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2Black
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:20 PM
I know this is an exhibition but I've gotta go. No way do I think they'll play as if it's JUST an exhibition :lol:

frenchie
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:22 PM
what??

LoveFifteen
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:22 PM
Where are they playing? When?

Direwolf
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:25 PM
WHAT>>>???!!!!


Where??

is it wttt??

who is playing for who??
any website??

2Black
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:28 PM
They are playing in DC. Venus for Washington & Hingis for New York

Kworb
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:29 PM
I wouldn't expect much. Hingis lost to Lertcheewakarn yesterday. :weirdo:

Just Do It
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:31 PM
Hingis will get bageled.

Aaric
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:33 PM
I hope Venus doesnt play for real

LoveFifteen
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:34 PM
They are playing in DC. Venus for Washington & Hingis for New York

OMG, I HAVE TO GO!!!! I NEED TO SEE MARTINA, EVEN IF SHE IS GOING TO GET BAGELED BY VENUS!!! :sobbing:

Slutiana
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:34 PM
What television? Who?

I guess it won't be televised? :( I thought WTT usually was.

And LOL at people saying Venus will bagel her. The competitive side of Martina will probably raise her play in this big match anyway, we'll see.

Bezz
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:35 PM
Doesnt matter what happened in the past hingis matches....her and venus will have a wicked match!

Jorn
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:43 PM
See Results here:

http://wtt.ids-sports.com/stats/269.html

2Black
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:43 PM
Doesnt matter what happened in the past hingis matches....her and venus will have a wicked match!

THIS :lol:

LoveFifteen
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:45 PM
Man, the entire cost of this is going to be $92.80 if I do it. F*cking TicketMaster is such an evil cartel. They seriously gouge you so much.

TicketMaster charges an $8.55 convenience fee, an order processing fee of $4.50, and then they charge me $4.75 if I want to print out my own f*cking ticket. So lame. Such a monopoly. I agree they should earn something, but not $17.50.

But I'm going to go because I have never seen Venus and Martina playing live. I just hate that Martina has put down the racket for THREE years basically, and should get her ass beaten badly unless Venus takes it easy on her.

:sobbing:

Slutiana
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:46 PM
^It will be worth it. I'm very gelis. :hysteric:

One of the greatest rivalries EVA!

Caralenko
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:49 PM
I hate that WTT is American exclusive :tears:

LoveFifteen
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:53 PM
The match will be on Tennis Channel according to the WTT website (http://www.wtt.com/index.aspx).

Larrybidd
Jul 6th, 2010, 04:56 PM
Venus has been in different cities each of the last 3 or 4 days on a book tour. i wouldn't expect much.

Nicolás89
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:03 PM
Martina win a game you please :hearts:

Slutiana
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:04 PM
The match will be on Tennis Channel according to the WTT website (http://www.wtt.com/index.aspx).
Oh, good.

Someone better stream this. :armed:

tucker1989
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:20 PM
I'm going!

Vlover
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:33 PM
Man, the entire cost of this is going to be $92.80 if I do it. F*cking TicketMaster is such an evil cartel. They seriously gouge you so much.

TicketMaster charges an $8.55 convenience fee, an order processing fee of $4.50, and then they charge me $4.75 if I want to print out my own f*cking ticket. So lame. Such a monopoly. I agree they should earn something, but not $17.50.

But I'm going to go because I have never seen Venus and Martina playing live. I just hate that Martina has put down the racket for THREE years basically, and should get her ass beaten badly unless Venus takes it easy on her.

:sobbing:
Pity you have to spend so much to see a hit and giggle match. Venus however is more focused on her book tour than tennis right now therefore you don't have to worry. Quite frankly she is just there out of obligation to BJK. Hope you have a good time anyway, enjoy!

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:33 PM
Venus and Serena don't give a shit about their matches in WTT. They just play to support Billie Jean King. Remember when Venus when lost to Sloane Stephens last year, and Serena lost to Madison Keys? :o

It will be fun to see Hingis and Venus play points against each other, but I'm certainly not expecting Venus to go all out and wouldn't look too much into the result either way.

Slutiana
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:36 PM
Venus and Serena doesn't give a shit about their matches in WTT. They just play to support Billie Jean King. Remember when Venus when lost to Sloane Stephens last year, and Serena lost to Madison Keys? :o

It will be fun to see Hingis and Venus play points against each other, but I'm certainly not expecting Venus to go all out and wouldn't look too much into the result either way.
I remember the conspiracy that they were losing to black players on purpose. :lol:

Pureracket
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:41 PM
I'm pretty sure Hingis has picked up a racket since the last time Venus has.

PLP
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:43 PM
I remember the conspiracy that they were losing to black players on purpose. :lol:

:lol:

No, I don't remember hearing about that.

Well, I am pretty sure Venus will not lose to Martina on purpose.

I hope this is a fun match, it sounds like they are both going into it travel-drained, still I hope we get some vintage points.

Serena y Monica
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:44 PM
Venus and Serena doesn't give a shit about their matches in WTT. They just play to support Billie Jean King. Remember when Venus when lost to Sloane Stephens last year, and Serena lost to Madison Keys? :o

It will be fun to see Hingis and Venus play points against each other, but I'm certainly not expecting Venus to go all out and wouldn't look too much into the result either way.


How would you know this. I'm sure both do their best on the day they're playing...

Pureracket
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:45 PM
How would you know this. I'm sure both do their best on the day their playing...I'm not sure you've ever seen them play one of these matches, poodle.

Serena y Monica
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:45 PM
Per WTT website they match won't air until July 14...sucks.

Serena y Monica
Jul 6th, 2010, 05:49 PM
I'm not sure you've ever seen them play one of these matches, poodle.


Not sure who the f poodle is but YES, both live and on TV. No it's not the same intensity but I'm sure they want to win...but believe what you want.

Polikarpov
Jul 6th, 2010, 06:04 PM
I hope Martina can win at least three or four games. Go, Chucky!

Serena y Monica
Jul 7th, 2010, 12:48 AM
Does anyone know if there is a link for this match?

spencercarlos
Jul 7th, 2010, 03:25 AM
I'm pretty sure Hingis has picked up a racket since the last time Venus has.
Yeah pretty much against the 50 year olders at Wimbledon. Hingis has had more match practise. Surely Hingis could win again. :rolleyes:

spencercarlos
Jul 7th, 2010, 03:27 AM
I'm not sure you've ever seen them play one of these matches, poodle.
Venus better win even if she only shows up. Hingis is not even good enough to take care of 48 year old Tracy Austin :rolleyes:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Jul 7th, 2010, 03:44 AM
Something tells me it will be competitive

Daniel K
Jul 7th, 2010, 03:46 AM
Let her have a game Venus :sad:

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 7th, 2010, 05:46 AM
Something tells me it will be competitive

90 degrees tomorrow night in DC doesn't sound like a competitive match to me considering Hingis match history in hot and humid weather. :tape:

The Witch-king
Jul 7th, 2010, 10:15 AM
venus beat this girl like she dissed serena :fiery:

Kworb
Jul 7th, 2010, 11:39 AM
Yesterday Abigail Spears beat Hingis 5-2. She is playing Venus today and Serena on Friday.

Polikarpov
Jul 7th, 2010, 11:45 AM
Wow, she's gonna get bageled by Venus.:sobbing:

Bezz
Jul 7th, 2010, 11:52 AM
I dont think martina is really trying against these other girls....i wouldnt be surprised if they were goin all out and martina was quite happy with a rally....she has nothing to prove against these lesser player ;).

2Black
Jul 7th, 2010, 07:48 PM
I'm about to meet Venus for the 1st time ... If u hear that some guy fainted at Venus booksigning, it's me! I'm about to lose all cool points. Her legs are just soooooo...

Drake1980
Jul 7th, 2010, 08:00 PM
:scared:

Infiniti2001
Jul 7th, 2010, 08:06 PM
I'm about to meet Venus for the 1st time ... If u hear that some guy fainted at Venus booksigning, it's me! I'm about to lose all cool points. Her legs are just soooooo...

:rolls:

Vlover
Jul 7th, 2010, 08:09 PM
I'm about to meet Venus for the 1st time ... If u hear that some guy fainted at Venus booksigning, it's me! I'm about to lose all cool points. Her legs are just soooooo...
I'm eager to hear all about it!:cool:

donniedarkofan
Jul 7th, 2010, 08:49 PM
It's interesting how people think Hingis will lose easily. Their H2H is in favour for Martina. And if Venus will win, people will say that it was obvious from the start that Venus will win. Pity though that no one will remember that Martina retired few years ago. And if Martina will win people will say that it was JUST an exhibition match.

2Black
Jul 7th, 2010, 09:16 PM
O how I embarrassed myself ... I told Venus that I don't care if it's an exhibition, please crush Hingis. Iesha started laughing :lol:

Venus is BEAUTIFUL!!! and i think she thinks I'm a handsome dude cuz she looked me over a couple times. :hearts: :lol:

Tennis Fool
Jul 7th, 2010, 09:20 PM
Not sure who the f poodle is but YES, both live and on TV. No it's not the same intensity but I'm sure they want to win...but believe what you want.
I agree. I saw Serena when she played WTT last summer and she was there to play. Also, someone described WTT as "hit and giggle", which it's not. Nor is it an exhibition. It's team tennis in the truest since. It's definitely different and on a lower scale than regular tennis matches, but it's meant to be fun for the crowd, who are given a baseball-like atmosphere to cheer.


It's also meant as a testing ground for players looking to make comebacks. From the last interview with Martina and Anna, I got the sense that Hingis is still not ready to hang up her rackets for good. Different from Kournikova.

The Witch-king
Jul 7th, 2010, 09:26 PM
It's interesting how people think Hingis will lose easily. Their H2H is in favour for Martina. And if Venus will win, people will say that it was obvious from the start that Venus will win. Pity though that no one will remember that Martina retired few years ago. And if Martina will win people will say that it was JUST an exhibition match.

it's just World team tennis get a grip

The Witch-king
Jul 7th, 2010, 09:29 PM
O how I embarrassed myself ... I told Venus that I don't care if it's an exhibition, please crush Hingis. Iesha started laughing :lol:

Venus is BEAUTIFUL!!! and i think she thinks I'm a handsome dude cuz she looked me over a couple times. :hearts: :lol:

What was Venus's reaction to the Hingis comment?:worship::worship:

Infiniti2001
Jul 7th, 2010, 09:32 PM
O how I embarrassed myself ... I told Venus that I don't care if it's an exhibition, please crush Hingis. Iesha started laughing :lol:

Venus is BEAUTIFUL!!! and i think she thinks I'm a handsome dude cuz she looked me over a couple times. :hearts: :lol:

:lol: did you take any pics?

2Black
Jul 7th, 2010, 09:43 PM
What was Venus's reaction to the Hingis comment?:worship::worship:

Not much from Venus but a smile. She's definitely a strong, smart, business minded woman. She's too aware of her surroundings to give a reaction.

did you take any pics?

I wanted to take one with her & Iesha but between the overflow of other fans & the Barnes & Noble employees tryna rush us out of there, I didn't even ask. I purchased 3 books so she probably would've done it.

brickhousesupporter
Jul 7th, 2010, 09:54 PM
O how I embarrassed myself ... I told Venus that I don't care if it's an exhibition, please crush Hingis. Iesha started laughing :lol:

Venus is BEAUTIFUL!!! and i think she thinks I'm a handsome dude cuz she looked me over a couple times. :hearts: :lol:

Are you white?....sorry Venus fans:lol:

dynamoRockstarr
Jul 7th, 2010, 10:03 PM
^^^^ ahhhahaha :lol:

The Witch-king
Jul 7th, 2010, 10:08 PM
Are you white?....sorry Venus fans:lol:

Don't apologise. Everybody know Venus like her bread with as little crust as possible.:lick:

Pureracket
Jul 7th, 2010, 10:53 PM
It's interesting how people think Hingis will lose easily. Their H2H is in favour for Martina. And if Venus will win, people will say that it was obvious from the start that Venus will win. Pity though that no one will remember that Martina retired few years ago. And if Martina will win people will say that it was JUST an exhibition match.I'm pretty sure you're more into this than either one of those women are. :confused:

You are aware that it's a 5 game set with no-ad scoring, right? Let cord points are allowable on serve as well.

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:13 AM
Martina's team is really inferior. Scoville Jenkins has a small belly now. The Kastles have Stubbs and Paes.

darrinbaker00
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:18 AM
Martina's team is really inferior. Scoville Jenkins has a small belly now. The Kastles have Stubbs and Paes.
They also have two black women (Venus Williams and Angela Haynes). Coach Murphy "Robin Givens is My Baby Mama" Jensen won't be able to contain himself. ;)

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:18 AM
Don't apologise. Everybody know Venus like her bread with as little crust as possible.:lick:

I don't believe this is true, because time and time again Venus has stated how shy she is. She said she goes out with who ask her. Davide and Hank pursued her and that's how she ended up with them.

VishaalMaria
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:19 AM
Is this live right now??

darrinbaker00
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:22 AM
Is this live right now??
Yes, and Tennis Channel is broadcasting it.

VishaalMaria
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:23 AM
Yes, and Tennis Channel is broadcasting it.

Is there a live-stream?

darrinbaker00
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:27 AM
Is there a live-stream?
Don't know, don't care. Sorry.

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:30 AM
God, I had forgotten how tacky and annoying WTT was! Sorry, Billie Jean, these aren't improvements. The US Open is already tacky enough. :o

petkoan
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:32 AM
Give us livestream

brickhousesupporter
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:33 AM
Is there a live-stream?


http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c246cdc42bac

brickhousesupporter
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:34 AM
God, I had forgotten how tacky and annoying WTT was! Sorry, Billie Jean, these aren't improvements. The US Open is already tacky enough. :o


I thought you were going to see Hingis live.

darrinbaker00
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:35 AM
God, I had forgotten how tacky and annoying WTT was! Sorry, Billie Jean, these aren't improvements. The US Open is already tacky enough. :o
Crass commercialism isn't your thing, eh? ;)

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:50 AM
I thought you were going to see Hingis live.

Yes, I am here. On my iPhone. And WTT is just annoying. Do they really need music and sound effects in between EACH POINT?! :unsure:

The Witch-king
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:53 AM
Yes, I am here. On my iPhone. And WTT is just annoying. Do they really need music and sound effects in between EACH POINT?! :unsure:

just focus on the tennis, child.

moby
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:56 AM
Stop sucking, Sarah. :crying2:

viele
Jul 8th, 2010, 12:59 AM
Vee looks so happy playing WTT!!

ce
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:02 AM
anyone got another stream :sad:

The Witch-king
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:04 AM
Vee looks so happy playing WTT!!
that's cuz she's bagling cruella:bounce::bounce:

Amanda
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:05 AM
They are having fun.

Martian Jeza
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:10 AM
A stream pls ?

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:12 AM
Martina is bad, y'all. :sad:

moby
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:14 AM
Martina is bad, y'all. :sad:I know. I'm watching. Let's pretend it's Sarah's fault.

gmokb
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:15 AM
There is more spectators than in some WTA events

Daniel K
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:15 AM
:hysteric:

Martian Jeza
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:16 AM
Martina is bad, y'all. :sad:

Really ? :sad:

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:19 AM
Yeah, she's definitely playing like someone who hasn't been playing for three years. Her doubles partner was a hot ass mess though.

cellophane
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:20 AM
I wish there was a stream :( I finally got Internet at home back

Martian Jeza
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:20 AM
Yeah, she's definitely playing like someone who hasn't been playing for three years. Her doubles partner was a hot ass mess though.

:sobbing::sobbing::sobbing::sobbing: but I'll always love her whatever happens

ce
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:20 AM
both Hingis and Venus sucked in doubles

ce
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:21 AM
http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c246cdc42bac here is the stream

Tennisstar86
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:44 AM
Bleh wish I could be there. I've never been able to catch a WTT match while it was in DC.

WTT sucks. Its like its creator was on drugs when she came up with it. oh wait......

edificio
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:45 AM
The Veetle stream doesn't work for me. Maybe someone could tell us what's happening.

MajesticVenus
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:51 AM
Well, the match is just about to start in 10 minutes! I don't understand their scoring, but the Kastles are supposely kicking butt against the Buzz, according to what they said.

Daniel K
Jul 8th, 2010, 01:55 AM
About to start :) Thanks for the stream.

Marty-Dom
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:21 AM
Hingis is beating Venus with finese, while Venus is back in her "UFE Machine" mode. Martina just won three games in a row.
I think Venus will lose the only set for her team tonight.

moby
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:22 AM
What a mess of a match. :lol:

cellophane
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:26 AM
^It's fun... well that point with Hingis on defense was :)

Hingis come back!

Marty-Dom
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:27 AM
I'll be damned.... Hingis still got it. Running Venus around like a yo-yo.

Marty-Dom
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:31 AM
Martina had two set points, but Venus stepped up. Tie break.

moby
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:33 AM
Hingis is beating Venus with finese, while Venus is back in her "UFE Machine" mode. Martina just won three games in a row.
I think Venus will lose the only set for her team tonight.

I'll be damned.... Hingis still got it. Running Venus around like a yo-yo.

Martina had two set points, but Venus stepped up. Tie break.

Are you for real? If Venus played like this, she would be losing a lot of matches on the WTA. She's probably more interested in the book signing.

Marty-Dom
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:36 AM
Are you for real? If Venus played like this, she would be losing a lot of matches on the WTA. She's probably more interested in the book signing.

Venus is playing about the same level as she did against Pironkova. The only difference is she is not panicking.

Uranium
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:37 AM
5-4.:dance: Saved 3 MPs:hearts:

mdterp01
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:37 AM
Hingis is beating Venus with finese, while Venus is back in her "UFE Machine" mode. Martina just won three games in a row.
I think Venus will lose the only set for her team tonight.

But Venus won :wavey:

darrinbaker00
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:38 AM
Just to show everyone how seriously Hingis took this "match," she only brought ONE racquet with her. She had to finish the set with someone else's stick after she broke a string. :lol:

Yorker
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:39 AM
lol how anybody is taking that match seriously is beyond me. Hingis didn't even use her raquet in the tiebreaker. I thought both sucked to be honest.

gmokb
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:39 AM
Could someone please explain the scoring?:confused: It seems to be differet from regular tennis.

Marty-Dom
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:39 AM
But Venus won :wavey:

Thank FSM!!!!

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:41 AM
You can still see small flashes of "it" from Hingis, but she'll need to fully dedicate herself to training and practice if she wanted any chance of doing halfway decently on the tour. Her groundstrokes are inconsistent.

She hit a few nice touch shots. Better than anyone else tonight. But her game is not good.

By the way, both of Martina's rackets cracked and she had to borrow a racket from her teammates at the end. LOL

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:42 AM
Hingis cracked two rackets. She brought two rackets.

darrinbaker00
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:43 AM
Could someone please explain the scoring?:confused: It seems to be differet from regular tennis.
No-ad games, five-game sets, nine-point tiebreak at 4-4, let serves are in play.

gmokb
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:44 AM
No-ad games, five-game sets, nine-point tiebreak at 4-4, let serves are in play.

Thanks:)

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:44 AM
Venus was walking like her feet hurt :haha:

darrinbaker00
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:45 AM
You can still see small flashes of "it" from Hingis, but she'll need to fully dedicate herself to training and practice if she wanted any chance of doing halfway decently on the tour. Her groundstrokes are inconsistent.

She hit a few nice touch shots. Better than anyone else tonight. But her game is not good.

By the way, both of Martina's rackets cracked and she had to borrow a racket from her teammates at the end. LOL
Oh, the frames cracked. I thought she broke a string. Still, what serious player shows up on court with only TWO sticks? :lol:

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:47 AM
Oh, the frames cracked. I thought she broke a string. Still, what serious player shows up on court with only TWO sticks? :lol:
She ran out of reackets, so she borrowed from her teammate

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:48 AM
Venus was walking like her feet hurt :haha:
Yes,

They sai she has not gotten much rest all day, busy with interview and other events.

gmokb
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:50 AM
I love Vee but even my love can't carry me through this. This WTT event is really boring:eek:

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:51 AM
Yes,

They sai she has not gotten much rest all day, busy with interview and other events.

She looks exhausted :lol:

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:52 AM
I love Vee but even my love can't carry me through this. This WTT event is really boring:eek:

The crowd seem to enjoy it :shrug:

homogenius
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:56 AM
venus can lob :eek:

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:57 AM
Venus seemed to be leaping she jogged to hi-five Paes

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:01 AM
This doubke is not fair.

A retired Hingis, teaming up with Jenkins, who has not really done much

homogenius
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:02 AM
jenkins :help:

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:03 AM
jenkins :help:
You can say that again

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:05 AM
Venus just aced Jenkinsm who is embarassed

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:06 AM
Vee aced him :haha: :rolls:

Daniel K
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:08 AM
Jenkins is rubbish :tape:

Poor Venus she probably wanted to go to bed :lol:

darrinbaker00
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:10 AM
Jenkins is rubbish :tape:
I'll bet you $1 million that you couldn't win a game off of him.

brickhousesupporter
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:12 AM
I'll bet you $1 million that you couldn't win a game off of him.

I probably could!!!!!!

darrinbaker00
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:14 AM
I probably could!!!!!!
If you could, you would be getting ready for your next tournament instead of posting here.

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:14 AM
Jenkins is rubbish :tape:

Poor Venus she probably wanted to go to bed :lol:
What has Jenkins been up?
I have not seen him in long time, his game has not improved

Feel sorry for Hingis

Daniel K
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:15 AM
What has Jenkins been up?
I have not seen him in long time, his game has not improved

Feel sorry for Hingis

Yeah I know. He looked a bit out of shape as well. A shame really.

jefrilibra
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:17 AM
This thing is a MESS!!!

Im pretty sure Venus gets paid a lot for this appearance at a circus!

Martian KC
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:18 AM
Is there any pics?

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:37 AM
Jenkins does have a small belly. He played very poorly tonight. Hingis is very rusty and Venus's serve was really poor tonight.

Hingis did have a few vintage touch points though.

An older couple tried to give Hingis two homemade cupcakes after the match. Creepy! She said "thanks so much, but I'm on a diet."

I sat next to a large group of black women during the match. Towards the end, I said "Come on, Martina" and about seven of them turned to look at me with looks of disdain and disgust. One of them even laughed out loud and scoffed while looking in my eyes, "mmm, well, okaaaaay then!"

Reminded me of the obnoxious fans on this board who constantly insinuate things about Americans who don't root for the Williams when playing a non-American.

The stupid fat bitches next to me acted like I had no right to cheer for Hingis.

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:48 AM
Jenkins does have a small belly. He played very poorly tonight. Hingis is very rusty and Venus's serve was really poor tonight.

Hingis did have a few vintage touch points though.

An older couple tried to give Hingis two homemade cupcakes after the match. Creepy! She said "thanks so much, but I'm on a diet."

I sat next to a large group of black women during the match. Towards the end, I said "Come on, Martina" and about seven of them turned to look at me with looks of disdain and disgust. One of them even laughed out loud and scoffed while looking in my eyes, "mmm, well, okaaaaay then!"

Reminded me of the obnoxious fans on this board who constantly insinuate things about Americans who don't root for the Williams when playing a non-American.

The stupid fat bitches next to me acted like I had no right to cheer for Hingis.

With all due respect this is more in favor with what most of the Williams detractors believe--- that all their fans are black :shrug:

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:02 AM
With all due respect this is more in favor with what most of the Williams detractors believe--- that all their fans are black :shrug:

I definitely don't believe all their fans are black. There were plenty of white people saying "Come on, Venus!" But I know that some of their black fans insinuate that Venus and Serena don't get full support from every American like white legends of the past get (for example, Chris Evert). I would root for Hingis over any player in existence. I don't care if they're American or not. It pissed me off that I was sitting next to people who all turned around and gave me a stare-down when I meekly said "Come on, Hingis". It just reminded me of the same bullshit I encounter here on this forum.

Just check out the recent thread on the Hingis/Venus rivalry. I think the third post already starts with the whole "Venus wasn't considered a 'real American' like Chris Evert" bullshit.

edificio
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:03 AM
Jenkins does have a small belly. He played very poorly tonight. Hingis is very rusty and Venus's serve was really poor tonight.

Hingis did have a few vintage touch points though.

An older couple tried to give Hingis two homemade cupcakes after the match. Creepy! She said "thanks so much, but I'm on a diet."

I sat next to a large group of black women during the match. Towards the end, I said "Come on, Martina" and about seven of them turned to look at me with looks of disdain and disgust. One of them even laughed out loud and scoffed while looking in my eyes, "mmm, well, okaaaaay then!"

Reminded me of the obnoxious fans on this board who constantly insinuate things about Americans who don't root for the Williams when playing a non-American.

The stupid fat bitches next to me acted like I had no right to cheer for Hingis.

Trying to elevate your own world view while calling other people "stupid fat bitches" is very effective. Good luck with that.

Nicolás89
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:03 AM
With all due respect this is more in favor with what most of the Williams detractors believe--- that all their fans are black :shrug:

I just know that every time Hingis played Venus in the US Open Martina would get booed, every time. :sad:

edificio
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:06 AM
I just know that every time Hingis played Venus in the US Open Martina would get booed, every time. :sad:

Try checking out highlights from her match against Venus in 2000 USO. Martina was not being booed. She was being cheered for her play. So excuse me if I don't buy your "every time Hingis played Venus" b.s. You can watch on YouTube. Martina had fans, still does.

In any case, if one or two people boo, who cares. If the whole stadium is booing, then that's just rude behavior.

Nicolás89
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:10 AM
Try checking out highlights from her match against Venus in 2000 USO. Martina was not being booed. She was being cheered for her play. So excuse me if I don't buy your "every time Hingis played Venus" b.s. You can watch on YouTube. Martina had fans, still does.

In any case, if one or two people boo, who cares. If the whole stadium is booing, then that's just rude behavior.

I'm just saying what I've heard in their matches. Don't get all "I don't buy your bullshit", if you haven't heard Martina getting booed in 2000, ok that's fine. :shrug:

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:11 AM
I just know that every time Hingis played Venus in the US Open Martina would get booed, every time. :sad:

That's a whole lotta BS :help:

Nicolás89
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:13 AM
That's a whole lotta BS :help:

I reckon that I might be exaggerating but I remember that in 1997 and 1999 Martina was definitely booed.

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:17 AM
People have the right to cheer for whomever they want. Tonight was the first time I had ever seen my favorite tennis player of all time playing live. I have the right to cheer for her without anyone judging me, especially when I could tell from their looks that they were thinking to themselves that race played a factor in my cheering. The looks I received were downright disgusted with me. Shocked, really.

And, yes, they were stupid, fat bitches. One of them was even sitting in my assigned seat. :shrug:

mykarma
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:19 AM
People have the right to cheer for whomever they want. Tonight was the first time I had ever seen my favorite tennis player of all time playing live. I have the right to cheer for her without anyone judging me, especially when I could tell from their looks that they were thinking to themselves that race played a factor in my cheering. The looks I received were downright disgusted with me. Shocked, really.

And, yes, they were stupid, fat bitches. One of them was even sitting in my assigned seat. :shrug:
Well ain't that a bitch. :rolleyes:

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:25 AM
Well ain't that a bitch. :rolleyes:

Would you like to go see Venus for the first time ever, cheer for her, and have a large group of white women turn to look at you right in the face with looks of disgust and contempt, and then have one of them laugh and shake her head, saying "Ohhh, mmmhmmm, okaaaaay then!" :shrug:

All I can say is I've dealt with the same shit on this board when it comes to supporting Hingis over the Williams. I have had people insinuate that it's about race and that I'm a disloyal American.

Oh well. :shrug:

ampers&
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:39 AM
Jonathan, I totally understand your frustration. It happens everywhere though. There will always be groups of people who are ignorantly defensive like that. I dealt with a similar situation with a group of white Americans asking (in an accusatory manner) why I was cheering for Ghana in a World Cup match. Brush it off! Hope they didn't totally ruin the night for you.

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:45 AM
Jonathan, I totally understand your frustration. It happens everywhere though. There will always be groups of people who are ignorantly defensive like that. I dealt with a similar situation with a group of white Americans asking (in an accusatory manner) why I was cheering for Ghana in a World Cup match. Brush it off! Hope they didn't totally ruin the night for you.
They would never ask German Americans, Italian Americans, Greek American why they are cheering Germany, Italy and Greece respectively.

And If Ireland is playing, Irish bars even fly Irish flags.

tennisbuddy12
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:51 AM
What has Jenkins been up?
I have not seen him in long time, his game has not improved

Feel sorry for Hingis

He was just announced as an asst. coach at Kennesaw State University in his hometown of Atlanta.

Tech1
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:53 AM
What has Jenkins been up?
I have not seen him in long time, his game has not improved

Feel sorry for Hingis

Scoville Jenkins Joins Men's Tennis Staff

6/11/2010


KENNESAW, Ga. – The Kennesaw State University Department of Intercollegiate Athletics and head men’s tennis coach T.J. Greggs has announced that former professional tennis player, Scoville Jenkins, will join the staff as assistant men’s coach.

A native of Atlanta, Ga., Jenkins will officially assume his role as assistant coach on Aug. 12, announced Greggs in an introduction this afternoon at the KSU Convocation Center.

“I am very excited to be joining the coaching staff at Kennesaw State,” said Jenkins. “Coach Greggs and the entire staff has been very welcoming and I couldn’t ask for anything more.”

Jenkins was the first African-American to ever win the Boys' 18 USTA National Hard Court title in singles in the tournament's 89-year history when he captured the crown in 2004 in Kalamazoo, Mich. The six-year professional joins the Owls staff after a career that included appearances at the French Open and U.S. Open.

“There are only so many ways which I can say how excited we are to have someone with Scoville’s international experience and demeanor joining our program.” said Greggs. “This is going to help us become a much more competitive team in the Atlantic Sun Conference.”

During his career, Jenkins has played against the top names in tennis including Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Andy Roddick, Jarkko Nieminen and Jonas Bjorkman. In 2005, Jenkins defeated Swiss veteran George Bastl in the first round of the U.S. Open before falling to Nadal in the second round.

“I want to bring my experience as a former player to the Owls,” added Jenkins. “I will stress hard work, both on the court and in the classroom, and show them that with dedication and hard work, results will follow.”

Over his career, Jenkins has defeated several ranked opponents including No. 12-ranked Dominik Hrbaty, No. 13-ranked Nieminen and No. 18-ranked Vince Spadea. He also has wins over Donald Young and Alexander Peya in the 2009 BNP Paribas Open.

“Because I would like to be a head coach at the collegiate level someday, I am looking forward to gaining experience with the Owls and helping the program reach the highest level possible,” concluded Jenkins.

Jenkins will conclude his professional playing career this summer, playing World Team Tennis for the New York Buzz. On Aug. 6, Jenkins will play an exhibition match at the Rx Optical/Greenleaf Trust & Greenleaf Hospitality Exhibition at Stowe Tennis Stadium on the campus of Kalamazoo College in Kalamazoo, Mich.

http://www.ksuowls.com/news/2010/6/9...609100232.aspx (http://www.ksuowls.com/news/2010/6/9/MGOLF_0609100232.aspx)

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:54 AM
I reckon that I might be exaggerating but I remember that in 1997 and 1999 Martina was definitely booed.
1997 was Venus first USO and she made the final.

I watched that final, people were supporting Venus as a long shot.
Hingis ruling the WTA than and nobody expected her to lose.

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:58 AM
Scoville Jenkins Joins Men's Tennis Staff

6/11/2010


KENNESAW, Ga. – The Kennesaw State University Department of Intercollegiate Athletics and head men’s tennis coach T.J. Greggs has announced that former professional tennis player, Scoville Jenkins, will join the staff as assistant men’s coach.

A native of Atlanta, Ga., Jenkins will officially assume his role as assistant coach on Aug. 12, announced Greggs in an introduction this afternoon at the KSU Convocation Center.

“I am very excited to be joining the coaching staff at Kennesaw State,” said Jenkins. “Coach Greggs and the entire staff has been very welcoming and I couldn’t ask for anything more.”

Jenkins was the first African-American to ever win the Boys' 18 USTA National Hard Court title in singles in the tournament's 89-year history when he captured the crown in 2004 in Kalamazoo, Mich. The six-year professional joins the Owls staff after a career that included appearances at the French Open and U.S. Open.

“There are only so many ways which I can say how excited we are to have someone with Scoville’s international experience and demeanor joining our program.” said Greggs. “This is going to help us become a much more competitive team in the Atlantic Sun Conference.”

During his career, Jenkins has played against the top names in tennis including Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Andy Roddick, Jarkko Nieminen and Jonas Bjorkman. In 2005, Jenkins defeated Swiss veteran George Bastl in the first round of the U.S. Open before falling to Nadal in the second round.

“I want to bring my experience as a former player to the Owls,” added Jenkins. “I will stress hard work, both on the court and in the classroom, and show them that with dedication and hard work, results will follow.”

Over his career, Jenkins has defeated several ranked opponents including No. 12-ranked Dominik Hrbaty, No. 13-ranked Nieminen and No. 18-ranked Vince Spadea. He also has wins over Donald Young and Alexander Peya in the 2009 BNP Paribas Open.

“Because I would like to be a head coach at the collegiate level someday, I am looking forward to gaining experience with the Owls and helping the program reach the highest level possible,” concluded Jenkins.

Jenkins will conclude his professional playing career this summer, playing World Team Tennis for the New York Buzz. On Aug. 6, Jenkins will play an exhibition match at the Rx Optical/Greenleaf Trust & Greenleaf Hospitality Exhibition at Stowe Tennis Stadium on the campus of Kalamazoo College in Kalamazoo, Mich.

http://www.ksuowls.com/news/2010/6/9...609100232.aspx (http://www.ksuowls.com/news/2010/6/9/MGOLF_0609100232.aspx)
So why is he planning to retire so soon?

LoveFifteen
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:01 AM
Jonathan, I totally understand your frustration. It happens everywhere though. There will always be groups of people who are ignorantly defensive like that. I dealt with a similar situation with a group of white Americans asking (in an accusatory manner) why I was cheering for Ghana in a World Cup match. Brush it off! Hope they didn't totally ruin the night for you.

Thanks, Mo. :)

It didn't ruin my whole night. It just made me frustrated. (And I felt like saying, "Actually, just so you know, I have been following Hingis for ages. She's my fave of all time. Etc. etc.)

And you are right. It does happen everywhere, and most Williams fans and most black Williams fans are not like that, just a few really obnoxious trolls on WTAWorld. Btw, I can totally see a group of white Americans getting upset about you rooting for Ghana and accusing you of not being loyal to the US. :sad:

tucker1989
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:16 AM
Just got back, had a great time! Martina and Venus both looked like they were having a lot of fun out there tonight, and the crowd really appreciated it. Neither was at their best, but does it really matter? The best part of the night was getting my copy of "Come to Win" personalized by Venus!

HRHoliviasmith
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:22 AM
People have the right to cheer for whomever they want. Tonight was the first time I had ever seen my favorite tennis player of all time playing live. I have the right to cheer for her without anyone judging me, especially when I could tell from their looks that they were thinking to themselves that race played a factor in my cheering. The looks I received were downright disgusted with me. Shocked, really.

And, yes, they were stupid, fat bitches. One of them was even sitting in my assigned seat. :shrug:

:haha:

moby
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:30 AM
And, yes, they were stupid, fat bitches. One of them was even sitting in my assigned seat. :shrug:Was that because she was fat, or because she was stupid?

Pureracket
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:30 AM
Scoville Jenkins Joins Men's Tennis Staff

6/11/2010


KENNESAW, Ga. – The Kennesaw State University Department of Intercollegiate Athletics and head men’s tennis coach T.J. Greggs has announced that former professional tennis player, Scoville Jenkins, will join the staff as assistant men’s coach.

A native of Atlanta, Ga., Jenkins will officially assume his role as assistant coach on Aug. 12, announced Greggs in an introduction this afternoon at the KSU Convocation Center.

“I am very excited to be joining the coaching staff at Kennesaw State,” said Jenkins. “Coach Greggs and the entire staff has been very welcoming and I couldn’t ask for anything more.”

Jenkins was the first African-American to ever win the Boys' 18 USTA National Hard Court title in singles in the tournament's 89-year history when he captured the crown in 2004 in Kalamazoo, Mich. The six-year professional joins the Owls staff after a career that included appearances at the French Open and U.S. Open.

“There are only so many ways which I can say how excited we are to have someone with Scoville’s international experience and demeanor joining our program.” said Greggs. “This is going to help us become a much more competitive team in the Atlantic Sun Conference.”

During his career, Jenkins has played against the top names in tennis including Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Andy Roddick, Jarkko Nieminen and Jonas Bjorkman. In 2005, Jenkins defeated Swiss veteran George Bastl in the first round of the U.S. Open before falling to Nadal in the second round.

“I want to bring my experience as a former player to the Owls,” added Jenkins. “I will stress hard work, both on the court and in the classroom, and show them that with dedication and hard work, results will follow.”

Over his career, Jenkins has defeated several ranked opponents including No. 12-ranked Dominik Hrbaty, No. 13-ranked Nieminen and No. 18-ranked Vince Spadea. He also has wins over Donald Young and Alexander Peya in the 2009 BNP Paribas Open.

“Because I would like to be a head coach at the collegiate level someday, I am looking forward to gaining experience with the Owls and helping the program reach the highest level possible,” concluded Jenkins.

Jenkins will conclude his professional playing career this summer, playing World Team Tennis for the New York Buzz. On Aug. 6, Jenkins will play an exhibition match at the Rx Optical/Greenleaf Trust & Greenleaf Hospitality Exhibition at Stowe Tennis Stadium on the campus of Kalamazoo College in Kalamazoo, Mich.

http://www.ksuowls.com/news/2010/6/9...609100232.aspx (http://www.ksuowls.com/news/2010/6/9/MGOLF_0609100232.aspx) He's put on some weight, and it looks good on him too. He seemed underweight when he played.

Stamp Paid
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:35 AM
Jenkins does have a small belly. He played very poorly tonight. Hingis is very rusty and Venus's serve was really poor tonight.

Hingis did have a few vintage touch points though.

An older couple tried to give Hingis two homemade cupcakes after the match. Creepy! She said "thanks so much, but I'm on a diet."

I sat next to a large group of black women during the match. Towards the end, I said "Come on, Martina" and about seven of them turned to look at me with looks of disdain and disgust. One of them even laughed out loud and scoffed while looking in my eyes, "mmm, well, okaaaaay then!"

Reminded me of the obnoxious fans on this board who constantly insinuate things about Americans who don't root for the Williams when playing a non-American.

The stupid fat bitches next to me acted like I had no right to cheer for Hingis.Well. You got a taste of what I get the majority of the time from non-black tennis fans. :shrug:

Stamp Paid
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:45 AM
oh and Scoville is off tour and accessible...? Up in Kennesaw?
http://i25.tinypic.com/53k6kg.gif

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:46 AM
Well. You got a taste of what I get the majority of the time from non-black tennis fans. :shrug:
And it is an average day for lots of non-white people.

Unfortunately, when they mentioned these stories they are accused of playing the race card or being oversensitive.

This is not to dismiss lovefifteen experience, just remind everyone it happens all the time to some posters here.

Dave.
Jul 8th, 2010, 06:03 AM
People have the right to cheer for whomever they want. Tonight was the first time I had ever seen my favorite tennis player of all time playing live. I have the right to cheer for her without anyone judging me, especially when I could tell from their looks that they were thinking to themselves that race played a factor in my cheering. The looks I received were downright disgusted with me. Shocked, really.

And, yes, they were stupid, fat bitches. One of them was even sitting in my assigned seat. :shrug:

Thats a shame. Hopefully it didn't ruin the night for you and seeing your no1 fave for the first time completely overshadowed it. I saw Lindsay (my favourite ever) play for the first time just this Wimbledon, I was sooooo happy! :inlove: :sobbing:


Was that because she was fat, or because she was stupid?

:sobbing:

Slutiana
Jul 8th, 2010, 06:15 AM
I hope someone recorded this. :sad:

edificio
Jul 8th, 2010, 07:17 AM
Thanks, Mo. :)

It didn't ruin my whole night. It just made me frustrated. (And I felt like saying, "Actually, just so you know, I have been following Hingis for ages. She's my fave of all time. Etc. etc.)

And you are right. It does happen everywhere, and most Williams fans and most black Williams fans are not like that, just a few really obnoxious trolls on WTAWorld. Btw, I can totally see a group of white Americans getting upset about you rooting for Ghana and accusing you of not being loyal to the US. :sad:

I seriously think you have a problem. You seem to be the one doing the dividing up of the world, white, black, fat, stupid, whatever. I hope you are very young. If not, I feel sorry for you. If you are, I hope you grow up.

If you want to cheer someone at a sporting event, cheer them on. Who cares if someone gives you a funny look? No, instead you create some theory that black fans this or nonblack fans do that. And somehow you come out the victim and it proves your self-deluded theory. Come on. It is ridiculous, to say the least. You might want to get help with that problem, or just grow up. Do what you want. Cheer who you wish for, and don't give a damn about what anyone says. That's called living your life. Instead you just sound whiny, pathetic, and the perpectual victim of those horrid people out there.

I give up. :help:

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 07:42 AM
I hope someone recorded this. :sad:

WTT Venus d. Hingis. The file was only 175 MB, but 31 minutes long. I had to split it in 4 parts ugh

d3kDewUuY0Y

Martian Stacey
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:12 AM
WTT Venus d. Hingis. The file was only 175 MB, but 31 minutes long. I had to split it in 4 parts ugh

d3kDewUuY0Y

Thanks! :D

Just Do It
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:32 AM
What was the result ?

toby345
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:36 AM
5-4 for Venus

The Witch-king
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:51 AM
People have the right to cheer for whomever they want. Tonight was the first time I had ever seen my favorite tennis player of all time playing live. I have the right to cheer for her without anyone judging me, especially when I could tell from their looks that they were thinking to themselves that race played a factor in my cheering. The looks I received were downright disgusted with me. Shocked, really.

And, yes, they were stupid, fat bitches. One of them was even sitting in my assigned seat. :shrug:

Would you like to go see Venus for the first time ever, cheer for her, and have a large group of white women turn to look at you right in the face with looks of disgust and contempt, and then have one of them laugh and shake her head, saying "Ohhh, mmmhmmm, okaaaaay then!" :shrug:

All I can say is I've dealt with the same shit on this board when it comes to supporting Hingis over the Williams. I have had people insinuate that it's about race and that I'm a disloyal American.

Oh well. :shrug:

Maybe they just don't like Hingis. She hasn't got the most squeaky clean reputation you know.

And it's interesting that your mind immediately went to the race issue. Believe it or not, black people are capable of formulating opinions that aren't founded in race :eek:

Jonathan, I totally understand your frustration. It happens everywhere though. There will always be groups of people who are ignorantly defensive like that. I dealt with a similar situation with a group of white Americans asking (in an accusatory manner) why I was cheering for Ghana in a World Cup match. Brush it off! Hope they didn't totally ruin the night for you.

They would never ask German Americans, Italian Americans, Greek American why they are cheering Germany, Italy and Greece respectively.

And If Ireland is playing, Irish bars even fly Irish flags.
Yup.

mykarma
Jul 8th, 2010, 02:58 PM
[QUOTE]Would you like to go see Venus for the first time ever, cheer for her, and have a large group of white women turn to look at you right in the face with looks of disgust and contempt, and then have one of them laugh and shake her head, saying "Ohhh, mmmhmmm, okaaaaay then!" :shrug:
What are you fvcking psychic that you can tell what these women that you've never seen before were thinking? Okaaay :shrug:

What happened to you happens at sporting events all the time so no, I wouldn't have thought those words were racially motivated no matter what race the women were. As a matter of fact that would have been the furtherest thing from my mind.

I go to sporting events all of the time and on occasion I'm sitting near fans of the opposing team who don't like that I'm rooting against their team. Many times people talk shit to me and I talk it back to them and we end up having a great time most of the time. Whoever wins has the last laugh.

If I paid my money and some white women wanted to talk shit about who I was rooting for then to bad for them. It's all about how you respond and IMO the women didn't threaten to kick your ass or threaten you in any way.

I have a cousin that use to be in the NBA and no matter where he played I would root for him. I had grown ass men talk shit to me but that was their fvcking problem. The majority of the time they were white men but on one occasion the guy was black. Once he found out whoI was related he wanted to get all chummy with me. Did I think just because the other guys weren't black they were racist, no. That would have been stupid of me. It's a sporting event for goodness sakes.

All I can say is I've dealt with the same shit on this board when it comes to supporting Hingis over the Williams. I have had people insinuate that it's about race and that I'm a disloyal American.
Hell, people say all kinds of bullshit on this board as do you. Obviously you take this board much to seriously.

mykarma
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:17 PM
Maybe they just don't like Hingis. She hasn't got the most squeaky clean reputation you know.

And it's interesting that your mind immediately went to the race issue. Believe it or not, black people are capable of formulating opinions that aren't founded in race :eek:




Yup.
this

brickhousesupporter
Jul 8th, 2010, 03:54 PM
I am going to share a situation that happen to me one year, when I was attending the Nasdaq100 tournament in Miami. I forget what year it was, after a while you can't remember specifically what year it was. Roddick was playing Chela on the center court, and I am not a Roddick fan. I have soften a little bit, as I now feel sorry for him. Needless to say, the crowd were all cheering for Roddick and me and my girlfriend were cheering for Chela. She was only doing it because she knew I hated Roddick. Well, the looks and hisses we were getting from the fans were ridiculous. At one point she looked at me and said I wish a mutha****** would, and we both busted out laughing. Eventually Roddick did lose the match and we started yelling yes.....yes.

Later that day, Serena was playing an asian girl I think it might have been Tammy. She got down early in the set and a couple of people around us were happy and cheering. We increased our support of Serena and they began to notice us, so they quieted down. During this match, there was a rain delay and when we got back, I noticed that those punk ass people moved to the other side of the section, so they could continue hating on Serena. I looked at them caught their eye and busted out laughing at them. It was hilarious. Listen I was not going to curb my support or fandom because I was in the midst of enemy territory and they should not either.

That is why I like Lakeisha. She may be the sole supporter of Venus and Serena and she doesn't give a damn if the other spectators like it or not. Thats sports people you pick a side, you talk smack and if your team wins you get to talk more smack, however, if they lose you listen to others talk smack about your team until they meet again.

Vlover
Jul 8th, 2010, 04:39 PM
I am going to share a situation that happen to me one year, when I was attending the Nasdaq100 tournament in Miami. I forget what year it was, after a while you can't remember specifically what year it was. Roddick was playing Chela on the center court, and I am not a Roddick fan. I have soften a little bit, as I now feel sorry for him. Needless to say, the crowd were all cheering for Roddick and me and my girlfriend were cheering for Chela. She was only doing it because she knew I hated Roddick. Well, the looks and hisses we were getting from the fans were ridiculous. At one point she looked at me and said I wish a mutha****** would, and we both busted out laughing. Eventually Roddick did lose the match and we started yelling yes.....yes.

Later that day, Serena was playing an asian girl I think it might have been Tammy. She got down early in the set and a couple of people around us were happy and cheering. We increased our support of Serena and they began to notice us, so they quieted down. During this match, there was a rain delay and when we got back, I noticed that those punk ass people moved to the other side of the section, so they could continue hating on Serena. I looked at them caught their eye and busted out laughing at them. It was hilarious. Listen I was not going to curb my support or fandom because I was in the midst of enemy territory and they should not either.

That is why I like Lakeisha. She may be the sole supporter of Venus and Serena and she doesn't give a damn if the other spectators like it or not. Thats sports people you pick a side, you talk smack and if your team wins you get to talk more smack, however, if they lose you listen to others talk smack about your team until they meet again.
:lol: At cheering against Americas golden boy.:lol: I'm basically indifferent to him and the ATP on the whole. I was rooting for him against Fed last year Wimbledon though and felt a bit sorry for him since especially because he is one of the few on the ATP who always defend the Sisters. Anyway it is interesting to hear of the reactions of some fans when you rooting against fellow Americans not named Williams.:lol: I hope to attend the USO this year and I might just try rooting against Oudin especially if she is loosing just for the hell and pay back for them rooting against my sweet Vee.:happy:

I'm totally with you on the highlighted portions and that is why I don't understand why people claim to "hate" on players because of their fans.:confused: I support or "hate" on players based on their own merits and view that totally separate from the individuals who I might not care for who may support various players. Sometimes I'm lucky to "hate" on both a fan and a player I don't like which makes it even more fun.:lol: Conversely there are posters I like who are fans of players on my shit list but they are usually the more sensible and reasonable ones anyway.

Yorker
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:07 PM
I am going to share a situation that happen to me one year, when I was attending the Nasdaq100 tournament in Miami. I forget what year it was, after a while you can't remember specifically what year it was. Roddick was playing Chela on the center court, and I am not a Roddick fan. I have soften a little bit, as I now feel sorry for him. Needless to say, the crowd were all cheering for Roddick and me and my girlfriend were cheering for Chela. She was only doing it because she knew I hated Roddick. Well, the looks and hisses we were getting from the fans were ridiculous. At one point she looked at me and said I wish a mutha****** would, and we both busted out laughing. Eventually Roddick did lose the match and we started yelling yes.....yes.

Later that day, Serena was playing an asian girl I think it might have been Tammy. She got down early in the set and a couple of people around us were happy and cheering. We increased our support of Serena and they began to notice us, so they quieted down. During this match, there was a rain delay and when we got back, I noticed that those punk ass people moved to the other side of the section, so they could continue hating on Serena. I looked at them caught their eye and busted out laughing at them. It was hilarious. Listen I was not going to curb my support or fandom because I was in the midst of enemy territory and they should not either.

That is why I like Lakeisha. She may be the sole supporter of Venus and Serena and she doesn't give a damn if the other spectators like it or not. Thats sports people you pick a side, you talk smack and if your team wins you get to talk more smack, however, if they lose you listen to others talk smack about your team until they meet again.



this x 1000

It makes the match that much better. I've said this before and i'll say it again, i'd love to fill a grand slam final between serena and henin with only fans from either side. Talk about yelling and harrassing, it'd be some good classic stuff.

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:44 PM
Maybe they just don't like Hingis. She hasn't got the most squeaky clean reputation you know.

And it's interesting that your mind immediately went to the race issue. Believe it or not, black people are capable of formulating opinions that aren't founded in race :eek:



Just like when obama won the election, he got around 50% of white america's vote and 96% of black america....The colour of the ppl involved is a big motivating factor for some.

I wudnt be surprised if venus and serena got this level of vote from black tennis fans. I woudlnt believe any black williams fan if they told me that venus and serena being black had nothing to do with supporting them.

mykarma
Jul 8th, 2010, 05:55 PM
Just like when obama won the election, he got around 50% of white america's vote and 96% of black america....The colour of the ppl involved is a big motivating factor for some.

I wudnt be surprised if venus and serena got this level of vote from black tennis fans. I woudlnt believe any black williams fan if they told me that venus and serena being black had nothing to do with supporting them.
Your post makes me think that you're the one with the motivating factor.

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 06:31 PM
I am going to share a situation that happen to me one year, when I was attending the Nasdaq100 tournament in Miami. I forget what year it was, after a while you can't remember specifically what year it was. Roddick was playing Chela on the center court, and I am not a Roddick fan. I have soften a little bit, as I now feel sorry for him. Needless to say, the crowd were all cheering for Roddick and me and my girlfriend were cheering for Chela. She was only doing it because she knew I hated Roddick. Well, the looks and hisses we were getting from the fans were ridiculous. At one point she looked at me and said I wish a mutha****** would, and we both busted out laughing. Eventually Roddick did lose the match and we started yelling yes.....yes.

Later that day, Serena was playing an asian girl I think it might have been Tammy. She got down early in the set and a couple of people around us were happy and cheering. We increased our support of Serena and they began to notice us, so they quieted down. During this match, there was a rain delay and when we got back, I noticed that those punk ass people moved to the other side of the section, so they could continue hating on Serena. I looked at them caught their eye and busted out laughing at them. It was hilarious. Listen I was not going to curb my support or fandom because I was in the midst of enemy territory and they should not either.

That is why I like Lakeisha. She may be the sole supporter of Venus and Serena and she doesn't give a damn if the other spectators like it or not. Thats sports people you pick a side, you talk smack and if your team wins you get to talk more smack, however, if they lose you listen to others talk smack about your team until they meet again.

This and I know the feeling especially at Nasdaq 100 :mad: The thing is I am very persuasive .Somehow, I always get the chicken-head (white, pink, black , purple) fans to join my support.:lol:

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 06:36 PM
Just like when obama won the election, he got around 50% of white america's vote and 96% of black america....The colour of the ppl involved is a big motivating factor for some.

I wudnt be surprised if venus and serena got this level of vote from black tennis fans. I woudlnt believe any black williams fan if they told me that venus and serena being black had nothing to do with supporting them.

This says more about you than meets the eye.:help: Many black folk were supporting Hilary Clinton, because they did not think Obama was ready . It's only when Bill and Hillary started acting the fool did they turn away from her. And for your information, there are many posters who claim to be black on this forum who do not support the sisters . I hope some of them respond in this thread.

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 06:49 PM
This says more about you than meets the eye.:help: Many black folk were supporting Hilary Clinton, because they did not think Obama was ready . It's only when Bill and Hillary started acting the fool did they turn away from her. And for your information, there are many posters who claim to be black on this forum who do not support the sisters . I hope some of them respond in this thread.

many black folk supporting hillary?...i'd go as far as saying "some black folk" supported hillary.

From what i have seen over the years of being on this board is that a large majority of those posters who are black have always supported venus and serena first and other players second. At most i would say 10% of ppl on this board who are black wuld support another player over venus and serena....and thats being generous.

fawnrc
Jul 8th, 2010, 07:07 PM
I'm black, support the Venus and Serena because they remind me of me and I understand their struggles and they make me proud to be a black American. Because of their struggles and the fact that they are able to keep a level head and usually stay away from trouble I have uber amounts of respect for those "sisters".

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 07:15 PM
I'm black, support the Venus and Serena because they remind me of me and I understand their struggles and they make me proud to be a black American. Because of their struggles and the fact that they are able to keep a level head and usually stay away from trouble I have uber amounts of respect for those "sisters".


:worship:....an honest post.


These are the reasons i think most black tennis fans support the williams sisters....and there is nothing wrong with that.....but respect that some ppl including myself cannot identify with being black or american....or with the struggles they have gone through...so am more likely to support someone that i identify with....like laura robson :tape:

croat123
Jul 8th, 2010, 07:16 PM
hingis played very well...she actually had triple match point

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 07:23 PM
many black folk supporting hillary?...i'd go as far as saying "some black folk" supported hillary.

From what i have seen over the years of being on this board is that a large majority of those posters who are black have always supported venus and serena first and other players second. At most i would say 10% of ppl on this board who are black wuld support another player over venus and serena....and thats being generous.


What planet are you from? In the very beginning Hillary Clinton had the full support of the black community and that is out of respect for her husband whom they jokingly called the "first black president". Many of the black congress men and others in the community who endorsed her began dropping like flies after Iowa. Anyway, I don't think it's necessary to try to reason with you. Why don't you question the white posters who will only support white players ? :help:The bottom-line is your narrow mind has already been made up. Black people only support the sisters because of their race :lol:

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 07:26 PM
What planet are you from? In the very beginning Hillary Clinton had the full support of the black community and that is out of respect for her husband whom they jokingly called the "first black president". Many of the black congress men and others in the community who endorsed her began dropping like flies after Iowa. Anyway, I don't think it's necessary to try to reason with you. The bottom-line is your narrow mind has already been made up. Black people only support the sisters because of their race :lol:


I totally agree with yu...i do think MOST black ppl support the sisters because they are black....i am not denying that...its what i think!

Call me narrow minded.....i call it realistic....and i think most ppl know its the truth aswel .

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 07:32 PM
I totally agree with yu...i do think MOST black ppl support the sisters because they are black....i am not denying that...its what i think!

Call me narrow minded.....i call it realistic....and i think most ppl know its the truth aswel .

http://i25.tinypic.com/b8k1j.gif

Cam'ron Giles
Jul 8th, 2010, 08:13 PM
That thing down at the bottom of the page that highlights words on the bottom of the page had these words in this exact order...
Maria Sharapova (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Maria%20Sharapova&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440) Lady Aga (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Lady%20Aga&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440) Blew Venus (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Blew%20Venus&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440) Reason Hingis (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Reason%20Hingis&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440) Page 6-Tomorrow Nite (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Page%206-Tomorrow%20Nite&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440) Page 2-Do (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Page%202-Do&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440) Venus Everytime (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Venus%20Everytime&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440) Hingis Attitude (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Hingis%20Attitude&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440) Venus Hingis (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Venus%20Hingis&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440) Denigrating Hingis (http://www.asterpix.com/tagcloudclick/?id=2437441&url=http%3A//tennisforum.asterpix.com/cy/2437441/%3Fq%3D&tag=Denigrating%20Hingis&q=page%20venus%20nite&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennisforum.com%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D414146%26amp%3Bpage%3D6&ct=3&t=1278548440)
BTW, the Venus/Hingis...Black/White fight is soooo ten years ago...:o

mykarma
Jul 8th, 2010, 08:41 PM
:worship:....an honest post.


These are the reasons i think most black tennis fans support the williams sisters....and there is nothing wrong with that.....but respect that some ppl including myself cannot identify with being black or american....or with the struggles they have gone through...so am more likely to support someone that i identify with....like laura robson :tape:
So the reason you don't like Venus and Serena is because they're black.

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 09:49 PM
So the reason you don'y like Venus and Serena is because she's black.


I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:20 PM
I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.
And you support Kim because she is white

brickhousesupporter
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:42 PM
I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.
We will, just as soon as white people admit they don't like them because they are black. Deal?

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:51 PM
I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.

Black folk do not need to answer to you and anyone else. Why don't you quiz all the white posters or the Asian posters?:rolleyes:

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:55 PM
We will, just as soon as white people admit they don't like them because they are black. Deal?

why do white ppl have to "not like them" :confused:

Do black people that support venus and serena not like the white players? No, i am sure they do like some.....but will still root for venus and serena to win cos they are black.

debby
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:57 PM
We will, just as soon as SOME white people admit they don't like them because they are black. Deal?

Corrected. Gosh, I hate people who see racism everywhere.

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:58 PM
Black folk do not need to answer to you and anyone else. Why don't you quiz all the white posters or the Asian posters?:rolleyes:


I am not asking you to answer to me or anyone else....just be honest with yourselves.....:rolleyes:

Midnight_Robber
Jul 8th, 2010, 10:59 PM
And the mods around here are... useless as ever but what's new? :rolleyes:

How does "who is going to the Hingis match tommorrow night?" grotesquely morph into: "waaaah! Some fat, BLACK bitches were *mean* to me and they gave me the side-eye *sniffle*" followed by a grand announcement that all black fans like Venus because of some shared melanin... :help:

And this is happening 2010...

To the poster who initiated this? As other posters have pointed out, sports fans are generally quite bitchy, hostile and parochial with a "my team vs. your team" attitude and will eyeball anyone who they perceive to be rooting "against" their 'team' or 'player' - so why are you making race an issue? I bet if they were white fans who gave you a dirty look, while Hingis was playing Oudin on court all we would have heard from you was that some fat bitches looked at you sideways with NO mention of race, and that would have been that. But throw in some melanin and suddenly we have a "race" issue and a fit of the vapours :rolleyes: If you were black, the situation had been reversed, and had written *that* post you'd have already been accused of "playing the race card" or whatever and heartily dismissed. But of course, white people *can't* ever play the race card. :rolleyes:

So essentially what we get is: "They gave me a dirty look because..I'm white." :lol: Boo-hoo. Obviously, if you're going to cower at a mere look, then you're way too fragile for sports.

As for Bezz - lord, I *almost* have no words for the sheer and utter racist stupidity of his/her posts.

But it's great to know that as a black tennis fan, all those years of rooting for Lendl, Becker, hoping that Ivanesevic would finally break his Wimbledon drought, retrospectively watching Borg matches, being excited by the emergence of Monica, loving Guga, being fond of Safin, and cheering for Nadal - is because... Well, you tell me *why* I've supported these people since you seem to be the all knowing non-black expert who *knows* who black tennis fans gravitate towards and why. :rolleyes:

Using your "logic" the real connundrum for me, and for many other black fans who like EITHER Venus OR Serena but not both, is how on earth "race" comes into it? Unless of course, you're trying to suggest that I'm a fan of Venus - because we're both black - but I'm not a fan of Serena because...she's somehow - 'not black'? Because she's white/asian/arabic etc.? Help me out here.

Bezz - If you support people because they happen to share your skin-tone - why don't you be 'honest' with yourself and the rest of us, just come out and admit it and stop projecting your insular, unhealthy screwed up crap on to other people. If that's how *you* think then that's your problem. If you choose who you support on the basis of race, then fine. Own it! Live it! Love it!

And as for the so-called "mods" - is there anywhere on this forum where black tennis fans can just like whoever the hell they like in peace without people who aren't black assuming the authority to 'explain' their tastes to them? :rolleyes: Really? Is there?

brickhousesupporter
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:00 PM
why do white ppl have to "not like them" :confused:

Do black people that support venus and serena not like the white players? No, i am sure they do like some.....but will still root for venus and serena to win cos they are black.

Corrected. Gosh, I hate people who see racism everywhere.

You both missed the point of that comment Bezz labelled all blacks with a single train of thought. I in turn labelled all white people with a single train of thought. It works both ways.:lick:

spencercarlos
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:06 PM
When this stopped being the discussion of a WTT match to become a race discussion :rolleyes:

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:09 PM
Originally Posted by Bezz http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images2007/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18125113#post18125113)
I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.

Black folk do not need to answer to you and anyone else. Why don't you quiz all the white posters or the Asian posters?:rolleyes:

Bezz comes accross as either someone who has been thinking/inching about making this point for awhile and was looking for a chance to do so.
Or s/he makes this point often on some other board where race is involved, this is a line of argument.

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:09 PM
You both missed the point of that comment Bezz labelled all blacks with a single train of thought. I in turn labelled all white people with a single train of thought. It works both ways.:lick:

I didnt label ALL black ppl at all....i said "most" and "majority".

As for gettin the mods involved, these discussions and debates happen all the time in the real world...ive not set out to directly insult anyone or used foul language..so i fail to see what its got to do with them.

Infiniti2001
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:10 PM
And the mods around here are... useless as ever but what's new? :rolleyes:

How does "who is going to the Hingis match tommorrow night?" grotesquely morph into: "waaaah! Some fat, BLACK bitches were *mean* to me and they gave me the side-eye *sniffle*" followed by a grand announcement that all black fans like Venus because of some shared melanin... :help:

And this is happening 2010...

To the poster who initiated this? As other posters have pointed out, sports fans are generally quite bitchy, hostile and parochial with a "my team vs. your team" attitude and will eyeball anyone who they perceive to be rooting "against" their 'team' or 'player' - so why are you making race an issue? I bet if they were white fans who gave you a dirty look, while Hingis was playing Oudin on court all we would have heard from you was that some fat bitches looked at you sideways with NO mention of race, and that would have been that. But throw in some melanin and suddenly we have a "race" issue and a fit of the vapours :rolleyes: If you were black, the situation had been reversed, and had written *that* post you'd have already been accused of "playing the race card" or whatever and heartily dismissed. But of course, white people *can't* ever play the race card. :rolleyes:

So essentially what we get is: "They gave me a dirty look because..I'm white." :lol: Boo-hoo. Obviously, if you're going to cower at a mere look, then you're way too fragile for sports.

As for Bezz - lord, I *almost* have no words for the sheer and utter racist stupidity of his/her posts.

But it's great to know that as a black tennis fan, all those years of rooting for Lendl, Becker, hoping that Ivanesevic would finally break his Wimbledon drought, retrospectively watching Borg matches, being excited by the emergence of Monica, loving Guga, being fond of Safin, and cheering for Nadal - is because... Well, you tell me *why* I've supported these people since you seem to be the all knowing non-black expert who *knows* who black tennis fans gravitate towards and why. :rolleyes:

Using your "logic" the real connundrum for me, and for many other black fans who like EITHER Venus OR Serena but not both, is how on earth "race" comes into it? Unless of course, you're trying to suggest that I'm a fan of Venus - because we're both black - but I'm not a fan of Serena because...she's somehow - 'not black'? Because she's white/asian/arabic etc.? Help me out here.

Bezz - If you support people because they happen to share your skin-tone - why don't you be 'honest' with yourself and the rest of us, just come out and admit it and stop projecting your insular, unhealthy screwed up crap on to other people. If that's how *you* think then that's your problem. If you choose who you support on the basis of race, then fine. Own it! Live it! Love it!

And as for the so-called "mods" - is there anywhere on this forum where black tennis fans can just like whoever the hell they like in peace without people who aren't black assuming the authority to 'explain' their tastes to them? :rolleyes: Really? Is there?

:worship::worship::worship:

brickhousesupporter
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:11 PM
I didnt label ALL black ppl at all....i said "most" and "majority".

As for gettin the mods involved, these discussions and debates happen all the time in the real world...ive not set out to directly insult anyone or used foul language..so i fail to see what its got to do with them.
Originally Posted by Bezz http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images2007/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18125113#post18125113)
I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.

tennisbum79
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:11 PM
When this stopped being the discussion of a WTT match to become a race discussion :rolleyes:
Well, that is how these board goes.

It is hard to exhaust a discussion with Venus/Serna name without injecting race in it.

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:15 PM
Originally Posted by Bezz http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images2007/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18125113#post18125113)
I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.

OK miss fletcher..that post also includes "primarily"..alooding to the fact i recognise that some black ppl dont just support them becuase they are black.....although if yu had read the posts before them then yu would have known i wasnt refering to ALL.

Midnight_Robber
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:17 PM
why do white ppl have to "not like them" :confused:

Do black people that support venus and serena not like the white players? No, i am sure they do like some.....but will still root for venus and serena to win cos they are black.

:haha: Oh good - so if we're black but support white/asian/middle eastern players etc. then we're allowed to do that - and some of us may *even* do that. But the second that we like anyone who is black it can only ever be on the basis of race.

So if I like vintage Guga - it's because of his gorgeous, fluid background, and loping movement.

But if I like vintage Venus - it wouldn't be because of her movement, athleticism or backhand down the line - but because she's black and I'm black!

If I like Sinead O'Connor - it's because of her voice, her look, her political committment, her bravery and her lyrics.

But if I like Janelle Monae - it wouldn't be because of her singing, her dancing, her style, her creative risk-taking or her lyrics - but because she's black and I'm black!

Woo. It's the solution to everything and the easy way to explain all black people's tastes!

Seriously, reading your posts makes me think that people should have to get a license before they're allowed to write anything on the internet.

brickhousesupporter
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:22 PM
OK miss fletcher..that post also includes "primarily"..alooding to the fact i recognise that some black ppl dont just support them becuase they are black.....although if yu had read the posts before them then yu would have known i wasnt refering to ALL.
Primarily does not change the meaning of the collective "black people", it just highlights the primary motivation of the collective "black people".

Bezz
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:24 PM
Primarily does not change the meaning of the collective "black people", it just highlights the primary motivation of the collective "black people".


But if yu had read my previous posts...which i know yu did as yu quoted some of them....then yu would have also noticed the use of most and majority..... did yu not?

tom62
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:24 PM
hingis rules :) :) :)

Stamp Paid
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:28 PM
When this stopped being the discussion of a WTT match to become a race discussion :rolleyes:Because Bezz said something really inflammatory.

Continuer.

tucker1989
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:31 PM
When this stopped being the discussion of a WTT match to become a race discussion :rolleyes:

Agreed. As someone who was actually at the match, which was so much fun, it's frustrating to see this thread veer into such ugly territory. It needs to be locked or moved to non-tennis, because this clearly has taken a horrible detour away from Venus and Martina.

Midnight_Robber
Jul 8th, 2010, 11:48 PM
Agree with Tucker to an extent, but please understand people's frustration at Bezz's nonsense, only to have Spencer Carlos or whoever wade in and then play at faux-innocence - "why is this suddenly about race". Yeah right - almost as if to suggest this thread spiralled out of control all on it's own; or as if that piqued Hingis fan and Bezz weren't the culprits responsible for needlessly introducing race the discussion. Posters like Moby also use similar tactics and get away with it.

And there is this equally disingenuous tendency for mods to do absolutely nothing, allow things to get well out of hand where posters are free to post inflammatory post after post. People naturally get insulted and are put in a position where they feel they should to respond - since of course, the mods aren't doing anything and have this hands-off, laissez-faire approach when it come to race. Those that respond or take insult are then falsely conflated with those who instigate and then it becomes 'equally' "everybody's" fault - or worse, the people who responded or attempted to defend themselves get to carry all the blame. (If they hadn't reacted then all would have been well etc. :rolleyes:)

To which I say: :bs:

That Hingis fan (can't remember their username) and Bezz should have kept their foolishness to themselves in the first place - and the mods should have been alert and jumped on this long before it ever got this point.

Anyway - to get back on track:

df6NEA5wAws

I thought much of this match was 'meh', but the replay at the beginning was reminiscent of their rallies of old.

Bezz
Jul 9th, 2010, 12:14 AM
ok i didnt actually set out to offend anyone with my posts...and apologise if anyone was. I was just stating how i see certain things in society and have the right to express my views....i dont believe any of the language i used was that bad either.

This was about the hingis-venus match....who have had one of the best rivalries in tennis :worship:

I would also like to add i was not instructed to do this by any mods....i havernt heard anything from them.

:cool:

tennisbum79
Jul 9th, 2010, 12:29 AM
ok i didnt actually set out to offend anyone with my posts...and apologise if anyone was. I was just stating how i see certain things in society and have the right to express my views....i dont believe any of the language i used was that bad either.

This was about the hingis-venus match....who have had one of the best rivalries in tennis :worship:

I would also like to add i was not instructed to do this by any mods....i havernt heard anything from them.

:cool:
Well, as I posted earlier in this thread, you seem very intented to make the point that the vast majority of posters on this thread like Venus and Serena because they are of the same race:black.

And nothing, I mean nothing at all, was going to stop you from driving home that point.
You even ended by "End of .", as if to say, "yeah, I have finally done it. I am so relieved"

Midnight_Robber
Jul 9th, 2010, 12:35 AM
ok i didnt actually set out to offend anyone with my posts...and apologise if anyone was. I was just stating how i see certain things in society and have the right to express my views....i dont believe any of the language i used was that bad either.

Apologies go down so much better when they're straightforward, to the point and don't try to justify the offense. They maybe "your views", but try and understand that stereotyping an entire group of people will usually get an adverse reaction - doesn't matter who the group is. :rolleyes: And whether you realise it or not, even if you truly believe that everyone's black people's tastes, and choices in who they support etc. are solely determined by race - :o - and have the utter right to state it and publicly embarrass yourself in the process - you also have the accompanying 'right' to deal with whatever responses and consequences that come with that "freedom of expression" - i.e. namely that some posters will be angry/annoyed/offended, may speak out against you and may even regard you from this point on as ignorant, racist with an extremely low IQ.

That's kind of how cause and effect - say something stupid, thoughtless and inflammatory - and you pay the price. And as you've pointed out yourself, no-one has actually prevented you from speaking your mind. You've *more* than had your say. Now other people are having theirs. :devil: That's how dialogue works.

And like it or not, you're delving into some seriously ugly territory. What next? Asian fans only support Asian players? Whites only support other white players? Or is it only some super-special secret knowledge of the ways of black fans that have caused you to single us out? :rolleyes:

It's a losing non-argument, it's discriminatory and it can't be justified. Just stop digging already.

This was about the hingis-venus match....who have had one of the best rivalries in tennis :worship:

...No kidding. And at last - something to do with the actual tennis from you.

I would also like to add i was not instructed to do this by any mods....i havernt heard anything from them.

:cool:

:eek:...*gasps* Really!!!!
Whatta surprise...:rolleyes:

Bezz
Jul 9th, 2010, 12:42 AM
midnight robber...can yu actually just not get involved...cos your rather irritating.

Like tennisbaum said... i wanted to make a point and express my opinion and i did...

End of ;)

tennisbum79
Jul 9th, 2010, 12:45 AM
midnight robber...can yu actually just not get involved...cos your rather irritating.

Like tennisbaum said... i wanted to make a point and express my opinion and i did...

End of ;)
I am glad you agree with me. However that was not a compliment

Bezz
Jul 9th, 2010, 12:48 AM
I am glad you agree with me. However that was not a compliment

not to worry.....I didnt take it as one :)

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2010, 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by Bezz http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images2007/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18125113#post18125113)
I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.
Another one from Beez
I woudlnt believe any black williams fan if they told me that venus and serena being black had nothing to do with supporting them.

moby
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:01 AM
Agree with Tucker to an extent, but please understand people's frustration at Bezz's nonsense, only to have Spencer Carlos or whoever wade in and then play at faux-innocence - "why is this suddenly about race". Yeah right - almost as if to suggest this thread spiralled out of control all on it's own; or as if that piqued Hingis fan and Bezz weren't the culprits responsible for needlessly introducing race the discussion. Posters like Moby also use similar tactics and get away with it.Dear self-proclaimed TF moral vigilante,

I do not recall using "tactics" to needlessly introduce race into any discussion, nor playing the faux-innocence card. There's usually a reason for me to say what I'm saying. Your accusations are rather tiresome.

Sincerely,
moby

LoveFifteen
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:01 AM
Was that because she was fat, or because she was stupid?

I don't know why she was in my seat, but it wasn't because she was fat. :lol:

Well. You got a taste of what I get the majority of the time from non-black tennis fans. :shrug:

It's awful, and I am very sorry that you've experience it, too, and much more often than I have. :sad:

I seriously think you have a problem. You seem to be the one doing the dividing up of the world, white, black, fat, stupid, whatever. I hope you are very young. If not, I feel sorry for you. If you are, I hope you grow up.

If you want to cheer someone at a sporting event, cheer them on. Who cares if someone gives you a funny look? No, instead you create some theory that black fans this or nonblack fans do that. And somehow you come out the victim and it proves your self-deluded theory. Come on. It is ridiculous, to say the least. You might want to get help with that problem, or just grow up. Do what you want. Cheer who you wish for, and don't give a damn about what anyone says. That's called living your life. Instead you just sound whiny, pathetic, and the perpectual victim of those horrid people out there.

I give up. :help:

I've read several times over the years on this message board in several different threads that Americans who support Hingis (or Clijsters, Sharapova, etc.) over the Williams are motivated by racism because people should normally support players from their own countries first. Remember, for example, the long thread arguing about how Venus didn't get enough support during the 2005 US Open QF against Kim Clijsters?

It's true that I don't know what the women next to me were thinking, but their reaction wasn't the friendly ribbing of fans supporting the other team. They were hostile looks of disgust, followed by shaking of the head and laughter, as if to say, "Typical."

So, yes, it's true that I don't know what they were thinking, but all the context clues lead me to believe that they were thinking, "Yet another American rooting against Venus. I wonder why?"

Believe it or not, black people are capable of formulating opinions that aren't founded in race :eek:

Yes, I know. I was not trying to indict all black people, nor all Williams fans.


What are you fvcking psychic that you can tell what these women that you've never seen before were thinking? Okaaay :shrug:

What happened to you happens at sporting events all the time so no, I wouldn't have thought those words were racially motivated no matter what race the women were. As a matter of fact that would have been the furtherest thing from my mind.

I go to sporting events all of the time and on occasion I'm sitting near fans of the opposing team who don't like that I'm rooting against their team. Many times people talk shit to me and I talk it back to them and we end up having a great time most of the time. Whoever wins has the last laugh.

If I paid my money and some white women wanted to talk shit about who I was rooting for then to bad for them. It's all about how you respond and IMO the women didn't threaten to kick your ass or threaten you in any way.

I have a cousin that use to be in the NBA and no matter where he played I would root for him. I had grown ass men talk shit to me but that was their fvcking problem. The majority of the time they were white men but on one occasion the guy was black. Once he found out whoI was related he wanted to get all chummy with me. Did I think just because the other guys weren't black they were racist, no. That would have been stupid of me. It's a sporting event for goodness sakes.

Hell, people say all kinds of bullshit on this board as do you. Obviously you take this board much to seriously.

It's true that I have been to very few sporting events, and I have never cheered before at a sporting event in my life either. So I am not used to people talking shit to each other. It's not in my personality to talk shit to people in public, especially not middle aged people. They were in their late 40s or 50s. I'm in my late 20s. I'm reserved enough to where I didn't even feel comfortable telling a middle-aged woman that she was sitting in my seat. I just tried to find an empty one nearby.

But you are right, mykarma. I am not psychic and I don't know what they were thinking. I just felt that it was -- like I have experienced on this message board -- that they were implying I was a disloyal American and/or Venus-hating racist.

I think I am a respectful person in public and I don't like attention from strangers so I never would have cheered for Hingis if I'd known it would bother them and cause them to turn and look at me.

How does "who is going to the Hingis match tommorrow night?" grotesquely morph into: "waaaah! Some fat, BLACK bitches were *mean* to me and they gave me the side-eye *sniffle*" followed by a grand announcement that all black fans like Venus because of some shared melanin... :help:

To the poster who initiated this? As other posters have pointed out, sports fans are generally quite bitchy, hostile and parochial with a "my team vs. your team" attitude and will eyeball anyone who they perceive to be rooting "against" their 'team' or 'player' - so why are you making race an issue? I bet if they were white fans who gave you a dirty look, while Hingis was playing Oudin on court all we would have heard from you was that some fat bitches looked at you sideways with NO mention of race, and that would have been that. But throw in some melanin and suddenly we have a "race" issue and a fit of the vapours :rolleyes: If you were black, the situation had been reversed, and had written *that* post you'd have already been accused of "playing the race card" or whatever and heartily dismissed. But of course, white people *can't* ever play the race card. :rolleyes:

So essentially what we get is: "They gave me a dirty look because..I'm white." :lol: Boo-hoo. Obviously, if you're going to cower at a mere look, then you're way too fragile for sports.

(Just as an aside, I would never say "fat, black bitches" all together in a set phrase. It sounds racist and offensive. I wrote that I sat next to a "large group of black women". Then I later called them "stupid, fat bitches", and now that I've had a night of sleep to get over the disappointment, I admit that it was very rude and uncalled for, and I apologize.)

I'm not really a sporting event type of person, and I'm not used to the fan interaction that happens at sporting events. I do agree that black people are accused of playing the race card when they have legitimate complaints, and it's very unfair.

That Hingis fan (can't remember their username) and Bezz should have kept their foolishness to themselves in the first place - and the mods should have been alert and jumped on this long before it ever got this point.

I agree. I shouldn't have brought it up, especially not while angry enough to call them fat and stupid. I'm sorry.

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:02 AM
I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.
And you should go stick your head in the toilet and flush.

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by Bezz http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images2007/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=18125113#post18125113)
I never said i dont like them. ;)

Black ppl should just admit yu support them primarily because they are both black.

End of.



Bezz comes accross as either someone who has been thinking/inching about making this point for awhile and was looking for a chance to do so.
Or s/he makes this point often on some other board where race is involved, this is a line of argument.
Or is just a complete racist idiot. I have no clue how he/she can't see the hypocrisy of it's post.

Bezz
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:06 AM
And you should go stick your head in the toilet and flush.

:lol::tape:

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:09 AM
OK miss fletcher..that post also includes "primarily"..alooding to the fact i recognise that some black ppl dont just support them becuase they are black.....although if yu had read the posts before them then yu would have known i wasnt refering to ALL.
you also said that you wouldn't believe any black person that said they didn't like them because they are black. My question to you is do white fans like them because they are black also? Oh sorry, they can't be white people's favs because they're black.

Bezz
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:12 AM
I am not debating/discussing whatever yu want to call it anymore.....ive obviously hit a nerve with some of yu....its true what they say...the truth really does hurt.


Enjoy the rest of your day :wavey:

mykarma
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:17 AM
midnight robber...can yu actually just not get involved...cos your rather irritating.

Like tennisbaum said... i wanted to make a point and express my opinion and i did...

End of ;)
Well if that ain't an oxymoron. :rolleyes:

Midnight_Robber
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:30 AM
Dear self-proclaimed TF moral vigilante,

I do not recall using "tactics" to needlessly introduce race into any discussion, nor playing the faux-innocence card. There's usually a reason for me to say what I'm saying. Your accusations are rather tiresome.

Sincerely,
moby

:rolleyes: Oh, tut tut. You and your lack of recall... Yes, that malicious, calculated 'golliwog' nonsense around Serena that was introduced in a Justine thread that racialised it and caused it to spiral completely out of control...hmmm, that wasn't instigated by you was it? Of course not! Must have been some "other" poster... :rolleyes:

Bezz? But, but - I thought you were all for "freedom of speech" etc. and people being able to say whatever they like - or does that right only extend to you? In all seriousness, I'll post where and when I like, thanks.

Love-Fifteen? Peace!

moby
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:41 AM
:rolleyes: Oh, tut tut. You and your lack of recall... Yes, that malicious, calculated 'golliwog' nonsense around Serena that was introduced in a Justine thread that racialised it and caused it to spiral completely out of control...hmmm, that wasn't instigated by you was it? Of course not! Must have been some "other" poster... :rolleyes:I fail to see how that was "tactics", or how it was pointless. I also never denied it. Hence my point stands.
I don't think it spiralled out of control. No posts were ever cleaned up from that thread. It was a civilised discussion.

P.S. Oh actually, there was a post that was cleaned up. Marshmallow's insult of Justine. And the cleaning up was what started the discussion.

tennisbum79
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:43 AM
I am not debating/discussing whatever yu want to call it anymore.....ive obviously hit a nerve with some of yu....its true what they say...the truth really does hurt.


Enjoy the rest of your day :wavey:
So you took back the "apologies", w/o actually stating it.

One question, since you seem to be an expert on racial factor when ti comes to supporting players. What do you make of posters who support Venus or Serena, AND white players, such Maria, Ana, Henin, Kim, Lindsay, Selles, Capriati, JJ, Elena, Hingis, etc...
Better yet, those who support Venus but do not care for Serena; and vice-versa.

These people must really be messed up and self-hatting. Don't you think?

~CANUCK~
Jul 9th, 2010, 01:57 AM
Only on TF does a thread titled "Tomorrow Nite: Venus v Hingis! Who's Going???" turn into a race war. Congratulations guys, you have outdid yourself once again.