks to the wrong:

picks now CANNOT be accepted where a player attempts to send picks to the manager but spells the name wrongly in cases where the manager has posted the OOP.

eg Michael! posts the OOP and clearly states that picks have to be sent to him. chris 84 sends picks to Michael. instead. such picks will NOT now be counted.

So as a summary (for 32 MD):
- If I have less than 32 players at commitment deadline then I can fill up till 32 players with late entrants, and next after the 32th is Alt. If there aren´t any LEs available then highest ranked players on the Entry List will receive a BYE (example: 20 entrants in a 32 draw size 1st round => The 8 seeds + players ranked 9-12 get BYE)
- If I have 33-35 players then I can fill up to 36 players, 37th is an alt.
- If I have 37-43 players then I can fill up to 44 players, next is Alt. (Obviously if there is time)

Red part has been added to the rules, possible BYEs always go to the highest ranked players/teams on the Entry List and don´t get placed randomly!

- Where there is a 1st round match in which BOTH players do not send picks, the following will happen:
1) 2 LLs or ALTs will replace the players
2) where only 1 LL/ALT is available, that LL replaces one of the players, the No.1 seed's opponent replaces the other player, and the No.1 seed receives a bye.
3) where no LL/ALT is available, the opponents of both the No.1 and No.2 seeds move to that part of the draw and both No.1 and No.2 seeds receive byes.
If the No.1 or No.2 seeds didn´t send picks then the opponents of No.3, No.4 or No.5 seeds etc. will move to that part of the draw and No.3/No.4/No.5 seeds will receive a BYE.
4) if more matches are in the same circumstances, the opponents of the lower seeded or highest ranked unseeded players will fill in the draw in the appropriate order.

No new rule, just revised and updated! :p
Meelis should add that to 1st page soon also! :)