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serenafan08
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:34 PM
This has been a topic that's been on my mind for a while. What do you guys think is the best fit for player/surface? You know, it's like when this player steps on this surface they are unbeatable. My vote would be fore Chris Evert and clay; not only did she win 7 French Opens, but she won 125 straight matches on it, and no one has come close since then. Thoughts? Comments?

LudwigDvorak
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:38 PM
Wingis or Davenport indoors deserves a spot in the poll.

Vanity Bonfire
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:39 PM
Is this even a question? Evert on clay.

ys
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:39 PM
The best marriage between a player and a surface is Steffi Graf and tennis court.

Apoleb
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:40 PM
Tough one, as they all make great combinations. But I went for grass/Graf because it's really one of the more underrated ones. Graf's baseline game was most beautiful on grass. The combination of athleticism/speed/footwork/penetrating flat shots made her game look the best there. She could also occasianely come up with nice variety with drop shots, lobs and net attacks.

serenafan08
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:43 PM
The best marriage between a player and a surface is Steffi Graf and tennis court.
:lol: I considered a "Steffi Graf and all surfaces" option because she won so much everywhere.

Wingis or Davenport indoors deserves a spot in the poll.
What surfaces? They really didn't have one that stood out to me. Maybe Hingis and hard courts? Idk.

LudwigDvorak
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:43 PM
Seles + Rebound Ace should definitely be on here.

LudwigDvorak
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:44 PM
:lol: I considered a "Steffi Graf and all surfaces" option because she won so much everywhere.


What surfaces? They really didn't have one that stood out to me. Maybe Hingis and hard courts? Idk.

uh... Carpet? Philadelphia, Filderstadt, Zurich, YEC, Stuttgart, Tokyo, etc.

homogenius
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:47 PM
Maria and ice ? :shrug:

homogenius
Jun 30th, 2010, 03:48 PM
uh... Carpet? Philadelphia, Filderstadt, Zurich, YEC, Stuttgart, Tokyo, etc.

I think some were played on hard or at least switched from carpet to hard depending of the year.

dsanders06
Jun 30th, 2010, 04:06 PM
Safina and indoor grass. She's the only woman unbeaten on it. :)



In all seriousness, Evert on clay.

tennnisfannn
Jun 30th, 2010, 04:09 PM
it is only after their careers that we will be able to judge that.

Thanx4nothin
Jun 30th, 2010, 04:31 PM
:lol: @ most people saying evert on clay, yet only one voting for her in the poll

Serena on Hard.

Soliloque
Jun 30th, 2010, 04:56 PM
Kim Clijsters and any court in North America. She has won 15 titles there including 2 GS, 2 Masters and 5 Tier I.

Thanx4nothin
Jun 30th, 2010, 05:02 PM
Kim Clijsters and any court in North America. She has won 15 titles there including 2 GS, 2 Masters and 5 Tier I.

Excellent point actually....

DefyingGravity
Jun 30th, 2010, 05:32 PM
Kim Clijsters and the North American continent. She's won every event in North America on an outdoor hard court except for San Diego, Scottsdale, and Cincinnati:

Stanford: 2001, 2003, 2005, 2006
Los Angeles: 2003, 2005
Indian Wells: 2003, 2005
Miami: 2005, 2010
Rogers Cup: 2005
USO: 2005, 2009

Finalist:

San Diego: 2006

Leo_DFP
Jun 30th, 2010, 05:37 PM
Kim Clijsters and the North American continent. She's won every event in North America on an outdoor hard court except for San Diego, Scottsdale, and Cincinnati:

Stanford: 2001, 2003, 2005, 2006
Los Angeles: 2003, 2005
Indian Wells: 2003, 2005
Miami: 2005, 2010
Rogers Cup: 2005
USO: 2005, 2009

Finalist:

San Diego: 2006

+ Scottsdale F in 2002

I agree with Evert and clay. Close second is Navratilova and grass.

MegaDethly
Jun 30th, 2010, 05:39 PM
Serena and hardcourts? Er, *ahem* serenafan08 there is no such thing as a hardcourt specialist. It's an artificial court, it's a neutral playing surface, medium ball bounce, relatively fast. All the players in the poll are great on hardcourts, everyone who is good is good on hard courts.

Stop trying your best to include Serena in everything. She is very underwhelming compared to past, true greats.

Leo_DFP
Jun 30th, 2010, 05:46 PM
It's hard to vote Venus after watching her lose to Pironkova. Vee's opponent just totally outclassed her in using and thinking about the surface. Pironkova utilized the grass court to defeat her champion opponent, and Venus ended up looking awkward and uncomfortable. Navratilova is still the greatest Wimbledon champion, probably forever.

moby
Jun 30th, 2010, 06:28 PM
Clijsters and fast hardcourts is a strong candidate for the best marriage, but not the most unbeatable because Kim's base level is lower than those other players.

To put it in mathematical notation, let:
L(surface, player) be how good a player is on a surface,
B(player) be the player's base (overall tennis skills), and
S(surface, player) be surface factors.

Then with the right metric, roughly, we model L(surface, player) = f[B(player), S(surface, player)], where f is some function.
For ease of visualisation, imagine f to be simple multiplication, i.e. L(surface, player) = B(player) x S(surface, player)

So what I'm saying is that S(fast hard courts, Clijsters) = max S(surface, player), where we let surface and player range.

I think it's useful to make the distinction between the functions L and S.

P.S. I guess some mediocre claycourters have really high S-values, so maybe we have to restrict our observations to sufficiently high B's.
S(grass, Tanasugarn) is probably pretty high, but is not that interesting.

Belmont Lad
Jun 30th, 2010, 06:48 PM
Venus & Grass
Serena & Rebound Ace/Grass
Chris Evert & Clay
Martina Navritilova & Grass
Justine Henin & Clay
Monica Seles & Clay
Steffi Graf & All Surfaces :hearts:

tonybotz
Jun 30th, 2010, 08:45 PM
nothing, to me, comes close to Evert on clay. 125 win streak is unfathomable.

hurricanejeanne
Jun 30th, 2010, 08:59 PM
Wingis or Davenport indoors deserves a spot in the poll.

Very True those two were insane on the indoors.

I had trouble picking between Martina the First and Evert, but I went with Martina because 9 Wimbledons is 9 freakin Wimbledons.

toxina90
Jun 30th, 2010, 09:02 PM
Jaja on catwalk. :hearts:

Richie's
Jun 30th, 2010, 09:06 PM
Daniela Hantuchova and Indian Wells (Pan Pacific Open) Centre Court!

noamgdi
Jun 30th, 2010, 09:17 PM
serena and hard courts

serenafan08
Jul 1st, 2010, 04:59 PM
nothing, to me, comes close to Evert on clay. 125 win streak is unfathomable.

My thoughts exactly. Rafael Nadal was the closest player and he got to 88. That streak probably won't ever fall, then again we said that about the longest match in history and look what Isner/Mahut did.

bandabou
Jul 2nd, 2010, 07:31 AM
Serena and hardcourts? Er, *ahem* serenafan08 there is no such thing as a hardcourt specialist. It's an artificial court, it's a neutral playing surface, medium ball bounce, relatively fast. All the players in the poll are great on hardcourts, everyone who is good is good on hard courts.

Stop trying your best to include Serena in everything. She is very underwhelming compared to past, true greats.

:lol: 8 HC majors, 5 Miami's...not too shabby, me think.

Lord Choc Ice
Jul 2nd, 2010, 07:33 AM
Navrat-Grass.

samsam4087
Jul 2nd, 2010, 10:44 AM
Martina Navratilova and grass