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LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 01:52 AM
Does anyone know anything about her? She's the worst tennis player I've ever seen live. :o

Randy H
Jul 13th, 2010, 01:56 AM
Does anyone know anything about her? She's the worst tennis player I've ever seen live. :o

I take it you haven't been to many events then :p

She's a former NCAA player, turned pro after graduating from College, and after a few years as an ITF level singles player, decided to then focus on doubles because of a lot of ongoing injuries that were hindering her ability to play singles constantly. Most notable result in singles was a win over Domachowska at Wimbledon for her lone career main draw slam victory.

As far as her game goes, nice serve, pretty decent forehand, volleys are not bad either. Backhand can be suspect, and her movement is probably one of her bigger weaknesses as well, although she obviously doesn't have to rely so much on that as a doubles specialist now.

dsanders06
Jul 13th, 2010, 01:59 AM
I know she's British. That's about it.

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:02 AM
I've never been to a WTA event actually. I've been to Legg Mason for three years. I'll try to go to the US Open this year for the first time.

She is really not good at all. Volleys into the net constantly. Terrible errors in the groundstrokes. Very poor movement. I wish I could watch Hingis with a semi-decent partner. :lol:

And now I get to watch Martina with the worst male player I've ever seen live: Scoville Jenkins. :unsure:

Angela Haynes might be a little chunky but she hits a great forehand up the line.

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:10 AM
I know she's British. That's about it.

Aaah that explains a lot. :angel:

twight6
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:14 AM
Brie?

young_gunner913
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:18 AM
If I remember correctly, she was playing doubles with Raquel Kops-Jones at Wimby this year and she hit Liezel Huber in the throat near the same play Nadia hit her a couple years ago. :lol:

Daniel K
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:26 AM
Martina's team is so bad! I don't think they've won a tie yet.
I'm not sure how WTT works either. Hingis played Haynes twice in about 3 days. The scheduling is so strange.

Randy H
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:35 AM
I've never been to a WTA event actually. I've been to Legg Mason for three years. I'll try to go to the US Open this year for the first time.

She is really not good at all. Volleys into the net constantly. Terrible errors in the groundstrokes. Very poor movement. I wish I could watch Hingis with a semi-decent partner. :lol:

And now I get to watch Martina with the worst male player I've ever seen live: Scoville Jenkins. :unsure:

Angela Haynes might be a little chunky but she hits a great forehand up the line.

Trust me, it can get a lot worse than Sarah Borwell ;)

Have to consider as well that it is basically an exhibition, and you're probably not going to see most players truly playing their best game. Not to say they don't want to win, but it's still not the same as playing a proper tour event. Haynes though, is definitely a better player than Borwell when she's on her game (sadly not often, but she's very flashy when it's all connecting).

égalité
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:37 AM
She "played an exhibition" against Venus once :hysteric:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=301620

Tripp
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:40 AM
She was playing pretty well in Wimbledon vs. Huber/Mattek-Sands.

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:56 AM
Haynes's game is actually very flashy when it's all connecting! Hingis is a shadow of her former self, but there are still flashes of her brilliant defense and touch from time to time. The worst thing is that she has completely lost her consistentcy.

Martina's team, the NY Buzz, is very, very bad. They haven't won a single match and the game against the DC Kastles just got rained out. I think the NY Buzz may technically have won by one point/game, but the honest truth is that Martina's team is atrocious and happened to catch Bobby Reynolds and Stubbs on a bad night.

I'm surprised how angry Stubbs can get at an exho.

RenaSlam.
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:59 AM
I know she sucks. :lol:

Randy H
Jul 13th, 2010, 03:03 AM
Haynes's game is actually very flashy when it's all connecting! Hingis is a shadow of her former self, but there are still flashes of her brilliant defense and touch from time to time. The worst thing is that she has completely lost her consistentcy.

Martina's team, the NY Buzz, is very, very bad. They haven't won a single match and the game against the DC Kastles just got rained out. I think the NY Buzz may technically have won by one point/game, but the honest truth is that Martina's team is atrocious and happened to catch Bobby Reynolds and Stubbs on a bad night.

I'm surprised how angry Stubbs can get at an exho.

Having just watched some of the highlights of Hingis' match against Venus, you can see she's definitely not anywhere close to where she was playing a couple of years ago when she made her comeback. Backhand was still being struck quite well, and she still has good feel, instincts, and hands at the net, but there was a lot lacking as well. Serve had nothing on it, and a lot of forehands landing really really short and with very little pace.

And yes, Rennae's basically a sour bitch any time she's on a tennis court and not winning a point ;) :lol:

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 03:15 AM
Hingis was much, much better today than she was against Venus, and the match against Haynes was much more watchable. She hit her forehand better today, but she'd have a long way to go if she is really considering a comeback.

viele
Jul 13th, 2010, 03:51 AM
And now I get to watch Martina with the worst male player I've ever seen live: Scoville Jenkins. :unsure:

Trust me, it can get a lot worse than Sarah Borwell ;)

It can also get much worse that Scoville Jenkins :( I've never seen him live but I can't imagine him being so bad foryou to proclaim him the worse. What exactly was so terrible :confused:

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 12:36 PM
It can also get much worse that Scoville Jenkins :( I've never seen him live but I can't imagine him being so bad foryou to proclaim him the worse. What exactly was so terrible :confused:

He is not good at doubles at all. The mens doubles match was pitifully one-sided. The Kastles slaughtered the Buzz. It was embarrassing.

I haven't seen that many players playing live: Roddick, Murray, Del Potro, Haas, Clement, Isner, Berdych, and maybe a few others.

Jenkins is not playing well. His volleys are poor. He makes bad errors. His tactics in doubles are a hot ass mess. There's a reason the Buzz haven't won a single match.

Wiggly
Jul 13th, 2010, 12:40 PM
Well, she thinks she can win a Slam with Racquel-Jones.

Freakan
Jul 13th, 2010, 12:53 PM
She's a very nice person, decent doubles player and you obviously haven't seen a lot of tennis in your life.

StephenUK
Jul 13th, 2010, 01:13 PM
She comes from north-east England, near me in fact. She has been in the top 200 in singles and won a round at Wimbledon once. She now concentrates on doubles. Great blogger, would put her in the top 10 for that!

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 13th, 2010, 01:26 PM
Scoville Jenkins is already retired. He's working as an assistant tennis coach for a college in Atlanta as soon as WTT is over.

As far as Sarah Borwell goes, it could have just been a bad night. She's certainly a decent doubles player having had Huber/Mattek-Sands on the ropes at Wimbledon. The format of WTT makes it impossible for players to treat it like a real tennis match--one set to 5 games, no-ad scoring, lets are good, abbreviated tiebreak, a multi-colored court with music blaring after every point. Great for fans, but the players aren't going to treat it like a serious match. Except for Rennae Stubbs of course, who was screaming at the umpire during her mixed doubles semifinal at Wimbledon :tape::lol:

Dave.
Jul 13th, 2010, 01:26 PM
I don't really know how much you can take from a WTT match. :shrug:

Anyway, Borwell is a mid-ranked doubles specialist. Her serve is probably her biggest weapon. She is quite aggressive but yes her volleying could be better.

She's playing the main tour events regularly now with Raquel Kops-Jones. They very nearly beat 5th seeds Huber/Mattek-Sands in the 1R of Wimbledon.


:haha: Rennae! :inlove: I can understand it though, not sure her and Hingis get on at all. Didn't Hingis make another one of her lesbian remarks about her and Raymond before?

spiceboy
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:01 PM
:haha: Rennae! :inlove: I can understand it though, not sure her and Hingis get on at all.

:devil:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/australian_open/1779697.stm


Hingis, Kournikova win grudge match

Martina Hingis was back on court only an hour after her singles victory to partner Anna Kournikova in the semi-finals of the doubles against top seeds Lisa Raymond and Rennae Stubbs. It is well known in tennis circles that there is no love lost between the pairs, and that helped make this one of the fieriest matches of the tournament.


None of the players had any qualms about hitting the ball straight at their opponents, as is customary in doubles, but the venom of some of the shots left the crowd gasping.
Matters came to a head at 5-5 in the first set, when Raymond and Stubbs were a break point down.
Kournikova hit a shot, which looked to most of the crowd, and her opponents, as if it had sailed long.
The ball was called in and the temperamental Stubbs erupted.
It was a miracle she didn't receive a warning for her language directed at the umpire, linesman and her opponents.
Events took a turn for the worse in the following game, when Hingis and Kournikova lost a similarly dubious call.

Fired up
Stubbs stormed to the net, where Hingis and Kournikova were arguing with the umpire, shouting "one-all" and using two fingers to illustrate her point.
This did nothing to endear her to her home crowd, who were already well behind her opponents.
And it seemed to fire up Hingis and Kournikova. After losing the set on the tie-break, they stormed back to win 6-7 6-1 6-0. They will play Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario and Daniela Hantuchova in Friday's final, after they defeated Conchita Martinez and Magui Serna 7-5 6-2.

JustPetko
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:38 PM
At 2006 Wimbledon, in first round, she won with Domachowska 6-3, 6-7(4), 6-4 :help: :help: :help:.

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:40 PM
She's a very nice person, decent doubles player and you obviously haven't seen a lot of tennis in your life.

She might be a fantastic human being. :shrug:

I have certainly seen worse tennis on TV. (I've been following the sports for a long, long time.) But it's definitely the worst I've seen live.

And I saw Borwell last week, too, and she was similarly bad, as was Scoville Jenkins.

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Side note:

Yes, these are exhibitions, but it's not as if the players are not trying to win. They are. Why should Borwell be bricking the most basic volleys, committing tragic double faults and go large spans without getting a single groundstroke right?

Shepster
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:47 PM
Borwell's blogs are legendary, she's a very funny woman and always gives an entertaining read. She basically appreciated that no matter what she did singles was never going to happen for her so she switched to doubles and was more successful. She's basically got an identical kind of record to Vladimira Uhlirova this year in terms of both win/loss and prize money - journeywoman in her early 30s just being on the tour.

As for the seen live thing, that can always be deceptive. I've been to Birmingham for the last three years and Sharapova's been there twice and I maintain the best player I saw was Nicole Vaidisova, mid-slump, in 2008.

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:50 PM
Well, now that I actually earn a good living instead of being broke ( :help: ), I am hoping to get out there and see more live tennis. And I eagerly await the chance to watch someone worse than Borwell in a non-exhibition event! :hearts:

spiceboy
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:54 PM
Borwell's blogs are legendary, she's a very funny woman and always gives an entertaining read. She basically appreciated that no matter what she did singles was never going to happen for her so she switched to doubles and was more successful. She's basically got an identical kind of record to Vladimira Uhlirova this year in terms of both win/loss and prize money - journeywoman in her early 30s just being on the tour.


Uhlirova is a much better doubles player: former top 20, several WTA titles, GS semifinalist :hearts: :worship:

Shepster
Jul 13th, 2010, 02:58 PM
Uhlirova is a much better doubles player: former top 20, several WTA titles, GS semifinalist :hearts: :worship:
Oh I know, I love the woman - that US Open semi with Szavay was all kinds of fun and she was chatting to me at Brum when Rezai and Rodionova were having their row :lol: Got to the stage now though that she's basically just going to every event and winning a match 40% of the time is enough to keep her ticking over at about 50/60ish in the world, which is what Borwell's doing too. Obviously career wise there's no comparison ;).

tucker1989
Jul 13th, 2010, 03:42 PM
Rennae and Martina were actually chatting some last night, and it looked pretty friendly. Sarah wasn't playing well, but saying she's the worst player you've ever seen is ridiculous. That one double fault, though...hahahah.

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Rennae and Martina were actually chatting some last night, and it looked pretty friendly. Sarah wasn't playing well, but saying she's the worst player you've ever seen is ridiculous. That one double fault, though...hahahah.

I didn't say she was the worst player that I've ever seen. I said she was the worst player that I've ever seen LIVE.

And yes, that one double fault was just .... :o:help:

I find it funny that people are ridiculing me for this ... as if it's some kind of badge of honor to have watched an even more mediocre tennis player live? Who is proud of paying money to watch garbage?

serenus_2k8
Jul 13th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Hingis was much, much better today than she was against Venus, and the match against Haynes was much more watchable. She hit her forehand better today, but she'd have a long way to go if she is really considering a comeback.

I know she is unfortunate that she is stuck with the drug baron of doom, Martina Hingis, who btw isnt considering a comeback because she was already sick of having her ass served to her by more talented players week after week. I thought Martina would have more success as a reality TV 'star' but sadly her stints on Strictly Come Dancing and Beat The Star ended just as tragically as her tennis career. Perhaps next time you get stuck watching a player who doesnt meet your high standards, a quick snort of coke will numb the pain. Or at least, Martina clearly hoped so :shrug:

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 04:30 PM
I know she is unfortunate that she is stuck with the drug baron of doom, Martina Hingis, who btw isnt considering a comeback because she was already sick of having her ass served to her by more talented players week after week. I thought Martina would have more success as a reality TV 'star' but sadly her stints on Strictly Come Dancing and Beat The Star ended just as tragically as her tennis career. Perhaps next time you get stuck watching a player who doesnt meet your high standards, a quick snort of coke will numb the pain. Or at least, Martina clearly hoped so :shrug:

:spit:

My high standards?! :unsure:

If Sarah Borwell's tennis is considered standard, then it's no wonder loads of WTA matches have empty stands. It's simply not enjoyable. I wouldn't watch her play again even if someone offered me $20. :haha:

serenus_2k8
Jul 13th, 2010, 04:56 PM
:spit:

My high standards?! :unsure:

If Sarah Borwell's tennis is considered standard, then it's no wonder loads of WTA matches have empty stands. It's simply not enjoyable. I wouldn't watch her play again even if someone offered me $20. :haha:

How about you just appreciate the fact you got to watch your favourite player live rather than crying about her losing. I wouldnt pay to watch Martina since I am 100% against supporting the illegal drugs trade and would not like the thought of my money being used to fuel crime.

I suggest you watch more live tennis so you know what is actually considered standard. Perhaps you should consider whether Sarah was nervous playing with a far more famous player than she is used to rather than venting your rage towards her.

Freakan
Jul 13th, 2010, 05:02 PM
I find it even more funny (and sad at the same time) that you started this ridiculous thread. That is just so TF of you.

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 05:03 PM
How about you just appreciate the fact you got to watch your favourite player live rather than crying about her losing. I wouldnt pay to watch Martina since I am 100% against supporting the illegal drugs trade and would not like the thought of my money being used to fuel crime.

I suggest you watch more live tennis so you know what is actually considered standard. Perhaps you should consider whether Sarah was nervous playing with a far more famous player than she is used to rather than venting your rage towards her.

I'm not crying about Martina losing. Martina won her singles match, and Martina and Sarah barely won their doubles match because Martina carried them all the way. :haha:

Honey, I've been watching tennis on TV for 13 years so I know what is standard, mmkay? And I know the WTA has been producing a lot of garbage lately even among the most highly ranked players.

serenus_2k8
Jul 13th, 2010, 05:27 PM
I'm not crying about Martina losing. Martina won her singles match, and Martina and Sarah barely won their doubles match because Martina carried them all the way. :haha:

Honey, I've been watching tennis on TV for 13 years so I know what is standard, mmkay? And I know the WTA has been producing a lot of garbage lately even among the most highly ranked players.

So your girl won, stop your whining its already totally embarassing for you. Even as a Hingis fan this whole thread reeks of desperation. Hingis is retired, she will stay retired and thats that. Move on and find someone else to support.

Joe.
Jul 13th, 2010, 06:17 PM
:rolleyes: @ this thread.

Boreas
Jul 13th, 2010, 06:22 PM
She's a challenger level player. of course she can't be any good:shrug:

ArturoAce.
Jul 13th, 2010, 08:29 PM
How about you just appreciate the fact you got to watch your favourite player live rather than crying about her losing. I wouldnt pay to watch Martina since I am 100% against supporting the illegal drugs trade and would not like the thought of my money being used to fuel crime.

I suggest you watch more live tennis so you know what is actually considered standard. Perhaps you should consider whether Sarah was nervous playing with a far more famous player than she is used to rather than venting your rage towards her.

Way to exaggerate...:tape:

You're showing more rage than he ever did, so YOU should be the one embarrassed.:lol:

jussayin

The Dawntreader
Jul 13th, 2010, 08:32 PM
Sarah Borwell writes an article for ACE magazine.

Thrilling read obviously:lol:

NoChokes
Jul 13th, 2010, 08:49 PM
Haha.

Way to get upset over nothing.

LoveFifteen
Jul 13th, 2010, 08:51 PM
I just checked the WTT website, and the mixed doubles did not get rained out completely. They resumed play, and the New York Buzz lost the match in the end. That means their record is 0-6. :haha:

The worst team in the conference ... by far! :lol:

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 13th, 2010, 09:00 PM
I just checked the WTT website, and the mixed doubles did not get rained out completely. They resumed play, and the New York Buzz lost the match in the end. That means their record is 0-6. :haha:

The worst team in the conference ... by far! :lol:
Not a surprise though. Their team consists of Hingis, who retired three years ago; Jenkins, a challenger level nomad who retired six months ago; Domijan, who's ranked #540; and Borwell, who's 8-16 for the year on the WTA Tour and probably wouldn't be ranked in the top 100 unless she played 30+ events a year.

ArturoAce.
Jul 13th, 2010, 09:41 PM
Are the players recruited? or do the players request? or both?

I don't know why a captain would recruit Domijan or Jenkins? :shrug:

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 13th, 2010, 09:57 PM
Are the players recruited? or do the players request? or both?

I don't know why a captain would recruit Domijan or Jenkins? :shrug:
They're recruited. They have a draft every March that's identical to an NBA or NFL draft.

For whatever reason, the owner of the NY Buzz has been opting for a young team, probably because he hopes they become successful and will remain committed to the franchise. Last year his team was comprised entirely of amateur and junior players.

Unfortunately though, apart from the marquee players like Hingis, these teams don't really have much to choose from. Given that Jenkins was ranked around #250 at the time of the draft, he actually wasn't a bad choice. These players play WTT for the most part because they badly need the money. 90% of the players are challenger nomads or doubles specialists. The only top 100 singles players playing the whole season are Vania King, Chanelle Scheepers, and Jarmila Groth, and Scheepers/Groth were out of the top 100 when they were recruited.

serenus_2k8
Jul 13th, 2010, 11:41 PM
Way to exaggerate...:tape:

You're showing more rage than he ever did, so YOU should be the one embarrassed.:lol:

jussayin

If Mods like yourself did their job properly and were actually consistent in their rules then threads set up purely to bash players like Sarah would be closed down.

Why is it that when threads like the pusher hall of fame are set up to antagonise Caroline the mods jump on their high horses and close it without so much as an explanation yet you're happy to swan in here without so much as batting an eyelid?

At least if you had some consistency in your arrogant hypocrisy it would be considerably less fallible. Looks like we were both wrong - you should be embarrassed by your incompetency :wavey:

ArturoAce.
Jul 13th, 2010, 11:59 PM
If Mods like yourself did their job properly and were actually consistent in their rules then threads set up purely to bash players like Sarah would be closed down.

Why is it that when threads like the pusher hall of fame are set up to antagonise Caroline the mods jump on their high horses and close it without so much as an explanation yet you're happy to swan in here without so much as batting an eyelid?

At least if you had some consistency in your arrogant hypocrisy it would be considerably less fallible. Looks like we were both wrong - you should be embarrassed by your incompetency :wavey:

PM'ed you. :wavey:

serenus_2k8
Jul 14th, 2010, 12:49 AM
Thank you for taking the time to do that, but I am perfectly happy for the discussion to remain public.

Now, in your PM you state that saying a player is the worst player they have ever seen is not necessarily bashing, but compiling a list of objective statistics regarding a players game is? Thats complete rubbish, sorry.

You also said the poster wanted to discuss and analyse her game, Ive seen no sign of that whatsoever, could you please quote me some of this deep analysis written by the thread starter? If he was interested in finding out more about Sarah then what more can one want than every single match she has ever played as a pro, all of which is on the ITF/WTA sites.

Its blatantly obvious that this poster felt Borwell was unworthy to partner their idol and decided to vent their anger towards a warm, intelligent and funny professional who has done nothing during her career to upset or offend anyone, yet because Sarah is not a top 10 player with an established fan base on here you decide to employ blatant double standards and allow it. How very fair you are.