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A-Bond
Oct 31st, 2009, 07:03 PM
As I only follow Tennis since 2005 I don't know a lot about the times before. I just looked a bit through the Activities of Jelena Dokic (I always thought she's overhyped) but it really seems in 2001(especially in fall) nobody aside from Lindsay was able to stop her. Has anyone else ever had such a strong fall season? BTW I would love if somebody could tell a bit about that time, her game and so on. Thanks.

BTW I love that only bad result against Danka :hearts::hearts::hearts:

BAHIA
R32 BYE
R16 H2H MAJOLI, IVA (CRO) 41 W 6-1 6-2
Q H2H REEVES, SAMANTHA (USA) 193 W 6-3 6-2
S H2H DE LOS RIOS, ROSSANA (PAR) 75 W 6-0 6-2
F H2H (1) SELES, MONICA (USA) 9 L 6-3 6-3


TOYOTA PRINCESS
R32 BYE
R16 H2H KRASNOROUTSKAYA, LINA (RUS) 35 W 6-4 6-4
Q H2H TU, MEILEN (USA) 44 W 6-2 6-2
S H2H (1) CLIJSTERS, KIM (BEL) 5 W 7-5 6-4
F H2H (5) SANCHEZ-VICARIO, ARANTXA (ESP) 19 W 6-4 6-2


LEIPZIG
R32 BYE
R16 H2H HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA (SVK) 57 L 4-6 7-6(6) 6-0


MOSCOW
R32 H2H KRASNOROUTSKAYA, LINA (RUS) 36 W 6-3 5-7 7-5
R16 H2H FOKINA, GALINA (RUS) 258 W 6-4 6-3
Q H2H SCHIAVONE, FRANCESCA (ITA) 40 W 6-2 6-0
S H2H (6) FARINA ELIA, SILVIA (ITA) 17 W 6-4 6-3
F H2H (8) DEMENTIEVA, ELENA (RUS) 13 W 6-3 6-3


ZURICH
R32 BYE
R16 H2H RUBIN, CHANDA (USA) 36 W 6-4 6-4
Q H2H (8) FARINA ELIA, SILVIA (ITA) 15 W 6-4 7-6(3)
S H2H (5) TAUZIAT, NATHALIE (FRA) 11 W 6-2 6-2
F H2H (3) DAVENPORT, LINDSAY (USA) 3 L 6-3 6-1


LINZ
R32 BYE
R16 H2H MAJOLI, IVA (CRO) 34 W 7-6(3) 6-7(6) 6-3
Q H2H STEVENSON, ALEXANDRA (USA) 76 W 6-3 7-5
S H2H TULYAGANOVA, IRODA (UZB) 26 W 6-2 4-6 6-0
F H2H (1) DAVENPORT, LINDSAY (USA) 3 L 6-4 6-1

bmxbandit
Oct 31st, 2009, 07:04 PM
Man, those were the days. Look at all those names!

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 31st, 2009, 07:08 PM
As I only follow Tennis since 2005 I don't know a lot about the times before. I just looked a bit through the Activities of Jelena Dokic (I always thought she's overhyped) but it really seems in 2001(especially in fall) nobody aside from Lindsay was able to stop her. Has anyone else ever had such a strong fall season? BTW I would love if somebody could tell a bit about that time, her game and so on. Thanks.

BTW I love that only bad result against Danka :hearts::hearts::hearts:

BAHIA
R32 BYE
R16 H2H MAJOLI, IVA (CRO) 41 W 6-1 6-2
Q H2H REEVES, SAMANTHA (USA) 193 W 6-3 6-2
S H2H DE LOS RIOS, ROSSANA (PAR) 75 W 6-0 6-2
F H2H (1) SELES, MONICA (USA) 9 L 6-3 6-3


TOYOTA PRINCESS
R32 BYE
R16 H2H KRASNOROUTSKAYA, LINA (RUS) 35 W 6-4 6-4
Q H2H TU, MEILEN (USA) 44 W 6-2 6-2
S H2H (1) CLIJSTERS, KIM (BEL) 5 W 7-5 6-4
F H2H (5) SANCHEZ-VICARIO, ARANTXA (ESP) 19 W 6-4 6-2


LEIPZIG
R32 BYE
R16 H2H HANTUCHOVA, DANIELA (SVK) 57 L 4-6 7-6(6) 6-0


MOSCOW
R32 H2H KRASNOROUTSKAYA, LINA (RUS) 36 W 6-3 5-7 7-5
R16 H2H FOKINA, GALINA (RUS) 258 W 6-4 6-3
Q H2H SCHIAVONE, FRANCESCA (ITA) 40 W 6-2 6-0
S H2H (6) FARINA ELIA, SILVIA (ITA) 17 W 6-4 6-3
F H2H (8) DEMENTIEVA, ELENA (RUS) 13 W 6-3 6-3


ZURICH
R32 BYE
R16 H2H RUBIN, CHANDA (USA) 36 W 6-4 6-4
Q H2H (8) FARINA ELIA, SILVIA (ITA) 15 W 6-4 7-6(3)
S H2H (5) TAUZIAT, NATHALIE (FRA) 11 W 6-2 6-2
F H2H (3) DAVENPORT, LINDSAY (USA) 3 L 6-3 6-1


LINZ
R32 BYE
R16 H2H MAJOLI, IVA (CRO) 34 W 7-6(3) 6-7(6) 6-3
Q H2H STEVENSON, ALEXANDRA (USA) 76 W 6-3 7-5
S H2H TULYAGANOVA, IRODA (UZB) 26 W 6-2 4-6 6-0
F H2H (1) DAVENPORT, LINDSAY (USA) 3 L 6-4 6-1

In those 6 tournaments she went 1-3 vs top-tenners. So much for 'ownage'.

Not to mention Davenport was the 2001 Fall's Queen.

Sammm
Oct 31st, 2009, 07:10 PM
:hearts: what a tournament whore. Notice that a lot of the big guns were absent at that time - Seles chose not to play Europe, Hingis had ankle problems, Williams sisters didn't play much. So you have to consider Jelena's success in context.

markdelaney
Oct 31st, 2009, 07:28 PM
So let me get this right, she loses 6-3 6-1 and 6-4 6-1 to Davenport yet she owned the tour ?

Interesting fact about Jelena in grand slams is until she beat Wozniacki this year, the only time she ever beat a current top 20 player in a grand slam event was at Wimbledon 99.

frederique
Oct 31st, 2009, 07:37 PM
Oh I remember how frustrated I was with Davenport :) Couldn't stand her for beating Jelena everytime.
But Jelena played great that season :hearts:

Wannabeknowitall
Oct 31st, 2009, 07:43 PM
I remember those days.
I was at St. John's Univ. at the time and it seemed that every weekend I was watching Dokic play.
Every weekend Lindsay was catching up to the number one ranking.
In the end, Lindsay got it.
Thanks to Dokic and her quality points. :lol:

Dokic serve was pretty good and that really helped her for the indoors fall season.
She was very confident at the time and she really went for her shots.
She wasn't predictable and her change of direction on the ball was probably the best in the game at the time.
She was actually a consistent player on her groundstrokes compared to now, very flat with lots of depth though.
Problem was she really sucked on defense which is why Lindsay had such an easy time with her.
These days Dokic is actually a better defensive player but I don't feel she changes the direction of the ball as easily as she did in her younger days.
And to answer your other question, Lindsay has had better fall seasons, it's pretty much the reason she has been able to be year end number one for four years.
She usually played catch up in the indoor fall season.


Wawrinka's ass.

Dave.
Oct 31st, 2009, 07:54 PM
Points from the Zurich final. Jelena also lost 6-4 6-2 to Lindsay at that year's YEC.

TlSZn9CLpeI

It was certainly the best period of Jelena's career and a fantastic run. But Lindsay regularly put in strong fall season runs like that. In fact in 2001 she won 3 straight tournaments in as many weeks, and finished the year on a 15 match winning streak.


I remember those days.
I was at St. John's Univ. at the time and it seemed that every weekend I was watching Dokic play.
Every weekend Lindsay was catching up to the number one ranking.
In the end, Lindsay got it.
Thanks to Dokic and her quality points. :lol:


:lol:

young_gunner913
Oct 31st, 2009, 07:59 PM
8 years later she's an ITF Queen. Congrats Jelena :worship:

Illusionist
Oct 31st, 2009, 08:07 PM
After all she's been through, I'm just happy she's still on the tour :kiss: :inlove:

In The Zone
Oct 31st, 2009, 08:08 PM
This was after September 11th. So notice the lack of Americans. And Lindsay won Filderstadt, Zurich, Linz, YEC F. So ... Lindsay > Jelena. But go Jelena. ;)

Michael!
Oct 31st, 2009, 09:04 PM
Fall 2001 was the best time of Lindsay!
She just played great back then, was one of her best times ever, and she was also No.1 in the end of 2001.
Sad, that she injured herself in the SF against Kim in Munich, was really sad, that she couldnt play the final!

Dokic´s fall was also good, but far away from "owned"

Slutati
Oct 31st, 2009, 09:17 PM
Yes, but this thread is about Dokic not Lindsay.
Go Jelena. :hearts:

Michael!
Oct 31st, 2009, 09:26 PM
Yes, but this thread is about Dokic not Lindsay.
Go Jelena. :hearts:

A stupid and simple"Go Jelena" is for sure better than my post, I know ;)

Slutati
Oct 31st, 2009, 09:32 PM
A stupid and simple"Go Jelena" is for sure better than my post, I know ;)
It is simple, but not stupid. But yes, my post was way better than yours. ;)
Anyways, please don't be so gelis of Jeca and her amazing 2001 fall season. :wavey:

cellophane
Oct 31st, 2009, 09:35 PM
Fall indoor season :sobbing:

Michael!
Oct 31st, 2009, 10:02 PM
It is simple, but not stupid. But yes, my post was way better than yours. ;)
Anyways, please don't be so gelis of Jeca and her amazing 2001 fall season. :wavey:

Why should I be jealous?
Compare Jelena with the player I have in my sig and banner, and you know then who of both could have all reasons to be jealous ;)

égalité
Oct 31st, 2009, 10:36 PM
Lindsay is so amaze in those highlights. :sobbing: If she had more gears than "leisurely stroll" and "stand still," she could've been GOAT :hysteric:

hdfb
Oct 31st, 2009, 10:46 PM
5 finals from 6 tournaments. :inlove: Whether you want to argue it's a weak field or not, she still had some quality opponents, and this is pretty consistent to reach 5 finals regardless!

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 31st, 2009, 10:59 PM
5 finals from 6 tournaments. :inlove: Whether you want to argue it's a weak field or not, she still had some quality opponents, and this is pretty consistent to reach 5 finals regardless!

Nobody argues she was consistent back then. But she has never 'owned' the tour, not even for a short period of time.

Привет
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:02 PM
Oh come on. The thread starter is just trying to say that she had a great season. :rolleyes:

Overstating things is what WTAWorld is all about. GOAT, anyone? :shrug:



2001 Jela is so :hearts:.

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:05 PM
Oh come on. The thread starter is just trying to say that she had a great season. :rolleyes:

Overstating things is what WTAWorld is all about. GOAT, anyone? :shrug:

Overstatement and sarcasm are not the same thing.

Привет
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:09 PM
Overstatement and sarcasm are not the same thing.

Okay, so bad example, but you're not going to try and argue that people don't overstate things on here ALL the time are you? :lol:

BOMBSHELL!!!!!11!! threads are a better example. Or people saying Vika was trying to kill a baby when she was hitting a ball along the ground. :lol:

The Daviator
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:12 PM
She did extremely well, and this was probably peak Dokic, and the fact that she lost to Lindsay 46 16, 36 16 and 46 26, kinda tells you gulf between them :angel:

Dominic
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:14 PM
She did extremely well, and this was probably peak Dokic, and the fact that she lost to Lindsay 46 16, 36 16 and 46 26, kinda tells you gulf between them :angel:

Peak Dokic was 2002.

powerbackhand
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:26 PM
It is simple, but not stupid. But yes, my post was way better than yours. ;)
Anyways, please don't be so gelis of Jeca and her amazing 2001 fall season. :wavey:

post of the thread:hearts::hearts::hearts:

powerbackhand
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:27 PM
Why should I be jealous?
Compare Jelena with the player I have in my sig and banner, and you know then who of both could have all reasons to be jealous ;)

yeah but you dont know venus though

Dominic
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:28 PM
post of the thread:hearts::hearts::hearts:

New post of the thread :hearts::hearts::hearts:

powerbackhand
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:29 PM
She did extremely well, and this was probably peak Dokic, and the fact that she lost to Lindsay 46 16, 36 16 and 46 26, kinda tells you gulf between them :angel:

she was only 18 we are yet to see peak dokic 2010 peak dokic will emerge golden slam:bounce::bounce:

powerbackhand
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:29 PM
New post of the thread :hearts::hearts::hearts:

even newer post of the thread:hearts::hearts::hearts::hearts:

Привет
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:31 PM
she was only 18 we are yet to see peak dokic 2010 peak dokic will emerge golden slam:bounce::bounce:

Preach it sister. :worship:

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:40 PM
LOL Golden Slam.

DokicToServe
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:43 PM
Well... *technically* we never saw peak Dokic. We WOULD have seen her, if she hadn't any of the problems that kept bothering her. Anyway... on to a great 2010 season (injury-and-problem free I hope!)

danieln1
Oct 31st, 2009, 11:51 PM
I agree, after Lindsay, no one could stop Jelena, she was playing the best tennis of her life! Too bad she only found that again in australian open 2009, where she played close to that, but thing derailed really badly... I hope in 2010 she´ll find that form again!!

Dominic
Nov 1st, 2009, 12:10 AM
even newer post of the thread:hearts::hearts::hearts::hearts:

OMG Definately new post of the thread, Soooo constructive :worship::hearts:

powerbackhand
Nov 1st, 2009, 12:18 AM
OMG Definately new post of the thread, Soooo constructive :worship::hearts:

oh stop it! Your embarrassing me :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

Dominic
Nov 1st, 2009, 12:21 AM
oh stop it! Your embarrassing me :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

Lol bitch!

SM
Nov 1st, 2009, 12:22 AM
It's just that Lindsay played a similar game to Jelena, but was smarter in shot selection and could come in with a better transition game to the net. Not a good match up for her.

Kind of like Henin vs Jankovic.

Beat
Nov 1st, 2009, 12:32 AM
Points from the Zurich final.

gosh, how i miss linzi indoors queen :sobbing:

Uranus
Nov 1st, 2009, 12:49 AM
Man, those were the days. Look at all those names!
So true. Back when the Tour was decent. Makes me so nostalgic.

cn ireland
Nov 1st, 2009, 12:50 AM
Here's hoping for similiar results for JD in 2010:)!

powerbackhand
Nov 1st, 2009, 12:57 AM
Lol bitch!

Please dont curse at me:sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad:

delicatecutter
Nov 1st, 2009, 01:19 AM
I love Jelena. :hearts:

So Disrespectful
Nov 1st, 2009, 01:54 AM
Jelena was only 18 at that point, while Davenport was 25. I don't think a few losses to the number one player during Jelena's teenage years discredits her talent in any way.

Mashabator
Nov 1st, 2009, 01:57 AM
Jelena was amazing! :hearts:

tennisforadults
Nov 1st, 2009, 01:23 AM
Yes she was really outstanding on tour back then. But she also had Damir.

I rather see her as the ITF queen today without her abusive/crazy father coach. She controls her own destiny now. :)

Rising Sun
Nov 1st, 2009, 02:15 AM
I remember back then Jelena used to play a Wozniacki-like schedule. :o

Golovinjured.
Nov 1st, 2009, 03:20 AM
Tournie whore :worship:

Kworb
Nov 1st, 2009, 03:46 AM
Points from the Zurich final. Jelena also lost 6-4 6-2 to Lindsay at that year's YEC.

TlSZn9CLpeI

It was certainly the best period of Jelena's career and a fantastic run. But Lindsay regularly put in strong fall season runs like that. In fact in 2001 she won 3 straight tournaments in as many weeks, and finished the year on a 15 match winning streak.




:lol:

Absolutely amazing highlights. :inlove: Women's tennis used to be so good.

LeonHart
Nov 1st, 2009, 03:54 AM
She never really "owned" anytime on the tour. She was always a second tier player (losing to GS champions in later rounds of GS's or tournaments).

So Disrespectful
Nov 1st, 2009, 06:38 AM
She never really "owned" anytime on the tour. She was always a second tier player (losing to GS champions in later rounds of GS's or tournaments).

She was on a similar trajectory to Clijsters and Henin before her problems started. It's not fair to call her a second tier player when you look at the immensely talented and experienced girls who were ranked above her at the time. Not every slam champion wins their first one as a teenager and who knows what she would have achieved with supportive parents.

In today's game, if she can rebuild some form I'm sure she'll be a factor at the big events again.

Leo_DFP
Nov 1st, 2009, 06:53 AM
Has anyone else ever had such a strong fall season?

Ummmm, Davenport.

Next pointless thread by a ten year old?

Vamos Feńa
Nov 1st, 2009, 08:13 AM
I'd not say she 'owned' but she was damn good out there :hearts: remember that half of top 10 back there were Americans (Jen, WS, Monica and Lindsay) and it was after 9/11 so she had a little easier, still those wins look impressive.
Davenport on the other hand was in crushing form :eek:

Miss those times :sobbing: and Europe indoor season!

frederique
Nov 1st, 2009, 08:40 AM
she was only 18 we are yet to see peak dokic 2010 peak dokic will emerge golden slam:bounce::bounce:

:worship:

powerbackhand
Nov 1st, 2009, 09:30 AM
She was on a similar trajectory to Clijsters and Henin before her problems started. It's not fair to call her a second tier player when you look at the immensely talented and experienced girls who were ranked above her at the time. Not every slam champion wins their first one as a teenager and who knows what she would have achieved with supportive parents.

In today's game, if she can rebuild some form I'm sure she'll be a factor at the big events again.

:worship::worship: it takes a while for a young player to get used to playing well against the real top tier players. Usually they go through a patch of losing to them ( like wozniacki who used to get rounced everytime she met a top player, now she beats them)

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 1st, 2009, 10:22 AM
She was on a similar trajectory to Clijsters and Henin before her problems started.

No, she wasn't.

Joana
Nov 1st, 2009, 02:17 PM
She was on a similar trajectory to Clijsters and Henin before her problems started.

Henin and Clijsters played in a Slam final that year. Jelena failed to get past the R4.