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New
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:45 PM
Not too sure if this has been discussed, but Kimiko's results today made me curious and I checked the ranks in the top 200 and I realised that 11 players ( including Kimiko herself) are born in the 1970s. If you look at the players, most (I used "most" as I'm not sure, but as far as I can recall) aren't even former top 3 players. So why the motivation to continue based on average results?

So I was wondering if Kimiko's comeback is motivating all of them.

(Based on 27th Sept 2010, TheBoiledEgg's ranking update after Tokyo Open 1st round)

44 - Patty Schnyder - 14/12/1978 - 31 yrs old
59 - Kimiko Date-Krumm - 28/09/1970 - 40 yrs old
80 - Tathiana Garbin - 30/06/1977 - 33 yrs old
87 - Greta Arn -13/04/1979 - 31 yrs old
96 - Tamarine Tanasugarn - 24/05/1977 - 33 yrs old
122 - Jill Craybas - 04/07/1974 - 36 yrs old
130 - Rosana De Los Rios - 16/09/1975 - 35 yrs old
176 - Catalina Castano - 07/07/1979 - 31 yrs old
182 - Anne Kremer - 17/10/1975 - 34 yrs old
194 - Severine Beltrame - 14/08/1979 - 31 yrs old
195 - Lilia Osterloh - 07/04/1978 - 32 yrs old
202 - Lindsay Lee-Waters - 28/06/1977 - 33 yrs ( she is only 4 points from top 200, so I thought I might as well put her in...)


I know that those born in 1980 are also 30 yrs old and are only one year younger, but hitting 30 and being after 30, I think there is a slight difference.

I know Venus has also hit the big 30, but I think she doesn't suit this thread's discussion as she has been and still is a top player, so there is no reason for her to just retire out of the blue.

So what are your views?

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Date is 77th in the race after 16 tournaments.
Thats a tough life for a 40 year old. A lot of traveling, probably a lot of aches and pains.

And 96 in 2010 prizemoney. Behind Julie Coin.

For an older player to come back, they would have to really love the sport.

New
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:56 PM
Date is 77th in the race after 16 tournaments.
Thats a tough life for a 40 year old. A lot of traveling, probably a lot of aches and pains.

And 96 in 2010 prizemoney. Behind Julie Coin.

For an older player to come back, they would have to really love the sport.

Yeah I was thinking of that too! That is why I was curious... and amazingly, when I scroll down further... the next name I saw was way back at #337 - Mashona Washington - 34 yrs old

So that means all these girls mentioned above is really putting in effort to stay in the top 200! (I'm not saying Mashona is not, but she might be injuried or something) and it ain't easy!

A Magicman
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:06 PM
So why the motivation to continue based on average results?

87 - Greta Arn -13/04/1979 - 31 yrs old

As for Great Granaten Greta, I can say that she was sorta out of the circuit for several years from somewhen in late 2002 until somewhen in 2006 (though I dunnoi why - maybe she studied) and she said that she feels physically fine and wants to be around for a while.

She has been climbing up the rankings this year from 240 in May to around 90 now, starts getting some pretty neat results, will reach a new career high sorta soon (it's 81 up until now) and will beat Pushinsky tomorrow.

So everything is perfectly fine and I do hope that she will stay and play for quite a while :)

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:44 PM
Not too sure if this has been discussed, but Kimiko's results today made me curious and I checked the ranks in the top 200 and I realised that 11 players ( including Kimiko herself) are born in the 1970s. If you look at the players, most (I used "most" as I'm not sure, but as far as I can recall) aren't even former top 3 players. So why the motivation to continue based on average results?

So I was wondering if Kimiko's comeback is motivating all of them.

(Based on 27th Sept 2010, TheBoiledEgg's ranking update after Tokyo Open 1st round)

44 - Patty Schnyder - 14/12/1978 - 31 yrs old
59 - Kimiko Date-Krumm - 28/09/1970 - 40 yrs old
80 - Tathiana Garbin - 30/06/1977 - 33 yrs old
87 - Greta Arn -13/04/1979 - 31 yrs old
96 - Tamarine Tanasugarn - 24/05/1977 - 33 yrs old
122 - Jill Craybas - 04/07/1974 - 36 yrs old
130 - Rosana De Los Rios - 16/09/1975 - 35 yrs old
176 - Catalina Castano - 07/07/1979 - 31 yrs old
182 - Anne Kremer - 17/10/1975 - 34 yrs old
194 - Severine Beltrame - 14/08/1979 - 31 yrs old
195 - Lilia Osterloh - 07/04/1978 - 32 yrs old
202 - Lindsay Lee-Waters - 28/06/1977 - 33 yrs ( she is only 4 points from top 200, so I thought I might as well put her in...)


I know that those born in 1980 are also 30 yrs old and are only one year younger, but hitting 30 and being after 30, I think there is a slight difference.

I know Venus has also hit the big 30, but I think she doesn't suit this thread's discussion as she has been and still is a top player, so there is no reason for her to just retire out of the blue.

So what are your views?

I think the most notable thing about this list is that aside from Kimiko there are only another 4 players in the top 100 over the age of 30. And of those 4 none of them are over 33 years old. And some idiotic posters think it is easy just to keep playing into one's 30s without losing any form. The fact is it is not, and the lack of over 30s in the top 100 proves it. That Kimiko is having success at over 6 years older than the next oldest player the top 100 simply says what a remarkable player Kimiko is.

It should in fairness be added that there are 4 additional players in the top 100 who are 30 years old but not older, those being Venus Williams, Francesca Schiavone, Sybille Bammer and Zuzana Ondraskova. Still that is only 9 players over 30 in the top 100, 4 of which are only over by a few months. Maintaining a top 100 standard after the age of thirty is very very hard. And every year it gets harder. Staying in the the top 100 after the age of 35 is even harder. The number of players who have managed to stay in the top 100 past the age of 35 in the last 20 or so years would probably be less than 10. As for being in the top 100 at the age of 40, I think Billie Jean King is the only other women to do it since the advent of the WTA tour and the open era. Of course back then it was much easier and competition was far less deep than it is today, so really what Kimiko is doing is completely unpresidented. And yet we have to suffer fools that think because Kimiko is in the top 100 at age 40 anyone of that era can do it. Simply the answer to that is THEY CAN NOT.

Brena
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:46 PM
I think it might turn out to be the cause for early retirement for some if she keeps slaughtering them like this... :help:

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 27th, 2010, 05:11 PM
I think some people are blowing things way out of proportion. No, Sharapova and Safina shouldn't retire because they lost to Krumm. No, I don't think Krumm's success will have an impact on other players. What's Krumm's doing is not THAT special, it's just that other players who could be in the same position as her are not motivated to do what she's doing. Krumm retired early, so I think it plays a big role to be motivated to have a second career.

The way I see it, Krumm was a talented player who once was number 4 in the world. Unless a player would forget to play tennis, why wouldn't a player of her caliber enjoy some success if she would come back at 40? The key is to stay fit. I'm sure if she would stay fit and motivated, the Coetzer of the world and co would still be top 75 at 40.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 05:17 PM
I think some people are blowing things way out of proportion. No, Sharapova and Safina shouldn't retire because they lost to Krumm. No, I don't think Krumm's success will have an impact on other players. What's Krumm's doing is not THAT special, it's just that other players who could be in the same position as her are not motivated to do what she's doing. Krumm retired early, so I think it plays a big role to be motivated to have a second career.

The way I see it, Krumm was a talented player who once was number 4 in the world. Unless a player would forget to play tennis, why wouldn't a player of her caliber enjoy some success if she would come back at 40? The key is to stay fit. I'm sure if she would stay fit and motivated, the Coetzer of the world and co would still be top 75 at 40.

No way could Coetzer be in the top 100 now. I recall an interview where she said as much. Basically she said something like no way, those girls hit too hard these days. Additionally Amanda's main weapon was her legs and those legs would not be the same weapon at 40 that they were in her 20s. When Coetzer retired at 33 she was already struggling to stay in the top 30.

Pebbles
Sep 27th, 2010, 05:20 PM
I think it will definitely inspire many of them to keep plugging away when they see what Kimiko has been able to achieve since her comeback.

P.S LLW is 194 on the new rankings :)

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 27th, 2010, 05:32 PM
No way could Coetzer be in the top 100 now. I recall an interview where she said as much. Basically she said something like no way, those girls hit too hard these days. Additionally Amanda's main weapon was her legs and those legs would not be the same weapon at 40 that they were in her 20s. When Coetzer retired at 33 she was already struggling to stay in the top 30.

Maybe she was simply humble? I don't see why she wouldn't be able to handle today's power, especially when the player on the other side of the net struggles with her serve and makes a lot of unforced errors.

Also, the thing to keep in mind for most players is that those who keep playing until their 30s end up burning out of playing all those years of tennis and travelling every year. It's not surprising that at 33 Coetzer would start losing steam and struggle to stay at the top. It would probably be another story if she would have retired at 26.

Calypso
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:01 PM
Her success should inspire others. But she really must love the game, and competing, to keep going at 40.
OTOH, I think the OP should also include people who have hit 30 on the list; once you are 30 plus a few seconds/days/months, you ARE over 30.
Kimiko's success is really nice to see!

Noctis
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:28 PM
http://www.toray-ppo.co.jp/fimages/event/100926_date_autograph_02.jpg

obviously she has loads of fans hy stop now :)

Mightymirza
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:34 PM
Well shes doing so well also because shes relatively fresh :shrug: week in week out for 40 years would be brutal!

New
Oct 16th, 2010, 02:43 PM
With Tammy's success, I wonder if her motivation is due to Date... And tomorrow we'll see a classic clash in Osaka... :D

New
Oct 16th, 2010, 02:44 PM
As for Great Granaten Greta, I can say that she was sorta out of the circuit for several years from somewhen in late 2002 until somewhen in 2006 (though I dunnoi why - maybe she studied) and she said that she feels physically fine and wants to be around for a while.

She has been climbing up the rankings this year from 240 in May to around 90 now, starts getting some pretty neat results, will reach a new career high sorta soon (it's 81 up until now) and will beat Pushinsky tomorrow.

So everything is perfectly fine and I do hope that she will stay and play for quite a while :)
Thanks for sharing... I was rather surprised when I saw her name on the draw again...

AJZ.
Oct 16th, 2010, 03:43 PM
People forget... Date used to be top 5. She was once elite... To compare her to some of these other players seems irrelevant. She knows what it feels like to win, and tennis is very mental.