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terjw
Sep 26th, 2010, 03:14 AM
I've compiled a number of stats for Serena, Venus, Justine, Kim, Masha, Lindz, Hingis, JenCap, Momo & Pierce on the rates at which these players win titles and slams. So I thought I'd post them.

Rate winning tournaments over their career to date and trend over last few years:
Percentage is titles per tournaments played

Justine....30.28% (slight drop in comeback year, but fairly constant last few years)
Kim........27.40% (up 1.5% in her comeback)
Serena....25.87% (slight increase this year, but dropping steadily since 2003
Martina...24.71% (dropped 4% as a result of her comeback)
Venus.....22.99% (has been steadily dropping since 2002)
Lindsay...21.88% (fairly constant)
Maria......19.47% (dropping and below 20% 1st time for 5 years)
Amelie.....11.26% (steadily dropped since 2006 the last 3 years she played)
Mary........7.53% (fairly constant)
Jennifer....7.49% (slight drop the last few years she played)Best Rate ever had winning tournaments over their career and the year end they did it:

Serena.....32.86% 2003
Martina....32.11% 2000
Justine......30.83% 2008
Venus......29.47% 2002
Kim.........27.40% 2010
Maria.......22.39% 2006
Lindsay....22.03% 2005
Amelie......13.22% 2006
Jennifer.....13.16% 1992
Mary........11.43% 1992Best Rate in a single year winning tournaments and the year (minimum 5 tournament played):

Justine.....71.43% 2007
Martina...70.59% 1997
Serena.....61.54% 2002
Venus......60.00% 2000
Kim.........52.94% 2005
*Lindsay..41.18% 2001 & 2004
Maria.......33.33% 2006
Amelie......29.41% 2004
Mary........25.00% 1998
Jennifer.....17.65% 2001*Note: Lindsay did get 66.67% in 2007 but only played 3 tournaments winning 2.

Rate winning slams over their career to date:

Serena....30.23%
Justine.....20.59%
Venus.....13.73%
Martina...13.51%
Kim........10.34%
Maria......10.34%
Jennifer.....7.5%
Lindsay.....5.45%
Amelie......4.35%
Mary........3.85%Best Rate of winning of winning any particular slam over their career to date and the slam:

Serena.....45.45% AO
Justine......44.44% RG
Kim..........42.86% USO
Venus.......35.51% Wimbledon
Martina.....30.00% AO
Jennifer......25.00% AO
Maria........16.67% USO
Amelie.......9.09% Wimbledon & AO
Lindsay......7.69% Wimbledon
Mary.........7.69% AO

Matt01
Sep 26th, 2010, 02:05 PM
Justine & Kim :yeah:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Sep 26th, 2010, 02:10 PM
Welldone Justine and Kim .

Shame Serena didnt win as many MM's (Tier3/4 and international tournaments) as the others, or it would've been much higher. Also proud of her for not quitting when the going got tough :D

Rate winning slams over their career to date:
1 Serena....30.23%

Best Rate of winning of winning any particular slam over their career to date and the slam:
1 Serena.....45.45% AO

:worship:

Also I think Serena has the better overall win-loss record.

Bismarck.
Sep 26th, 2010, 02:14 PM
Some strong stats there for Kim, Justine and Serena:bigclap:.

tennisbum79
Sep 26th, 2010, 02:18 PM
Good job compiling the stats.

But this is really like inside baseball, where they have a dzzying of category of stats, and baseball really cares about them.

Int tennis, when you career is over, it the grand total titles is that count, not how fast you obtain them.

Nonetheless, nice compilation.

Dave.
Sep 26th, 2010, 02:23 PM
What's the difference between these two?


Best Rate ever had winning tournaments over their career and the year end they did it:

Best Rate in a single year winning tournaments and the year (minimum 5 tournament played):




Anyway, thanks for the stats. However it would be interesting to know how they would be without their 2 year retirements in between.

terjw
Sep 28th, 2010, 06:56 PM
What's the difference between these two?


Best Rate ever had winning tournaments over their career and the year end they did it:

Best Rate in a single year winning tournaments and the year (minimum 5 tournament played):




Anyway, thanks for the stats. However it would be interesting to know how they would be without their 2 year retirements in between.

To answer your 1st question:

Taking their best rate in a single year means the rate at which they won their titles in just that year. I think the big 5 are the Williams, the Belgians and Martina. All these players had a year where they won more than 50% of the tournaments they played that year. Some very high numbers posted in their best year.

The best rate they've had for their career is different. Justine and Kim have the best rates of any players I've done for their career as of now. But if we go back to say the end of 2003 and if I'd done this then - so that's for all the matches a player has played up to 2003 - that's the figure we get. My complete spreadsheet I did on my PC contains what each of these player's career rate of winning was at the end of each year they played. As you can see - at the end of 2003 - Serena's rate of racking up titles in her career up to then (not just in 2003) was 32.86% - very high - but it's not going to be the sort of rate racked up just for the best year.

Your last question is a what if Kim and and Justine hadn't retired. During their absence of course - the rates stay the same because they are not playing. If they had played is a subjective call but IMO I'm 99% certain their rates would have nosedived. They were in no shape mentally to play at their standard, and wanted to stop playing and had no intention then of playing again.

What I would say is above 25% is pretty high and going to be pretty difficult to sustain.Venus once had a rate of over 29%, Serena of over 32%. They've dropped 7% since then. Matina dropped 4% in less than 2 years as a result of her comeback. I think Justine may have her work cut out to sustain that very high rate of 30.28% she has now. The higher your rate - the more often you need to win to sustain it. Linndsay though was pretty remarkable how she maintained her rate right till the end. Only 21.88% but just stayed like that and it didn't dip at all despite the many years she was playing.

bandabou
Dec 29th, 2010, 10:31 AM
Nice...Serena the paramount clutch player. winning rate at majors 5 % HIGHER than at regular events. :lol: Go babygirlll!

The Witch-king
Dec 29th, 2010, 10:42 AM
USeless stats.

Jess-Avery
Dec 29th, 2010, 11:01 AM
Thats great. . . Justine & Kim are rocks. . . :D
You done a good job man. . .

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Claycourter
Dec 29th, 2010, 11:32 AM
Justine is amazing.

Akila
Dec 29th, 2010, 12:53 PM
These stats are foolish. The categories alone are just irrelevant :shrug:

debby
Dec 29th, 2010, 01:59 PM
Congrats Justine, Kim and Serena !!! :yeah:

Welldone Justine and Kim .

Shame Serena didnt win as many MM's (Tier3/4 and international tournaments) as the others, or it would've been much higher. Also proud of her for not quitting when the going got tough :D


:worship:

Also I think Serena has the better overall win-loss record.

Wow, you feel so insecure just because Serena doesn't own all statistics even though she is easily the best of her generation. How classy.

justineheninfan
Dec 29th, 2010, 02:07 PM
I've compiled a number of stats for Serena, Venus, Justine, Kim, Masha, Lindz, Hingis, JenCap, Momo & Pierce on the rates at which these players win titles and slams. So I thought I'd post them.

Rate winning tournaments over their career to date and trend over last few years:
Percentage is titles per tournaments played

Justine....30.28% (slight drop in comeback year, but fairly constant last few years)
Kim........26.71% (slight increase in comeback but fairly constant last few years)
Serena....25.87% (slight increase this year, but dropping steadily since 2003
Martina...24.71% (dropped 4% as a result of her comeback)
Venus.....22.99% (has been steadily dropping since 2002)
Lindsay...21.88% (fairly constant)
Maria......20.00% (slight drop from 3 years ago, but constant last 2 years)
Amelie.....11.26% (steadily dropped since 2006 the last 3 years she played)
Mary........7.53% (fairly constant)
Jennifer....7.49% (slight drop the last few years she played)Best Rate ever had winning tournaments over their career and the year end they did it:

Serena.....32.86% 2003
Martina....32.11% 2000
Justine......30.83% 2008
Venus......29.47% 2002
Kim.........26.79% 2005
Maria.......22.39% 2006
Lindsay....22.03% 2005
Amelie......13.22% 2006
Jennifer.....13.16% 1992
Mary........11.43% 1992Best Rate in a single year winning tournaments and the year (minimum 5 tournament played):

Justine.....71.43% 2007
Martina...70.59% 1997
Serena.....61.54% 2002
Venus......60.00% 2000
Kim.........52.94% 2005
*Lindsay..41.18% 2001 & 2004
Maria.......33.33% 2006
Amelie......29.41% 2004
Mary........25.00% 1998
Jennifer.....17.65% 2001*Note: Lindsay did get 66.67% in 2007 but only played 3 tournaments winning 2.

Rate winning slams over their career to date:

Serena....30.23%
Justine.....20.59%
Venus.....13.73%
Martina...13.51%
Kim........10.34%
Maria......10.34%
Jennifer.....7.5%
Lindsay.....5.45%
Amelie......4.35%
Mary........3.85%Best Rate of winning of winning any particular slam over their career to date and the slam:

Serena.....45.45% AO
Justine......44.44% RG
Kim..........42.86% USO
Venus.......35.51% Wimbledon
Martina.....30.00% AO
Jennifer......25.00% AO
Maria........16.67% USO
Amelie.......9.09% Wimbledon & AO
Lindsay......7.69% Wimbledon
Mary.........7.69% AO


Those first 3 categories show why I am tough on Capriati sometimes. With her talent she should have done alot better than that, particularly in the tournaments won stat. I stiill cant believe she won only 14 tournaments.

RenaSlam.
Dec 29th, 2010, 02:11 PM
And in the end, the only statistic that will really matter is 13/16 for Serena. 81.25%

justineheninfan
Dec 29th, 2010, 02:21 PM
It is interesting too to see Mauresmo above Pierce in every category. That should settle the debate between the two of who is the best of the 2 slammers.

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2010, 04:00 PM
surely kims is a higher percentage now on rate of winning titles, as this was last edited in september, kim has played and won the YEC since then which will only increase her stats.

Vincey!
Dec 29th, 2010, 04:22 PM
Interesting stats, but I don't think you should have counted Sharapova, she's in another generation I think, you can't really count her and not Kuznetsova or Jankovic or Mauresmo or Jankovic I think

Nicolás89
Dec 29th, 2010, 04:28 PM
Welldone Justine and Kim .

Shame Serena didnt win as many MM's (Tier3/4 and international tournaments) as the others, or it would've been much higher. Also proud of her for not quitting when the going got tough :D


:worship:

Also I think Serena has the better overall win-loss record.

Lol Take it easy, Serena doesn't have to be the best at everything. :unsure:

terjw
Dec 29th, 2010, 05:11 PM
surely kims is a higher percentage now on rate of winning titles, as this was last edited in september, kim has played and won the YEC since then which will only increase her stats.

Yes. Kim is 27.4% now. And the highest it's been in her career. It doessn't fundamentally affect anything - but you are correct and she's up 1.5% from her comeback as opposed to being slightly up.

Also - when I did that post I forgot to include the USO in Maria's total played for some reason so she's just under 20% at 19.47% now.

I'll edit it.

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2010, 05:42 PM
sharapova also has played 2 more tournaments after the us open, and lost in them both so her percent should be slipping futher. lucky for you, venus, serena and henin haven't played since the us open so nothing to do to them :p

Lucemferre
Dec 29th, 2010, 05:43 PM
:yawn:

terjw
Dec 30th, 2010, 08:33 AM
sharapova also has played 2 more tournaments after the us open, and lost in them both so her percent should be slipping futher. lucky for you, venus, serena and henin haven't played since the us open so nothing to do to them :p

I already automatically included those when I corrected for not including the USO she played since my spreadsheet was up to date with those two tournaments. The three tournaments played dropped her down to 19.47% from 20% - first time below 20% for 5 years. Thanks for the feedback.

winone23
Dec 30th, 2010, 11:14 AM
Great Stats :explode:

Beat
Dec 30th, 2010, 11:55 AM
And in the end, the only statistic that will really matter is 13/16 for Serena. 81.25%

:yawn:

bandabou
Dec 30th, 2010, 12:12 PM
:lol: It's good, it's good...as long as people don't start to spin this into: Belgians are greater, etc. ' Cause 13 majors are 13 majors.

it-girl
Dec 30th, 2010, 02:22 PM
I've compiled a number of stats for Serena, Venus, Justine, Kim, Masha, Lindz, Hingis, JenCap, Momo & Pierce on the rates at which these players win titles and slams. So I thought I'd post them.

Rate winning tournaments over their career to date and trend over last few years:
Percentage is titles per tournaments played
Justine....30.28% (slight drop in comeback year, but fairly constant last few years)
Kim........27.40% (up 1.5% in her comeback)
Serena....25.87% (slight increase this year, but dropping steadily since 2003
Martina...24.71% (dropped 4% as a result of her comeback)
Venus.....22.99% (has been steadily dropping since 2002)
Lindsay...21.88% (fairly constant)
Maria......19.47% (dropping and below 20% 1st time for 5 years)
Amelie.....11.26% (steadily dropped since 2006 the last 3 years she played)
Mary........7.53% (fairly constant)
Jennifer....7.49% (slight drop the last few years she played)Best Rate ever had winning tournaments over their career and the year end they did it:
Serena.....32.86% 2003
Martina....32.11% 2000
Justine......30.83% 2008
Venus......29.47% 2002
Kim.........27.40% 2010
Maria.......22.39% 2006
Lindsay....22.03% 2005
Amelie......13.22% 2006
Jennifer.....13.16% 1992
Mary........11.43% 1992Best Rate in a single year winning tournaments and the year (minimum 5 tournament played):
Justine.....71.43% 2007
Martina...70.59% 1997
Serena.....61.54% 2002
Venus......60.00% 2000
Kim.........52.94% 2005
*Lindsay..41.18% 2001 & 2004
Maria.......33.33% 2006
Amelie......29.41% 2004
Mary........25.00% 1998
Jennifer.....17.65% 2001*Note: Lindsay did get 66.67% in 2007 but only played 3 tournaments winning 2.

Rate winning slams over their career to date:
Serena....30.23%
Justine.....20.59%
Venus.....13.73%
Martina...13.51%
Kim........10.34%
Maria......10.34%
Jennifer.....7.5%
Lindsay.....5.45%
Amelie......4.35%
Mary........3.85%Best Rate of winning of winning any particular slam over their career to date and the slam:
Serena.....45.45% AO
Justine......44.44% RG
Kim..........42.86% USO
Venus.......35.51% Wimbledon
Martina.....30.00% AO
Jennifer......25.00% AO
Maria........16.67% USO
Amelie.......9.09% Wimbledon & AO
Lindsay......7.69% Wimbledon
Mary.........7.69% AOAs for the players steadily dropping, we should all be aware by now that they have suffered from injuries throughout their careers. So injuries do play a part of diminishing these stats for several players. I think the stat that really matters & is most impressive is winning more than one slam in a year like Venus did in 00, 01, Justine did in 03,07 & we all know about the Serena Slam but she even did it this year in 2010. That is what people will talk about because winning more than one slam in a calendar year is what truly makes you great because it is hard to achieve.

justineheninfan
Dec 30th, 2010, 02:41 PM
Winning more than 1 slam in a single year used to be commonplace, in fact winning 3 in a year used to be very common and now it is extremely rare. I think that just shows this will be remembered as a weaker era in womens tennis that such things are so much more rare now.

1960:

1961- Hard wins 2 slams
1962- Court wins 3 slams
1963- Court wins 2 slams
1964- Court and Bueno win 2 slams
1965- Court wins 3 slams
1967- King wins 2 slams
1968- King wins 2 slams
1969- Court wins 3 slams

1970s:

1970- Court wins 4 slams
1971- Goolagong wins 2 slams
1972- King wins 3 slams
1973- Court wins 3 slams
1974- Evert wins 2 slams
1975- Evert wins 2 slams (out of 3 played)
1976- Evert wins 2 slams (out of 2 played)


1980s:

1980- Evert wins 2 slams
1982- Navratilova and Evert win 2 slams
1983- Navratilova wins 3 slams
1984- Navratilova wins 3 slams
1985- Navratilova win 2 slams
1986- Navratilova win 2 slams (out of 3 held)
1987- Navratilova wins 2 slams (and Graf loses only 2 matches)
1988- Graf wins 4 slams
1989- Graf wins 3 slams


1990s:

1991- Seles wins 3 slams
1992- Seles wins 3 slams
1993- Graf wins 3 slams
1994- Sanchez Vicario wins 2 slams
1995- Graf wins 3 slams (out of 3 played)
1996- Graf wins 3 slams (out of 3 played)
1997- Hingis wins 3 slams


The past decade has only produced one top 10 player all time (Serena) and two "maybe" top 15 players all time (Henin and Venus). Not much compared to the other decades of the Open Era. The 2000-2009 period also produced alot of 2 slam years with Venus in 2000 and 2001, Henin in 2003 and 2007, Serena in 2002, 2003, 2009, Capriati in 2002, and Mauresmo in 2006, but only one 3 slam year.

ExXotikal
Dec 30th, 2010, 02:51 PM
Kim and Justine who? I'm here for SERENA. That is all

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terjw
Dec 30th, 2010, 03:09 PM
As for the players steadily dropping, we should all be aware by now that they have suffered from injuries throughout their careers. So injuries do play a part of diminishing these stats for several players. I think the stat that really matters & is most impressive is winning more than one slam in a year like Venus did in 00, 01, Justine did in 03,07 & we all know about the Serena Slam but she even did it this year in 2010. That is what people will talk about because winning more than one slam in a calendar year is what truly makes you great because it is hard to achieve.

You obviously don't understand the concept of the rate at which a player wins. Whilst a player is is not playing - their rate of winning stays the same. When a player is injured and is not playing - the rate at which they win just stays as it is neither dropping nor increasing.

This season - both Kim and Serena were injured during the season - Kim missed the clay season, Serena didn't play after Wimbledon. For both players - their winning rate went up - Kim quite a bit, Serena a small amount. They got wins when they did play. The rate stays the same when they didn't play.

Remember Lindz comeback in 2007 / 2008. She broke down with injuries but when she did play managed to win 4 times she increased her winning rate by half a percent over those two years to 21.88%. Only slightly and more or less constant. The injuries excuse is a complete red-herring.

Sammo
Dec 30th, 2010, 03:41 PM
Martina :inlove:

bandabou
Dec 30th, 2010, 08:50 PM
Go Sere! All the talk about Juju this, Juju that...it's babygirlllll who rules!

justineheninfan
Dec 30th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Actually people hardly talk about Henin these days it seems. Clijsters seems to be the one getting all the hype at the moment. It remains to be seen if she translates that to more slam wins and a higher standing amongst her peers than where she currently resides.