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Caralenko
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:45 AM
:worship: Turns 40 tomorrow and ousts the defending champ. Russian killa!

Maria's serve is such a disaster.

Carotastrophe
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
Kimiko :)

Marionated
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
:hearts: :bowdown:

Libertango
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
Good God :eek:

Kimiko. congrats! :worship:

Cakeisgood
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
lololololololololol.

Maria, RETIRE.

goat
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
Speedy!

Well Done Kimiko :D

Maria will plummet

Pasta-Na
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
:spit:

date :worship:

Mashabator
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: i just want to die

Vartan
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
:worship:

Direwolf
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
WoW!!!
Beating Dinara and Maria!! Wow!

madmax
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
LOL at this result...and LOL at Maria too

simonsaystennis
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:46 AM
Maria, when will you get your shit together?! :o :help: :sobbing:

akosiirwyn
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:47 AM
:speakles:
:lol:

Kimiko :hearts: Great play!!

*Jool*
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:47 AM
:woohoo: awesome win , she's really incredible !! :inlove: congrats Kimiko ! she must be so thrilled ! and in her home event , that's lovely ! keep winning now :D


Maria.... :weirdo: :hug:

Craig.
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:47 AM
This is just too funny :spit:

Maria's done. Good night.

jimmy_the_greek
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:47 AM
congrats kimiko!:)
maria:sad:

Mrs. Dimitrova
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:47 AM
Congrats Kimiko :hearts: :bowdown:

Maria :bigwave:

Huntress55
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:47 AM
Maria :sobbing:

But congrats Kimiko :yeah: great bday present!

Nikkiri
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:47 AM
Wow, only caught the final set.. from 3-3 and Kimiko was amaze. Great Birthday present for her too. :)

I forgot Sharapova was defending champ.. :hug: to her fans.

young_gunner913
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:47 AM
FUCK YES KIMIKO!! :bowdown: So proud that she got this win in Tokyo!! :worship:

Jajaloo
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:47 AM
Never in doubt.

SELVEN
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:48 AM
I can't believe my eyes...maria :help:

AcesHigh
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:48 AM
:rolls:

Who is the most overrated player of 2010? :lol:

Direwolf
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:48 AM
Gosh!! Wow!!!

Amazing Kimiko Go win the Title!

Rod the Bama
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:48 AM
Oh god Maria! :sad: :( I had a bad feeling about this match. I guess i better pin more of my hopes on Caroline and Vika.

shoryuken
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:48 AM
:tape: oh my but congrats to Kimko! :lol:

saul1333
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:49 AM
Good stuff :yeah:

Cakeisgood
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:49 AM
You know it's bad when it doesn't even hurt to see your fave lose anymore.

Vaidisova
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:49 AM
:lol:

Mikey.
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:49 AM
Oh well... :tears:

Daniel K
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:49 AM
:D Too awesome for words. Legend Kimiko. In Tokyo and on her birthday. Perfect.

Maria is just a mess now.

Marilyn Monheaux
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:49 AM
Masha... :hug:


Honestly, I'm not even mad.:rolls: Gotta love Kimiko!!:yeah::bounce: Keep going!;)

Mashabator
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:49 AM
Being sick isnt enough of an excuse for this loss, disgusting.
:bigcry: :tears: :sad: :(

Belmont Lad
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:50 AM
Beyond, just beyond. It may be time to call it a day Maria, a year and a half back from surgery, and starting to regress. The bad draws and health issues can only explain so much of what is wrong. :help::sad:

Noctis
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:51 AM
:speakles: i just woke up,is this a dream

goat
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:52 AM
KIMIKO = Russian Slayer

monmonito
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:52 AM
Another unexpected win from Kimiko!!!
just like what happenend in Seoul..
she beat Pavly ...I just jope she lost next ..please..hehehe.
but good job Kimiko!:drool:

Keadz
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:52 AM
People still underestimating Kimiko I see. This result should really stop that, but I guess some bitter fans can be expected.

AMAZING result. Loved it, can't wait to catch the replay (hopefully Eurosport repeats it), but I was lucky enough to see the end and how happy Kimiko was.

Keep going Kimiko. I have no words really do describe how cool this result is.

hdfb
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:53 AM
I knew Kimiko had a good shot to win this match! Great stuff! Good luck next round!

Daena
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:53 AM
Goddess :worship::worship::worship:

Jaco·He
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:53 AM
amazing

Foot's Fingers
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:54 AM
pfffffffffffffff

Inger67
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:54 AM
Honestly, do you guys ever think Maria will get back to her winning (championship) form? :shrug:

Bulgaria
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:55 AM
Quite a shocker!!! :eek:

Belmont Lad
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:56 AM
Honestly, do you guys ever think Maria will get back to her winning (championship) form? :shrug:

Not looking good to me. This was the season to really put it together in my mind.

goat
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:56 AM
Honestly, do you guys ever think Maria will get back to her winning (championship) form? :shrug:

Not on hard courts.. There is hope for the speedy grass if she works on her serve consistency?

Cakeisgood
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:57 AM
Honestly, do you guys ever think Maria will get back to her winning (championship) form? :shrug:

She will retool her game and become ClayPova GOAT.

Mark my words.

Cp6uja
Sep 27th, 2010, 06:58 AM
Whatever anybody says, Maria is still player with ability to dominate WTA Tour in future, and whatever she do till end of this season 2010 will still be nightmare for her standards... On other hand for Kimiko every next event is potentially the last one, and it's great to see arguably best ever Asian player (if we not count Siberian Sharapova ;)) to make her biggest win (of former #1 she also beat Safina twice this season!) since comeback at biggest tournament in Japan just day before 40th birthday! Well done Kimiko :worship:

scoobz
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:01 AM
hahahahaha

It just goes to show how 1 dimensional some of the players are these days - you throw a player at them who plays a bit different, doesn't give them what they're used to, and they just don't know to deal with it, how to adapt to what they're getting.

Keep going Kimiko, keep showing them up :yeah:

claypova
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:01 AM
She will retool her game and become ClayPova GOAT.

Mark my words.

:inlove:

kfh_9118
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:01 AM
wow, just incredible :worship:

makirilenko
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:01 AM
Did NOT see this coming at all. Kimiko is doing really well at the moment, I hope she keeps it up. Great win for her.

Sp!ffy
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:03 AM
Hahahahahahahahah........


Thank God Maria lost those points.

I'm disgusted.

claypova
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:03 AM
disgusting choke, disgusting play, disgusting loss :o

get it together maria :weirdo:

Beat
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:03 AM
sorry, but: LMAO.

SymphonyX
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:05 AM
I jinxed Maria. Damn this.

Anyway, kudos to Kimiko. I hope she wins this tournament.

Fantasy Hero
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:06 AM
i feel like saying: Kimiko rulez :rocker2:

and

:happy: :haha:

janezhang
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:06 AM
Watched most of the match.
Live stream worked in China!!!Amazing!

Match Report:
Set 1: Both players took quite a long time to get into the match. They broke each other in the previous four games. Maria held the serve first but she was struggling with her service, committing serveral DFs in a row. And the slice serve from Date caused Maria much trouble. Date finally closed it out.

Set 2: Maria improved her form and the big service worked well there. The first serve,particularly, was hard for date to return. Powerful groundstrokes let Maria win more chances in this set. More UEs from Date and her net approach did not work well today.

Set 3: Really intensive and good quality. Date was 0-40, 2-3 down, but she hit some amazing shots and fought back. At this moment,again, Maria's serve choked, DFs came along and Date cought the chance to break. Then, the match was entirely in Date's hand.

Maria's serve sucks today and when that game was broken, her confidence collasped.

Date, a real fighter!Good strategy on her service. BTW, her playing style is really enjoyable to watch. Flat and Deep; a variety of change.

Good luck in the tournament!

Mrs. Dimitrova
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:07 AM
She will retool her game and become ClayPova GOAT.

Mark my words.

MASHY-GOAT is the next clay-GOAT. Them Europeans move over! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

akosijepoy
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:08 AM
ZOMG!!! Did not see this coming!!!

atominside
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:09 AM
haha this tournament is soo gonna have low ass ratings now.

Six Feet Under
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:10 AM
Ajde Kimiko!!!!
A good scalp for you :inlove:
Ranking Points :drool:

Cakeisgood
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:11 AM
MASHY-GOAT is the next clay-GOAT. Them Europeans move over! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

:hearts::hearts::hearts::hearts::hearts:

She will be the queen of serve and volley :worship:

cHa1v5RYyfU

ZODIAC
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:11 AM
Kimiko is beating the russians left and right...now beat Hantukova

Fantasy Hero
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:11 AM
haha this tournament is soo gonna have low ass ratings now.

ehm...no :unsure:

Ben.
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:12 AM
Congrats Kimiko :yeah: what a win!

Daniel K
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:16 AM
haha this tournament is soo gonna have low ass ratings now.

A tournament in Japan will now have low ratings because a beloved Japanese player is still playing? :unsure:

Sergius
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:21 AM
Nice result to start my day :inlove:
Kimiko, you're such a fighter!
As for Maria and her fans, I even feel sorry for them :eek: :hug:

Maria rocks
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:27 AM
I am really gutted by this. Maria just fell apart in the 3rd set. Worrying times indeed. She needs to regroup now get a decent coach and get her father back on board. She does not need to retire as some of you are saying she is only 23 for god sake plentyof time to turn things around and she will too!!!!

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:28 AM
I just woke up to this. Easily one of the five most satisfying results of the year. I am still taking it in.

Kimiko I love you and you beyond amazing. :hearts:

Jajaloo
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:31 AM
haha this tournament is soo gonna have low ass ratings now.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2nc13s0.jpg

olivero
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:31 AM
OMG :speakles:
sorry for Maria but it's an amazing win for Kimiko! :worship:

Six Feet Under
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:32 AM
A tournament in Japan will now have low ratings because a beloved Japanese player is still playing? :unsure:

:lol:

Drimal
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:32 AM
Kimiko :bowdown:

What a legend she is!

Maria rocks
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:33 AM
OMG :speakless:
sorry for Maria but it's an amazing win for Kimiko! :worship:

I feel terrible for Maria. Just awful to see her fall apart in the 3rd set like that. Still as i have said only 23 plenty of time to turn things around.

bavaria86
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:37 AM
Wow Kimiko:eek::bowdown:

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:38 AM
haha this tournament is soo gonna have low ass ratings now.

Dumbest post of the year possibly?

This win will probably make this the most watched Japanese Open at home in it's history. I can see the front pages thoughout Japan already. :bounce:

MB.
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:44 AM
Great for Kimiko--really inspirational.

On the other hand, this result is pretty apt considering I voted her most overrated of 2010. And really, going down to Kimiko? I don't care how sick you are, Maria...Mashabators ought to be ashamed of you.

frenchie
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:47 AM
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Best result of the year for me!!!!!
Kimiko is amazing

RND
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:51 AM
True legend that is. Almost no words can describe Kimiko's greatness. :worship:

ciprianned
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:53 AM
HAHAHA :lol:

Jewelz
Sep 27th, 2010, 07:56 AM
http://i53.tinypic.com/2nc13s0.jpg


Ouch!! That watermelon hitting her full speed on the face must have hurt. I saw that happened on the Amazing Race season premiere last night, and felt sorry for her.

TS
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:00 AM
Nothing to say :worship:

Juju Nostalgique
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:02 AM
I just connected to the Internet this morning and just can't stop laughing!!! I'm sooo happy! :woohoo: :bowdown: :eek: :bolt:

Kimiko :hearts: :inlove: :kiss:

Jewelz
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:02 AM
Congrats to Kimiko Date Krumm. She deserves all the success she's had lately.

Dexter
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:05 AM
And people thought Maria would so beat Caroline. :lol:

Congrats Kimiko!

spiceboy
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:10 AM
She will retool her game and become ClayPova GOAT.

Mark my words.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8qxhzdnQf1qbsn1p.gif

tievae
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:11 AM
:bowdown: Kimiko-GOAT
:spit: Masha

Cakeisgood
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:15 AM
I feel terrible for Maria. Just awful to see her fall apart in the 3rd set like that. Still as i have said only 23 plenty of time to turn things around.

Nobody to blame but herself.
You can't go up 0-30, 0-40 multiple times, and then decide to whack the shit of the return 3 points in a row (missing all three), no matter what the serve looks like.

The fact is that KDK should NEVER be holding sevice games at love/at 15, which she did multiple times as well. Maria truly needs to re-evaluate her gameplan for the rest of her career.

She simply cannot continue to play like this. The ball toss needs to come down, the forehand needs to be fixed, and the footwork must be risen to at least passable.

Get a coach Maria. Please.

Nina.
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:16 AM
Oh Masha... :rolleyes:

Anyway, congrats to Kimiko, she for sure is an astounding woman

DragonFlame
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:16 AM
:haha: :tape: :help: :o

tennisforadults
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:17 AM
Wowowowowowow. Kimiko is a legend.

I guess no more Pova-Caro rematch to prove Caro's win at USO was a 'fluke'? ;)

crazillo
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:18 AM
Wow, amazing win for Kimiko! Has this match been taped anywhere? Please send me a link via PM. Thanx!

MB.
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:18 AM
She will retool her game and become ClayPova GOAT.

Mark my words.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2rxcm6o.gif

TennisFan66
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:19 AM
Unexpected. WD KDK. Should certainly give media attention domestically in Japan a lift.

Betten
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:25 AM
Someone stick a fork in Maria. She's done.

Kworb
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:28 AM
:speakles:

Londoner
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:46 AM
Yikes. The highest paid female athlete in the World - I wonder how much longer that will last.

Wonderful for Kimiko, but Maria, former World no 1, former US, Australian and Wimbledon champion, these matches should be being eaten for breakfast. 2011 will be critical for Maria. If she doesn't improve then I don't see how she would be able to go on - unless she would be happy to spend years reaching 2nd and (if on a good day) 3rd rounds. It's actually quite sad.

eDonkey
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:55 AM
haha, congrats, Kimiko :)

No matter what you say, she is a legend now, a true inspiration for tennis players. :]

She now beats another top player, whose game depends mostly on the serve, right?She just knows how to deal with power on the opposite side of the court?

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:57 AM
Honestly, do you guys ever think Maria will get back to her winning (championship) form? :shrug:

She is still so young, so, yes, I do think she will turn things around. I could be wrong but I think the only thing wrong with her game is her serve. If she can fix that I see no reason why she can't win more slams and regain the number one ranking. Seems like some folks are writing her off awfully quickly. If you look at the rest of the field players like the Williams sisters and the Belgians (ok, one of the Belgians) are on top but they are all older than Maria and won't be around forever. Of the younger players no one really has the game to beat Maria consistently if she can regain her form. Obviously Maria has not fallen that far but if you look at the success that Capriati had at the end of her career I think that Maria can do the same, potentially better.

LUXXXAS
Sep 27th, 2010, 08:58 AM
:spit:

<Sven>
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:02 AM
Lol

Maria rocks
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:03 AM
Someone stick a fork in Maria. She's done.

No she isn;t!!! Just needs to regroup, get a decent coach and get her father back on board then im sure things will start to look better again. To say she is done at 23 years old is a crazy statement.

silyaunWILLIAMS
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:07 AM
:lol: Oh Kimiko

Mightymirza
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:09 AM
OMG Sharpie :help:

Betten
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:09 AM
No she isn;t!!! Just needs to regroup, get a decent coach and get her father back on board then im sure things will start to look better again. To say she is done at 23 years old is a crazy statement.

You take everything too seriously :lol:! Of course I don't believe her days as a top player are truly over, but she just lost to someone twice her age. Obviously she needs to work on her stuff.

ViennaCalling
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:15 AM
Bruahaha :haha: :rolls:

Kimiko :eek: :speakles: :bowdown:

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:17 AM
No she isn;t!!! Just needs to regroup, get a decent coach and get her father back on board then im sure things will start to look better again. To say she is done at 23 years old is a crazy statement.

I'm not a fan of Maria but I agree with you completely. It's true that it is a possibility that Maria is "done" and that she will never regain her championship form but it is also true that it is far from a certainty. Gosh, look at players like Samantha Stosur and Vera Zvonareva. They may not have won any majors but they are playing their best tennis ever at the not so young age of 26. A few years ago would anyone believe that Sam Stosur would be a top ten player or that Vera would be in two consecutive Grand Slam finals? Maria is 23 years old and she has a lot of tennis left in her. I think it would be foolish to assume that her game is unfixable.

ce
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:31 AM
well done Kimiko :inlove:
Maria :rolls:

Renalicious
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:33 AM
:worship: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs. Awesome. :hearts:

hardball
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:36 AM
now THAT is a bombshell!!!

PolishLunatiq
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:36 AM
<wow>

Pops Maellard
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:42 AM
Back to the drawing board Maria. :help:

Steffica Greles
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:43 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

And to think some of these fools REALLY believe the standard has gone up today.

a 40 year-old who reached no.4 for a week in the mid-1990s, defeats one of the stars of this generation.

This ends any discussion as to which generation was better. Thanks, Kimiko.

Sexysova
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:48 AM
:tape:

Feyd
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:50 AM
I am glad I did not sacrifice my sleep for this.

Gawain
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:51 AM
So what she's still pretty. :p

Mrs. Dimitrova
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:56 AM
At least she's still pretty that I can Mashabate to her pictures. Win or lose. Proud Mashabator. :hysteric:






















Just kidding :hysteric:

homogenius
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:59 AM
Not taking anything away from Kimiko (who's exceeding the expectations about her comeback so far, and NO steffica she's not reprensating of a whole generation :rolleyes:))but it's probably the most humiliating loss of Maria's career.When you watch the handshake, it looks weird to see her next to a player with twice her age and half her height...and going out of the court as the looser of this match.

DownInAHole
Sep 27th, 2010, 09:59 AM
At least she's still pretty that I can Mashabate to her pictures. Win or lose. Proud Mashabator. :hysteric:






















Just kidding :hysteric:

So are you saying that you are ashamed to be a Mashabator?:scratch:

marc0026
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:01 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

And to think some of these fools REALLY believe the standard has gone up today.

a 40 year-old who reached no.4 for a week in the mid-1990s, defeats one of the stars of this generation.

This ends any discussion as to which generation was better. Thanks, Kimiko.

True. this was generation back then was exceptional, Steffi and Monica were all time greats. Sabatini, Sanchez, it was very hard to get into top 4 then...

But in my opinion, Kimiko could have been No 1 nevertheless, she just not had the motivation and she disliked being on tour ...

But hey. this is 15 years ago and this is even much more impressive... After 12 years of absence this is hardly believable and inspiring

Mrs. Dimitrova
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:01 AM
So are you saying that you are ashamed to be a Mashabator?:scratch:

I don't know. I just waxed my upperlip and I'm upset because I ripped my skin off. And because of my ignorance, I just realized nobody waxes their upperlip. I'm officially new to this world. And I'm posting this in a topic that doesn't even have to do with waxing.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:04 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

And to think some of these fools REALLY believe the standard has gone up today.

a 40 year-old who reached no.4 for a week in the mid-1990s, defeats one of the stars of this generation.

This ends any discussion as to which generation was better. Thanks, Kimiko.

Get this through your f***ing head and try very hard to understand. Kimiko is a one off. There is no one else like her. She is unique and her game is a completely different to anyone else around. She does not represent the tennis of the 1990s generation. She represents only herself.

If there were loads of 40 years olds crushing the top players of today you would have an excellent point. But there isn't. There is only Kimiko. By coming back to tennis in her late 30s after being retired for 10+ years and then cracking the top 50, winning a tournament and beating the best players of today's generation she is doing something no one else in the history of the game has ever done before.

For doing this Kimiko deserves all the credit, respect and admiration in the world. But until we see players like Martinez, Graf, Sabatini, Sanchez-Vicario and Coetzer doing the same, which I would say is about as likely as the original four Beatles reuniting, this has absolutely no bearing whatsoever in terms of one generation being better than another.

tennisforadults
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:06 AM
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

And to think some of these fools REALLY believe the standard has gone up today.

a 40 year-old who reached no.4 for a week in the mid-1990s, defeats one of the stars of this generation.

This ends any discussion as to which generation was better. Thanks, Kimiko.

I still don't see how Kimiko's win over Maria means the whole 90s generation is better than today's. It's a bit far fetched.

But I'll let you enjoy the victory. ;)

homogenius
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:09 AM
Get this through you f***ing head and try very hard to understand. Kimiko is a one off. There is no one else like her. She is unique and her game is a completely different to anyone else around. She does not represent the tennis of the 1990s generation she represents only herself.

If there were loads of 40 years only crushing the top players of today you would have an excellent point. But there isn't. There is only Kimiko. By coming back to tennis in her late 30s after being retired for 10+ years and then cracking the top 50, winning a tournament and beating the best players of today's generation she is doing something no one else in the history of the game has ever done before.

For doing this Kimiko deserves all the credit, respect and admiration in the world. But until we see players like Martinez, Graf, Sabatini, Sanchez-Vicario and Coetzer doing the same, which I would say is about as likely as the original four Beatles reuniting, this has absolutely no bearing whatsoever in terms of one generation being better than another.

I couldn't be bothered to write an entire post on this (cause stefficagreles is like a broken record) but it sums it up perfectly.

John.
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:13 AM
:speakles:

Kimiko :worship:

Maria :rolls:

JJ's biatch
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:14 AM
congrats Kimiko! :yeah:

Reptilia
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:14 AM
:lol::lol::lol: Congrats Kimiko:yeah:

TuxedoSlam
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:15 AM
I can't decide between laughing or crying. I might do a bit of both.


:tennis:

Brena
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:16 AM
:unsure:
Kimiko, you're a legend. :bowdown: x 10000
Maria...

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:17 AM
:awww: :wavey:

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:21 AM
Sharapova was doing a lot of off court shit this week.
She probably is going to have to blow off pre tournament sponsor shit, as long as her game stays this level. She has to focus 100% on round 1 in all big tournaments
She was lucky Groth's level dropped in set 2 in NY

Safe-From-Harm
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:22 AM
Congratulations for Kimiko.
Really great win.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:26 AM
Congratulations for Kimiko.
Really great win.

Love that avatar :hearts:

Mynarco
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:29 AM
Really unexpected :eek:

Safe-From-Harm
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:30 AM
Love that avatar :hearts:

-Like I love that what is on avatar.:worship:

madmax
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:30 AM
Sharapova was doing a lot of off court shit this week.
She probably is going to have to blow off pre tournament sponsor shit, as long as her game stays this level. She has to focus 100% on round 1 in all big tournaments
She was lucky Groth's level dropped in set 2 in NY

stop spewing BS, will ya?:rolleyes: Groth just came back to earth in second set and played at her usual level...this loss to Kimiko has nothing to do with her matches in US Open.

Ryan
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:31 AM
LMAO. I love Maria, but this is just too funny. Hopefully her more zealous fans will cool it for awhile. :o Maria.....early retirement please then come back like Kim and dominate.

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:32 AM
stop spewing BS, will ya?:rolleyes: Groth just came back to earth in second set and played at her usual level...this loss to Kimiko has nothing to do with her matches in US Open.I disagree. She lost round 1 AO. Dushevina served for the match against her at IW.
She was down a set round 1 in NY.
Maria is not good enough now to work her way into a good tournament.
Date is good enough that Maria has to be ready to play near her 2010 best

And this draw with Dani and Fran was a tough draw. Fran played well in NY, better than Maria played.

Serenita
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:34 AM
http://i33.tinypic.com/r1ar6t.jpg

:wavey:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:35 AM
In the past twelve months (if you discount her Mickey Mouse tournaments) Maria has made it to the QFs of only 2 tournaments :awww:

Is she out of the top 20 now (despite having played an almost full season) ?

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:36 AM
This doesnt mean Maria sucks, last year Tokyo didnt mean Maria was back.

She is stuck in some middle level, and she has to move forward from here to be anywhere near the old Maria

madmax
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:38 AM
I disagree. She lost round 1 AO. Dushevina served for the match against her at IW.
She was down a set round 1 in NY.
Maria is not good enough now to work her way into a good tournament.
Date is good enough that Maria has to be ready to play near her 2010 best

And this draw with Dani and Fran was a tough draw. Fran played well in NY, better than Maria played.

this thread is not the place nor the time for discussing the match which happened a month ago, but there's no way Groth could have sustained that kind of tennis for more than one set:wavey: You can boast and brag now seeing her losing to Kimiko, but saying crap like "she played worse than freaking Schiavonne" is plain hating.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:38 AM
stop spewing BS, will ya?:rolleyes: Groth just came back to earth in second set and played at her usual level...this loss to Kimiko has nothing to do with her matches in US Open.

madmax tells someone to stop spewing BS. :haha:

That's kind of like George Bush telling other countries not to start wars.

brickhousesupporter
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:39 AM
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/rudeboy77/Gifs/Hyacinth-rolleyes.gif

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:40 AM
madmax tells someone to stop spewing BS. :haha:

That's kind of like George Bush telling other countries not to start wars.I'm waiting for the day madmax and vikapower tell each other they're spewing BS

I saw Fran beat Nastia and play Venus in NY, it was a lot better than Maria against Groth and Caro.

Dont believe it if you dont want to.

Maria in round 2 and 3 played girls who could not put the ball in play. Iveta was nervous as shit that night

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:40 AM
I'm waiting for the day madmax and vikapower tell each other they're spewing BS

Won't happen. They agree with each other. :haha:

madmax
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:42 AM
madmax tells someone to stop spewing BS. :haha:

That's kind of like George Bush telling other countries not to start wars.

I'm calling BS when I see it - that's all. You don't agree with it - provide arguments then:wavey: Saying that Maria was lucky to "escape" mighty Groth is trolling and hating at it's finest.

Serenita
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:43 AM
This doesnt mean Maria sucks, last year Tokyo didnt mean Maria was back.

She is stuck in some middle level, and she has to move forward from here to be anywhere near the old Maria

Pova sucks, face it. She got lucky against Groth in NY, Groth lost it in that match. It was up to her to win or lose.

Ryan
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:45 AM
this thread is not the place nor the time for discussing the match which happened a month ago, but there's no way Groth could have sustained that kind of tennis for more than one set:wavey: You can boast and brag now seeing her losing to Kimiko, but saying crap like "she played worse than freaking Schiavonne" is plain hating.



You ask people to provide arguments, and then just say "its not the time or place". :spit: Wait, so you think Maria played better than Fran at the USO? Sweet, that just means Caro's win over Masha means more than you've previously admitted. :cool: But again, this isn't the time or place to discuss matches that Maria loses, right? A results thread with Maria losing a match. No, not the right time.

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:46 AM
She doesnt suck. I've seen Date beat some okay players.

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:47 AM
You ask people to provide arguments, and then just say "its not the time or place". :spit: Wait, so you think Maria played better than Fran at the USO? Sweet, that just means Caro's win over Masha means more than you've previously admitted. :cool: But again, this isn't the time or place to discuss matches that Maria loses, right? A results thread with Maria losing a match. No, not the right time.madmax is a nut, trying to pretend Maria was great in NY, which is nonsense

Maria rocks
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:48 AM
Sharapova was doing a lot of off court shit this week.
She probably is going to have to blow off pre tournament sponsor shit, as long as her game stays this level. She has to focus 100% on round 1 in all big tournaments
She was lucky Groth's level dropped in set 2 in NY

Yep this is deffo the trouble, She needs to dedicate herself 100% to her tennis she used to until she got in tow with this lakers player. Maria plenty of time for all that crap when your playing days are over. Please please please don't throw away your incredible talent for a bloke its not worth it!!!!

Maria rocks
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:49 AM
She doesnt suck. I've seen Date beat some okay players.

No she deffo doesn't suck just needs to decide her priorties in life thats all.

madmax
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:51 AM
madmax is a nut, trying to pretend Maria was great in NY, which is nonsense

oh great, now I said Maria was "great" at the Open?:haha: Could you maybe find these of words of mine then LOL? And talking about being "nutty" - your hating of Maria has no limits, that's for sure:wavey:

joão.
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:51 AM
Oh Maria :spit:

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:51 AM
I'm calling BS when I see it - that's all. You don't agree with it - provide arguments then:wavey: Saying that Maria was lucky to "escape" mighty Groth is trolling and hating at it's finest.

And what is this?

gotta love all these desperate haters, collectively masturbating in this WWW thread:lol: Granny Kimiko won't know what hit her old ass

Anyway goldenlox is right, Groth's form did dip in the 2nd and had it not there is no telling what would have happened in that match had she not.

Jane Lane
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:55 AM
:bowdown: OMG Kimiko :yeah:

Whitehead's Boy
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:56 AM
I don't think it proves the 90s generation is better than the current generation, but Krumm success does show there is a serious issue with a lot of the current players (mental issues, lack of confidence, injuries, inability to dominate a player who plays a different game, etc). "Better" is such a subjective term anyway. Even though the WTA is currently a mess, the tour as a whole is constantly getting better and better. It's just that we have top players who aren't that great or who struggle for all sort of reasons (from stepping on glass to injuries).

And, really, does age matter that much if a player is fit? If Krumm was able to be top 4, then it means she has the talent to play like a top 4, it's only a matter for her to stay fit and injury-free.

Mrs. Dimitrova
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:56 AM
I'm calling BS when I see it - that's all. You don't agree with it - provide arguments then:wavey: Saying that Maria was lucky to "escape" mighty Groth is trolling and hating at it's finest.

Groth form did drop in that match, but then again it always does. That's why she's not a top player. If she manages to keep her level in that first set through every match she plays, she would have been in the top 10 by now. But she's not, so what? Maria played well enough to make it through.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 10:58 AM
Groth form did drop in that match, but then again it always does. That's why she's not a top player. If she manages to keep her level in that first set through every match she plays, she would have been in the top 10 by now. But she's not, so what? Maria played well enough to make it through.

That's a fair statement.

madmax
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:00 AM
Groth form did drop in that match, but then again it always does. That's why she's not a top player. If she manages to keep her level in that first set through every match she plays, she would have been in the top 10 by now. But she's not, so what? Maria played well enough to make it through.

apparently it's too hard of a concept for goldenflox and the hating Co. They believe that Groth choked and handed that match to Maria - a player who's been through and through so many big matches. And when they have the decency to call someone "nutty" when their BS is called out. Gotta love GM I guess.

Sharapovian
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:01 AM
:sobbing: :sobbing: :sobbing:

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:01 AM
This is what a hater says. Its about time you posted something realistic

Originally Posted by madmax http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/red/viewpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18565589#post18565589)
gotta love all these desperate haters, collectively masturbating in this WWW thread:lol: Granny Kimiko won't know what hit her old ass

goat
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:01 AM
This thread is become amaze!

Mrs. Dimitrova
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:02 AM
This thread is become amaze!

It's not as amaze as the thread Wozniacki def. Sharapova yet. :hysteric:

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:03 AM
This thread is become amaze!Its madmax, in some fantasy world.
You cant discuss this match rationally without madmax throwing out insults

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:04 AM
Think about how stupid and insulting this is

ally Posted by madmax http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/red/viewpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18565589#post18565589)
gotta love all these desperate haters, collectively masturbating in this WWW thread:lol: Granny Kimiko won't know what hit her old ass

madmax
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:04 AM
Its madmax, in some fantasy world.
You cant discuss this match rationally without madmax throwing out insults

a pot calling a kettle black? Interestingly enough, who started all the "nutty" and hating talk?

AnomyBC
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:06 AM
Ugh. This is just depressing :sobbing:

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:09 AM
a pot calling a kettle black? Interestingly enough, who started all the "nutty" and hating talk?I said Maria has to be prepared for a tough round 1, and that Fran was better in NY than Maria

Date beat Nastia last week, she is a dangerous opponent

Rafito.
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:10 AM
Happy I missed this match :sobbing: Play better in Beijing please!

Just Do It
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:11 AM
This is a bombshell.

Helen Lawson
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:16 AM
O.M.G.
She needs a new coach or something. Something drastic!
Honestly, if Kimiko beats Caro or Serena, the tour will be officially a joke, if it isn't already.

madmax
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:17 AM
I said Maria has to be prepared for a tough round 1, and that Fran was better in NY than Maria

Date beat Nastia last week, she is a dangerous opponent

oh come one, you are not fooling anyone here...You found a perfect opportunity to take yet another cheap shot at Masha and called her win over Groth "lucky". I just have one question for you smarty pants - have you ever played a tennis game before? Do you even know how thin are the barriers between defeat and a win in a sport, especially the one like tennis? It's not uncommon that very often the end result is decided by 2 or 3 shots pulled out of a pocket. And this is when you see the difference between a fluke player and multislam player.

Toxic
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:18 AM
http://i46.tinypic.com/15dt3td.gif

hdfb
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:19 AM
http://i46.tinypic.com/15dt3td.gif

Is that..... Ayumi Hamasaki? I'm a big fan of hers but I cant really see clearly with her face scrunched up like that.

goldenlox
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:22 AM
oh come one, you are not fooling anyone here...You found a perfect opportunity to take yet another cheap shot at Masha and called her win over Groth "lucky". I just have one question for you smarty pants - have you ever played a tennis game before? Do you even know how thin are the barriers between defeat and a win in a sport, especially the one like tennis? It's not uncommon that very often the end result is decided by 2 or 3 shots pulled out of a pocket. And this is when you see the difference between a fluke player and multislam player.I say Groth's level dropped. She made the 4th round of the FO and Wimbledon, and just won a tournament losing the fewest games all year for any WTA title winner.
But she fell apart against Maria and was awful late in the match. Thats the way I saw it, and I'm not changing my opinion because of you

Juju Nostalgique
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:27 AM
http://i46.tinypic.com/15dt3td.gif

:lol: :rolls: :haha: :rolls: :lol:

:happy:

BTW is Kimiko playing Beijing? :shrug: :confused: :secret: :scratch:

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:33 AM
embarrasing, humiliating for Maria :help:
what a shocking 2010 season

Vikapower
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:35 AM
As usual this thread :spit: like all Maria threads, the haters. :lol:

InsideOut.
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:40 AM
:scratch: Doublefaultova?

Really happy for Kimiko though :banana: On her home soil too :) Best win of her comeback so far!

ElusiveChanteuse
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:42 AM
Kimiko :cheer: :worship: The few ones who makes impossible possible.:rocker2:
Maria :haha: :shrug:

n1ko0
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:46 AM
wtf?!?!?

ZODIAC
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:49 AM
Yep this is deffo the trouble, She needs to dedicate herself 100% to her tennis she used to until she got in tow with this lakers player. Maria plenty of time for all that crap when your playing days are over. Please please please don't throw away your incredible talent for a bloke its not worth it!!!!
her priorities are changing:rolleyes:as she grows older,maybe tennis is not top most on her things to do...but in this particular match she was outclassed:tape:

BlameSerena
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:52 AM
Oh my.

cellophane
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:54 AM
New low for Sharapova :spit: No offense to Kimiko, but Maria should be blowing her off the court...she is in the worst form of her life I guess.

CrossCourt~Rally
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:54 AM
Wooaaa, this is shocking! I'm sooo happy for Kimiko :worship: yet so sad for Masha :hug:

GL to Kimiko against Dani in the 2nd rd :D:bounce:

Pops Maellard
Sep 27th, 2010, 11:56 AM
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/rudeboy77/Gifs/Hyacinth-rolleyes.gif

Hyacinth Bucket. :hearts:

SymphonyX
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:00 PM
*dies*

Dave.
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:01 PM
This is possibly the best result ever. :D :D :D


Kimiko :worship:

propi
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:06 PM
Mid 90's WTA > current WTA :cool:
Congrats Kimiko :cheer:
María, get a grip, girl :help:

jefrilibra
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:08 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/33xdnaf.gif http://i53.tinypic.com/33xdnaf.gif http://i53.tinypic.com/33xdnaf.gif

:haha: :haha: :haha:

mauresmofan
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:08 PM
I'm so proud of Kimiko what a result just freakin amazing - one thing that was always going to hurt Maria in this match were Kimikos angles dragging her off the court and forcing her to go for a big shot outside of her comfort zone.

doktor
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:09 PM
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2008/02/13/va1237291603144/Yuri-Sharapov-5888195.jpg

doktor
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:12 PM
is dead.

Why are all my favorite players injury prone headcases, why? why? why? why can't i have just one nice solid consistent player who always brings her best and plays plenty of tourneys. Thats it, i'm going to follow ladies golf.

sammy01
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:14 PM
im really happy for kimiko, been supporting her through the comeback, but im still shocked shes pulling off these big wins. she sure is making the most of career number 2.

as for maria this loss must hurt, hopefully she will use it as a driving force to get back on track.

cellophane
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:15 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/33xdnaf.gif http://i53.tinypic.com/33xdnaf.gif http://i53.tinypic.com/33xdnaf.gif

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Pretty much. All 3. :spit:

améliemomo
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:16 PM
outstanding kimiko date krumm!:worship:

slamchamp
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:26 PM
I don't care if you were sick , you should have won even in a coma...you suck Maria

Ellery
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:29 PM
Kimiko :hearts:

Joelina
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:45 PM
you suck Maria.

Taz Warrior
Sep 27th, 2010, 12:46 PM
Kimiko :speakles: :eek: An amazing win - surely the best of her comeback :yeah:

Shaun:::
Sep 27th, 2010, 01:29 PM
Date-san:kiss:

Londoner
Sep 27th, 2010, 01:59 PM
Get this through your f***ing head and try very hard to understand. Kimiko is a one off. There is no one else like her. She is unique and her game is a completely different to anyone else around. She does not represent the tennis of the 1990s generation. She represents only herself.

If there were loads of 40 years olds crushing the top players of today you would have an excellent point. But there isn't. There is only Kimiko. By coming back to tennis in her late 30s after being retired for 10+ years and then cracking the top 50, winning a tournament and beating the best players of today's generation she is doing something no one else in the history of the game has ever done before.

For doing this Kimiko deserves all the credit, respect and admiration in the world. But until we see players like Martinez, Graf, Sabatini, Sanchez-Vicario and Coetzer doing the same, which I would say is about as likely as the original four Beatles reuniting, this has absolutely no bearing whatsoever in terms of one generation being better than another.

Sorry, but I disagree. Date was a lesser player than those in your last paragraph, and yet she is beating the former World no 1, and 3 time Grand Slam champion (all since hte last 6 years or so). Date does deserve credit, she is amazing and no one is saying she isn't. I think the point StefficaGreles was making was pretty clear, and if those you mention in your last paragraph did come back (even though they wont) chances are they would be doing what Date is doing - proving that apart from when Serena deigns to play, this is probably the worst period ever in womens' tennis. The only reason there aren't other 40 year olds beating 'new generation' players is because they haven't come back! if they did well they would all be top 15 at least! If Capriati and Monica hadn't been 'premanently' injured I reckon they would still be both top 10 (if not top 5!) and Steffi would probably be winning a slam or 2 and second only to Serena! Arantxa could challenge anyone still at RG! If that isn't worrying I don't know what is!

Archer16
Sep 27th, 2010, 01:59 PM
Kimiko :worship:
Great win, now go get some more as part of the 40th birthday special :)

Vee Williams
Sep 27th, 2010, 02:10 PM
Well done, Kimiko.
But her fans shouldn't get all too ecstatic. It's not like she beat Serena; she just defeated a top 20 player.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 02:36 PM
Sorry, but I disagree. Date was a lesser player than those in your last paragraph, and yet she is beating the former World no 1, and 3 time Grand Slam champion (all since hte last 6 years or so). Date does deserve credit, she is amazing and no one is saying she isn't. I think the point StefficaGreles was making was pretty clear, and if those you mention in your last paragraph did come back (even though they wont) chances are they would be doing what Date is doing - proving that apart from when Serena deigns to play, this is probably the worst period ever in womens' tennis. The only reason there aren't other 40 year olds beating 'new generation' players is because they haven't come back! if they did well they would all be top 15 at least! If Capriati and Monica hadn't been 'premanently' injured I reckon they would still be both top 10 (if not top 5!) and Steffi would probably be winning a slam or 2 and second only to Serena! Arantxa could challenge anyone still at RG! If that isn't worrying I don't know what is!

I will not waste much time on this idiotic post. I will simply make a couple of points. Firstly, Kimiko-Date Krumm defeated Steffi Graf in a exhibition before she started her professional comeback. Secondly, there is a lot of money to be made in tennis...if these players thought they could come back and be successful they would. Thirdly, the fact that Kimiko Date-Krumm has been able to reach the top 50 at 40 years old is a very very weak argument that Steffi Graf would be ranked number 2 if she was still playing today. I won't say anymore because posts this dumb don't even warrent any type of answer at all.

Aravanecaravan
Sep 27th, 2010, 02:45 PM
I don't think it's reasonable to extrapolate from KDK's experience that "all" of the successful players from the near past generations could come back and be top 10-15 players. That is simply baseless speculation.

The big reasons KDK is successful in today's game are that 1) she keeps herself in great shape and 2) she has a game that doesn't rely on power and which she can be consistent with. Capriati or Seles are in complete different boats. Neither was a hardbody to begin with. I understand Seles dumped a ton of weight, but all that probably did was compromise how hard she could hit.

I'd bet that both of them would struggle to get close to the top 100 now.

cordec
Sep 27th, 2010, 02:45 PM
Maria, your time will come in 20 years!:devil:

Emina.
Sep 27th, 2010, 02:46 PM
omg maria :tape::help:

spartanfan
Sep 27th, 2010, 02:49 PM
A. Everyone calm down, while its a great scalp for KDK, it's not the end of the world for MS.
B. I keep reading that MS was sick, do we know what was/is wrong with her?
C. Is this MS worse loss of the year or does that still go to her 1st round exit at the AO in January?
D. Is Sharapova really worth her Nike contract?
E. What will MS's ranking drop down to?
F. Is it time to push the panic button yet on her comeback/career? Or is this just a bad year?

Thoughts everyone?

Human Nature
Sep 27th, 2010, 02:55 PM
Sorry, but I disagree. Date was a lesser player than those in your last paragraph, and yet she is beating the former World no 1, and 3 time Grand Slam champion (all since hte last 6 years or so). Date does deserve credit, she is amazing and no one is saying she isn't. I think the point StefficaGreles was making was pretty clear, and if those you mention in your last paragraph did come back (even though they wont) chances are they would be doing what Date is doing - proving that apart from when Serena deigns to play, this is probably the worst period ever in womens' tennis. The only reason there aren't other 40 year olds beating 'new generation' players is because they haven't come back! if they did well they would all be top 15 at least! If Capriati and Monica hadn't been 'premanently' injured I reckon they would still be both top 10 (if not top 5!) and Steffi would probably be winning a slam or 2 and second only to Serena! Arantxa could challenge anyone still at RG! If that isn't worrying I don't know what is!

Some people are so funny

It is not like she is beating left and right Serena Wosniaki or Jankovic

Whatever what Sharapova and Safina used to be THEY ARE NO MORE no wonder why they are beyong the top 10

when was the last time Sharapova has past the Quarters or even the 3rd round of a GS to call her A TOP PLAYER supposely beaten by DATE

Date krumm is only taking advantage of two players at their respective WORST and LOWEST period of their carreer add to this she didnt even beat them in 2 easy sets always fighting fearcely and winning in 3 tight sets
If her generation was sooo much better why doesnt she manage to beat them in two easy sets

As long as she doesnt beat a real top player in a regular basis i still think this generation is better than the 90's

New
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:12 PM
Well done Kimiko!!:bounce:

Serenita
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:29 PM
Well done, Kimiko.
But her fans shouldn't get all too ecstatic. It's not like she beat Serena; she just defeated a top 40 player.

fix it for ya. :lol:

DiscoStick
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:30 PM
Oh my god. OH MY GOD.

is1531
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:39 PM
It's amazing how Krumm won in Japan, or is it? Sharapova's game has gone down hill.

freeandlonely
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:40 PM
:weirdo:

MakarovaFan
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:41 PM
There goes Maria's non-slam event streak

ptitnavet
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:48 PM
KimiGOAT :bowdown:

Maria :hug:

mariavikafan
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Maria, you need a brain surgery DF it's all in her head the girl lead 3/2 40/0 and baaaaam 2 DF coming out of nowhere you were just reallly but really bad and you deserve to lose I don't care if you had mono or flu or whatever just stop DF for fuck safe.
I'm tired of you and won't support you until next week.

Roookie
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Oh. My. God.

hablo
Sep 27th, 2010, 03:58 PM
:spit:

justineheninfan
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:01 PM
Funny how you often read younger fans or Graf haters saying Graf would get overpowered by todays new game and people like Sharpova and Safina, yet those people cant even beat Date at 40 after being retired for 13 years, a bit top 15/sometimes top 10 player of the Graf era at her peak. :lol:

justineheninfan
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:03 PM
Some people are so funny

It is not like she is beating left and right Serena Wosniaki or Jankovic

Whatever what Sharapova and Safina used to be THEY ARE NO MORE no wonder why they are beyong the top 10

when was the last time Sharapova has past the Quarters or even the 3rd round of a GS to call her A TOP PLAYER supposely beaten by DATE

Date krumm is only taking advantage of two players at their respective WORST and LOWEST period of their carreer add to this she didnt even beat them in 2 easy sets always fighting fearcely and winning in 3 tight sets
If her generation was sooo much better why doesnt she manage to beat them in two easy sets

As long as she doesnt beat a real top player in a regular basis i still think this generation is better than the 90's

Yeah and Date is at her best at 40 I am sure. She is probably 30% what she was in her physical prime.

Break My Rapture
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:04 PM
Happy for Kimiko, she deserved it. :)

Maria.. :happy:

LUVMIRZA
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:07 PM
Get ittttt togetherrrrrr Maria!!!!1111

BlackPanther.
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:08 PM
Expected :smash::shrug:
:angel:

mariavikafan
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:08 PM
Funny how you often read younger fans or Graf haters saying Graf would get overpowered by todays new game and people like Sharpova and Safina, yet those people cant even beat Date at 40 after being retired for 13 years, a bit top 15/sometimes top 10 player of the Graf era at her peak. :lol:

Sharapova is nowhere near her best and everyone knows anyway why just don't you come up in this thread to congratulate Kimiko why are you talking about Graf noone really cares about her now she is no longer a tennis player.

gmak
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:20 PM
a new low for Maria :o :help: :rolleyes:
pretty much sums up her season :lol:

marc0026
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:26 PM
Yeah and Date is at her best at 40 I am sure. She is probably 30% what she was in her physical prime.

I think we shouldnt compare the generations and say which one is better because you can not. Tennis was different back then, the technology of the raquets at first...
We rather should just respect the great achievement of Kimiko Date to be able to compete with the best at the age 40 and even more to do this after 14 years of retirement.

Vincey!
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:26 PM
Maria :o I love you but you need to find a way to beat those kinds of players! I mean I remember when she lost to Hingis who has the same kind of game has Kimiko. Maria def has trouble against old games. Lucky her there's only one now with that type of game

Daruma.
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:29 PM
:banana:

Human Nature
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:29 PM
Yeah and Date is at her best at 40 I am sure. She is probably 30% what she was in her physical prime.


Sharapova has beaten Justine Henin Hardenne a 7 GS winner several time in her pre-retirement when she was at her PEAK as much as Safina on Clay

If i follow your logic what doest it reaveal about your favorite :lol:

I am not even a fan of Sharapova i coulnd care less about her nor Safina

hankqq
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:31 PM
:speakles: :eek: WOW
nothing but respect for Kimiko :worship: :bowdown: I'm sure Sharapova didn't play her best, but most of the other players on tour who are 10 and 20 years younger than Kimiko still couldn't Maria :shrug:

PLP
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:32 PM
I am too happy for Kimiko to be that sad for Maria. This is HARDLY her worst loss. I think it was always going to be a tricky match. Her first match in almost a month against the hometown favorite.

GL Kimiko, go far here &
Kick ass in Beijing Maria!

Lucemferre
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Funny how you often read younger fans or Graf haters saying Graf would get overpowered by todays new game and people like Sharpova and Safina, yet those people cant even beat Date at 40 after being retired for 13 years, a bit top 15/sometimes top 10 player of the Graf era at her peak. :lol:

Saying Graf would be overpowered in any era is plain dumb. Even if that is the case only a few players can do that and for sure not on a regular basis. What I always say about her game is that it is very modern.For her time she had a very futuristic game. When I watch old matches some players looks pathetic with their moonballing and zero power but Graf looks like a player from this era. Her game would never get old and it has nothing to do with technology,like federer. Do they think she would be a pusher in this era?:tape: Graf is overrated but she is easily alltime top 5 material in any era.

DOUBLEFIST
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:33 PM
:worship: Turns 40 tomorrow and ousts the defending champ. Russian killa!

Maria's serve is such a disaster.

Just :sad: Poor Maria. That's just embarrassing.

Michael!
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:33 PM
Nice win for Kimiko, she still has some great matches her and there, just amazing that she still can play on such a level, although Maria surely didnt play her best but when was the last time she played her best anyway? :happy:

Interesting match against Daniela now, I will cheer for Daniela, but wouldnt be too sad if Kimiko wins :D

englando08
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:38 PM
I think Maria will come back strong in Beijing.....As long as the draw is nice to her...

QueenBee
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:39 PM
Kimiko has exceeded the expectations of his return by far. Congrats Kimiko :bowdown:

mariavikafan
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:40 PM
I think Maria will come back strong in Beijing.....As long as the draw is nice to her...

One thing is sure she wouldn't have done great in both events Maria's stamina sucks.

justineheninfan
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Sharapova has beaten Justine Henin Hardenne a 7 GS winner several time in her pre-retirement when she was at her PEAK as much as Safina on Clay

If i follow your logic what doest it reaveal about your favorite :lol:

I am not even a fan of Sharapova i coulnd care less about her nor Safina

Henin leads Sharapova in head to head 7-3, in weeks at #1 by a huge margin, and in slams 7-3. Henin >>>>> Sharapova.

And Safina will go down as history as the worst #1 ever. I am sure Justine nor any great player has any envy of her career.

And Henin was not at her peak in early 2008. She was playing her worst tennis ever which is why she retired. Even this year struggling and nowhere near her 2003-2007 level she is still playing better than 2008.

justineheninfan
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:46 PM
Saying Graf would be overpowered in any era is plain dumb. Even if that is the case only a few players can do that and for sure not on a regular basis. What I always say about her game is that it is very modern.For her time she had a very futuristic game. When I watch old matches some players looks pathetic with their moonballing and zero power but Graf looks like a player from this era. Her game would never get old and it has nothing to do with technology,like federer. Do they think she would be a pusher in this era?:tape: Graf is overrated but she is easily alltime top 5 material in any era.

I definitely agree with all of that, well except I dont consider Graf at all overrated but that is subjective of course. :lol: Graf had a very modern playing style which would be effective even today.

Anyway another great performance by Date. Her comeback seems to be only getting better, maybe next year she can get into the top 30 if she can play enough.

MakarovaFan
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:46 PM
Henin leads Sharapova in head to head 7-3, in weeks at #1 by a huge margin, and in slams 7-3. Henin >>>>> Sharapova.

And Safina will go down as history as the worst #1 ever. I am sure Justine nor any great player has any envy of her career.

And Henin was not at her peak in early 2008. She was playing her worst tennis ever which is why she retired. Even this year struggling and nowhere near her 2003-2007 level she is still playing better than 2008.
Okay but Maria beat her also in 2006,a year where Henin played EVERY major final...and in 2007 Justine's PEAK year,she barely beat Maria 57 75 63.....so whats your point?

Delfii
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:53 PM
Maria :haha: retire please... :bigwave:
Kimiko :hearts: :worship:

mariavikafan
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:53 PM
I just don't see where someone compare Henin and Sharapova, justineheninfan go troll elsewhere Henin is out for the rest of the season just do the same:shrug:

Human Nature
Sep 27th, 2010, 04:55 PM
Henin leads Sharapova in head to head 7-3, in weeks at #1 by a huge margin, and in slams 7-3. Henin >>>>> Sharapova.

And Safina will go down as history as the worst #1 ever. I am sure Justine nor any great player has any envy of her career.

And Henin was not at her peak in early 2008. She was playing her worst tennis ever which is why she retired. Even this year struggling and nowhere near her 2003-2007 level she is still playing better than 2008.


I am not saying Henin envies Sharapova's carreer

I am saying Sharapova beat her TWICE when she was at her peak

USOPEN 2006 Henin reached 4 GS finals and won RG but Sharapova beat her in straight sets and i am not even mentionning the bagels she has had in 2008

When you think Sharapova beat a PEAK Henin in straights but looses to kimiko Date it reaveals a lot about your own favorite doesnt it

I am not saying HENIN is not a great player just critisizing the DUMB post about the supposely superiority of the former generation on this generation just because Sharapova lost to kimiko

Lucemferre
Sep 27th, 2010, 05:01 PM
I definitely agree with all of that, well except I dont consider Graf at all overrated but that is subjective of course. :lol: Graf had a very modern playing style which would be effective even today.

Anyway another great performance by Date. Her comeback seems to be only getting better, maybe next year she can get into the top 30 if she can play enough.

Or you can say overachiever.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 27th, 2010, 05:03 PM
Graf keeps coming into these discussions. Let's get the record straight. A young Steffi Graf playing on the tour now would absolutely be number 1 and winning Grand Slams left and right. I don't doubt that for a minute. Steffi Graf is without question one of the 3 best players of the open era. And she plays a game that could be very effective today if she was playing it like she was in her 20s.

But a 40 year old Graf? Honestly? I very very much doubt she would even be able to match the success of Date-Krumm let alone surpass it. What do I base that statement on? Three things. Take a look at how many players over the age of 37 have reached the top 100 in the last 20 years. Just because Kimiko has managed it doesn't make it easier. She is the very very remarkable rare one-off exception, not the rule. Secondly, Kimiko beat Graf in an exhibition prior to her going professional for a 2nd time. Thirdly, Graf's game is modern but that's just it. At 40 it would merely be an old women playing a modern game that the entire tour is used to. With Kimiko her game is not typical of the type of tennis that is played today and that is very much to her advantage at the age of 40. She plays a unique game that can cause discomfort to those players who are used to a more contempory style.