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samsam4087
Nov 5th, 2009, 08:22 AM
Who is greater? Chris Evert or Serena Williams?

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-11/27/xinsrc_24211032711378432215980.jpg

http://orvillelloyddouglas.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/serena-williams.jpg

ElusiveChanteuse
Nov 5th, 2009, 08:30 AM
Greater abs? Greater breasts? Greater ass? Greater hair? Greater legs? Greater face? Greater arms? Greater shoulder? Greater eyes? Greater nose? Greater smile? etc. :shrug:

Julian.
Nov 5th, 2009, 08:36 AM
Greater achievement: Evert
Greater everything else: Serena

Caralenko
Nov 5th, 2009, 08:45 AM
:rolls:

The pictures you choose are always so inspired.

MyskinaManiac
Nov 5th, 2009, 09:56 AM
Serena has a greater ass. Period.

Evert has the body of a 15 year old Korean gymnist. It's sickening how someone did so much with seemingly so little.

cherseles
Nov 5th, 2009, 01:43 PM
Serena has a greater ass. Period.

Evert has the body of a 15 year old Korean gymnist. It's sickening how someone did so much with seemingly so little.

Why not Chinese gymnists? They are too much better than Korean's.:confused:

Mikey.
Nov 5th, 2009, 01:47 PM
Why not Chinese gymnists? They are too much better than Korean's.:confused:

:spit:

!Gio!
Nov 5th, 2009, 01:47 PM
Why not Chinese gymnists? They are too much better than Korean's.:confused:

:lol:

markdelaney
Nov 5th, 2009, 01:50 PM
Judge them when Serena retires. Comparing an active player to a retired one is pointless. Serena could win the next 12 slams for all you know !

kiwifan
Nov 5th, 2009, 02:42 PM
Chris Evert is my all time fave female and I think she's the best period...

...Serena would probably beat her Head to Head but different eras, blah blah, we'll never know.

Chris is looking her hottest.

Peak Serena is the Cat Suit photos (actually I like the Cameroon Soccer Kit she wore for the French a lot too).

miffedmax
Nov 5th, 2009, 04:04 PM
You do them both a disservice by choosing pics with bangs, because that automatically renders the discussion irrelevant. And one glance at my avi tells you why.

LightWarrior
Nov 5th, 2009, 08:31 PM
Evert has the body of a 15 year old Korean gymnist. It's sickening how someone did so much with seemingly so little.

That's called talent.

Olórin
Nov 5th, 2009, 09:16 PM
Both are amazing tennis-players and Chrissie's achievements are not easily surpassed.

pav
Nov 5th, 2009, 09:36 PM
If Chrissie could just bring herself to snag a french husband next ,she will complete a matrimonial grand slam!

Kunal
Nov 5th, 2009, 10:42 PM
based on ability....serena

goldenslam888
Nov 5th, 2009, 10:43 PM
sorry, i just do not consider serena attractive.

nat75
Nov 5th, 2009, 10:48 PM
Chrissy.

misael
Nov 5th, 2009, 11:09 PM
chris

Caillou
Nov 5th, 2009, 11:45 PM
Hope the poll was asking who is greater in terms of talent, cuz that's why I voted serena. Achievements wise it's not much of a debate...

Justin SW
Nov 5th, 2009, 11:53 PM
In the 80's womens tennis was very unilateral only a few womens could compete with the Top so no big challenge :o

LightWarrior
Nov 6th, 2009, 12:23 AM
In the 80's womens tennis was very unilateral only a few womens could compete with the Top so no big challenge :o

Yes, in those days Nav and Evert got to the quarters and even the semis beating every player 61 61 on their way. Things have changed.
Back to the topic Evert is obviously greater (in terms of achievements, that's what it's about here). But it's a different era, different racquets etc. So it's pretty much irrelevant to form an honest opinion. But I love them both. Chris is a legend, so is Serena.

KournikovaFan91
Nov 6th, 2009, 12:29 AM
Serena by far.

LightWarrior
Nov 6th, 2009, 12:33 AM
Serena by far.

Don't be so dumb. Serena has 11 slams, won 35 tournaments overall.
Evert : 18 slams, 156 tournaments overall. Do the math.

samsam4087
Nov 11th, 2009, 06:08 AM
Don't be so dumb. Serena has 11 slams, won 35 tournaments overall.
Evert : 18 slams, 156 tournaments overall. Do the math.

yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

Shvedbarilescu
Nov 11th, 2009, 07:19 AM
Some of these polls are fun and make for good debates and one can make a reasonable case for both sides such as in Sanchez Vicario v Davenport or Navratilova vs Graf. Not this one. This one is clear cut and easy. Evert is better by a huge margin. Her consistency both in the big events and the small events was VASTLY greater than that of Serena to render serious debate pointless. I am afraid all those folks who have voted for Serena here are either terribly biased fans or they simply do not have a clue, and by the way I say all this fully aware, and happy to acknowledge, that Serena Williams is the best player of her generation.

Chrissie-fan
Nov 11th, 2009, 08:11 AM
In the 80's womens tennis was very unilateral only a few womens could compete with the Top so no big challenge :o
No need to make light of Evert's achievements because going by the comments I read on these boards things are not much better today. Even top 10 players are regularly called mediocre by posters. So if we accept that than Serena is the best player of a poor field. Of course, whenever a thread like this comes up fans all of a sudden change their tune and those that were called mediocre the day before are now all of a sudden fierce opponents.

samsam4087
Jul 5th, 2010, 09:52 AM
Chris Evert

AnywhereButHome
Jul 5th, 2010, 10:24 AM
:worship: Serena :worship:

kiwialicat
Jul 5th, 2010, 10:35 AM
Evert without a doubt.

MistyGrey
Jul 5th, 2010, 12:13 PM
Evert, easily.

samsam4087
Jul 5th, 2010, 07:54 PM
Evert without a doubt.

Yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

antonella
Jul 5th, 2010, 07:56 PM
It's back to the Who's Greater threads.

Bruno71
Jul 5th, 2010, 07:58 PM
That pic of Chris :spit:

DOUBLEFIST
Jul 5th, 2010, 07:59 PM
Talent, Serena.
Achivement, Evert.

Lulu.
Jul 5th, 2010, 08:00 PM
Judge them when Serena retires. Comparing an active player to a retired one is pointless. Serena could win the next 12 slams for all you know !

This.

BluSthil
Jul 5th, 2010, 10:00 PM
One of the ways to honestly have a discussion about who is the greatest female player of all time is to compare how each one [U][I]dominated their generation. This goes for all the Greats...

That would be a very interesting exercise ?

DemWilliamsGulls
Jul 6th, 2010, 03:55 AM
Chris Everett wish she could have half the tennis talent and athleticism as Serena....hands down no questions asked....SERENA!

Pat Bateman
Jul 6th, 2010, 07:03 AM
Who is greater? Chris Evert or Serena Williams?

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-11/27/xinsrc_24211032711378432215980.jpg

http://orvillelloyddouglas.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/serena-williams.jpg

Jeez Louise, Photoshopped much? That's Chris Evert's head on the body of some 18 year old bimbo.:help:

Serena is a fine player but she will never surpass Chrissie's tally of off-court conquests. :worship:

Caralenko
Jul 6th, 2010, 07:23 AM
Talent, Serena.
Achivement, Evert.

I very much disagree. :lol:

Matt01
Jul 6th, 2010, 10:22 AM
Chris Everett wish she could have half the tennis talent and athleticism as Serena....hands down no questions asked....SERENA!


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I think we should until Serena's career is over.
Right now Evert is obviously greater by far. :lol:

edificio
Jul 6th, 2010, 11:16 AM
Tough call. Wait, how are we determining this?

graciaesia
Jul 6th, 2010, 11:31 AM
Evert is definitely the more talented one, even though I have to admit that Serena Williams is having an unbelievable career. Yet Evert won 18 Great Slams, including 7 French Open !! Besides, Evert's career win–loss record in singles matches of 1,309–146 (.900) is the best of any professional player in tennis history.

However, Serena is still young (28) and has the qualities to beat Evert's record.
Actually, if you take a look at the press we can see that Chris Evrt is still a role model for many players :
http://www.pickanews.com/qespresspub/servlet/QESServlet_prepare?Base=22800768&Premier=1&Dernier=20&F_2=evert

Look how beautiful she is when she si focused on the ball:
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/08/23/gallery.usopenhistory/gallery13.jpg

Deck
Jul 6th, 2010, 11:44 AM
good result
without the biased Williamstards it would be 74-6, even more realistic

samsam4087
May 9th, 2012, 08:38 AM
Chris is greater.

Serena is not a consistent player.

Cosmic Voices
May 9th, 2012, 10:20 AM
Judge them when Serena retires. Comparing an active player to a retired one is pointless. Serena could win the next 12 slams for all you know !

PLEASE GOD NO

abesky
May 9th, 2012, 12:00 PM
Based on today's tennis, Serena of course. Today's tennis has become such a power sport that you need more than just a strategy. The old ladies in their prime will not stand against today's girl, let alone Serena.

barmaid
May 9th, 2012, 12:20 PM
Both are legends in the era they played in, you can't compare tennis greats that played in different eras, Serena is superior in hers but Chrissie was rivaled by Martina Navratilova, you could say that Venus rivaled her sister but so did many others. Serena was a "clear" front runner in her era as her stats show hence she was greater.:worship:

Barmaid:wavey:

mauresmofan
May 9th, 2012, 12:37 PM
Chris of course can't really argue with the stats Chris created throughout her career some are not really breakable to be honest.

poulao
May 9th, 2012, 01:00 PM
I personally reckon the sisters among the great, but not the greatest, they just didn't play enough for that. :shrug:

samsam4087
May 10th, 2012, 12:47 AM
I personally reckon the sisters among the great, but not the greatest, they just didn't play enough for that. :shrug:

Yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

serenafann
May 10th, 2012, 01:04 AM
Greater Tennis achievements-Chris Evert

Greater Tennis player- Serena Hands Down.

Stonerpova
May 10th, 2012, 01:14 AM
Serena's the better player, Chrissie achieved more. But Serena's far from done yet.

danieln1
May 10th, 2012, 01:19 AM
So far Evert, I dont think Serena will surpass her achievements anytime soon

Sammo
May 10th, 2012, 01:23 AM
91-51

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Evert won 154 singles titles. Serena won her 40th like a couple of weeks ago :lol:

Aaron.
May 10th, 2012, 01:49 AM
Yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship: Welcome back

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faboozadoo15
May 10th, 2012, 02:17 AM
How is this even a discussion? Evert by far.
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And to the people posting that Serena is a far better player or that she'd tear Evert limb from limb, look at what someone like Jennifer Capriati was able to do against peak Serena.

samsam4087
May 10th, 2012, 02:23 AM
Greater abs? Greater breasts? Greater ass? Greater hair? Greater legs? Greater face? Greater arms? Greater shoulder? Greater eyes? Greater nose? Greater smile? etc. :shrug:

:lol::lol::lol:

carling
May 10th, 2012, 03:42 AM
Big fan of both, but I have to go with Christine Marie Evert!

TheDream
May 10th, 2012, 03:51 AM
How is this even a discussion? Evert by far.
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And to the people posting that Serena is a far better player or that she'd tear Evert limb from limb, look at what someone like Jennifer Capriati was able to do against peak Serena.

Peak Serena beat Capriati like 9 or 10 times in a row though? She nabbed her first win in years over Serena after Serena was recovering from knee surgery. Bad comparison. Capriati might have pushed Peak Serena but she never even came close to winning any of those matches.

ziros
May 10th, 2012, 03:52 AM
LOL @ people saying Serena is clearly the better player,do people not know anything about time? Serena would have NO CHANCE against Evert and Navratilova back in their era with wooden rackets. On the other side of the coin,you'd be a fool to think that Evert would be the same player if she was playing today with modern technology

mistymore
May 10th, 2012, 03:53 AM
Serena isnt anywhere near the stratosphere of Graf, Evert, Court, or Navratilova amongst Open Era greats. She is down with King and possibly even Seles. Even if she wins 20 slams, while she would distance herself from King and Seles in this case, I would not put her on par with those first 4. Why:

-Her record on clay (barring improvement). Only 1 French Open final. Only 2 French Open semis. Ownage at the hands of her eras best clay courter (Henin). Not that many overall titles on clay.

-The giant black hole in the middle of her career after Wimbledon 2003 until U.S Open 2008 where aged 21 to 26, and after already winning 6 slams and dominating, she managed only 2 slam titles and ceded dominance of the game to players like Justine Henin, not even a first tier all time great, who won 6 slams during that same span. Unacceptable for a potential GOAT in the heart of her career.

-A peak that lasted only roughly 18 months, and still did not produce the success of past champions. Only 5 slam wins in her best 2 years ever, 3 losses to a pre prime Henin, losses to Rubin, Shaughnessy, Schnyder, no Grand Slam. Court, Graf twice, Navratilova twice, even Seles have all produced better 2 year streaks than Serena's far and away 18 month peak.

-Only 40 tournament titles. Absolutely embarassing total for a 13 slam winner, trailing Davenport, Clijsters, Hingis, Henin, and Venus in her own era, and well below the likes of Evonne Goolagong, Virginia Wade all time.


Basically in no sense is she comparable to someone like Chris Evert. As for comparing their games, transport Serena to 40 years earlier and put wood in her hands and see how she performs. Serena's biggest weakest is inconsistency so she would hate playing possibly the most consistent player in every sense of the word in history, and Serena's biggest strengths which are power and serving which infinitely less of factors then than what they are today.

mistymore
May 10th, 2012, 03:54 AM
Peak Serena beat Capriati like 9 or 10 times in a row though? She nabbed her first win in years over Serena after Serena was recovering from knee surgery. Bad comparison. Capriati might have pushed Peak Serena but she never even came close to winning any of those matches.

Big deal. She still went 3 sets to her every match they played in her 18 month peak. Evert would make mincemeat out of someone like Capriati. Someone like Steffi Graf did make mincemeat out of Capriati, almost all their matches were straight sets and Capriati even lost several 0 and 1.

TheDream
May 10th, 2012, 03:54 AM
LOL @ people saying Serena is clearly the better player,do people not know anything about time? Serena would have NO CHANCE against Evert and Navratilova back in their era with wooden rackets. On the other side of the coin,you'd be a fool to think that Evert would be the same player if she was playing today with modern technology

I agree with this. Evert would be a completely different player now than she was then. And, Serena would've adjusted quite nicely to the wooden rackets if she was born during that era.

TheDream
May 10th, 2012, 04:03 AM
Big deal. She still went 3 sets to her every match they played in her 18 month peak. Evert would make mincemeat out of someone like Capriati. Someone like Steffi Graf did make mincemeat out of Capriati, almost all their matches were straight sets and Capriati even lost several 0 and 1.

Capriati also pushed Henin, Clijsters, Venus, Hingis, Davenport, all to 3 sets many times during that period but lost most of them. And, Graf making mincemeat out of a 15 year-old Capriati is nothing noteworthy.

It's hard to say how Capriati would do against Evert since Capriati loved playing consistent baseline grinders. Her biggest threats were against power baseliners with good serves. Look at her record against Venus, Davenport, Pierce, etc. Horrible records against them.

Temporary0369
May 10th, 2012, 04:08 AM
Whoa, where did this thread come from? I would say Evert is by far the better of the two--in terms of everything, achievements and game (I mean, you hit four shots back to Serena and she's dead). Serena could have been "greater" but a number of factors have held her from claiming that title.

Also, it's pointless to make these statements about players from one era matching up against players from another era BUT seriously, show respect for the greats. Evert played (and beat) Billie Jean King, Martina Navratilova, Steffi Graf, Sabatini, Seles, Fernandez, et al. Graf played (and beat) Evert, Navratilova, Seles, Hingis, Serena, Venus, Davenport, et al. Greats from one generation certainly adapt to changes in the game (which are precipitated by things like racket technology and surface changes NOT--generally--by players).

samsam4087
May 10th, 2012, 04:25 AM
Serena isnt anywhere near the stratosphere of Graf, Evert, Court, or Navratilova amongst Open Era greats. She is down with King and possibly even Seles. Even if she wins 20 slams, while she would distance herself from King and Seles in this case, I would not put her on par with those first 4. Why:

-Her record on clay (barring improvement). Only 1 French Open final. Only 2 French Open semis. Ownage at the hands of her eras best clay courter (Henin). Not that many overall titles on clay.

-The giant black hole in the middle of her career after Wimbledon 2003 until U.S Open 2008 where aged 21 to 26, and after already winning 6 slams and dominating, she managed only 2 slam titles and ceded dominance of the game to players like Justine Henin, not even a first tier all time great, who won 6 slams during that same span. Unacceptable for a potential GOAT in the heart of her career.

-A peak that lasted only roughly 18 months, and still did not produce the success of past champions. Only 5 slam wins in her best 2 years ever, 3 losses to a pre prime Henin, losses to Rubin, Shaughnessy, Schnyder, no Grand Slam. Court, Graf twice, Navratilova twice, even Seles have all produced better 2 year streaks than Serena's far and away 18 month peak.

-Only 40 tournament titles. Absolutely embarassing total for a 13 slam winner, trailing Davenport, Clijsters, Hingis, Henin, and Venus in her own era, and well below the likes of Evonne Goolagong, Virginia Wade all time.


Basically in no sense is she comparable to someone like Chris Evert. As for comparing their games, transport Serena to 40 years earlier and put wood in her hands and see how she performs. Serena's biggest weakest is inconsistency so she would hate playing possibly the most consistent player in every sense of the word in history, and Serena's biggest strengths which are power and serving which infinitely less of factors then than what they are today.

Yes, well said.

:worship::worship::worship:

SerenaSiren
May 10th, 2012, 07:58 AM
Its Serena..
With greater rivalries..
2000-08 is the GOLDEN ERA
Common :D

mistymore
May 10th, 2012, 11:29 AM
Capriati also pushed Henin, Clijsters, Venus, Hingis, Davenport, all to 3 sets many times during that period but lost most of them. And, Graf making mincemeat out of a 15 year-old Capriati is nothing noteworthy.

It's hard to say how Capriati would do against Evert since Capriati loved playing consistent baseline grinders. Her biggest threats were against power baseliners with good serves. Look at her record against Venus, Davenport, Pierce, etc. Horrible records against them.

Graf made mincemeat out of a 17 year old Capriati repeatedly, one beatdown after another. Graf at 17 was a French Open Champion and soon to be World #1, and she wasnt the pre pubescent phenom Capriati had been. Even a 23 year old Capriati got made mincemeat by a 29 year old soon to retire Graf, eating yet another bagel and breadstick from the Graf bakery. "Maybe" peak Capriati would have been respectable with a 32 post many surgeries Graf in the early 2000s, but that is about it.

Capriati was 2-5 vs Henin and 3-3 vs Clijsters and she didnt play either in their primes, and all matches at her supposed peak from 2001-2003. I wouldnt call them huge power players, but closer to consistent baseline grinders you refer to. She was also 4-7 vs Mauresmo, not a huge power player either. 5-11 vs Sabatini, losing record vs Sanchez Vicario. She had trouble with lots of baseline grinders, and ones not near as good as Evert. Capriati when she finally developed a slam winning game was in fact more of a grinder herself, rather than the young power player who languished in the second half of the top 10 for years. That would be bad news vs Chris though who she could never hope to beat playing that way.

You dont know much about the Capriati vs Pierce history. Pierce is Capriati's bitch. Hingis, Pierce, and Serena were the only top players Capriati didnt mind playing, and young Clijsters too I suppose.

Matt01
May 10th, 2012, 11:53 AM
Greater Tennis achievements - Chris Evert.

Greater Tennis player - Evert Hands Down.

samsam4087
May 20th, 2012, 04:59 AM
Martina Navratilova is the greatest!!!

renstar
May 21st, 2012, 09:51 AM
One has to only look at how pitter patter and slow the game was at the beginning of Evert's career, then look at some of her final matches in her career where she had adapted her game, gone from wooden rackets to a modern racket of the day, how she was matching it with power players like Graf and Seles and you see her ability is timeless. Sure Serena could beat her in push ups in the gym, but tennis is about a lot more about that. Evert was the most consistent player of all time with the highest winning ratio in history, she would have found a way to get Serenas biggest shots back and just moved Serena around causing mistakes. Mind you Chris would have to be at the prime of her game and youth to beat Serena on one of Serenas good days, but how often does Serena have a good day, especially outside of slams.

I was actually suprised looking lately at some of Chris's matches on youtube of her final year on tour how hard she was hitting it, for her, and how she was matching it with Sabatini and Graf by moving the ball around and even hitting a lot of winners. Sure she was losing to graf but she was 34 by then so that is to be expected.

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tennisvideos
May 21st, 2012, 02:28 PM
One has to only look at how pitter patter and slow the game was at the beginning of Evert's career, then look at some of her final matches in her career where she had adapted her game, gone from wooden rackets to a modern racket of the day, how she was matching it with power players like Graf and Seles and you see her ability is timeless. Sure Serena could beat her in push ups in the gym, but tennis is about a lot more about that. Evert was the most consistent player of all time with the highest winning ratio in history, she would have found a way to get Serenas biggest shots back and just moved Serena around causing mistakes. Mind you Chris would have to be at the prime of her game and youth to beat Serena on one of Serenas good days, but how often does Serena have a good day, especially outside of slams.

I was actually suprised looking lately at some of Chris's matches on youtube of her final year on tour how hard she was hitting it, for her, and how she was matching it with Sabatini and Graf by moving the ball around and even hitting a lot of winners. Sure she was losing to graf but she was 34 by then so that is to be expected.

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Interesting, but you can watch matches like from 1964 Wimbledon final between Court and Bueno and they were hitting the ball very had indeed. It all depended on the match ups .. even Maureen Connolly hit the ball very hard back in the 50s. I think if you watch some of Evert's earlier matches with wood I think she actually slowed many of the matches down, she was able to beat the great S&V players this way - with lobs, drop shots and placements. She didn't need to hit hard to beat them, in fact slowing it down was often more effective. All I am saying is that it wasn't all pitter pat back then.

I agree that it wasn't a surprise that she lost to a young Graf when she was 34. It happens with all fading stars ... Bueno lost to a young teenage Court, Court lost to a young teenage Evert, Evert lost to a young teenage Austin, and so on. It's just evolution.

P3
May 21st, 2012, 03:40 PM
Peak Serena is the Cat Suit photos (actually I like the Cameroon Soccer Kit she wore for the French a lot too).
Loved that outfit!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38042000/jpg/_38042596_serena150.jpg

rjd1111
May 21st, 2012, 04:28 PM
Don't be so dumb. Serena has 11 slams, won 35 tournaments overall.
Evert : 18 slams, 156 tournaments overall. Do the math.


Math cannot go on a tennis court and play tennis

Serena CAN!



Besides Chris already admitted Serena was better.

mistymore
May 21st, 2012, 04:36 PM
Chris never stated Serena is the greater player. She admited Serena had more athletic ability and had potential to be the best ever. There is a huge difference. Chris knows her athleticsm was never her strongest suit, her incredible mental focus, machine like precise groundstrokes, and amazing tactical mind were. She has ever said Besty Nagelsen and Diane Fromholtz were better athletes than her, is she saying they were better players too. As for the potential part, at the time Serena was wasting that potential, which is why Chris wrote that later. She sure as hell wasnt saying Serena was the best ever, she was saying get your ass back in gear right now and keep it there for another decade and you could be, and dont end your career with regrets. As of yet she still hasnt fulfilled it.

Chrissie-fan
May 21st, 2012, 04:39 PM
Math cannot go on a tennis court and play tennis

Serena CAN!


Besides Chris already admitted Serena was better.
Chris Evert is the opposite of Navratilova when it comes to those types of comments. Whereas Martina rarely hesitates to call herself the GOAT Evert has called pretty much anyone other than Pam Shriver better than herself.

mistymore
May 21st, 2012, 04:42 PM
Chris Evert is the opposite of Navratilova when it comes to those types of comments. Whereas Martina rarely hesitates to call herself the GOAT Evert has called pretty much anyone other than Pam Shriver better than herself.

and if she never played Pam she probably would do that too, but she knows she cant as having beaten Pam 17 times in a row she would lose credability if she did. :lol: Chris is probably the most humble and classy tennis champion of all time. It is sad her humility has caused her to be underrated by many historians, while Navratilova's arrogance and self promotion has put her closer in the GOAT debate to Graf than she should be.

ACEof DIAMONDS
May 21st, 2012, 04:59 PM
Basically this is the thread:

Serena fans overvalue their favs ranking in regards to the all time greats.

Tennis fans put Serena fans in their place with basic statistics, knowledge and facts. Notice there is a BIG difference between a fan of the actual game of tennis and a Serena fan.

Serena fans won't accept the obvious and try to make themselves feel better by saying well Serena has more talent, screw achievements. My oh my will this board be clear of so much riff raff when Rena retires.

Monzanator
May 21st, 2012, 05:05 PM
Of course it's Evert.

Had Serena played in the Steffi Graf era or vice versa, we'd have a fair comparison. In her era, Serena doesn't have a single rival remotely close to the status of Navratilova like Evert did. It's a no-brainer.

madmax
May 21st, 2012, 05:07 PM
Chrissie was the most consistent player of all time...think of female Borg if you like. Even the likes of Pushniacki drive Serena crazy with their moonballs and junk all over the court. Think how peak young Evert would toy with her? Haha

mistymore
May 21st, 2012, 05:07 PM
Basically this is the thread:

Serena fans overvalue their favs ranking in regards to the all time greats.

Tennis fans put Serena fans in their place with basic statistics, knowledge and facts. Notice there is a BIG difference between a fan of the actual game of tennis and a Serena fan.

Serena fans won't accept the obvious and try to make themselves feel better by saying well Serena has more talent, screw achievements. My oh my will this board be clear of so much riff raff when Rena retires.

The funny thing is if someone dares to suggest Henin or Venus could be argued as better than Serena, Serena fans will have a cow. However they are much closer in career statistic to Serena than Serena is to Graf, Evert, Navartilova, Court, et al. So if can argue Serena as better than any of those, than they are conceding one can argue Venus or Henin is better than Serena too.