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Lilowannabe
Sep 28th, 2010, 03:35 PM
Okay so imagine in a perfect tennis world we had the 8 best players of the last 10 years up against one another at their respective peaks. Ive seeded according to achievments-

1. Serena Peak (2002-03)
2. Henin Peak (2007)
3. Venus Peak (2000-01)
4. Davenport Peak (2000 and 2005)
5. Sharapova Peak (2008 aussie)
6. Clijsters Peak (US open wins)
7. Capriati Peak (2001)
8. Mauresmo Peak (2006)

These are IMO the players at there peak games. Create your own draw, select the winners scores according to how you think it would go down :) have fun...

VW_fan
Sep 28th, 2010, 03:49 PM
The rest don't stand a chance against Peak Venus and Peak Serena ;)

jimmy_the_greek
Sep 28th, 2010, 03:53 PM
Serena

justineheninfan
Sep 28th, 2010, 03:54 PM
Peak Henin wins on clay. Peak Venus or and peak Serena is a toss up on grass, peak Serena owns on hard courts. Overall peak Serena.

justineheninfan
Sep 28th, 2010, 03:55 PM
LOL at someone voting for peak Capriati. I nearly spit out my coffee seeing that.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 03:59 PM
Lets say on a medium paced hard court. My draw and results:

Quarterfinals:

#1 seed peak Serena defeats #8 seed peak Capriati 6-2, 3-6, 6-2
#2 seed peak Henin defeats #7 seed peak Mauresmo 6-4, 6-3
#6 seed peak Clijsters defeats #3 seed peak Venus 7-5, 3-6, 7-5
#5 seed peak Sharapova defeats #4 seed peak Davenport 3-6, 7-6, 6-2

Semifinals:

#1 seed peak Serena defeats #5 seed peak Sharapova 6-3, 6-2
#2 seed peak Henin defeats #6 seed peak Clijsters 7-5, 6-3

Finals:

#1 seed peak Serena defeats #2 seed peak Henin 7-6, 4-6, 6-2

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:03 PM
On Wimbledon grass my draw and results:

#1 seed peak Venus defeats #8 seed peak Capriati 6-3, 6-1
#2 seed peak Serena defeats #7 seed peak Clijsters 6-4, 6-3
#6 seed peak Henin defeats #3 seed peak Davenport 4-6, 6-2, 6-1
#4 seed peak Mauresmo defeats #5 seed peak Sharapova 6-4, 6-7, 6-2


Semifinals:

#1 seed peak Venus defeats #4 seed peak Mauresmo 7-6, 6-3
#2 seed peak Serena defeats #6 seed peak Henin 6-4, 6-2


Finals:

#2 seed peak Serena defeats #1 seed peak Venus 7-6, 6-4

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:06 PM
On French Open clay my draw and results:

Quarterfinals:

#1 seed Justine Henin defeats #8 seed Maria Sharapova 6-3, 6-1
#7 seed Lindsay Davenport defeats #2 seed Jennifer Capriati 6-3, 2-6, 6-4
#3 seed Serena Williams defeats #6 seed Venus Williams 7-5, 6-3
#4 seed Kim Clijsters defeats #5 seed Amelie Mauresmo 6-3, 4-6, 8-6

Semifinals:

#1 seed Justine Henin defeats #4 seed Kim Clijters 6-3, 6-2
#3 seed Serena Williams defeats #7 seed Lindsay Davenport 7-5, 6-2

Finals:

#1 seed Justine Henin defeats #3 seed Serena Williams 6-2, 6-7, 6-4

Lucemferre
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:09 PM
On Wimbledon grass my draw and results:

#1 seed peak Venus defeats #8 seed peak Capriati 6-3, 6-1
#2 seed peak Serena defeats #7 seed peak Clijsters 6-4, 6-3
#6 seed peak Henin defeats #3 seed peak Davenport 4-6, 6-2, 6-1
#4 seed peak Mauresmo defeats #5 seed peak Sharapova 6-4, 6-7, 6-2


Semifinals:

#1 seed peak Venus defeats #4 seed peak Mauresmo 7-6, 6-3
#2 seed peak Serena defeats #6 seed peak Henin 6-4, 6-2


Finals:

#2 seed peak Serena defeats #1 seed peak Venus 7-6, 6-4


Impossible.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Lets say on a medium paced hard court. My draw and results:

Quarterfinals:

#1 seed peak Serena defeats #8 seed peak Capriati 6-2, 3-6, 6-2
#2 seed peak Henin defeats #7 seed peak Mauresmo 6-4, 6-3
#6 seed peak Clijsters defeats #3 seed peak Venus 7-5, 3-6, 7-5
#5 seed peak Sharapova defeats #4 seed peak Davenport 3-6, 7-6, 6-2

Semifinals:

#1 seed peak Serena defeats #5 seed peak Sharapova 6-3, 6-2
#2 seed peak Henin defeats #6 seed peak Clijsters 7-5, 6-3

Finals:

#1 seed peak Serena defeats #2 seed peak Henin 7-6, 4-6, 6-2
I think your peak Clijsters/peak Venus results are wrong.

Clijsters is clearly at her big match peak RIGHT NOW. Venus is no where near hers and we're seeing tight (albeit weird) three setters. I think Peak Vee beats present day peak Kim in a tight 2 or easy 3.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:14 PM
Impossible.

Tennis is alot about matchups. Davenport was Henin's lapdog once Henin came into her own. I think eventually she had a mental block about even playing Henin. Didnt Henin win their last 7 or 8 matches in a row starting in early 2003, ok granted I know none were on grass but still. As for what would happen, on grass Davenport would probably overpower in the 1st set. Henin would grit her teeth and begin playing a bit more agressively, grinding some balls back. She would win a few big points and Davenport would become frusterated, start making more errors frusterated by Henin's defense and scrapiness, and do her usual handdog against opponents she doesnt feel confident against. And as this happens Henin would gain even more motive and start being a bit more agressive still and also start to capatilize on Davenport's poor movement, and eventually the sweet hitting but unathletic Davenport would be worn down physically.

I do not think peak Henin is a better grass court player than peak Davenport hence my seedings which are in order of ability on each surfaces. I do think peak Henin would beat peak Davenport if they played at Wimledon though.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:18 PM
I think your peak Clijsters/peak Venus results are wrong.

Clijsters is clearly at her big match peak RIGHT NOW. Venus is no where near hers and we're seeing tight (albeit weird) three setters. I think Peak Vee beats present day peak Kim in a tight 2 or easy 3.

I dont think Kim is at her peak. She was better in 2003 and 2005. She is doing well now since the womens field sucks and even against the current field her slams results are still far more inconsistent than at her real peak.

In 2005 I think both were great. I think Venus was also close to her best in late 2005 after her Wimbledon win and how she looked at the U.S open. Kim still managed to beat Venus. In fact Kim was 2-0 vs Venus in 2005. I dont think peak Kim is better than peak Venus ability wise, though she will end up more accomplished thus "greater" on hard courts. However I think Kim is a bad matchup for Venus thus would probably win.

As for this years match yes of course Kim is closer to her career best than Venus but Kim actually played a somewhat poor match for her current standards, Venus played about as well as she can play at this point in her career (apart from the 2nd set tiebreak) and Kim still won. I think most other days if they played today Kim would probably win easier.

Lucemferre
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:19 PM
Tennis is alot about matchups. Davenport was Henin's lapdog once Henin came into her own. I think eventually she had a mental block about even playing Henin. Didnt Henin win their last 7 or 8 matches in a row starting in early 2003, ok granted I know none were on grass but still. As for what would happen, on grass Davenport would probably overpower in the 1st set. Henin would grit her teeth and begin playing a bit more agressively, grinding some balls back. She would win a few big points and Davenport would become frusterated, start making more errors frusterated by Henin's defense and scrapiness, and do her usual handdog against opponents she doesnt feel confident against. And as this happens Henin would gain even more motive and start being a bit more agressive still and also start to capatilize on Davenport's poor movement, and eventually the sweet hitting but unathletic Davenport would be worn down physically.

I do not think peak Henin is a better grass court player than peak Davenport hence my seedings which are in order of ability on each surfaces. I do think peak Henin would beat peak Davenport if they played at Wimledon though.

Bla blah blah. Nobody can beat peak Davenport 6-2 6-1 on grass.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:22 PM
Bla blah blah. Nobody can beat peak Davenport 6-2 6-1 on grass.

I dont have her beating her 6-2, 6-1. I have her beating her in 3 sets 4-6, 6-2, 6-1. There is a big difference. I agree Henin could never beat Davenport 6-2, 6-1 on grass since that is just killing her without the match going long enough for the mental and fatigue factors to come in which she certainly isnt good enough on grass to do to Davenport. Davenport is a quitter who gives up in matches vs people she doesnt feel confident against once things start going even a bit wrong at some point, even in her prime. Look at her pathetic tank down almost vs an out of shape and nowhere near her best Serena in the last set and half of the 2005 Australian Open final. To win only 3 slams is a huge underachievement for someone with about 50 tour titles. The only reason she fought so hard against Venus in the 2005 Wimbledon final is Venus was coming back and much lower ranked, so for once she felt confident against her.

Lucemferre
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:24 PM
I dont have her beating her 6-2, 6-1. I have her beating her in 3 sets 4-6, 6-2, 6-1. There is a big difference. I agree Henin could never beat Davenport 6-2, 6-1 on grass since that is just killing her without the match going long enough for the mental and fatigue factors to come in which she certainly isnt good enough on grass to do to Davenport. Davenport is a quitter who gives up in matches vs people she doesnt feel confident against once things start going even a bit wrong at some point, even in her prime. To win only 3 slams is a huge underachievement for someone with about 50 tour titles. The only reason she fought so hard against Venus in the 2005 Wimbledon final is Venus was coming back and much lower ranked, so for once she felt confident against her.

Blah blah blah.She still can't beat peak Davenport 4-6 6-2 6-1 or whatever 6-2 6-1 on grass.

jefrilibra
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:26 PM
Peak Serena >>>> Peak everybody + those not listed in the poll.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:26 PM
What difference does the score make. She would still beat peak Davenport in 3 sets on average if they played at Wimbledon, despite peak Davenport being the superior grass court player. That is my point.

She of course shouldnt win sets 6-2 or 6-1 vs Davenport on grass but once mental midget Davenport gives up or get tired as a matches goes vs someone she has a bad record against it could easily happen.

Emina.
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:31 PM
Peak Serena definitely.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:31 PM
I dont think Kim is at her peak. She was better in 2003 and 2005. She is doing well now since the womens field sucks and even against the current field her slams results are still far more inconsistent than at her real peak.

In 2005 I think both were great. I think Venus was also close to her best in late 2005 after her Wimbledon win and how she looked at the U.S open. Kim still managed to beat Venus. In fact Kim was 2-0 vs Venus in 2005. I dont think peak Kim is better than peak Venus ability wise, though she will end up more accomplished thus "greater" on hard courts. However I think Kim is a bad matchup for Venus thus would probably win.

As for this years match yes of course Kim is closer to her career best than Venus but Kim actually played a somewhat poor match for her current standards, Venus played about as well as she can play at this point in her career (apart from the 2nd set tiebreak) and Kim still won. I think most other days if they played today Kim would probably win easier.

I wouldn't consider 2005 Venus peak, so imho I don't see it as a good measuring stick. I think you have to go '01, '02. RG '02 through AO'03 she made it to every slam final and, if not for Serena, we'd likely be looking at a VenusSlam. You'd have to say that that period was her peak. It's just her bad luck it coincided with Serena's.

Personally, I think Kim, despite a depleted women's field, is player better than she ever has - both mentally and physically. She's simply a better player now than she was pre-retirement.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:36 PM
I wouldn't consider 2005 Venus peak, so imho I don't see it as a good measuring stick. I think you have to go '01, '02. RG '02 through AO'03 she made it to every slam final and, if not for Serena, we'd likely be looking at a VenusSlam. You'd have to say that that period was her peak. It's just her bad luck it coincided with Serena's.

Personally, I think Kim, despite a depleted women's field, is player better than she ever has - both mentally and physically. She's simply a better player now than she was pre-retirement.

I see your point on Venus but I still disagree on Kim. I know some people say Kim is better than ever but I have never agreed with that. From 2003 to 2007 the only people to beat Kim in slams were Serena, Venus, Justine, Davenport, Sharapova, and Mauresmo. Since her comeback she has lost in slams to Petrova and Zvonareva. No way this would be happening on multiple instances in such a limited time to Kim at her all time peak I dont think. And you look throughout a year as well Kim has alot more strange losses than she did from 2003-early 2007. So I have to 100% disagree with those who say Kim is better than ever. She is capatilizing on the terrible womens field and that she is closer to her former best than Venus, Henin, and Sharapova at the moment, but still well below it. If she were at her all time peak she would make every slam final with the current field.

And even peak Venus was definitely not unbeatable on hard courts. In Australia her peak results were a semifinal drubbing to Hingis after barely escaping Coetzer, a quarterfinal defeat to Seles, and a final defeat to Serena. At the U.S Open she was more impressive but still 2 points from going out to Hingis in the 2000 U.S Open semis and was barely escaping Rubin and Mauresmo in 2002 before being drubbed by Serena. I think a peak Kim could definitely hold her own. Even if she didnt win it would be a real battle.

The VenusSlam without Serena? Maybe but maybe not. Venus owns Capriati but Capriati is better than Venus on clay and Jennifer nearly beat Serena in the semis that year, so not sure if Venus can beat Jen in the 2002 French final. She probably wins Wimbledon and the U.S Open, but Mauresmo is a far tougher opponent for Venus than she is for Serena historically. And an Australian Open final vs Clijsters wouldnt have been a cakewalk for Venus either.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:45 PM
I see your point on Venus but I still disagree on Kim. I know some people say Kim is better than ever but I have never agreed with that. From 2003 to 2007 the only people to beat Kim in slams were Serena, Venus, Justine, Davenport, Sharapova, and Mauresmo. Since her comeback she has lost in slams to Petrova and Zvonareva. No way this would be happening on multiple instances in such a limited time to Kim at her all time peak I dont think. And you look throughout a year as well Kim has alot more strange losses than she did from 2003-early 2007. So sorry but but I 100% disagree with those who say Kim is better than ever. She is capatilizing on the terrible womens field and that she is closer to her former best than Venus, Henin, and Sharapova at the moment, but still well below it. If she were at her all time peak she would make every slam final with the current field.

And even peak Venus was definitely not unbeatable on hard courts. In Australia her peak results were a semifinal drubbing to Hingis after barely escaping Coetzer, a quarterfinal defeat to Seles, and a final defeat to Serena. At the U.S Open she was more impressive but still 2 points from going out to Hingis in the 2000 U.S Open semis and was barely escaping Rubin and Mauresmo in 2002 before being drubbed by Serena. I think a peak Kim could definitely hold her own. Even if she didnt win it would be a real battle.

The VenusSlam without Serena? Maybe but maybe not. Venus owns Capriati but Capriati is better than Venus on clay and Jennifer nearly beat Serena in the semis that year, so not sure if Venus can beat Jen in the 2002 French final. She probably wins Wimbledon and the U.S Open, but Mauresmo is a far tougher opponent for Venus than she is for Serena historically. And an Australian Open final vs Clijsters wouldnt have been a cakewalk for Venus either.

Can't go with you on the Capriati is better than Vee on clay. She has a better RECORD, but we don't KNOW that she beats Vee on clay. Vee had a habit of winning against JCap at big tournaments.
:lol: Well, on at least the bolded, we can agree. ;)

justineheninfan
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:55 PM
I think doing surface seedings is pointless since the Slams never do that except maybe at Wimbledon, the one place that somewhat does surface seedings. Her are my hypothetical peak on peak results at the majors:

French Open

Quarters: #1 seed Serena defeats #8 seed Capriati in 3 sets, #2 seed Henin defeats #7 seed Mauresmo in 2 sets, #3 seed Venus defeats #6 seed Sharapova in 2 sets, #4 seed Clijsters defeats #5 Davenport in 2 sets (barring a 2005 FO like fluke)

Semis: #1 seed Serena defeats #4 seed Clijsters in 3 sets, #2 seed Henin defeats #3 seed Venus in 2 sets

Final: #2 seed Henin defeats #1 seed Serena in 2 sets


Wimbledon:

Quarters: #1 seed Serena defeats #8 seed Capriati in 3 sets, #2 seed Venus defeats #7 seed Mauresmo in 3 sets, #6 seed Sharapova defeats #3 seed Henin in 3 sets, #4 seed Davenport defeats #5 seed Clijsters in 3 sets

Semis: #1 seed Serena defeats #4 seed Davenport in 2 sets, #2 seed Venus defeats #6 seed Sharapova in 2 sets

Final: #1 seed Serena defeats #2 seed Venus in 2 sets


U.S Open

Quarterfinals: #1 seed Serena defeats #8 seed Capriati in 3 sets, #2 seed Henin defeats #7 seed Mauresmo in 2 sets, #3 seed Venus defeats #6 seed Sharapova in 3 sets, #4 seed
Clijsters defeats #5 seed Davenport in 2 sets

Semifinals: #1 seed Serena defeats #3 seed Venus in 2 sets, #2 seed Henin defeats #4 seed Clijsters in 3 sets

Final: #1 seed Serena defeats #2 seed Henin in 3 sets


I dont really know how to do the seedings but Selesfans's way of doing the quarterfinal lineup was what I used. As for the semis it seems often at the U.S Open the even and odds are in the same half, whereas not so at the French and Wimbledon.

Justin
Sep 28th, 2010, 04:55 PM
Peak Mary Pierce should enter. She would would win this tournament.

debopero
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:01 PM
Peak Mary Pierce should enter. She would would win this tournament.

:spit:

twight6
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:05 PM
On Wimbledon grass my draw and results:

#1 seed peak Venus defeats #8 seed peak Capriati 6-3, 6-1
#2 seed peak Serena defeats #7 seed peak Clijsters 6-4, 6-3
#6 seed peak Henin defeats #3 seed peak Davenport 4-6, 6-2, 6-1
#4 seed peak Mauresmo defeats #5 seed peak Sharapova 6-4, 6-7, 6-2


Semifinals:

#1 seed peak Venus defeats #4 seed peak Mauresmo 7-6, 6-3
#2 seed peak Serena defeats #6 seed peak Henin 6-4, 6-2


Finals:

#2 seed peak Serena defeats #1 seed peak Venus 7-6, 6-4

On French Open clay my draw and results:

Quarterfinals:

#1 seed Justine Henin defeats #8 seed Maria Sharapova 6-3, 6-1
#7 seed Lindsay Davenport defeats #2 seed Jennifer Capriati 6-3, 2-6, 6-4
#3 seed Serena Williams defeats #6 seed Venus Williams 7-5, 6-3
#4 seed Kim Clijsters defeats #5 seed Amelie Mauresmo 6-3, 4-6, 8-6

Semifinals:

#1 seed Justine Henin defeats #4 seed Kim Clijters 6-3, 6-2
#3 seed Serena Williams defeats #7 seed Lindsay Davenport 7-5, 6-2

Finals:

#1 seed Justine Henin defeats #3 seed Serena Williams 6-2, 6-7, 6-4

Just stop. You're an embarrassment. No way does Lindsay lose to Henin on grass (and NEVER a set 6-1 or 6-2), and no way does Davenport beat Capriati on clay. Oh, and peak Serena doesn't even get a set off peak Justine on clay. Unless peak-Justine had an off-peak-day.

twight6
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:08 PM
I kind of voted for Lindsay as just a joke :lol:, but I'm honestly surprised no one else has voted for her. On US hardcourts, she could blow any one of these players off the court, if she was at her best.

Onjanae.
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:09 PM
Serena would win the tournament with Venus probably as the finalist. I think Peak Venus > Henin, Clijsters et al listed bar Serena.

Hingis should probably be in the poll too. Hingis over Capriati, Mauresmo and Pova IMO but :shrug:

hingis-seles
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:32 PM
Peak Henin wins on clay. Everywhere else, you have to go with peak Serena not only winning, but winning handily.

Olórin
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:36 PM
Serena!

Joelina
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:45 PM
funny how many think that peak Serena is the best. :lol:

hurricanejeanne
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:47 PM
Peak Serena. Peak Venus and Peak Justine come close, but Peak Serena will always win (though clay is the closest toss up).

tennisfan146
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:51 PM
Peak Venus is the best.

madmax
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:51 PM
gotta love these "peak" threads. Nevermind that they are never going to happen, some still feel the need to push their agenda

Kworb
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:53 PM
QF:
Peak Serena def. Peak Mauresmo 6-1 6-1
Peak Venus def. Peak Capriati 6-7 6-4 6-3
Peak Davenport def. Peak Clijsters 4-6 7-6 6-4
Peak Henin def. Peak Sharapova 6-4 6-3

SF:
Peak Serena def. Peak Venus 6-2 6-0
Peak Henin def. Peak Davenport 6-4 7-6

F:
Peak Henin def. Peak Serena 7-6 6-1

Olórin
Sep 28th, 2010, 05:56 PM
Peak Henin def. Peak Serena 7-6 6-1

Oh Kworb, just when you were doing so well.

Mistress of Evil
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:05 PM
Peak TF Stupidity hands down.

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab210/_svetlio_/GaGa/vfjpxxjpg.gif

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:09 PM
Peak Serena. Peak Venus and Peak Justine come close, but Peak Serena will always win (though clay is the closest toss up).

Agreed except on the clay part. On clay a peak Serena would almost never beat a peak Justine. An absolute peak Serena was 1-3 on clay vs a pre peak Justine who hadnt even won a slam title yet.

mariavikafan
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:11 PM
Peak TF Stupidity hands down

THIS.

Olórin
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:12 PM
Agreed except on the clay part. On clay a peak Serena would almost never beat a peak Justine. An absolute peak Serena was 1-3 on clay vs a pre peak Justine who hadnt even won a slam title yet.

2003 was basically Justine's peak on clay, it's the only time she's had to play someone decent to win a RG title.

Matt01
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:19 PM
2003 was basically Justine's peak on clay, it's the only time she's had to play someone decent to win a RG title.


:lol:

This thread = Peak:weirdo:

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:19 PM
Just stop. You're an embarrassment. No way does Lindsay lose to Henin on grass (and NEVER a set 6-1 or 6-2), and no way does Davenport beat Capriati on clay. Oh, and peak Serena doesn't even get a set off peak Justine on clay. Unless peak-Justine had an off-peak-day.

You obviously dont follow the careers of these women very closely.

Serena took Henin to 3 sets and nearly beat her at the 2003 French when Justine was just entering her 1st main peak. And Serena also beat Henin at Rome and nearly beat her in Berlin in 2002 when Serena was at her peak, and while Henin clearly was not she was already excellent on clay (when not injured ala the 2002 French). Peak Henin would most times beat peak Serena on clay but there would be a good chance of a 3 setter.

Davenport's is prime Henin's lapdog. Henin won 7 matches in a row from 2003 to 2006, but all 5 completed matches if you discount the 2 retirements. And you cant say Davenport wasnt good anymore as she ended the year ranked #1 in both 2004 and 2005 and could have won several majors those 2 years combined with a bit more luck. Yet even in 2004 Henin won both their meetings on hard courts, Davenport's favorite surface by far and far ahead of grass, in easy straight sets. Yes Henin would probably win on grass since while Davenport is probably better on grass a prime let alone peak Henin is a nightmare matchup for her, and Davenport wouldnt believe she could win or be able to last physically and mentally for the 3 sets. And Davenport isnt a dominant or legendary grass courter like Venus or Serena either.

Capriati is Davenport's lapdog, even after Capriati's peak from 2001-2003. During this 2001-2003 period which was clearly Capriati's peak she still lost 4 out of 5 completed matches to Davenport, and lost their only clay court meeting during this time as well. Capriati moves alot better and competes harder but it doesnt matter when they play since they play similar games and Davenport has Capriati beat on every shot- serve, return, backhand, even forehand.

miffedmax
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:21 PM
Sorry, but I'm watching the Bali equivalent where Peak Safina has just beaten herself to death with her own racket, Peak Elena has just crawled up into the stands and is curled up in a fetal position in Mommy Vera's lap and trying to breastfeed, Peak Jankovic's on-court skirt change has just revealed a vestigial penis, Peak Myskina is drinking Jens' blood, Peak Kuzzy is walking around the court talking to an imaginary friend, Peak Ana has thrown all the balls over the fence practicing her toss in warmups, Peak Caro has just collapsed on court and offered to concede and Peak Bepa has accidently drowned herself in her own tears.

And we won't start play until tomorrow.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:21 PM
2003 was basically Justine's peak on clay, it's the only time she's had to play someone decent to win a RG title.

Fair enough but it was also was definitely peak Serena and Justine was 2-0. And even in 2002 which definitely wasnt peak or even prime Justine she went 1-1 vs Serena on clay. I would favor Henin over Serena for sure with both at their peaks on clay, but it would be a good battle too I think.

twight6
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:35 PM
You obviously dont follow the careers of these women very closely.

Serena took Henin to 3 sets and nearly beat her at the 2003 French when Justine was just entering her 1st main peak. And Serena also beat Henin at Rome and nearly beat her in Berlin in 2002 when Serena was at her peak, and while Henin clearly was not she was already excellent on clay (when not injured ala the 2002 French). Peak Henin would most times beat peak Serena on clay but there would be a good chance of a 3 setter.

Davenport's is prime Henin's lapdog. Henin won 7 matches in a row from 2003 to 2006, but all 5 completed matches if you discount the 2 retirements. And you cant say Davenport wasnt good anymore as she ended the year ranked #1 in both 2004 and 2005 and could have won several majors those 2 years combined with a bit more luck. Yet even in 2004 Henin won both their meetings on hard courts, Davenport's favorite surface by far and far ahead of grass, in easy straight sets. Yes Henin would probably win on grass since while Davenport is probably better on grass a prime let alone peak Henin is a nightmare matchup for her, and Davenport wouldnt believe she could win or be able to last physically and mentally for the 3 sets. And Davenport isnt a dominant or legendary grass courter like Venus or Serena either.

Capriati is Davenport's lapdog, even after Capriati's peak from 2001-2003. During this 2001-2003 period which was clearly Capriati's peak she still lost 4 out of 5 completed matches to Davenport, and lost their only clay court meeting during this time as well. Capriati moves alot better and competes harder but it doesnt matter when they play since they play similar games and Davenport has Capriati beat on every shot- serve, return, backhand, even forehand.

:spit: "first main peak" :haha:. Sorry, I couldn't get past that part of your post. Glad to see people know what the word "peak" means.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:48 PM
There are many pointless options on this poll anyway:

Sharapova- she never had a year she was the best player in the World even that year so how could her peak be the best of everyones peak of the last 10 years when it wasnt even the best in any one random year.

Clijsters- repeat what I said for Maria except maybe she was the best barely in 2005 in a year Serena and Henin mostly sucked.

Mauresmo- seriously, is this a joke. OK granted credit to her for beating Henin in 2 slam finals in one of her strong years, but still.

Capriati- hahaha


Peak Hingis should have been an option. Actually might as well go back futher and include peak Graf and peak Seles, rather than waste space with redundant options who were never even briefly dominant players even at their very best.

LCS
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:54 PM
Lol at peak Capriati votes. She barely won the 2002 AO over a not peak Hingis.

The Daviator
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:59 PM
Tennis is alot about matchups. Davenport was Henin's lapdog once Henin came into her own. I think eventually she had a mental block about even playing Henin. Didnt Henin win their last 7 or 8 matches in a row starting in early 2003, ok granted I know none were on grass but still. As for what would happen, on grass Davenport would probably overpower in the 1st set. Henin would grit her teeth and begin playing a bit more agressively, grinding some balls back. She would win a few big points and Davenport would become frusterated, start making more errors frusterated by Henin's defense and scrapiness, and do her usual handdog against opponents she doesnt feel confident against. And as this happens Henin would gain even more motive and start being a bit more agressive still and also start to capatilize on Davenport's poor movement, and eventually the sweet hitting but unathletic Davenport would be worn down physically.

Well then obviously you're not talking about 'peak' Davenport, cos peak Davenport doesn't do this, it kinda defeats the point when a player at her 'peak' is making errors and becoming frustrated.

Peak Davenport, on grass, does not lose her serve 5 or 6 times in 2 sets, which is what you're suggesting in the Henin match, sorry.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:04 PM
Well then obviously you're not talking about 'peak' Davenport, cos peak Davenport doesn't do this, it kinda defeats the point when a player at her 'peak' is making errors and becoming frustrated.

Peak Davenport, on grass, does not lose her serve 5 or 6 times in 2 sets, which is what you're suggesting in the Henin match, sorry.

Yes peak Davenport does get frusterated easily, does mope around vs people she doesnt like playing (eg- her matches vs a very young Serena who was then much lower ranked than she, and her early matches with Mauresmo before she figured her out), and does get start to mail it in and get tired both mentally and physically when the going gets tough. It seems some people have an inflated view of peak Davenport. She was never a dominant player, she never even won 2 slams in the same year, and often couldnt win any slams while ranked #1, and she had multiple people who owned her even during all those years she was ranked #1 or #2 in the world.

And I dont remember exactly how many times Davenport lost her serv e to Venus at Wimbledon in both 2000 and 2001 but it was alot in both matches. And yeah I know peak Venus is alot better than Henin on grass. And if you want to say 2001 wasnt really peak Davenport anymore, well ok, 1998 was more peak Davenport than 2001 and Natalie freaking Tauziat broke her serve 4 times in 9 serve games in a complete rout.

twight6
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:05 PM
Well then obviously you're not talking about 'peak' Davenport, cos peak Davenport doesn't do this, it kinda defeats the point when a player at her 'peak' is making errors and becoming frustrated.

Peak Davenport, on grass, does not lose her serve 5 or 6 times in 2 sets, which is what you're suggesting in the Henin match, sorry.

Exactly. 1999 Davenport won Wimbledon without dropping a set, and with only 2 7-5/7-6 sets, and I wouldn't even consider that her peak.

In a "peak" tournament with these players, I doubt Lindsay would win, but you can bet that she wouldn't lose any sets worse than 6-3, not with the way she can serve AND return.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:12 PM
Exactly. 1999 Davenport won Wimbledon without dropping a set, and with only 2 7-5/7-6 sets, and I wouldn't even consider that her peak.

In a "peak" tournament with these players, I doubt Lindsay would win, but you can bet that she wouldn't lose any sets worse than 6-3, not with the way she can serve AND return.

So 1999 wasnt Davenports peak. You actually make Davenport look worse by making any other year her peak.

1998- spanked by Tauziat at Wimbledon, obviously had trouble holding serve (or breaking).

2000- got her serve broken frequently by Venus in the final.

2001- got her serve broken with ease repeatedly by Venus in the semis, in what would have been a 2 set rout without a lapse by Venus late in the 2nd set.

2004- lost to Sharapova in Wimbledon semis after big lead.

2005- OK great showing at Wimbledon, although Mauresmo served for a straight sets win in the semis. Still was already being owned by Henin and Clijsters on tour for years by this point.

twight6
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:20 PM
Yes peak Davenport does get frusterated easily, does mope around vs people she doesnt like playing (eg- her matches vs a very young Serena who was then much lower ranked than she, and her early matches with Mauresmo before she figured her out), and does get start to mail it in and get tired both mentally and physically when the going gets tough. It seems some people have an inflated view of peak Davenport. She was never a dominant player, she never even won 2 slams in the same year, and often couldnt win any slams while ranked #1, and she had multiple people who owned her even during all those years she was ranked #1 or #2 in the world.

And I dont remember exactly how many times Davenport lost her serv e to Venus at Wimbledon in both 2000 and 2001 but it was alot in both matches. And yeah I know peak Venus is alot better than Henin on grass. And if you want to say 2001 wasnt really peak Davenport anymore, well ok, 1998 was more peak Davenport than 2001 and Natalie freaking Tauziat broke her serve 4 times in 9 serve games in a complete rout.

That's the problem with this argument. What exactly is peak? You can sit there and say- yeah, Davenport got crushed by Tauziat in 1998, so Davenport peak must be worse than Tauziat.... umm, no? Davenport has a 13-3 record against Tauziat, including a 6-0 6-3 win that same year. Obviously, Davenport wasn't playing her best in that match, so you can't use that as an argument.

Davenport would not lose to Tauziat playing her best, just like she would not lose a 6-1 set to Henin on grass. Period.

As for the rest of your argument- Lindsay has more singles titles and finals than any other player on that list. No, she never won more than 1 grand slam in a year, but she won 3 grand slams without dropping a single set, while beating players like Hingis, Venus, Capriati, Graf. I could easily make an argument that Lindsay didn't play her best at (most) grand slams, and also taht she didn't play her best as the #1 player in the world. Obviously, the stats you're providing and matches you're giving as examples don't show "peak" Davenport.


Lindsay at her best scores a 6-0 6-0 win over Sharapova, and beats Venus and Serena back-to-back, in straight sets, on California hardcourts.

twight6
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:24 PM
So 1999 wasnt Davenports peak. You actually make Davenport look worse by making any other year her peak.

1998- spanked by Tauziat at Wimbledon, obviously had trouble holding serve (or breaking).

2000- got her serve broken frequently by Venus in the final.

2001- got her serve broken with ease repeatedly by Venus in the semis, in what would have been a 2 set rout without a lapse by Venus late in the 2nd set.

2004- lost to Sharapova in Wimbledon semis after big lead.

2005- OK great showing at Wimbledon, although Mauresmo served for a straight sets win in the semis. Still was already being owned by Henin and Clijsters on tour for years by this point.

You. Are. An. Idiot.

1998- A loss to Tauziat OBVIOUSLY isn't Lindsay's "peak" play.
2000- You say "frequently," but the match was 6-3 7-6, which BOTH sets are better than 6-1/6-2 and consisted of only 1 break.. Which, proves that you're an idiot.
2001- Again, you say "broken with ease repeatedly" but you in fact have no idea what the stats are for that match. Really not a good match, certainly not "peak" Davenport.

Just stop. These stats obviously aren't "Peak" Lindsay. She can be playing her best in a year and still have bad matches. This thread isn't about a player have a good year, it's about them playing their "peak" for one tournament.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:28 PM
You. Are. An. Idiot.

1998- A loss to Tauziat OBVIOUSLY isn't Lindsay's "peak" play.
2000- You say "frequently," but the match was 6-3 7-6, which BOTH sets are better than 6-1/6-2 and consisted of only 1 break.. Which, proves that you're an idiot.
2001- Again, you say "broken with ease repeatedly" but you in fact have no idea what the stats are for that match. Really not a good match, certainly not "peak" Davenport.

Just stop. These stats obviously aren't "Peak" Lindsay. She can be playing her best in a year and still have bad matches. This thread isn't about a player have a good year, it's about them playing their "peak" for one tournament.

ROTFL you dimwitted idiot. You cant stand that I called you out on your faulty logic on things like peak Lindsay isnt losing serve much, or peak Lindsay wasnt 1999 when it was by far the most impressive she played at Wimbledon (remember idiot that was your statement, not mine). So now you are getting desperate and just saying she wasnt playing her best in any year. And basically you are now saying she wasnt any year other than 1999 at Wimbledon, HELLO you are the one who said 1999 wasnt her peak at Wimbledon (which I never believed it wasnt, I was just going along with if this were true), so you are already contradicting yourself. Thanks for the laughs, your intelligence level is what I would expect from someone who has an overhyped quitter 1 slam fluke like that as your avatar. :lol:

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:30 PM
Lindsay at her best scores a 6-0 6-0 win over Sharapova, and beats Venus and Serena back-to-back, in straight sets, on California hardcourts.

Yes and that was Sharapova, Venus, and Serena all playing their best those days. :lol: And Lindsay at her best is so much better than Maria, after all with her 1-5 head to head with her, all but one of the matches in years she was ranked #1. And Lindsay beat Venus and Serena so many times anywhere when they were near their best from 2000 to 2003. Heck in Serena's case even at Lindsay's "peak" in 98-99 when Serena was just an up coming ball crushing kid. Again thanks for the laughs.

The Daviator
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:37 PM
Yes peak Davenport does get frusterated easily, does mope around vs people she doesnt like playing (eg- her matches vs a very young Serena who was then much lower ranked than she, and her early matches with Mauresmo before she figured her out), and does get start to mail it in and get tired both mentally and physically when the going gets tough. It seems some people have an inflated view of peak Davenport. She was never a dominant player, she never even won 2 slams in the same year, and often couldnt win any slams while ranked #1, and she had multiple people who owned her even during all those years she was ranked #1 or #2 in the world.

And I dont remember exactly how many times Davenport lost her serv e to Venus at Wimbledon in both 2000 and 2001 but it was alot in both matches. And yeah I know peak Venus is alot better than Henin on grass. And if you want to say 2001 wasnt really peak Davenport anymore, well ok, 1998 was more peak Davenport than 2001 and Natalie freaking Tauziat broke her serve 4 times in 9 serve games in a complete rout.

Who owned her between 1998 and 2001? :confused: Serena/Henin/Sharapova owned her, that's it. She is 8-9 versus Kim and won the last 2 matches.

Davenport has one of the best serves of all time, especially on grass, if she's broken 5-7 times in a match on grass, then she's obviously not at her peak.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:46 PM
Who owned her between 1998 and 2001 :confused: Serena/Henin/Sharapova owned her

So that is still multiple players. She was 1-5 vs the always lower ranked Serena from 1998-2000, and she was owned completely by Sharapova, Henin, and Kim on hard courts, while ranked #2 in the mid 2000s. So even while #1 in the World there were players that didnt just play her even but had her number.

Anyway this is getting silly and off topic. Bottom line is even peak Davenport can lose serve often at Wimbledon as she did vs Venus in their matches there, especialy when she starts to give up vs people she doesnt feel she can beat, and anyone who denies even peak Davenport had this syndrome are either blind or lived uner a rock. And I stand by my opinion a peak Henin would beat a peak Davenport at Wimbledon not because she is better on grass but because she is a horrible matchup for Davenport once she became a real player.

The Daviator
Sep 28th, 2010, 07:50 PM
So that is still multiple players. She was 1-5 vs the always lower ranked Serena from 1998-2000, and she was owned completely by Sharapova, Henin, and Kim on hard courts, while ranked #2 in the mid 2000s. So even while #1 in the World there were players that didnt just play her even but had her number.

Anyway this is getting silly and off topic. Bottom line is even peak Davenport can lose serve often at Wimbledon as she did vs Venus in their matches there, especialy when she starts to give up vs people she doesnt feel she can beat, and anyone who denies even peak Davenport had this syndrome are either blind or lived uner a rock. And I stand by my opinion a peak Henin would beat a peak Davenport at Wimbledon not because she is better on grass but because she is a horrible matchup for Davenport once she became a real player.

Henin and Sharapova didn't own her between 1998 and 2001, so Serena did? Who isn't owned by Serena?

Forget about the serve, so peak Davenport (One of the best returners ever too!) also fails to break Henin a single time in 2 sets? Despite the fact that Henin, even at her peak, always has a first serve % of around 50??? Just give up :lol:

miffedmax
Sep 28th, 2010, 08:15 PM
Due to Safina's untimely demise, I asked Schiavone to join my tournament as an alternate and she punched me in the face.

selesisqueen
Sep 28th, 2010, 08:24 PM
Henin and Sharapova didn't own her between 1998 and 2001, so Serena did? Who isn't owned by Serena?

Forget about the serve, so peak Davenport (One of the best returners ever too!) also fails to break Henin a single time in 2 sets? Despite the fact that Henin, even at her peak, always has a first serve % of around 50??? Just give up :lol:

Of course Henin and Sharapova didnt own Davenport from 1998 to 2000. Maria was a 11 to 13 year old girl, and Henin was a top 100 player starting out on tour. Once they both became good they completely owned Davenport, even though Lindsay was still making all kinds of slam finals and taking the #1 ranking so none of this way past her prime nonsense.

And Serena from 1998 to 2000 did not own every top player just because she owned Davenport. That is why she won only 1 slam and never reached higher than #4 in the rankings those few years. Serena lost most matches she played vs others like Venus and Hingis during that time she still owned the often #1 ranked Davenport.

What happened in the matches in 2004-2006 in the matches between Henin and Davenport, all years Davenport spent time ranked #1? Yeah I thought so. You are the one who needs to give it up rather than continuing your race with that twight moron to be the biggest idiot or Davenport fan club groupie on this thread. Davenport is prime Henin's lapdog. Peak Henin would beat peak Davenport on any surface, even grass where yes peak Davenport is slightly superior (I am not going to say much, you are comparing a 1 time only Wimbledon winner vs a 2 time runner up) but would still lose in a head to head.

Inger67
Sep 28th, 2010, 08:34 PM
QF:
Peak Serena def. Peak Mauresmo 6-1 6-1
Peak Venus def. Peak Capriati 6-7 6-4 6-3
Peak Davenport def. Peak Clijsters 4-6 7-6 6-4
Peak Henin def. Peak Sharapova 6-4 6-3

SF:
Peak Serena def. Peak Venus 6-2 6-0
Peak Henin def. Peak Davenport 6-4 7-6

F:
Peak Henin def. Peak Serena 7-6 6-1

Uh.. Are you fucking serious? Peak Venus will win 2 games off of her sister? Right.

miffedmax
Sep 28th, 2010, 09:11 PM
I was going to ask Peak Azarenka to join my tournament, but it turned out I was talking to JJ the whole time!

Boy, was that embarassing. But TOB says she can't tell them apart either, so I don't feel quite as bad.

madmax
Sep 28th, 2010, 09:37 PM
I was going to ask Peak Azarenka to join my tournament, but it turned out I was talking to JJ the whole time!

Boy, was that embarassing. But TOB says she can't tell them apart either, so I don't feel quite as bad.

:devil::worship:I think max just effectively ended this "peak" thread

Dawson.
Sep 28th, 2010, 10:09 PM
Sorry, but I'm watching the Bali equivalent where Peak Safina has just beaten herself to death with her own racket, Peak Elena has just crawled up into the stands and is curled up in a fetal position in Mommy Vera's lap and trying to breastfeed, Peak Jankovic's on-court skirt change has just revealed a vestigial penis, Peak Myskina is drinking Jens' blood, Peak Kuzzy is walking around the court talking to an imaginary friend, Peak Ana has thrown all the balls over the fence practicing her toss in warmups, Peak Caro has just collapsed on court and offered to concede and Peak Bepa has accidently drowned herself in her own tears.

And we won't start play until tomorrow.

If there was a peak post tournie, this post would win without dropping a single point.

Dave.
Sep 28th, 2010, 10:49 PM
Davenport's is prime Henin's lapdog. Henin won 7 matches in a row from 2003 to 2006, but all 5 completed matches if you discount the 2 retirements. And you cant say Davenport wasnt good anymore as she ended the year ranked #1 in both 2004 and 2005 and could have won several majors those 2 years combined with a bit more luck. Yet even in 2004 Henin won both their meetings on hard courts, Davenport's favorite surface by far and far ahead of grass, in easy straight sets. Yes Henin would probably win on grass since while Davenport is probably better on grass a prime let alone peak Henin is a nightmare matchup for her, and Davenport wouldnt believe she could win or be able to last physically and mentally for the 3 sets. And Davenport isnt a dominant or legendary grass courter like Venus or Serena either.


Henin never won a match against Prime Davenport and Lindsay was never her lapdog. Retirements aside their H2H was even. Even after Lindsay's career-diving and peak-ending 2001/2002 injury (she was never the same after that), she still beat Henin and it still took arguably the biggest effort of Henin's career (+"cramping") to finally overcome her main obstacle and beat Davenport, in what would be Henin's peak year and Davenport's worst season in 10 years.

Yes peak Davenport does get frusterated easily, does mope around vs people she doesnt like playing (eg- her matches vs a very young Serena who was then much lower ranked than she, and her early matches with Mauresmo before she figured her out), and does get start to mail it in and get tired both mentally and physically when the going gets tough. It seems some people have an inflated view of peak Davenport. She was never a dominant player, she never even won 2 slams in the same year, and often couldnt win any slams while ranked #1, and she had multiple people who owned her even during all those years she was ranked #1 or #2 in the world.

1998-early/2000 was a pretty dominant period if you ask me. And she did too win 2 slams within a year. Those were the days she regularly slaughtered her biggest rival (if we use that word re:Hingis) and also owned Venus. Apart from Serena, nobody owned Davenport during this period.


So 1999 wasnt Davenports peak. You actually make Davenport look worse by making any other year her peak.

1998- spanked by Tauziat at Wimbledon, obviously had trouble holding serve (or breaking).

2000- got her serve broken frequently by Venus in the final.

2001- got her serve broken with ease repeatedly by Venus in the semis, in what would have been a 2 set rout without a lapse by Venus late in the 2nd set.

2004- lost to Sharapova in Wimbledon semis after big lead.

2005- OK great showing at Wimbledon, although Mauresmo served for a straight sets win in the semis. Still was already being owned by Henin and Clijsters on tour for years by this point.

In 1998 Davenport peaked after Wimbledon (grass btw was still her least favourite surface, so any result at Wimbledon doesn't indicate anything re: her "peak"). By 1999 she was in her prime and we all know what happened. Unfortunately by Wimbledon 2000, her peak run had been stopped by injury just months before and she had been absent/out of form before and during that tournament. Same with the following year. 2004 she was considering retirement (!), 2005 err did you see the 4R??

twight6
Sep 28th, 2010, 11:11 PM
ROTFL you dimwitted idiot. You cant stand that I called you out on your faulty logic on things like peak Lindsay isnt losing serve much, or peak Lindsay wasnt 1999 when it was by far the most impressive she played at Wimbledon (remember idiot that was your statement, not mine). So now you are getting desperate and just saying she wasnt playing her best in any year. And basically you are now saying she wasnt any year other than 1999 at Wimbledon, HELLO you are the one who said 1999 wasnt her peak at Wimbledon (which I never believed it wasnt, I was just going along with if this were true), so you are already contradicting yourself. Thanks for the laughs, your intelligence level is what I would expect from someone who has an overhyped quitter 1 slam fluke like that as your avatar. :lol:

:spit: You're not understanding something very simple here.. A player can be at their PEAK for one tournament, or two, or half a year, or one day; it doesn't have to be an entire year that they were at their peak. So stop being a jack-ass. Peak Davenport would not lose a 6-1 or 6-2 set to Henin on any surface, especially grass, and if you truly thing she would, then this conversation is done. Tell me a match where Lindsay was AT HER PEAK, IN THAT MATCH and still lost a set 6-0/1/or 2 (not in a different tournament that same year, or even one day after she was at her peak, but one where she played her absolute best) TO ANY PLAYER, and you win. Otherwise, STFU.

twight6
Sep 28th, 2010, 11:15 PM
So that is still multiple players. She was 1-5 vs the always lower ranked Serena from 1998-2000, and she was owned completely by Sharapova, Henin, and Kim on hard courts, while ranked #2 in the mid 2000s. So even while #1 in the World there were players that didnt just play her even but had her number.

Anyway this is getting silly and off topic. Bottom line is even peak Davenport can lose serve often at Wimbledon as she did vs Venus in their matches there, especialy when she starts to give up vs people she doesnt feel she can beat, and anyone who denies even peak Davenport had this syndrome are either blind or lived uner a rock. And I stand by my opinion a peak Henin would beat a peak Davenport at Wimbledon not because she is better on grass but because she is a horrible matchup for Davenport once she became a real player.

LINDSAY WAS NOT AT HER PEAK IN THOSE FUCKING MATCHES. Are you stupid? You want to say that people "don't follow players' careers," yet you want to argue that Lindsay was at her peak when she lost a 6-1 set? :weirdo: She has one of the best return games in the history of the game, as well as an amazing serve, she would hold or break more than one time against any player, in any generation, on any surface. End of story.

MakarovaFan
Sep 28th, 2010, 11:21 PM
This thread contradicts itself....if you go by form of those actual listed years then many of your results are way skewed...and if you go by who you think is better(at their best) then,well that defeats the purpose.Just a side note but Serena's form in the AO 2007 Final was far superior than her short peak/domination period in 2002/2003 where honestly most of the competition was still scared of her so she would have matches won before even stepping on the court..with that said none of these girls if at "peak" would be scared(which was a BIG factor in Serena's dominance). Therefore Serena being the OVERWHELMING favorite outside of clay,its just wrong. Outside of Capriati, maybe Mauresmo and MAYBE Davenport i'd say the other 4 all have a good chance(best vs best) to challenge Serena on just about any surface.

MH0861
Sep 28th, 2010, 11:28 PM
Yes peak Davenport does get frusterated easily, does mope around vs people she doesnt like playing (eg- her matches vs a very young Serena who was then much lower ranked than she, and her early matches with Mauresmo before she figured her out), and does get start to mail it in and get tired both mentally and physically when the going gets tough. It seems some people have an inflated view of peak Davenport. She was never a dominant player, she never even won 2 slams in the same year, and often couldnt win any slams while ranked #1, and she had multiple people who owned her even during all those years she was ranked #1 or #2 in the world.

And I dont remember exactly how many times Davenport lost her serv e to Venus at Wimbledon in both 2000 and 2001 but it was alot in both matches. And yeah I know peak Venus is alot better than Henin on grass. And if you want to say 2001 wasnt really peak Davenport anymore, well ok, 1998 was more peak Davenport than 2001 and Natalie freaking Tauziat broke her serve 4 times in 9 serve games in a complete rout.

Hi, peak Davenport won Wimbledon and peak Henin did not :wavey:

Henin would get trampled by Lindsay worse than she was by freakin' Bartoli in 2007 at Wimbledon :haha:

Please watch Wimbledon 2005 R16 vs Clijsters. It's a very insightful match. Lindsay was consistently bitchslapped by Clijsters on hard courts from 2003-Indian Wells 2005, but once she got on grass she even survived a choke to shut down Kim handily in the third :wavey: I have no doubt Lindsay would do the same thing to Justine on grass.

LightWarrior
Sep 28th, 2010, 11:37 PM
This thread is so irrelevant regarding Serena. Peak Serena peak at Slams regardless of what form she's in. I mean comparing THIS to peak Momo for instance makes it even more irrelevant.

MH0861
Sep 28th, 2010, 11:39 PM
A more interesting topic would be Peak vs Peak besides the Williams Sisters at like the Pan Pacific Open

Lord Choc Ice
Sep 29th, 2010, 12:06 AM
Peak Venus gets my vote.

twight6
Sep 29th, 2010, 12:33 AM
Hi, peak Davenport won Wimbledon and peak Henin did not :wavey:
Henin would get trampled by Lindsay worse than she was by freakin' Bartoli in 2007 at Wimbledon :haha:

Please watch Wimbledon 2005 R16 vs Clijsters. It's a very insightful match. Lindsay was consistently bitchslapped by Clijsters on hard courts from 2003-Indian Wells 2005, but once she got on grass she even survived a choke to shut down Kim handily in the third :wavey: I have no doubt Lindsay would do the same thing to Justine on grass.

Thank you, end of argument.

selesisqueen
Sep 29th, 2010, 01:58 AM
Henin never won a match against Prime Davenport and Lindsay was never her lapdog.

ROTFL!!!!! Davenport ended 2004 and 2005 #1 in the World. And Davenport reached 2 slam finals in 2005. Yeah so a 3 slam Champion caliber player could be "past her prime" and still be #1 in the World and reaching multiple slam finals in the same year. Please.

And Lindsay was never Henin's lapdog!?!? Lindsay lost her last 7 meetings in a row to Henin. Once Henin even came close to the start of her prime Lindsay could never beat her. Lindsay could only win when Henin was a bottom top 10 player. That is a lapdog. Thanks.

Even after Lindsay's career-diving and peak-ending 2001/2002 injury (she was never the same after that), she still beat Henin and it still took arguably the biggest effort of Henin's career (+"cramping") to finally overcome her main obstacle and beat Davenport, in what would be Henin's peak year and Davenport's worst season in 10 years.

You claim (wrongly) that Henin never beat a prime Davenport, but do you really think Lindsay ever beat a prime Henin? Of course not, Davenport for sure never once beat a prime Henin as all her wins were 2002 or earlier. Let me guess though, you are now going to say Lindsay was "past her prime" in years like 2004 and 2005 when she was ranked #1 in the World, but Henin of 2002 was already in her prime while getting owned by Clijsters, Davenport, a nearly retired Seles, Hantuchova, Dokic, and losing before the quarters of atleast half of the slams she played. :lol: And Henin's "prime" did not start until the 2003 clay court season. It definitely was not even at the 2003 Australian Open. And that is the last time Lindsay would even be close to beating Henin.

Lindsay was playing much better in 2004 and 2005 than she was in 2001 and most of 2000 so your comment about her prime ending injury makes no sense either. It set her back for awhile but then she came back, even back to beating the Williams (albeit on a low time for them) for awhile, but never again back to beating her daddy Henin.


1998-early/2000 was a pretty dominant period if you ask me. And she did too win 2 slams within a year. Those were the days she regularly slaughtered her biggest rival (if we use that word re:Hingis) and also owned Venus. Apart from Serena, nobody owned Davenport during this period.

Dominant? So you are dominant while another player spends most of the time ranked #1 (Hingis), while you are owned by one of your main rivals who is still developing (Serena), and while you dont make more than 1 slam final in either of your best years (98 or 99). Yeah ok. :lol: What will be the next, the World #3 as the games dominant player. And while her record against Hingis was impressive, do you really think 98-99 was even close to a prime Venus.


In 1998 Davenport peaked after Wimbledon (grass btw was still her least favourite surface, so any result at Wimbledon doesn't indicate anything re: her "peak"). By 1999 she was in her prime and we all know what happened. Unfortunately by Wimbledon 2000, her peak run had been stopped by injury just months before and she had been absent/out of form before and during that tournament. Same with the following year. 2004 she was considering retirement (!), 2005 err did you see the 4R??

So she only one peak year at Wimbledon? Fine, atleast you arent trying to deny 1999 wasnt even her peak at Wimbledon like one other clueless twat did. :lol: I guess how the 1999 Davenport at Wimbledon would fare against others is open for debate. I think the 1999 Davenport at Wimbledon is probably better than Henin's best at Wimbledon, but Henin would still probably win because for all the strange denials of it Davenport is prime Henin's lapdog and prime Henin is a terrible matchup for Davenport. Either way it would be close though I am sure.

twight6
Sep 29th, 2010, 02:48 AM
So she only one peak year at Wimbledon? Fine, atleast you arent trying to deny 1999 wasnt even her peak at Wimbledon like one other clueless twat did. :lol: I guess how the 1999 Davenport at Wimbledon would fare against others is open for debate. I think the 1999 Davenport at Wimbledon is probably better than Henin's best at Wimbledon, but Henin would still probably win because for all the strange denials of it Davenport is prime Henin's lapdog and prime Henin is a terrible matchup for Davenport. Either way it would be close though I am sure.

Good, you just admitted you're wrong, and an absolute idiot. Now stfu.

JamieOwen3
Sep 29th, 2010, 03:18 AM
I love a few of these players but only one winner here, and that is the Serena and her catsuit! Fact!

Venus might get close to her like the 2003 AO Final, but still as much as i love Venus her at her peak isn't better than Serena.

Maria at the 2008 AO was a delight to watch just everything about her that year was awesome, we even saw her volley very well! but again due to serena's mind blowing movement and strokes in 2002 she is superior to Maria :wavey:

im not going through them all but you get the picture ;)

Havok
Sep 29th, 2010, 06:03 AM
Where's Pierce? She would simply destroy in this type of tournament!

The Witch-king
Sep 29th, 2010, 06:25 AM
Sorry, but I'm watching the Bali equivalent where Peak Safina has just beaten herself to death with her own racket, Peak Elena has just crawled up into the stands and is curled up in a fetal position in Mommy Vera's lap and trying to breastfeed, Peak Jankovic's on-court skirt change has just revealed a vestigial penis, Peak Myskina is drinking Jens' blood, Peak Kuzzy is walking around the court talking to an imaginary friend, Peak Ana has thrown all the balls over the fence practicing her toss in warmups, Peak Caro has just collapsed on court and offered to concede and Peak Bepa has accidently drowned herself in her own tears.

And we won't start play until tomorrow.

:lol:

Matt01
Sep 29th, 2010, 08:57 AM
Where's Pierce? She would simply destroy in this type of tournament!


I guess that's why she was left out...