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brickhousesupporter
Mar 16th, 2010, 08:55 PM
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/15/sports/la-sp-dwyre-20100316

BILL DWYRE

March 15, 2010|Bill Dwyre
We are in the second week of the prestigious BNP Paribas Open Minus Venus and Serena. The BNPPOMVS.
Bad acronym. Not catchy, just honest.
For the female half of this tennis event at Indian Wells, it has been that way for the last nine years, making it an annual affair.
The issue has moved from them not being here. Deal with it folks. They aren't coming back. Their confrontation with the crowd in 2001 and dad Richard Williams' characterization a week or so later that the whole thing was racist is a tattoo on this event.


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New owner Larry Ellison said he wants them back, but being the fourth-wealthiest man in the world won't be enough. Learning to change wine into water might do it.
Last year, from the WTA's bonus pool alone, Serena Williams forfeited $400,000 and Venus $150,000 for failure to play the mandatory Indian Wells event. Apparently $550,000 isn't motivation enough.
There was a telling quote from Ellison published recently. He said he hadn't been able to reach the Williams sisters through their agents. Larry Ellison calls and you don't answer? Holy Fort Knox!
That was mildly disputed Monday morning at a round-table discussion with the media and women's tour Chief Executive Stacey Allaster.
"As far as I know today," Allaster said, "calls to their agents have not been made." She also said, "I know the type of people they [Venus and Serena] are, and I know they will take his phone call."
The bigger picture here is the future of women's tennis, especially without Venus, 30 in June, and Serena, 29 in September. It will be up to Allaster to guide the tour through that transition. No easy deal.
As tennis legend Tracy Austin said Monday, "We've been spoiled over the years." She named Chris Evert, Billie Jean King, Martina Navratilova, Margaret Court, Jennifer Capriati and Lindsay Davenport. She should have thrown herself in there too.
"But I don't see anybody in the next few years ready to fill the shoes of Venus and Serena. Big shoes."
Allaster takes this on in the midst of ongoing change and growing competition for the sports dollar. She took over last summer from Larry Scott, who became the commissioner of the Pacific 10 Conference and shed a huge headache. Ten lousy basketball teams is easy compared to the fragile world of women's tennis.
Allaster is now in the vision-for-the future seat. Also the smooth-it-over seat. She said Serena's much-watched outburst at the U.S. Open had not hurt women's tennis and she considered it "one evening out of character."

Allaster said that the retaining of tour sponsor Sony Ericsson was key, and it was, even though the cellphone company came forth with less money this time around.
Allaster called that an opportunity to grow the WTA brand separately, especially at its season-ending title event. That's in Doha this year and Istanbul the three years after that. Get your tickets now.
She pointed to attendance growth at the U.S. Open, Miami and here at Indian Wells. How much of that is due to women's tennis and how much to Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal is hard to pinpoint. OK, it isn't hard.
She has hired an expert in social media to help grow the WTA brand, is romancing China and called her sport a "global product." She called the NBA's David Stern her kind of visionary. To her credit, she did not say she would "think outside the box."
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The real growth in the product will be where it has always been, and where it was Monday.
On Court 3, Shahar Peer and Flavia Pennetta banged through a terrific three-set match, Peer winning. Both are good players, both attractive personalities.
Next on the same court was newcomer Yanina Wickmayer, whose out-of-nowhere success is a good story. She beat unheralded Roberta Vinci of Italy, who served and volleyed in her key service game of the second set. Good stuff. Even the men don't try that much anymore, a huge loss to the game.
On center court, in a key-lime-pie dress, Serbian Jelena Jankovic, a compelling character in the process of building a 20,000-square-foot house in San Diego, won a tough three-setter of her own.
Kim Clijsters, who lost a long and wrenching 2 1/2-hour three-setter late Monday to Alisa Kleybanova of Russia, usually brings the sunshine.
Justine Henin is back and brings along her smooth-as-a-vanilla-milkshake backhand. Maria Sharapova keeps breaking down, but keeps trying.
These are among the stars of a future without Venus and Serena.
Also in that future, Ellison's tournament will stop receiving money from the WTA Tour for the Williams sisters' absence. Those are called "mis-commitment checks."
Who says Roger Clemens has no influence on women's tennis?
bill.dwyre@latimes.com

LeRoy.
Mar 16th, 2010, 08:56 PM
This thread will be over 10 pages long. I am calling it right now.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:00 PM
don't know why jh and kim are seen as successors to ws when they are around the same age :scratch:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:01 PM
Not this shit again please :o

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:02 PM
So technically last year Serena forfeited 575,000 US dollars worth of prize and bonus money. :eek:
Good thing she made almost three times that in Doha in a week. :lol:

brickhousesupporter
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:02 PM
This article is hilarious for a few reasons......

We have all been hearing about how the tournament is doing great without the sisters....who needs them from the old managers and owners. New guys comes in and he wants to get the sisters to play his tournament. Larry unfortunately, the person(s) who the sisters want an apology from is not you. Unless you can convince Charlie Pasarell and Raymond Moore to prostrate themselves on center court infront of the sisters they are not coming back.


Tracy Austin lamenting the lack of American players coming up that can step up for American tennis after the sisters retires. Where is this concern when they are playing and winning now. I guess you never know what you got till its gone.


WTA are some of the worst promoters in sports history......You have the story of the 2 AA sisters rising to top of tennis and you allow people in the media and tour to constantly tarnish your golden goose. They should have been stepping up for the sisters from day one. Now they need them to help renegotiate contracts and still keep them interesting to the world.

pav
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:10 PM
give this tired old crap a rest

kiwifan
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:13 PM
:yawn: move on :tape:

brickhousesupporter
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:13 PM
Not this shit again please :o

give this tired old crap a rest

:yawn: move on :tape:


I don't decide what is relevant to be printed. I just post it when I find it. Obviously, the LA Times thought it relevant to print.

Jolene
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:14 PM
Do you think the Williams sisters would play if they were given some kind of real and genuine apology? Like if they really felt that the tour was acknowledging that they had been mistreated back in the day?

Slutiana
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:14 PM
don't know why jh and kim are seen as successors to ws when they are around the same age :scratch:
For reals. :sobbing: What the hell.



And http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/craig0191/gifs/Untitled-58.gif Good luck tournament organiser.

Tennisstar86
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:14 PM
don't know why jh and kim are seen as successors to ws when they are around the same age :scratch:

Desperation..... Kim and Justine will retire before they do...and for the second time. I predict they will not be playing in 2012..... Kim already looks like shes ready to throw the towel in again....


And Allstar with this "they'd take his call" No, I dont think they would....... cause hed have to say why he was calling and lets face it. Venus and Serena have moved on. Indian Wells needs to move on.

Olórin
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:15 PM
give this tired old crap a rest

You know, if you feel that strongly - it would be far more productive to tell that to the new owner of Indian Wells, rather than repeating the same old impotent posts over and over on a message board.

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:18 PM
For reals. :sobbing: What the hell.



And http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/craig0191/gifs/Untitled-58.gif Good luck tournament organiser.

I call your http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/craig0191/gifs/Untitled-58.gif and raise you with a...

http://uploadingit.com/file/ze310mnnhhz0xtxr/seaussie1.gif.

Thkmra
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:20 PM
Do you think the Williams sisters would play if they were given some kind of real and genuine apology? Like if they really felt that the tour was acknowledging that they had been mistreated back in the day?

A Resounding YES!!

Though it likley be during the time they retire, as a kind of 'victory tour' of sorts. Their absence from this 'tournament' had everything to do with how they felt they were treated by the WTA, tour directors, organizers..ect, as it did the crowd(mob)!!

Vlover
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:21 PM
New owner Larry Ellison said he wants them back[/B], but being the fourth-wealthiest man in the world won't be enough. Learning to change wine into water might do it.
Where are the IW defenders who tried to convince themselves otherwise.:lol:

Slutiana
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:25 PM
I call your http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/craig0191/gifs/Untitled-58.gif and raise you with a...

http://uploadingit.com/file/ze310mnnhhz0xtxr/seaussie1.gif.
:sobbing: I've never even seen that before, fair play.

HOWEVER, I think an article like this is retarded enough to bring out the http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/cw2oo7/gifs/Untitled-103.gif and we all know that NOTHING tops that.

Elwin.
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:25 PM
Blah Blah Blah.
They are never gonna play there.

Useless effort :rolleyes:

Tennisstar86
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:26 PM
A Resounding YES!!

Though it likley be during the time they retire, as a kind of 'victory tour' of sorts. There absence from this 'tournament' had everything to do with how they felt they were treated by the WTA, tour directors, organizers..ect, as it did the crowd(mob)!!

Dont be crazy......They would never...:lol:

goldenlox
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:26 PM
Its not useless. If he's asked, he cant say he doesnt want them to play.
Its something the owner has to say.

Wannabeknowitall
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:27 PM
:sobbing: I've never even seen that before, but fair play.

HOWEVER, I think an article like this is retarded enough to bring out the http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/cw2oo7/gifs/Untitled-103.gif and we all know that NOTHING tops that.

I fold. :lol:

Thkmra
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:35 PM
Dont be crazy......They would never...:lol:

Your right, BUT only if they felt there wasn't a genuine, heartful effort to reach out and right 'the wrong' that had been commited, and not a phoney, failed last ditch effort to opportunistically capitailize on their brand therby; 'saving the tournament'!!:rolleyes:

Otherwise I do believe it likely they'd make 1 final apperance in one fashion, or another. If just to close this painful chapter in their lives for good!!

DOUBLEFIST
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:37 PM
don't know why jh and kim are seen as successors to ws when they are around the same age :scratch:
:lol: Shameless.

Tennisstar86
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:38 PM
Your right, BUT only if they felt there wasn't a genuine, heartful effort to reach out and right 'the wrong' that had been commited, and not a phoney, failed last ditch effort to opportunistically capitailize on their brand therby; 'saving the tournament'!!:rolleyes:

Otherwise I do believe it likely they'd make 1 final apperance in one fashion, or another. If just to close this painful chapter in their lives for good!!

nope, its too late for that.... maybe if their was an apology years ago.... but Indian Wells is in the past now. They would not play....

jefrilibra
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:43 PM
The "Justin and Kim being successors" comment got me :haha:

Successors dont quit and retire when the people they're trying to succeed are still playing and winning!

Successors my a$$!

Raiden
Mar 16th, 2010, 09:56 PM
You guys seem skeptical but my thinking on this is, is that it might actually succeed! The new owner Larry Ellison is not exactly what one might call a racist as far as I can tell. In fact, the company that made him a billionaire, Oracle, has (had) a black CEO for some time now.

In fact I have an idea: let this CEO guy (his name is Charles Phillips and he looks a bit like the prez.) should attend the meeting between the Williams & his boss Larry. That way daddy Richard would feel safe and secure about attending the negotiation itself :devil:

So then, they should all gather over at some place in Cali and work it all out (or perhaps not all of them should be there: the WTA itself has been part of the problem so they should perhaps wait on the sidelines and let Larry and the Williams sort it out first)

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/91892762.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D050D9A8CEDF479BB7 B7F8F7675EB3FC44D7AC1ED3F665D1B3E30A760B0D811297

dynamoRockstarr
Mar 16th, 2010, 10:47 PM
^^^^ idk about that. Maybe??? nah.

Cosantoir
Mar 16th, 2010, 11:11 PM
I'm out of breath laughing at the Maria Sharapova keeps breaking down but keeps trying line. As if Sharapova is a 1960's Buick or something.

LDVTennis
Mar 16th, 2010, 11:14 PM
Where are the IW defenders who tried to convince themselves otherwise.:lol:

According to an article in the LA Times today, Larry hasn't called. So, he may just be saying that he wants them back.

He's the sixth-richest person in the world. Do you think he would grovel to Venus and Serena? --- :lol::lol::lol:

Deck
Mar 17th, 2010, 12:45 AM
He'll be glad with Aga in the QF then.:)

Thkmra
Mar 17th, 2010, 01:37 PM
According to an article in the LA Times today, Larry hasn't called. So, he may just be saying that he wants them back.

He's the sixth-richest person in the world. Do you think he would grovel to Venus and Serena? --- :lol::lol::lol:

I think he may.:)

DemWilliamsGulls
Mar 17th, 2010, 01:50 PM
If you and your family were treated like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II2nRrcffvg you tell me if you would even THINK about coming back to this tournament. (Serena was also booed when she come out to the court and even when she won it) The owners and WTA should stop even asking...the crowd has shown their true colors...screw indian wells!

cehowardrx7
Mar 17th, 2010, 02:17 PM
A FULL PAGE APOLOGY FROM INDIAN WELLS, then Williams Sisters MIGHT, considered playing IW.. And that is a MIGHT, not a definite!!

I say fack them. I am a older gent, I was here when they BOOED JACKIE ROBINSON BACK IN 1947.. Some ULGY CHIT, I tell you that!!:mad:

SerenaSlam
Mar 17th, 2010, 02:23 PM
i don't get how posters can get mad and say give this a rest why was this posted etc. it is an article that was recently made regarding the issue. how can WE give it a rest...tell them to give the shit a rest. Only thing being done here is a poster showing you the latest discussion regarding the matter.

I think the Most valid point made is from Tracy Austin. The WS have BIG SHOES that need filled when they retire. and right now there is NO ONE on the tour that is capable of doing that....IMO as well

Yonexforever
Mar 17th, 2010, 02:28 PM
THey are approaching the end of their careers, i would think they have moved on and NEVER will play this tournament.
QUite frankly this tournament especially the location reminds me of "old time" tennis.
Storied location.. Palm Springs.. read rich old and white.
Serena and Venus and especially the parent most def have moved on and I agree they should NOT play that tournament again no matter who the promotor is.
There was a very haughty attitude from the tennis establishment and clearly attendance has suffered if you look at the crowds during the few ladies matches shown.
S & V put butts in the seats PERIOD!

Yonexforever
Mar 17th, 2010, 02:31 PM
He's the sixth-richest person in the world. Do you think he would grovel to Venus and Serena? ---

I think he may want to be the 5th otherwise he wouldnt be underwriting THIS tournament!

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2010, 02:50 PM
According to an article in the LA Times today, Larry hasn't called. So, he may just be saying that he wants them back.

He's the sixth-richest person in the world. Do you think he would grovel to Venus and Serena? --- :lol::lol::lol:

strange how you always end up in a ws/iw thread :lol:

tennnisfannn
Mar 17th, 2010, 02:52 PM
According to an article in the LA Times today, Larry hasn't called. So, he may just be saying that he wants them back.

He's the sixth-richest person in the world. Do you think he would grovel to Venus and Serena? --- :lol::lol::lol:
valid commnt but perhaps you don't get rich by saying saying screw you but by being crucially aware of what side your bread is buttered. When you are the sixth richest man, why would you but a tennis tournament unless you intend to mint more money.

tennisbum79
Mar 17th, 2010, 03:03 PM
i don't get how posters can get mad and say give this a rest why was this posted etc. it is an article that was recently made regarding the issue. how can WE give it a rest...tell them to give the shit a rest. Only thing being done here is a poster showing you the latest discussion regarding the matter.

I think the Most valid point made is from Tracy Austin. The WS have BIG SHOES that need filled when they retire. and right now there is NO ONE on the tour that is capable of doing that....IMO as well
Denial is an uncomfortable position to be in.

Having to read articles about an issue they have been treating as fiction ( from Richard Williams) is even more untenable.

LDVTennis
Mar 17th, 2010, 03:19 PM
valid commnt but perhaps you don't get rich by saying saying screw you but by being crucially aware of what side your bread is buttered. When you are the sixth richest man, why would you but a tennis tournament unless you intend to mint more money.

He didn't buy IW to make more money. He bought it because he likes playing tennis.

No one becomes rich from owning a tennis tournament. Larry became rich from founding Oracle. Selling database software makes you rich, selling tennis tickets doesn't

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2010, 03:19 PM
valid commnt but perhaps you don't get rich by saying saying screw you but by being crucially aware of what side your bread is buttered. When you are the sixth richest man, why would you but a tennis tournament unless you intend to mint more money.

shhhh :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2010, 03:20 PM
He didn't buy IW to make more money. He bought it because he likes playing tennis.

No one become rich from owning a tennis tournament. Larry became rich from founding Oracle. Selling database software makes you rich, selling tennis tickets doesn't


so donald trump buys casinos because he likes gambling??? and buys hotels etc because he likes sleeping?? :lol:

LDVTennis
Mar 17th, 2010, 03:52 PM
so donald trump buys casinos because he likes gambling??? and buys hotels etc because he likes sleeping?? :lol:

Donald Trump buys hotels and casinos because he has to. Hotels and Casinos are Trump's main business. (Apparently, daddy's money did not come with the brains to make software.) For those efforts, Trump is only 488 on Forbes List of the World's Billionaires with a meager $2 billion.

Larry Ellison's main business is Oracle (database software). Tennis tournaments (IW), tennis clubs (Malibu Racquet Club), and Sailing (BMW Oracle Racing) are not. For those efforts, Larry E. is 6 on Forbes List with $28 billion.

When you have $28 Billion, owning a tennis tournament is a hobby.

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2010, 03:59 PM
keep trying to convince yourself that he would make an investment not to make money :lol:

SerenaSlam
Mar 17th, 2010, 04:00 PM
Denial is an uncomfortable position to be in.

Having to read articles about an issue they have been treating as fiction ( from Richard Williams) is even more untenable.

well im sorry you feel you "have" to read these articles. personally for myself I chose to do and read what i want. But i see the point you are making since you are having to read these articles. Why you "have" to read them I don't know. Maybe it would help in your point if you could explain why you "have" to read articles about the issue.

S.N. we all are entitled to our opinions hence why I say IMO at the end of posits. But your statement of treating "as fiction" is an opinion. Because only Venus, Serena, Richard and the People in the stands know what truly happened, what was said, heard and the "feeling". FYI

The Witch-king
Mar 17th, 2010, 04:07 PM
He's the sixth-richest person in the world. Do you think he would grovel to Venus and Serena? --- :lol::lol::lol: he's a business person and probably knows that good PR is worth more than gold sometimes, so yeah I don't see why not.

You think he got rich displaying an attitude like yours? :o

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2010, 04:11 PM
clearly he did :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2010, 04:12 PM
well im sorry you feel you "have" to read these articles. personally for myself I chose to do and read what i want. But i see the point you are making since you are having to read these articles. Why you "have" to read them I don't know. Maybe it would help in your point if you could explain why you "have" to read articles about the issue.

S.N. we all are entitled to our opinions hence why I say IMO at the end of posits. But your statement of treating "as fiction" is an opinion. Because only Venus, Serena, Richard and the People in the stands know what truly happened, what was said, heard and the "feeling". FYI



oh hun you missed his sarcasm :hug:

DemWilliamsGulls
Mar 17th, 2010, 05:48 PM
He's the sixth-richest person in the world. Do you think he would grovel to Venus and Serena? ---

I think he may want to be the 5th otherwise he wouldnt be underwriting THIS tournament!

Well the name WILLIAMS brings more money to tournament sales...but i'm sure you already know that.. ;) THATS why he want them back...if anything.

Serenita
Mar 17th, 2010, 05:56 PM
I for one hope they never go back to IW. That crowd was atrocious. They really don't deserve these 2 super stars there.

Monzanator
Mar 17th, 2010, 06:17 PM
I'm not a fan of the sisters but I'd be very disappointed if they accepted being paid off and decided to play there in the future. I suppose this is a matter of honor for them and I hope they will stick to their current policy :)

GracefulVenus
Mar 17th, 2010, 06:44 PM
This thread will be over 10 pages long. I am calling it right now.
yep :yeah:
Not this shit again please :o

yep :yeah:

For reals. :sobbing: What the hell.



And http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/craig0191/gifs/Untitled-58.gif Good luck tournament organiser.

:haha:

I really think they should play again. A new tournament director and more than likely a new crowd of people are attending the event. Forgiveness is a powerful thing and lets face it, Womens tennis needs all the help it can get, because this years IW :help::help:

LDVTennis
Mar 17th, 2010, 06:57 PM
keep trying to convince yourself that he would make an investment not to make money :lol:

The world is round.

Something tells me you still think the world is square and that Venus and Serena are at the center of it.

--- :lol::lol::lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2010, 06:58 PM
The world is round.

Something tells me you still think the world is square and that Venus and Serena are at the center of it.

--- :lol::lol::lol:

:hug: is that the best argument you have...

LDVTennis
Mar 17th, 2010, 07:05 PM
You think he got rich displaying an attitude like yours?

Yes, I do.

Next question.

LDVTennis
Mar 17th, 2010, 07:23 PM
:hug: is that the best argument you have...

Larry E. paid $100 million for IW.

Let's put that in perspective. His net worth is $28 billion according to Forbes Magazine.

What do you suppose he makes on that $28 billion dollars in a year? For the sake of argument, let's take the most conventional and conversative investment scenario? A bank account, paying him an interest rate of 4%, compounded monthly.

So, in one year, on that $28 Billion dollars, Larry makes... $1,140,776,000. That's $1.1 billion dollars under the most conservative investment scenario.

The money he spent on buying IW was pocket change for him. It wasn't an investment. --- :smash:

BuTtErFrEnA
Mar 17th, 2010, 07:26 PM
keep trying to convince yourself :lol: why doesn't he just downgrade it then since he's not looking for any money from it...in fact, why doesn't he just make it a one day exho and bring in unknown club players for his excitement and keep out the crowd....


but whatever LDV :lol: you're a sad character here so i won't be engaging you anymore

Olórin
Mar 17th, 2010, 07:31 PM
It's cute that some people still take LDV seriously :lol:
He thinks Larry E has $28 billion invested in a bank gaining monthly interest? :spit: :awww:
That's not how major corporations work. $28 billion is just a number, the estimated quantification of his various assets. His actual cashflow on an annual basis could only be calculated by pure guess work.

$100 million is not an investment he will not want to lose out on.

LDVTennis
Mar 17th, 2010, 07:42 PM
keep trying to convince yourself :lol: why doesn't he just downgrade it then since he's not looking for any money from it...in fact, why doesn't he just make it a one day exho and bring in unknown club players for his excitement and keep out the crowd....

I'm not trying to convince myself of anything.

It is you who wants the rest of us to believe that a man this rich and this egotistical would grovel to Venus and Serena. Yeah, because who wouldn't, right?

Here's the LA Times on whether Larry called or not:

There was a telling quote from [Larry] Ellison published recently. He said he hadn't been able to reach the Williams sisters through their agents. Larry Ellison calls and you don't answer? Holy Fort Knox!

That was mildly disputed Monday morning at a round-table discussion with the media and women's tour Chief Executive Stacey Allaster.

"As far as I know today," Allaster said, "calls to their agents have not been made." She also said, "I know the type of people they [Venus and Serena] are, and I know they will take his phone call."

--- http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dwyre-20100316,0,3944528.column

LDVTennis
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:09 PM
It's cute that some people still take LDV seriously :lol:
He thinks Larry E has $28 billion invested in a bank gaining monthly interest? :spit: :awww:
That's not how major corporations work. $28 billion is just a number, the estimated quantification of his various assets. His actual cashflow on an annual basis could only be calculated by pure guess work.

$100 million is not an investment he will not want to lose out on.

Coming from someone who probably doesn't even own a house or have a $1,000 to his name, this is precious. - :lol:

Well, of course, Larry E. doesn't have that $28 billion in a bank account. And, yes, some of that wealth represents his stock in Oracle if he liquidated it at the time Forbes drew up the list. Having said that, I'll bet he still makes much more than that 4% across all his investments in one year.

Indian Wells, an investment? You only think it is an investment because you don't have anywhere near this amount of money to spend.

But, consider this. This is how much Larry has spent on property for his personal use: $200 million to build a house in Northern CA. $180 million for 12 properties in Malibu. By comparison, $100 million for IW was a bargain.

By the way, when Larry E. makes investments, he buys other IT companies for $7.4 billion. That's an investment. :wavey:

LDVTennis
Mar 17th, 2010, 08:12 PM
The point is, unlike what is clearly your delusion, Indian Wells is not Larry Ellison's Neverland.

Read this part of my last post:

This is how much Larry has spent on property for his personal use: $200 million to build a house in Northern CA. $180 million for 12 properties in Malibu. By comparison, $100 million for IW was a bargain.

When Larry E. makes investments, he buys other IT companies for $7.4 billion. That's an investment.

See the difference!

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:01 PM
:sobbing: I've never even seen that before, fair play.

HOWEVER, I think an article like this is retarded enough to bring out the http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/cw2oo7/gifs/Untitled-103.gif and we all know that NOTHING tops that.

I see you that and a I raise you this:

http://i44.tinypic.com/9rjd5w.gif

fufuqifuqishahah
Mar 17th, 2010, 09:44 PM
I think they should go

They could make this into a very positive experience, addressing what happened, bringing attention to racism.

Volcana
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:01 PM
This article is hilarious for a few reasons......

Tracy Austin lamenting the lack of American players coming up that can step up for American tennis after the sisters retires. Where is this concern when they are playing and winning now.She's not lamenting the lack of American players. She's lamenting the lack of STAR players. Margaret Court is on that list. I kinda wonder why Steffi Graf wasn't, but the article was probably written from notes.

One other thing, and I'l' re-read to make sure I didn't miss the name. Did Tracy Austin NOT name Maria Sharapova as someone who could carry the tour forward when the Williams sisters were gone? Did I read that right?
As tennis legend Tracy Austin said Monday, "We've been spoiled over the years." She named Chris Evert, Billie Jean King, Martina Navratilova, Margaret Court, Jennifer Capriatihttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=404377#) and Lindsay Davenport. She should have thrown herself in there too.
"But I don't see anybody in the next few years ready to fill the shoes of Venus and Serena. Big shoes."

DOUBLEFIST
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:10 PM
He didn't buy IW to make more money. He bought it because he likes playing tennis.

No one becomes rich from owning a tennis tournament. Larry became rich from founding Oracle. Selling database software makes you rich, selling tennis tickets doesn't
:rolleyes:

He didn't buy it to take a loss. He's a business man. He didn't buy out of charity.

tennisbum79
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by LDVTennis http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images2007/buttons/lastpost.gif (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=17440103#post17440103)
He didn't buy IW to make more money. He bought it because he likes playing tennis (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=404377&page=5#).

No one becomes rich from owning a tennis tournament. Larry became rich from founding Oracle. Selling database software makes you rich, selling tennis tickets doesn't
:rolleyes:

He didn't buy it to take a loss. He's a business man. He didn't buy out of charity.
Don't you know?:lol:
To LDVTennis , Larry E. only wants to make monney with Oracle database, any other "venture" he get invpved in is for charity.

tennisbum79
Mar 17th, 2010, 10:33 PM
If Larry does want the sister to come, I can see why.

Mr Ellison is one of the new breed of american business men who have an aversion to discrimination, perceived or real and do not tolerate being associated with any company or venture where there an appearence that discriminatory practices are tolerated.

This generation business men have often been ahead of the Federal goverment by setting up rules in their own companies to root out any behavior that might be perceived as discriminatory.racist or/and bigoted.

With this as a backdrop, I can understand why Larry E. would want to put this behind him once and for all.

Unlike the previous organizers, if Larry Ellison does not take action, he will be asked why not?

And I don't think he wants to keep answering this question every year, for I am sure, because of who he is, he will be asked the same question again, and again and again if nothing changes.

tonybotz
Mar 17th, 2010, 11:13 PM
they need to go back. it was almost 10 years ago. the anger period has worn off. the fans are probably all new people anyway. if they played i'm sure they'd get a huge ovation.

Serenita
Mar 17th, 2010, 11:31 PM
they need to go back. it was almost 10 years ago. the anger period has worn off. the fans are probably all new people anyway. if they played i'm sure they'd get a huge ovation.

I wont be to sure of that :unsure:. Besides after watching the clip, they have no reason to go back there. IW should move on like Serena and Venus did.

gmokb
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:55 AM
My ladies are never going back to that racist place. Pride alone would prevent them from doing so, too much time has passed. The tennis world should accept the fact that the WS will retire without ever playing there again.

People who think Larry bought the tournament only because of his love for the game are kidding themselves. He didn't get rich by making stupid decisions and throwing his money down losing ventures. People like him enter into ventures for success plus his pride factor comes into play. Maybe he needs a tax loss venture to offset some of his profits but somehow I think he could find a less stressful and inexpensive one.

Volcana
Mar 18th, 2010, 03:10 AM
Larry Ellison is a tennis fan. Why wouldn't he want Venus and Serena in his tournament?

As to how to get them there? What I would do is offer, oh say, a four-to-one financial match for Venus and Serena's winning for girl's schools in Africa. Serena wins a million, Ellison antes up four million. The rest is just PR. "...so happy to be back...", " ....courage of your convictions, yet....", "Larry Ellison made commitments that gave me no choice but ..." yada, yada, yada ... Toss in a rock star. Bono is the obvious choice, but whoever and ....

What, the crowd is going to boo schools for poverty-stricken girls in third world countries?

Totally do-able.

bandabou
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:28 AM
Coming from someone who probably doesn't even own a house or have a $1,000 to his name, this is precious. - :lol:

Well, of course, Larry E. doesn't have that $28 billion in a bank account. And, yes, some of that wealth represents his stock in Oracle if he liquidated it at the time Forbes drew up the list. Having said that, I'll bet he still makes much more than that 4% across all his investments in one year.

Indian Wells, an investment? You only think it is an investment because you don't have anywhere near this amount of money to spend.

But, consider this. This is how much Larry has spent on property for his personal use: $200 million to build a house in Northern CA. $180 million for 12 properties in Malibu. By comparison, $100 million for IW was a bargain.

By the way, when Larry E. makes investments, he buys other IT companies for $7.4 billion. That's an investment. :wavey:

:lol: LDV acting like it is HIS money that's being invested. Please...
Serenalover may not have that kind of money, but neither do you. So back off.

bandabou
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:45 AM
Too much happened, let it be. IW is dead for them and it seems like IW is doing fine without them.

bandabou
Mar 18th, 2010, 07:46 AM
:lol: In a handsight..IW'01 was a good thing for Serena. Since then she won 11 majors, 5 Miami's, 2 YEC's.. so it was all for good.

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:14 PM
they need to go back. it was almost 10 years ago. the anger period has worn off. the fans are probably all new people anyway. if they played i'm sure they'd get a huge ovation.

It's not a matter of anger, it's a matter of principle. They don't want to play anywhere where they don't feel welcomed, and I don't blame them.

:lol: In a handsight..IW'01 was a good thing for Serena. Since then she won 11 majors, 5 Miami's, 2 YEC's.. so it was all for good.
I think a certain "so-and-so" had something to do with that... ;)

bandabou
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:24 PM
It's not a matter of anger, it's a matter of principle. They don't want to play anywhere where they don't feel welcomed, and I don't blame them.


I think a certain "so-and-so" had something to do with that... ;)

;)

Bijoux0021
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:43 PM
Your right, BUT only if they felt there wasn't a genuine, heartful effort to reach out and right 'the wrong' that had been commited, and not a phoney, failed last ditch effort to opportunistically capitailize on their brand therby; 'saving the tournament'!!:rolleyes:

Otherwise I do believe it likely they'd make 1 final apperance in one fashion, or another. If just to close this painful chapter in their lives for good!!
You're delusional if you really believe this. :help:

Bijoux0021
Mar 18th, 2010, 12:44 PM
The "Justin and Kim being successors" comment got me :haha:

Successors dont quit and retire when the people they're trying to succeed are still playing and winning!

Successors my a$$!
:worship::worship::worship:

cehowardrx7
Mar 18th, 2010, 01:11 PM
Let me repeat myself one more time.


A Full Page

Apology To The

Williams Sisters From

The Tennis Org In IW

And THEN, and only THEN, should the Williams Sisters even CONSIDERED playing at Indian Wells again.

The William Sisters don't need IW!!:cool:

Matt01
Mar 18th, 2010, 02:20 PM
don't know why jh and kim are seen as successors to ws when they are around the same age :scratch:


Because they had their breakthrough several years after the WS had theirs.

The William Sisters don't need IW!!:cool:


And IW doesn't need the WS.

MrSerenaWilliams
Mar 18th, 2010, 06:41 PM
And IW doesn't need the WS.

By the sounds of this article, the owner of the tournament would disagree with you ;)

LDVTennis
Mar 18th, 2010, 09:57 PM
:lol: LDV acting like it is HIS money that's being invested. Please...
Serenalover may not have that kind of money, but neither do you.

Poor people are just plain clever. Now, if they could only figure out a way to make more money? --- :lol:

Infiniti2001
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:25 PM
Poor people are just plain clever. Now, if they could only figure out a way to make more money? --- :lol:

Typical queen :lol: Why don't you go back the basement to do what you do best with Steffi's pic? :tape:

bandabou
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:37 PM
Poor people are just plain clever. Now, if they could only figure out a way to make more money? --- :lol:

Poor people? I don't know any of the posters here personally, so I don't know if they're rich or not. Do you?

Tennisstar86
Mar 18th, 2010, 10:54 PM
they need to go back. it was almost 10 years ago. the anger period has worn off. the fans are probably all new people anyway. if they played i'm sure they'd get a huge ovation.

you must not know old rich (racist or not) white people....... They are stubborn and no standing ovation would be given.....:lol:

jrollaneres25
Mar 18th, 2010, 11:18 PM
This article is hilarious for a few reasons......

We have all been hearing about how the tournament is doing great without the sisters....who needs them from the old managers and owners. New guys comes in and he wants to get the sisters to play his tournament. Larry unfortunately, the person(s) who the sisters want an apology from is not you. Unless you can convince Charlie Pasarell and Raymond Moore to prostrate themselves on center court infront of the sisters they are not coming back.


Tracy Austin lamenting the lack of American players coming up that can step up for American tennis after the sisters retires. Where is this concern when they are playing and winning now. I guess you never know what you got till its gone.


WTA are some of the worst promoters in sports history......You have the story of the 2 AA sisters rising to top of tennis and you allow people in the media and tour to constantly tarnish your golden goose. They should have been stepping up for the sisters from day one. Now they need them to help renegotiate contracts and still keep them interesting to the world.

THIS!

Omg This is sooooo true:worship:

RAA
Mar 19th, 2010, 12:43 AM
I think that they said they would never play there again and they won't play there again. Simple as that. They don't need the money and they don't care about the fines which puts them in a great position to do whatever the hell they want and I think that is fantastic.

bandabou
Mar 19th, 2010, 07:04 AM
:lol: U know what the funny thing is. Folks are sitting here discussing this, taking cheap shots like IW-owner is billionaire and don't need the sisters, blah blah..

While the sisters themselves NEVER talk about IW anymore. The tournament just doesn't exist for them.
And they're STILL taking money to the bank. :lol: