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mm1147
Jul 15th, 2010, 11:56 PM
which do you think is the most dominant win

LINDSAY DAVENPORT 2000 Australian Open
VENUS WILLIAMS 2001 US Open
SERENA WILLIAMS 2002 US Open
JUSTINE HENIN 2007 US Open
MARIA SHARAPOVA 2008 Australian Open
VENUS WILLIAMS 2008 Wimbledon
SERENA WILLIAMS 2008 US Open
SERENA WILLIAMS 2010 wimbledon

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jul 15th, 2010, 11:57 PM
The naughties?

Serena Williams 2002 USO by far was the most dominant Grandslam Win.

She was just toying with her opponents during all of her matches. Especially during the SF match, she was barely letting Lindsay do anything out there.

Lindsay said during this years Wimbledon that when Serena is playing like that, players could only hope to win a couple of games at most.

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Honorable mention - Venus Williams 2001 US Open.

She wasnt even stretched to a 7-5 set in any of her matches.

Hugh.
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:07 AM
Maria Oz Open 08.

Destroyed the whole tournament, did not drop a set...and was barely dropping games.

shoryuken
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:07 AM
The naughties?

Serena Williams 2002 USO by far was the most dominant Grandslam Win.

She was just toying with her opponents during all of her matches. Especially during the SF match, she was barely letting Lindsay do anything out there.

Lindsay said during this years Wimbledon that when Serena is playing like that, players could only hope to win a couple of games at most.


I love this Serena :drool:

Lachy
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:08 AM
Masha Aussie Open 08

No sets lost, Bagel Lena V, Bagel Lena D, Bagel JuJu!!

:drool:

moby
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:12 AM
The naughties?

Serena Williams 2002 USO by far was the most dominant Grandslam Win.

She was just toying with her opponents during all of her matches. Especially during the SF match, she was barely letting Lindsay do anything out there. You mean the semifinal where Lindsay had about 3 set points in the second set?

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:13 AM
You mean the semifinal where Lindsay had about 3 set points in the second set?

Yep and like 1 winner in the first entire set or something (even though she was playing quite well!), she wasnt allowed to do much.

Ryan
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:14 AM
I immediately thought of Maria at the 2008 Oz Open. Serena at USO 2002 is a great one too though, I just didn't think that far back. Those would probably be my top two.

shoryuken
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:15 AM
Yep and like 1 winner in the entire set, she wasnt allowed to do much.

She hit 0 in the first set :drool:

kaktusino
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:15 AM
Sharapova 2008.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:18 AM
She hit 0 in the first set :drool:

Oh yea! She was hitting so deep, almost at Serena's feet at times. Thats why said, Serena was just toying with them :worship:

xan
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:27 AM
Sharapova 2008.
:yeah: I wanna see that Masha back!

Nicolás89
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:32 AM
Henin french open 2006, 2007; Sharapova AO 2008; Serena US Open 2002; Venus Wimbledon 2007. They're all up there.

Imperfect Angel
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:33 AM
Why isn't any Justine's wins on RG dominant?:scratch:

Imperfect Angel
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:34 AM
Why isn't any Justine's wins on RG dominant?:scratch:

Henin french open 2006, 2007; Sharapova AO 2008; Serena US Open 2002; Venus Wimbledon 2007. They're all up there.

Just answered my question.:p :worship:

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:35 AM
Sharapova AO08 and it's not remotely close.
Btw, only one of those mentioned in the OP is from "this decade". :) Unless you're going by the smartassey definition of a decade... in which case you'd have to remove the Davenport 2000 one.

MBM
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:36 AM
Henin french open 2006, 2007; Sharapova AO 2008; Serena US Open 2002; Venus Wimbledon 2007. They're all up there.

??

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7vga4_2007-wimbledon-venus-williams-vs-ak_sport

Nicolás89
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:39 AM
??

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7vga4_2007-wimbledon-venus-williams-vs-ak_sport

After that she demolished Maria, Sveta, Ana and Marion.

MBM
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:43 AM
After that she demolished Maria, Sveta, Ana and Marion.

Being the key words...

This was not her only unconvincing match that tournament. First round vs Kudryavsteva went 3 sets 7-5 in the third. That's hardly dominant

goldenlox
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:44 AM
I would say Sharapova 2008 AO. Never lost a set, 5 of the 7 players she faced won 4 games or less.
That group was Henin, Dementieva, Davenport, Jankovic and Vesnina.
She walked out of there as tons the best player in that draw those 2 weeks.

Nicolás89
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:46 AM
Being the key words...

This was not her only unconvincing match that tournament. First round vs Kudryavsteva went 3 sets 7-5 in the third. That's hardly dominant

Yeah, I'm gonna stand by my post if you don't mind.

MBM
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:50 AM
Yeah, I'm gonna stand by my post if you don't mind.

Only if I don't mind?? :drool:

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:53 AM
Sharapova AO08 and it's not remotely close.
Btw, only one of those mentioned in the OP is from "this decade". :) Unless you're going by the smartassey definition of a decade... in which case you'd have to remove the Davenport 2000 one.

I would say Sharapova 2008 AO. Never lost a set, 5 of the 7 players she faced won 4 games or less.
That group was Henin, Dementieva, Davenport, Jankovic and Vesnina.
She walked out of there as tons the best player in that draw those 2 weeks.

Maria lost 32 games in that tournament. Serena only lost 29 during the 2002 US Open.

Sp!ffy
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:01 AM
Maria lost 32 games in that tournament. Serena only lost 29 during the 2002 US Open.

Please compare Maria's opponents to Serena's.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:04 AM
serena us open 2002...hands down

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:06 AM
Please compare Maria's opponents to Serena's.

Maria faced the 4th seed, the 3rd seed, the 1st seed, the 11th seed, Vesnina (unseeded), an over the hill Davenport (unseeded), and some woman named Kostanić Tošić (obviously unseeded).

Serena played the second seed, the 4th seed, the 11th seed, the 20th seed, the 26th seed, Safina (unseeded), and a WC.

Maria beat number one in the world, but Serena WAS number one in the world, so you obviously can't expect her to match that feat. Besides that, the draws match up pretty evenly. Serena played five seeded players, Maria only four.

Sp!ffy
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:14 AM
Maria faced the 4th seed, the 3rd seed, the 1st seed, the 11th seed, Vesnina (unseeded), an over the hill Davenport (unseeded), and some woman named Kostanić Tošić (obviously unseeded).

Serena played the second seed, the 4th seed, the 11th seed, the 20th seed, the 26th seed, Safina (unseeded), and a WC.

Maria beat number one in the world, but Serena WAS number one in the world, so you obviously can't expect her to match that feat. Besides that, the draws match up pretty evenly. Serena played five seeded players, Maria only four.

Fair enough. But I think Davenport should be given a little bit more credit..she was still playing pretty good tennis.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:17 AM
Maria faced the 4th seed, the 3rd seed, the 1st seed, the 11th seed, Vesnina (unseeded), an over the hill Davenport (unseeded), and some woman named Kostanić Tošić (obviously unseeded).

Serena played the second seed, the 4th seed, the 11th seed, the 20th seed, the 26th seed, Safina (unseeded), and a WC.

Maria beat number one in the world, but Serena WAS number one in the world, so you obviously can't expect her to match that feat. Besides that, the draws match up pretty evenly. Serena played five seeded players, Maria only four.

Serena nearly lost a set to a Davenport just making a comeback from knee surgery, while Maria destroyed someone on a 32-match winning streak. :shrug:

Gdsimmons
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:18 AM
Without a doubt Serena US 02!!

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:21 AM
Serena only beat one top 10 player at the USO - Davenport was only seeded 4th due to a protected ranking. Conversely, Maria beat 3 top 5 players at the AO. End of discussion. :wavey:

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:22 AM
Serena nearly lost a set to a Davenport just making a comeback from knee surgery, while Maria destroyed someone on a 32-match winning streak. :shrug:
If a WS fan told you the sky was blue, you would disagree on principle wouldn't you?

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:22 AM
If a WS fan told you the sky was blue, you would disagree on principle wouldn't you?

Why according to you is Serena the best in every regard until proven otherwise?

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:23 AM
Serena nearly lost a set to a Davenport just making a comeback from knee surgery,

Davenport coming back from a surgery>>>>>>>>>>> Ivanovic. And it was her fifth tournament back and her fifth straight semi. How is this "just making a comeback"? You act as if she had just finished losing to Dulko at Wimbledon or something.

while Maria destroyed someone on a 32-match winning streak. :shrug:

We must forgive Serena for beating everyone that year and preventing players from going on lengthy winning streaks.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:25 AM
Davenport coming back from a surgery>>>>>>>>>>> Ivanovic.

:spit: Is this sarcasm? You really think Davenport was more highly regarded in mid-2002 when she hadn't been to a Slam final in two years and was still finding her form after major surgery, compared to an Ivanovic who was being tipped to win Slams anyday soon?

We must forgive Serena for beating everyone that year and preventing players from going on lengthy winning streaks.

The GOAT that is Chanda Rubin isn't included in "everyone", eh?

gazeboes2004
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:25 AM
We must forgive Serena for beating everyone that year and preventing players from going on lengthy winning streaks.

:worship: :lol:

Sp!ffy
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:26 AM
The Ivanovic then shouldnt be thought of as the Ivanovic now. Two complete different players :spit:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:28 AM
Fair enough. But I think Davenport should be given a little bit more credit..she was still playing pretty good tennis.

davenport was semi retired/semi player at that point...hardly moved...she was even less of a threat to maria than she usually was

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:29 AM
davenport was semi retired/semi player at that point...hardly moved...she was even less of a threat to maria than she usually was

Yeah, while beating Davenport a few weeks after she'd ended an 8-month lay-off is a huge achievement.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:29 AM
:spit: Is this sarcasm? You really think Davenport was more highly regarded in mid-2002 when she hadn't been to a Slam final in two years and was still finding her form after major surgery, compared to an Ivanovic who was being tipped to win Slams anyday soon?

How is someone who's made five consecutive semis still finding their form? In that USO she'd won her previous matches 6-2 6-1, 6-4 6-2, 6-3 6-1, 6-3 6-1. In what universe is this "finding her form"?

Craig.
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:30 AM
Oh fucking great, another Serena-Maria 'dispute'. They were both equally AMAZING, can we leave it at that? Jesus.

I think they're the top 2 anyway.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:32 AM
How is someone who's made five consecutive semis still finding their form? In that USO she'd won her previous matches 6-2 6-1, 6-4 6-2, 6-3 6-1, 6-3 6-1. In what universe is this "finding her form"?

Beating Davenport in that SF match was only a huge win if you similarly consider Dulko's win over Maria at Wimbledon last year an equally huge win.

Maria's win over Davenport at the AO was arguably a bigger achievement than Serena's win over her at the USO02, considering Davenport had won 3 of her last 4 events when she played Maria. And obviously 08Justine is a much better win than 02Venus, and let's not get started on whoever else Serena beat at the USO compared to Ivanovic and Jankovic. :lol:

Really, it's not close at all to anyone who isn't biased. Serena at Wimbledon 02 would be a better example, although it still doesn't cut it.

Sp!ffy
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:33 AM
davenport was semi retired/semi player at that point...hardly moved...she was even less of a threat to maria than she usually was

:eek: Didn't Davenport just beat Venus though? And she is a fully retired player....so.....if a retired Davenport can beat the number 3 player in the world than a semi-retired Davenport obviously is much better.

And dont give me this Venus didnt try bullshit. :spit:

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:36 AM
Beating Davenport in that SF match was only a huge win if you similarly consider Dulko's win over Maria at Wimbledon last year an equally huge win.

Maria was 24th seed at that Wimbledon. And had been beaten 6-0 6-2 by CIBULKOVA less than a month ago. Lindsay was 4th seed. 4th seed without having played the first three majors of the year. Not similar at all.

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:37 AM
Why according to you is Serena the best in every regard until proven otherwise?
That is a lie.....please find those post....because I stay out of the Serena is the GOAT threads.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:37 AM
:eek: Didn't Davenport just beat Venus though? And she is a fully retired player....so.....if a retired Davenport can beat the number 3 player in the world than a semi-retired Davenport obviously is much better.

And dont give me this Venus didnt try bullshit. :spit:


wtf are you talking about

in 2008 davenport had already had her 1st child and had only come back to the tour in the fall :unsure: davenport didn't beat venus in the 1st rd since that match was 2nd rd...

Lachy
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:38 AM
Yeah why turn this into a Serena/Maria debate? Opinions people :rolleyes:

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:38 AM
Beating Davenport in that SF match was only a huge win if you similarly consider Dulko's win over Maria at Wimbledon last year an equally huge win.

Maria's win over Davenport at the AO was arguably a bigger achievement than Serena's win over her at the USO02, considering Davenport had won 3 of her last 4 events when she played Maria. And obviously 08Justine is a much better win than 02Venus, and let's not get started on whoever else Serena beat at the USO compared to Ivanovic and Jankovic. :lol:

Really, it's not close at all to anyone who isn't biased. Serena at Wimbledon 02 would be a better example, although it still doesn't cut it.

The 08 Justine that got brutalized by Serena in Miami? Yes, sterling form she was in.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:39 AM
Maria was 24th seed at that Wimbledon. And had been beaten 6-0 6-2 by CIBULKOVA less than a month ago. Lindsay was 4th seed. 4th seed without having played the first three majors of the year. Not similar at all.

If they still applied protected rankings like they did in 2002, Maria would've been seeded 3rd at last year's Wimbledon (she was ranked #3 when she began her lay-off).

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:39 AM
The 08 Justine that got brutalized by Serena in Miami? Yes, sterling form she was in.

don't even try...you know 08 jh only counts when you want it to

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:40 AM
The 08 Justine that got brutalized by Serena in Miami? Yes, sterling form she was in.

The 08 Justine that was on a 32-match winning streak, longer than Serena's ever managed - sterling form indeed.

Baselinebasher
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:46 AM
Henin 2007 USO. Incredibly hard to win a hard court slam without losing a set, seeing as to how many hard court specialists there are.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:47 AM
If they still applied protected rankings like they did in 2002, Maria would've been seeded 3rd at last year's Wimbledon (she was ranked #3 when she began her lay-off).

False. It'd have been based on her average ranking during the first three months of the injury, which was around nine in the world.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:48 AM
The 08 Justine that was on a 32-match winning streak, longer than Serena's ever managed - sterling form indeed.

Too bad most of that streak wasn't in the season we're referencing. Or did you mean 07-08 Henin? If so, try to type more clearly.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:55 AM
False. It'd have been based on her average ranking during the first three months of the injury, which was around nine in the world.

I'm not sure this is how it worked, although it still reflects how ridiculous it is to cite Davenport's protected ranking in 2002 as proof of what a high-quality win it was to beat her.


Henin 2007 USO. Incredibly hard to win a hard court slam without losing a set, seeing as to how many hard court specialists there are.

Don't be silly, as Donny has explained, beating two reigning Slam champions, the then-world #2 and a player who would rise to #1 within 18 months (she double-bagelled Safina in the 4R) is nowhere NEAR as impressive as struggling to beat a player in their late 20s who'd just come back from major surgery. :spit:

Yes, I do think Justine's USO win is the second most dominant of the century, behind Maria and just ahead of Serena's win at Wimbledon in 02.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:06 AM
I'm not sure this is how it worked, although it still reflects how ridiculous it is to cite Davenport's protected ranking in 2002 as proof of what a high-quality win it was to beat her.

Beating someone who reaches the semi of a major without even being challenged along the way is a high quality win.


Don't be silly, as Donny has explained, beating two reigning Slam champions, the then-world #2 and a player who would rise to #1 within 18 months (she double-bagelled Safina in the 4R) is nowhere NEAR as impressive as struggling to beat a player in their late 20s who'd just come back from major surgery. :spit:

Yes, I do think Justine's USO win is the second most dominant of the century, behind Maria and just ahead of Serena's win at Wimbledon in 02.

So even if a player is playing great tennis, blowing through competition, as soon as they lose to Serena, they're "coming back from injury"? What kind of twisted logic is....

Oh, wait, you're a Maria fan. It all makes sense now. You're used to making those sorts of arguments.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:17 AM
So even if a player is playing great tennis, blowing through competition, as soon as they lose to Serena, they're "coming back from injury"? What kind of twisted logic is....

Oh, wait, you're a Maria fan. It all makes sense now. You're used to making those sorts of arguments.

Davenport had been blowing through all competition before she ran into Maria at the AO in 2008, winning 3 of 4 events compared to making a couple of SFs in summer 02 - yet you belittled Maria's win over Davenport.

homogenius
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:18 AM
Maria's run at the AO is kinda overrated.She played great tennis the whole tournament (some of the best tennis she ever played)but her opposition was much more impressive on paper than in the reality : Lindsay was slower than ever and should have saved herself this kind of humiliation by retiring earlier imho, JJ was injured and Justine was already out of it mentally.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:26 AM
Davenport had been blowing through all competition before she ran into Maria at the AO in 2008, winning 3 of 4 events compared to making a couple of SFs in summer 02 - yet you belittled Maria's win over Davenport.

http://i26.tinypic.com/55hw6u.jpg

Yea, she decimated the field....

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:26 AM
Maria's run at the AO is kinda overrated.She played great tennis the whole tournament (some of the best tennis she ever played)but her opposition was much more impressive on paper than in the reality : Lindsay was slower than ever and should have saved herself this kind of humiliation by retiring earlier imho, JJ was injured and Justine was already out of it mentally.

ITA.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:29 AM
http://i26.tinypic.com/55hw6u.jpg

Yea, she decimated the field....

...a week after she'd won her 3rd title in 4 tournaments, including wins over Jankovic, Dementieva and Vaidisova. Who had she beaten before meeting Serena in 02?

Craig.
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:29 AM
http://i26.tinypic.com/55hw6u.jpg

Yea, she decimated the field....

:lol: You're kinda trying too hard.

le bon vivant
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:32 AM
Maria's run at the AO is kinda overrated.She played great tennis the whole tournament (some of the best tennis she ever played)but her opposition was much more impressive on paper than in the reality : Lindsay was slower than ever and should have saved herself this kind of humiliation by retiring earlier imho, JJ was injured and Justine was already out of it mentally.This. They talk about it like she was in some kind of ominous, scary form. Her shoulder held up and took her chances, but it wasnt an awe inspiring run, besides her match vs Henin, which was very well played.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:33 AM
This. They talk about it like she was in some kind of ominous, scary form. Her shoulder held up and took her chances, but it wasnt an awe inspiring run, besides her match vs Henin, which was very well played.

Just after Maria had won the final, BBC commentators agreed they thought it was the most awe-inspiring run at a Slam since the heyday of Steffi Graf.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:35 AM
...a week after she'd won her 3rd title in 4 tournaments, including wins over Jankovic, Dementieva and Vaidisova. Who had she beaten before meeting Serena in 02?

Number six Jelena Dokic, number nine Mauresmo, and number 16 Myskina.

le bon vivant
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:36 AM
Just after Maria had won the final, BBC commentators agreed they thought it was the most awe-inspiring run at a Slam since the heyday of Steffi Graf.Well then they were mistaken.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:37 AM
Number six Jelena Dokic, number nine Mauresmo, and number 16 Myskina.

Not as impressive as Jankovic/Dementieva/Vaidisova.

Btw, I just looked at the supposedly ominious path through the draw Davenport had before meeting Serena at the USO... the only top 50 player she'd beaten was the GOAT that is Silvia Farina Elia. :lol: Serena should be extremely proud that she needed to save 3 set points before seeing off a pplayer on such an inspirational run of form. :worship: And this is supposedly the best Serena ever was that unquestionably proves she's the greatest ever...? :lol:

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:40 AM
Not as impressive as Jankovic/Dementieva/Vaidisova.

Btw, I just looked at the supposedly ominious path through the draw Davenport had before meeting Serena at the USO... the only top 50 player she'd beaten was the GOAT that is Silvia Farina Elia. :lol: Serena should be extremely proud that she needed to save 3 set points before seeing off a pplayer on such an inspirational run of form. :worship:

Dementieva was number 15 in the world at the time Lindsay beat her. How is beating a 14 seed (who was presumably higher ranked than that, because of Lindsay's protected ranking) less impressive? And Vaidisova? WTF?

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:43 AM
Dementieva was number 15 in the world at the time Lindsay beat her. How is beating a 14 seed (who was presumably higher ranked than that, because of Lindsay's protected ranking) less impressive? And Vaidisova? WTF?

Dementieva won a Tier One tournament two weeks after losing to Davenport, and Vaidisova was considered a Slam-champion-in-waiting. If you don't think they were higher quality wins than beating journeywoman Farina Elia then I don't know what to tell you.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:45 AM
Dementieva won a Tier One tournament two weeks after losing to Davenport, and Vaidisova was considered a Slam-champion-in-waiting. If you don't think they were higher quality wins than beating journeywoman Farina Elia then I don't know what to tell you.

Too bad they only played each other once, in 2005.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:48 AM
Too bad they only played each other once, in 2005.

I stand corrected - I thought they played in Quebec City for some reason.

I'd forgotten about Lindsay's win over Hantuchova though - Hantuchova of course going on to become one of the standout players of that autumn.

duhcity
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:50 AM
Jelena Jankovic 2006 US Open

:sobbing:

Sp!ffy
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:55 AM
This. They talk about it like she was in some kind of ominous, scary form. Her shoulder held up and took her chances, but it wasnt an awe inspiring run, besides her match vs Henin, which was very well played.

Wtf? Can you produce a tad bit of logic behind your post please? This thread asked what was the most dominant GS win this decade...obviously there will be people here praising Maria's AO 2008 performance. Oh yeah and Henin was SO out of it mentally because she had what was it, like a 32 match winning streak? :rolleyes: Fuck if Sharapova would have beat everyone in that tournament 6-0 you would still belittle her performance. And no one is saying this is the best performance of all time, we are just saying it was the best performance of this decade. The only other one that comes close to being better is Serena's 02 run so if there's a match that needs to be praised, it's Maria's or Serena's :rolleyes:

le bon vivant
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:56 AM
Wtf? Can you produce a tad bit of logic behind your post please? This thread asked what was the most dominant GS win this decade...obviously there will be people here praising Maria's AO 2008 performance. Oh yeah and Henin was SO out of it mentally because she had what was it, like a 32 match winning streak? :rolleyes: Fuck if Sharapova would have beat everyone in that tournament 6-0 you would still belittle her performance. And no one is saying this is the best performance of all time, we are just saying it was the best performance of this decade. The only other one that comes close to being better is Serena's 02 run so if there's a match that needs to be praised, it's Maria's or Serena's :rolleyes:http://i32.tinypic.com/59twl1.gif
I love when the Maria fans get mad. :lol:

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:05 AM
Serena Williams 2007 Aussie Open? :unsure:

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:16 AM
Serena Williams 2007 Aussie Open? :unsure:

:spit: Petrova, Peer and Anne Kremer say otherwise.

(and no, I haven't taken my meds, before you try and trot out that lame "joke" for literally the 120th time within a week.)

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:17 AM
Justine's RG 2006 and 2007 was just downright scary at times, but those could be penned to her only facing Clijsters, Kuznetsova, Serena, Jankovic, and Ivanovic in those two tournaments who you could say weren't slumping. ALG, near retirement Myskina, Ani, Paszek just don't do it for me, ya know?

Serena Slam slams were scary too bar 2003 Aussie 1R and SF and F, 2002 Wim 3R against Els Callens.

Masha's 2008 AO was also really dominant.

Honestly, I couldn't pick a singular dominant slam.

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:20 AM
No, I haven't taken my meds.
Well there you have it folks.....All this......
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/rudeboy77/Gifs/fmnz0x.gif

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:20 AM
:spit: Petrova, Peer and Anne Kremer say otherwise.

(and no, I haven't taken my meds, before you try and trot out that lame "joke" for literally the 120th time within a week.)

i'm not joking. :unsure: i really believe that you are sick in the head. your obsession is not normal.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:27 AM
i'm not joking. :unsure: i really believe that you are sick in the head. your obsession is not normal.

Says the person who's convinced themselves every Sharapova fan is a hideous racist? :lol: That's perfectly sane and rational, obviously.

delicatecutter
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:28 AM
The Sharapova fans are the worst. :sobbing:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:35 AM
the one that immediately comes to mind is Maria 2008 Aussie Open.
I'm probably wrong though

Andy.
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:38 AM
Some Serena fans are as arrogant as Serena herself. Sometimes I feel like its Serena herself posting. The apple doesnt falls too far from the tree in some cases. The GIFs with those trashy "Housewives of where ever" are so :rolleyes:

Serena's 2002 USO and Maria's AO 2008 were both super impressive. It would be hard to split which run was more dominant.

Pops Maellard
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:42 AM
The Sharapova fans are the worst. :sobbing:
Except me. :lol:

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:43 AM
Says the person who's convinced themselves every Sharapova fan is a hideous racist? :lol: That's perfectly sane and rational, obviously.

:spit: :hysteric: every? no dear, you must be mistaking me for one of those friends in your head.

Gdsimmons
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:45 AM
Dear goodness Sharapova fans are so defensive......
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad198/sober_gifs/24b6zk4_thjpg.gif

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:47 AM
Except me. :lol:

and pokey camp....and slamchamp :hearts:

Craig.
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:48 AM
and pokey camp....and slampchamp :hearts:

Um, hello? :weirdo:

Roookie
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:51 AM
Sharapova 2008...that was scary :bolt:

Lachy
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:54 AM
Collective nouns :rolleyes:

Serenita
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:03 AM
Some Serena fans are as arrogant as Serena herself. Sometimes I feel like its Serena herself posting. The apple doesnt falls too far from the tree in some cases. The GIFs with those trashy "Housewives of where ever" are so :rolleyes:

Serena's 2002 USO and Maria's AO 2008 were both super impressive. It would be hard to split which run was more dominant.


http://i47.tinypic.com/20jqvsg.jpg

Sp!ffy
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:25 AM
I love how the Serena fans post with gifs to compensate for their intelligence. Serena fans would probably put Serena's 2010 Australian Open win as better than Sharapova's 08 run. :rolleyes:

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:30 AM
I love how the Serena fans post with gifs to compensate for their intelligence. Serena fans would probably put Serena's 2010 Australian Open win as better than Sharapova's 08 run. :rolleyes:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/rudeboy77/Gifs/120899297-7c4bc013205bcbe9d31ef7e4c.gif

Pops Maellard
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:37 AM
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/rudeboy77/Gifs/120899297-7c4bc013205bcbe9d31ef7e4c.gif
http://i41.tinypic.com/2niqvpf.jpg

Gdsimmons
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:38 AM
I love how the Serena fans post with gifs to compensate for their intelligence. Serena fans would probably put Serena's 2010 Australian Open win as better than Sharapova's 08 run. :rolleyes:

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae17/mackgreene/slushie.gif

Serenita
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:40 AM
I love how the Serena fans post with gifs to compensate for their intelligence. Serena fans would probably put Serena's 2010 Australian Open win as better than Sharapova's 08 run. :rolleyes:


http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/ZuZu-Brandy/71oxo5f.gif

shoryuken
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:56 AM
OMG those 3 gifs in a row :haha::haha::haha:

tennisbum79
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:12 AM
The naughties?

Serena Williams 2002 USO by far was the most dominant Grandslam Win.

She was just toying with her opponents during all of her matches. Especially during the SF match, she was barely letting Lindsay do anything out there.

Lindsay said during this years Wimbledon that when Serena is playing like that, players could only hope to win a couple of games at most.

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Honorable mention - Venus Williams 2001 US Open.

She wasnt even stretched to a 7-5 set in any of her matches.
The first few minutes it looks it was Hingis in the far court.
So ovewhemed by the power and speed of Serena, the other seems so out of it.

Serena was serving so well back then already, and she has to wait all this time to be call the best server in the WTA?

tennisbum79
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:14 AM
I love how the Serena fans post with gifs to compensate for their intelligence. Serena fans would probably put Serena's 2010 Australian Open win as better than Sharapova's 08 run. :rolleyes:
I think you have an inlfated opinion of yourself if you think you are smarter than Serena fans.

Loungy
Jul 16th, 2010, 06:01 AM
Toss up between Serena USO '02 and Maria AO '08. I think Maria's run stands out more in memory because it was more recent and because it looked like her form came out of nowhere. (I was surprised, anyway. I couldn't tell it was coming just from the 2007 YEC final.)

claypova
Jul 16th, 2010, 06:45 AM
Sharapova 2008

bandabou
Jul 16th, 2010, 06:50 AM
Serena ' 02.. she wasn't even trying. really go watch it back. Man, that was just scary good!

She was like when Vegetto fought Majin Buu. Vegetto was just toying with Buu..

eck
Jul 16th, 2010, 07:04 AM
Because I'm biased: JH 07, 06 RG, 07 US Open.

But if I have to admit, I'd include Maria 08

SoClose
Jul 16th, 2010, 07:31 AM
Venus US01 and SerenaUS02

madmax
Jul 16th, 2010, 07:34 AM
it may only be me, but 17 years old Maria's run at 04 Wimby was a tad bit more impressive than her 08 Aussie destruction...she was already an established superstar back in 08, in 04 she was just up-and-coming young blonde, finding her steps on a big stage.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jul 16th, 2010, 09:47 AM
Serena ' 02.. she wasn't even trying. really go watch it back. Man, that was just scary good!

She was like when Vegetto fought Majin Buu. Vegetto was just toying with Buu..

THIS! Her level in all the grandslams that year was just superb :worship:

Steffica Greles
Jul 16th, 2010, 09:50 AM
Sharapova's 2008 Australian Open win springs to mind. She was playing some of the most destructive tennis I've ever seen in that tournament, and her body suffered for it for the next 18 months.

2002 US Open - Serena probably at her height.

Julian.
Jul 16th, 2010, 09:54 AM
Maria Sharapova Australian Open 2008 :hearts:

JamieOwen3
Jul 16th, 2010, 09:54 AM
Yep and like 1 winner in the first entire set or something (even though she was playing quite well!), she wasnt allowed to do much.

it's worse than that lindsay had NO winners in the first set. i would put 2002 serena US Open win and Maria 2008 AO win with each other especially after Maria bageled dementieva and justine and should have bageled jankovic she was 5-0 up and had 3 set points in the first set of the SF. 2002 Serena was GOAT ever IMO though.

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Julian.
Jul 16th, 2010, 09:57 AM
and pokey camp....and slamchamp :hearts:

:rolleyes:

Pops Maellard
Jul 16th, 2010, 10:05 AM
it's worse than that lindsay had NO winners in the first set. i would put 2002 serena US Open win and Maria 2008 AO win with each other especially after Maria bageled dementieva and justine and should have bageled jankovic she was 5-0 up and had 3 set points in the first set of the SF. 2002 Serena was GOAT ever IMO though.

Uk4fyCCFXRY
http://i42.tinypic.com/28jva8l.jpg

Vaidisova Ruled
Jul 16th, 2010, 10:09 AM
it's worse than that lindsay had NO winners in the first set. i would put 2002 serena US Open win and Maria 2008 AO win with each other especially after Maria bageled dementieva and justine and should have bageled jankovic she was 5-0 up and had 3 set points in the first set of the SF. 2002 Serena was GOAT ever IMO though.

Uk4fyCCFXRY
Maria's game changed so much :bigcry:

JamieOwen3
Jul 16th, 2010, 10:14 AM
http://i42.tinypic.com/28jva8l.jpg


lol i like jelena i even have highlights of their 2007 birmingham match which she won but she did not beat herself in the 2008 AO.Maria had just defeated justine 6-4 6-0 in the QF and was on fire at that AO.

Oermi
Jul 16th, 2010, 10:16 AM
Masha Aussie Open 08

No sets lost, Bagel Lena V, Bagel Lena D, Bagel JuJu!!

:drool:

i like :cheer:

Acinolbaj
Jul 16th, 2010, 10:19 AM
Masha, Australian Open 2008

narutos
Jul 16th, 2010, 11:16 AM
There was a Sharapova Serena fight and I wasn't even invited:lol:
Back to the topic I think Sharapova was pretty scary in 2008 and seriously noone was expecting her to play such a high level she bagelled so many players it was really outstanding I have to pick her and not because I'm a fan.

The 2nd Law
Jul 16th, 2010, 11:19 AM
The Ana fan in me wants to pick Maria in 08, because Ana's scoreline against her in that final was from memory the closest anyone got to her (correct if I'm wrong), but that was my fave tourney ever, so I'm still inclined to choose it. Bias wins here for me.

bandabou
Jul 16th, 2010, 11:26 AM
THIS! Her level in all the grandslams that year was just superb :worship:

Best Serena ever...current Serena's good too, but totally different.

Sharapowerr
Jul 16th, 2010, 11:44 AM
Sharapova 2008AO

Miss Atomic Bomb
Jul 16th, 2010, 11:53 AM
Best Serena ever...current Serena's good too, but totally different.

Yep, god I miss those days! She used to go to their stronger side and still comeup on top :worship:

Just Do It
Jul 16th, 2010, 11:56 AM
Sharapova Australian Open 2008 BY FAR.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:04 PM
I love how the Serena fans post with gifs to compensate for their intelligence. Serena fans would probably put Serena's 2010 Australian Open win as better than Sharapova's 08 run. :rolleyes:

I particularly enjoy how you use eye rolling gifs (in this very post, in fact!), then attack Serena fans for using gifs. Should Serena fans limit their creativity to smiley faces in order to aspire to your level of intellect?

narutos
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:13 PM
Where is the poll I'm pretty sure Maria would lead.

Dave.
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:15 PM
Beating Davenport in that SF match was only a huge win if you similarly consider Dulko's win over Maria at Wimbledon last year an equally huge win.

Maria's win over Davenport at the AO was arguably a bigger achievement than Serena's win over her at the USO02, considering Davenport had won 3 of her last 4 events when she played Maria. And obviously 08Justine is a much better win than 02Venus, and let's not get started on whoever else Serena beat at the USO compared to Ivanovic and Jankovic. :lol:

Really, it's not close at all to anyone who isn't biased. Serena at Wimbledon 02 would be a better example, although it still doesn't cut it.

LMAO no it wasn't. No doubt Lindsay was not at her best in either period, but she was still miles better in 2002 than in 2008 (retired). You don't even have to look past her previous matches in the same tournament. Cruising to the semis >>>> struggling against Errani in 1R.




Anyway, there's a difference between these two runs in that Serena was already the established dominant player, in the height of her "aura" that she had then. Maria was on a mini comeback/return to form. Not sure what that means but going by the level of play and aura of invincibility she had, I'll say Serena's 02 USO.

And the question is most dominant, so level of opposition is irrelevant. :shrug:

narutos
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:24 PM
LMAO no it wasn't. No doubt Lindsay was not at her best in either period, but she was still miles better in 2002 than in 2008 (retired). You don't even have to look past her previous matches in the same tournament. Cruising to the semis >>>> struggling against Errani in 1R.




Anyway, there's a difference between these two runs in that Serena was already the established dominant player, in the height of her "aura" that she had then. Maria was on a mini comeback/return to form. Not sure what that means but going by the level of play and aura of invincibility she had, I'll say Serena's 02 USO.

And the question is most dominant, so level of opposition is irrelevant. :shrug:

Right because her aura of invincibility is relevant :rolleyes:

doujyr
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:28 PM
i thought pova's win over serena in 04 was pretty dominating, though she only beat davenport on the way to the final.

Dodoboy.
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:29 PM
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/rudeboy77/Gifs/120899297-7c4bc013205bcbe9d31ef7e4c.gif

:haha:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

bandabou
Jul 16th, 2010, 12:30 PM
Let's just put this way: The only question about the ' 02 u.s. open was: How many games was Serena gonna lose total?

THAT's dominating!

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:41 PM
Sharapova's 2008 Australian Open win springs to mind. She was playing some of the most destructive tennis I've ever seen in that tournament, and her body suffered for it for the next 18 months.

This. What was scary about Maria's form wasn't just the flashy winners she was hitting, it was the fact she simply wasn't missing. In her 4R and QF matches, I'm pretty sure she had less than 10 unforced errors, and well in excess of 20 winners. Serena can only dream of having such consistently strong W-UE ratios over a whole Slam. Like Virginia Wade, Sam Smith and Sue Barker all agreed just after the final had been played, it was the most immaculate Grand Slam from anyone since Graf.

But you're also right that her body suffered due to it. Like I said in a thread the other day, one of the reasons her tennis was so good was because she was absolutely ripping her forehand, with a follow-through that was even more exaggerated than usual - which, to me, looks like the main source of her shoulder injury. I think she actually said she first noticed it was hurting towards the end of the AO - not surprising.


LMAO no it wasn't. No doubt Lindsay was not at her best in either period, but she was still miles better in 2002 than in 2008 (retired). You don't even have to look past her previous matches in the same tournament. Cruising to the semis >>>> struggling against Errani in 1R.

I did say "arguably". Davenport's form before meeting Maria was 3 wins in 4 tournaments, while before she met Serena, it was about 3 SFs. As me and Donny established, there wasn't much difference in the calibre of players she faced in either run either. People keep saying she could barely move against Maria, but look at the highlights of her match against Serena - she was like a statue there too, although in fairness she did start hitting great winners in that second set and had the supposedly all-time best Serena completely on her heels - but, unfortunately for Davenport, Maria played at such a high level at the AO08 that she didn't let her hit those winners. So, in terms of whether beating Davenport at the USO02 or AO08 was more impressive, it's a tie at best. And then when you add in her wins over Henin, Jankovic and Ivanovic, it's really not remotely close.

Serena's win at Wimbledon that year is a better example - crushing an in-form Mauresmo and Hantuchova is far more impressive than struggling past Davenport making a comeback. Although, by any objective measure, that still doesn't trump Maria's win, nor probably Justine at the USO07.

narutos
Jul 16th, 2010, 01:53 PM
I agree with you except I'm pretty sure Maria injured badly her shoulder at IW. After OZ she was still in good shape she won Doha playing an amazing tennis too.
Anyway many people agree that Sharapova was more impressive only Serena fans are stubborn.

homogenius
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:04 PM
Venus USO01 deserves a mention too.Won it without losing a set, no one was able to win more than 4 games in a set and she beat Capriati, Clijsters and Serena in her last 3 matches.

AcesHigh
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:10 PM
I was going to say Serena 2002.. and then I looked at her opponents... other than Venus, not really any challengers :shrug:

So for me, it's Venus 2001 or Sharapova 2008

Although if we're going by just form (which I get the impression we're not), Serena at USO 2002 was peakRena and better than anyone that decade.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:13 PM
I was going to say Serena 2002.. and then I looked at her opponents... other than Venus, not really any challengers :shrug:

But "thrashing" Davenport by the comprehensive scoreline of 6-3 7-5 when she was 4 weeks into a comeback clearly shows Serena's the GOAT!!!!1111

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:15 PM
Btw, I would definitely say Serena's wins at the AO in 03 and 05 and maybe also the USO08 are more impressive than any of her wins in 2002 as she faced a higher calibre of opponent, although I guess they're not more dominant per se.

Break My Rapture
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:21 PM
Australian Open 2008.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:22 PM
But "thrashing" Davenport by the comprehensive scoreline of 6-3 7-5 when she was 4 weeks into a comeback clearly shows Serena's the GOAT!!!!1111

No, clearly playing two close sets against Ivanovic in a GS final makes you the true GOAT.

Serena lost fewer games in that tournament than any woman in a GS this decade. Is that not domination? Even if Serena had faced all scrubs along the way, it's still more dominant.

serenafan08
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:26 PM
Good lord, yet another Serena vs. Maria debate. Look, besides winning the AO in 08, Maria didn't really do much outside of that. She won Amelia Island, but that was pretty much it. Serena was on a 21 Grand Slam match winning streak, plus she won both Wimbledon AND the US Open without dropping a set. Maria has yet to win back-to-back Slams. Given the context, I would say Serena. She was dominant over a period, whereas Maria was just dominant for two weeks, and we haven't seen anything close since.

You have to give Venus a mention too, though. She was unbeatable the second half of 2001. Beating Capriati, Serena and Clijsters was no easy feat. She was on top of her game at that point in her career. Yet again it's the context. She had just won Wimbledon and won a couple of other tournaments that summer. Since I'm talking context you would have to throw Justine's Roland Garros runs in there, even her run to the US Open in '07. She truly was dominant, and to beat both Serena and Venus without losing a set is no easy feat (she's the only player to straight-set both sisters and win the same tournament that I can think of). Plus Justine won 10 of the 14 events she entered that year. Truly dominant. Maria has yet to have any type of dominant period outside of a Grand Slam.

madmax
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:26 PM
No, clearly playing two close sets against Ivanovic in a GS final makes you the true GOAT.

Serena lost fewer games in that tournament than any woman in a GS this decade. Is that not domination? Even if Serena had faced all scrubs along the way, it's still more dominant.

Ivanovic was pretty good back then, you know...she won a slam 5 months later and was in a form of her life at that moment.

Break My Rapture
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:27 PM
Good lord, yet another Serena vs. Maria debate. Look, besides winning the AO in 08, Maria didn't really do much outside of that. She won Amelia Island, but that was pretty much it. Serena was on a 21 Grand Slam match winning streak, plus she won both Wimbledon AND the US Open without dropping a set. Maria has yet to win back-to-back Slams. Given the context, I would say Serena. She was dominant over a period, whereas Maria was just dominant for two weeks, and we haven't seen anything close since.

You have to give Venus a mention too, though. She was unbeatable the second half of 2001. Beating Capriati, Serena and Clijsters was no easy feat. She was on top of her game at that point in her career. Yet again it's the context. She had just won Wimbledon and won a couple of other tournaments that summer. Since I'm talking context you would have to throw Justine's Roland Garros runs in there, even her run to the US Open in '07. She truly was dominant, and to beat both Serena and Venus without losing a set is no easy feat (she's the only player to straight-set both sisters and win the same tournament that I can think of). Plus Justine won 10 of the 14 events she entered that year. Truly dominant. Maria has yet to have any type of dominant period outside of a Grand Slam.
It's about winning a slam in a dominant way, not about the entire careers or parts of it. :weirdo:

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:30 PM
I was going to say Serena 2002.. and then I looked at her opponents... other than Venus, not really any challengers :shrug:

So for me, it's Venus 2001

Venus played two three settersthat tournament. How is that domination?

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:32 PM
No, clearly playing two close sets against Ivanovic in a GS final makes you the true GOAT.

Agreed, beating the world #2 who was on a streak of making 3 Slam finals within a year in straight sets is very impressive.

Serena lost fewer games in that tournament than any woman in a GS this decade. Is that not domination? Even if Serena had faced all scrubs along the way, it's still more dominant.

Not when you take into account the quality of opposition.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:37 PM
Good lord, yet another Serena vs. Maria debate. Look, besides winning the AO in 08, Maria didn't really do much outside of that. She won Amelia Island, but that was pretty much it. Serena was on a 21 Grand Slam match winning streak, plus she won both Wimbledon AND the US Open without dropping a set. Maria has yet to win back-to-back Slams. Given the context, I would say Serena. She was dominant over a period, whereas Maria was just dominant for two weeks, and we haven't seen anything close since.

You have to give Venus a mention too, though. She was unbeatable the second half of 2001. Beating Capriati, Serena and Clijsters was no easy feat. She was on top of her game at that point in her career. Yet again it's the context. She had just won Wimbledon and won a couple of other tournaments that summer. Since I'm talking context you would have to throw Justine's Roland Garros runs in there, even her run to the US Open in '07. She truly was dominant, and to beat both Serena and Venus without losing a set is no easy feat (she's the only player to straight-set both sisters and win the same tournament that I can think of). Plus Justine won 10 of the 14 events she entered that year. Truly dominant. Maria has yet to have any type of dominant period outside of a Grand Slam.


I haven't seen anyone claiming Maria's 2008 as a whole was better than Serena's 2002 season: of course it wasn't. What we are saying is that Maria's play at the AO08 is hands down superior to Serena's play over a whole Slam ever. Just compare the W-UEs ratios - Maria's are far superior. "Context" is completely irrelevant when we're talking about each individual Slam as exclusive entities.

toxina90
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:37 PM
??

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7vga4_2007-wimbledon-venus-williams-vs-ak_sport

Oh Akiko...should have won that one, I remember watching :sad:

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:39 PM
Serena may be the best player of the decade, but I'll take Maria's AO 2008 over any of Serena's slams, thank you very much :wavey:

Dodoboy.
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:39 PM
Caroline Wozniacki US OPEN 2010 :inlove:

serenafan08
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:42 PM
It's about winning a slam in a dominant way, not about the entire careers or parts of it. :weirdo:
:lol: So it's about being a supernova then? Bursting onto the scene and then disappearing just as fast? That pretty much sums up 2008 for Maria. Had two great weeks, then faded into the background.

Venus played two three settersthat tournament. How is that domination?
Really? Against who? Gosh that was 10 years ago; I barely remember that tournament. I just remember the prime time final and the stare-down with Capriati in the semis. :hearts: :lol:

The Witch-king
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:43 PM
Serena may be the best player of the decade, but I'll take Maria's AO 2008 over any of Serena's slams, thank you very much :wavey:

I'm sure Serena is losing sleep over that.

darkchild
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:44 PM
The naughties?

Serena Williams 2002 USO by far was the most dominant Grandslam Win.

She was just toying with her opponents during all of her matches. Especially during the SF match, she was barely letting Lindsay do anything out there.

Lindsay said during this years Wimbledon that when Serena is playing like that, players could only hope to win a couple of games at most.



5th tournament back, 0 winner in the first set and it still went to 6-3. :hearts:
:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

serenafan08
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:45 PM
I haven't seen anyone claiming Maria's 2008 as a whole was better than Serena's 2002 season: of course it wasn't. What we are saying is that Maria's play at the AO08 is hands down superior to Serena's play over a whole Slam ever. Just compare the W-UEs ratios - Maria's are far superior. "Context" is completely irrelevant when we're talking about each individual Slam as exclusive entities.

Okay...let's do some digging and see what we get. You can sit there and say that Maria had a better winner/UE ratio. But talk is cheap. I'm gonna see if I can find their match stats for both those tournaments. And if you're right, I'll give it to you. This might take a while. :lol:

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:45 PM
I'm sure Serena is losing sleep over that.

I was trying to be nice here :D :p

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:45 PM
I'm sure Serena is losing sleep over that.

Well, I don't know about Serena herself, but clearly her fans ARE losing sleep over it, on the evidence of the amusing/disturbing shitfits they're throwing in this thread.

Break My Rapture
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:47 PM
:lol: So it's about being a supernova then? Bursting onto the scene and then disappearing just as fast? That pretty much sums up 2008 for Maria. Had two great weeks, then faded into the background.
Do you read where you post? :rolleyes: Most Dominant Grandslam Win This Decade? is the thread title. Yes it is only about the domination by a certain players of a certain Grand Slam tournament.

I don't really call winning Doha fading into the background. She reached the SF in IW, but she injured her shoulder there. THAT's why her season went downhill from RG and onwards.
Anyway, this thread has nothing to do with a whole season, it's just about the domination of slam.

Le Chat
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:47 PM
Well, I don't know about Serena herself, but clearly her fans ARE losing sleep over it, on the evidence of the amusing/disturbing shitfits they're throwing in this thread.

Yet its a Sharapova fan who has created the thread ..lol

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:54 PM
Yet, Serena fans couldn't ignore it? ;)

serenafan08
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:56 PM
Do you read where you post? :rolleyes: Most Dominant Grandslam Win This Decade? is the thread title. Yes it is only about the domination by a certain players of a certain Grand Slam tournament.

I don't really call winning Doha fading into the background. She reached the SF in IW, but she injured her shoulder there. THAT's why her season went downhill from RG and onwards.
Anyway, this thread has nothing to do with a whole season, it's just about the domination of slam.

:lol: Dude, chill. I know where I'm posting and the argument I'm making. My point is when a player makes a dominant run at a Slam it's because they are in a dominant stretch. I think Serena's '02 US Open and Justine's 07 Roland Garros titles are more dominant than Maria's 08 AO title. There I said it. Maria played terrific. I still think Serena and Justine's runs were better.

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 02:59 PM
But AO is the first event of the year for Maria, so she couldn't have been in the middle of a streak of any kind :shrug: You don't make any serious run before AO like you do with FO and USO :shrug: In fact, I think it's more difficult to put such a commanding performance from the scrap based just on the off-season preparations rather then a lenghty winning run in some WTA events.

madmax
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:00 PM
:lol: Dude, chill. I know where I'm posting and the argument I'm making. My point is when a player makes a dominant run at a Slam it's because they are in a dominant stretch. I think Serena's '02 US Open and Justine's 07 Roland Garros titles are more dominant than Maria's 08 AO title. There I said it. Maria played terrific. I still think Serena and Justine's runs were better.

well, we Maria fans are as chilly as cucumber:lol:What we find hilaruous is inability of some Serena fans to comprehend a thread title...we are talking about SLAM run, not a run of 3 or 6 months period.

Le Chat
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:00 PM
Yet, Serena fans couldn't ignore it? ;)

Why ..? wasnt the thread created for discussion , i am just wonderieng ..

Break My Rapture
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:00 PM
:lol: Dude, chill. I know where I'm posting and the argument I'm making. My point is when a player makes a dominant run at a Slam it's because they are in a dominant stretch. I think Serena's '02 US Open and Justine's 07 Roland Garros titles are more dominant than Maria's 08 AO title. There I said it. Maria played terrific. I still think Serena and Justine's runs were better.
Fine. That's your opinion. And I have nothing against it. :shrug:

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:01 PM
Agreed, beating the world #2 who was on a streak of making 3 Slam finals within a year in straight sets is very impressive.



Not when you take into account the quality of opposition.

Main Entry: 1dom·i·nant
Pronunciation: \-nənt\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin dominant-, dominans, present participle of dominari
Date: circa 1532

1 a : commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others


Where does this definition mention anything about quality of those who you are dominating?

This is a silly argument anyway. If not for Serena beating Venus at RG and WImbledon, Venus would have been number one and most likely have had two slams to her name. She was more impressive an opponent than anyone Maria faced that fortnight.

Le Chat
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:03 PM
well, we Maria fans are as chilly as cucumber:lol:What we find hilaruous is inability of some Serena fans to comprehend a thread title...we are talking about SLAM run, not a run of 3 or 6 months period.

And MOST of them answered that serena's USO was the most impressive , i dont see the problem :shrug:

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:03 PM
Why ..? wasnt the thread created for discussion , i am just wonderieng ..

So what did your early pun really mean? :shrug:

Le Chat
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:06 PM
So what did your early pun really mean? :shrug:


Maybe you should follow the discussion , you would understand ..:shrug:

serenafan08
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:07 PM
Fine. That's your opinion. And I have nothing against it. :shrug:

:lol: I have nothing against yours either. I just hate that we always get into these debates. Can't we just say that these players are all great and leave it at that? And all of them seem to have great tennis ahead of them, so there will be more room for discussion. Maria is a serious threat for the USO I think. All she needs is more matches against the top 10 to get her ready.

Gdsimmons
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:08 PM
You can't qualify the results because of who she played. 2002 US was just scary. Serena came out on the court and just killed all the competition. Her serve, her shots EVERYTHING was just on point. It was just scary and dominant. Now AO 08 was good. It was really good actually. I just dont think it was AS dominant as US 02 was.

Break My Rapture
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:09 PM
:lol: I have nothing against yours either. I just hate that we always get into these debates. Can't we just say that these players are all great and leave it at that? And all of them seem to have great tennis ahead of them, so there will be more room for discussion. Maria is a serious threat for the USO I think. All she needs is more matches against the top 10 to get her ready.
Yup, I agree. ;)

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:15 PM
There is no singular most dominant. Serena and Maria put in two of the best grand slam performances, with Justine's Roland Garros behind them. Venus' 2000 and 2001 Wimbledon titles are nothing short of impressive as well:

In those two title runs she beat in the top 10: Hingis, Davenport x2, Serena, Henin, and Tauziat losing only one set in to Hingis and one set to Davenport. She beat future top 10 players Sugiyama, Hantuchova, Petrova in straights (giving Petrova a bagel). And she looked positively regal while doing so.

It's not about sets and games won. It's about how invincible you look, and even after losing a set to Hingis and Davenport, I remember not having a doubt that Venus would win.

Numbers on Justine's 2006-2007 RG run:

Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Kim Clijsters, Anastasia Myksina (2006); Serena Williams, Ana Ivanovic, Jelena Jankovic (2007)
Other notable opponents: Anna-Lena Groenefeld (best Slam result)
Average games dropped: 5.5 (2006); 5.4 (2007)
Average ranking of players faced: 33.8 (2006); 30.4 (2007)

Numbers on Maria's 2008 AO run:
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Jelena Jankovic, Ana Ivanovic, Justine Henin
Other notable opponents: Elena Dementieva, Lindsay Davenport
Average games dropped: 4.6
Average ranking of players faced: 32.4

Numbers on Lindsay Davenport's AO 2000 run (I consider this a part of the 2000-2009 decade):
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Martina Hingis
Other notable opponents: Anna Kournikova, Sarah Pitowski, Julie Halard-Decugis, Jennifer Capriati
Average games dropped: 5.4
Average ranking of players faced: 47.8

Numbers on Serena's 2002 USO run:
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Lindsay Davenport, Venus Williams
Other notable opponents: Dinara Safina, Daniela Hantuchova
Average games dropped: 4.1
Average ranking of players faced (sans Morariu): 27.3

Based on this, I would have to say Serena's was the most dominant as her opponents were on average higher ranked than Maria's or Justine's, though all 4 slams were equally impressive.

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:16 PM
Maybe you should follow the discussion , you would understand ..:shrug:

Well, if Serena fans are trying to turn every possible statistic/record/opinion into a "Serena above everybody else" thing then I do understand, no problem :)

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:20 PM
There is no singular most dominant. Serena and Maria put in two of the best grand slam performances, with Justine's Roland Garros behind them. Venus' 2000 and 2001 Wimbledon titles are nothing short of impressive as well:

In those two title runs she beat in the top 10: Hingis, Davenport x2, Serena, Henin, and Tauziat losing only one set in to Hingis and one set to Davenport. She beat future top 10 players Sugiyama, Hantuchova, Petrova in straights (giving Petrova a bagel). And she looked positively regal while doing so.

It's not about sets and games won. It's about how invincible you look, and even after losing a set to Hingis and Davenport, I remember not having a doubt that Venus would win.

Numbers on Justine's 2006-2007 RG run:

Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Kim Clijsters, Anastasia Myksina (2006); Serena Williams, Ana Ivanovic, Jelena Jankovic (2007)
Other notable opponents: Anna-Lena Groenefeld (best Slam result)
Average games dropped: 5.5 (2006); 5.4 (2007)
Average ranking of players faced: 33.8 (2006); 30.4 (2007)

Numbers on Maria's 2008 AO run:
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Jelena Jankovic, Ana Ivanovic, Justine Henin
Other notable opponents: Elena Dementieva, Lindsay Davenport
Average games dropped: 4.6
Average ranking of players faced: 32.4

Numbers on Serena's 2002 USO run:
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Lindsay Davenport, Venus Williams
Other notable opponents: Dinara Safina, Daniela Hantuchova
Average games dropped: 4.1
Average ranking of players faced (sans Morariu): 27.3

Based on this, I would have to say Serena's was the most dominant as her opponents were on average higher ranked than Maria's or Justine's, though all 4 slams were equally impressive.

Safina in 2002 was hardly a notable opponent, and why did you exclude Morariu if you didn't exclude Kostanic Tosic for Maria's AO 2008 :shrug: Yup, Serena is surely always going to be #1 no matter what :lol: Sharapova doesn't deserve to be ranked above Serena in one single category :bounce:

Gdsimmons
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:24 PM
There is no singular most dominant. Serena and Maria put in two of the best grand slam performances, with Justine's Roland Garros behind them. Venus' 2000 and 2001 Wimbledon titles are nothing short of impressive as well:

In those two title runs she beat in the top 10: Hingis, Davenport x2, Serena, Henin, and Tauziat losing only one set in to Hingis and one set to Davenport. She beat future top 10 players Sugiyama, Hantuchova, Petrova in straights (giving Petrova a bagel). And she looked positively regal while doing so.

It's not about sets and games won. It's about how invincible you look, and even after losing a set to Hingis and Davenport, I remember not having a doubt that Venus would win.

Numbers on Justine's 2006-2007 RG run:

Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Kim Clijsters, Anastasia Myksina (2006); Serena Williams, Ana Ivanovic, Jelena Jankovic (2007)
Other notable opponents: Anna-Lena Groenefeld (best Slam result)
Average games dropped: 5.5 (2006); 5.4 (2007)
Average ranking of players faced: 33.8 (2006); 30.4 (2007)

Numbers on Maria's 2008 AO run:
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Jelena Jankovic, Ana Ivanovic, Justine Henin
Other notable opponents: Elena Dementieva, Lindsay Davenport
Average games dropped: 4.6
Average ranking of players faced: 32.4

Numbers on Serena's 2002 USO run:
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Lindsay Davenport, Venus Williams
Other notable opponents: Dinara Safina, Daniela Hantuchova
Average games dropped: 4.1
Average ranking of players faced (sans Morariu): 27.3

Based on this, I would have to say Serena's was the most dominant as her opponents were on average higher ranked than Maria's or Justine's, though all 4 slams were equally impressive.

Pretty good analysis.

Safina in 2002 was hardly a notable opponent, and why did you exclude Morariu if you didn't exclude Kostanic Tosic for Maria's AO 2008 :shrug: Yup, Serena is surely always going to be #1 no matter what :lol: Sharapova doesn't deserve to be ranked above Serena in one single category :bounce:

Why are you so defensive?? Nobody said Sharapova sucked or anything

debopero
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:25 PM
Serena nearly lost a set to a Davenport just making a comeback from knee surgery, while Maria destroyed someone on a 32-match winning streak. :shrug:

Sharapova nearly lost the set to Ivanovic.

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:26 PM
Safina in 2002 was hardly a notable opponent, and why did you exclude Morariu if you didn't exclude Kostanic Tosic for Maria's AO 2008 :shrug: Yup, Serena is surely always going to be #1 no matter what :lol: Sharapova doesn't deserve to be ranked above Serena in one single category :bounce:

Morariu had no ranking going into this tournament.

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:27 PM
^^ and even if I included 9999...don't you think the stat would obviously be skewed. And I say notable opponent for Dinara Safina then because of what she would become.

n1_and_uh_noone
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:28 PM
Based on this, I would have to say Serena's was the most dominant as her opponents were on average higher ranked than Maria's or Justine's, though all 4 slams were equally impressive.

This is a better argument. I must say that while Sharpie looked awfully good against the opponents she did face, she caught a break in not having to play either Serena or Venus, after being routed in her last 2 Slam matches against them. Also, JJ the wounded animal and 'last year was the peak of my career' Justine could have done better against her (this is not to take away anything from her form there - you only play whoever shows up).

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:34 PM
Main Entry: 1dom·i·nant
Pronunciation: \-nənt\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin dominant-, dominans, present participle of dominari
Date: circa 1532

1 a : commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others


Where does this definition mention anything about quality of those who you are dominating?

This is a silly argument anyway. If not for Serena beating Venus at RG and WImbledon, Venus would have been number one and most likely have had two slams to her name. She was more impressive an opponent than anyone Maria faced that fortnight.

ROFL. Are you seriously trying to suggest Venus was in better form in mid-2002 than Justine was in late 2007?!??!!! :rofl:

While you've got the dictionary open, why don't you look up the definition of "clutching at straws"?

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:47 PM
The Sharapova fans are the worst. :sobbing:


http://media.photobucket.com/image/serena%20williams/JamieOwen3/serena-gif.gif?o=13

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:50 PM
Sharapova scored impressive results against the field at the Australian Open..
1.She didn't loose a set
2.She lost just 32 Games
3.She beat Henin,Dementieva,Vesnina with 6-0 set
Etc..for me Maria has the most dominant Slam win of this Decade!

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:52 PM
Why are you so defensive?? Nobody said Sharapova sucked or anything

I don't have moral right to put any of Sharapova's results/records/opinions about her above the Serena's benchmark. After all, I haven't read a single Serena fan admitting to even one tiniest of things which he/she thinks of as Sharapova being superior to Serena. Man's got to know his limitations.

le bon vivant
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:55 PM
I don't have moral right to put any of Sharapova's results/records/opinions about her above the Serena's benchmark. After all, I haven't read a single Serena fan admitting to even one tiniest of things which he/she thinks of as Sharapova being superior to Serena. Man's got to know his limitations.
She has superior product endorsements. :shrug:
But considering Maria's results over the past three years, her endorsements obviously have little to do with her actual tennis.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:57 PM
Sharapova scored impressive results against the field at the Australian Open..
1.She didn't loose a set
2.She lost just 32 Games
3.She beat Henin,Dementieva,Vesnina with 6-0 set
Etc..for me Maria has the most dominant Slam win of this Decade!

serena didn't lose a set either
serena lost less games
beat higher ranked players on average

:shrug:

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:59 PM
serena didn't lose a set either
serena lost less games
beat higher ranked players on average

:shrug:

Maria defeated more players in the top 10..Remember Ivanovic right after the Aussie Open became the new number 2 in the world!!And the fact that Maria had a terrible injury that she overcame at that time And with no warm-up tournaments going into Australia made her run much more impressive!!

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 03:59 PM
She has superior product endorsements.
But considering Maria's results over the past three years, her endorsements obviously have little to do with her actual tennis.

I remember Serena fans trying to deny even this, saying Serena had a higher profile than Maria worldwide, despite EVERYONE unbiased telling them Maria is a lot more famous outside of the States :spit:

Gdsimmons
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:01 PM
I remember Serena fans trying to deny even this, saying Serena had a higher profile than Maria worldwide, despite EVERYONE unbiased telling them Maria is a lot more famous outside of the States :spit:

Well Maria is more famous for one thing and its not her tennis

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:02 PM
ROFL. Are you seriously trying to suggest Venus was in better form in mid-2002 than Justine was in late 2007?!??!!! :rofl:

While you've got the dictionary open, why don't you look up the definition of "clutching at straws"?

Holy crap! There was an Australian Open played in late 2007? Because I was discussing the one played in early 2008 that Maria won. Silly me.

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:03 PM
I remember Serena fans trying to deny even this, saying Serena had a higher profile than Maria worldwide, despite EVERYONE unbiased telling them Maria is a lot more famous outside of the States :spit:
Having better endorsements does not mean more famous. :confused: I don't see how the two are related. You always have to go and make some grandiose statements that have no bearing on the point being made.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:06 PM
Holy crap! There was an Australian Open played in late 2007? Because I was discussing the one played in early 2008 that Maria won. Silly me.

Was Venus on a 32-match winning-streak when she met Serena at the USO02? Or, to adjust for your ridiculous hypothetical, had she won her last 32 matches against anyone not called Serena? I think not.


Having better endorsements does not mean more famous. I don't see how the two are related. You always have to go and make some grandiose statements that have no bearing on the point being made.

Regardless, it's just fact Maria has a higher profile than Serena outside of the States, and the fact Serena fans tried to deny it shows their bias.

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:06 PM
I also recall dominant when Maria Stormed through the US open tittle in 2006..Becoming only the 4th women to beat the nr 1 and 2 in the world back-to-back and she beat Mauresmo with two bagel sets..but still she lost one set so:S

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:07 PM
She has superior product endorsements. :shrug:
But considering Maria's results over the past three years, her endorsements obviously have little to do with her actual tennis.

I was thinking of strictly tennis things. Kournikova is still the undisputed longest mis-match between endorsement and actual result, but she sort of triggered the whole Russian WTA streamroll.

However, if bagelling Dementieva, Henin and Jankovic in one slam isn't enough to rate this above Williams' beating of "I almost won GS but my mind prevented me doing so" Safina, the sister's prime bitch Hantuchova (where would she be without those IW titles anyway? ) and even Venus (whom she knows like the back of her teeth) then I'm sure nothing would be good enough to put Sharapova over Serena in any case. I agree on Davenport as the single most impressive match for Serena that event, but in the overall picture, it's not enough for me.

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:08 PM
Was Venus on a 32-match winning-streak when she met Serena at the USO02? Or, to adjust for your ridiculous hypothetical, had she won her last 32 matches against anyone not called Serena? I think not.




Regardless, it's just fact Maria has a higher profile than Serena outside of the States, and the fact Serena fans tried to deny it shows their bias.
Since it is a fact, show me some proof.

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:11 PM
Since it is a fact, show me some proof.

Just the fact that Maria was declared as the most searched athlete on Yahoo for three years running explains it all don't you think!

madmax
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:12 PM
Since it is a fact, show me some proof.

did you happen to miss the fact that Maria is the best paid female athlete of all time?:lol:Yeah, I guessed so...

Gdsimmons
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:12 PM
I think just by the fact that we are bringing in ENDORSEMENTS in a thread about grand slams kinda proves something. Just sayin

gmak
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:12 PM
Masha's win in 2008 was :worship: for me
maybe i'm biased, but considering the players she beat and how she beat them, she's my choice

Serena in USOpen 2002 is a close second

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:13 PM
Was Venus on a 32-match winning-streak when she met Serena at the USO02? Or, to adjust for your ridiculous hypothetical, had she won her last 32 matches against anyone not called Serena? I think not.

If beating a Henin who was close to turning tail and retiring is the highlight of a slam win, something's wrong.

Regardless: Maria lost more games. Losing more games against competition, regardless of quality of opponents, is less dominant. Playing a 7-6 tiebreak against the GOAT may be impressive as hell, but it's not as dominant as a 6-4 win over a scrub.

at any rate: Serena lost more games from the semis on than Maria, yet still lost fewer games overall. Serena's competition in the earlier rounds was better than Maria's.

Why did Maria have a harder time against inferior competition?

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:14 PM
did you happen to miss the fact that Maria is the best paid female athlete of all time?:lol:Yeah, I guessed so...
Did you happen to miss the part where endorsements don't equal popularity.

madmax
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Did you happen to miss the part where endorsements don't equal popularity.

o rly? When those marketing fools sure picked a wrong person to advertise their products to main public...

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Since it is a fact, show me some proof.

Money talks my friend. Guess who's the highest paid female athlete in the world (according to Forbes and they're a safe bet when it comes to dealing with money world)? Everything else is pretty much irrelevant :)

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Did you happen to miss the part where endorsements don't equal popularity.

I said more high-profile, not more popular.

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:16 PM
[QUOTE=dsanders06;18164087]Was Venus on a 32-match winning-streak when she met Serena at the USO02? Or, to adjust for your ridiculous hypothetical, had she won her last 32 matches against anyone not called Serena? I think not.[quote]

If beating a Henin who was close to turning tail and retiring is the highlight of a slam win, something's wrong.

come on Justine was on fire at that time!she had such a strong winning streak and won 2 Slams in 2007 and also the WTA championships 2 months before she played Maria and actually beating Masha in the finals..After he loses in the Clay season and in Dubai Henin suggested that she would retire!!

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:17 PM
Just the fact that Maria was declared as the most searched athlete on Yahoo for three years running explains it all don't you think!

You know, not to demean the whole endorsement thing, but this is a thread about tennis results. I've posted some facts a while back about the TENNIS.

Endorsements don't come into play when talking about a dominant Grand Slam.

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:18 PM
Just the fact that Maria was declared as the most searched athlete on Yahoo for three years running explains it all don't you think!
Yahoo....who uses yahoo.......I will give you that this is more of an indication of popularity than endorsement money, but it could just mean that more people are trying to find out information about her. Also, it could mean that there are a lot of horny young men that want to chop wood to Maria. BTW is yahoo world wide, as in china etc.

Gdsimmons
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:19 PM
You know, not to demean the whole endorsement thing, but this is a thread about tennis results. I've posted some facts a while back about the TENNIS.

Endorsements don't come into play when talking about a dominant Grand Slam.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!! :worship::worship:

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:20 PM
You know, not to demean the whole endorsement thing, but this is a thread about tennis results. I've posted some facts a while back about the TENNIS.

Endorsements don't come into play when talking about a dominant Grand Slam.

:lol:

KBdoubleu
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:20 PM
Was Venus on a 32-match winning-streak when she met Serena at the USO02? Or, to adjust for your ridiculous hypothetical, had she won her last 32 matches against anyone not called Serena? I think not.


She won 31-2 (from the French on) going into that match with Serena, with both losses coming to Serena.

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:21 PM
I think just by the fact that we are bringing in ENDORSEMENTS in a thread about grand slams kinda proves something. Just sayin

The question was about Maria being more high-profile then Serena outside the States. It hardly has anything to do with pure tennis results in first place :shrug: Sometimes even the biggest champion of them all falls into shade of somebody else (it's like getting the Oscar for supporting role while the main actor gets left out).

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:26 PM
You know, not to demean the whole endorsement thing, but this is a thread about tennis results. I've posted some facts a while back about the TENNIS.

Endorsements don't come into play when talking about a dominant Grand Slam.
That is what happens when the facts don't match up to their perceptions, they more the goal post and change the topic.

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:27 PM
That is what happens when the facts don't match up to their perceptions, they more the goal post and change the topic.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense, when you consider that it was a Serena fan (Le Bon Vivant) that brought up the topic of endorsements.

And the consensus here IS that Maria's run was more impressive, so we don't need to move the goalposts atall. :lol:

Sharapowerr
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:27 PM
Davenport/Dementieva/Henin/JJ , she outplayed all of them, for the Serena fans.. who was the thoughest apponnent for Serena to win this years wimledon... MARIA

dsanders06
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:30 PM
She won 31-2 (from the French on) going into that match with Serena, with both losses coming to Serena.

More impressive than I thought... though that's still only two good wins for Serena that whole tournament (a Davenport making a comeback and Venus) compared to four good wins in Maria's AO (Davenport, Henin, Jankovic, Ivanovic).

brickhousesupporter
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:32 PM
Yeah, that makes perfect sense, when you consider that it was a Serena fan (Le Bon Vivant) that brought up the topic of endorsements.

And the consensus here IS that Maria's run was more impressive, so we don't need to move the goalposts atall. :lol:
consensus is just the perceptions of the posters. It has nothing to do with the facts the defying gravity posted.

A masha fan sarcastically pointed out that Serena fans won't let Maria be greater in any category and LBV pointed out that that is not true, as Maria has better endorsement. This is a fact. You guys chose to run with that, since the Maria Australian Open run was not holding up under closer inspection.

Serenita
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:33 PM
For me Serena was just scary in USO 2002, Dominated and obliterated the field. Noone can touch that supreme ball striking, moving, serving ect.

narutos
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:33 PM
More impressive than I thought... though that's still only two good wins for Serena that whole tournament (a Davenport making a comeback and Venus) compared to four good wins in Maria's AO (Davenport, Henin, Jankovic, Ivanovic).

You forgot Dementieva.:lol:

Gdsimmons
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:35 PM
consensus is just the perceptions of the posters. It has nothing to do with the facts the defying gravity posted.

A masha fan sarcastically pointed out that Serena fans won't let Maria be greater in any category and LBV pointed out that that is not true, as Maria has better endorsement. This is a fact. You guys chose to run with that, since the Maria Australian Open run was not holding up under closer inspection.

SPEAK ON IT

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:36 PM
it's amazing how dsanders is now hyping jh in 2008, yet whenever you mention miami 2008 to him about serena's win he always say jh wasn't the same as in 2007 :lol:

and really...still going with davenport in 2008?? seriously?? and Dementieva who is maria's bitch??

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:36 PM
Was Venus on a 32-match winning-streak when she met Serena at the USO02? Or, to adjust for your ridiculous hypothetical, had she won her last 32 matches against anyone not called Serena? I think not.


Oh btw:

http://i28.tinypic.com/2zg93rn.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/90aam1.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/25saq3b.jpg

Venus had won her last 31 matches against players not named Serena.

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:40 PM
There is no singular most dominant. Serena and Maria put in two of the best grand slam performances, with Justine's Roland Garros behind them. Venus' 2000 and 2001 Wimbledon titles are nothing short of impressive as well:

In those two title runs she beat in the top 10: Hingis, Davenport x2, Serena, Henin, and Tauziat losing only one set in to Hingis and one set to Davenport. She beat future top 10 players Sugiyama, Hantuchova, Petrova in straights (giving Petrova a bagel). And she looked positively regal while doing so.

It's not about sets and games won. It's about how invincible you look, and even after losing a set to Hingis and Davenport, I remember not having a doubt that Venus would win.

Numbers on Justine's 2006-2007 RG run:

Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Kim Clijsters, Anastasia Myksina (2006); Serena Williams, Ana Ivanovic, Jelena Jankovic (2007)
Other notable opponents: Anna-Lena Groenefeld (best Slam result)
Average games dropped: 5.5 (2006); 5.4 (2007)
Average ranking of players faced: 33.8 (2006); 30.4 (2007)

Numbers on Maria's 2008 AO run:
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Jelena Jankovic, Ana Ivanovic, Justine Henin
Other notable opponents: Elena Dementieva, Lindsay Davenport
Average games dropped: 4.6
Average ranking of players faced: 32.4

Numbers on Lindsay Davenport's AO 2000 run (I consider this a part of the 2000-2009 decade):
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Martina Hingis
Other notable opponents: Anna Kournikova, Sarah Pitowski, Julie Halard-Decugis, Jennifer Capriati
Average games dropped: 5.4
Average ranking of players faced: 47.8

Numbers on Serena's 2002 USO run:
Sets lost: 0
Opponents in top 10 defeated: Lindsay Davenport, Venus Williams
Other notable opponents: Dinara Safina, Daniela Hantuchova
Average games dropped: 4.1
Average ranking of players faced (sans Morariu): 27.3

Based on this, I would have to say Serena's was the most dominant as her opponents were on average higher ranked than Maria's or Justine's, though all 4 slams were equally impressive.

Also, we must remember pure numbers don't really encompass everything. Let's see some clips from the top matches of those two most dominant performances:

Sharapova vs. Henin highlights:

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Davenport vs. Serena (2002) highlights:

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narutos
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:45 PM
Because Venus isn't Serena's bitch in GS finals:lol: I swear WS fans are insane.

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:46 PM
that Wimbledon 4th round match have these sharawhatever people hyyyyyped. :happy:

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:47 PM
consensus is just the perceptions of the posters. It has nothing to do with the facts the defying gravity posted.

A masha fan sarcastically pointed out that Serena fans won't let Maria be greater in any category and LBV pointed out that that is not true, as Maria has better endorsement. This is a fact. You guys chose to run with that, since the Maria Australian Open run was not holding up under closer inspection.

I was talking about strictly sport categories and haven't said a word about endorsement until then, so you're wrong for the first time. Plus Serena fans admitting to Sharapova being the highest-profile athlete around the world is another convenient truth - to put it marbly, just read some comments in the thread where it's announced that Sharapova signed the 70 mio. deal with Nike. I suspect you won't bother doing that which is quite understandanble since you've already got all the facts figured out and they fit your assumptions perfectly.

Now, I'd be more then happy to put this endorsement crap out of the way even though Serena fans differ on who's got more in the bank like a flying banana, but I will say it once again, I don't believe any Serena fan will ever admit to her not being superior to Sharapova in any sporting aspect of this professionally played discipline called tennis. That's a fact - if I dare to state one of them since judging by the comments Serena fans are more then happy to be in possession of all the facts surrounding the sporting nature of this topic - and moreover I'm not being sarcastic by any means as well.

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:50 PM
I was talking about strictly sport categories and haven't said a word about endorsement until then, so you're wrong for the first time. Plus Serena fans admitting to Sharapova being the highest-profile athlete around the world is another convenient truth - to put it marbly, just read some comments in the thread where it's announced that Sharapova signed the 70 mio. deal with Nike. I suspect you won't bother doing that which is quite understandanble since you've already got all the facts figured out and they fit your assumptions perfectly.

Now, I'd be more then happy to put this endorsement crap out of the way even though Serena fans differ on who's got more in the bank like a flying banana, but I will say it once again, I don't believe any Serena fan will ever admit to her not being superior to Sharapova in any sporting aspect of this professionally played discipline called tennis. That's a fact - if I dare to state one of them since judging by the comments Serena fans are more then happy to be in possession of all the facts surrounding the sporting nature of this topic - and moreover I'm not being sarcastic by any means as well.

I'm a Serena fan and I admit Serena was outplayed by Sharapova at Wimbledon in 2004 :shrug:. She was better than her that day by outright.

I will also admit that a confident Maria may not hit as hard or as heavy as Serena, but is more consistent from the baseline than Serena was for most of her career.

BuTtErFrEnA
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:51 PM
Because Venus isn't Serena's bitch in GS finals:lol: I swear WS fans are insane.

up until that year vinas was dominating the h-2-h with sarin and had beaten her in their slam meetings, including the previous year's US Open final

Dave.
Jul 16th, 2010, 04:57 PM
I did say "arguably". Davenport's form before meeting Maria was 3 wins in 4 tournaments, while before she met Serena, it was about 3 SFs. As me and Donny established, there wasn't much difference in the calibre of players she faced in either run either. People keep saying she could barely move against Maria, but look at the highlights of her match against Serena - she was like a statue there too, although in fairness she did start hitting great winners in that second set and had the supposedly all-time best Serena completely on her heels - but, unfortunately for Davenport, Maria played at such a high level at the AO08 that she didn't let her hit those winners. So, in terms of whether beating Davenport at the USO02 or AO08 was more impressive, it's a tie at best. And then when you add in her wins over Henin, Jankovic and Ivanovic, it's really not remotely close.



Davenport's level of play and/or results are not comparable from early 2008 and 2002.
Yes, Davenport had won 3/4 (lower tier) tournaments but there was an off-season in between, so really all she had was the one tournament in Auckland. The highest ranked player she beat there was Medina-Garrigues, and it still took 3 sets (on hardcourts, against AMG!)

In 2002 going into the US Open, Davenport had made semis of all 4 tournaments she played, including finals of the last two. All of these tournaments were higher tier. She'd beaten Dokic, Mauresmo, Sugiyama, Myskina, Rubin, and was 17-4 going into the semifinal against Serena.

Davenport had finished 2001 as world number 1, would finish the next 3 seasons in the top 5, and was still 26 years old. The 2008 AO was her first slam in two years and she was 32 years old. Not comparable.

Maria did play at a high level of intensity in that match because she can't afford to do anything less against players who are that much better than her. But either way, Davenport was not in any position, physically or mentally, to make a match of it, at that time in her career.



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Not that level of opposition has anything whatsoever to do with this topic. The question is most dominant. If Serena won a slam playing only players ranked 500 or lower, that would likely be the most dominant one.

Craig.
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:00 PM
Davenport's level of play and/or results are not comparable from early 2008 and 2002.
Yes, Davenport had won 3/4 (lower tier) tournaments but there was an off-season in between, so really all she had was the one tournament in Auckland. The highest ranked player she beat there was Medina-Garrigues, and it still took 3 sets (on hardcourts, against AMG!)

In 2002 going into the US Open, Davenport had made semis of all 4 tournaments she played, including finals of the last two. All of these tournaments were higher tier. She'd beaten Dokic, Mauresmo, Sugiyama, Myskina, Rubin, and was 17-4 going into the semifinal against Serena.

Davenport had finished 2001 as world number 1, would finish the next 3 seasons in the top 5, and was still 26 years old. The 2008 AO was her first slam in two years and she was 32 years old. Not comparable.

Maria did play at a high level of intensity in that match because she can't afford to do anything less against players who are that much better than her. But either way, Davenport was not in any position, physically or mentally, to make a match of it, at that time in her career.



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Not that level of opposition has anything whatsoever to do with this topic. The question is most dominant. If Serena won a slam playing only players ranked 500 or lower, that would likely be the most dominant one.

LOL WUT.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:00 PM
Because Venus isn't Serena's bitch in GS finals:lol: I swear WS fans are insane.

Venus has given Serena 2 of her three losses in GS finals. If Venus is her bitch in finals, then who ISN'T her bitch in GS finals?

Dave.
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:01 PM
Also, we must remember pure numbers don't really encompass everything. Let's see some clips from the top matches of those two most dominant performances:

Sharapova vs. Henin highlights:

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Davenport vs. Serena (2002) highlights:

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The Serena one still looks better, and that was her toughest match of the tournament! :eek: Post the final against Venus or any of her earlier rounds and she looks even more dominant.

Dave.
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:02 PM
LOL WUT.

It's no secret. :shrug:

VishaalMaria
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:02 PM
Wasn't there a fact that someone posted stating Serena only lost 29 games in her U.S Open 2002 win, whereas Maria lost 32 games in her Australian Open 2008 win? In that case, Serena's slam win was more dominant as she lost less games.

I think people are arguing which slam win was more impressive and that's a slightly different question to the topic title.

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:03 PM
Also, we must remember pure numbers don't really encompass everything. Let's see some clips from the top matches of those two most dominant performances:

Sharapova vs. Henin highlights:

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Davenport vs. Serena (2002) highlights:

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Sharapova was so impressive in Australia Believe it or not she never had to save even one set point against anyone she played!!

VishaalMaria
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:04 PM
Venus has given Serena 2 of her three losses in GS finals. If Venus is her bitch in finals, then who ISN'T her bitch in GS finals?

Great point. From the current players, only Venus (x2) and Maria have stopped Serena in slam finals.

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:05 PM
Sharapova was so impressive in Australia Believe it or not she never had to save even one set point against anyone she played!!

I swear that she had to save one against Ivanovic.

Craig.
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:06 PM
It's no secret. :shrug:

To you it isn't, but whatever :p We both know how you feel about both players.

Craig.
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:06 PM
I swear that she had to save one against Ivanovic.

She was down 4-5 0-30.

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:08 PM
I swear that she had to save one against Ivanovic.

No she was two points away from loosing the set that means there was no set point saved..!Do you need any more Statistics to prove Maria had the most Impressive and dominant Slam win!!

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:08 PM
I swear that she had to save one against Ivanovic.

Yup...I'm glad you caught me Craig. I just checked online.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:08 PM
She was down 4-5 0-30.

In other words, she was behind at one point of the match?

Craig.
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:10 PM
In other words, she was at risk of actually being down a set?

Your point being?

madmax
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:10 PM
It's no secret. :shrug:

to you maybe:lol:Any other sane person wouldn't call a retired player with the same amount of slams MUCH superior to an active 23 years old one...but it's difficult to find a sane person on these boards anyway.

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:10 PM
In other words, she was behind at one point of the match?

the point was "Smartie" that she didn't had to save set points during the whole 2 weeks of play..

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:12 PM
Your point being?

Puts a blemish on the "total domination" argument.

Craig.
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:12 PM
Puts a blemish on the "total domination" argument.

Didn't Serena have to save SPs against Lindsay too? :shrug:

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:14 PM
You know, watching the highlights of the Ivanovic-Sharapova match...there WAS some serious doubt that Sharapova was gonna win in 2 sets. It was still, coupled with the USO final and Wimbledon final that year the most competitive season of Slam finals for a WHILE.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:14 PM
Didn't Serena have to save SPs against Lindsay too? :shrug:

Yes, she was a point from being tied in the match. Different from being two points from a set deficit.

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:14 PM
Let's dig out how many times Sharapova was 0-15 behind just to make Serena fans even more happy :hearts:

VishaalMaria
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:15 PM
the point was "Smartie" that she didn't had to save set points during the whole 2 weeks of play..

So? You're making the argument that Maria didn't have to save a set point but Serena did, but in essence your argument is based on games lost (as a set = six games) and when we look at games lost, Serena lost 29 as opposed to Maria's 32. So you're effectively arguing that Serena's win was more dominant. Do you not see that?

Craig.
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:16 PM
Yes, she was a point from being tied in the match. Different from being two points from a set deficit.

Still, having to save SPs (whether it be in the first or second set) puts a blemish on her 'total domination' as well, don't you think?

Mr.Sharapova
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:16 PM
So? You're making the argument that Maria didn't have to save a set point but Serena did, but in essence your argument is based on games lost (as a set = six games) and when we look at games lost, Serena lost 29 as opposed to Maria's 32. So you're effectively arguing that Serena's win was more dominant. Do you not see that?

I was making the Argument on how Dominant Maria was and if she didn't face a single set point during the whole Championships that means something doesn't it!!
You cannot be more Dominant than that Can you!

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:17 PM
Let's dig out how many times Sharapova was 0-15 behind just to make Serena fans even more happy :hearts:

It's ok to argue about set points (when Serena had already won the first set) but not 0-30 deficits at 4-5?

VishaalMaria
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:18 PM
I was making the Argument on how Dominant Maria was and if she didn't face a single set point during the whole Championships that means something doesn't it!!
You cannot be more Dominant than that Can you!

Yeah Maria was dominant but she wasn't as dominant as Serena otherwise she wouldn't have lost more games. And that's what this means.

Donny
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:18 PM
Still, having to save SPs (whether it be in the first or second set) puts a blemish on her 'total domination' as well, don't you think?

Indeed. But she was never actually trailing in any other her matches.

DefyingGravity
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:19 PM
I was making the Argument on how Dominant Maria was and if she didn't face a single set point during the whole Championships that means something doesn't it!!
You cannot be more Dominant than that Can you!

Oh I don't know....you could not let people get to 6-4 until the semifinals......which Serena didn't let anyone get to UNTIL that Davenport match. And even then it only happened twice (Davenport and Venus).

Monzanator
Jul 16th, 2010, 05:21 PM
It's ok to argue about set points (when Serena had already won the first set) but not 0-30 deficits at 4-5?

Serena saved SPs against Davenport --> well done for her, Maria didn't have to save a single SP during the whole tournament ---> isn't it worth any slightest praise or am I asking too much here :shrug: If I am, dare I crawl back to my junkhole and never come back....