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ZeroSOFInfinity
May 29th, 2010, 07:53 PM
Really stupid of them to put both Henin-Maria and Jelena-Boderenko matches last today. Was near total darkness when both 2nd sets were completed. Even I had a hard time seeing the ball on TV, and that was after they "brightened" the coverage of the entire 2nd set!

Someone should be answerable for this mess. Especially when it ruined the players chances of winning a GS.

tennnisfannn
May 29th, 2010, 07:57 PM
It cost them Monfils, Rezai and now possibly Henin? Thay have put Tsonga in the same situation, he plays last tomorrow.

Aaric
May 29th, 2010, 07:57 PM
It is so hard to put up some lights at least in PC and SL

ZeroSOFInfinity
May 29th, 2010, 07:59 PM
It cost them Monfils, Rezai and now possibly Henin? Thay have put Tsonga in the same situation, he plays last tomorrow.

And I taught the Wimby organizers were bad (pre-roof era).

AnnaK_4ever
May 29th, 2010, 08:02 PM
Really stupid of them to put both Henin-Maria and Jelena-Boderenko matches last today.

You do understand somebody had to be put last on the courts today, right?

spencercarlos
May 29th, 2010, 08:04 PM
Really stupid of them to put both Henin-Maria and Jelena-Boderenko matches last today. Was near total darkness when both 2nd sets were completed. Even I had a hard time seeing the ball on TV, and that was after they "brightened" the coverage of the entire 2nd set!

Someone should be answerable for this mess. Especially when it ruined the players chances of winning a GS.
I agree, they should have started 1 hour earlier at least. Also having Dojkovic on Chatrier was also kind of useless...

simonsaystennis
May 29th, 2010, 08:04 PM
Put up some damn lights! It's so frustrating and doesn't make sense why they don't have them. :o It's not fair to the players, the spectators, and the fans watching on TV.

tennisbum79
May 29th, 2010, 08:05 PM
And I taught the Wimby organizers were bad (pre-roof era).
RG organizers have exceeded a level of incompetence rarely seen at a GS.

It took them 6 minutes to decide whether to stop or continue the Monfils match.
And they decided to continue, wasting 6 minutes of relative light.

ZeroSOFInfinity
May 29th, 2010, 08:05 PM
You do understand somebody had to be put last on the courts today, right?

Yeah. But after TWO mens matches?

Mashabator
May 29th, 2010, 08:05 PM
there is 1 solution, get lights ;)

manu32
May 29th, 2010, 08:06 PM
yes somebody but why not boring spaniards players nadal,verdasco ferrero etc ? or swiss men tomorrow?

AnnaK_4ever
May 29th, 2010, 08:07 PM
Yeah. But after TWO mens matches?

So you would not object if it was men whose matches were postponed?

tennisbum79
May 29th, 2010, 08:08 PM
there is 1 solution, get lights ;)
As in Wimbledon, tradition is holding them back.
It will be the same for the hawkeye, they do not want to stop seeing the chair umpire climb down the ladder and check the mark.

ZeroSOFInfinity
May 29th, 2010, 08:09 PM
there is 1 solution, get lights ;)

Don't think the FO guys will invest in one. Tradition must be preserved :p

Mashabator
May 29th, 2010, 08:10 PM
As in Wimbledon, tradition is holding them back.
It will be the same for the hawkeye, they do not want to stop seeing the chair umpire climb down the ladder and check the mark.

Having no hawkeye is ok, but if they want to stop getting behind and delaying matches, for the sake of the players and the tournament and fans gets lights so matches are not delayed to the next day (unless it rains of course).

Matt01
May 29th, 2010, 08:11 PM
So you would not object if it was men whose matches were postponed?


Who cares about men? This is the women's tennis forum :lol:

For once I have to agree with. I don't understand the logic of the OP, either.

Serena y Monica
May 29th, 2010, 08:11 PM
Really stupid of them to put both Henin-Maria and Jelena-Boderenko matches last today. Was near total darkness when both 2nd sets were completed. Even I had a hard time seeing the ball on TV, and that was after they "brightened" the coverage of the entire 2nd set!

Someone should be answerable for this mess. Especially when it ruined the players chances of winning a GS.


Where were u when Serena's match got cancelled? Still I feel ur pain.

ZeroSOFInfinity
May 29th, 2010, 08:11 PM
So you would not object if it was men whose matches were postponed?

Well, how many mens matches were actually postponed this year. I guess only one - Monfils.

tennisbum79
May 29th, 2010, 08:13 PM
Having no hawkeye is ok, but if they want to stop getting behind and delaying matches, for the sake of the players and the tournament and fans gets lights so matches are not delayed to the next day (unless it rains of course).
Talking about the French fans in the stands..
..You can't be so sure they won't boo the lights

ZeroSOFInfinity
May 29th, 2010, 08:14 PM
Where were u when Serena's match got cancelled? Still I feel ur pain.

Asleep in bed. :p

Keegan
May 29th, 2010, 08:16 PM
They really should put women's matches on first. A) They're shorter and B) Women's tennis is blatantly less popular than men's, so why have people come out early in the day to watch when they could come after lunch time

AnnaK_4ever
May 29th, 2010, 08:18 PM
Well, how many mens matches were actually postponed this year. I guess only one - Monfils.

Has it never occurred to you that maybe this has something to do with the fact men play best of 5 and have to spent a little bit more time on the court to complete their matches?
So maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't be that fair to make somebody who is already obliged by the rules to play longer wait even longer?

homogenius
May 29th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Personally I blame Justine.You can't expect to win (even if it's against the official "cow on ice")playing like that.

Rolling-Thunder
May 29th, 2010, 08:21 PM
Borrow some lights for two weeks and put them on the two show courts. They can stay with tradition where they have no night matches scheduled. But they would be able to finish the day matches and please the French home crowd. Raise the tickets by x% and ask for donations. It would really aid this Slam. And yet they are complaining about the present site and a desire to move and won't out up lights?

It shouldn't cost that much to put up lights and then take them down. Its a stupid thing for this not to have already been done.

edificio
May 29th, 2010, 08:22 PM
RG organizers have exceeded a level of incompetence rarely seen at a GS.

It took them 6 minutes to decide whether to stop or continue the Monfils match.
And they decided to continue, wasting 6 minutes of relative light.

Yeah, that was dumb, and then Fognini decided he wanted to whine and stop.

Monfils was exhausted that night, though. They should have stopped earlier.

Polikarpov
May 29th, 2010, 08:22 PM
Maybe they should just schedule three matches in the main courts like Wimbledon does.

ZeroSOFInfinity
May 29th, 2010, 08:24 PM
Personally I blame Justine.You can't expect to win (even if it's against the official "cow on ice")playing like that.

Well, playing at 9pm with howling winds and near darkness will affect the players. Even if you are the Goddess of clay

AnnaK_4ever
May 29th, 2010, 08:27 PM
Maybe they should just schedule three matches in the main courts like Wimbledon does.

So that we would have to endure "why it's 2 ATP vs 1 WTA match" moaning for nearly two weeks? No, thanks.

stangtennis
May 29th, 2010, 08:27 PM
RG organizers have exceeded a level of incompetence rarely seen at a GS.

It took them 6 minutes to decide whether to stop or continue the Monfils match.
And they decided to continue, wasting 6 minutes of relative light.
That's nothing to do with the RG organizers. That was a problem with the Swedish head referee and the chair umpire.

hablo
May 29th, 2010, 08:27 PM
Poor, poor Queen Juju!!! :hysteric:

ys
May 29th, 2010, 08:28 PM
Is there any other clay tournament that uses the floodlights?

homogenius
May 29th, 2010, 08:30 PM
Well, playing at 9pm with howling winds and near darkness will affect the players. Even if you are the Goddess of clay

It was the same conditions for Maria.
Besides that, Justine has been unimpressive all week, she got bagelled by Rezai not so long ago...She needs to raise her level at one point and now she only has one set to do it tommorrow.She MUST do something or she's out.Plain and simple.

Jolene
May 29th, 2010, 08:32 PM
I've read that Justine has eyesight difficulties and that night matches are hard for her always, so to be playing in near-darkness might be part of why she had trouble in the last three games, especially if she knows this is a problem for her and she was putting pressure on herself to close it out quickly.

edificio
May 29th, 2010, 08:34 PM
I've read that Justine has eyesight difficulties and that night matches are hard for her always, so to be playing in near-darkness might be part of why she had trouble in the last three games, especially if she knows this is a problem for her and she was putting pressure on herself to close it out quickly.

Most people can't see well in the near darkness.

DimaDinosaur
May 29th, 2010, 08:35 PM
Justine sucked this year, she ain't winning this match for sure

Jolene
May 29th, 2010, 08:35 PM
Yes, but if your eyesight is worse to begin with, it will be even harder for you to adjust to it.

Serena y Monica
May 29th, 2010, 08:37 PM
Well, playing at 9pm with howling winds and near darkness will affect the players. Even if you are the Goddess of clay


Exactly...that's y Maria should have insisted on playing...Justine was physically exhausted...much 2 do w/the conditions.

Inktrailer
May 29th, 2010, 08:38 PM
Is there any other clay tournament that uses the floodlights?

Plenty of the South American tournaments do, and it works well. Looks nice too.

Polikarpov
May 29th, 2010, 08:39 PM
So that we would have to endure "why it's 2 ATP vs 1 WTA match" moaning for nearly two weeks? No, thanks.

Well that's the down side of it. Some people will never be satisfied it seems.

A lot of people are begging for lights to be installed, but I think it wouldn't be feasible due to space restrictions, and the architecture of the site.

Leo_DFP
May 29th, 2010, 08:39 PM
RG organizers have made some absolutely bone-headed decisions this last week: Gasquet/Murray on Lenglen and not Chatrier; Roddick on Chatrier with Nadal on Lenglen for their first round matches (??); having such late matches today when they could have utilized the courts more and spread matches around (I agree that Djokovic on Chatrier today was unecessary); and tomorrow's scheduling with Tsonga/Youzhny, one of the most anticipated matches of the day, happening so late after so many other matches (Dementieva on Chatrier is incredibly unecessary for the crowd and everyone, so they better hope she wins quickly).

messing
May 29th, 2010, 09:09 PM
You do understand somebody had to be put last on the courts today, right?
This
I agree, they should have started 1 hour earlier at least. Also having Dojkovic on Chatrier was also kind of useless...
The crowd really enjoyed the match. And it's his first match on PC also he's No.3. Then why not? :shrug: After all they always put two mens matches on a court. :rolleyes:
As in Wimbledon, tradition is holding them back.
It will be the same for the hawkeye, they do not want to stop seeing the chair umpire climb down the ladder and check the mark.
It's not just about tradition. They don't have enough of room for the new facilaties and there are many things to be done before their own decision. That's why they are considering moving the whole venue.
Well, how many mens matches were actually postponed this year. I guess only one - Monfils.
No, that's not true. There were more than that. :rolleyes:
They really should put women's matches on first. A) They're shorter and B) Women's tennis is blatantly less popular than men's, so why have people come out early in the day to watch when they could come after lunch time
I think it's more about the TV thing than the organizer or any other thing. Probably NBC asked them to put the match at 4th.

Matt01
May 29th, 2010, 09:10 PM
Justine sucked this year, she ain't winning this match for sure


Wow you're annoying :lol:

xan
May 29th, 2010, 09:16 PM
Bloody disgrace!

I predicted yesterday that the Maria match would not have time to be played. Why put the showpiece match of the 3rd round on when it can't possibly be finished? Sheer incompetence!

And now whoever wins will be at a big disadvantage against Serena.

joćo.
May 29th, 2010, 09:22 PM
Bloody disgrace!

I predicted yesterday that the Maria match would not have time to be played. Why put the showpiece match of the 3rd round on when it can't possibly be finished? Sheer incompetence!

And now whoever wins will be at a big disadvantage against Serena.

You mean against Stosur, right? :angel:

pesto
May 29th, 2010, 09:28 PM
There have been quite a few men's matches suspended or postponed. It isn't a gender-related issue. And it's not such a big deal - weather and light delays are one of the things that have always happened in slams, and players just have to deal with it.

There have been a few more specific issues. Playing on in the Monfils match was ludicrous, and I did wonder why they didn't move Henin-Shara to Court One, as that finished quite a while before PC, and the late hour was clearly becoming a problem.

Gdsimmons
May 29th, 2010, 09:33 PM
I think the whole schedule is jacked up. Anybody with sense would know that that Henin Sharapova match would not get finished in time. Lights really would solve the problem.

miffedmax
May 29th, 2010, 09:48 PM
Well, that's why everybody turns around and rants about how slams are "special" compared to regular tour events. You have to overcome more to win one. Lots of players have been jacked with because of the schedule.

josh3135
May 29th, 2010, 10:24 PM
If the folks in charge spent less of that ticket money on wine and little boys, we might have gotten some lights the last few years.

davidmario
May 29th, 2010, 10:31 PM
i was there when monfils played until 10pm. you could still see there. they couldve at least started the third set. i was surprised marias coach told her to stop since the momentum was on her side in that stage of the match.

bbjpa
May 29th, 2010, 10:46 PM
Put back thoses endless f**** ATP matches at the best of 3 sets :devil:

vandy
May 29th, 2010, 10:46 PM
if the men's match was stopped after one set each, it becomes a best of three next day. But now the women must play a one set match. This is so stupid.

is1531
May 29th, 2010, 11:11 PM
One reason I very really watch the men play is; they play best out of 5. Just get some lights and start the matches at 10am. From my vantage point Roland Garros has been a total disaster. Rain, rain, rain, no lights, suspended games. No wonder France could never win a war,lol.

keithb1961
May 29th, 2010, 11:12 PM
There have been quite a few men's matches suspended or postponed. It isn't a gender-related issue. And it's not such a big deal - weather and light delays are one of the things that have always happened in slams, and players just have to deal with it.


Weather delays, yes, thats understandable....but when a venue cant or wont upgrade their facilities to come into the 21st century like all the other grand slams.....maybe they should move then.....

Valanga
May 29th, 2010, 11:13 PM
Even some MM tournies are managed better than RG :o

Slammer7
May 29th, 2010, 11:54 PM
They did it to accommodate the men. The guys are behind and the organizers believe that it is easier for the woman to play a set one day, then a best of 3 set match the next day than it is for men to play 2 to 3 sets and then an best of 5 set match in back to back days. So they made the decision that the men HAD to get caught up today, hence the scheduling of all women's matches to end the day. :shrug: It's wasn't incompetence, but a conscious decision to allow the men to get back on schedule and have days off between matches with the understanding that the women could possibly win their matches quickly and be fully caught up. Or at worse have an easier time playing back to back days because the matches are shorter.

RG organizers have made some absolutely bone-headed decisions this last week: Gasquet/Murray on Lenglen and not Chatrier; Roddick on Chatrier with Nadal on Lenglen for their first round matches (??); having such late matches today when they could have utilized the courts more and spread matches around (I agree that Djokovic on Chatrier today was unecessary); and tomorrow's scheduling with Tsonga/Youzhny, one of the most anticipated matches of the day, happening so late after so many other matches (Dementieva on Chatrier is incredibly unecessary for the crowd and everyone, so they better hope she wins quickly).

I think that decision was heavily influenced by by Andy's clothing manufacturer, Lacoste. ;)

azinna
May 30th, 2010, 12:31 AM
My issue has to do with the organizer's use of that extra (now first) Sunday. If it was clear last week that rain would be an issue this week, then Sunday/Monday should've been scheduled as though they were the first full days of a slam, with both halves of the draw completing 1st rounds. Getting ahead of schedule is a much more delightful problem to have than being behind.

Matt01
May 30th, 2010, 12:51 AM
My issue has to do with the organizer's use of that extra (now first) Sunday. If it was clear last week that rain would be an issue this week, then Sunday/Monday should've been scheduled as though they were the first full days of a slam, with both halves of the draw completing 1st rounds. Getting ahead of schedule is a much more delightful problem to have than being behind.


The outrage of the spectators, the people on this board and among the players would be enormous. :lol: Sorry, but no way they would be doing this. And getting ahead of the schedule is a riduculous thing anyway.

Mightymirza
May 30th, 2010, 01:11 AM
I know! How hard is it to put up lights :shrug: It was ridiculous.. No respect towards Hewitt and Hanescu too :lol:

azinna
May 30th, 2010, 01:33 AM
The outrage of the spectators, the people on this board and among the players would be enormous. :lol: Sorry, but no way they would be doing this. And getting ahead of the schedule is a riduculous thing anyway.

Nah. "Outrage" is always expressed every year, regardless of the situation. The tournament organizers are pretty adept at selectively turning a deaf ear. And again, given predicted rain and perennial light issues, the organizers could be pretty certain about not getting ahead of the schedule. In the rare case that it occurs (ever so slightly), we'd have a 3/4 schedule on the first Thurs or Fri.

Mashabator
May 30th, 2010, 01:40 AM
if the men's match was stopped after one set each, it becomes a best of three next day. But now the women must play a one set match. This is so stupid.

This. its like just making the match 1 set and the winner of 1 set wins.
Its stupid also because Maria was on a roll and who knows how she will play now!

timafi
May 30th, 2010, 10:29 AM
this will all be solved once the Govt and the environmentalists agree to the extension of Roland Garros:shrug:

no need to bitch and moan about it;French players themselves have been lobbying hard for that to happen for years now so it's just a matter of the officials;not the FO organization but politicians and others to give them permit for construction:shrug:

there will be lights and roofs so quit yapping already:rolleyes: but most French players are pushing for them to move because of lack of space:D