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JAS_
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:32 PM
Not liking this :scared:

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:32 PM
Nadal's shots have much more spin now, while Novak is missing too much. He lost the momentum.

gaviotabr
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Yeah, I know but I thought that night would have given him enough time to realize that he HAS to come out firing on all cylinders.

I'm sure he knows.. executing is another story..

He is missing too many BHs.. and hitting it CC too much.. he started winning by hitting to Rafa's BH all the time.

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:39 PM
The bh is simply awful today and it's too risky too run around it in these conditions.

gaviotabr
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:43 PM
Novak really had to have held that first game. That bad call on the 15-0 point cost him.. :sobbing:

It seems Novak wants to stop now.. I'm not sure he should.. after every other interruption, he came out and lost serve.

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:43 PM
Another delay. This is the worst final I've ever seen. It's not some intense drama, it's simply annoying.

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:44 PM
Novak really had to have held that first game. That bad call on the 15-0 point cost him.. :sobbing:

It seems Novak wants to stop now.. I'm not sure he should.. after every other interruption, he came out and lost serve.

Exactly. It's incredible how bad he served after every delay. But it starts again.

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:54 PM
A gift again.

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 12:59 PM
Whenever I see that he's about to finish the point with bh or fh dtl, I expect him to miss.

SidTheKid
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:01 PM
This is worst final ever.RG is such a stupid tournament...

gaviotabr
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:02 PM
On a DF.. :o Novak really wasted it.

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:07 PM
He didn't just lose this final, but he also lost the mental edge he had against Nadal. Nadal still felt uncomfortable against him, but I'm afraid that it's completely gone now. Novak will have to improve drastically if he wants to defend Wimbledon or USO.

JAS_
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:08 PM
Aaaaargh damn it. He totally had the game to win it.
Just don't know why he didn't play it :confused: (except for those eight games yesterday, that is)
For some reason he was totally harmless when inside the court especially on the BH side. He would just put the ball back in. It may have been less harming than the ones from the baseline. He just didn't play his game from last year, little by little Rafa was closing in this year confidencewise, he had to keep him under the water at all times. Novak on the other hand, was conceding more and more ground, and during long patches he reverted to some really puzzling style of play. Well, not puzzling, it used to be his own two years ago. The only thing that kept him going was the amaze mental toughness he acquired. But I guess, you can't only live on that.

Too bad.

SidTheKid
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:08 PM
I donīt think he lost edge he had Nadal can beat DJoko only on clay..

JAS_
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:12 PM
I'm sure he knows.. executing is another story..



Yeah so I thought maybe since the match wasn't gonna be long anyways, he would extend the practice or whatever it is one can do about it, to make sure he needs no warm up time. Oh well...

JAS_
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:15 PM
I donīt think he lost edge he had Nadal can beat DJoko only on clay..

Nadal only needed one win in Monte Carlo (even with Novak mentally handicapped because of his grandfather's death) to start growing in confidence. No, it iss obvious since AO that Novak was slightly slipping. Imagine how he will grow in confidence after this. Trust me, Novak NEEDS to change his approach if he wants to defend the titles and go back to whatever he was doing last year.
I am not saying it's a lot different than what he is doing now, but clearly something is different.

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:18 PM
I donīt think he lost edge he had Nadal can beat DJoko only on clay..

I think that he can beat him on grass as well. And the hardcourts, I don't know. I'm not going to comment on the depth in mens tennis or even worse on surface homoganization, but unfortunately Nadal can win more hc slams.

azdaja
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:25 PM
oh well. i didn't want to say it because i hoped for a different outcome but i expected nadal to benefit from the delay. novak had the momentum and would have finished him off if the match had been played in one piece.

gaviotabr
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:30 PM
Nadal only needed one win in Monte Carlo (even with Novak mentally handicapped because of his grandfather's death) to start growing in confidence. No, it iss obvious since AO that Novak was slightly slipping. Imagine how he will grow in confidence after this. Trust me, Novak NEEDS to change his approach if he wants to defend the titles and go back to whatever he was doing last year.
I am not saying it's a lot different than what he is doing now, but clearly something is different.

I think that he can beat him on grass as well. And the hardcourts, I don't know. I'm not going to comment on the depth in mens tennis or even worse on surface homoganization, but unfortunately Nadal can win more hc slams.

IMHO Novak's best is better than Rafa's best. But he needs to play his best, because Rafa is mostly playing on equal level, he doesn't oscilate as Nole does. And that means Novak needs to attack and to pounce Rafa's BH and finish points at the net. Sometimes I couldn't believe how Novak would only hit to Rafa's FH.. and then when he finally hit to the BH he would get a short ball and send it back and then wait for the defensive shot to bounce before hitting again, giving Nadal SO much time.

Now I hope this loss doesn't set Novak back in the mental department of this rivalry.. its certainly going to send Nadal up, but Novak has to stand ground and next time they meet, he has to impose his game.

gaviotabr
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:33 PM
oh well. i didn't want to say it because i hoped for a different outcome but i expected nadal to benefit from the delay. novak had the momentum and would have finished him off if the match had been played in one piece.

Yes, I agree. Novak was totally into the match at that point.. he came out cold today.

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 01:38 PM
IMHO Novak's best is better than Rafa's best.

This is true. Novak is more talented. It's not always enough. Roger is more talented, but Nadal has always been a horrible match up for him. Novak is, of course, a worse opponent for Rafa, but he really plays an awful tennis this year. Even his performance in AO was worse than his performances last year.

He had a great chance yesterday, he had a momentum on his side, Rafa looked tired, but the match was suspended.

SidTheKid
Jun 11th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Still final is more than I expected tbh

SidTheKid
Jun 11th, 2012, 03:59 PM
Still think Novak will regroup after wthis and will Wimby or Olympics

gaviotabr
Jun 11th, 2012, 04:00 PM
I hope Novak wins Olympics.. I think a gold medal would be huge for him.

Shinjiro
Jun 11th, 2012, 04:50 PM
Sad day today, as a tennis Djoko fan.

I hope Novak wins Olympics.. I think a gold medal would be huge for him.Also hope he defends the USO, oh and Fed please win another Wimbledon title :angel:

JAS_
Jun 11th, 2012, 05:15 PM
Sometimes I couldn't believe how Novak would only hit to Rafa's FH.. and then when he finally hit to the BH he would get a short ball and send it back and then wait for the defensive shot to bounce before hitting again, giving Nadal SO much time.


This x million
His tactics were totally different than last year. Or rather, execution. He just lost that sharpness and edge in the shots. Not generally, I mean, obviously he would hit them when he got on a roll, but it was like he would forget that's how he should hit all the time and doze off. And then wake up just at the right time.
Too many short balls and so many were attackable on return, yet he held back. I have no idea why.
I think that he wasn't mentally present in huge patches of the matches, like Seppi and Tsonga match, where he also had different phases. Just too many brainfarts in this tournament and of course you can't always get away with it.

fANAtic
Jun 11th, 2012, 06:43 PM
The biggest difference is his BH now. Last year a BH diagonal would push his opponent out of the court, it was very close to the line and consistent. Now, he sends it to the middle of the court, right on Nadal's racquet.

JAS_
Jun 11th, 2012, 07:15 PM
The biggest difference is his BH now. Last year a BH diagonal would push his opponent out of the court, it was very close to the line and consistent. Now, he sends it to the middle of the court, right on Nadal's racquet.

Well, but his forhand is also loopier, and I think his serve is not as good either. Last year his serve was way better than Rafa's - why Rafa said himself he lost Miami due to poor serve; this time, in this final, Rafa's serve was better. He worked on it, just to counter Novak. Meanwhile, Novak let his serve slip, and last year it would bail him out many times. Well, still it does, but not always obviously. Come to think of it, everything slipped a bit; I remember that I always had an issue with his volleys, and again in this match his netgame was patchy. Those WTF moments from 2009 made a reappearance. Then, during the 8 won games in a row streak, again I thought, thank God his brain just got turned on. Seriously I think it was very weird, it's like two completely different players in the matches.

Edit: oh and one other thing. While mentally he was clutch at some crucial times, so in that (mental) department he was amaze, unfortunately, in other departments he slipped as well. Last year, unlike the previous years, he didn't have these long periods of mental absence or whatever it is - I don't know how to call it, which would induce resignation which was oh so visible through his body language. Those exchanges with the audience, breaking of the bench, arms waving at the sky and such. Nope. He was emotionally completely contained last year, and I think that, together with the focus on a constantly high level, was of utmost importance.

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Without an excellent bh, there's no even chance to beat Nadal (in normal circumstances, not today). Just ask Federer and, yes, Novak's bh looked very poor today. But few days ago, in the opening set against Seppi, it was his fh that looked totally wozlike.

But neither bh nor fh was the reason for the loss IMO, it was his first serve, low 1st serve % + double faults on break points (it happened few times in the match). WTA, you have no reason to be ashamed. :worship:

azdaja
Jun 11th, 2012, 08:56 PM
nadull broke a dull record :yawn: nobody's excited about a surface specialist breaking a surface speacialist record. dull :yawn: history was written too :yawn: anyone awake still? :unsure:

Cajka
Jun 11th, 2012, 11:01 PM
nadull broke a dull record :yawn: nobody's excited about a surface specialist breaking a surface speacialist record. dull :yawn: history was written too :yawn: anyone awake still? :unsure:

It was 10 o'clock when you wrote this. :lol:

There are reasons why I don't like ATP. Does anyone really care about the QFs, for example? They should really play the best of 3 until semifinal. Maybe we'll see more upsets if that happens. Nadal and Djokovic have won all the slams since RG 2010. Before that we had Roger and Fed. In five years there were only 3 other guys who somehow managed to win a slam. Safin, Novak and JMDP. We barely see other guys winning Masters events. Murray... Once it was Roddick... Ljubičić... Tsonga once. Oh, yeah, Davidenoko won WTF. :lol: Pathetic field. Even when Novak, Rafa and Fed play awful, nobody can stop them.

gaviotabr
Jun 12th, 2012, 01:03 PM
The biggest difference is his BH now. Last year a BH diagonal would push his opponent out of the court, it was very close to the line and consistent. Now, he sends it to the middle of the court, right on Nadal's racquet.

I noticed that as well... Novak's CC BH was mostly short or right into the net.

azdaja
Jun 12th, 2012, 01:52 PM
Pathetic field. Even when Novak, Rafa and Fed play awful, nobody can stop them.
i don't think the field is weak, it's just that you have 3 players who are pushing each other to the limits and others can't keep up. if you happen to like some lesser players other matches can still be interesting.

the missed nole slam opportunity overshadowed the fact that this is his best ever rg result.

Cajka
Jun 12th, 2012, 02:17 PM
i don't think the field is weak, it's just that you have 3 players who are pushing each other to the limits and others can't keep up.

During the last few years I've seen so many players wasting a lead against Fed, Nadal or Novak in matches on slams. Isner, Berdych, JMDP, Seppi, Tsonga, Petzschner, Haase, Murray, Falla, Troicki... None of those guys can't finish the fucking match.

Cp6uja
Jun 12th, 2012, 06:13 PM
During the last few years I've seen so many players wasting a lead against Fed, Nadal or Novak in matches on slams. Isner, Berdych, JMDP, Seppi, Tsonga, Petzschner, Haase, Murray, Falla, Troicki... None of those guys can't finish the fucking match.Real problem is when player can't close matches where have big lead against opponents of his level or even worse. Tennis is such sport where 2-0 in sets and early break in 3rd lead not garantee to You nothing if You play against much better player which finaly starts to play his usual level. Also JMDP beat Federer in USO final after 1-2 and Tsonga at previous Wimbledon even after 0-2, so such players (Murray and Berdich also) can beat anyone if You give them chances and underperform - unlike Seppi, Falla, Haase... which big3 needs just to regroup on about 60% of usual GOAT level for comeback.

Cajka
Jun 12th, 2012, 06:46 PM
But how is it possible that they start playing their best tennis when they are losing it already? I think that the players get tight when they see the big opportunity coming. Girls also have the problem when they are about to close the match, but playing the best of 5 gives you more time to think about the huge thing that you're about to do. The big 3 has some God aura, so the players don't even think they stand a chance.

Few years ago I remember watching Hrbaty and Federer. Hrbaty was joking around, he even came to Roger's bench and started joking. The crowd loved it, but it really showed that he never thought he had a chance in the match even though he should know how to play against him. Of course, he would lose anyway, but it's really bad for ATP that many of them lose it in the locker room. It's a shame that Robin had such an unfortunate injury, his tennis in 2009 and 2010 was really refreshing.

azdaja
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:26 AM
i've just found this:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=15022364&postcount=2

kinda nice to see a player calling ana her idol (even though this is from 3 years ago). i don't think she looks like ana, though.

gaviotabr
Jun 19th, 2012, 12:50 PM
Kvitova just lost to Makarova..

:facepalm:

Wimbledon is going to be quite something..

Anyway.. I know Ana never wanted to play Eastbourne, but she really can't afford losing so many shots at adding points.. or maybe she is just bad at math as Cajka once said. What is she truly hoping for in her career? Because I'm getting convinced its like that Mike Joyce quote.. she is just happy being average and not having to deal with any expectation better results would bring upon her. The way she boycotts her chances is a form of art really.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jun 19th, 2012, 07:01 PM
I'm not surprised with all the upsets today. It's mostly like that the week before Wimbledon.
Last year Eastbourne was really strong, so barely no chances for upsets. in Rosmalen it's always full of surprises.

And then there's also good and bad news.
Good news is that Ana probably plays Wimbledon.
Bad news is that Ana gets another chance to waste.

The 2nd Law
Jun 21st, 2012, 03:26 AM
Ana would have had an awesome chance at going deep in Eastbourne too, the draw has completely collapsed :hysteric:

gaviotabr
Jun 21st, 2012, 03:39 AM
Ana would have had an awesome chance at going deep in Eastbourne too, the draw has completely collapsed :hysteric:

Another wasted chance.. what a surprise! NOT.. :hysteric:

stegall
Jun 21st, 2012, 03:54 AM
With our luck,she would have went out just like the other three :lol:

gaviotabr
Jun 24th, 2012, 06:10 PM
Saw a stat that actually surprised me... It seems out of the 8 grass court tournaments she played, Kvitova lost in the 1st round in 5, made 1 SF, 1 F and 1 W. Of course the win was Wimbledon.. but that is quite a stat.

azdaja
Jun 24th, 2012, 06:54 PM
i think kvitty is one of the most overhyped players on wtf ever.

anyway, any of you guys watched the eastbourne final yesterday? i enjoyed the match a lot and loved the result as well. why can't we have some of that in a wta gs final?

i hope tamira can now beat woz but i won't get my hopes up after just one good tournament.

SidTheKid
Jun 24th, 2012, 06:58 PM
i think kvitty is one of the most overhyped players on wtf ever.

anyway, any of you guys watched the eastbourne final yesterday? i enjoyed the match a lot and loved the result as well. why can't we have some of that in a wta gs final?

i hope tamira can now beat woz but i won't get my hopes up after just one good tournament.

+125695

18majors
Jun 24th, 2012, 07:00 PM
Another wasted chance.. what a surprise! NOT.. :hysteric:

However, the pre-Wimbledon party has always been the priority.

gaviotabr
Jun 24th, 2012, 11:06 PM
i think kvitty is one of the most overhyped players on wtf ever.

anyway, any of you guys watched the eastbourne final yesterday? i enjoyed the match a lot and loved the result as well. why can't we have some of that in a wta gs final?

i hope tamira can now beat woz but i won't get my hopes up after just one good tournament.

I watched the Eastbourne final. Nice match! Paszek played SO well. But I thought it was quite a choke from Kerber.. she went really passive in those 5 MPs, hoping for an error that didn't come. And then after Paszek held for 5-4, she called her coach and was literally crying to him.. When I saw that, I knew she was going on meltdown mode.. Credits to Paszek in taking advantage of it.

Lets see what she can do against Woz on tuesday... I'm not sure she will have much in the tank.

gaviotabr
Jun 24th, 2012, 11:09 PM
However, the pre-Wimbledon party has always been the priority.

:hysteric:

Cajka
Jun 24th, 2012, 11:17 PM
i think kvitty is one of the most overhyped players on wtf ever.


You are the member of this forum for 7 years, I guess you should know that. I agree that she's overhyped, when she won YEC people were predicting her to win a golden slam or something like that, the hype was unbearable. I think that she will win more slams if she doesn't become a headcase like Ana, but I can't see her becoming dominant.

I missed the final unfortunately, I don't like any of the finalists, but I can totally see them playing a good match. Paszek's story is also amazing. 7 days ago she was unable to win a single match and now she won the title. I hope that Tamira and Oudin will continue with this great form, they were both promising players once and they are still very young. I love good stories, it's always a proof that you should never give up on yourself.

18majors
Jun 25th, 2012, 12:32 AM
You are the member of this forum for 7 years, I guess you should know that. I agree that she's overhyped, when she won YEC people were predicting her to win a golden slam or something like that, the hype was unbearable. I think that she will win more slams if she doesn't become a headcase like Ana, but I can't see her becoming dominant.

I missed the final unfortunately, I don't like any of the finalists, but I can totally see them playing a good match. Paszek's story is also amazing. 7 days ago she was unable to win a single match and now she won the title. I hope that Tamira and Oudin will continue with this great form, they were both promising players once and they are still very young. I love good stories, it's always a proof that you should never give up on yourself.

Maria Sharapova is another good example.

azdaja
Jun 25th, 2012, 01:31 PM
I watched the Eastbourne final. Nice match! Paszek played SO well. But I thought it was quite a choke from Kerber.. she went really passive in those 5 MPs, hoping for an error that didn't come. And then after Paszek held for 5-4, she called her coach and was literally crying to him.. When I saw that, I knew she was going on meltdown mode.. Credits to Paszek in taking advantage of it.
tamira made erros to give kerber more match points but i was sure she would win after coming back from 0:40.

incidently, the first time i saw tamira play was against ana in linz in 2005.

You are the member of this forum for 7 years, I guess you should know that. I agree that she's overhyped, when she won YEC people were predicting her to win a golden slam or something like that, the hype was unbearable. I think that she will win more slams if she doesn't become a headcase like Ana, but I can't see her becoming dominant.
well, i remember vaidisova hype was also pretty bad after she had won those mm tournaments but there was not much talk about total domination like now. i guess 3 slamless number ones did a lot of damage.

gaviotabr
Jun 25th, 2012, 02:50 PM
well, i remember vaidisova hype was also pretty bad after she had won those mm tournaments but there was not much talk about total domination like now. i guess 3 slamless number ones did a lot of damage.

Lets not compare Kvitova to Vaidisova. Kvitty actually won a slam, made 3 other semis, won YEC, and a Mandatory. It's not a bunch of MM and a couple of semis like Nicole. The year after winning a 1st slam is always tough, so I don't think its fair to be too hard on her.

I don't think Petra will ever be dominant though.. she is too inconsistent for that, and her inability to play in the US also makes her miss big chunks of the season.

gaviotabr
Jun 25th, 2012, 02:54 PM
Venus loses to Vesnina. Sad to see..

That 2nd quarter of the draw is SO weak. Golden opportunity for Radwanska to finally reach semis of a slam. Stosur sucks on grass, but she also has this piss easy draw.. there is Na Li there, but she is slated to meet Stosur on round 4 and she has never beaten Sam. So I can see Na Li losing to Sam and then Sam losing to A-Rad.

azdaja
Jun 25th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Lets not compare Kvitova to Vaidisova. Kvitty actually won a slam, made 3 other semis, won YEC, and a Mandatory. It's not a bunch of MM and a couple of semis like Nicole. The year after winning a 1st slam is always tough, so I don't think its fair to be too hard on her.

I don't think Petra will ever be dominant though.. she is too inconsistent for that, and her inability to play in the US also makes her miss big chunks of the season.
i wasn't comparing them at all. i just said the vaidisova hype was pretty bad back in the day. and no matter how good you are you can still get overhyped. it's beyond your control, really. in case of vaidisova she was just supposed to be the next big thing and a multiple slam winner. in case of kvitty people expect her to be dominant (we are in transition period, blablabla) and since things are so desperate in women's tennis some people really go too far in their expectations. if people expected from kvitty what they used to expect from vaidisova i'd say ok. she might win a couple of slams.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Jun 26th, 2012, 08:24 PM
Tomorrow maybe some really quick matches if they won't play anymore today.
Errani has MP now and Kubot and Melzer are 2 points away. Raonic needs only to hold his serve now.

gaviotabr
Jun 27th, 2012, 04:18 PM
Major choke job from Paszek.. missed 4 SPs with such stupid errors.. then broken for the set. :o

gaviotabr
Jun 27th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Wow Paszek won in the end. It was a good match.. I feel for Caro though.. actually thought she showed some improvement.. but this was a tough draw.

Paszek new mental GOAT. Back to back matches won saving MPs.

InsideOut.
Jun 27th, 2012, 06:25 PM
Paszek should never have let that first set slip by. But wonderful fighting to save the match points (those backhands!) and good fight to finish, Wozniacki was fighting so hard at 3-5 down. But Wozniacki only has herself to blame for her finishing shots at 40-30 and deuce in the last game, very makeable shots.

marineblue
Jun 27th, 2012, 07:56 PM
Paszek playing this well is a not the ideal opponent for a first round. It was a winnable match though and again Caro was so close,so disappointing that she let it slip.

gaviotabr
Jun 28th, 2012, 04:30 PM
Bartoli a set and a break down to Lucic.. that would open up that part of the draw big time as well. Caro's and Sam's 1/8 was always going to be wide open..

gaviotabr
Jun 28th, 2012, 04:40 PM
And Bartoli is out. A QF would get Ana past her in the rankings.

doni1212
Jun 28th, 2012, 06:07 PM
And Bartoli is out. A QF would get Ana past her in the rankings.

Past her as in at #9?! :eek:
Or did her points fall of from last year and she's ranked lower than #9 right now?

18majors
Jun 28th, 2012, 06:19 PM
Past her as in at #9?! :eek:
Or did her points fall of from last year and she's ranked lower than #9 right now?

Bartoli is No. 10 without 2011 Wimbledon points. Both Zvonareva and Ana can pass Marion by reaching QF, Zvonareva is 90 points ahead of Ana.

doni1212
Jun 28th, 2012, 06:20 PM
Wow, ok thanks!

18majors
Jun 28th, 2012, 06:21 PM
Wow Paszek won in the end. It was a good match.. I feel for Caro though.. actually thought she showed some improvement.. but this was a tough draw.

Paszek new mental GOAT. Back to back matches won saving MPs.

Both Paszek and Errani are mental giants.

gaviotabr
Jun 28th, 2012, 06:27 PM
Past her as in at #9?! :eek:
Or did her points fall of from last year and she's ranked lower than #9 right now?

With Errani getting to 3rd round and Bartoli losing 2nd round, Errani gets past Bartoli with 3410 points for number 9, while Marion has 3400 points. If Ana gets to a QF she would get to 3410 points, getting past Bartoli and making it a tie with Errani (if Errani loses 3rd round vs Shvedova). Sara would still be ranked ahead, as she wins the tie breaking rules I think.

The 2nd Law
Jun 29th, 2012, 02:31 AM
With Errani getting to 3rd round and Bartoli losing 2nd round, Errani gets past Bartoli with 3410 points for number 9, while Marion has 3400 points. If Ana gets to a QF she would get to 3410 points, getting past Bartoli and making it a tie with Errani (if Errani loses 3rd round vs Shvedova). Sara would still be ranked ahead, as she wins the tie breaking rules I think.

Errani :o

The 2nd Law
Jun 29th, 2012, 02:32 AM
and Nadal out :cheer: great chance for Nole and Fed now, maybe even Murray or Tsonga!

Cajka
Jun 29th, 2012, 02:40 AM
and Nadal out :cheer: great chance for Nole and Fed now, maybe even Murray or Tsonga!

:worship: to that

I'd love to see Nole winning it, but Murray or Tsonga winning the title is also OK. I dislike Fed, but I think that his game is much better for grass than Nadal's. :o Nadal with 3 W titles would be too much, but he'll win it again for sure. :o

The 2nd Law
Jun 29th, 2012, 02:47 AM
:worship: to that

I'd love to see Nole winning it, but Murray or Tsonga winning the title is also OK. I dislike Fed, but I think that his game is much better for grass than Nadal's. :o Nadal with 3 W titles would be too much, but he'll win it again for sure. :o

Nadal with 2 Wimbledon's is too much :p
Yes I want Nole to win it, it would be wrong for Fed to be number 1 over Nole right now. This is important for Novak if he wants to keep collecting those slam titles :hearts:

Cajka
Jun 29th, 2012, 02:57 AM
By the way, since there's a discussion about Simon and guys being more popular than girls, does anyone remember this: http://www.scoopcelebrity.com/tennis-player-ana-ivanovic-bribed-prison-guards/?

Who's more popular, Simon or Ana? :ras: They are both top 15 players.

azdaja
Jun 29th, 2012, 10:55 AM
wtf, nadal lost? :lol: i only saw the result this morning since i was having fun celebrating germany's loss italy's win last night.

JAS_
Jun 29th, 2012, 11:14 AM
By the way, since there's a discussion about Simon and guys being more popular than girls, does anyone remember this: http://www.scoopcelebrity.com/tennis-player-ana-ivanovic-bribed-prison-guards/?

Who's more popular, Simon or Ana? :ras: They are both top 15 players.

Hahaha, lol, you should post it in that thread. Beat that Simon. :wavey:

JAS_
Jun 29th, 2012, 11:41 AM
wtf, nadal lost? :lol:

Yeah, I couldn't believe my eyes. Rosol was scary good. Glad he is not in Novak's half.
And Novak :facepalm: for losing that final :banghead: :smash:

Federer is going to pull like a young bull now, this being his best chance at crashing Pete's record.
Novak better be ready to take his turn at denying (Fed) history. :armed:

gaviotabr
Jun 29th, 2012, 01:40 PM
I couldn't believe my eyes last night watching Nadal losing to Rosol.. Nadal didn't play well, but Rosol was lights out.

This definitely opens up the draw for Murray.. huge chance of a final now. But I hope Novak wins it all.

Davodus
Jun 29th, 2012, 02:03 PM
Rosol was interesting...a lot of people when they play Nadal go out planning to be really aggressive and take it to him, but then within 5 games aren't doing that anymore. Rosol was never like...worried if he missed a shot, he kept going for them no matter what, and it really paid off because he found his timing and was just unbelievable. Amazing.

JAS_
Jun 30th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Aaaaargh :facepalm: this gives me so much pain. :banghead::bigcry:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=462928

gaviotabr
Jun 30th, 2012, 03:13 PM
Aaaaargh :facepalm: this gives me so much pain. :banghead::bigcry:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=462928

Tell me about it.. :sobbing: If there is still one match I can't accept from Ana it was that one.. :sobbing:

InsideOut.
Jun 30th, 2012, 04:07 PM
Still, I have to say :worship: Shvedova. Incredible stuff. And she had a shot a few years back too, dunno if you remember.

2006 Memphis she was up 5-0 40-0 against Amy Frazier winning the first 23 points...proceeds to lose 5 points in a row and Frazier holds, then she loses the match 1-6 6-0 6-0. Epic. Only WTA.

gaviotabr
Jun 30th, 2012, 04:22 PM
Still, I have to say :worship: Shvedova. Incredible stuff. And she had a shot a few years back too, dunno if you remember.

2006 Memphis she was up 5-0 40-0 against Amy Frazier winning the first 23 points...proceeds to lose 5 points in a row and Frazier holds, then she loses the match 1-6 6-0 6-0. Epic. Only WTA.

:lol: Truly epic scoreline.

JAS_
Jun 30th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Rosol out to Kohli. :happy:

JAS_
Jun 30th, 2012, 05:34 PM
I stumbled upon Julia's cheering thread. I thought it was Ana's :hysteric:
It is exactly the same :sobbing:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=441172&page=265

Cajka
Jun 30th, 2012, 05:47 PM
I stumbled upon Julia's cheering thread. I thought it was Ana's :hysteric:
It is exactly the same :sobbing:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=441172&page=265

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=20015735&postcount=646

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=20015785&postcount=648

Edit: http://www.tennisforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1311 :haha:

SidTheKid
Jun 30th, 2012, 05:55 PM
Sorana is really little Ana :lol: give her time she will find golf BF :D

azdaja
Jul 1st, 2012, 09:56 PM
Still, I have to say :worship: Shvedova. Incredible stuff. And she had a shot a few years back too, dunno if you remember.

2006 Memphis she was up 5-0 40-0 against Amy Frazier winning the first 23 points...proceeds to lose 5 points in a row and Frazier holds, then she loses the match 1-6 6-0 6-0. Epic. Only WTA.
omg, i think i remember that scoreline from this board. epic, really :lol:

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 01:36 PM
Complete madness ensuing in all matches.. :sobbing:

Petra a set down.. Serena into a third.. Masha 1-4 down.. :sobbing:

This way people from behind are all likely to pass Ana.. please favorites wake up!

Ana needs to win her match today so badly.. :sobbing:

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 01:54 PM
Complete madness ensuing in all matches.. :sobbing:

Petra a set down.. Serena into a third.. Masha 1-4 down.. :sobbing:

This way people from behind are all likely to pass Ana.. please favorites wake up!

Ana needs to win her match today so badly.. :sobbing:

You mean, Lisicki and Fran in the final? :spit: No. :)

Lisicki won't beat Maria and Fran won't reach the final.

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 01:58 PM
Maybe the wind can screw Maria. :scared:

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:01 PM
You mean, Lisicki and Fran in the final? :spit: No. :)

Lisicki won't beat Maria and Fran won't reach the final.

Maria just lost 1st set.

Serena just lost a 0-40 lead on Shvedova's serve and is going to serve at 4-5.

Fran is on serve in the second.

:sobbing:

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:06 PM
Maria just lost 1st set.

Serena just lost a 0-40 lead on Shvedova's serve and is going to serve at 4-5.

Fran is on serve in the second.

:sobbing:

OK, but let's not start with the worst possible scenarios. Even if shit happens, then what? Petra, Sharapova and Kvitova are worse opponents on grass than Vika, so those girls are in better form than Ana.

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:14 PM
OK, but let's not start with the worst possible scenarios. Even if shit happens, then what? Petra, Sharapova and Kvitova are worse opponents on grass than Vika, so those girls are in better form than Ana.

I know I know.. but still.. Kvitova was dreadful in the first set.. Couldn't find the court.

Serena just won though..

Hopefully the rain delay helps Maria.

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:18 PM
Are they going to close the roof or just wait for rain to go away?

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:18 PM
I know I know.. but still.. Kvitova was dreadful in the first set.. Couldn't find the court.

Serena just won though..

Hopefully the rain delay helps Maria.

Even if Fran beats Kvitova, Serena's serve is too good, I don't see her losing to Fran. I don't know about Lisicki's chances to reach the final. She has better chances than Fran, for sure.

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:24 PM
It seems they are not going to close the roof... Roof decisions at Wimbledon are so mind blowing..

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:29 PM
Not to mention their weird behavior about everything related to that roof. I think it was Safina who was the first one to play under that roof in the history. They asked her so much about playing under the roof. Ridiculous. :lol:

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:36 PM
Was it Kvitova grunting like Ana? :lol:

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:46 PM
Not to mention their weird behavior about everything related to that roof. I think it was Safina who was the first one to play under that roof in the history. They asked her so much about playing under the roof. Ridiculous. :lol:

This thing with the roof is ridiculous.. there is a drizzle.. umbrellas are up.. high chance of rain later on.. just close it!

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:55 PM
I'm scared of this slippery grass..

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:55 PM
Kvitova just won... Serena-Petra QF.

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:56 PM
60 minutes ago 3 biggest faves were all in big dangerous. Now, the only one who's in big dangerous is Sharapova. Will those results disappoint Vika a bit? :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:57 PM
Sharapova... :help:

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 02:59 PM
Sabine likes beating FO champions on Wimbledon. :tape:

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:00 PM
60 minutes ago 3 biggest faves were all in big dangerous. Now, the only one who's in big dangerous is Sharapova. Will those results disappoint Vika a bit? :sobbing:

I don't think so.. she will be even more motivated.. If Sharapova loses today, Vika can regain number 1 by beating Ana and rooting against A-Rad.

WAKE UP MASHA!

SidTheKid
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:01 PM
Masha is so loosing it..I hope whoever gets winner of Serena/Petra dfeats them donīt like iether of them :lol:

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:05 PM
Masha is so loosing it..I hope whoever gets winner of Serena/Petra dfeats them donīt like iether of them :lol:

i like Serena, don't like Kvitova much, but I'd still root for her against Vika.

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:12 PM
Sharapova is toast..

When was the last time the winner of the previous slam reached QF in the following slam? I think it was Kim winning USO 2010 and AO 2011 back to back..

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:16 PM
Sharapova is toast..

When was the last time the winner of the previous slam reached QF in the following slam? I think it was Kim winning USO 2010 and AO 2011 back to back..

Yes. It was Kim. If Serena (or Lisicki.. Radwanska...?) wins this, we'll have 7 different slam champions in the last 7 slams.

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:30 PM
Looks like an all german QF. Sabine wins. Kerber up a set.

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:41 PM
So, Agatha needs the final + Vika losing before the SF to become #1? I guess that Kerber is the biggest obstacle in her half. And Vika could lose today Paszek.

SidTheKid
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:43 PM
Kim is out too Wow..

Cajka
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:49 PM
I thought that Kerber could beat Kim, but I didn't expect her to rape her. :tape:

SidTheKid
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:49 PM
So new finalist from top half If Im not mistaken

gaviotabr
Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:02 PM
So new finalist from top half If Im not mistaken

Yes.. top half will have a 1st time slam finalist.

SidTheKid
Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:03 PM
So disapointed with Kim. Ana and Novak to save my day. If Ana is out I have no one to support on womenīs side. Well Kiri

doni1212
Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:06 PM
I don't think so.. she will be even more motivated.. If Sharapova loses today, Vika can regain number 1 by beating Ana and rooting against A-Rad.

WAKE UP MASHA!

I agree with that but I also think that if Ana is in this match and it gets close, Vika will get tight and crumble from the pressure.

She's got to be feeling the "upset bug" going around. And hopefully Ana will feel it too and take this huge opportunity!

azdaja
Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:09 PM
Yes. It was Kim. If Serena (or Lisicki.. Radwanska...?) wins this, we'll have 7 different slam champions in the last 7 slams.
or ana? :oh:

gaviotabr
Jul 3rd, 2012, 06:20 PM
Kerber choking like there is no tomorrow against Lisicki. :facepalm: Already wasted 3 MPs. The second MP included some great gets from Sabine, but also some real waste from Kerber.

3rd set now.

gaviotabr
Jul 3rd, 2012, 06:21 PM
The semis will be Kirilenko - Lisicki so that Ana falls a spot in the rankings... :hysteric:

gaviotabr
Jul 3rd, 2012, 06:24 PM
And now Radwanska loses 2nd set as well. Into a 3rd. :facepalm:

Both Kerber and Radwanska were a set and a break up.

gaviotabr
Jul 3rd, 2012, 06:37 PM
OMG Kerber.. :facepalm: She is toast now.. getting really good at this wasting MPs and losing the match thing.

If Ana ever lost a MP after wasting a MP like that 2nd MP I'd go crazy.

gaviotabr
Jul 3rd, 2012, 09:49 PM
Well.. semis set:

Serena-Azarenka

Radwanska-Kerber

azdaja
Jul 3rd, 2012, 09:55 PM
radwanska or kerber in the final :facepalm:

tamira :( a good fight but far from enough in the end.

i hope serena wins it now.

gaviotabr
Jul 3rd, 2012, 10:22 PM
radwanska or kerber in the final :facepalm:

tamira :( a good fight but far from enough in the end.

At least she made it very competitive.. Ana.. :facepalm:

i hope serena wins it now.

I'm also rooting for Serena.

stegall
Jul 3rd, 2012, 11:45 PM
How Paszek came out and played is how I would have liked Ana to have done.She didn't seem overwhelmed by the occasion.

gaviotabr
Jul 3rd, 2012, 11:53 PM
How Paszek came out and played is how I would have liked Ana to have done.She didn't seem overwhelmed by the occasion.

Yes.. at least she was trying and she was fighting.. she didn't bow down and accept defeat the moment she stepped on court like Ana. But hey.. few bow down as perfectly as Ana.. :facepalm:

spiritedenergy
Jul 4th, 2012, 12:03 AM
i like rad and kerber... i hope one of them win. But Serena of course deserves it the most... Vika, no please, enough of her.

gaviotabr
Jul 4th, 2012, 12:09 AM
i like rad and kerber... i hope one of them win. But Serena of course deserves it the most... Vika, no please, enough of her.

Hey Luca! Nice to see you around.

spiritedenergy
Jul 4th, 2012, 12:11 AM
Hey Luca! Nice to see you around.

hey izzy what's up? :p

I am at a loss of words about Ana :help:

gaviotabr
Jul 4th, 2012, 12:15 AM
hey izzy what's up? :p

I am at a loss of words about Ana :help:

I'm good.. on a short vacation now. :)

Ana... I just.. I keep hoping she rises to the occasion, but her bowing down tendencies never fail. Amazing how she walks in defeated in every one of those big matches.. never fails. :facepalm:

I keep thinking.. who else bows down like this every time she faces a top player.. but I can't think of anyone in the top30. :tape:

Sean.
Jul 4th, 2012, 03:40 AM
Sorry guys, I need to take a break from Ana at the moment, I've not been able to even bring myself to watch THAT match, or even read about it.

I stil love her, but I it's too much at the moment. :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Jul 4th, 2012, 02:20 PM
Sorry guys, I need to take a break from Ana at the moment, I've not been able to even bring myself to watch THAT match, or even read about it.

I stil love her, but I it's too much at the moment. :sobbing:

I know.. its tough.. :hug:

gaviotabr
Jul 5th, 2012, 01:57 PM
Even Radwanska serves better than Ana these days... :o

tennisrules
Jul 5th, 2012, 02:27 PM
Even Radwanska serves better than Ana these days... :o

Which is just ridiculously sad. Remember when Ana used to own Radwanska?

gaviotabr
Jul 5th, 2012, 02:31 PM
Which is just ridiculously sad. Remember when Ana used to own Radwanska?

:sobbing: I do.. memories keep me going here to be honest...

Ana has lost last 4 matches against Radwanska now.. :sobbing:

The serve is really sad and shocking.. while Ana's serve has been progressively losing speed, it has gained nothing on placement and effect. Radwanska's serve is still slightly slower, but it more than compensates it on great placement and a lot of effect.

Cajka
Jul 5th, 2012, 02:35 PM
Radwanska has improved a lot since 2008 and Ana has declined. :shrug:

gaviotabr
Jul 5th, 2012, 02:41 PM
Radwanska has improved a lot since 2008 and Ana has declined. :shrug:

Simple truth..

Cajka
Jul 5th, 2012, 03:34 PM
Simple truth..

And Ana's 1st serve is not much faster than Aga's now. Amazing. :shrug:

Aga's stats are amazing. So clean. 3 aces, 0 dfs, high 1st serve percentage, great W/UE ratio. And her skills and on-court intelligence are great. She sometimes really looks like mini Hingis.

gaviotabr
Jul 5th, 2012, 04:01 PM
Is Serena going to choke this?

Had tons of chances on Vika's service games early in the second set and only managed to break once. Now Vika playing better and Serena's level dipped.. She had it at a set and 3-1 up.. but..

gaviotabr
Jul 5th, 2012, 04:15 PM
Ok Serena just won. 24 aces makes a huge difference. :lol:

gaviotabr
Jul 5th, 2012, 04:16 PM
Vika played a very good second set.

Ivanovic2008
Jul 6th, 2012, 12:51 AM
if only Ana could serve like Serena :lol:
24 Aces though, that's pretty amazing!

gaviotabr
Jul 6th, 2012, 02:59 PM
Novak.. :help:

Hitting too much to Fed's FH..

gaviotabr
Jul 6th, 2012, 03:01 PM
OMG..

Federer is going to win his first slam in ages.. ok, since 2010.

Ivanovic2008
Jul 6th, 2012, 03:14 PM
Djoko comes back from 0-40 (1-4 in games) and now has an ad...

Shinjiro
Jul 7th, 2012, 12:27 AM
I know what I said earlier... but I also want Murray to win... :(

gaviotabr
Jul 7th, 2012, 03:49 PM
Serena choking like there is no tomorrow.. OMG.. :facepalm:

Sean.
Jul 7th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Wtf Rena? :facepalm:

gaviotabr
Jul 7th, 2012, 03:59 PM
OMG... Serena is indeed choking this.. Amazingly bad 2 service games from her. Into a 3rd.

Sean.
Jul 7th, 2012, 04:00 PM
http://ithuglife.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/622.gif

She'll still win this though. ;)

gaviotabr
Jul 7th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Serena playing like crap now.. Barely getting 1st serves in..

Giftwrapping a slam title to Radwanska.

gaviotabr
Jul 7th, 2012, 04:14 PM
3 BPs wasted already in 3rd set.. Serena.. :facepalm:

gaviotabr
Jul 7th, 2012, 04:31 PM
Ok.. Serena playing better.. will serve for the match now..

gaviotabr
Jul 7th, 2012, 04:38 PM
Serena wins. Well deserved. Aga played very well and willed herself to fight when things werent easy.. I really admire that.

gaviotabr
Jul 7th, 2012, 04:43 PM
Oh Aga is crying.. :hug:

Davodus
Jul 7th, 2012, 05:33 PM
Aga has a LOT to be proud of imo. She fought her guts out, ran for everything and had imo the courage to change her game and stand up to Serena and take the game on. I'm personally proud of the effort she put in, because she could've just crumbled away.

The 2nd Law
Jul 8th, 2012, 04:48 AM
Aga is a class above Woz, I would not be bothered in the slightest if she became number 1 :yeah:

Needed a break from Ana, probably won't post here much for a while :lol: Gonna go look at the other threads in here now :unsure:

azdaja
Jul 8th, 2012, 07:09 PM
anyone feels sorry for murray? i almost do but only almost.

Davodus
Jul 8th, 2012, 07:26 PM
Not a bit :p

Nalby fan
Jul 8th, 2012, 08:10 PM
anyone feels sorry for murray? i almost do but only almost.

Yup,absolutely devastated. :sad:

Andy :hug:

gaviotabr
Jul 9th, 2012, 01:15 AM
I felt sorry for Murray.. he had this really heartfelt speech..

azdaja
Jul 19th, 2012, 07:32 PM
nadal won't take part in the olympic tournament. what do the citizens of anapolis say about this?

Nalby fan
Jul 19th, 2012, 07:50 PM
Rafa :sad::hug:

The Olympics is poorer for his withdrawal.

gaviotabr
Jul 19th, 2012, 11:17 PM
nadal won't take part in the olympic tournament. what do the citizens of anapolis say about this?

I think its sad.. reminds me of Ana in Beijing.. :sobbing:

Cajka
Jul 19th, 2012, 11:21 PM
What can you say about that except that it's a big shame? The health comes first and the only good thing is that he already won gold in 2008. I hope he'll recover soon, the injuries screwed him few times in his career, but he usually comes back even stronger. Amazing mental strength and fighting spirit. Like Serena and Masha.

gaviotabr
Jul 29th, 2012, 02:40 PM
Goerges just hit 20 aces to beat Aga. Probably one of the best matches I've ever seen Julia play. 56 winners as well.

HowardH
Jul 29th, 2012, 02:42 PM
What a display from Julia :drool:. Serve was on.

gaviotabr
Jul 29th, 2012, 02:53 PM
What a display from Julia :drool:. Serve was on.

Julia's serve was amaze.. those are Serena numbers!

2nd serve was effective as well.

This quarter of the draw is very open, considering how crappy Kvitova played yesterday. Julia has a legit shot at a semi-final if she continues to play like this.

Cajka
Jul 29th, 2012, 03:03 PM
It's possible. Kvitova plays like shit. Is Pironkova in that quarter?

gaviotabr
Jul 29th, 2012, 03:19 PM
It's possible. Kvitova plays like shit. Is Pironkova in that quarter?

Yes.. should play Kvitova in the 3rd round.

Cajka
Jul 29th, 2012, 03:23 PM
Well, serving like this, Julia can beat anyone but Serena. But I don't believe she can play like this few matches in a row.

gaviotabr
Jul 29th, 2012, 03:30 PM
Well, serving like this, Julia can beat anyone but Serena. But I don't believe she can play like this few matches in a row.

Yes.. that's the thing.. Julia is very up and down. She might just turn up like an UEs machine in the next round. That's why I mentioned that she has a shot IF she keeps this up.

SidTheKid
Jul 29th, 2012, 06:04 PM
Julia can be top 10 but has same problem as Ana. Her head

azdaja
Jul 29th, 2012, 07:43 PM
i saw most of the match between julia and aga and it was good. i have to say, i don't get to see many women's tennis matches these days but when i do they tend to be good :unsure:

gaviotabr
Jul 30th, 2012, 01:33 PM
I'm watching Vika going into a 3rd set with Begu and I still can't understand why Ana just didn't show up to play that Wimbledon match.. :facepalm: Seriously...

Cajka
Jul 30th, 2012, 06:45 PM
I'm watching Vika going into a 3rd set with Begu and I still can't understand why Ana just didn't show up to play that Wimbledon match.. :facepalm: Seriously...

Actually, she played much better than Vika in that match. Her serve was good, she was playing better than Vika off the ground. Vika was too lucky in crucial moments. The scoreline doesn't do Ana justice at all. #fulltrollmode :oh:

azdaja
Jul 31st, 2012, 06:42 PM
epic match in the making between tsonga and raonic :oh:

gaviotabr
Aug 1st, 2012, 07:16 PM
Sharapova about to lose to Lisicki.. she is a clay specialist these days..

Her game on grass is so not effective...

gaviotabr
Aug 1st, 2012, 07:17 PM
Sharapova looks like Ana... missing returns on BP

gaviotabr
Aug 1st, 2012, 07:27 PM
But.. fighting spirit still there. Sharapova struggles to a third set. This match is a bit of a mess..

gaviotabr
Aug 1st, 2012, 07:56 PM
I'm going to go all Doni on Olympics and be rooting like mad to Serena tomorrow. COME ONNN!

SidTheKid
Aug 1st, 2012, 08:16 PM
Sharapova about to lose to Lisicki.. she is a clay specialist these days..

Her game on grass is so not effective...

Say what :D

Cajka
Aug 1st, 2012, 08:20 PM
If Sharapova loses to Kim... :facepalm:

SidTheKid
Aug 1st, 2012, 08:21 PM
How I wish Ana had Masha mental strenght

gaviotabr
Aug 1st, 2012, 08:43 PM
Say what :D

Sharapova won this match on fighting spirit and mental strength.. certainly wasn't because of the quality of her tennis.

gaviotabr
Aug 1st, 2012, 08:43 PM
If Sharapova loses to Kim... :facepalm:

If she plays like today, Kim has a good chance.

How I wish Ana had Masha mental strenght

Make that 2 of us!

SidTheKid
Aug 1st, 2012, 08:59 PM
Make that 2 of us!

She would be top 3 for sure

18majors
Aug 2nd, 2012, 07:38 PM
If Sharapova loses to Kim... :facepalm:

Cajka, Maria didn't lose to Kim but she didn't doublebagel her either. Sorry about that!

gaviotabr
Aug 3rd, 2012, 04:34 PM
Epic match going on between Federer and DelPotro. Whoever loses this will be completely heartbroken.

azdaja
Aug 3rd, 2012, 04:58 PM
i hoped del potro would win :(

fANAtic
Aug 3rd, 2012, 05:56 PM
Vika getting her ass handed to her. I wonder how Ana would fare against Serena... 6:-5 , 6:-3?

Shinjiro
Aug 3rd, 2012, 06:47 PM
Both men were on the verge of tears at the end. :hug:

gaviotabr
Aug 3rd, 2012, 06:52 PM
Vika getting her ass handed to her. I wonder how Ana would fare against Serena... 6:-5 , 6:-3?

Instead of fighting for games, Ana would be fighting for points.. :sobbing:

doni1212
Aug 3rd, 2012, 06:57 PM
I'm going to go all Doni on Olympics and be rooting like mad to Serena tomorrow. COME ONNN!

Yayyyy! :lol:

Vika getting her ass handed to her. I wonder how Ana would fare against Serena... 6:-5 , 6:-3?

On grass? Man oh man. I never want to see that.

Instead of fighting for games, Ana would be fighting for points.. :sobbing:

True, :sad:

gaviotabr
Aug 4th, 2012, 12:03 AM
Oh Nole.. :sobbing:

Its ok.. Nole and Ana can win gold medals in Rio 2016. And I hope they consider playing mixed together. At least it would be fun.

gaviotabr
Aug 4th, 2012, 02:09 PM
I was watching Kirilenko-Azarenka.. they care SO much. Azarenka won and it was like winning a slam.. even if it was only a bronze medal. Midmatch Kirilenko had a bout of tears, so upset to see the match slipping away.. then she won 3 games in a row, fighting so hard.

Its really nice to see how much the Olympics mean.

gaviotabr
Aug 4th, 2012, 02:09 PM
Ready to watch the gold medal match now! Serena-Sharapova!

gaviotabr
Aug 4th, 2012, 02:21 PM
It's so windy..

gaviotabr
Aug 4th, 2012, 03:26 PM
Total demolition job. Serena was simply amazing. No words really..

Feel a little for Sharapova.. but man, Serena deserves this gold medal. She slayed the field.

All medals go the the 2012 slam winners.

18majors
Aug 5th, 2012, 12:05 AM
Total demolition job. Serena was simply amazing. No words really..

Feel a little for Sharapova.. but man, Serena deserves this gold medal. She slayed the field.

All medals go the the 2012 slam winners.

Do you have any doubts that Maria will come back stronger than ever in 2012?

gaviotabr
Aug 5th, 2012, 03:02 PM
Novak.. :sobbing: He really felt the loss of the semis.. he is looking at the sky as if to say God didn't want him to win.

gaviotabr
Aug 5th, 2012, 03:03 PM
Do you have any doubts that Maria will come back stronger than ever in 2012?

I'm sure she will come back strong. Serena was just too much to anyone.. slayed the whole field really.

azdaja
Aug 5th, 2012, 08:09 PM
novak :facepalm: i did feel he would lose if he was to fight for bronze, though. i am not to keen on 3rd place matches in any sport. it really depends so much on how much do you want it and how dissappointed you are by the loss in your semifinal.

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2012, 06:10 PM
I'm doing a bit of scouting and watching Vinci-Wickmayer. Vinci actually won the first set.. and it reminded me that Ana lost to Vinci in the 3rd round of this same tournament last year..:tape:

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2012, 06:43 PM
Wicky takes the second set... on to a third..

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2012, 07:10 PM
Wickmayer totally turned this around now... double break up in the third set.. barring a major come back, it should be Ana x Wicky in the 2nd round. Really tough match..

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2012, 07:14 PM
5-1. Vinci missing a lot.. Wicky touching and stretching her back.

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2012, 07:28 PM
Man.. my jinxing powers.. 5-4 now.. 0-30

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2012, 07:30 PM
And its a major comeback.. from 1-5 to 5-5 for Vinci. :tape:

Wicky seems to be struggling with her back.

gaviotabr
Aug 7th, 2012, 07:37 PM
And Vinci wins 7-5, saving 1 MP.

Wicky really seemed to be struggling a lot with her back in the end.

gaviotabr
Aug 9th, 2012, 12:17 AM
Amazing how Kvitova is completely alergic to the north american hard courts.

It would be good if Ana could draw Petra at the USO. There would be a 85% chance she wouldn't make it to the 4th round.

Pity Ana got the most reliable 5-8 player in the 3rd round in Montreal.. This tournament is bound to be a big chance for many players.

gaviotabr
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:09 AM
:lol: My jinxing powers are really something.. Pervak choked badly while serving for the match, double faults and all, and Petra ended up winning 6-0 in the third. Major melt down from Pervak.

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 01:35 AM
:spit: I love Serena.. :lol: She is just too awesome! I've been literally laughing out loud for the past 30 minutes watching her play Daniliidou in Cincy. She is talking to the hand, looking at the sky, grunting like crying, so unsatisfied at her performance that its completely hilarious. Then after an ace or winner its either that huge come on to the floor, or a negative nod and a bored look. :spit: She leads 6-3 5-3 now by the way. :spit:

gaviotabr
Aug 15th, 2012, 01:42 AM
I hope someone makes a gif of that reaction and the posterior: "What's going on with me!!!??" :spit:

Deestruction
Aug 15th, 2012, 02:45 AM
Serena is a perfectionist in the most hilarious way, i cant stop laughing :rolls:

Cajka
Aug 28th, 2012, 11:32 PM
I'm watching Fran and Stephens. Fran is crappy, but Stephens is rock solid and her serve is biiiig.

gaviotabr
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:03 AM
I'm watching Fran and Stephens. Fran is crappy, but Stephens is rock solid and her serve is biiiig.

:sobbing:

Ana had a tight 2 setter against Sloane last year.. and Sloane is playing better now, while Ana is playing worse.. :sobbing:

Cajka
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:11 AM
:sobbing:

Ana had a tight 2 setter against Sloane last year.. and Sloane is playing better now, while Ana is playing worse.. :sobbing:

Ana doesn't play much worse than she did then. It's a similar level. She made some progress in the first part of the season, now it looks the same. Her matches against Pervak and Stephens last year were pretty bad.

gaviotabr
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:15 AM
Ana doesn't play much worse than she did then. It's a similar level. She made some progress in the first part of the season, now it looks the same. Her matches against Pervak and Stephens last year were pretty bad.

Still think Ana is playing slightly worse now... :shrug:

Cajka
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:21 AM
Still think Ana is playing slightly worse now... :shrug:

No way, she had awful winners to ues ratio in those two matches, I remember it was like 18 to 30 in both matches. And Pervak and Stephens both played awful. Probably worse than Svitolina today. Her serve was not much better than today. It was her flukest slam run ever. Beating Stephens and Pervak to reach the R4. But it was an amazing result last year.

gaviotabr
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:38 AM
No way, she had awful winners to ues ratio in those two matches, I remember it was like 18 to 30 in both matches. And Pervak and Stephens both played awful. Probably worse than Svitolina today. Her serve was not much better than today. It was her flukest slam run ever. Beating Stephens and Pervak to reach the R4. But it was an amazing result last year.

:lol: No way did Sloane and Pervak play worse than Svitolina today. They could actually make rallies and hit to Ana's BH. Today, as long as Ana kept the ball inside the court, she would win points.. didnt need to do much with her own shots.. not the case last year. Both Sloane and Pervak bring lots of balls back. Ana was also not serving only 30%.. or facing someone completely unable to return. Svitolina aocmplished the unlikely task of making Ana win over 70% of 2nd serve points.. :spit: No way that happens against someone decent, like Sloane or Pervak.

Ana wasnt playing well last year.. and it might be a bit of a flukey run.. but she was most definitely playing better than now.

Cajka
Aug 29th, 2012, 12:48 AM
:lol: No way did Sloane and Pervak play worse than Svitolina today. They could actually make rallies and hit to Ana's BH. Today, as long as Ana kept the ball inside the court, she would win points.. didnt need to do much with her own shots.. not the case last year. Both Sloane and Pervak bring lots of balls back. Ana was also not serving only 30%.. or facing someone completely unable to return. Svitolina aocmplished the unlikely task of making Ana win over 70% of 2nd serve points.. :spit: No way that happens against someone decent, like Sloane or Pervak.

Ana wasnt playing well last year.. and it might be a bit of a flukey run.. but she was most definitely playing better than now.

The fact that Svitolina couldn't return Ana's second serve doesn't mean that it was Ana playing bad. Her toss was a mess, the bh is still a big issue, but she didn't play her worst match ever. It was a routine win and it should've been 62 61 had Ana played better on Svitolina's serve. Last year Sloane was so bad, I remember in the beginning of the first set Serbian commentator said that Sloane's performance must be encouraging for parents whose daughter wants to become a pro. It was the first time ever I agreed with him. But, soon after that, Ana started playing awful, so it became tough. Really, except for one amazing rally, it was an awful match. I remember that Sloane served at Ana's forehand. Just like Svitolina. :spit: About Pervak... She started well, she was even leading, but she was back to club level after that. Ana's best match last year was against Serena. If she could play like that against Sloane, she could reach the QF, but I'm not very optimistic.

gaviotabr
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:06 AM
The fact that Svitolina couldn't return Ana's second serve doesn't mean that it was Ana playing bad. Her toss was a mess, the bh is still a big issue, but she didn't play her worst match ever. It was a routine win and it should've been 62 61 had Ana played better on Svitolina's serve. Last year Sloane was so bad, I remember in the beginning of the first set Serbian commentator said that Sloane's performance must be encouraging for parents whose daughter wants to become a pro. It was the first time ever I agreed with him. But, soon after that, Ana started playing awful, so it became tough. Really, except for one amazing rally, it was an awful match. I remember that Sloane served at Ana's forehand. Just like Svitolina. :spit: About Pervak... She started well, she was even leading, but she was back to club level after that. Ana's best match last year was against Serena. If she could play like that against Sloane, she could reach the QF, but I'm not very optimistic.

Ana's second serve was not good at all.. it was her usual 2nd serve.. But Svitolina didnt attack it.. she could barely make a decent return. That wasnt due to Ana's 2nd serve miraculously turning amazing, it was due to Svitolina's craptastic return. Nobody else from now on will be so awful returning Ana's serve.

Last year, even when Sloane and Pervak were playing club level they were making Ana hit tons more BHs than Ana got to hit today. That Ana managed to make 23 Ues in 17 games against someone who would barely bring a single ball back says a lot.

I agree last years matches werent good.. but this was only a straighfoward win because Svitolina is still a junior player, couldnt keep 2 balls inside the court, double faulted a lot, was slow and returned stupidly. Easier to look better when your opponent is just on a junior level. If Ana has 34% 1st serves against any decent player, instead of not facing a single break point she will hardly ever hold her serve. And we can agree Ana was not returning well at all.

Ana either starts to play a LOT better or she might just lose to Sofia.

Cajka
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:24 AM
But what was Ana's 1st serve % against Pervak last year? 36 %? And she hit 8 double faults in that match. And she got broken only twice. Really, it's hard to say that it was somewhat better than this. Had she hit 8 double faults in this match, she would get broken, no matter how crappy Svitolina's return is.

It was a different perspective last year. She could barely win the matches last year, so every win was just great. Now, after a much better first part of the season, these bagels are very disappointing. Her 2 worst losses ever were after RG. But it doesn't mean that she wouldn't beat 2011 Sloane. I think she would and it would be a similar scoreline. 2012 Sloane is a much better player.

By the way, is it me or Begu is playing so similar to Woz? :tape: I'm really pissed. Why can't Ana get a draw like this when she plays well? :o

gaviotabr
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:38 AM
But what was Ana's 1st serve % against Pervak last year? 36 %? And she hit 8 double faults in that match. And she got broken only twice. Really, it's hard to say that it was somewhat better than this. Had she hit 8 double faults in this match, she would get broken, no matter how crappy Svitolina's return is.

It was a different perspective last year. She could barely win the matches last year, so every win was just great. Now, after a much better first part of the season, these bagels are very disappointing. Her 2 worst losses ever were after RG. But it doesn't mean that she wouldn't beat 2011 Sloane. I think she would and it would be a similar scoreline. 2012 Sloane is a much better player.

We can agree to disagree.. I think Ana is definitely playing worse at this point then at the same point last year. Pervak and Sloane werent playing well last year, but they were actually playing.. this match today, Svitolina was unable to do anything.. she didnt hit winners, she didnt run balls, she didnt do anything.. and Ana was still making tons of UEs.

I also think coming to this point Ana was on an upward curve.. doing ok during USO series.. while now she is on a downward curve, coming from the 2 worst performances of her whole career. I dont think we should bring up first part of the season now, as its irrelevant to how she is playing right now.

By the way, is it me or Begu is playing so similar to Woz? :tape: I'm really pissed. Why can't Ana get a draw like this when she plays well? :o

:sobbing: WHY? Whenever she actually played well, she had some major player in the 4th round.. now if Caro loses there will be no seeded player in Ana's way to the QF.. yet she is playing like crap and might just crap out to just about anyone. :sobbing:

Cajka
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:48 AM
Even if Caro wins, she plays much worse than Kvitova on AO, Errani on RG and Vika on Wimbledon. But it's useless to comment on that.

gaviotabr
Aug 29th, 2012, 01:56 AM
And Caro loses.. There are no seeds left in Ana's path until the QF.. its a golden opportunity.. watch Ana lose to a scrub now.. :sobbing:

Cajka
Aug 29th, 2012, 02:00 AM
We have no idea what to expect now. I hope she can play better from now on. She needs to play on top 30 level to reach the QF now. It can't be too much to ask. :sobbing:

Linguae^
Aug 29th, 2012, 02:29 AM
She is so reaching her USO QF, haters stepping up.

Deestruction
Aug 29th, 2012, 06:49 AM
Well i can only hope she will reach the QF thats all. Dont make me say she will because im not too sure :tape:

HowardH
Aug 29th, 2012, 09:28 AM
Draw is opening for her. No idea whether she will be able to take advantage of it.

azdaja
Aug 29th, 2012, 10:41 AM
i was actually thinking about the qf even before caro lost. it's obvious she is in poor form. for the most of the year ana was beating players she was supposed to beat and she now needs to do just that.

The 2nd Law
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:26 AM
I can't believe that Robson beat Kim! She had the same mentality that a certain Serbian headcase also had at that age

Cajka
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:29 AM
Just to think that Ana was never able to do what Laura did tonight.

The 2nd Law
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:32 AM
Yes, perhaps I was wrong about Ana's mentality. I feel lik ed maybe she was always scared of the biggest players

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:40 AM
I was watching Laura Robson beat Clijsters.. and couldnt help but think everyone seems to score big wins, even if here and there, except Ana. :sobbing:

Laura played the best I've ever seen her play.. moving really well, good defense, making way less errors than usual, hitting hard. She is now working with Zejko Krajan. And I read something on twitter that also made me think.. saying a coach cant fix someone's game in one month, but can make the player believe in the game they have. That's true.. somehow I think no coach really tried to do this with Ana. Each came trying to change her game.. be it making her go to the net (Cardon), or add consistency and spin (Nigel).. Sometimes I feel like Ana doesnt really know what is her game and what she should be doing out there. Cant believe in a game that she is not even totally sure how and what it should be like. And os many people trying to change it must make her feel it was never good enough in the first place.

Also feel like.. no matter how bad these big name players play, Ana just doesnt think she should be winning.. so no matter how many chances she had, she just find ways to blow them. Kim is probably the best example of that, with those 2 completely choked away matches Ana had against her. Watching Laura take advantage of Kim's patchy play today to play her own best match and win really made me think.. Will Ana ever have some transformation? I mean.. will she ever really play a great match again when it actually matters? Feels like forever since Ana actually played a great match... and even longer since that happened on an important stage. :sobbing:

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:44 AM
I can't believe that Robson beat Kim! She had the same mentality that a certain Serbian headcase also had at that age

Ana had a similar match against Venus when she came up on tour.. played great.. but different from Laura, Ana managed to blow 11 set points (6 in the 1st set, 5 in the 2nd) to lose that match 76 76.

I dont think Ana ever believed she should beat those big players.. the mentality was never really there.. the closest she had of that mentality was from early 2008 to mid 2008.

Cajka
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:47 AM
Years of doubts and changes, Izzy. It's hard to fix it now. Laura is very young and it's kinda easier to change the wrong mindset. But years of awful results, changing the coaches, heartbreaking losses. She needs more than a coach. Whatever Nigel tells her before she comes on the court to play against a big player disappears in the same moment she steps on the court. There are some issues that you can't solve just like that. Sport psychologist is necessary, but even that doesn't mean she'll defeat her demons. But she could try at least.

Joana
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:51 AM
She did beat Mauresmo at RG '05. I know, Mauresmo always sucked/choked there, but she was holding her ground very well right until the last game and Ana played fearless, attacking tennis to win that match.

Cajka
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:55 AM
Mauresmo, Hingis, Masha and Vee. The only big wins. I thought that at least her fear of Venus will disappear after AO 2008. It could be done had she won that match in Zurich 2008. Maybe it would end the mini slump she was facing back then.

Deestruction
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:56 AM
I agree with Cajka, seriously we all know even the world knows that her mindset was so unhealthy it not even funny and when things go wrong she blames it on someone else. What she needs is a prayer, not a psychiatrist, not a coach, not a mental special anything. She needs a prayer for her life to save herself for being the biggest flop in the history of tennis. Lemme scratch that, no one can top Ivanovic's big flop, NO ONE.

Joana
Aug 30th, 2012, 12:58 AM
Mauresmo, Hingis, Masha and Vee.

Heh, I meant big wins when she was young, but when you put it like that, she really does have very few big wins. :tape:

Cajka
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:02 AM
Heh, I meant big wins when she was young, but when you put it like that, she really does have very few big wins. :tape:

Well, if we count Mauresmo, we should count Sveta too, but nobody takes her seriously. To be fair to her, there are no many players that she never managed to beat.

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:05 AM
Years of doubts and changes, Izzy. It's hard to fix it now. Laura is very young and it's kinda easier to change the wrong mindset. But years of awful results, changing the coaches, heartbreaking losses. She needs more than a coach. Whatever Nigel tells her before she comes on the court to play against a big player disappears in the same moment she steps on the court. There are some issues that you can't solve just like that. Sport psychologist is necessary, but even that doesn't mean she'll defeat her demons. But she could try at least.

I know.. now there is probably just too much damage done already.. she would need some deep specific work to even try to overcome it...

But I meant when her issues started.. instead of making her believe in the game she had, people around her kept trying to change her game.. and change it.. and change it.. and that trend is still there to this day.

People were mentioning Na Li.. who had been in some flunk.. and then got a new coach and is playing really well now.. he didnt make anything to her game yet, so he can only have made her believe in it.

Its just sad, but it might be all too late for Ana. :(

Cajka
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:09 AM
But I meant when her issues started.. instead of making her believe in the game she had, people around her kept trying to change her game.. and change it.. and change it.. and that trend is still there to this day.


This was what my friend said back in 2009. She said something like this: "They tried to change her serve, to make it less predictable. I mean, why trying to change something that works good enough? They didn't help her at all, they screwed her toss and what is worse, they destroyed the most important thing - her confidence."

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:13 AM
Heh, I meant big wins when she was young, but when you put it like that, she really does have very few big wins. :tape:

Ana had her fair share of chokes against these big players.. and some lack of luck in where she was facing them.

For an example.. Ana never faced either Williams sisters on clay, or Kim.. Out of Ana's 8 matches against Venus, 2 were at Wimbledon, 2 on indoor hard, 1 at USO, 1 in Miami.. all favorable places to Venus. Out of Ana's 3 matches against Serena, 2 were at USO. Ana faced Kim in Miami, USO, Brisbane, all tournaments Kim had won already.. and on grass, which is Ana's worst surface. So that all helped I guess...

But yes.. mentality was never really there. I feel like Ana put some players in pedestals, and never thought she deserved to have any chance to challenge them.. as if she was inferior. :sad:

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:20 AM
This was what my friend said back in 2009. She said something like this: "They tried to change her serve, to make it less predictable. I mean, why trying to change something that works good enough? They didn't help her at all, they screwed her toss and what is worse, they destroyed the most important thing - her confidence."


That is very true IMHO.. I have a lot of issue with Sven because of that.. after Ana won RG, he said she needed to improve a lot and become a more complete player if she wanted to keep the number 1 ranking. That sentence alone screams lack of belief in the game Ana already had.. its like saying that game was not good enough. And I think that stuck with her somehow. To this very day I dont think she sees that game she had as good enough.. and it was good enough, it was great, 1000 times better than now. Look at what she says every time she gets asked.. And then, every other coach she had kept trying to change her game, change her shots, and that only made her more confused, and less confident in what she could do.

Cajka
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:27 AM
Maybe they thought that it was not good enough for WS. If that's true, no wonder she's so scared. If she had a coach like Nigel or Heinz back then, perhaps this would never happened. Her game wasn't good enough? She reached AO final and won RG. It was perfectly fine.

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:40 AM
Maybe they thought that it was not good enough for WS. If that's true, no wonder she's so scared. If she had a coach like Nigel or Heinz back then, perhaps this would never happened. Her game wasn't good enough? She reached AO final and won RG. It was perfectly fine.

It was more than good enough, it was a great game.. :sobbing: To this day I feel like Ana doesnt think her game back then was that good.. everytime she gets asked, I cringe with her answer.. its sad that she cant see how great she once was. She never really tried to play like that again.

Like I cringe when she says that back then she was flattening out her FH too much and that was not good.. that was exactly what made her FH special. But well..

I just see so many players going from slumps into patches of great play.. JJ can be an example.. she had some crappy times in 2009.. and then played some awesome tennis in 2010.. Ana.. maybe a good match here and there, but really.. long time since she actually sustains a high level. I wonder if it will ever really happen.. she keeps saying this is a process.. but how long is it supposed to last? 10 years or what?

Cajka
Aug 30th, 2012, 01:49 AM
It was more than good enough, it was a great game.. :sobbing: To this day I feel like Ana doesnt think her game back then was that good.. everytime she gets asked, I cringe with her answer.. its sad that she cant see how great she once was. She never really tried to play like that again.

Like I cringe when she says that back then she was flattening out her FH too much and that was not good.. that was exactly what made her FH special. But well..

I just see so many players going from slumps into patches of great play.. JJ can be an example.. she had some crappy times in 2009.. and then played some awesome tennis in 2010.. Ana.. maybe a good match here and there, but really.. long time since she actually sustains a high level. I wonder if it will ever really happen.. she keeps saying this is a process.. but how long is it supposed to last? 10 years or what?

Process? It's a self-defense. She created a wall. :shrug: Isn't that something that we all do when we have no guts to make some necessary adjustments? I had a friend who weighed like 120 kilos when we used to spend time together. Losing weight was always a process for her. Running is too hard, she could get a heart attack. Cutting on food... She tried, but she thought she would faint... Seeing a dietitian? No, everybody knows how to lose weight. Seeing a dietitian and paying for advice is stupid, she knows it all. How 'bout psychologist? What? She's not crazy.

gaviotabr
Aug 30th, 2012, 03:18 AM
Process? It's a self-defense. She created a wall. :shrug: Isn't that something that we all do when we have no guts to make some necessary adjustments? I had a friend who weighed like 120 kilos when we used to spend time together. Losing weight was always a process for her. Running is too hard, she could get a heart attack. Cutting on food... She tried, but she thought she would faint... Seeing a dietitian? No, everybody knows how to lose weight. Seeing a dietitian and paying for advice is stupid, she knows it all. How 'bout psychologist? What? She's not crazy.

Yes.. I agree.. Ana just doesnt want to get out of her comfort zone to do what it takes..

That's why I take issue with people, like Gavin, who say Ana is ubber determined.. How can someone be this determined and refuse to do so much that could help? Thats not being determined to me.. thats wanting things to happen on your own terms.. and that hardly ever happens.