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pov
Feb 16th, 2010, 10:37 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/7250914/Dubai-Hamas-assassination-suspects-used-fake-passports.html


Dubai Hamas assassination: suspects used fake passports
Members of a suspected hit squad blamed for the assassination of a Hamas commander in Dubai used fake British and Irish passports, it has emerged.


Police in Dubai released details of 11 people they believe were involved in killing Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, all of whom were travelling on European documents.

But the Foreign Office in London said the six British passports were "fraudulent".

In addition, officials in Dublin said they had "issued no passports" in the names of the three people using Irish identities.

Dubai police chief Lieutenant General Dhahi Khalfan Tamim said yesterday the hit squad was behind the murder of al-Mabhouh, a founder member of Hamas's military wing, in a hotel last month.

The Irish government says the trio of alleged passport-holders identified on Monday in Dubai as Gail Folliard, Evan Dennings and Kevin Daveron do not appear in Ireland's records of legitimate passport-holders.

"We are unable to identify any of those three individuals as being genuine Irish citizens. Ireland has issued no passports in those names," the department said in a statement to The Associated Press.

The Irish government says the passport numbers publicised by Dubai authorities also are counterfeits, because they have the wrong number of digits and contain no letters.

Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a senior figure in the military wing of Hamas, was found dead in a hotel room on Jan 20. According to one report he was killed by a female assassin who entered his room by posing as a member of hotel staff, injected him with a drug that induced a heart attack and hung a “Do Not Disturb” sign on the door.

But other officers said he was strangled, probably after receiving an electric shock.

Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza, blamed Israel’s Mossad intelligence service for the killing.

But video footage and a series of passport photographs released by the Dubai police suggested a much more convoluted and bizarre operation than is normally associated with Mossad, which has a reputation for ruthless professionalism.

Gen Dahi Tamim, Dubai’s police chief displayed a series of passport photographs showing 10 men and a woman at a press conference.

Most of the individuals appeared to be of Middle Eastern origin, even thought they carried passports with European-sounding names.

As well as the three with Irish passports, six carried British passports, while the other two had French and German documents.

The Britons were named as James Leonard Clarke, Stephen Daniel Hodes, Paul John Keeley, Michael Lawrence Barney, Jonathan Lewis Graham, Melvyn Adam Milliner.

Gen Tamim also released CCTV footage that showed the woman wearing a wig and sporting a large hat and sunglasses in an apparent attempt to blend in with tourists.

Other suspects were wearing tennis clothes and false beards and carried tennis rackets. They were shown entering and exiting the al-Bustan Rotana hotel, where the victim stayed. Four of the group are then shown using an electronic device to open the door of a hotel room.

Despite appearances to the contrary, Gen Tamim said the operation was highly professional. None of the suspects was in Dubai for more than 19 hours, while Mr Mabhouh was killed just five hours after he arrived in the Gulf state.

Beyond saying it was possible that '“leaders of certain countries gave orders to their intelligence agents”, Gen Tamim made no direct accusation against Israel, which has declined to comment.

He said: “We do not rule out Mossad, but when we arrest those suspects we will know who the mastermind is.”

Although he hinted that the suspects may have used stolen passports, the police chief called on Britain to co-operate with the investigation.

Fingon
Feb 17th, 2010, 01:43 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/7250914/Dubai-Hamas-assassination-suspects-used-fake-passports.html


Dubai Hamas assassination: suspects used fake passports
Members of a suspected hit squad blamed for the assassination of a Hamas commander in Dubai used fake British and Irish passports, it has emerged.


Police in Dubai released details of 11 people they believe were involved in killing Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, all of whom were travelling on European documents.

But the Foreign Office in London said the six British passports were "fraudulent".

In addition, officials in Dublin said they had "issued no passports" in the names of the three people using Irish identities.

Dubai police chief Lieutenant General Dhahi Khalfan Tamim said yesterday the hit squad was behind the murder of al-Mabhouh, a founder member of Hamas's military wing, in a hotel last month.

The Irish government says the trio of alleged passport-holders identified on Monday in Dubai as Gail Folliard, Evan Dennings and Kevin Daveron do not appear in Ireland's records of legitimate passport-holders.

"We are unable to identify any of those three individuals as being genuine Irish citizens. Ireland has issued no passports in those names," the department said in a statement to The Associated Press.

The Irish government says the passport numbers publicised by Dubai authorities also are counterfeits, because they have the wrong number of digits and contain no letters.

Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a senior figure in the military wing of Hamas, was found dead in a hotel room on Jan 20. According to one report he was killed by a female assassin who entered his room by posing as a member of hotel staff, injected him with a drug that induced a heart attack and hung a “Do Not Disturb” sign on the door.

But other officers said he was strangled, probably after receiving an electric shock.

Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza, blamed Israel’s Mossad intelligence service for the killing.

But video footage and a series of passport photographs released by the Dubai police suggested a much more convoluted and bizarre operation than is normally associated with Mossad, which has a reputation for ruthless professionalism.

Gen Dahi Tamim, Dubai’s police chief displayed a series of passport photographs showing 10 men and a woman at a press conference.

Most of the individuals appeared to be of Middle Eastern origin, even thought they carried passports with European-sounding names.

As well as the three with Irish passports, six carried British passports, while the other two had French and German documents.

The Britons were named as James Leonard Clarke, Stephen Daniel Hodes, Paul John Keeley, Michael Lawrence Barney, Jonathan Lewis Graham, Melvyn Adam Milliner.

Gen Tamim also released CCTV footage that showed the woman wearing a wig and sporting a large hat and sunglasses in an apparent attempt to blend in with tourists.

Other suspects were wearing tennis clothes and false beards and carried tennis rackets. They were shown entering and exiting the al-Bustan Rotana hotel, where the victim stayed. Four of the group are then shown using an electronic device to open the door of a hotel room.

Despite appearances to the contrary, Gen Tamim said the operation was highly professional. None of the suspects was in Dubai for more than 19 hours, while Mr Mabhouh was killed just five hours after he arrived in the Gulf state.

Beyond saying it was possible that '“leaders of certain countries gave orders to their intelligence agents”, Gen Tamim made no direct accusation against Israel, which has declined to comment.

He said: “We do not rule out Mossad, but when we arrest those suspects we will know who the mastermind is.”

Although he hinted that the suspects may have used stolen passports, the police chief called on Britain to co-operate with the investigation.

if it was the mossad, they will never find out, unless the mossad wants them to know (as a message like with the 1972 olympics).

One thing that strikes me is that the British said the fake British passports had the wrong number of digits and no letters in them.

That tells me several things:

1) the mossad would have never made such a mistake;
2) either the Dubai border services officer are incompetent beyond belief or are involved, how can they not know that? it's very simple, they are supposed to check the passports against intelligence databases, how can they check them with the wrong number? and British passports are a serious matter, I am pretty sure border services have seen a few. I mean, if the watermark is not exactly correct, I can understand that, but wrong # formats??? do they expect me to believe that?
3) they said the men looked of middle eastern origin with european names, although they could perfectly well be european citizens, it's odd they all had european names, that should at lease raise some alarm and made them look more carefully, an idiot could have known the british passports were fake but even if that got through, that detail should have made them pay attention.
4) why such a high number of people involved? that's not how the mossad works, although there could be many people involved at different stages, likely they would know nothing about the whole operation.
5) an alternative to point #2, they are covering it up and the whole story is a fraud.
6) Why would Israel bother to mount such an operation with very little gain? when they needed to kill a hamas leader they fired a missile, most of the times succesfully, why was this guy so important to risk an operation like this to kill him? specially when Israel is under the microscope after the Gaza war? I have no doubts they would do it if it served a purpose, but it looks here like the costs are greater than the benefits.
7) there could be an attempt to blame Israel but I doubt it, it would be too gross.

I guess we will never know unless somebody knows someone else who works for the mossad or the CIA.

pov
Feb 17th, 2010, 02:18 AM
Fingon,
You missed/confused some of the details. It was the Irish government that said the passport details were off. Would an intelligence agency do that - yes for various reasons. Do they expect you to believe anything - no, you're quite irrelevant to the operation. While that may sound like a dig - and it is(lol) - the fact is that people on the outside of an op to often view it through parameters that while seemingly logical - are not applicable.


Let's put it this way - whoever sanctioned and set-up the hit has strong connections in Israel.

Fingon
Feb 17th, 2010, 02:22 AM
Fingon,
You missed/confused some of the details. It was the Irish government that said the passport details were off. Would an intelligence agency do that - yes for various reasons. Do they expect you to believe anything - no, you're quite irrelevant to the operation. While that may sound like a dig - and it is(lol) - the fact is that people on the outside of an op to often view it through parameters that while seemingly logical - are not applicable.


Let's put it this way - whoever sanctioned and set-up the hit has strong connections in Israel.

Yes, that's true, it was the Irish goverment, but the point is the same.

put it any way, it makes no sense, it was too easy to catch them at the border, the mossad (or al quaeda) would not make that mistake.

At most, I can accept that the mossad gave someone information, maybe someone who wanted the guy killed for whatever reason and they said, why not? but this does not look at all as an israesli operation.

pov
Feb 17th, 2010, 05:55 AM
Israel's Greatest Hits: Before Dubai, a History of Targeted Killing
Now Eyed in the Hotel Room Murder of a Hamas Official, Israel Almost Never Admits Involvement in Assassinations.
By MARK SCHONE

Feb. 17, 2010 —

When a group of harmless looking tourists reportedly employed fake passports and elaborate disguises to kill a top Hamas leader in his Dubai hotel room last month, the hit had all the hallmarks of an Israeli assassination, according to former CIA officer Robert Baer. Such operations would be nothing new for Israeli intelligence, Baer said.

From the series of targeted killings carried out in response to the murder of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich to a spree of car bombings and sniper attacks in recent years, "the Israelis have never really stopped assassinations," Baer said. "They've just gotten better at it."

Here are some of the most elaborate operations attributed to the Israelis and their secretive spy force, Mossad, in press accounts -- even though the government has disavowed involvement in almost every instance.

October 16, 1972 -- Two Israeli agents shoot Palestinian Abdel Wael Zwaiter 11 times in his apartment building after he returns home from dinner in Rome. The hit is believed to be the first of dozens of retaliatory assassinations against those directly or indirectly involved in the Munich Olympics attack. Zwaiter was the PLO representative in Italy.

June 14, 1980 -- French police find the Egyptian-born head of Iraq's nuclear program, Yahia El Meshad, bludgeoned to death in a room at the Hotel Meridien in Paris. The body of a prostitute, believed to have witnessed the murder, is found later. El Meshad's death is considered at the time to be a major setback for the Iraqi nuclear program. No one is arrested, but press accounts say the French suspected Israeli intelligence.

August 20, 1983 -- Two burly gunmen on a red motorcycle fire a silencer-equipped pistol into the car of Mamoun Meraish as he drives down a highway near Athens. A top aide to Palestine Liberation Organization chief Yasser Arafat, Meraish was on his way to the Greek port of Piraeus to visit a ship he'd purchased for $450,000 that police believed he had intended to use to for secret PLO shipping operations. The PLO blames Israeli agents.

Israeli Sniper on a Yacht

September 25, 1997 -- Using forged Canadian passports, two Mossad agents travel to Jordan and follow Khaled Meshal, the leader of the Muslim fundamentalist group Hamas, as he goes shopping in a residential part of western Amman. When the agents approach Meshal, a scuffle ensues. Meshal suffers a mysterious injury and loses consciousness. The agents, it is later determined, had sprayed Meshal with an unknown poison. Meshal is able to recover, but not before the botched attempt leads to embarrassment for Israel.

2002 - 2006 -- Israel is suspected in a series of car bombings that kill a succession of senior Hezbollah officials, including the top Hezbollah security officer, Ali Hussein Salah. He dies when a two-kilo car bomb explodes as he heads to work in southern Beirut.

February 12, 2008 -- Hezbollah military mastermind Imad Mugniyeh is killed in a massive car bombing in downtown Damascus. A man long sought in connection to the deadly bombing of the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires and the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marines barracks in Beirut, which killed 241 U.S. service members, Mugniyeh had eluded U.S. and Israeli agents for decades, even with a $5 million bounty on his head. Mossad agents tried twice to kill him in Beirut, killing his brother by mistake in 2004. Israel takes no credit for the Damascus bombing, and Mossad's hand is but one credible scenario in explaining the bombing. But senior Israeli and American officials do little to hide their glee. "The world is a better place without this man in it," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said at the time.

August 1, 2008 -- Muhammad Suleiman, a top Syrian army officer and right-hand man to President Bashar al-Assad, collapses on a beach near the Syrian resort of Tartous, where he has a vacation villa. His death is attributed to sniper shots to the head and neck, fired from a yacht moored far offshore. Following his death, there are conflicting reports about who was responsible, with some pointing to Syrians, and others to Mossad.

dementieva's fan
Feb 17th, 2010, 06:19 AM
Mossad is a very shady organization

In other news:
The sun rises from the east
Obama is the president of the united states
Human inhale Oxygen and exhale Carbon Dioxide

Beefy
Feb 17th, 2010, 07:48 AM
And the CIA, MI6 and the likes?

young_gunner913
Feb 17th, 2010, 07:53 AM
And the CIA, MI6 and the likes?

you forgot:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/3221417877_f462f61ce4_o.jpg

BUBI
Feb 17th, 2010, 08:08 AM
Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a senior figure in the military wing of Hamas, was found dead in a hotel room on Jan 20. According to one report he was killed by a female assassin who entered his room by posing as a member of hotel staff, injected him with a drug that induced a heart attack and hung a “Do Not Disturb” sign on the door.

Gen Tamim also released CCTV footage that showed the woman wearing a wig and sporting a large hat and sunglasses in an apparent attempt to blend in with tourists.

Other suspects were wearing tennis clothes and false beards and carried tennis rackets. They were shown entering and exiting the al-Bustan Rotana hotel, where the victim stayed. Four of the group are then shown using an electronic device to open the door of a hotel room.


Ideas for a new Bond-movie...

A Magicman
Feb 17th, 2010, 11:35 AM
Gen Tamim also released CCTV footage that showed the woman wearing a wig and sporting a large hat and sunglasses in an apparent attempt to blend in with tourists.


The one on the right, darlings?

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Absolutely-Fabulous-cc08.jpg

miffedmax
Feb 17th, 2010, 04:28 PM
The Mossad is hardly infallible. It wasn't that long ago they sparked a huge diplomatic crisis when they unsuccessfully tried to swipe a bunch of New Zealand passports.

The Kiwis were NOT amused, and as I recall the whole episode read like an script for a Police Squad movie.

pov
Feb 17th, 2010, 04:37 PM
And the CIA, MI6 and the likes?
Organizations - like countries - have their own unique timbres and cultures.

pov
Feb 17th, 2010, 04:44 PM
N.Y. Judge Bans Book; Injunction Says Spy Expose' Would Hurt Israel
[FINAL Edition]
The Washington Post Sep 13, 1990
Start Page: d.09
Section: STYLE
Text Word Count: 449

The Israeli government sought the ban of the book, "By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer." The author, Victor Ostrovsky, claims to have been a Mossad operative in the mid-1980s.

Lawyers for the Israeli government argued that the book contained information that could, in the language of the judge's order, "endanger the lives of various people in the employ of the state of Israel, and would be detrimental to the government of the state of Israel."

State Supreme Court Justice Michael J. Dontzin signed the order in his apartment at 1:05 a.m. after hearing from lawyers for Israel and St. Martin's. The Supreme Court in New York is a trial-level court, not a court of appeal.

pov
Feb 17th, 2010, 04:53 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/16/mossad-operations-false-passports
the long arm of the Mossad

Ian Black examines Israeli secret service's long history of clandestine operations and use of false passports

Israel's Mossad secret service, more formally known as the Institute for Espionage and Special Tasks, has a long history of carrying out clandestine operations, including several spectacular assassinations. Much remains secret but cases that are documented have involved large teams of agents using false or stolen passports to disguise their Israeli origins.

The Mossad's assassination unit has been known at different times as Caesarea and Kidon (Bayonet). Women agents have often been involved – there was reportedly one in the Dubai killing.

Israel's official silence does not mean that it cannot be heard trumpeting its success. "The intelligence [about Dubai] was reliable and accurate," *commented the respected national security specialist Yossi Melman in the newspaper Haaretz earlier this month. "Even though Mabhouh knew Israeli *intelligence had him in its sights and took stringent precautions they still managed to get him."

Information released by Dubai shows the professionalism of the suspected assassins and their methods, Melman commented today, citing a novel written by a former Mossad officer, Mishka Ben-David, the plot of which bears a close similarity to the abortive poison attack on the Hamas leader Khaled Misha'al in Jordan in 1997. That case caused huge political embarrassment when two agents using false Canadian passports fled to the Israeli embassy in Amman.

Israel's isolation in the Middle East meant an early reliance on secret operations. The Mossad's victims over the years – some avowed, others not – have included German scientists working on Egypt's rocket programme in the 1960s, Iraqis working on nuclear projects in the 1980s, and, it is assumed, Iranians who are thought to be doing the same today. Mossad agents also carried out the kidnapping of Adolf Eichmann, the fugitive SS officer and architect of Hitler's "final solution," in Argentina in 1960. Eichmann was abducted and smuggled back to Israel, where he was tried and hanged.

Other key killings include that of the PLO military chief Abu Jihad in Tunisia in 1988 and an Islamic Jihad leader in Malta in the mid-1990s. The Mossad was also held responsible for the assassination of the military chief of Lebanon's Hezbollah, Imad Mughniyeh, in Syria two years ago, but Israel has never formally avowed it. Most Mossad operations, like those of most intelligence agencies, have taken place in the shadows only to emerge in a blaze of publicity and political embarassment after the event.

So it was when Golda Meir ordered the agency to hunt down and kill the Palestinians who massacred 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972 in the name of the Black September group. Eleven Palestinians were eliminated in a Mossad operation known as Wrath of God in killings in Rome, Cyprus, Paris, Beirut, Athens, Rome and a small town in Norway where an innocent Moroccan waiter was mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, the alleged planner of Munich. Salameh was killed by a car bomb in Beirut in 1979.

Motives of revenge and deterrence appear to go hand in hand. "We tried not to do things just by shooting a guy in the streets, that's easy – fairly," said Dave Kimche, a former deputy head of the agency, talking of one assassination carried out by a bomb planted in a telephone. "By putting a bomb in his phone, this was a message that they can be got anywhere, at any time and therefore they have to look out for themselves 24 hours a day."

Mabhouh was apparently targeted because of his role in the kidnapping and killing of two Israeli soldiers in 1989 at the end of the first Palestinian intifada. But some question the sense, if not the morality, of such assassinations. "Every terrorist, no matter how senior, is soon replaced, sometimes by someone even better or more professional," Melman wrote in Haaretz.

Fingon
Feb 18th, 2010, 12:23 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/16/mossad-operations-false-passports
the long arm of the Mossad

Ian Black examines Israeli secret service's long history of clandestine operations and use of false passports

Israel's Mossad secret service, more formally known as the Institute for Espionage and Special Tasks, has a long history of carrying out clandestine operations, including several spectacular assassinations. Much remains secret but cases that are documented have involved large teams of agents using false or stolen passports to disguise their Israeli origins.

The Mossad's assassination unit has been known at different times as Caesarea and Kidon (Bayonet). Women agents have often been involved – there was reportedly one in the Dubai killing.

Israel's official silence does not mean that it cannot be heard trumpeting its success. "The intelligence [about Dubai] was reliable and accurate," *commented the respected national security specialist Yossi Melman in the newspaper Haaretz earlier this month. "Even though Mabhouh knew Israeli *intelligence had him in its sights and took stringent precautions they still managed to get him."

Information released by Dubai shows the professionalism of the suspected assassins and their methods, Melman commented today, citing a novel written by a former Mossad officer, Mishka Ben-David, the plot of which bears a close similarity to the abortive poison attack on the Hamas leader Khaled Misha'al in Jordan in 1997. That case caused huge political embarrassment when two agents using false Canadian passports fled to the Israeli embassy in Amman.

Israel's isolation in the Middle East meant an early reliance on secret operations. The Mossad's victims over the years – some avowed, others not – have included German scientists working on Egypt's rocket programme in the 1960s, Iraqis working on nuclear projects in the 1980s, and, it is assumed, Iranians who are thought to be doing the same today. Mossad agents also carried out the kidnapping of Adolf Eichmann, the fugitive SS officer and architect of Hitler's "final solution," in Argentina in 1960. Eichmann was abducted and smuggled back to Israel, where he was tried and hanged.

Other key killings include that of the PLO military chief Abu Jihad in Tunisia in 1988 and an Islamic Jihad leader in Malta in the mid-1990s. The Mossad was also held responsible for the assassination of the military chief of Lebanon's Hezbollah, Imad Mughniyeh, in Syria two years ago, but Israel has never formally avowed it. Most Mossad operations, like those of most intelligence agencies, have taken place in the shadows only to emerge in a blaze of publicity and political embarassment after the event.

So it was when Golda Meir ordered the agency to hunt down and kill the Palestinians who massacred 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972 in the name of the Black September group. Eleven Palestinians were eliminated in a Mossad operation known as Wrath of God in killings in Rome, Cyprus, Paris, Beirut, Athens, Rome and a small town in Norway where an innocent Moroccan waiter was mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, the alleged planner of Munich. Salameh was killed by a car bomb in Beirut in 1979.

Motives of revenge and deterrence appear to go hand in hand. "We tried not to do things just by shooting a guy in the streets, that's easy – fairly," said Dave Kimche, a former deputy head of the agency, talking of one assassination carried out by a bomb planted in a telephone. "By putting a bomb in his phone, this was a message that they can be got anywhere, at any time and therefore they have to look out for themselves 24 hours a day."

Mabhouh was apparently targeted because of his role in the kidnapping and killing of two Israeli soldiers in 1989 at the end of the first Palestinian intifada. But some question the sense, if not the morality, of such assassinations. "Every terrorist, no matter how senior, is soon replaced, sometimes by someone even better or more professional," Melman wrote in Haaretz.

yes, this guy is writing a novel, and he is second guessing Mossad, there is some true in it but in fact, we know very little about this organizations.

The CIA has been in the news for quite a while, accused of all kind of things, some maybe true, some maybe not.

What we have to keep in mind is that this organizations are not James Bond style, most of their work is pretty boring and anonymous, they are fundamentally intelligence agencies, they provide and analyze information and often their agents are obscure average people, because they need to not be noticed.

Even in the United States, the intelligence services work under classified presidential orders, nobody outside a small circle knows what's going on too much.

But they are well financed, and have some of the best minds working from them, do you wonder how the CIA for example can go from complete inneptitude to high levels of efficiency in only a month?

The only reason they can operate is because people don't know they are around. They can look for 1000 similiarities with alleged Mossad plots but I can swear to you the Mossad would not make such a gross mitake with passports and how those passports passed control has no explanation whatsoever, unless the israesli managed to hacked the airport systems, possible but not likely, still they wouldn't provide with passports that are obviously wrong.

All is guessing but I can suspect some involvement inside Dubai, even inside Hamas, some people can be very high in the ranks but they make enemies. The Mossad might have provided financial support, intel and maybe incentives but I doubt they carry on the operation, and I don't care what a retired officer writing a novel has to say, there are too many loose ends, and they can't tight up the passports one.

KournikovaFan91
Feb 18th, 2010, 12:50 AM
So typical they use Irish passports, I imagine Dubai officials really didn't worry too much about the person when the passport said Éire on the front.

This is very Litveneko-esque, all these secret services have become very sloppy when they kill people.

pov
Feb 18th, 2010, 01:41 AM
yes, this guy is writing a novel, and he is second guessing Mossad, there is some true in it but in fact, we know very little about this organizations.

The CIA has been in the news for quite a while, accused of all kind of things, some maybe true, some maybe not.

What we have to keep in mind is that this organizations are not James Bond style, most of their work is pretty boring and anonymous, they are fundamentally intelligence agencies, they provide and analyze information and often their agents are obscure average people, because they need to not be noticed.

Even in the United States, the intelligence services work under classified presidential orders, nobody outside a small circle knows what's going on too much.

But they are well financed, and have some of the best minds working from them, do you wonder how the CIA for example can go from complete inneptitude to high levels of efficiency in only a month?

The only reason they can operate is because people don't know they are around. They can look for 1000 similiarities with alleged Mossad plots but I can swear to you the Mossad would not make such a gross mitake with passports and how those passports passed control has no explanation whatsoever, unless the israesli managed to hacked the airport systems, possible but not likely, still they wouldn't provide with passports that are obviously wrong.

All is guessing but I can suspect some involvement inside Dubai, even inside Hamas, some people can be very high in the ranks but they make enemies. The Mossad might have provided financial support, intel and maybe incentives but I doubt they carry on the operation, and I don't care what a retired officer writing a novel has to say, there are too many loose ends, and they can't tight up the passports one.

Clearly you have your opinions. And clearly you hold to those opinions very tightly. And yet as much as what you say is logical, well-reasoned and "makes sense" - it's meaningless in assessing the op. That fact that you keep mentioning the passports is hilarious especially since you defeat your own point. You see it as a mistake - yet you have no idea why the passports were made that way. They did what they were designed to do - get the bearer passed through airport security.

Fingon
Feb 18th, 2010, 01:52 AM
Clearly you have your opinions. And clearly you hold to those opinions very tightly. And yet as much as what you say is logical, well-reasoned and "makes sense" - it's meaningless in assessing the op. That fact that you keep mentioning the passports is hilarious especially since you defeat your own point. You see it as a mistake - yet you have no idea why the passports were made that way. They did what they were designed to do - get the bearer passed through airport security.

of course I don't know what happened.

However, assuming, and only assuming that Mossad was involved.

there are two unanswered questions, why the Mossad faked passports in such an unprofessional way and, how did they get through?

One possible explanation (and it's entirely speculative) is that the agents did not need the passports to be right, simply because they have already arranged their entry, which would mean complicity inside Dubai, still, why make them so obviously wrong?

A second explanation is that the passports are really a decoy, they may belong to people that for other reasons falsified the passports, making mistakes and they are somehow blamed for the murder, choosing such blatanly wrong passports is a way to quickly switch the attention to this people, specially involving other goverments whose passports were faked.

there are multitude of explanations, you are right to the point we don't know why the passports were like that, however, if it was an error, IMO it was an intentional error, or, it was someone's else error and the Mossad or whoever is behind is using it to its own advantage.

Everyone can make mistakes even the Mossad, but I don't think they make this class of mistakes, not in a carefully planned operation, yes, the poison can fail as in the failed assassination attempt in Jordan, but this kind of errors? I don't believe it.

Halardfan
Mar 23rd, 2010, 04:05 PM
The British government have confirmed it has strong reason to believe it was Israel which faked the British passports and has expelled an Israeli diplomat as retaliation.

wta_zuperfann
Mar 24th, 2010, 02:02 AM
It's time for justice - capture the criminals responsible and hang them all!