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AnnaK_4ever
Mar 22nd, 2010, 09:22 PM
To put an end (well, obviously NOT) to all debates about "the worst #1s ever" and other embarrassments to the WTA rankings (read : Wozniacki) I decided to compare the highest amounts of points amassed by each of the top-10 players who have had their best tour/slam results since 1996/1997. I believe I shouldn't explain why 1997 is "the point of no return" when it comes to comparing players' ranks, right?
Of course, it would be impossible to compare their highest point totals directly since post-1997 ranking system has been modified several times already, albeit far less drastically. Therefore I implemented my own points distribution system fairly similar to the ones WTA and ATP used in the past years. It only gives slightly more weight to Grand Slam titles over Tier I titles and to W over RU.

This is how points are distributed between tournaments and rounds reached:

WON RU SF QF R16 R32 R64 R128

Grand Slam 1000 600 360 240 120 60 30 0
Tier I [128] 400 240 150 90 55 30 15 0
Tier I [64] 400 240 150 90 50 25 0
Olympics 360 210 130 85 45 20 0
Tier I [32] 360 210 130 85 40 0
Tier II [64] 240 140 90 55 30 15 0
Tier II [32] 240 140 90 55 25 0
MM [64] 120 70 40 25 15 5 0
MM [32] 120 70 40 25 10 0

WON RU SF QF/RR3 R16/RR4
Tour Champs* 600 360 220 140 80

WON RU SF RR2 RR3
MM Champs 120 70 40 25 10

*Note: substitutes recieve no round points, only quality points for defeating top-10 players


Now, there is a quality points problem which I solved in a very simple way : every win over actual top-10 player is worth of 100 additional points at slams and 50 points at other tournaments.
Finally, I had to determine how many tournaments (and which) should be counted towards the comparative rankings. I went with the current number -- 16 tournaments with four of them being mandatories. So, it's four Grand Slams plus 12 best other tournaments.

And this is what I came to in the end:


Player Actual Total GS Other #Trns Non- Career-high
rank pts pts pts countable rank
pts

M Hingis 1 8160 4100 4060 17 90 1
J Henin 1 7980 4160 3820 18 160 1
S Williams 1 7805 4700 3105 14 0 1
K Clijsters 2 6510 2460 4050 21 580 1
L Davenport 1 6330 3000 3330 17 55 1
V Williams 1 5895 3540 2355 14 0 1
A Mauresmo 1 5660 2980 2680 18 0 1
J Capriati 2 5395 3420 1975 20 50 1
M Sharapova 1 5325 2480 2845 15 0 1
J Novotna 3 5250 2100 3150 23 340 2
D Safina 1 5155 2120 3035 18 30 1
A Ivanovic 1 4455 2580 1875 18 0 1
J Jankovic 1 4440 1640 2800 22 370 1
A Myskina 3 4180 1940 2240 20 120 2
E Dementieva 4 3960 1320 2640 21 250 3
S Kuznetsova 4 3455 1240 2215 17 50 2
N Petrova 3 3415 1080 2335 25 325 3
I Majoli 4 3280 1470 1810 24 285 4
V Zvonareva 5 3110 540 2570 23 135 5
C Wozniacki 2 3090 1000 2090 24 65 2
A Chakvetadze 5 2935 1000 1935 20 100 5
V Azarenka 6 2765 1080 1685 17 0 6
F Schiavone 6 2745 1980 765 26 60 6
A Coetzer 4 2715 1170 1545 27 330 3
J Dokic 4 2690 480 2210 30 500 4
D Hantuchova 5 2605 1040 1565 24 150 5
S Stosur 6 2500 1010 1490 20 25 6
P Schnyder 7 2375 580 1795 26 325 7
I Spirlea 8 2295 1040 1255 23 130 7
N Tauziat 7 2290 390 1900 25 55 3
A Radwanska 10 2265 1020 1245 23 50 9
A Molik 8 2140 430 1710 23 80 8
N Vaidisova 7 2035 1100 935 18 0 7
A Kournikova 10 2015 770 1245 16 0 8
F Pennetta 10 1995 460 1535 27 175 10
A Sugiyama 8 1940 390 1550 25 145 8
M Bartoli 9 1935 1040 895 29 195 9
B Schett 8 1895 640 1255 23 105 7
S Testud 10 1880 360 1520 25 245 9
J Halard-D. 8 1845 540 1305 24 60 7
N Li 10 1835 980 855 20 0 10
P Suarez 9 1765 780 985 19 25 9
D Monami 11 1735 480 1255 25 75 9
K Habsudova 10 1685 580 1105 23 60 10


As you can see, for quite a few players career-high ranks were not reflection of their best ever 52-week tour results. In the meantime, 12 of 13 players with the biggest point totals are the ones who reached #1 at some stage of their careers.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 22nd, 2010, 09:23 PM
Their best ever 52 weeks on the tour.

* missing players to be added

Martina HINGIS
1996 Filderstadt - 1997 Leipzig
WON (12) : Australian Open*, Wimbledon*, US Open*, Miami**, Hilton Head*, Tokyo Pan Pacific*, Filderstadt***, Paris Indoors**, San Diego**, Oakland*, Stanford*, Sydney
RU (3) : Roland Garros**, Tour Champs**, Zurich*
SF (2) : Los Angeles, Leipzig
* Top-10 wins (21) : Seles (5), Huber (4), Davenport (3), Sanchez-Vicario (2), Novotna (2), Majoli (2), Date-Krumm, Spirlea, Martinez

Justine HENIN
2003 Charleston - 2004 Indian Wells
WON (11) : Roland Garros***, US Open***, Australian Open**, Berlin**, Indian Wells**, Charleston*, Canadian Open, Zurich, Sydney**, San Diego*, Dubai
RU (3) : Filderstadt*, Leipzig, s'Hertogenbosch
SF (4) : Wimbledon, Tour Championships**, Amelia Island, Doha
* Top-10 wins (19) : Clijsters (5), Myskina (3), S.Williams (2), Davenport (2), Capriati (2), Mauresmo (2), Rubin (2), Dementieva

Serena WILLIAMS
2002 Scottsdale - 2003 Paris Indoors
WON (10) : Roland Garros**, US Open**, Australian Open**, Wimbledon*, Miami***, Rome**, Scottsdale**, Tokyo Nichirei*, Leipzig*, Paris Indoors*
RU (2) : Tour Champs**, Berlin
QF (2) : Charleston, Los Angeles
* Top-10 wins (19) : V.Williams (5), Capriati (5), Hingis (2), Henin (2), Clijsters (2), Davenport, Mauresmo, Dokic

Kim CLIJSTERS
2003 Scottsdale - 2004 Antwerp
WON (10) : Tour Championships*****, Indian Wells*, Rome*, Filderstadt**, Stanford*, Los Angeles*, Paris Indoors, Antwerp, s'Hertogenbosch*, Luxembourg*
RU (6) : US Open**, Australian Open*, Roland Garros, Berlin**, San Diego*, Scottsdale
SF (4) : Wimbledon, Miami*, Zurich, Leipzig
3R (1) : Canadian Open
* Top-10 wins (20) : Mauresmo (5), Davenport (4), Capriati (3), Henin (2), Rubin (2), Myskina, Dementieva, Dokic, Hantuchova

Lindsay DAVENPORT
1999 Madrid - 2000 Miami
WON (8) : Wimbledon**, Australian Open*, Tour Champs***, Indian Wells***, Philadelphia***, Stanford*, Tokyo Nichirei*, Madrid
F (1) : Scottsdale**
RU (3) : Miami, New Haven, Sydney
SF (3) : US Open*, San Diego, Los Angeles
QF (2) : Roland Garros, Filderstadt
* Top-10 wins (17) : Hingis (4), Seles (2), V.Williams (2), Halard-Decugis (2), Graf, Novotna, Pierce, Martinez, Mauresmo, Tauziat, Kournikova

Venus WILLIAMS
2001 Wimbledon - 2002 Roland Garros
WON (8) : Wimbledon***, US Open***, San Diego***, New Haven***, Antwerp**, Paris Indoors*, Amelia Island*, Gold Coast*
RU (2) : Roland Garros*, Hamburg*
SF (2) : Miami, Dubai
QF (2) : Australian Open, Stanford
* Top-10 wins (19) : Henin (5), Davenport (3), Seles (2), Capriati (2), Mauresmo (2), Tauziat (2), Hingis, S.Williams, Clijsters

Amelie MAURESMO
2005 Philadelphia - 2006 Zurich
WON (6) : Australian Open***, Wimbledon**, Tour Champs****, Antwerp***, Philadelphia*, Paris Indoors*
RU (2) : Doha, Beijing
SF (3) : US Open, Miami*, Berlin
QF (4) : Moscow, Zurich, Dubai, New Haven
4R (1) : Roland Garros
1R (2) : Sydney, Eastbourne
* Top-10 wins (15) : Clijsters (3), Henin (2), Sharapova (2), Pierce (2), Dementieva (2), Schnyder (2), Petrova (2)

Jennifer CAPRIATI
2000 Luxembourg - 2001 US Open
WON (4) : Australian Open***, Roland Garros**, Charleston*, Luxembourg
RU (5) : Miami*, Berlin*, Canadian Open, Quebec City, Oklahoma City
SF (5) : Wimbledon*, US Open*, Zurich, Scottsdale, New Haven
QF (1) : San Diego
2R (2) : Philadelphia, Sydney
1R (3) : Tour Champs, Rome, Filderstadt
* Top-10 wins (10) : Hingis (3), S.Williams (3), Davenport, Seles, Martinez, Mauresmo

Maria SHARAPOVA
2006 Dubai - 2007 Tokyo Pan Pacific
WON (5) : US Open**, San Diego***, Indian Wells*, Zurich, Linz**
RU (3) : Australian Open*, Miami, Dubai*
SF (5) : Wimbledon*, Tour Champs***, Tokyo Pan Pacific, Los Angeles, Birmingham
QF (1) : Moscow
4R (1) : Roland Garros
* Top-10 wins (14) : Clijsters (3), Dementieva (3), Schnyder (2), Henin, Davenport, Pierce, Mauresmo, Kuznetsova, Petrova

Dinara SAFINA
2008 Los Angeles - 2009 Wimbledon
WON (5) : Rome**, Canadian Open*, Tokyo Pan Pacific*, Madrid, Los Angeles*
RU (5) : Australian Open*, Roland Garros*, Olympics*, Sydney, Stuttgart-2009
SF (3) : US Open, Wimbledon, Moscow*
QF (2) : Indian Wells, Stuttgart-2008
3R (1) : Miami
RR4 (1) : Tour Champs
1R (1) : Dubai
* Top-10 wins (9) : Kuznetsova (4), Jankovic (2), V.Williams, Zvonareva, Azarenka

Ana IVANOVIC
2007 s'Hertogenbosch - 2008 Roland Garros
WON (4) : Roland Garros*, Indian Wells**, Los Angeles**, Luxembourg*
RU (1) : Australian Open**
SF (4) : Wimbledon**, Tour Champs**, Berlin, Sydney
QF (2) : Dubai, s'Hertogenbosch
4R (1) : US Open
3R (2) : Miami, Doha
2R (1) : Stuttgart
1R (3) : Canadian Open, Rome, Zurich
* Top-10 wins (12) : Jankovic (3), Hantuchova (3), Kuznetsova (2), Petrova (2), V.Williams, Vaidisova

Jelena JANKOVIC
2008 Sydney - 2008 Tour Champs
WON (4) : Moscow**, Rome*, Beijing**, Stuttgart**
RU (2) : US Open*, Miami
SF (6) : Australian Open*, Roland Garros, Tour Champs**, Indian Wells, Dubai*, Los Angeles
QF (8) : Doha, Charleston, Berlin, Canadian Open, Olympics, Tokyo Pan Pacific, Sydney, Bangalore
4R (1) : Wimbledon
1R (1) : Zurich
* Top-10 wins (12) : Zvonareva (3), V.Williams (2), Kuznetsova (2), Dementieva (2), S.Williams, Ivanovic, Chakvetadze

Anastasia MYSKINA
2003 US Open - 2004 Olympics
WON (4) : Roland Garros***, Moscow*, Leipzig**, Doha*
RU (2) : San Diego*, Philadelphia
SF (4) : Indian Wells, Canadian Open, Olympics, Sopot
QF (6) : Australian Open*, US Open, Berlin, Linz, Sydney, Dubai
RR3 (1) : Tour Champs
3R (1) : Wimbledon
2R (1) : Filderstadt
1R (1) : Rome
* Top-10 wins (9) : Capriati (2), V.Williams, Henin, Mauresmo, Clijsters, Sharapova, Dementieva, Rubin

Elena DEMENTIEVA
2008 Dubai - 2009 Dubai
WON (5) : Olympics**, Sydney***, Dubai-2008**, Luxembourg, Auckland
RU (3) : Berlin**, Paris Indoors, Istanbul
SF (7) : Wimbledon, US Open, Australian Open, Tour Champs*, Charleston, Moscow, s'Hertogenbosch
QF (5) : Roland Garros, Miami, Dubai-2009, Tokyo Pan Pacific, Stuttgart
1R (1) : Canadian Open
* Top-10 wins (10) : Safina (3), S.Williams (2), Ivanovic (2), Kuznetsova, Jankovic, Radwanska

Svetlana KUZNETSOVA
2007 Berlin - 2008 Miami
WON (1) : New Haven
RU (6) : US Open*, Berlin**, Indian Wells*, Rome*, Dubai*, Sydney
SF (3) : Miami*, Stuttgart*, Moscow
QF (4) : Roland Garros, Wimbledon, Canadian Open, Zurich
3R (2) : Australian Open, Doha
RR4 (1) : Tour Champs
* Top-10 wins (8) : S.Williams, Henin, V.Williams, Sharapova, Jankovic, Petrova, Safina, Chakvetadze

Nadia PETROVA
2005 Roland Garros - 2006 Berlin
WON (5) : Charleston*, Berlin*, Linz*, Doha*, Amelia Island
RU (1) : Bangkok
SF (4) : Roland Garros, Antwerp, Philadelphia, Auckland
QF (11) : Wimbledon, US Open, Australian Open, Miami, Canadian Open, Los Angeles, Luxembourg, Filderstadt, Sydney, Paris Indoors, s'Hertogenbosch
RR4 (1) : Tour Champs*
2R (1) : Zurich
1R (2) : San Diego, Dubai
* Top-10 wins (5) : Schnyder (2), Henin, Mauresmo, Sharapova

Caroline WOZNIACKI
2009 Miami - 2010 Indian Wells
WON (3) : New Haven*, Eastbourne, Ponte Vedra Beach
RU (5) : US Open*, Indian Wells*, Madrid, Charleston*, Bastad
SF (2) : Tour Champs**, Osaka
QF (2) : Miami*, Cincinnati
4R (2) : Wimbledon, Australian Open
3R (3) : Roland Garros, Rome, Dubai
2R (1) : Stuttgart
1R (6) : Canadian Open, Beijing, Tokyo Pan Pacific, Los Angeles, Sydney, Luxembourg
* Top-10 wins (7) : Dementieva (2), Kuznetsova, Azarenka, Zvonareva, Pennetta, Radwanska

Amanda COETZER
1997 Sydney - 1997 Tour Champs
WON (2) : Budapest, Luxembourg
RU (1) : Leipzig*
SF (10) : Roland Garros**, Australian Open*, Berlin*, Amelia Island*, Atlanta*, Stanford, San Diego, Filderstadt, Bol, Strasbourg
QF (5) : Tokyo Pan Pacific*, Hilton Head*, Canadian Open, Philadelphia, Oklahoma City
4R (1) : US Open
3R (1) : Rome
2R (2) : Wimbledon, Zurich
1R (5) : Tour Champs, Indian Wells, Miami, Sydney, Los Angeles
* Top-10 wins (9) : Graf (3), Novotna (2), Hingis, Sanchez-Vicario, Martinez, Spirlea

Nathalie TAUZIAT
1999 Birmingham - 2000 Roland Garros
WON (3) : Moscow*, Paris Indoors*, Leipzig
RU (2) : Eastbourne, Birmingham
SF (3) : Tour Champs, Zurich*, Philadelphia
QF (5) : Wimbledon, Tokyo Pan Pacific, Rome, Linz, Strasbourg
3R (4) : Roland Garros, Wimbledon, Indian Wells, Miami
2R (1) : Australian Open
1R (7) : Canadian Open, Berlin, San Diego, Los Angeles, New Haven, Filderstadt, Hannover
* Top-10 wins (3) : S.Williams, Coetzer, Schett

fufuqifuqishahah
Mar 22nd, 2010, 09:38 PM
fun to know that the 3 most recent new #1s are at the bottom lol

Hurley
Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:11 PM
Player Actual Total GS Other #Trns Career-high
rank pts pts pts rank

M Hingis 1 8110 4100 4010 17 1
J Henin 1 7980 4160 3820 18 1
S Williams 1 7805 4700 3105 14 1



Oh my. THIS should be fun. *gets popcorn and subscribes to thread*

brickhousesupporter
Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:24 PM
Oh my. THIS should be fun. *gets popcorn and subscribes to thread*


It won't go anywhere, because number of tournaments puts it into perspective......:rolleyes:

Njalle
Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:55 PM
You have a serious bias towards older players, since their best tournaments are from their entire career spanding many years while new players (Wozniacki) only have a few years to earn their best tournament points. Your statistic is useless.

Tennisstar86
Mar 22nd, 2010, 11:42 PM
interesting... I know you did it for simplicity reasons, but your scale makes it equal beating #10 and #1.....

You have a serious bias towards older players, since their best tournaments are from their entire career spanding many years while new players (Wozniacki) only have a few years to earn their best tournament points. Your statistic is useless.

If you look at all the dates......Most of them come from when they shot onto tour into the spotlight.......

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 22nd, 2010, 11:45 PM
It won't go anywhere, because number of tournaments puts it into perspective......:rolleyes:

exactly :)

Because, according to the old system of averages this would be the Top 5:

Serena - 557.5 per tournament
Hingis - 477.1 per tournament
Justine - 443.3 per tournament
Venus - 421.1 per tournament
Linday - 373.4 per tournament

hingis-seles
Mar 22nd, 2010, 11:56 PM
Player Actual Total GS Other #Trns Career-high
rank pts pts pts rank

M Hingis 1 8110 4100 4010 17 1
J Henin 1 7980 4160 3820 18 1
S Williams 1 7805 4700 3105 14 1
K Clijsters 2 6510 2460 4050 21 1
L Davenport 1 6330 3000 3330 17 1
V Williams 1 5895 3540 2355 14 1
A Mauresmo 1 5660 2980 2680 18 1
J Capriati 2 5395 3420 1975 20 1
M Sharapova 1 5325 2480 2845 15 1
D Safina 1 5155 2120 3035 18 1
A Ivanovic 1 4455 2580 1875 18 1
J Jankovic 1 4440 1640 2800 22 1
A Myskina 3 4180 1940 2240 20 2
E Dementieva 4 3960 1320 2640 21 3
N Petrova 3 3415 1080 2335 25 3
S Kuznetsova 3 3345 1240 2105 18 2
C Wozniacki 2 3090 1000 2090 24 2
A Coetzer 4 2715 1170 1545 27 3
N Tauziat 7 2290 390 1900 25 3

Hingis has the most balanced points - nearly equal from GS and regular tour events. She didn't need to pick and choose where to perform well. She did it everywhere. :worship:

Kworb
Mar 23rd, 2010, 12:51 AM
Hingis has the most balanced points - nearly equal from GS and regular tour events. She didn't need to pick and choose where to perform well. She did it everywhere. :worship:

:worship: True legend and greatest player of all time.

PLP
Mar 23rd, 2010, 01:27 AM
I miss Martina!!

M Hingis 1 8110 4100 4010 17 1
J Henin 1 7980 4160 3820 18 1
S Williams 1 7805 4700 3105 14 1

:worship:
Kudos to all 3, well over 7000 points, tremendous.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 23rd, 2010, 03:52 AM
You have a serious bias towards older players, since their best tournaments are from their entire career spanding many years while new players (Wozniacki) only have a few years to earn their best tournament points. Your statistic is useless.

So I should have waited till Wozniacki retires before compiling the stats? :weirdo:
Seriously, some of her fans are more insecure than the most notable Reetards.

Cp6uja
Mar 23rd, 2010, 04:14 AM
Player Actual Total GS Other #Trns Career-high
rank pts pts pts rank

S Williams 1 7805 4700 3105 14 1
J Henin 1 7980 4160 3820 18 1
M Hingis 1 8110 4100 4010 17 1
V Williams 1 5895 3540 2355 14 1
J Capriati 2 5395 3420 1975 20 1
L Davenport 1 6330 3000 3330 17 1
A Mauresmo 1 5660 2980 2680 18 1
A Ivanovic 1 4455 2580 1875 18 1
M Sharapova 1 5325 2480 2845 15 1
K Clijsters 2 6510 2460 4050 21 1
D Safina 1 5155 2120 3035 18 1
A Myskina 3 4180 1940 2240 20 2
J Jankovic 1 4440 1640 2800 22 1
E Dementieva 4 3960 1320 2640 21 3
S Kuznetsova 3 3345 1240 2105 18 2
A Coetzer 4 2715 1170 1545 27 3
N Petrova 3 3415 1080 2335 25 3
C Wozniacki 2 3090 1000 2090 24 2
N Tauziat 7 2290 390 1900 25 3

So Wozniacki is currently worst only in TOP2 category

brickhousesupporter
Mar 23rd, 2010, 04:29 AM
So I should have waited till Wozniacki retires before compiling the stats? :weirdo:
Seriously, some of her fans are more insecure than the most notable Reetards.


Yes because we all know how impartial and non delusional the Russian fans are.:rolleyes: It is comments like this that start the bickering, and when fans try to defend themselves they are seen as insecure.

LeonHart
Mar 23rd, 2010, 04:35 AM
Martina...I miss her!!!! :(

Look at all those wannabe's below her :sobbing:

I kid I kid :angel:

Njalle
Mar 23rd, 2010, 08:31 AM
So I should have waited till Wozniacki retires before compiling the stats? :weirdo:
Seriously, some of her fans are more insecure than the most notable Reetards.

Not at all. You should use your brain to figure out a way to make it work better. One way to lessen the bias would be to use the best sixteen tournaments from when the other players were 19 as well.

I don't quite get why you implicitly call me insecure - I'm quite the contrary. I know what I am talking about and you do not.

Slutiana
Mar 23rd, 2010, 08:41 AM
Everyone thought a Serena fan would be kickng off... Turned out to be a Wozniacki fan. :tape:


Venus. :o

DOUBLEFIST
Mar 23rd, 2010, 10:32 AM
It won't go anywhere, because number of tournaments puts it into perspective......:rolleyes:
Precisely.

schorsch
Mar 23rd, 2010, 11:30 AM
Some here say that number of tournaments played puts things into perspective which I guess is a valid thing to point out, but maybe you could see it from another angle as well... If Serena were to play more tournaments wouldn't that (in her case) increase chances of having a bad result in there or worsening the rest of the results (bar GS)? So the average would probably actually go down if she did indeed play more tournaments..?

bhathiya9999
Mar 23rd, 2010, 11:32 AM
Serena is Best...

kellswater
Mar 23rd, 2010, 12:03 PM
Hingis is best:devil:

Raiden
Mar 23rd, 2010, 12:13 PM
^^ Both are Henin's bitches :p

Sooner or later Juju'll be on top of them

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 23rd, 2010, 12:21 PM
Some here say that number of tournaments played puts things into perspective which I guess is a valid thing to point out, but maybe you could see it from another angle as well... If Serena were to play more tournaments wouldn't that (in her case) increase chances of having a bad result in there or worsening the rest of the results (bar GS)? So the average would probably actually go down if she did indeed play more tournaments..?

I don't use averages in this system. If Serena had played two more tournaments they would've been added to her total regardless of how she would fare at them. Basically, if she had entered and won another tier I tournament (Canadian Open, for instance) she would've amassed more total points than Hingis and Henin.
But then we move into "coulda shoulda woulda" zone and I don't really want to do this.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 23rd, 2010, 12:31 PM
interesting... I know you did it for simplicity reasons, but your scale makes it equal beating #10 and #1

I did it so that Ivanovic wouldn't be rewarded for her countless wins over top-3 Jankovic and Kuznetsova. :p
On a serious note, giving more weight to #1-3 wins or less weight to #8-10 wins wouldn't change a thing actually, so there was no point in making things too complicated.

Volcana
Mar 23rd, 2010, 02:05 PM
I believe I shouldn't explain why 1997 is "the point of no return" when it comes to comparing players' ranks, right?I haven't gotten too much sleep the past ten days. Would you mind explaining that?

schorsch
Mar 23rd, 2010, 02:11 PM
I don't use averages in this system. If Serena had played two more tournaments they would've been added to her total regardless of how she would fare at them. Basically, if she had entered and won another tier I tournament (Canadian Open, for instance) she would've amassed more total points than Hingis and Henin.
But then we move into "coulda shoulda woulda" zone and I don't really want to do this.

I didn't mean you by some and yeah I was referring to the posters that used the average system to determine the rankings and not your system which would add another two tournaments to her total points :lol:

miffedmax
Mar 23rd, 2010, 02:55 PM
These stats do nothing to either advance or detract from Dementieva's standings (i.e. pretty damn good, but not great) so :zzz:

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 23rd, 2010, 03:01 PM
I haven't gotten too much sleep the past ten days. Would you mind explaining that?

You are perfectly aware of what I meant. kthxbye.

Uranium
Mar 23rd, 2010, 04:01 PM
Not at all. You should use your brain to figure out a way to make it work better. One way to lessen the bias would be to use the best sixteen tournaments from when the other players were 19 as well.

I don't quite get why you implicitly call me insecure - I'm quite the contrary. I know what I am talking about and you do not.

:weirdo::rolls:

PLP
Mar 23rd, 2010, 05:57 PM
Not at all. You should use your brain to figure out a way to make it work better. One way to lessen the bias would be to use the best sixteen tournaments from when the other players were 19 as well.

I don't quite get why you implicitly call me insecure - I'm quite the contrary. I know what I am talking about and you do not.

Why?

This is actually quite an impartial way to do it, some players blossom early, some later.

I am a Caroline fan and believe that the best is yet to come so don't worry too much. :angel:

delicatecutter
Mar 23rd, 2010, 06:58 PM
Is Wozniacki the first player to make it to #2 without winning a single Tier I level event? :o

Nicolás89
Mar 23rd, 2010, 07:01 PM
To put an end (well, obviously NOT)

Of course not, because you did a terrible job doing this "ranking".
Comparing a 14 tournaments season to one of +20? Also, your quality points system doesn't make any sense. The only good thing you did was making Hingis the top 1.
Honestly put yourself out of embarrasment and close this thread ASAP.

madlove
Mar 23rd, 2010, 07:08 PM
don't we all miss hingis!? such a legend.

miffedmax
Mar 23rd, 2010, 07:13 PM
don't we all miss hingis!? such a legend.

No. Court, King, Navritalova, Evert... Hingis comes up to about their ankles.

Njalle
Mar 23rd, 2010, 08:15 PM
Why?

This is actually quite an impartial way to do it, some players blossom early, some later.

I am a Caroline fan and believe that the best is yet to come so don't worry too much. :angel:

It is extremely biased. Imagine the following: Take a player with some given skills and assume that the success with these skills in a given year is randomly drawn from some distribution. Let the person play for five years and write down the best 52 weeks for that player. Now let the person play ten additional years and write down the best 52 weeks again. Repeating this argument an infinite number of times will yield the same result: The player with 15 years of experience will on average have the best 52 years compared to the (same) player with only five years on the tour.

To clarify my point, this can be compared to drawing some balls numbered from 0 to 90. Drawing five balls will on average give a lower highest number than drawing fifeteen balls.

I not too much of a Caro fan actually, but I hate when people misuse statistics this bad.

frenchie
Mar 23rd, 2010, 09:07 PM
In other words = how to find a way to to discredit the player you hate by using statistics

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 25th, 2010, 01:43 PM
Bump.

Now I extended the stats for all top-10 players who reached career-high ranks and had their best 52-week results since 1997.

TennisFan66
Mar 25th, 2010, 02:07 PM
In other words = how to find a way to to discredit the player you hate by using statistics

That pretty much nailed it! :lol:

And thats even before taking any serious interest nor argument into what the OP has done. Which in its very core is ridiculously flawed.

Come to think of it, I'm actually a little ashamed for even commenting on this thread :help: Its sort of validation to the crazy person.

thongcarmen
Mar 25th, 2010, 02:46 PM
Where's Pierce? so it's not correct..

miffedmax
Mar 25th, 2010, 03:27 PM
Even with the changes this thread isn't sufficiently mindlessly pro-Elena enough, so what's the point?

HenryMag.
Mar 25th, 2010, 05:57 PM
I think that the stats show if Elena had these points now she would be number two. But she got unlucky (as usual) and had Serena winning all slams, Dinara winning all TI, and Venus with masters and Wimbledon with her behind.

Elena could be considered greater with a no. 2 ranking, no?

miffedmax
Mar 25th, 2010, 06:53 PM
#3 vs. #2? I dunno. She needs that slam, really.

Not that I really care. I'm all :inlove: no matter what.

Njalle
Mar 25th, 2010, 09:14 PM
Bump.

Now I extended the stats for all top-10 players who reached career-high ranks and had their best 52-week results since 1997.

Why don't you try to do as I suggested? Wouldn't it fit your agenda?

Olórin
Mar 25th, 2010, 10:22 PM
I like this list, statistics are often meaningless but I think these definitely tell a story. I think they confirm many things we already knew. Certain players are "luckier" than others when it comes to the rankings i.e. how much Kim had to win to get to #2 compared to a few other players - and the same for some number ones also. This list/ranking also accurately reflects that Hingis was the best at being #1 - often by a fair distance.

AnnaK_4ever
Mar 26th, 2010, 08:58 PM
Where's Pierce? so it's not correct..

Pierce first reached #3 (her career-high) in 1995. She also had her best tour results in 1994/1995.

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 21st, 2010, 12:53 PM
Another bump.

Stosur surged in these rankings after a series of rock solid results in the past 3 months. Schiavone's best almost equals Azarenka's one.