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Pops Maellard
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:11 AM
I'm sad at Elena's loss. :sad::explode:

However credit to Caro who as usual took her chances and took advantage of the inevitable dip in Lena's play.
http://i065.radikal.ru/1010/98/2489f22f7dde.jpg

Roookie
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:11 AM
Amazing :bowdown:...Caro is the Nadal of the WTA tour.

VIKA?
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:12 AM
Another title:inlove: so happy for Caro, well done:yeah::bounce:

Raz0r
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:12 AM
Oh my god... Lena :sobbing:

Vaidisova
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:12 AM
Congrats Caro!

Bronx19
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:12 AM
Worst final ever.

An embarrassment to tennis that game was. Dementieva just folds up with a double as usual.

saul1333
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:12 AM
Thank you Lena :hearts:

Yeahalrightidontcare :o

but good tourney for Lena :)

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:13 AM
Lena's level really fell :mad: :(
so brill in 1st set.

needs a good week in Beijing to have a shot in Doha

Josh.
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:13 AM
FFS :o

Vartan
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:13 AM
I'm so happy right now, yes! :sobbing:

Bronx19
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:13 AM
Amazing :bowdown:...Caro is the Nadal of the WTA tour.

Only Nadal beats people.

goldlion
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:13 AM
Caroline won, but she looked losing shape to me.

Hopefully she's not gonna tank next week.

goldenlox
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:13 AM
I thought at 22, 33, we were going to have a monster 3rd set.
Not sure why Lena folded up like that.

Keadz
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:13 AM
What a melt down from Lena, happy for Caro...but she didn't need to do much in that last set...

Quarter Final in Beijing and Caro is world number 1.

Singleniacki
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:13 AM
Another :help: match.

I am amazed at how Woz wins so many matches :speakles:

Hurley
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:14 AM
I couldn't even imagine being a Dementieva stan. Just when you think you've seen the epitome of lunacy at the end of one of her matches, she tops herself. And this is a decade running.

treufreund
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:14 AM
Caro really does remind me of Nadal because of the way she just wears her opponents down.

Danči Dementia
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:14 AM
why Elena?? :sad:


over and over and over again is the same :sad:


is too much :sad:

PLP
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:14 AM
The way Lena ended the match, 2 df's, ouch.

Caro did really well to come back after a crap 1st set. Lena started out well, but her play really dipped after that. Still, overall, some dramatic rallies, especially after Caroline had her little diva-fit in the 2nd set. :lol: Loved it.

Sorry Lena, GL in Beijing :hug:

Congrats on #11 Caroline!!!
:angel:

~{X}~
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:15 AM
Go Caro! Title Number 5 in 2010 and 11 overall. :D Keep it going, do well in Beijing!

goldenlox
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:15 AM
Caro really does remind me of Nadal because of the way she just wears her opponents down.Nadal started off winning FO's at 18.
But the way Nadal started improving at the other majors, maybe Caro is headed there.
She certainly makes these players work for a win.

Caralenko
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:15 AM
Heartbreaker. :o Whatever.

miffedmax
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:15 AM
Lena had her chances.

But I like Caro too (not as much by a long shot, but I like her) so that takes some of the sting out.

Lena's confidence is way down from the last couple of years. Even though she lost, hopefully this good run to a final will help rebuild it a little. I think mentality was the difference maker today.

But as long as a LOB member hoists the trophy, I'll call it a good week.

jimmy_the_greek
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:15 AM
congrats to caro!!:)

tennis-insomniac
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:16 AM
Caro :worship: great job I think I won't feel bad at all if you got your number 1 now Go caro :yeah:
Lena :hug: good run hope you'll continue good form in Beijing Go Lena :cheer/

Gdsimmons
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:16 AM
CAroline is no NAdal. Elena really should have won this match. She had so many 40-0 and 40-15 points on her serve. She would be in a winning position and then lose the point

miffedmax
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:19 AM
I couldn't even imagine being a Dementieva stan. Just when you think you've seen the epitome of lunacy at the end of one of her matches, she tops herself. And this is a decade running.

Have a friend drop a brick on your groin from the top of a ten story building. That should give you a very accurate approximation.

goldenlox
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:19 AM
I think all Caro has to do to get to #1 is win 2 matches in Beijing.
If she wins the title, she opens up a little room.
I dont see how she is not #1 if she plays like this at the AO, with Serena defending points at YEC, Sydney and Melbourne

PMBH
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:20 AM
You might as well get used to it, guys. Caro is the next superstar of women's tennis. She just continues to improve her game.

Havok
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:21 AM
Win a Grand Slam already, or at the very least make another final! Else you are a joke.

M.P
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:21 AM
the level of elena droped like from 99% to 50%

Jean-Henri
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:22 AM
I am so happy for this win.
Caro never liked or got adjusted to the fast court during this tournament, and still she get the throphy.
Add another 3setter won to her statistics now, and another thrilling match against Elena.

treufreund
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:22 AM
Nadal started off winning FO's at 18.
But the way Nadal started improving at the other majors, maybe Caro is headed there.
She certainly makes these players work for a win.

What does Nadal winning FO's at 18 have to do with what I wrote? I wrote that she reminds me of him because she wears people down.

Slutiana
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:22 AM
Amazing :bowdown:...Caro is the Nadal of the WTA tour.

Caro really does remind me of Nadal because of the way she just wears her opponents down.
I'm guessing you have never seen Rafa play, then?

This is the dawn of a new era of the WTA. Opportunists rule as the top players stay MIA and slumping.

Serenita
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:24 AM
I think all Caro has to do to get to #1 is win 2 matches in Beijing.
If she wins the title, she opens up a little room.
I dont see how she is not #1 if she plays like this at the AO, with Serena defending points at YEC, Sydney and Melbourne
Basicly. There is no one, except Vera Venus Serena and maybe Clijsters who can stop her none of them are playing. :o

goldenlox
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:26 AM
After the AO there could be a good battle for #1, if Serena and/or Kim want to go get it from Caro.

It could be very interesting next year.

Its time for a 2011 predictions thread :cool:

Marty-Dom
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:29 AM
Very few exciting rallies in the three sets. It felt like they played the same 3 or 4 points over and over.

Bronx19
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:33 AM
You might as well get used to it, guys. Caro is the next superstar of women's tennis. She just continues to improve her game.

LMFAO!

I know you're just trolling, but still.

goldenlox
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:35 AM
LMFAO!

I know you're just trolling, but still.She is definately improving. She never has a run like this the way she was playing in 2008.
She is definately getting better, and at times she was trying to be aggressive this match and force the action.

Gdsimmons
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:36 AM
What was the Winners to Unforced?? I know damn near 80% of Caroline's points came from Dementieva spraying shots all over the place

Bronx19
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:38 AM
She is definately improving. She never has a run like this the way she was playing in 2008.
She is definately getting better, and at times she was trying to be aggressive this match and force the action.

After watching her last two matches, its a long stretch to say she has improved.

I'd hate to see how her father screams at her when she reached her peak.

Caralenko
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:39 AM
What was the Winners to Unforced?? I know damn near 80% of Caroline's points came from Dementieva spraying shots all over the place

Caroline didn't hit a winner in the first set but hit 13 errors :sobbing:

C. W. Fields
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:40 AM
Elena played sublime tennis in the 1st set. She landed all her 1st serves but one and almost all her big shots landed right where they should. But Caro also gave her every opportunity to play well. Many of her shots were too short and set up a winning shot for Elena, and when she tried to hit deep the ball usually went long. There was also too little power in her serve, maybe because she had a slight back problem. Her serving power didn't improve as the match went on, but her placement got better.
In 2nd and 3rd set Caro raised her level of play. Her groundstrokes became deeper and she started hitting winners. Her play wasn't so outstanding Elena at her best couldn't have matched her, but she didn't have the mental strength to deal with suddenly tougher opposition and she started hitting many errors. Elena soon lost her selfconfidence completely. In the last two sets you saw many instances where Elena had the chance to go for a winner but didn't dare press her shot and just kept the ball in play. In 3rd set Caro was mentally on top almost the whole way even when she needlessly lost her serve to 2-2. In the last 4 games you could clearly see who believed in herself and who didn't.
If we could make a player who posessed Elena's 1st set skills and Caro's mental strength in 2nd and 3rd set we would have a near perfect tennis player!

Slutiana
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:44 AM
She is definately improving. She never has a run like this the way she was playing in 2008.
In 2008 she was usually shut out by a top player as she moved deeper into the event. She has faced only five top 10 players in 2010, and most of them are the likes of Radwanska, slumping Schiavone etc.

THAT'S the biggest difference.

Gdsimmons
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:45 AM
In 2008 she was usually shut out by a top player as she moved deeper into the event. She has faced only five top 10 players in 2010, and most of them are the likes of Radwanska, slumping Schiavone etc.

THAT'S the biggest difference.

:worship::worship:

Let Kim, Justine and Serena get healthy. Please

riftraft
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:46 AM
why so many caroline haters? there are so many ball bashers with no strategy on the wta tour. her game is nice to watch.

Martian Jeza
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:47 AM
For some people she'll never do anything good : she's lucky, the others suck, she doesn't deserve it, some top players weren't there ( Maybe that's Caroline who inflicted them their injuries ), she'll never be this, she'll never be that : well some biased people will never change ! And some wannabe experts of tennis.

Congratulations, Sunshine on a much deserved title ! She'll be for a long time in the top 10 : that you like it or not ! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Slutiana
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:50 AM
In 2008 she was usually shut out by a top player as she moved deeper into the event. She has faced only five top 10 players in 2010, and most of them are the likes of Radwanska, slumping Schiavone etc.

THAT'S the biggest difference.

Australian Open Hard Jan 27 2008
1 Wozniacki - Gisela Dulko 6-1 6-1
2 Wozniacki - Alyona Bondarenko(21) 7-64 6-1
3 Wozniacki - Sabine Lisicki-Q 4-6 6-4 6-3
4 Ana Ivanovic(4) - Wozniacki 6-1 7-62


Fed Cup Zonal Gr I Carpet Feb 1 2008
Patty Schnyder-sui - Wozniacki 6-1 7-66
Wozniacki - Katie O'Brien-gbr 6-2 1-6 6-2


Doha Tier I Hard Feb 24 2008
1 Wozniacki - Yung Jan Chan 3-6 6-2 6-3
2 Wozniacki - Marion Bartoli(8) 6-2 6-3
3 Wozniacki - Anabel Medina Garrigues 3-6 7-63 6-3
QF Maria Sharapova(4) - Wozniacki 6-0 6-1


Memphis Tier III Hard Mar 2 2008
1 Wozniacki(6) - Milagros Sequera 6-0 6-2
2 Wozniacki(6) - Michelle Larcher de Brito-WC 6-2 6-4
QF Lindsay Davenport(4) - Wozniacki(6) 6-0 6-2


Indian Wells Tier I Hard Mar 23 2008
1 Wozniacki - Melinda Czink-Q 6-2 7-64
2 Wozniacki - Maria Kirilenko(18) 6-2 6-0
3 Wozniacki - Aiko Nakamura-LL 6-0 6-2
4 Svetlana Kuznetsova(2) - Wozniacki 6-2 6-3


Miami Tier I Hard Apr 6 2008
1 Wozniacki - Tszvetana Pironkova 6-4 7-5
2 Wozniacki - Marion Bartoli(9) 6-3 6-1
3 Wozniacki - Katarina Srebotnik(22) 2-6 6-3 6-1
4 Venus Williams(6) - Wozniacki 6-3 6-3


Amelia Island Tier II Clay Apr 13 2008
1 Wozniacki - Pauline Parmentier 6-3 6-1
2 Alyona Bondarenko(10) - Wozniacki 6-3 3-6 6-3


Berlin Tier I Clay May 11 2008
1 Wozniacki - Tatiana Golovin 7-64 6-2 Didn't happen.
2 Gisela Dulko - Wozniacki 6-2 7-5


Rome Tier I Clay May 18 2008
1 Wozniacki - Tamira Paszek 6-3 6-0
2 Wozniacki - Ekaterina Makarova-LL 6-3 6-4
3 Maria Sharapova(2) - Wozniacki 6-4 7-63


Roland Garros Clay Jun 8 2008
1 Wozniacki(30) - Yvonne Meusburger 6-0 6-2
2 Wozniacki(30) - Anastasiya Yakimova-Q 6-0 6-4
3 Ana Ivanovic(2) - Wozniacki(30) 6-4 6-1


Eastbourne Tier II Grass Jun 22 2008
1 Wozniacki - Tszvetana Pironkova-Q 6-3 6-2
2 Wozniacki - Svetlana Kuznetsova(1) 6-2 6-2
QF Samantha Stosur - Wozniacki 7-63 6-4


Wimbledon Grass Jul 6 2008
1 Wozniacki(31) - Eva Hrdinova-Q 6-2 7-5
2 Wozniacki(31) - Aleksandra Wozniak 6-1 6-1
3 Jelena Jankovic(2) - Wozniacki(31) 2-6 6-4 6-2


Bad Gastein Tier III Clay Jul 20 2008
1 Wozniacki(3) - Su-Wei Hsieh 6-1 6-1
2 Mariya Koryttseva - Wozniacki(3) 6-4 4-6 7-65


Portoroz Tier IV Clay Jul 27 2008
1 Wozniacki(3) - Andreja Klepac-WC 7-5 6-0
2 Wozniacki(3) - Karolina Sprem-WC 6-1 6-1
QF Wozniacki(3) - Vera Douchevina 6-0 6-1
SF Sara Errani(8) - Wozniacki(3) 6-4 6-4


Stockholm Tier IV Hard Aug 3 2008
1 Wozniacki(4) - Angelique Kerber-Q 6-3 6-4
2 Wozniacki(4) - Emma Laine-WC 6-1 6-0
QF Wozniacki(4) - Anabel Medina Garrigues(5) 6-1 6-3
SF Wozniacki(4) - Agnieszka Radwanska(1) 6-4 6-1
F Wozniacki(4) - Vera Douchevina 6-0 6-2


Olympic Games Tier I Hard Aug 17 2008
1 Wozniacki - Selima Sfar 6-4 6-1
2 Wozniacki - Daniela Hantuchova(10) 6-1 6-3
3 Elena Dementieva(5) - Wozniacki 7-63 6-2


New Haven Tier II Hard Aug 24 2008
1 Wozniacki - Dominika Cibulkova(8) 7-67
2 Wozniacki - Monica Niculescu-Q 6-3 6-3
QF Wozniacki - Marion Bartoli(3) 6-4 6-0
SF Wozniacki - Alize Cornet(7) 7-5 6-4
F Wozniacki - Anna Chakvetadze(1) 3-6 6-4 6-1


US Open Hard Sep 7 2008
1 Wozniacki(21) - Ahsha Rolle-WC 6-2 6-1
2 Wozniacki(21) - Maria Elena Camerin-Q 6-1 6-2
3 Wozniacki(21) - Viktoria Azarenka(14) 6-4 6-4
4 Jelena Jankovic(2) - Wozniacki(21) 3-6 6-2 6-1


Pan Pacific Open Tier I Hard Sep 21 2008
1 Katarina Srebotnik-Q - Wozniacki 6-1 6-2


Beijing Tier II Hard Sep 28 2008
1 Anabel Medina Garrigues - Wozniacki(9) 7-63 6-4


Japan Open Tier III Hard Oct 5 2008
1 Wozniacki(1) - Gisela Dulko 4-6 6-0 6-3
2 Wozniacki(1) - Ayumi Morita-WC 6-2 6-1
QF Wozniacki(1) - Tamarine Tanasugarn(7) 6-4 6-1
SF Wozniacki(1) - Jarmila Groth-LL 6-4 6-3
F Wozniacki(1) - Kaia Kanepi(5) 6-2 3-6 6-1


Moscow Tier I Hard Oct 12 2008
1 Wozniacki - Anna Chakvetadze(8) 2-6 6-1 6-4
2 Nadia Petrova - Wozniacki 6-4 3-2


Zurich Tier II Hard Oct 19 2008
1 Francesca Schiavone - Wozniacki 7-63 6-2


Luxembourg Tier III Hard Oct 26 2008
1 Wozniacki(4) - Timea Bacsinszky 6-2 6-3
2 Wozniacki(4) - Shuai Peng 6-4 6-4
QF Wozniacki(4) - Anabel Medina Garrigues(7) 6-1 7-67
SF Wozniacki(4) - Na Li(6) 7-61 3-6 6-2
F Elena Dementieva(1) - Wozniacki(4) 2-6 6-4 7-64


Odense $100,000 Carpet Nov 23 2008
1 Wozniacki(1) - Dia Evtimova 6-2 6-2
2 Wozniacki(1) - Hanne Skak Jensen 6-2 6-1
QF Wozniacki(1) - Julia Schruff 6-3 6-2
SF Wozniacki(1) - Stephanie Foretz(6) 7-62 7-5
F Wozniacki(1) - Sofia Arvidsson(2) 6-2 6-1

Now all of those players are either slumping, injured or OVA.

Martian Jeza
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:53 AM
How cute to still live in the past, Slutiana, isn't it ? She has improved a lot since then but in your eyes, she'll never be good and you'll bash her like there was no tomorrow ! How can people take you seriously ? You gotta be kidding me !

Pops Maellard
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:53 AM
For some people she'll never do anything good : she's lucky, the others suck, she doesn't deserve it, some top players weren't there ( Maybe that's Caroline who inflicted them their injuries ), she'll never be this, she'll never be that : well some biased people will never change ! And some wannabe experts of tennis.

Congratulations, Sunshine on a much deserved title ! She'll be for a long time in the top 10 : that you like it or not ! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Where the hell did this come from? I didn't see any hateful comments, only people disappointed that Elena lost. :confused:

EDIT: Until I was outposted that is. :sobbing:

Marionated
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:55 AM
Eurgh.

This is what happens when the Belgians and the sisters are absent :help:

PMBH
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:59 AM
Caro really does remind me of Nadal because of the way she just wears her opponents down.

I wouldn't compare Caro with Nadal although there are certain similarities. She'll never be able to dominate her opponents the way Nadal does simply by overpowering them. Caro's more resemblant of Jimmy Connors. Like Caro, Connors didn't have any particular weapons but had a great overall game. He was also incredibly strong mentally and very consistent in his performances. Perhaps that's why Old Jimbo is still mentioned as a potential coach for Caro when/if Piotr retires...?

stangtennis
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:59 AM
http://www.tennisforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=56140&stc=1&d=1286002761

Bronx19
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:00 AM
why so many caroline haters? there are so many ball bashers with no strategy on the wta tour. her game is nice to watch.

Nope, nice to watch are Schiavone, Sanchez, Schnyder ect.

Hitting the ball up the middle all day is boring and barely a strategy.

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:03 AM
The way Lena ended the match, 2 df's, ouch.

Caro did really well to come back after a crap 1st set. Lena started out well, but her play really dipped after that. Still, overall, some dramatic rallies, especially after Caroline had her little diva-fit in the 2nd set. :lol: Loved it.

Sorry Lena, GL in Beijing :hug:

Congrats on #11 Caroline!!!
:angel:

I found that whole episode highly amusing but I'm still not clear on exactly what happened. Caroline lost the point due to an interference call? I don't think I've ever heard of that before. I guess she screamed when she thought her return was out when it was actually in and the point went to Dementieva because she was distracted by Wozniacki's scream? Seems like an odd call when you consider how much noise some of the players make.

Caroline seems to be complaining to the chair umpire more often than usual. If she keeps it up she will earn herself a new nickname: Poutniacki.

Elena's serve was amazing in the first set! I don't know her exact numbers but it has to be close to her best ever service performance in a single set, especially against a top five player.

I'm glad that Caroline won but I feel really badly for Elena. It seemed like she had the match won but then she kind of collapsed and gave Wozniacki too many easy points. It seemed like in the third set Elena was spraying a lot of balls just a little bit wide. Still, Caroline deserves a lot of credit for staying in the match and fighting her way back for the win.

Martian Jeza
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:04 AM
Where the hell did this come from? I didn't see any hateful comments, only people disappointed that Elena lost. :confused:

EDIT: Until I was outposted that is. :sobbing:

Anticipation, Anticipation...

Mekoro
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:06 AM
Caro really does remind me of Nadal because of the way she just wears her opponents down.


I made the same comparison!

But she reminds the Nadal of 2005, stronger mentally than his opponents, with a rock solid defense and great counter abilities with patience in the rallies and waiting to take his chance or to pu the opponent out of position.
The difference is that Nadal had (and even more now) a way better forehand and was already invincible on clay unlike Caroline who play better on hardcourt and has trouble against top players when Nadal was a "big match player" at 17.

Nadal has developped scary weapons and is now one of the msot complete player ever and on his way to become one of the best ever. Can Wozniacki evolve a little in this direction? Not as much probably but a little would already be good.

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:15 AM
In 2008 she was usually shut out by a top player as she moved deeper into the event. She has faced only five top 10 players in 2010, and most of them are the likes of Radwanska, slumping Schiavone etc.

THAT'S the biggest difference.

I'm not sure if this is still true but I believe that during the U.S. Open one of the commentators mentioned that Wozniacki had not played anyone in 2010 that was in the top five. Now, if that is true it's not quite as shocking as it might sound. Obviously, Caroline is playing a lot of matches but the problem is that the other top players are not. For sure it makes her accomplishments seem less than they are but is it her fault that the top players play as infrequently as they do? I realise that she often gets slagged for being an opportunist but what is she supposed to do? Unfortunately for Caroline I believe that if she did play more of the top players I think it could only help her game. For sure she would have more losses but I think she would benefit from playing against the best and seeing what she needs to improve in order to beat them. I'm hoping that we see Caroline and Serena play at the YEC and next year at the Australian Open. She may well have her ass handed to her but in the long run that may be just what she needs.

C. W. Fields
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:18 AM
For some people she'll never do anything good : she's lucky, the others suck, she doesn't deserve it, some top players weren't there ( Maybe that's Caroline who inflicted them their injuries ), she'll never be this, she'll never be that : well some biased people will never change ! And some wannabe experts of tennis.


Yes, in 2010 Caro has beaten Dementieva (2), Zvonareva, Schiavone, Sharapova, Azarenka, Kuznetsova, Radwanska (2), Petrova (3), Pennetta (2/3) etc. She has won more matches/tournaments/race points than anyone else this year, but none of that is worth anything. It's always the opponent being bad, never Caro being good. You only see the 'real' Caro when she loses. :shrug:

Slutiana
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:21 AM
I'm not sure if this is still true but I believe that during the U.S. Open one of the commentators mentioned that Wozniacki had not played anyone in 2010 that was in the top five. Now, if that is true it's not quite as shocking as it might sound. Obviously, Caroline is playing a lot of matches but the problem is that the other top players are not. For sure it makes her accomplishments seem less than they are but is it her fault that the top players play as infrequently as they do? I realise that she often gets slagged for being an opportunist but what is she supposed to do? Unfortunately for Caroline I believe that if she did play more of the top players I think it could only help her game. For sure she would have more losses but I think she would benefit from playing against the best and seeing what she needs to improve in order to beat them. I'm hoping that we see Caroline and Serena play at the YEC and next year at the Australian Open. She may well have her ass handed to her but in the long run that may be just what she needs.
No, it's not her fault at all. I've never blamed her for it and while it's a big congratulations to her, when people talk about how much she has improved and how amazing she is now, it's categorically wrong. Her success is down more to the tour falling apart over the last two years, rather than her reaching a level that no one can match.

And yup. Her top 10 matches this year:

S (5) Radwanska, Agnieszka (POL) 8 W 6-2 6-3
F (6) Jankovic, Jelena (SRB) 9 L 6-2 6-4
Q (6) Schiavone, Francesca (ITA)7 W 6-3 6-2
S (7) Zvonareva, Vera (RUS) 8 L 6-4 6-3
Q (6) Radwanska, Agnieszka (POL) 9 W 5-0 ret.

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:22 AM
I made the same comparison!

But she reminds the Nadal of 2005, stronger mentally than his opponents, with a rock solid defense and great counter abilities with patience in the rallies and waiting to take his chance or to pu the opponent out of position.
The difference is that Nadal had (and even more now) a way better forehand and was already invincible on clay unlike Caroline who play better on hardcourt and has trouble against top players when Nadal was a "big match player" at 17.

Nadal has developped scary weapons and is now one of the msot complete player ever and on his way to become one of the best ever. Can Wozniacki evolve a little in this direction? Not as much probably but a little would already be good.

I don't entirely agree but I can see your point, especially in relation to the younger players. Lately I've been wondering what would happen if Caroline somehow managed to snag Uncle Tony as her coach. When you look at all the areas that Nadal was able to drastically improve his game it makes you wonder what Wozniacki would be like with a much bigger serve and a Nadal like forehand. Sure, I'm probably living in a fantasy land but, darn it, I like it here.

Fantasy Hero
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:25 AM
i'm a bit disappointed by Elena, i really expected her to win (mostly because of flavia's curse), but at the same time i'm happy for Caro, this win takes her closer to the n°1 spot, and i won't hear a single one saying she doesn't deserve it as she's the only player who has been an avarage good tennis for the whole season and it's not her fault if the other "big" ones are in a slump or don't show up. remember that abstents are always wrong!

stangtennis
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:28 AM
Lately I've been wondering what would happen if Caroline somehow managed to snag Uncle Tony as her coach.
He would make her play with her left hand just like he made Rafa switch to using his left hand :lol:

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:31 AM
No, it's not her fault at all. I've never blamed her for it and while it's a big congratulations to her, when people talk about how much she has improved and how amazing she is now, it's categorically wrong. Her success is down more to the tour falling apart over the last two years, rather than her reaching a level that no one can match.

Eh, you may be half right. She may be benefiting from a slightly weaker field but she has surely made some big improvements to her game. I would not say that she is at a level that no one can match, she isn't, but she is steadily getting better.

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:32 AM
He would make her play with her left hand just like he made Rafa switch to using his left hand :lol:

Hmm, that just might work!:lol:

Mistress of Evil
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:40 AM
Be a headcase Lena:sobbing: Just be healthy.I believe Lena injured herself at 3-3 in the 3rd she did not sit on her chair and was checking her hip. :bigcry: As to Wozniacki, congratz on the N1 but I cannot make myself enjoy watchin a player who does not het a single winner in 10 games. Not a hater but the comparasion with Nadal is hilarious. Since he won the French at 18, he has been improving every single aspect of his game such as his vollley,serve and so on. However, Caroline has not changed a single thing in her playing stylye since 2008, her body just got stronger and added some more muscles.

justineheninfan
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:51 AM
Only 10 winners for Woz. Bleh, dissapointing from her even though she won. She has to do better than that if she is to ever be a REAL #1 or win slams.

-NAJ-
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:51 AM
Congratulations to Caroline.
after bad 1st set, she played ok in 2nd. Dementieva's bh is useless

Foals.
Oct 2nd, 2010, 07:54 AM
Elena you idiot :o The first set was always going to be too good to be true but that dip in the final set :help: Truly Demented.

Joelina
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:07 AM
Elena :help: what happened?

Ben.
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:15 AM
Congrats Caro! :yeah: Her consistency over the past few months continues :D
Good luck attempting to get the No.1 ranking in Beijing :) And if she gets it, she deserves it, so some people will have to deal with it.

Lena :hug: getting back to her old form slowly, but surely. 1st set was an indication of what she is capable of. Don't know why people are that harsh on her for making the DF's, yes they came at unfortunate moments but she very played well all week.

terjw
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:17 AM
:bowdown::woohoo: Well done Caro.

She's very proud and happy of her 11th title and rightly so. It's also her 5th win this year. That's more than anyone has done since 2007. Now go win Beijing.

I don't know what it is - there's something in the way she looks - but I think whereas last year she thought she could beat every player she played - she just looks like she thinks she should beat her opponents nowadays (I'm excluding the big four for now). But Lena, Sveta. Vika, Aga even Masha now - inwardly I think she expects to win. She's still got the utmost respect and knows she has to fight really hard but inwardly she believes she should win even if it's a bad 1st set.

Incidentally - with all this whining and moaning the tour is bad - I don't think it's ever been so strong for players ranked 11-20.

Inger67
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:26 AM
Woooo! At all of you who said Caro would never win a tier 1 title :rocker: or defeat a #1 :rocker2: You have been proven wrong. Get that #1 spot Caro!!!!

Jorn
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:45 AM
Well done Caro! :)


There was many ues from ED (44), but that was forced errors after Caro did play better!

ZODIAC
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:47 AM
congrats Caro!

JadeFox
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:50 AM
Yay for Caro! I'm glad she can win these matches even when she's not playing her best. Now I want her to improve at Beijing as well.

And a :hug: for Dementieva. She played well all week, and has always been a strong top ten player. Well done.

kman
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:58 AM
WTF! She won?!

I went back to bed after the first set thinking Caroline looked nothing like herself. She looked tired and unfocused and was spraying errors everywhere.

Then I wake up again and check a Danish news site and it says Caroline won in the headlines. I couldn't believe it.

What an amazing fighter she is. Now I wish I would've stayed up to watch her claw her way back.

flareon
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:59 AM
Elena :o caro hit 0 winners in first set. :weirdo:

scoobz
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:59 AM
Congrats Caro, she's out there getting it done against whoever is on the other side of the net. She cannot be blamed if whatever is on the other side of the net is not a top 5 player or that the rest of the top 10 this year barely show up physically, and if they do, don't bother to show up mentally.

Still, it's a damning indictment on the tour that the season is virtually over, she's not played a top 5 player all year, only 5 top 10 players, and looks very likely to get to #1 with only reaching 1 slam SF.

So much for the roadmap.

Still, it's easy to blame the WTA when the real problem is the women themselves - we need a new generation of players to come through who are fit, mentally strong, motivated to play the tour and entertaining to watch. Because unfortunately, right now, the majority of the tennis being played on the WTA tour is dross.

TennisFan66
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:00 AM
Yes, in 2010 Caro has beaten Dementieva (2), Zvonareva, Schiavone, Sharapova, Azarenka, Kuznetsova, Radwanska (2), Petrova (3), Pennetta (2/3) etc. She has won more matches/tournaments/race points than anyone else this year, but none of that is worth anything. It's always the opponent being bad, never Caro being good. You only see the 'real' Caro when she loses. :shrug:

You could add, won the most WTA tournaments this year and during the last 3 years. Its all a fluke :lol: Made the most finals in 2009 too. Still a fluke. The opponent 'beat herself' ..

WD Caro, you are amaze :worship: .. Fab 1st set from Elena, obviously. Not so much from Caro. No point going into semantics and details, as usual Caro threads are filled up with the usual trolls.

Adult discussion is futile ...

Steven.
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:00 AM
elena finished first set with 94% first serves in............................

DragonFlame
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:05 AM
Elena:o, i guess now you have to beat caro in beijing and do really well. Caro has no.1 on her racket now.

Jorn
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:09 AM
Anybody watching on ES?

What happen at 4-2 in 2nd set? Caro said "aee" but others can like ED make noice after every shot...

Caro was docked a point for a noise she made infight....

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:09 AM
Karolina, thank God you won :hearts:

goldlion
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:10 AM
Caroline's like JJ in 2008.

I just wish her to be more comfortable dealing with the short balls and coming to the net more with a killer shot. She's improved the velocity of her serve. But to be honest, she looked crappy the entire match and did what she usually does the best - retrieving the balls; as the commentators said, she's not gonna be losing the point but u have to win it from her. It's sometimes really frustrating to see she's just blocking all the balls back. It's smart strategy but terrible to watch.

Elena, thought you had a chance but you blew it away. GL next week

Otlichno
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:25 AM
FFS Elena! :lol: It's like New Haven all over again! :rolleyes:

Martian Jeza
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:29 AM
Elena :o caro hit 0 winners in first set. :weirdo:

Caroline was an error feast during the 1st set and at the other side, Elena played well !

A-Bond
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:32 AM
Well it sucks, it's another bad loss to Caro after New Haven and it's just depressing to watch a match like this. I don't like Caro either but I (have to) accept that she'll dominate the big Tournaments from now on. I mean I don't know how long the Sisters are playing and Henin and Clijsters are clearly not playing enough Tournaments to grab that #1 spot from Caro. I just hate to see how all these Players destroy themselves against Caro and Women's Tennis has just nothing more which is interesting for me. I loved the Tennis from 2005-2007 but since then it's been a disaster and hopefully I'll find a way to get any distance from WOMEN'S TENNIS because I don't want to torture myself anymore. I waste SO much time in that shitty sport, just to see how every player fucks it up finally against Caro. And there's definitely more to live and watch than Pushniacki.

I know it sounds odd but I'm finished with Women's Tennis (unless Alona wins a GS :lol:).

Jorn
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:32 AM
Btw, I hope they can play again next week in China QF! Thats will mean Caro will be No. 1!

DragonFlame
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:38 AM
Im watching the third set on eurosport now. Elena looks to have trouble with her thigh again at 3-2. She was walking around instead of sitting down at the changeover 0_0. Damn it... I think its the same injury she had trouble with in the middle of the year. Guess we have to see how it does in beijing. :( Maybe our fit as hell elenaD isnt as fit as hell anymore now that she's getting older...

claypova
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:40 AM
Lena oh Lena :o :o :o out of all players, why are you ceboming Caro's bitch :bigcry:

congrats Caro i guess. I'm finally kind of accepting her. :yeah: (thats a real breakthrough for me :sobbing:)

Lena, kick ass in Beijing and get a spot in the YECCC!!!!!

tievae
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:48 AM
Oh Elena. :unsure: :help: Congrats to Caro on winning her first Tokyo (Toray Pan Pacific Open) title.

gdmirou
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:52 AM
Yes, in 2010 Caro has beaten Dementieva (2), Zvonareva, Schiavone, Sharapova, Azarenka, Kuznetsova, Radwanska (2), Petrova (3), Pennetta (2/3) etc. She has won more matches/tournaments/race points than anyone else this year, but none of that is worth anything. It's always the opponent being bad, never Caro being good. You only see the 'real' Caro when she loses. :shrug:

Well said, CWF!:)

Good day, Sunshine!!!:worship::worship::worship:

Michael!
Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:11 AM
Well done Elena, just too stupid to win it, really disappointing, :o

homogenius
Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:12 AM
Lena is Wozniacki's bitch :sad:

kman
Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:17 AM
Anybody watching on ES?

What happen at 4-2 in 2nd set? Caro said "aee" but others can like ED make noice after every shot...

.

Huh?

ElusiveChanteuse
Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:28 AM
Oh yes Caro! You go Miss Sunshine!:cheer: #1 #1 #1!:dance:

Mynarco
Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:33 AM
RIP Tennis

Dodoboy.
Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:46 AM
Caro :yeah:

Another great win, almost unstoppable these days, just beats everyone in front of her! I do agree with that stat about the whole not facing top 5 players this year. She hasn't even played Venus or Serena this year but yet she's going to be #1 in the world. She hasn't even played Clijsters.

It does take the sting out of her ranking a bit, but it's not her fault. At the moment she's beating the people in front of her, nothing else she can do.

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:54 AM
:cheer:

Blu€
Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:59 AM
Yay! Caro :worship: another title! way to turn around the season! One step closer :cheer:
Lena :hug:, it was a good week for a change ;) Do well in Beijing :kiss:

Human Nature
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:02 AM
:bounce:

Caro proves again

Now where is Zvonareva :lol:

AcesHigh
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:12 AM
:worship: Keep people on TF angry, Caro :lol:

Brena
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:22 AM
http://svabotralala.glasovi.org/images/smilies/me.gif

Elenaelenaelenaelenaaaaaaa.... :sobbing:

GreenGrass
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:25 AM
Yay Caro! :) :bigclap:
Elena :rolleyes:

brickhousesupporter
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:27 AM
Come on now. Why are people disappointed? Did you actually expect Elena to win this?

Beat
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:33 AM
a staggering performance from both players. and as the icing on the cake, mariana alves has one of her moments of glory, too. :o

Ryan
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:40 AM
:bowdown: WD Caro, glad she won this. :tape: Stats from both players, but a win is a win. Win Beijing now. ;)

olivero
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:49 AM
Never in doubt. Well done Caro.

Lena just looses her brain against good defenders.

Hian
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:50 AM
Lena :sobbing:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:53 AM
a staggering performance from both players. and as the icing on the cake, mariana alves has one of her moments of glory, too. :o

I though it was Eva as the umpire??

Anyway, this match was horrid! Thank God for Maury!

Ellery
Oct 2nd, 2010, 11:54 AM
Caro :hearts:

*Jool*
Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:00 PM
:yeah: congrats Future N°1 ! :worship:
you deserve it !

Cosmologist
Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:02 PM
another low quality match

slamchamp
Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:24 PM
Gotta love the top players nowadays:rolleyes:

homogenius
Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:31 PM
not her fault at all but the bandwagoning on Woz is nauseating

smarties
Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:34 PM
What a mental midget :rolleyes:

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:37 PM
Elena :o caro hit 0 winners in first set. :weirdo:

Understandable when you consider that Elena served possibly the best set of her life and that Caroline only managed to win a single game in that set.

kman
Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:48 PM
not her fault at all but the bandwagoning on Woz is nauseating

You mean her hater bandwagon... which is slowly falling apart... and bursting into flames.... while running off a cliff... with you as the chauffeur.

kman
Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:56 PM
Now where is Zvonareva :lol:
Beaten to a pulp by Dementieva. Besides, she can't beat Caroline in a final. Just look at Montreal.

"the 20-year-old Dane completely dominated 25-year-old Russian Vera Zvonareva 6-3, 6-2 to capture her ninth career title and third of the year. The one-sided match lasted just 74 minutes."

Wasn't it her tenth title though?

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 12:57 PM
Anybody watching on ES?

What happen at 4-2 in 2nd set? Caro said "aee" but others can like ED make noice after every shot...

.

Strange, I commented on this in another thread that seems to have disappeared. I think there was a separate thread that dealt just the final but it looks like it was deleted. I wonder why it was deleted?

Caroline had an interference call against her. These are fairly rare calls. I think that the only other one that springs to mind is many years ago when some of the beads in Serena's hair came loose and fell onto the court during a point. I think what happened was that Caroline hit a return that was in but she thought it was out and screamed. I believe Elena returned it but it landed out. Caroline thought that she should have won the point but the chair empire decided that Caroline's scream affected Elena's return and the point went to Dementieva. I could have some of the details wrong but I think that is what happened. It did seem like kind of an odd call when you consider the noise that some of the other players make but it didn't matter. After the interference call the game was at deuce and Caroline won the next two points to win the game so even if it was a bad call against her it did not effect the outcome of the game.

If anyone can explain this better than me please do so. I was pretty confused by the whole thing and might have some of the details wrong.

homogenius
Oct 2nd, 2010, 01:01 PM
You mean her hater bandwagon... which is slowly falling apart... and bursting into flames.... while running off a cliff... with you as the chauffeur.

most of her new fans were "haters" and we'll jump off the bandwagon at the first occasion (= when her results will start to suck).And FYI Piotr, I don't hate Woz, I just can't find a thing likeable in her (be it her game, personality etc...).

jefrilibra
Oct 2nd, 2010, 01:11 PM
OH Elena! I knew you could do it.:lol:

kman
Oct 2nd, 2010, 01:14 PM
most of her new fans were "haters" and we'll jump off the bandwagon at the first occasion (= when her results will start to suck).

lol busted

terjw
Oct 2nd, 2010, 01:19 PM
Strange, I commented on this in another thread that seems to have disappeared. I think there was a separate thread that dealt just the final but it looks like it was deleted. I wonder why it was deleted?

Caroline had an interference call against her. These are fairly rare calls. I think that the only other one that springs to mind is many years ago when some of the beads in Serena's hair came loose and fell onto the court during a point. I think what happened was that Caroline hit a return that was in but she thought it was out and screamed. I believe Elena returned it but it landed out. Caroline thought that she should have won the point but the chair empire decided that Caroline's scream affected Elena's return and the point went to Dementieva. I could have some of the details wrong but I think that is what happened. It did seem like kind of an odd call when you consider the noise that some of the other players make but it didn't matter. After the interference call the game was at deuce and Caroline won the next two points to win the game so even if it was a bad call against her it did not effect the outcome of the game.

If anyone can explain this better than me please do so. I was pretty confused by the whole thing and might have some of the details wrong.

Yes - that's what happened. The only thing similar I can think of was a match this year Justine hit a winner and said Allez as she hit it - but she lost the point for distracting her opponent.

Anyway - back to the Caro incident. I don't blame her at all for that protracted delay where they called the referee in. That was a pretty harsh and very unusual decision. And as you say when other players shriek all the time but are not penalised. It's as if because Caro isn't a shrieker on every point - it's a surprise so she gets penalised.:rolleyes:

I have to admire Caro though that - when the decision stands - she puts this sort of thing out of her mind and plays the next point and is mentally stronger than most players not to let it her distract her.

homogenius
Oct 2nd, 2010, 01:27 PM
lol busted

not really (I wanted to write "we all know they'll jump off...bla bla") : I always had the same opinion on Caro and it won't change anytime soon :wavey:

gmak
Oct 2nd, 2010, 01:30 PM
Lena :sad: :( :hug:
a very good 1st set and then :help:
good week still, now win Beijing

congrats Caro

Svetlana)))
Oct 2nd, 2010, 01:42 PM
lol busted

Fuck you're back Piotr :tape:

Mixal
Oct 2nd, 2010, 01:46 PM
Watching it now, Elena was so lovely. One the other hand, her silly errors near the end :help:

Vikapower
Oct 2nd, 2010, 01:56 PM
Elena just leave you're done really... Looks Caro is at her absolute peak... :rolleyes: a peak with love slam final, love top 5 faced this season and a wack of mentally challenged retarded girls... as toys to play with... :sad:

It's just sad that tennis has turned into opponents who simply meltdown and incapable of playing their best when facing that girl... that girl who doesn't do anything special... I just can't believe how messy the tour has become from seemingly it's best years 2005/2006 to start 2008 and now this... :sad:

If only Serena had payed more interests to WTA events we wouldn't be in that situation she really is one of the main players who created all this now she's the only person with the Belgian able to stop this.

JN
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:02 PM
Damnit Elena!!! :mad:

cn ireland
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:03 PM
Congrats to Caro on title #11 :bounce:

Hard luck Elena but still a good tournament:).

miffedmax
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:04 PM
Come on now. Why are people disappointed? Did you actually expect Elena to win this?

Given what percentage of this board consists of a) rabid, foaming at the mouth, deranged Caro haters and b) hopelessly, blindly loyal to the point of stupidity Lena fans, what did you expect?


I have to admire Caro though that - when the decision stands - she puts this sort of thing out of her mind and plays the next point and is mentally stronger than most players not to let it her distract her.

And, equally predictably, Lena let it crawl inside her head and fester.

I did think the call was fair. I thought the chair should have dealt with it more quickly (I don't blame Caro for questioning it, but the longer the delay went the more it was going to jack with Lena and rapid resolutions are fair to both players).

I'm certainly NOT accusing Syrup of gamesmanship because she had every right to question the call and the momentum of the match had already shifted. I'm saying Lena is at fault for letting it get to her and killing any chance she had of climbing back into the second set. It's not like we haven't seen it happen a gajillion times before from the idiot blonde from Moscow.

kman
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:05 PM
Elena just leave you're done really... Looks Caro is at her absolute peak... :rolleyes:
Oh it's you. You predicted Azarenka to beat Caroline. Wrong again. You're at your absolute peak... eating crow.

ptitnavet
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:05 PM
Why Lena always lost to the Pusher? Why ? :sobbing:

Corswandt
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:06 PM
This should have been NID considering how spent Wozniacki had looked in the 3rd vs Azarenka in the previous days' final and that Dementieva was fairly fresh. And for a while it seemed like it really was going to be NID.

This court suits Dementieva's game like no other, and she had been playing boldly and going for her shots in a way she hadn't done for years throughout the week, and in the 1st set she was showing just that, blowing Wozniacki clean off the court - sometimes flattening out a single FH was all that it took.

But eventually the timing on her BH deserted her, and Wozniacki could just revert to her usual game plan against her (to keep her pinned to her weaker side by engaging in endless CC BH rallies). After a while, Dementieva's confidence evaporated, and late in the 2nd she was reduced to flat out pushing, and soon to sheer panic. By the last couple of games Dementieva just wanted to get herself out of the court - that was one of the ugliest mental checkouts in recorded history. The way her last tight matches went makes it clear that she no longer has the stomach to endure competitive pressure, and that she'd rather be elsewhere once it comes to crunch time in any sort of big match.

Bottom line the 3rd set was unwatchable pushing from both, with Dementieva providing comic relief.

wateva
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:08 PM
^^
was just about to post this. NID... :sad:
i love elena but she just folds like a cheap tent against players like caro n radwanska. :o

Corswandt
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:09 PM
^^
was just about to post this. NID... :sad:
i love elena but she just folds like a cheap tent against players like caro n radwanska. :o

I actually meant the opposite. I never thought Dementieva would lose this.

wateva
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:11 PM
I actually meant the opposite. I never thought Dementieva would lose this.

seriously?
have u checked her records against caro n radwanska? :lol::lol::lol::lol::tape::tape::tape::tape:

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:14 PM
Given what percentage of this board consists of a) rabid, foaming at the mouth, deranged Caro haters and b) hopelessly, blindly loyal to the point of stupidity Lena fans, what did you expect?



And, equally predictably, Lena let it crawl inside her head and fester.

I did think the call was fair. I thought the chair should have dealt with it more quickly (I don't blame Caro for questioning it, but the longer the delay went the more it was going to jack with Lena and rapid resolutions are fair to both players).

I'm certainly NOT accusing Syrup of gamesmanship because she had every right to question the call and the momentum of the match had already shifted. I'm saying Lena is at fault for letting it get to her and killing any chance she had of climbing back into the second set. It's not like we haven't seen it happen a gajillion times before from the idiot blonde from Moscow.

Syrup? OK, maybe I'm a bit thick but I'm gonna need this one explained to me.

Matt01
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:16 PM
Oh it's you. You predicted Azarenka to beat Caroline. Wrong again. You're at your absolute peak... eating crow.


:lol:

Corswandt
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:16 PM
seriously?
have u checked her records against caro n radwanska? :lol::lol::lol::lol::tape::tape::tape::tape:

I had seen the way Dementieva was hitting the ball in her previous matches, and the way in which Wozniacki seemed to be running on fumes even in the SF. This match would have gone the way the 1st set did if Dementieva hadn't stopped going for her shots and punked out. Again.

iGOAT
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:19 PM
Oh Lena :bigcry:.

PLEASE beat her in Beijing.

Huntress55
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:19 PM
Caro :) Happy she won.

Lena :hug:

wateva
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:23 PM
I had seen the way Dementieva was hitting the ball in her previous matches, and the way in which Wozniacki seemed to be running on fumes even in the SF. This match would have gone the way the 1st set did if Dementieva hadn't stopped going for her shots and punked out. Again.

elena with her (barely) improved serve has really stopped going for her lethal forehand these last couple of years. :o
when she had her ridiculous slicey spinny serve, she was going for her forehand ALL. THE. TIME.
now's she contend with hitting crosscourt forehands and backhands which i think has reduced her freak losses, but has also stopped her from beating the real elite players.
let's face it, with her ability to absolutely rip the tennis ball apart, there's no reason why she shouldn't be destroying the likes of wozniacki and radwanska.
she needs to stop playing their game and start unleashing her lethal forehand again. i miss it. :sad:

tievae
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:25 PM
Wow, that was one loooongg conversation Wozniacki had with Alves about that "scream while the ball is in the air" call. Imagine if she did that at Roland Garros; you couldn't take one step forward without getting booed. :hysteric:

Break My Rapture
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:26 PM
Dementieva. :rolleyes: Get your head straight.

is1531
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:27 PM
How much money did Push win today?

Vikapower
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:29 PM
Oh it's you. You predicted Azarenka to beat Caroline. Wrong again. You're at your absolute peak... eating crow.

ROTLMFAO... Are you blind or something ?? Vika is my favourite so I ALWAYS want her to win where's your point really... :lol: How can you expect me to ever say that Caro'll win over my fave ?? Really... :spit: At last I don't eat crow cuz as everything has start everything has an end and only the brutality of it counts to put you in a deep whole or not... e.g. Safina, JJ, Ana...

I love Caro a lot because she entertains the tour so much... with her beautiful body :hearts: while the real top players are taking their usual season rest/holidays to prepare to destroy the Dane better in 2011 only for that she deserves #1 in all hearts... I have to admit though not too soon from January it willn't be delusional to say Caro>>>>>Serena.

The Daviator
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:37 PM
Caroline :worship: Now get that #1 rank in Beijing :yeah:

LCS
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:39 PM
It's sad that Wozniacki's game plan is to just sit there retriving balls until her opponent starts to misfire into defeat. The first set just comes to show who is the better player when everything is on.

Enjoy it while it lasts Caroline :wavey:

LCS
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:41 PM
seriously?
have u checked her records against caro n radwanska? :lol::lol::lol::lol::tape::tape::tape::tape:

It's not like she's being dusted off in straight by any of those pretenders.

Matt01
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:43 PM
It's sad that Wozniacki's game plan is to just sit there retriving balls until her opponent starts to misfire into defeat. The first set just comes to show who is the better player when everything is on.

Enjoy it while it lasts Caroline :wavey:


Do I sense an ounce of bitterness here? :)

LCS
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:48 PM
Do I sense an ounce of bitterness here? :)

I would say a ton. :bounce:

Matt01
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:49 PM
I would say a ton. :bounce:


It would be the same for me if Demented won ;)

CrossCourt~Rally
Oct 2nd, 2010, 02:53 PM
Well done Caro :yeah:

Lena D :hug: Still a nice run this week :bounce:

terjw
Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:05 PM
ROTLMFAO... Are you blind or something ?? blaa blaa blaa.

ROTLMFAO I don't think anyone is blind to your predictions and your 100% getting it wrong record :lol: Every match at Montreal and New Haven that Caro was going to be humiliated. Predicted Masha was going to humiliate Caro at USO. In the other half predicted Sam to beat Kim. Tokyo - predicted Vika to beat Caro. Have you ever been right in your life. And you say Caro fans are delusional? :lol:

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:08 PM
How much money did Push win today?

Caroline won $350,000 while Elena will take home $175,000.

The winnings are posted at the bottom:
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2010/603/MDS.pdf

Elisse
Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:10 PM
Amazing :bowdown:...Caro is the Nadal of the WTA tour.

:spit:

Nah...Nadal is a true Champion, career Grand Slam winner and an awesome competitor!!! :worship:

They can't even start to be compared yet...

Jean-Henri
Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:14 PM
It would be the same for me if Demented won ;)

You two, pls get a room :worship:

croat123
Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:23 PM
missing tennis from the 80s and 90s big time :sad:

Vikapower
Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:36 PM
ROTLMFAO I don't think anyone is blind to your predictions and your 100% getting it wrong record :lol: Every match at Montreal and New Haven that Caro was going to be humiliated. Predicted Masha was going to humiliate Caro at USO. In the other half predicted Sam to beat Kim. Tokyo - predicted Vika to beat Caro. Have you ever been right in your life. And you say Caro fans are delusional? :lol:

:spit: Vika is my fave for God's sake give me one reason I wouldn't make her a winner against Caro ?? :rolleyes:

You Caro fans have become so arrogant now and always very blind to the actual state of the tour thus Caro fooling people with her so said peak tennis unfortunately it takes a bright mind to understand these kinds of manipulations...

You'll understand this when the tour become's more competitive just that it'll be too late when you'll want to leave the wrecked train and get that delusional Caro fanboy tag off... ;)

moby
Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:37 PM
I had seen the way Dementieva was hitting the ball in her previous matches, and the way in which Wozniacki seemed to be running on fumes even in the SF. This match would have gone the way the 1st set did if Dementieva hadn't stopped going for her shots and punked out. Again.I guess the question is, did you really expect Demented not to punk out?

I knew she was a goner when she had game points for 2-1 in the second set and failed to convert (IIRC), and 2 break points to level and 2-all, and failed to convert again (this one did happen).

Ryan
Oct 2nd, 2010, 03:49 PM
:spit: Vika is my fave for God's sake give me one reason I wouldn't make her a winner against Caro ?? :rolleyes:

You Caro fans have become so arrogant now and always very blind to the actual state of the tour thus Caro fooling people with her so said peak tennis unfortunately it takes a bright mind to understand these kinds of manipulations...

You'll understand this when the tour become's more competitive just that it'll be too late when you'll want to leave the wrecked train and get that delusional Caro fanboy tag off... ;)



You only have 1900+ posts but it seems all of them are related to Caro, and all of them expose how little you know of tennis. Its pretty impressive you can multitask so effectively.

kman
Oct 2nd, 2010, 04:02 PM
ROTLMFAO I don't think anyone is blind to your predictions and your 100% getting it wrong record :lol: Every match at Montreal and New Haven that Caro was going to be humiliated. Predicted Masha was going to humiliate Caro at USO. In the other half predicted Sam to beat Kim. Tokyo - predicted Vika to beat Caro. Have you ever been right in your life. And you say Caro fans are delusional? :lol:

He (or she) also predicted Schiavone to trash Caroline in Montreal. Vikapower is the pound-for-pound worst prediction maker on this forum. Makes predictions solely based on emotions, it seems.

Vikapower
Oct 2nd, 2010, 04:08 PM
You only have 1900+ posts but it seems all of them are related to Caro, and all of them expose how little you know of tennis. Its pretty impressive you can multitask so effectively.
Live by what you think but I know they aren't... Caro is certainly not my center of interests just a player I love watching play and talk about how much I love her one time in million is that a crime... ?? :rolleyes: furthermore Caro and Vika are so said BFF so it gets me someway closely related to Caro as a fan...

is1531
Oct 2nd, 2010, 04:12 PM
Caroline won $350,000 while Elena will take home $175,000.

The winnings are posted at the bottom:
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2010/603/MDS.pdf


Thanks! I may not be a fan of Caroline, but she has produced an excellent season. I thought Julia Georges was robbed in their match at Copenhagan, but Caroline's mental toughness seems to spellbound opponents. Dimentieva looked lousy after the first set, but then again, this is not the ist time Woznaicki came from behind against Elena.

P.S.- I think Caroline clearly has the nicest looking cross hands down.

Wiggly
Oct 2nd, 2010, 04:18 PM
It seems the turning point was Caroline hitting her first winner in the 9th game.

Elena screamed for some reason and then the whole match changed.
Dementieva should'Ve cruised over that final. Too bad for her. :(

Congratulations to Wozniacki.

cellophane
Oct 2nd, 2010, 04:21 PM
Elena's ground game is a shade of herself in the early 2000s

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 04:22 PM
Thanks! I may not be a fan of Caroline, but she has produced an excellent season. I thought Julia Georges was robbed in their match at Copenhagan, but Caroline's mental toughness seems to spellbound opponents. Dimentieva looked lousy after the first set, but then again, this is not the ist time Woznaicki came from behind against Elena.

P.S.- I think Caroline clearly has the nicest looking cross hands down.

Caroline had some tough matches in Copenhagen against some players she should have no trouble with. (Benesova, Goerges and Chakvetadze all took her to three sets) I'm sure it would have been very disappointing to her if she lost that tournament.

delicatecutter
Oct 2nd, 2010, 04:42 PM
FFS Lena. Even though she is a total headcase, she should be able to beat Wozniacki. Especially with how she had been playing this week. It's just so frustating. Franci may or may not have won, but she wouldn't have imploded for the whole world to see. :tape:

Viktymise
Oct 2nd, 2010, 04:44 PM
The usual.

Corswandt
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:00 PM
I guess the question is, did you really expect Demented not to punk out?

I did because it wasn't a Slam match. :o

Jean-Henri
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:11 PM
Thanks! I may not be a fan of Caroline, but she has produced an excellent season. I thought Julia Georges was robbed in their match at Copenhagan, but Caroline's mental toughness seems to spellbound opponents. Dimentieva looked lousy after the first set, but then again, this is not the ist time Woznaicki came from behind against Elena.

P.S.- I think Caroline clearly has the nicest looking cross hands down.

Just an honest question (I was abroad and didn't follow tennis, let alone caro, during summer), how was Georges robbed ?
Was it by some injustice, or just phrase you use ?

From the tournament stats Caro really struggled at Copenhagen. Then again, wasn't it her first tournament since Charleston where played free of that injury ?

Bismarck.
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:13 PM
Did Caro really only hit her first winner nine games into the match:spit:?

Break My Rapture
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:19 PM
It seems the turning point was Caroline hitting her first winner in the 9th game.

Elena screamed for some reason and then the whole match changed.
Dementieva should'Ve cruised over that final. Too bad for her. :(

Congratulations to Wozniacki.
OH.MY.GOD. :spit: :hysteric:

Anyone have the match stats?

Gdsimmons
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:25 PM
Elena was in a winning position many times. I would be like DAMN that was a great shot, then 2 shots later she would hit a shot wide or long or into the freaking net.

terjw
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:25 PM
Just an honest question (I was abroad and didn't follow tennis, let alone caro, during summer), how was Georges robbed ?
Was it by some injustice, or just phrase you use ?

From the tournament stats Caro really struggled at Copenhagen. Then again, wasn't it her first tournament since Charleston where played free of that injury ?

She was free of that injury by RG. Pretty well the whole of the rest of the clay season up to RG she was playing while not fully recovered from that injury at Charleston.

miffedmax
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:29 PM
Syrup? OK, maybe I'm a bit thick but I'm gonna need this one explained to me.

http://pgward.org/ep/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/karo-syrup-dark.jpg

goldenlox
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:31 PM
Lena sounded like she is tired heading to Beijing.
So she to win a title the week after China

Richie's
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:35 PM
Caroline impress me once more!! I'm getting into her more and more! She totally deserve the titles and the No 1 ranking spot!
Send the other bitches home Pusher!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, Lena D will win Beijing!

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:36 PM
OH.MY.GOD. :spit: :hysteric:

Anyone have the match stats?

This is the best I could find. This was originally posted by stangtennis in the Caroline Wozniacki player thread:
http://www.tennisforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=56140&stc=1&d=1286002761

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:37 PM
http://pgward.org/ep/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/karo-syrup-dark.jpg

OK, thanks for the info.

Slutiana
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:40 PM
WTF! She won?!

I went back to bed after the first set thinking Caroline looked nothing like herself. She looked tired and unfocused and was spraying errors everywhere.

Then I wake up again and check a Danish news site and it says Caroline won in the headlines. I couldn't believe it.

What an amazing fighter she is. Now I wish I would've stayed up to watch her claw her way back.
Weird. :confused: I could swear the camera showed you at the end of the match.

hankqq
Oct 2nd, 2010, 05:40 PM
not the best quality from either player (neither played well at the same time), but well done to Wozniacki for being able to turn around such a horrible 1st set :lol: If she's gonna be #1 soon, at least she won another big title :lol: :shrug:
They're in the same quarter this week-I wonder if they'll meet again :spit:

hurricanejeanne
Oct 2nd, 2010, 06:06 PM
Kinda sorta expected. :shrug:

Matt01
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:00 PM
ROTLMFAO I don't think anyone is blind to your predictions and your 100% getting it wrong record :lol: Every match at Montreal and New Haven that Caro was going to be humiliated. Predicted Masha was going to humiliate Caro at USO. In the other half predicted Sam to beat Kim. Tokyo - predicted Vika to beat Caro. Have you ever been right in your life. And you say Caro fans are delusional? :lol:


:wavey:

goldenlox
Oct 2nd, 2010, 08:23 PM
“I’m very happy — I really enjoy winning and I’m feeling good,” Wozniacki said. “It’s always nice to hold the trophy in your hand, that’s what you are practicing for. I’m feeling very confident and I feel like I’m playing some good tennis, so hopefully next week will be just as good.”
The 20-year-old has the most singles wins on the WTA Tour this year at 54, upping her career mark in finals to 11-7.
Dementieva fell to 2-2 in finals on the year.
“Unfortunately I missed some opportunities in the beginning of the second set and lost a bit of momentum,” Dementieva said. “That was the key…she was fighting and playing solid from the baseline. I’m disappointed with the way I finished the match but I love playing in Tokyo, and even though I lost today I think it was a great final.”

rucolo
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:33 PM
Nice fight back, Caroline!:D:banana:

Title #5 this year.:yeah:

Extremely satisfying win. Great for Jelena.

Bye Bye Dementieva :bigwave:

stangtennis
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:41 PM
This is the best I could find. This was originally posted by stangtennis in the Caroline Wozniacki player thread:
Actually it was originally posted by me in this very topic at page 4, so pieter pan asked a question that has already been asnwered earlier in the topic: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18604957#post18604957

DownInAHole
Oct 2nd, 2010, 09:51 PM
Actually it was originally posted by me in this very topic at page 4, so pieter pan asked a question that has already been asnwered earlier in the topic: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18604957#post18604957

Whoops. My bad.

Gdsimmons
Oct 2nd, 2010, 10:09 PM
I dont see how you Dementieva fans do it.

Pops Maellard
Oct 3rd, 2010, 01:19 AM
I dont see how you Dementieva fans do it.

lolz. She's not a fave for gloryhunters, that's for absolute certain.

Vyacheslavovna
Oct 26th, 2010, 12:26 AM
Fais bien for getting to the final. Two top ten wins and a little bit of form for the end of the year. I always feel Dementieva should beat Wozniacki, but clearly Wozniacki feels differently.

A walk-off double fault to lose the final! A walk-off double fault to win the tournament! Egad!

ZODIAC
Oct 26th, 2010, 12:55 AM
Caro is going to make Mama Vera cry in her sleep..