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Salve
May 27th, 2010, 08:09 PM
The commentator on TTC continued to say "great players don't do that." What do you guys think? lol He called her the "allez specialist."

Kworb
May 27th, 2010, 08:13 PM
Even my mom who is a hardcore Justine fan is getting annoyed by all the allez. :lol:

DeliriousPotato
May 27th, 2010, 08:14 PM
I don't recognize Juju after her comeback.
For me she is this new player.
And I don't like her :armed:

adner
May 27th, 2010, 08:14 PM
The commentator on TTC continued to say "great players don't do that." What do you guys think? lol He called her the "allez specialist."
Wow, so you get to watch Henin in US and we have some silly football broadcast in Europe? Eurosport :fiery:

Ferg
May 27th, 2010, 08:15 PM
allelallezallezallezcomeoneallezallezcomeoncomeona llez

volta
May 27th, 2010, 08:15 PM
wth , whats up with all these quotes? it's like suddently everybody has something to say about someone :lol:

toby345
May 27th, 2010, 08:15 PM
And Ana's ajdes or Maria's/Melanie's come ons are better? :spit: Hey, get over it

Belmont Lad
May 27th, 2010, 08:16 PM
It's annoying in the extreme, especially when she does it after her opponent commits an error. So classy.

John.
May 27th, 2010, 08:16 PM
I hate the Allez's but a thread about them for every match???:help:

Gdsimmons
May 27th, 2010, 08:17 PM
Its Justine we're talking about here

moby
May 27th, 2010, 08:18 PM
The dumb commentator said it after a service winner from Justine to save break point. Justine had every reason to "allez" on that point.

Besides, I'd argue that hitting a short slice against Zakapolova is equivalent to hitting a winner against her. :p

Noctis
May 27th, 2010, 08:18 PM
Klara should have Break and 3-2 instead
:rolleyes:
She was pushing Henin back

Jienus
May 27th, 2010, 08:19 PM
I think it's become a habit that's all. People shouldn't be so harsh.

At least she isn't screaming like a banshee everytime she hits the ball.

edificio
May 27th, 2010, 08:20 PM
Just as Hewitt should have trademarked the "Come ON!" Henin should have the "Allez."

So many players are Allezing opponents errors these days. It is kind of rude, but the adrenaline is flowing and maybe it can't be helped. Imagine a Henin match without a single Allez.

miffedmax
May 27th, 2010, 08:22 PM
Hey, AMG and Lena D. were fist-pumping all morning--when they hit WINNERS.

Didn't bother me, even when the evil Spaniard was doing it, even given my hysterial levels of bias in that match. Celebrating an opponents unforced error is amatuerish--worse than that, even, since you can actually be penalty pointed for that at the youth level in USTA.

Yeah, maybe on set or match point, it's different because your celebrating winning, as opposed to your opponents mistake. But there are players on both the ATP and WTA tours who freakin' pump their fist and shout something when they're down like 1-5, 0-40 and their opponent makes an UE. It's not any better when idiot American football players do dances after making a tackle when their team is losing 49-0 or soccer players do huge productions after scoring goals when their team is down 4-1.

I hate that shit, too.

treufreund
May 27th, 2010, 08:22 PM
Of course she can say allez! It was a service winner. It was like she put in a crappy serve and the girl just missed. :rolleyes:

earthcrystal
May 27th, 2010, 08:23 PM
For a multi-slam "champion" (and I use the term only because I have to) to be constantly pumping herself up with "Allez!" against opponents who can still be found playing Challengers from time to time is absolutely disgraceful. And she uses it OFTEN when when they make errors. Classless, tacky...bitchy. And gamesmanship, I believe.

Bottom line:
You can throw money in the Trailer, but it just makes the Trash rich.

Apoleb
May 27th, 2010, 08:23 PM
I find the complaints ridiculous. Every point is a battle. :shrug: Besides, when you're tight you want the free points too. Just learn how to deal with it.

The rule of thumb usually is that you dislike it when you don't like the player.

Vee Williams
May 27th, 2010, 08:23 PM
Maria shouted 'come on' after most of her opponents' errors in Strasbourg. Would you also call her behavior amateurish? Or 'absolutely disgraceful', 'classless, tacky...bitchy'?

goldenlox
May 27th, 2010, 08:26 PM
Justine is playing one of the most dangerous floaters in the draw.
She is good preparation for Maria, Sam and Serena.
She blasts the ball every chance she gets

earthcrystal
May 27th, 2010, 08:26 PM
Maria shouted 'come on' after most of her opponents' errors in Strasbourg. Would you also call her behavior amateurish? Or 'absolutely disgraceful', 'classless, tacky...bitchy'?


Yes.

fish_wilson
May 27th, 2010, 08:27 PM
btw Klara will take this match tomorrow

Ryan
May 27th, 2010, 08:29 PM
For a multi-slam "champion" (and I use the term only because I have to) to be constantly pumping herself up with "Allez!" against opponents who can still be found playing Challengers from time to time is just absolutely disgraceful. And she uses it OFTEN when when they make errors. Classless, tacky...bitchy. And gamesmanship, I believe.

Bottom line:
You can throw money in the Trailer, but it just makes the Trash rich.



:weirdo: You're an idiot. I mean, really, truly, just, wow.

goldenlox
May 27th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Klara has the wrong draw. But she would be dangerous in other sections

LightWarrior
May 27th, 2010, 08:29 PM
And when I hear her say that I just want to tell her "ASSEZ" !

Lady
May 27th, 2010, 08:30 PM
The dumb commentator said it after a service winner from Justine to save break point. Justine had every reason to "allez" on that point.

Besides, I'd argue that hitting a short slice against Zakapolova is equivalent to hitting a winner against her. :p

OMG YES!!

I can understand that it'll piss some people off, ok. But she saved a freaking break-point!!
Or how about he complained about it after Justine hit a forehand in the corner and Klara sent the ball out!
How was that not Justine's actions winning the point?

And I knew this was American commentary just by that, typical.

earthcrystal
May 27th, 2010, 08:31 PM
:weirdo: You're an idiot. I mean, really, truly, just, wow.

I'll put my IQ up against yours any day. Is name-calling (i.e. personally attacking a poster whose opinion you disagree with) part of your role here, Mr. MODERATOR?

Guess you're a Henin fan, eh? Birds of a feather.

tennisbum79
May 27th, 2010, 08:32 PM
Justine is playing one of the most dangerous floaters in the draw.
She is good preparation for Maria, Sam and Serena.
She blasts the ball every chance she gets
So what is the point?

She is justified in shouting "Allez" on opponent error?

debby
May 27th, 2010, 08:34 PM
:yawn:

And Ana's ajdes or Maria's/Melanie's come ons are better? :spit: Hey, get over it

:worship:

Klara should have Break and 3-2 instead
:rolleyes:
She was pushing Henin back

:kiss: Don't worry, JuJu will reach R3.

goldenlox
May 27th, 2010, 08:35 PM
I've seen Dinara and Ana scream after a player double faults.
It means nothing to me.
I like the quality of this match. I would like to see Klara play Rezai

Gdsimmons
May 27th, 2010, 08:36 PM
For a multi-slam "champion" (and I use the term only because I have to) to be constantly pumping herself up with "Allez!" against opponents who can still be found playing Challengers from time to time is absolutely disgraceful. And she uses it OFTEN when when they make errors. Classless, tacky...bitchy. And gamesmanship, I believe.

Bottom line:
You can throw money in the Trailer, but it just makes the Trash rich.

I love that!!
I'll put my IQ up against yours any day. Is name-calling (i.e. personally attacking a poster whose opinion you disagree with) part of your role here, Mr. MODERATOR?

Guess you're a Henin fan, eh? Birds of a feather.

Speak on it!!:clap2::clap2:

Tennisstar86
May 27th, 2010, 08:40 PM
its not even "amateurish" Its just a bad sportmanship. You're taught at like age 10 not to applaud your opponents mistakes....

narutos
May 27th, 2010, 08:41 PM
Maria shouted 'come on' after most of her opponents' errors in Strasbourg. Would you also call her behavior amateurish? Or 'absolutely disgraceful', 'classless, tacky...bitchy'?

There is a difference between unforced errors and forced errors.Players are mostly on the run against Maria and yeah even on clay she makes them run and forced them to make mistakes. With Henin it's the opposite.

Slutiana
May 27th, 2010, 08:41 PM
I'll put my IQ up against yours any day. Is name-calling (i.e. personally attacking a poster whose opinion you disagree with) part of your role here, Mr. MODERATOR?

Guess you're a Henin fan, eh? Birds of a feather.
:smoke: Preach it!

goldenlox
May 27th, 2010, 08:41 PM
There's plenty of bad sportsmanship. That's why they have warnings, fines and suspensions in the rules

Tennisstar86
May 27th, 2010, 08:42 PM
wow.... Moderators calling posters idiots.... why am I not surprised. :haha:

toxina90
May 27th, 2010, 08:44 PM
Oh Klara, from what I saw you were hitting better than Justine at points, please take a set at least :drool:

Olórin
May 27th, 2010, 08:44 PM
wow.... Moderators calling posters idiots.... why am I not surprised. :haha:

Well in fairness, that poster is an idiot. I've had it on my block list for years and can only see it with people quoting.

Anyway, I don't see what's wrong with allez - it's not even that loud. It can get a bit annoying when it's against your fave - but this is the way of things.

miffedmax
May 27th, 2010, 08:45 PM
Maria shouted 'come on' after most of her opponents' errors in Strasbourg. Would you also call her behavior amateurish? Or 'absolutely disgraceful', 'classless, tacky...bitchy'?

Actually, that's a major reason TOB was originally an insult.

Fist pumps on opponent's errors, like delays and grunting, are something that officials let get out of hand by not cracking down on years ago. It really, truly, is AGAINST THE RULES to celebrate an opponent's unforced error, although you'll never see it enforced beyond the 16s.

tennisbum79
May 27th, 2010, 08:46 PM
There's plenty of bad sportsmanship. That's why they have warnings, fines and suspensions in the rules
But as you well know, it is a the referee discretion.

Most referees/umpires will overlook top players misbehavior, or they may not see it and would rely on the player herslef to the right thing.

Matt01
May 27th, 2010, 08:47 PM
wow.... Moderators calling posters idiots.... why am I not surprised. :haha:


The poster totally deserved it for his "trash-talk" :shrug:

Ryan
May 27th, 2010, 08:48 PM
I'll put my IQ up against yours any day. Is name-calling (i.e. personally attacking a poster whose opinion you disagree with) part of your role here, Mr. MODERATOR?

Guess you're a Henin fan, eh? Birds of a feather.



:weirdo: I'm not a big Henin fan, no. I just think you clearly don't understand sports if you have THAT big a problem with Henin's allez, because so many athletes in other sports do it. And even in tennis its all over the place, and really doesn't speak to their character - especially when its to motivate yourself (which, surprisingly, even champions need to do!).

Go find where it says I'm not allowed to call you an idiot. :shrug: Thats my opinion based on your ridiculous post.

mauresmofan
May 27th, 2010, 09:07 PM
The commentator on TTC continued to say "great players don't do that." What do you guys think? lol He called her the "allez specialist."

well Henin is a great player and she does do that so clearly he doesn't know what he's talking about

Slutiana
May 27th, 2010, 09:12 PM
wow.... Moderators calling posters idiots.... why am I not surprised. :haha:
Oh :lol: that's nothing compared to the shit that he usually posts.
Actually, that's a major reason TOB was originally an insult.

Fist pumps on opponent's errors, like delays and grunting, are something that officials let get out of hand by not cracking down on years ago. It really, truly, is AGAINST THE RULES to celebrate an opponent's unforced error, although you'll never see it enforced beyond the 16s.
What turned TOB into a term of endearment then? :speakles:

athake
May 27th, 2010, 09:18 PM
Typical anglosaxon media creating own loyal idiots and keeps on feeding them with the same BSs. Old Story.. But everytime its new for a loyal idiot whos as smart as a goldfish...

DualMedia
May 27th, 2010, 09:20 PM
amatur players root on other player's mistakes!

LCS
May 27th, 2010, 10:12 PM
Yeap, Henin again showing her true colours. :rolleyes:

manu32
May 27th, 2010, 10:20 PM
It's annoying in the extreme, especially when she does it after her opponent commits an error. So classy.

annoying is an euphemism.....

this girl( woman?) is dramatic...

allez ,allez,apprends le respect ,mademoiselle!

manu32
May 27th, 2010, 10:23 PM
And when I hear her say that I just want to tell her "ASSEZ" !

assez est sympa j'aurai plutôt dit t- g----e

je pense que je vais changer mon billet pour la semaine prochaine,pour l'éviter à tout prix!!

bbjpa
May 27th, 2010, 10:25 PM
Allez Klara ! :devil:

debby
May 27th, 2010, 10:26 PM
assez est sympa j'aurai plutôt dit t- g----e

je pense que je vais changer mon billet pour la semaine prochaine,pour l'éviter à tout prix!!

you can give it to me :)

Jane Lane
May 27th, 2010, 10:28 PM
Why am I not surprised. Was it Leif Shiras (or however you spell it?) The man knows absolutely nothing about tennis; hell, he knows nothing about sports in general. I'm sure he knows everything about what great players do...considering he was such a GOAT :rolleyes:

Seriously, I've never seen a group of people get so worked up and pick fights with each other over the most pointless shit. Get over it. Justine, Maria, Serena or whoever are making a hell of a lot more money than you and they don't care what you think about them.

pierce85
May 27th, 2010, 10:32 PM
justine please say allez after every frakking point! The haters will go berserk! After ever justine match, the same thread over and over again,groundhog's day.

sportywoman
May 27th, 2010, 10:34 PM
Lol at this thread ! The ALLEZ's are cuter and less annoying and much less distractig and insulting than the BOOHOO of the RG audience...

ALLEZ !!!

Midnight_Robber
May 27th, 2010, 10:35 PM
wow.... Moderators calling posters idiots.... why am I not surprised. :haha:

Okay - so we can all call anyone we like an "idiot" if we disagree with them because it's a legitimate way of engaging with an argument. Thanks mods! :yeah:

Glad we all know the ground rules we're working with now.
:rolleyes:

Anyway - so a commentator finds her "allezs'" annoying and amateurish. Big freaking deal. So do a lot of other people. Others couldn't care less, or find it...likeable. It's just an opinion. I have no real strong feeling either way. (On the other I found the whole Carlos charades production at the AO this year (and pre-retirement) far more desperate and amateurish personally.)

But if cries of allez bug the hell out of someone, who is anyone to tell them they can't feel like that? It's not like you can kidnap anyone who hates it and re-program them not to find it annoying. :rolleyes:

Pureracket
May 27th, 2010, 10:36 PM
"Allez" is a simple habit. Hell, the Opponent should not let her win points if the habit is so distracting. I guess you all would rather this be her habit:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/01/28/svSPLIFE_narrowweb__300x445,0.jpg

WhatTheDeuce
May 27th, 2010, 10:38 PM
And when I hear her say that I just want to tell her "ASSEZ" !
LMFAO :lol:

Zébulon
May 27th, 2010, 10:39 PM
I think it's become a habit that's all. People shouldn't be so harsh.

At least she isn't screaming like a banshee everytime she hits the ball.
:worship:

Vee Williams
May 27th, 2010, 10:39 PM
Seriously, I've never seen a group of people get so worked up and pick fights with each other over the most pointless shit. Get over it. Justine, Maria, Serena or whoever are making a hell of a lot more money than you and they don't care what you think about them.

You forgot a detail: these players make money because of the people that watch tennis and root for them. Without the tennis fans, none of them would be as rich as you mention. So it becomes our concern when they start feeling they are above the sport that created them.

Apoleb
May 27th, 2010, 10:50 PM
Unless it's a double fault or some super-easy smash or put away shot where the other player played like a shot or two, there is no problem with cheering on points won. I have never seen that happen from any player. "mistakes from your opponent" ignores that the other player is putting a big effort in every single point, and they are being rewarded.

sportywoman
May 27th, 2010, 10:51 PM
You forgot a detail: these players make money because of the people that watch tennis and root for them. Without the tennis fans, none of them would be as rich as you mention. So it becomes our concern when they start feeling they are above the sport that created them.

Agree but the fans in here or on other blogs are just a tiny part of the rest of millions of amateurs of tennis and its game and its sportmen/sportwomen for whom the annoyance doesn't bother.

They are not representative of the millions of people who support them. There are still people flocking to watch them on live in spite of all the ALLEZ or COME ON or whatever. And there are still millions of people watching the match inspite of all those.

So the annoyance represents just that : an annoyance just like the rain. It doesn't weight to the point that the majority just quit watching or loving the game or a payer. It's not up to the player to act like some of the viewers want her to act anyaway. We don't ask the audience to fit the player's mood or preferences and as professionals they play wever the swing mood of the audiences. So it's not a few allez's or come on that should distract a PROFESSIONAL when the audience has much more impact in terms of distraction.

The players earn their money because they are good in their job and because they are many more people who support them in spite of the little annoyances...just like few people will leave a partner because he has an annoying habit like snorting.

athake
May 27th, 2010, 10:53 PM
if Allez annoys you, it means u r way back from homoalleziens. Dont cut your evolutions pls...

pierce85
May 27th, 2010, 10:58 PM
Unless it's a double fault or some super-easy smash or put away shot where the other player played like a shot or two, there is no problem with cheering on points won. I have never seen that happen from any player. "mistakes from your opponent" ignores that the other player is putting a big effort in every single point, and they are being rewarded.

Totally agree, some posters clearly don't know the difference between forced and unforced errors. When your opponent doublefaults it's over the top to cheer for the point but when you hit a booming forehand or a great slice and force your opponent to send the ball to the net, i don't see why you can't shout for the point...

Anyway, if you hate a player in advance there's nothing that will change your opinion . Even the way he moves or his face will get on your nerves...

Robert-KimClijst
May 27th, 2010, 11:04 PM
When you celebrate after a winner or a great point, that's fine. But saying allez when you've done nothing to win the point is amateurish. You cannot cheer after some awful unforced error under almost any circumstance I think. It's tacky and rude. I mean, it's just not good sportsmanship. I don't really see how screaming encouragement is acceptable if your opponent hit an awful shot. I know when someone does that when I'm playing I am quick to say something. It isn't cheating but it certaintly is ugly.

Corswandt
May 27th, 2010, 11:28 PM
"Missed return and Henin says allez. It's a bit amateurish to do that." The commentator on TTC continued to say "great players don't do that." What do you guys think? lol He called her the "allez specialist."

I'd agree if he had phrased it as "Great players shouldn't do that", as Henin unfortunately isn't alone in loudly cheering after errors from her opponent she did nothing to earn, though she's certainly one of the worst offenders.

Volcana
May 27th, 2010, 11:34 PM
Circumstances differ. If you're losing, and struggling, and after a long rally you finally induce an error, you can do any celebratory thing you want. If you're the better player, and it's clearly an unforced error, it's unsportsmanlike.

Apoleb
May 27th, 2010, 11:44 PM
If you're the better player, and it's clearly an unforced error, it's unsportsmanlike.

You do realize though that some players, great players especially, take their opponents very seriously and cannot afford to think in terms of "i'm naturally the better player so I'll cut her some slack." That's especially true for Justine and Serena, which is why they like to celebrate points a lot against less accomplished players. The other part is of course game tactics, and within a certain extent, they aren't "unsportsmanlike." A line should be drawn, and I think double faults and easy misses from a 1 or 2 point rally on non-critical points is a good one.

Conor
May 28th, 2010, 01:04 AM
She's just competitive. At least she doesn't scream the place down after she hits a shot.

petesz
May 28th, 2010, 01:21 AM
So great players say "come on" when opponent makes an error? greater players grunt when opponent hit the ball?
TTC commentators are so biased, just because you don't speak French, doesn't make come-on sound better than allez.
ridiculous

The commentator on TTC continued to say "great players don't do that." What do you guys think? lol He called her the "allez specialist."

Ryan
May 28th, 2010, 02:17 AM
Circumstances differ. If you're losing, and struggling, and after a long rally you finally induce an error, you can do any celebratory thing you want. If you're the better player, and it's clearly an unforced error, it's unsportsmanlike.



I think it all depends on the situation. If you're "the better player" but you're in a three-setter, and have a long rally ended when your opponent nets a shot...you can "Come On" all the fuuuck you want. The two situations - losing, and being the better player - aren't mutually exclusive. I only find it unsportsmanlike if you're cruising and do it a bunch of times off easy misses in short rallies.

RenaSlam.
May 28th, 2010, 02:25 AM
Oh, Enna.

Serenita
May 28th, 2010, 02:37 AM
:weirdo: You're an idiot. I mean, really, truly, just, wow.

Srsly if you wan't to troll, remove yourself from being a mod:rolleyes:

ZeroSOFInfinity
May 28th, 2010, 03:29 AM
The commentator on TTC continued to say "great players don't do that." What do you guys think? lol He called her the "allez specialist."

Ask him to watch the Maria - Filipkens match yesterday, and I bet the commentator will say the same thing... just that this time it's the "Come On" specialist :rolleyes:

The nerve some people complaining on the player's victory cries. What they're expecting.... robots playing tennis? :weirdo:

moby
May 28th, 2010, 03:51 AM
I'd agree if he had phrased it as "Great players shouldn't do that", as Henin unfortunately isn't alone in loudly cheering after errors from her opponent she did nothing to earn, though she's certainly one of the worst offenders.The majority of the time Justine hit a short slice after a rally, Klara hit the ball into the net. Clearly Justine is exploiting some systemic deficiency in Klara's game (her flat hitting, reticence in moving forward), so in this case, she's definitely doing something to earn the point. So what if it ends in an "unforced" error?

If a player goes for too much because of the speed and defence of the opponent, is that an unforced error? Or a forced error?

So the line between forced and unforced errors are blurred. Not only missile groundstrokes can force errors.

Ask him to watch the Maria - Filipkens match yesterday, and I bet the commentator will say the same thing... just that this time it's the "Come On" specialist :rolleyes:Actually the same commentator bills their potential 3rd round match as "The Allez Specialist against The Grunter."

Jajaloo
May 28th, 2010, 03:51 AM
It's out of habit, not malice.

Mightymirza
May 28th, 2010, 04:03 AM
It was more annoying to hear the commentator rant about it :rolleyes: I am not a big fan of it but everyone does it :shrug: Especially at a clutch point.. Serena, pova and lot of players do come ons. Plus Justines Allez are more directed towards her camp :lol: rather than at the opponent.

SAEKeithSerena
May 28th, 2010, 04:14 AM
ew.

Wiggly
May 28th, 2010, 05:06 AM
And when I hear her say that I just want to tell her "ASSEZ" !

Wow, le jeu de mots! :haha:

Tennisstar86
May 28th, 2010, 05:16 AM
It was more annoying to hear the commentator rant about it :rolleyes: I am not a big fan of it but everyone does it :shrug: Especially at a clutch point.. Serena, pova and lot of players do come ons. Plus Justines Allez are more directed towards her camp :lol: rather than at the opponent.

Its really not, I've noticed it with Justine before.... She gets a routine error and gives a allez.... Ivanovic is another suspect for doing this. Its one this if you worked hard for the point and eventually drew the error... Its another to celebrate when your opponent just dumps a shot out of nowhere....

And its against the etiquette of tennis. Does it bother me that she does it? no, who cares really.... but if I were playing her Id be truely pissed, which hey thats part of the mind games she and Carlos like to play with their opponents...

Roookie
May 28th, 2010, 05:24 AM
Well...some people find it annoying..fair enough...but fans of other players who also do the "allez","come ons" and "adje's" on other players errors should also critizes their own favs and not just the players they don't like. No double stardards right?. :shrug:

Tennisstar86
May 28th, 2010, 05:28 AM
Well...some people find it annoying..fair enough...but fans of other players who also do the "allez","come ons" and "adje's" on other players errors should also critizes their own favs and not just the players they don't like. No double stardards right?. :shrug:

This is very true...... I always have a problem with a player who yells come on or adje or Allez when they're like 6-2, 5-1.... Its really just like "Is that needed? You're already beating the crap out of the person"

shap_half
May 28th, 2010, 05:36 AM
So what is the point?

She is justified in shouting "Allez" on opponent error?

Why isn't anyone justified celebrating winning a point?

And to contextualize, which many have brought up, she saved a BP with a service winner.

fufuqifuqishahah
May 28th, 2010, 05:37 AM
This is nothing. On the other hand, screaming come on at the top of your lungs after an opponent error in a short point at the beginning of a match or an opponent double fault is too much.

shap_half
May 28th, 2010, 05:40 AM
"Allez" is a simple habit. Hell, the Opponent should not let her win points if the habit is so distracting. I guess you all would rather this be her habit:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/01/28/svSPLIFE_narrowweb__300x445,0.jpg

This is actually kind of obvious. It comes out during tight moments as an effort to pump herself up. I don't understand how people see it as a deliberate attempt at sportsmanship, but I suppose crazier things have been said in these boards.

Arnian
May 28th, 2010, 05:40 AM
Who cares about the fucking allezs people, get over it already!

earthcrystal
May 28th, 2010, 05:46 AM
Who cares about the fucking allezs people, get over it already!

Apparently quite a few people do. And guess what? We don't have to "get over it". We can harp on it until the end of time.

Aside: Thanks for all the good reps, peeps. Guess only a very few people think I'm an idiot (or a troll)...LOL.

I think I need a siggy: Speaking my mind since 2001. :p

shap_half
May 28th, 2010, 05:49 AM
Yeap, Henin again showing her true colours. :rolleyes:

By saying Allez when she saved a big point with a service winner.

And here you've shown, once again, your stupidity.

Arnian
May 28th, 2010, 05:49 AM
Apparently quite a few people do. And guess what? We don't have to "get over it". We can harp on it until the end of time.

Aside: Thanks for all the good reps, peeps. Guess only a very few people think I'm an idiot (or a troll)...LOL.

I think I need a siggy: Speaking my mind since 2001. :p

and look like a child whilst doing it.

If the allezs bother you so much, then where's all the threads about grunting, screaming, come ons etc etc that practically everyone does now? At least when Justine says allez the point is over with.

C. W. Fields
May 28th, 2010, 06:21 AM
It was quite funny when Justine played Caro in Miami and yelled "Allez" on what she thought was a winner, but Caro managed to return the ball and Justine lost the point for yelling/talking during play! :lol:
At least that should teach her a little restraint on her "Allez"! ;)

gentenaire
May 28th, 2010, 07:12 AM
I find the complaints ridiculous. Every point is a battle. :shrug: Besides, when you're tight you want the free points too. Just learn how to deal with it.

The rule of thumb usually is that you dislike it when you don't like the player.

ding dong! Spot on!

kiwialicat
May 28th, 2010, 08:43 AM
It annoys me too, but not nearly as much as Sharapova or Azarenka matches where I have to watch it on mute. But I'm not about to call them cheaters or anything.

It's seriously not a big deal and I don't see how its sportsmanship. It's the opponents job to ignore it if it bothers them and if it throws them off badly enough that they lose, then they didn't deserve to win anyway. It isn't amateurish either, heaps of top players do it in some form or another.

Plus it is as much about the person itself rather than the opponent. If it unnerves the person on the other side of the net, then whatever. But most of the time, with Serena's primal screams, Ana's fist pumps, Henin's allez, or someone else's come ons, its about trying to fire up or encourage yourself.

The place where I draw the line is double faults.

SvetaPleaseWin.
May 28th, 2010, 10:19 AM
henin's a prick. the end.

Rafito.
May 28th, 2010, 10:36 AM
It annoys me too, but not nearly as much as Sharapova or Azarenka matches where I have to watch it on mute.


People really do over exaggerate.

Richie's
May 28th, 2010, 11:22 AM
Henin is really comfused to me. Almost 10 years on Tour then 2 years out of courts and now back to courts. I think she didn't find what she was searching. I don't think she will find it on courts now, as 10 years she didn't. Tennis is not what Mrs Henin miss. I think it's happines.

edificio
May 28th, 2010, 11:24 AM
...I always have a problem with a player who yells come on or adje or Allez when they're like 6-2, 5-1.... Its really just like "Is that needed? You're already beating the crap out of the person"

True, true. :) Though some people are just excitable--Ana is very exciting.

moby
May 28th, 2010, 02:09 PM
The same commentator is commentating on Venus-Dominika, and he just ragged on Cibulkova for fistpumping after hitting a backhand DTL winner at 3-all deuce. He said she was trying to do her best Henin impersonation "on every point now". :lol:

volta
May 28th, 2010, 02:11 PM
The same commentator is commentating on Venus-Dominika, and he just ragged on Cibulkova for fistpumping after hitting a backhand DTL winner at 3-all deuce. He said she was trying to do her best Henin impersonation "on every point now". :lol:

It was more because of the Allez Dominika shouted after hitting that amazing winner no?

Salve
May 28th, 2010, 02:11 PM
The same commentator is commentating on Venus-Dominika, and he just ragged on Cibulkova for fistpumping after hitting a backhand DTL winner at 3-all deuce. He said she was trying to do her best Henin impersonation "on every point now". :lol:

I don't think he ragged on her. In fact, I think he expects/thinks it's more acceptable for Cibulkova to scream allez since she is not a proven champion.

Lady
May 28th, 2010, 02:13 PM
The same commentator is commentating on Venus-Dominika, and he just ragged on Cibulkova for fistpumping after hitting a backhand DTL winner at 3-all deuce. He said she was trying to do her best Henin impersonation "on every point now". :lol:

WOW, he's that ridiculous?
Isn't Cibulkova an underdog? Hitting a winner and at the important moment? What's his deal? Is it simple stupidity?
Does he have a problem with Venus' grunting? Or is that Ok?

volta
May 28th, 2010, 02:14 PM
WOW, he's that ridiculous?
Isn't Cibulkova an underdog? Hitting a winner and at the important moment? What's his deal? Is it simple stupidity?
Does he have a problem with Venus' grunting? Or is that Ok?

He isn't even "ragging" on Dominika , if anything he is just impressed at how hard she can hit with that height.
And he only mentioned Henin because of the Allez Dominika shout after the winner

Lady
May 28th, 2010, 02:16 PM
I don't think he ragged on her. In fact, I think he expects/thinks it's more acceptable for Cibulkova to scream allez since she is not a proven champion.

But since he was so down on Justine for doing it, how can "Henin impersonation" be a compliment?

moby
May 28th, 2010, 02:17 PM
WOW, he's that ridiculous?
Isn't Cibulkova an underdog? Hitting a winner and at the important moment? What's his deal? Is it simple stupidity?I've no idea. But he didn't sound too pleased when he commented on that. It's pretty obvious who he wants to win in every match (both matches I've seen so far).

I'll give it to him though. He gives great shots credit where credit is due, regardless of his bias.

volta
May 28th, 2010, 02:20 PM
He is far from being bias in this match. He has been fair so far, giving credit where credit is due and hasn't really shown that he wants this or that player to take the match. Seems like he is enjoying the match (so am i :lol:)

Lady
May 28th, 2010, 02:22 PM
I've no idea. But he didn't sound too pleased when he commented on that. It's pretty obvious who he wants to win in every match (both matches I've seen so far).

I'll give it to him though. He gives great shots credit where credit is due, regardless of his bias.

I remember him saying about a great finish for the Monfils-Fognino match like we witnessed something epic when the match was ridiculous in its quality.
I knew from Cynicole that commentary on US channels was impossible to listen to, but this was so much worse then I imagined. After listening to this I have to temporary remove my objections towards Russian commentators even if they proclaimed that Justine will play Pivovarova in the next match.

ys
May 28th, 2010, 02:26 PM
Have you ever played on amateur level? Amateurs do not do that. 99% of them are very respectful to their opponent and follow the sport's ethics absolutely literally. Do not insult amateurs.

earthcrystal
May 28th, 2010, 02:33 PM
But since he was so down on Justine for doing it, how can "Henin impersonation" be a compliment?

Context is everything...and clearly lost on many people. (moby, I'm looking at you!)

moby
May 28th, 2010, 02:36 PM
Context is everything...and clearly lost on many people. (moby, I'm looking at you!)It was a completely unnecessary comment on his part.
I don't see why he felt the need to comment on a cheer after a winner on a big point.
Taking the mickey out on Justine again? Seems a bit excessive, if not obsessive.
Or perhaps he's just exceedingly verbose and has to find something to talk about - that I've noticed.

He is far from being bias in this match. He has been fair so far, giving credit where credit is due and hasn't really shown that he wants this or that player to take the match. Seems like he is enjoying the match (so am i :lol:)I think he's biased in that you sense which player he likes better, but indeed his commentary on the tennis is fair. At least in both matches I've seen.

mauresmofan
May 28th, 2010, 02:45 PM
Well if Justines Allez are annoying then it's just great for her because if you can get you're opponents concentration off the match then you've a better chance of winning the match. makes absolutely no sense to stop doing it if you're her.

volta
May 28th, 2010, 02:52 PM
It was a completely unnecessary comment on his part.
I don't see why he felt the need to comment on a cheer after a winner on a big point.
Taking the mickey out on Justine again? Seems a bit excessive, if not obsessive.
Or perhaps he's just exceedingly verbose and has to find something to talk about - that I've noticed.

I think he's biased in that you sense which player he likes better, but indeed his commentary on the tennis is fair. At least in both matches I've seen.

really? i didn't see it at all but this is the first match i've seen where he was the commentator so can't really take much from it. I liked him