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tennisbum79
Feb 27th, 2010, 07:46 AM
Chinese may forfeit 2000 gymnastics bronze

One member of squad was found to be underage, gymnastics officials say

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In this Sept. 19, 2000 file photo, Chinese gymnasts Yang Yun, left, and Dong Fangxiao wave flowers after receiving the bronze medal in the women's gymnastic team finals at the 2000 Summer Olympic Games. Dong was 14 during the Sydney Games, the International Gymnastics Federation said Friday.


updated 8:24 p.m. ET, Fri., Feb. 26, 2010
VANCOUVER, British Columbia - China should be stripped of its bronze medalhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35610686/ns/sports-olympic_sports//#) from the 2000 Olympics because one member of the squad has been found to be underage, international gymnastics officials said Friday.

Dong Fangxiao was 14 during the Sydney Games, according to an investigation by the International Gymnastics Federation. Gymnasts must be 16 during the Olympichttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35610686/ns/sports-olympic_sports//#) year to compete.
“Young gymnasts cannot be manipulated,” FIG president Bruno Grandi said. “Athletes must be protected.”

A second gymnast on the 2000 squad, Yang Yun, also was suspected of being underage. But there was insufficient evidence her age had been falsified, and the FIG said it was giving her a warning.
The FIG has “cancelled” all of Dong’s results from Sydney and forwarded its investigation to the International Olympic Committeehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35610686/ns/sports-olympic_sports//#). Because the case involves the Olympics, it is up to the IOC to decide if China should lose any medals.
The IOC has said previously it would take “necessary measures” if any gymnasts were found to be underage.
“We can confirm that we have received the ruling from the FIG in the case concerning Dong Fangxiao and Yang Yun, and we take due note of their decision,” IOC spokesman Mark Adams said. “Clearly, we need to take time to consider the findings before the Executive Board can consider the matter. We would like to thank the FIG for their work and we would refer further inquiries to them.”
The United States was fourth at the Sydney Games.
“I’m happy to know that justice is being served,” said Dominique Daweshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35610686/ns/sports-olympic_sports//#), a member of the 2000 squad. “There are rules in place and, if they are broken, there should be penalties.”
China must pay the costs of the investigations “for not having adequately controlled the birth dates of the gymnasts,” the FIG said. The investigation included two days of hearings in December at the FIG’s headquarters in Lausanne, Switzerland. Zhang Haifeng, the Chinese Olympic Committee’s press attache at the Vancouver Games, called the decision an “old story.”
“That was in 2000. Now is 2010,” he said. “This was 10 years ago.”
The U.S. Olympic Committee declined to comment. Steve Penny, president of USA Gymnastics, praised the FIG’s investigation.
“This is an extremely hard issue to try to address,” Penny said. “The FIG has done a very responsible thing.”

Questions about Dong and Yang’s eligibility arose during the FIG’s investigation into the eligibility of members of China’s team that won the gold medal at the Beijing Games. The 2008 gymnasts eventually were cleared after documentation was provided showing all six gymnasts were old enough to compete, but the FIG said it wasn’t satisfied with “the explanations and evidence provided to date” for Dong and Yang.

Dong’s accreditation information for the Beijing Olympics, where she worked as a national technical official, listed her birthday as Jan. 23, 1986. That would have made her 14 in Sydney — too young to compete. Her birth date in the FIG database is listed as Jan. 20, 1983.

Dong’s blog also says she was born in the Year of the Ox in the Chinese zodiac, which dated from Feb. 20, 1985, to Feb. 8, 1986. Dong has not denied that, but she declined to answer any questions about her age, telling The Associated Press, “I’ve left the gymnastics team.”

Yang, who also won a bronze medal on uneven bars in 2000, said in a June 2007 interview that aired on state broadcaster China Central Television that she was 14 in Sydney.

“At the time I was only 14,” she said in the interview, done in Chinese. “I thought that if I failed this time, I’ll do it again next time. There’s still hope.”
Dong later says she misspoke


She later told the AP that she had misspoken, declining further comment, and the FIG could find nothing else to confirm that she was 14. Documents given to the IOChttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35610686/ns/sports-olympic_sports/page/2/#), the FIG and the Chinese federation list her birthdate as Dec. 2, 1984.

Dong’s results from the 1999 world championships, where China won a bronze medalhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35610686/ns/sports-olympic_sports/page/2/#) and she was sixth in the all-around also will be wiped out, the FIG said.

Age falsification has been a problem in gymnastics since the 1980s, after the minimum age was raised from 14 to 15 in an effort to protect young athletes, whose bodies are still developing, from serious injuries. The minimum age was raised to its current 16 in 1997.

Romania admitted some of its gymnasts’ ages had been falsified, including Olympichttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35610686/ns/sports-olympic_sports/page/2/#) medalists Gina Gogean and Alexandra Marinescu. Gymnasts from the Soviet Union said their birthdates were changed to allow them to compete. And North Korea was banned from the 1993 world championships after FIG officials discovered Kim Gwang Suk, the 1991 gold medalist on uneven bars, was listed as 15 for three years in a row.

“Maybe as we move forward they will decide we don’t need an age restriction and maybe they will start to look at that now. I wouldn’t be opposed to it,” said Dawes, who was 15 when she competed at the Barcelona Olympicshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35610686/ns/sports-olympic_sports/page/2/#). “It would definitely eliminate any questions of someone’s age as an issue.

“I don’t care if there are 40-year-olds competing. They should allow the best gymnasts in the world to compete.”
To prevent age manipulation, the FIG last year began requiring all junior and senior gymnasts who represent their countries at most international meets to have a license. The licenses include gymnasts’ name, sex, country and date of birth, and are their proof of age for their entire career.




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Vartan
Feb 27th, 2010, 08:05 AM
The girls at Beijing Olympics looked 10!

Solitaire
Feb 27th, 2010, 08:34 AM
lol not shocking at all people already knew about the girls being underage at Sydney. But with China having such a hard on for the Olympics I highly doubt anything will be done. They will continue to send underage girls as long as they can get away with it. I say do away with the age rule so we all have a level playing field. Then again I don't trust any sport that relies on judges.

Danči Dementia
Feb 27th, 2010, 09:00 AM
I don´t get how did Yun got away with it, she herself said on national television a few years back that she was underage in Sidney, I love her though, killer UB routine:hearts::worship:
only Fangxiao is proven guilty.


The only thing the FIG can do and most likely will is cancell the results obtained by Fangxiao in the 1999 season, in the worlds and the FIG world cup series and world cup final, she didn´t do great anyways but the Chinese team medal will be affected (that medal was a total gift for China anyways:fiery:).

that is good news for me if they remove China´s bronze from 1999 means that Ukraine is getting the bronze:bounce::hearts: THEY DESERVED THE BRONZE!!!! justice will be done for the Ukranian team....Karpenko:hearts::hearts:


The Olympic bronze won´t be cancelled though.

the IOC in the Olympic Charter it says that no decision taken at the Olympic Games can be challenged after a period of 3 years after the Olympics are over.

so its too late now, unless they do something to change the rules wich I highly doubt:)

gentenaire
Feb 27th, 2010, 10:24 AM
lol not shocking at all people already knew about the girls being underage at Sydney. But with China having such a hard on for the Olympics I highly doubt anything will be done. They will continue to send underage girls as long as they can get away with it. I say do away with the age rule so we all have a level playing field. Then again I don't trust any sport that relies on judges.

ditto on everything. They got away with it at the latest olympics too.

RFSTB
Feb 27th, 2010, 02:17 PM
While we're at it, return the team gold at the Beijing Olympics.

China should be banned from Women's gymnastics. End of story.

Solitaire
Feb 27th, 2010, 02:20 PM
While we're at it, return the team gold at the Beijing Olympics.

China should be banned from Women's gymnastics. End of story.

Are F'n carzy China IS the summer Olympics cheating and all. :p But as long as you can get away with it then it's fine.

Crazy Canuck
Feb 27th, 2010, 02:42 PM
Are F'n carzy China IS the summer Olympics cheating and all. :p But as long as you can get away with it then it's fine.
This... does not make sense.

Anyway, this is unsurprising, but mostly just sad for all of the girls involved in that competition, including the Chinese gymnast. Just sad.

Solitaire
Feb 27th, 2010, 02:44 PM
This... does not make sense.

Anyway, this is unsurprising, but mostly just sad for all of the girls involved in that competition, including the Chinese gymnast. Just sad.

As it was sarcasm then it really shouldn't.....

Ellery
Feb 27th, 2010, 02:48 PM
:o :o :o

KournikovaFan91
Feb 27th, 2010, 02:51 PM
The USA still desperate to win that gold.

Solitaire
Feb 27th, 2010, 03:00 PM
The USA still desperate to win that gold.

First shocked ur a mod :eek:.... Second what does the US have to do with this?? This is about China no??

KournikovaFan91
Feb 27th, 2010, 03:26 PM
Because NBC are reporting on it. Why?? I haven't seen it on the BBC site yet. Its seems like NBC is tring to drag up every underage story involving China over the Beijing issue. Even if it has no connection with Beijing.
Apart from Johnston and Luikin the US team was weak. So they ould have been happy with their silver.

I hate even thinking about the Sydney Games after the vault controversy that messed up Khorkina.

Infiniti2001
Feb 27th, 2010, 03:29 PM
First shocked ur a mod :eek:.... Second what does the US have to do with this?? This is about China no??

I want to know too :rolleyes:

Solitaire
Feb 27th, 2010, 03:37 PM
Because NBC are reporting on it. Why?? I haven't seen it on the BBC site yet. Its seems like NBC is tring to drag up every underage story involving China over the Beijing issue. Even if it has no connection with Beijing.
Apart from Johnston and Luikin the US team was weak. So they ould have been happy with their silver.

I hate even thinking about the Sydney Games after the vault controversy that messed up Khorkina.

Wake up! The girls being underage at Sydney is NOTHING new and I do believe people outside of the US knew about it. Get over your hate of the US it's getting old and makes you look silly.

KournikovaFan91
Feb 27th, 2010, 03:50 PM
First of all everyone assumes I am hating, there are several US athletes I like, like Johnston in gymnastics is one example, Mirai Nagasu and Lolo Jones etc.

I have an issue with the media and how it gets involved in the Olympics, like the 2002 Figure Skating is another example of the media dictating who should win the gold medal.

Yes people outside the US know about this issue but in all honesty its a non story, who cares about the bronze medalisits in 2000, NBC are subtly linking this underage issue with the 2008 "issue".

Solitaire
Feb 27th, 2010, 03:57 PM
First of all everyone assumes I am hating, there are several US athletes I like, like Johnston in gymnastics is one example, Mirai Nagasu and Lolo Jones etc.

I have an issue with the media and how it gets involved in the Olympics, like the 2002 Figure Skating is another example of the media dictating who should win the gold medal.

Yes people outside the US know about this issue but in all honesty its a non story, who cares about the bronze medalisits in 2000, NBC are subtly linking this underage issue with the 2008 "issue".

People care because it's cheating and cheating is wrong hence it's a story. Don't forget China cheating not only affects the US it also affects other nations you might like. They cheated and should be held accountable.

Ellery
Feb 27th, 2010, 03:57 PM
It's kind of normal the USA would care the most as they would be directly impacted by this. Not specifically by the 2000 thing, but by its potential repercussions. As someone mentioned, the 2008 team gold.

How sad this happens to China, a country where people care so much about "mianzi" i.e. face. So not embarrassing at all :rolleyes:

Joana
Feb 27th, 2010, 03:59 PM
The age rules in gymnastics don't make any sense and I don't care whatsoever that they cheated.

Returning the golden medal that she rightfully won to Raducan should be IOC's priority, but that of course won't happen.

KournikovaFan91
Feb 27th, 2010, 04:05 PM
Raducan is really the champion in my eyes. Even though she has no medal.

delicatecutter
Feb 27th, 2010, 04:13 PM
Khorkina is the rightful champion in my eyes. The AA should have been scrapped and re-scheduled for the next day after they found out the vault was at the wrong height. :o

RFSTB
Feb 27th, 2010, 04:47 PM
And while we're at it, Lapinski and Hughes were both underage at the '98 and '02 Olympics and should return their gold from those Olympics. I don't care if everybody knew. It was still wrong.

Hey I'm just trying to be fair.:shrug:

KournikovaFan91 -- I get what you're saying. NBC is desperate for some ratings boost for Vancouver. Nothing brings ratings like a controversy.

delicatecutter
Feb 27th, 2010, 04:50 PM
Sarah Hughes was 16 at the 2002 Olympics, and therefore NOT underage. :rolleyes:

And the age rule was changed when Lipinski was in the middle of her career--it would have been blatantly unfair to suddenly not allow her to compete. That's why they had the grandfathering clause.

Pasta-Na
Feb 27th, 2010, 04:51 PM
return 8 gold medals of michael then... with that swimsuit. :o

hurricanejeanne
Feb 27th, 2010, 06:18 PM
I'm curious if this will cause the committees to investigate harder into some of the girls on the Chinese team from Beijing.

But above all, the committees need to come up with a full proof way to concrete legit birthdates so we can avoid this drama in the future.

KournikovaFan91
Feb 27th, 2010, 06:21 PM
Khorkina is the rightful champion in my eyes. The AA should have been scrapped and re-scheduled for the next day after they found out the vault was at the wrong height. :o

:bigcry:

I completly agree.

Or when there was an error all other aparatus should have been stopped. Because the vault was known about before Khorkina did her uneven bars. The vault fall had to effect her uneven bars.

Of course in Athens the vault was another issue with Khorkina and the score, but that is another thing entirely :sad:

Danči Dementia
Feb 27th, 2010, 10:04 PM
The "investigation" on the Chinese Beijing team was already done, it was done last year and THAT was exactly what started this whole investigation against Fangxiao and Yun.

USA won´t be getting any medals, the Sidney results won´t change to give USA the bronze in teams, like I already said there is NOTHING to be done unless IOC changes their rules.


its incredibly annoying that EVERYONE is judging the Asian gymnasst when they are or are suposed to be underage, but no one bitches about those europeans that were underage too. :rolleyes:

There have been lots of gymnast that have also admited they were underage while competing but NOTHING had been done to them, only to the Chinese and Korean, oh please, give me a fucking break :fiery: BE FUCKING FAIR!

stupid FIG, they haven´t had enough by destroying the beauty of artistic gymnastics with their stupid and hideous judging sytem, but now they are only trying to screw the Chinese, fucking bastards, now that they did that they should go and fix ALL THE CHEATING OR NOTHING. :weirdo:

Danči Dementia
Feb 27th, 2010, 10:10 PM
:bigcry:

I completly agree.

Or when there was an error all other aparatus should have been stopped. Because the vault was known about before Khorkina did her uneven bars. The vault fall had to effect her uneven bars.

Of course in Athens the vault was another issue with Khorkina and the score, but that is another thing entirely :sad:

I agree with Wally too.

that underage Chinese thing is just a cherry on the cake of the Sidney Olympics the worst organization in the gym competitions......seriously setting the vault in the wrong height?? :weirdo::rolleyes:

that competiton should have been cancelled and done again the next day.

just one stupid motherfucker stole Queen Khorkina´s dream just like that:fiery:

PlayByPlay
Feb 28th, 2010, 02:18 AM
Oh wow that was like what 10 years ago. Then again its not fair to cheat.