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debby
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:32 PM
Kim !!! :worship:

She was very impressive.

:hug: Lucie.

Take the title Kim ! :bounce:

Aaron.
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:33 PM
Lucie you dumbass. Thanks for wasting 30 minutes of my life

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:33 PM
Lucie shat herself, shocking :help:

RenaSlam.
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:33 PM
Useless, Lucie. Absolutely useless.

Kim was flawless. Good luck against Vika.

muniu
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:33 PM
yay! :woohoo:

Mikey.
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:34 PM
Awesome from Kim :yeah:

Marionated
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:34 PM
:cool: Kim will win the title.

goldenlox
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:34 PM
Kim is playing very well this week.
Maybe she is 3rd choice at Wimbledon

Ingokoer
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:34 PM
Only 38 minutes :eek:

Hashim.
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:34 PM
38 minutes?:lol:

Kim:hearts: Well done:hug:

Lucie:unsure::hug:

SELVEN
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:34 PM
oh my gosh......38mins

Michael!
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:34 PM
:rolls:
Following Safarova is pretty funny, she can actually play great tennis here and there, but often she just plays pathetic, like today! Really just terrible tennis, couldnt keep one ball in, bad serving, great victim for Kim and her solid tennis! :spit:

olivero
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:35 PM
Good stuff from Kim!
Crushing the scrubs. Best of luck against Vika! :yeah:

Huntress55
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:35 PM
Well done Kim :yeah:

Lucie :hug:

adachi
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:35 PM
OMG this is GOAT performance, PERFECT groundstrokes and footwook from Kim!!!
Safarova won 22 points

Feyd
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:35 PM
Kim is playing very well this week.
Maybe she is 3rd choice at Wimbledon

Nah, she will bomb out in Wimbly.

Davodus
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:35 PM
Lucie sucks on grass, and in the wind :lol: I expected nothing better ;) Kim is playing well, she knows how to use the wind to make it really awkward and uncomfortable for the opponent.

Nice, friendly handshake though.

Harvs
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:35 PM
woooooo kimmy! :hearts:

Soliloque
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:35 PM
38 minutes. That was ridiculously abysmal from Safarova. Kim is in good form.

-NAJ-
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:36 PM
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5871/image06161534tv322.jpg

Vanity Bonfire
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:36 PM
:haha:

cellophane
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:37 PM
That was excellent from Kim. Again completely outclassed her opponent.

Lucie :hug:

Steff_forever
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:37 PM
unbelievable Kim... :bowdown:

the mother nature keeps on rolling through like there's no opponent on the other side of the net

Lucie never got into the match like Yani yesterday

Hagar
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Uh Kim, what did they put in that special shoe of yours? Dynamite?

Sarah<Kim-fan>
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Lucy didn't play great, but mostly because Kim constantly put her under pressure and hit winners from everywhere
impressive

lauraa00
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Lucie is not a good gardener... at all :lol:

This is i think the most ridiculous match of lucie i see ever :haha: :hug:
Very friendly handshake
Congrats kim :yeah:

debby
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:38 PM
Kim is playing very well this week.
Maybe she is 3rd choice at Wimbledon

This.

new-york
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:38 PM
*waits for the match to start.

... really?

oh. :sobbing:

Serenus Christ
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:39 PM
wheres the 'has kim clijsters peaked to early' thread?

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:39 PM
Vintage Kim. Clinical performance from her -- sharp serve, very solid off the ground and that BH CC works extremely well.

Just like seven years ago Clijsters demolishes the lower ranked opponents in under an hour.

DeliriousPotato
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:39 PM
OMG. Lucie :o
What a massacre

Steff_forever
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:39 PM
would you repeat this against Vika pls...

Beat
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:40 PM
why was safarova so scared? odd ...

keep it up, kim :yeah:

Misa&andylover
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:41 PM
Kim :worship:

38 min:eek:

Renalicious
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:42 PM
38 minutes omg.

Lucie was ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC. :help: :help: Seriously one of the worst performances of the year. It was a pile of shit. :help: Sorry Lucie. :tape:

cellardoor
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:42 PM
38 mins? :lol:

this is one of the shortest matches I've ever heard of. I think the shortest was a 35 mins match with capriati and - I might be off here - mattek

Miccor
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:42 PM
Wowie, 38 minutes... Was little Jada calling her, or what? I don't know which match was the last one that took under 40 minutes, she really was on fire! Anyway, this was some kind of one-way-traffic! ;)

#kArLoS#
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:43 PM
Wow...Yanina won two games but that match was much closer :cheer:

Ferg
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:43 PM
:unsure:

Convoluted
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:46 PM
:worship: 19-9 W-UE on a windy day :worship:

Richie's
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:47 PM
Kim. well done.

Libertango
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:47 PM
Did Safarova even care?! She seemed rather content at being hammered. :confused:

Well done Kim.

Mistress of Evil
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:48 PM
Nah, she will bomb out in Wimbly.

Nah, you wish.

John.
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:49 PM
38 Mins :rolls:

urklerlay
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:51 PM
wipeout.

Brena
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:51 PM
Lucie :cuckoo:

timafi
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:56 PM
go ahead Mama do your thing and whoop some asses:hatoff:

azmad_88
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:57 PM
clinical really! congrats kim!

bandabou
Jun 16th, 2010, 01:58 PM
Hmmm....now it's getting scary. :eek: :bolt: :scared: Too bad Juju ain't playing eastbourne...to see how good Kimmy REALLY is.

AcesHigh
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:00 PM
Win wimbledon Kimmie :hearts:



if venus doesnt win

debby
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:00 PM
Hmmm....now it's getting scary. :eek: :bolt: :scared: Too bad Juju ain't playing eastbourne...to see how good Kimmy REALLY is.

:spit:

Kim would lead 6-0 4-0 and brainfart, then Justine would lead 0-6 6-4 5-0 40-0 and Kim would win 6-0 4-6 7-6 ( 20) .

Dave.
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:02 PM
*waits for the match to start.

... really?

oh. :sobbing:


:lol:


38 minutes though, wow. :scared:

Andrewraven
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:10 PM
What an abysmal showing from lucie, so solid from kim, vika will be more a challenge though

Imperfect Angel
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:11 PM
Kim :worship:
Lucie :hug:

Roookie
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:13 PM
two beatdowns in a row...:eek:..let's make it three Kim :cheer:

wateva
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:14 PM
not the kim that i know recently but :D:D:D

Uranus
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:16 PM
Kim :inlove:

NeoZod19
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:21 PM
Kim really impresses me!! good for her!!

InsideOut.
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:30 PM
38 mins? :lol:

this is one of the shortest matches I've ever heard of. I think the shortest was a 35 mins match with capriati and - I might be off here - mattek

Kim holds the record I think...some 32-min wipeout of de los Rios at Wimbledon :lol:

ClijstersGOAT
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:30 PM
Hard to even call this a practice session, too short. Kim looks hungry for a grass title.

Belmont Lad
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:31 PM
Kimmie is back and laying the smack down! :worship: Love seeing this kind of motivation, let's carry it to the big W!

ClijstersGOAT
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:35 PM
Kim holds the record I think...some 32-min wipeout of de los Rios at Wimbledon :lol:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=75803

AnDrEi.b
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:36 PM
Win Wimbledon Kim ! :banana:

cellophane
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:37 PM
Kim is just lovely to watch when she plays like this :inlove:

So glad she is back

darkangel23
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:38 PM
WOW Kim :eek:

Congrats :yeah:

delicatecutter
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:40 PM
Kimmie!!!! :inlove: Keep it up girl!!

Poor Lucie didn't have a chance. :hug:

is1531
Jun 16th, 2010, 02:43 PM
Fantastic and amazing on Kim's win. Safarova was Pearl Harbored.

matty
Jun 16th, 2010, 03:12 PM
whoah--Lucie, that was rather pathetic.

KClijsters
Jun 16th, 2010, 03:14 PM
I really didn't expected such an easy match :eek:
Great Kim! :D
Good luck in the next round!

sky20748
Jun 16th, 2010, 03:37 PM
I saw the whole match. While Kim did play well all she had to do was show up. Lucie that is why she is no higher than she is. She is very inconsistent.Even the commentator said oh my Kim is playing well but nothing spectacular.She said all Kim had to do was show up lol and that Lucie just for some reason refuses to move Kim around. I totally agree. The real test will come at Wimbledon where she will get moved around by the better players. Lucie I dont know what to say about you because it was truly a pathetic display.Congrats Kim on your win.And to think she still has a bad foot haahhaahah

Slutati
Jun 16th, 2010, 03:38 PM
Ugh, disgusting. :rolleyes:

.Andrew.
Jun 16th, 2010, 03:54 PM
38 mins. :rolls: 3 games in 2 matches. Step it up, girls. :rolls: :help: :crying2:

Well done, Kim. Looking strong. :yeah:

Lucie :hug: :awww:

sCoTt.ChE.
Jun 16th, 2010, 03:59 PM
Lucie :help: :o :help:
Yeah it was grass where Lucie has only just won a match in a couple of years. Plus the windy conditions against the calibre of Kim.
But 38 minutes?! :tape: :tape: :tape: At least it was against a fellow lovely player.

Comebacksova
Jun 16th, 2010, 04:06 PM
Lucie sucks on grass, and in the wind :lol: I expected nothing better ;) Kim is playing well, she knows how to use the wind to make it really awkward and uncomfortable for the opponent.

Nice, friendly handshake though.
She won s'Hertogenbosch once. ;)

Libertango
Jun 16th, 2010, 04:09 PM
I saw the whole match. While Kim did play well all she had to do was show up. Lucie that is why she is no higher than she is. She is very inconsistent.Even the commentator said oh my Kim is playing well but nothing spectacular.She said all Kim had to do was show up lol and that Lucie just for some reason refuses to move Kim around. I totally agree. The real test will come at Wimbledon where she will get moved around by the better players. Lucie I dont know what to say about you because it was truly a pathetic display.Congrats Kim on your win.And to think she still has a bad foot haahhaahah
Pretty much. Kim was hitting the ball really well but Lucie was PATHETIC. Almost zero movement and toward the end, questionable effort. And she didn't seem to care; it was almost like she was telling Kim how much she loved her at the net. :tape:

sky20748
Jun 16th, 2010, 04:14 PM
Pretty much. Kim was hitting the ball really well but Lucie was PATHETIC. Almost zero movement and toward the end, questionable effort. And she didn't seem to care; it was almost like she was telling Kim how much she loved her at the net. :tape:

I know I was like ok Lucie what was the point in even showing up oh my bad ranking points and a check. Silly me :lol: A complete mess out there today. Not taking anything away from Kim cuz the saner person won, but Lucie:tape::help:

Edith09
Jun 16th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Practise session for Clijsters. Lucie can be so poor sometimes.

Lulu.
Jun 16th, 2010, 04:22 PM
Embarrassing Lucie. :tape:

DOUBLEFIST
Jun 16th, 2010, 04:47 PM
I get the sense, for all the talk of Juju coming back for Wimby, Clijsters has set her mind to it in a BIG way and now is really going after it.

Tennis Ball
Jun 16th, 2010, 04:52 PM
Speaking of .... their synchronic careers :eek:, Kim and Justine played, even started their matches at the same time. Even when playing different tourns, they can't help following one another. :lol:
First time I had to switch between 2 stations in my own watching-tennis career :angel:, "fortunately" the Dutch station hardly aired Justine, by multiply putting other shows in between. :help:

CrossCourt~Rally
Jun 16th, 2010, 05:26 PM
It looks like Kimmy is 100% fit and back to form :D:bounce:

gmak
Jun 16th, 2010, 05:35 PM
Kim :worship: :yeah: :rocker:
scary good :drool:

pedropt
Jun 16th, 2010, 06:06 PM
Great display from Kim! :rocker:

LudwigDvorak
Jun 16th, 2010, 06:24 PM
Already getting the Clijsters upset at Wimbledon vibe. Similar to Brisbane in which she posted thumping victories giving herself and her fans more confidence than they should have.

Still not convinced.

cellophane
Jun 16th, 2010, 06:27 PM
Yah, I have some Wimbledon upset vibes too... But I hope not :scared: She IS playing well though after 2 months of no tennis

DefyingGravity
Jun 16th, 2010, 06:37 PM
Hopefully Kim brings fight with this good play and really gets tested.

wateva
Jun 16th, 2010, 06:39 PM
given that her past 2 opponents just dropped dead and died for kim, i don't think it's a good gauge of kim's form going into wimbledon. let's see if kim can withstand vika (provided vika doesn't self destruct).

Sp!ffy
Jun 16th, 2010, 07:07 PM
Kim needs a real opponent for warmup. I want to see her get challenged :)

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 16th, 2010, 07:11 PM
Already getting the Clijsters upset at Wimbledon vibe. Similar to Brisbane in which she posted thumping victories giving herself and her fans more confidence than they should have.

She wasn't posting "thumping victories" at Brisbane. She was bagelled by the very same Safarova, for instance.

cellophane
Jun 16th, 2010, 07:15 PM
given that her past 2 opponents just dropped dead and died for kim, i don't think it's a good gauge of kim's form going into wimbledon. let's see if kim can withstand vika (provided vika doesn't self destruct).


I think Kim had something to do with it as well. She is just very consistent and doesn't give up much... hence some of the errors by Yanina/Lucie. Granted both have probably played better, but when Kim is such a wall, it's frustrating.

pav
Jun 16th, 2010, 07:27 PM
Didn't Puddingface just have a good win over her:confused: Lucie is still alive, it's not as if Pudding sat on her or anything.

Leo_DFP
Jun 16th, 2010, 08:28 PM
I get the sense, for all the talk of Juju coming back for Wimby, Clijsters has set her mind to it in a BIG way and now is really going after it.

I agree. She skipped RG and the entire clay season so she could be fresh for this.

I hope Venus, Serena, and Kim all perform well at this year's Wimbledon, and that they (and perhaps Henin, Sharapova, and Stosur if all in good form too) can meet in the very late rounds.

cn ireland
Jun 16th, 2010, 08:33 PM
Another impressive win from Kim:yeah:!

Kitten63
Jun 16th, 2010, 09:39 PM
Awesome win,Kim :bounce:

Lucie :hug:

Optima
Jun 16th, 2010, 09:45 PM
I can't stand how she just skipped the clay season like that.

Whatever, Kim.

Anyway...Lucie :spit:

Never in doubt.

sammy01
Jun 16th, 2010, 10:14 PM
love the result, love the score, love kim!

VishaalMaria
Jun 16th, 2010, 10:25 PM
Same old same old.

It reminds me of Brisbane where Kim totally dominated her opponents (until Justine of course).

Eduardo Oliveira
Jun 16th, 2010, 10:43 PM
:worship: Kim

Uranus
Jun 16th, 2010, 10:45 PM
Same old same old.

It reminds me of Brisbane where Kim totally dominated her opponents (until Justine of course).
You probably forgot about the bagel the same Lucie Safarova gave her, then.

Vikapower
Jun 16th, 2010, 10:55 PM
Kim is playing very well this week.
Maybe she is 3rd choice at Wimbledon
Kim beats 2 girls in the top 5 greatest inconsistent ballbashers of all time and she becomes a countender for Wimbledon already ? :eek: C'mon. What if Vika beats Kim does that make her a favourite for the title too ? :rolleyes: (:banana:)

ivanban
Jun 16th, 2010, 11:04 PM
:lol: Classic WTA, top30 player losing a match in under 40 minutes :help:

Corswandt
Jun 16th, 2010, 11:31 PM
I disagree with those who claim Safarova has always sucked on grass - she's actually a decent, if not good, grasscourter.

But today Clijsters didn't have to do all that much to expose Safarova's dismal ROS and lack of defensive skills. Safarova didn't seem to try as she very well knew that there was nothing she could do, and there was no point wasting any further effort on this the week before the English Open.

Still, that Clijsters' unspectacular (if rock solid) play is enough to annihilate two fairly good grasscourters in a row shows how much the standards of grasscourt tennis have declined over the last couple of years.

edificio
Jun 16th, 2010, 11:36 PM
Lucie "Inconsistent" Safarova.

Kim really used that break--she wasn't just tweeting.

Corswandt
Jun 16th, 2010, 11:46 PM
I disagree with those who claim Safarova has always sucked on grass - she's actually a decent, if not good, grasscourter.

But today Clijsters didn't have to do all that much to expose Safarova's dismal ROS and lack of defensive skills. Safarova didn't seem to try as she very well knew that there was nothing she could do, and there was no point wasting any further effort on this the week before the English Open.

Still, that Clijsters' unspectacular (if rock solid) play is enough to annihilate two fairly good grasscourters in a row shows how much the standards of grasscourt tennis have declined over the last couple of years.

What I was (clumsily) trying to say here was that I feel that Clijsters is getting blowout wins mostly on account of being consistent (and able to rally) on a surface in which nobody else manages to be in the least bit consistent these days.

cellophane
Jun 16th, 2010, 11:48 PM
The last couple of years though? Who were the better grasscourters a couple of years ago?

sammy01
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:03 AM
I disagree with those who claim Safarova has always sucked on grass - she's actually a decent, if not good, grasscourter.

But today Clijsters didn't have to do all that much to expose Safarova's dismal ROS and lack of defensive skills. Safarova didn't seem to try as she very well knew that there was nothing she could do, and there was no point wasting any further effort on this the week before the English Open.

Still, that Clijsters' unspectacular (if rock solid) play is enough to annihilate two fairly good grasscourters in a row shows how much the standards of grasscourt tennis have declined over the last couple of years.

i sort of agree, but i would say that it is not just grass but the tour in general she can expose with her rock solid and lethal groundies. i mean bar her match with henin she breezed through all the players in miami, moving the ball around and hitting her backhand in particular with great width.

there are so many players these days that if you keep UE to a minium and force them to do something out of their comfort zone they look stupid. it got caro to #2 in the world. i can only think of one player in the wimbledon draw (serena) who can match that sort of consistent power hitting and surpass it without making a bucket load of errors trying.

The Dawntreader
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:08 AM
i sort of agree, but i would say that it is not just grass but the tour in general she can expose with her rock solid and lethal groundies. i mean bar her match with henin she breezed through all the players in miami, moving the ball around and hitting her backhand in particular with great width.

there are so many players these days that if you keep UE to a minium and force them to do something out of their comfort zone they look stupid. it got caro to #2 in the world. i can only think of one player in the wimbledon draw (serena) who can match that sort of consistent power hitting and surpass it without making a bucket load of errors trying.

Venus?

VishaalMaria
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:09 AM
You probably forgot about the bagel the same Lucie Safarova gave her, then.

No actually I didn't but does that fact really dispute my point?

Kims known for beating these opponents often delivering beat downs but it's never an indicator of how well she'll do at the slams. For me, I'm not convinced Kim can deal with the outside pressure, she was a favourite for the AO title.

cellophane
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:14 AM
For me, I'm not convinced Kim can deal with the outside pressure, she was a favourite for the AO title.

That had nothing to do with pressure. She had a bad day at the office.

VishaalMaria
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:18 AM
That had nothing to do with pressure. She had a bad day at the office.

In your opinion of course.

I wasn't convinced.

Plus Nadia played quite well.

One could argue it was a bad day at the office because of the pressure.

We'll never know. If she continues to rack up these wins in Eastbourne with such ease SOME tennis experts may consider her a favourite and as I said, it'll be interesting to see how Kim handles that.

sammy01
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:19 AM
Venus?

after her 2 loses to kim since kim's comeback i think it is going to be very very tough for venus to hit kim off the court, which i feel she would need to do to win. if it gets into rallying, kim is faster, gets better width and has better 'connective' shots. i really think venus has to use 1, 2 strike tennis at a very high level to beat kim now. can she do it, yes, will she should they meet, i have my doubts.

people doubt kim's pedigree on grass, and while she may not have on paper that great a record on the surface, her last 3 outings at wimbledon have seen her take the eventual finalist to 3 sets in each of them.

cellophane
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:21 AM
One could argue it was a bad day at the office because of the pressure.

What pressure? :lol:

Please tell me what pressure she could have been under in a 3R match against Nadia who she'd NEVER lost to before? She played poorly from start to end... If it was Justine, maybe.

The only sign of mental fragility / poor coping with pressure from Kim since she came back has been in her matches with Henin, and she still managed to overcome that, unlike the past.

VishaalMaria
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:26 AM
after her 2 loses to kim since kim's comeback i think it is going to be very very tough for venus to hit kim off the court, which i feel she would need to do to win. if it gets into rallying, kim is faster, gets better width and has better 'connective' shots. i really think venus has to use 1, 2 strike tennis at a very high level to beat kim now. can she do it, yes, will she should they meet, i have my doubts.

people doubt kim's pedigree on grass, and while she may not have on paper that great a record on the surface, her last 3 outings at wimbledon have seen her take the eventual finalist to 3 sets in each of them.

But it's not just Venus that has to do that to win, it's Serena too IMO.

Venus is much faster than Serena and so, Kim can outrun and outhit Serena with less trouble than against Venus. I remember watching Kims match against Venus and then against Serena and she exposed Serenas movement moreso than Venus'.

So I think Serena would have to do that 1-2 punch too.

The Dawntreader
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:27 AM
after her 2 loses to kim since kim's comeback i think it is going to be very very tough for venus to hit kim off the court, which i feel she would need to do to win. if it gets into rallying, kim is faster, gets better width and has better 'connective' shots. i really think venus has to use 1, 2 strike tennis at a very high level to beat kim now. can she do it, yes, will she should they meet, i have my doubts.

people doubt kim's pedigree on grass, and while she may not have on paper that great a record on the surface, her last 3 outings at wimbledon have seen her take the eventual finalist to 3 sets in each of them.

Grass would be the ideal surface to. People actually forget Venus cuts her UE's in half come Wimbledon. Her stats vs Safina were superb last year.

Venus hardly ever looks to totally man-handle her opponents off court anymore, but the heaviness of her ball still puts her in terrific offensive positions on grass, and this is aided by her emphasis in taking the net away from her opponents.

Clijster's court-positioning can be undone on grass. It happened before my eyes against Davenport in '05.

VishaalMaria
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:27 AM
What pressure? :lol:

Please tell me what pressure she could have been under in a 3R match against Nadia who she'd NEVER lost to before? She played poorly from start to end... If it was Justine, maybe.

The only sign of mental fragility / poor coping with pressure from Kim since she came back has been in her matches with Henin, and she still managed to overcome that, unlike the past.

The pressure of being a favourite for the tournament. And it doesn't matter if she never lost to Nadia before, Nadia is capable of beating anyone on any given day (as well as losing too). I made that clear in my post. So what don't you get?

A slam is a different story. So, again, Kim would have to show she could beat Justine in a slam.

cellophane
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:33 AM
The pressure of being a favourite for the tournament. I made that clear in my post. What don't you get?


Your suggestion that she felt pressure of being the supposed favourite (arguable) against an early round opponent who she usually has no problems against and had never lost to before

VishaalMaria
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:35 AM
Your suggestion that she felt pressure of being the supposed favourite (arguable) against an early round opponent who she usually has no problems against and had never lost to before

And I explained that. With regards to Clijsters, she was a favourite. So again, what don't you get?

cellophane
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:36 AM
Nadia is capable of beating anyone on any given day (as well as losing too). I made that clear in my post.

Nadia had never beaten Kim before in a Slam and had never been an opponent to give Kim issues. Kim was absolutely dire from the start... are you suggesting to me that she was dire because of pressure... again what pressure could there possibly be against Nadia at the START of the match :scratch:

cellophane
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:37 AM
And I explained that. So again, what don't you get?

No you did not. You did not explain why Kim would feel pressure against Nadia. Like she would against Justine for example.

And, yes, it does matter that Nadia had never beaten Kim, because there is no reason for Kim to be under any pressure at the start of the match against someone she has no issues with beating. Moving on...

VishaalMaria
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:45 AM
Nadia had never beaten Kim before in a Slam and had never been an opponent to give Kim issues. Kim was absolutely dire from the start... are you suggesting to me that she was dire because of pressure... again what pressure could there possibly be against Nadia at the START of the match :scratch:

The pressure of being a favourite for the tournament.

VishaalMaria
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:50 AM
No you did not. You did not explain why Kim would feel pressure against Nadia. Like she would against Justine for example.

And, yes, it does matter that Nadia had never beaten Kim, because there is no reason for Kim to be under any pressure at the start of the match against someone she has no issues with beating. Moving on...

I did not explain why Kim would feel pressure against Nadia, like she would against Justine because that was NOT my point. You're focused more on opponents, and I'm looking at the bigger picture.

Obviously if you're feeling the pressure of being a favourite for the tournament, regardless of what stage the tournament is at, it wouldnt matter who your opponent is because the pressure isnt coming from your opponent but more from outside influences i.e. media (who consider you a favourite). And Kim WAS a favourite for the AO. There were articles saying she had a damn good chance to win the AO because she'd JUST come back into the tennis scene and "disposed" of both the WS handidly. So she WAS pressured.

And with regards to the bolded part, I think that's best. For one we're discussing this in a results thread so it's not entirely on topic, and secondly this "debate" isn't moving forward but more going round in circles and it's silly to waste time doing that. I've explained my stance, yet its you that fails to understand, or rather read between the lines. That's your issue.

Good day.

FedererBulgaria
Jun 17th, 2010, 12:57 AM
:worship:

cellophane
Jun 17th, 2010, 01:10 AM
Obviously if you're feeling the pressure of being a favourite for the tournament, regardless of what stage the tournament is at, it wouldnt matter who your opponent is because the pressure isnt coming from your opponent but more from outside influences i.e. media (who consider you a favourite). And Kim WAS a favourite for the AO. There were articles saying she had a damn good chance to win the AO because she'd JUST come back into the tennis scene and "disposed" of both the WS handidly. So she WAS pressured.

A bigger favourite than Serena? She was a favourite, not THE favourite. And I don't even know why you would think Kim would feel any pressure from the media... she's already won the US Open beating Venus and Serena back to back.... at this point she's already got the monkey off her back (won another slam since her comeback). It's just random speculation.

Your point that pressure comes from the media and has nothing to do with the opponent doesn't make any sense. She didn't play this poorly in her previous matches... why the hell was she nervous playing Nadia and not in her previous matches? :scratch: Again, makes absolutely no sense.



And with regards to the bolded part, I think that's best. For one we're discussing this in a results thread so it's not entirely on topic, and secondly this "debate" isn't moving forward but more going round in circles and it's silly to waste time doing that. I've explained my stance, yet its you that fails to understand, or rather read between the lines. That's your issue.

I'm moving on... because TBH you are not making any sense. And, yes, it's off topic too. Have a good one as well.

skanky~skanketta
Jun 17th, 2010, 06:26 AM
I did not explain why Kim would feel pressure against Nadia, like she would against Justine because that was NOT my point. You're focused more on opponents, and I'm looking at the bigger picture.

Obviously if you're feeling the pressure of being a favourite for the tournament, regardless of what stage the tournament is at, it wouldnt matter who your opponent is because the pressure isnt coming from your opponent but more from outside influences i.e. media (who consider you a favourite). And Kim WAS a favourite for the AO. There were articles saying she had a damn good chance to win the AO because she'd JUST come back into the tennis scene and "disposed" of both the WS handidly. So she WAS pressured.

And with regards to the bolded part, I think that's best. For one we're discussing this in a results thread so it's not entirely on topic, and secondly this "debate" isn't moving forward but more going round in circles and it's silly to waste time doing that. I've explained my stance, yet its you that fails to understand, or rather read between the lines. That's your issue.

Good day. To look at the picture, you need to know Kim's history. And singular opponents are definitely relevant to this discussion. What makes Kim one of the best is her super-consistency at beating almost everyone ranked lower than her. And it's also a known fact that she used to do so with relative ease. Of course, it's not a secret that she's prone to choking. But this is always at the later stages of slams when she's facing opponents that match her power and speed who already have a good record against her (i.e. level head to head for instance Davenport, more wins over Kim for instance the Williamses and Justine). Kim absorbs the pressure well at the majors in the early rounds . Unlike Serena, Venus or Justine, she's rarely ever pushed in her matches. Not so much at the later rounds, where her game tends to disintegrate.

That's why her loss to Nadia was baffling. Yes, Nads was playing well, but not really lights out tennis that she's truly capable of. Still, Kim could barely keep the ball in play. It was most certainly a bad day at the office and not a case of Kim feeling the pressure. It's easy to tell when Kim is feeling the pressure. She stops attacking and pushes (for lack of a better term) everything back. In this particular match, she kept whacking all the balls, most of which landed well out. While we're used to seeing her FH breakdown, however, in this match, she kept missing the mark on her BH as well. Even her movement, which she's known for was lacking. Of course, under normal circumstances whereby Nadia plays her usual standards Kim may have won a few more games, but in this match, as I've already mentioned, Nadia was playing well. Hence, the scoreline.

That's what I think cellophane was trying to say.

bandabou
Jun 17th, 2010, 06:50 AM
Kim was kinda the favorite at the Oz open no? I mean..she DID beat both Serena and Vee to win Wimby..then beat Juju at Brisbane. Favorite all written over her.

And if she lost to Nadia without even feeling pressure, is even worse no?

skanky~skanketta
Jun 17th, 2010, 07:16 AM
Kim was kinda the favorite at the Oz open no? I mean..she DID beat both Serena and Vee to win Wimby..then beat Juju at Brisbane. Favorite all written over her.

And if she lost to Nadia without even feeling pressure, is even worse no? It was the US Open. And yes, it was definitely worse. But as mentioned, it was an awful day for her. It happens to everyone.

Corswandt
Jun 17th, 2010, 10:04 AM
i sort of agree, but i would say that it is not just grass but the tour in general she can expose with her rock solid and lethal groundies. i mean bar her match with henin she breezed through all the players in miami, moving the ball around and hitting her backhand in particular with great width.

there are so many players these days that if you keep UE to a minium and force them to do something out of their comfort zone they look stupid. it got caro to #2 in the world. i can only think of one player in the wimbledon draw (serena) who can match that sort of consistent power hitting and surpass it without making a bucket load of errors trying.

My posts were mostly motivated by the contrast between seeing Rezai and Stosur framing and spraying shots left and right as if they had never played on grass before and immediately afterwards watching Kimberley hardly missing a single shot.

It's just that on grass these days it seems that nobody can keep the ball in play for more than 3-4 shots without mishitting it, and Clijsters hasn't really been forced to raise her game so far. But I'm not saying that what she's been doing is easy, or should be dismissed. Just that she can do even better. Hopefully.

Grass would be the ideal surface to. People actually forget Venus cuts her UE's in half come Wimbledon. Her stats vs Safina were superb last year.

Venus hardly ever looks to totally man-handle her opponents off court anymore, but the heaviness of her ball still puts her in terrific offensive positions on grass, and this is aided by her emphasis in taking the net away from her opponents.

Clijster's court-positioning can be undone on grass. It happened before my eyes against Davenport in '05.

It's not like Safina moves like Clijsters - on any surface, let alone grass. Safina was also missing (often horribly) 3 out of 4 FHs on that match (no exaggeration, sadly). And Clijsters' court positioning is different from what it was back in 2005, too.