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Just Do It
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:09 PM
If Victoria beats Vera and Jelena beats Caroline which will most likely happen, Jelena, Victoria and Caroline will have 2 wins and one defeat. Who goes through in that case ?

Julian.
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:10 PM
depends on the sets i think.

Temperenka
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:11 PM
Jelena is so lucky. :help:

Dinara W/O and now it's obvious that Caroline will be nowhere near 100%.

She could end up the least deserving semi-finalist ever... in any tournament. :rolleyes:

Keegan
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:11 PM
It will go down to sets won/lost I believe.

tenn_ace
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:12 PM
too bad Woznicacki is in the semi :mad:

Illusionist
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:14 PM
JJ goes through if she wins tomorrow. If she wins 2 sets to 0, she'll have 4/2, Karo 4/4, and if she wins 2 sets to 1, she'll have 4/3, and Karo 5/4. In that case, JJ goes through.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:14 PM
if Wozniacki withdraws....... she'll be out

thats why her dad wont let her retire.

then again WTA have :weirdo: rules

ATP at least got proper rules in Masters Cup.

Temperenka
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:14 PM
too bad Woznicacki is in the semi :mad:

There is a scenario where she isn't.

If Jelena and Vika both win in straight sets tomorrow.. I believe that they qualify.

BuTtErFrEnA
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:15 PM
sets won i believe...

fufuqifuqishahah
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:17 PM
I think if Jelena and Vika win tomorrow, they advance period lol

If Jelena beats Caro 2 sets to 1,
Jelena will have 4-3 to Caroline's 5-4, which is a better percentage. Unless they do it off of sets won first x_x, in which case, Caro would go through.

If Jelena win but Vika loses, then Jelena and Caro advances. Unfortunately for Caro, Jelena and Caro are up first so Caro won't get to play gamesmanship xD

RenaSlam.
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:17 PM
White Group = "Scrub" Group

Herbert
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:18 PM
if Wozniacki withdraws....... she'll be out

thats why her dad wont let her retire.

then again WTA have :weirdo: rules

ATP at least got proper rules in Masters Cup.

Does she only forfeit her participation for the rest of the tournament by withdrawing before her match against Jankovic or also if she retires during the match?

Just Do It
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:20 PM
So, Wozniacki is not allowed to retire. I guess she will tank it BADLY and then hope Vera upsets Azarenka :lol:

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:24 PM
Does she only forfeit her participation for the rest of the tournament by withdrawing before her match against Jankovic or also if she retires during the match?

Withdrawal
Any player who withdraws from any round robin match after the
first match shall not be eligible for the Single Elimination
Competition.

DragonFlame
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:33 PM
If jelena goes through over caroline, i'd find it incredibly sad. What this girl showed, and how she fought she deserves to be in the semifinal, no buts.

I agree, the quality of the white group sucks and no one of this group will probably have a chance in the semi's but how wozniacki has shown guts and is fighting out here she deserves that semifinal. I really really hope she's ok to play tomorrow.

Noctis
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:33 PM
Scenarios

Jelena Wins 2-0 Vika Wins 2-0

Vika 2 W 1 L 5/2
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/2
Caro 2 W 1 L 4/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Jelena Wins 2-0 Vika Wins 2-1

Vika 2 W 1 L 5/3
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/2
Caro 2 W 1 L 4/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Jelena Win 2-1 Vika 2-0

Vika 2 W 1 L 5/2
Caro 2 W 1 L 5/4
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/3
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Jelena Win 2-1 Vika 2-1

Vika 2 W 1 L 5/3
Caro 2 W 1 L 5/4
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/3
Vera 0 W 3 L 2/6

Caro Win 2-0 Vika Win 2-0

Caro 2 W 1 L 6/2
Vika 2 W 1 L 5/2
Jelena 1 W 2 L 2/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Caro Win 2-1 Vika Win 2-0

Caro 2 W 1 L 6/3
Vika 2 W 1 L 5/2
Jelena 1 W 2 L 3/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Caro Win 2-1 Vika Win 2-1

Caro 2 W 1 L 6/3
Vika 2 W 1 L 5/3
Jelena 1 W 2 L 3/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 2/6

Jelena 2-0 Vera 2-0

Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/2
Caro 2 W 1 L 4/4
Vika 1 W 2 L 3/4
Vera 1 W 2 L 3/4

Jelena 2-1 Vera 2-0

Caro 2 W 1 L 5/4
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/3
Vika 1 W 2 L 3/4
Vera 1 W 2 L 3/4

Jelena 2-1 Vera 2-1

Caro 2 W 1 L 5/4
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/3
Vika 1 W 2 L 4/4
Vera 1 W 2 L 3/5

Scenarios That Jelena and Caro Goes Through Colour = Red
Scenarios That Jelena and Vika Goes Through Colour Blue
Sceenarios That Caro and Vika Goes Through Colour = Green

Ferg
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:35 PM
Good god, this group was bad enough when it was drawn but with this possible situation of JJ getting through by virtue of 2 walkovers is sickening. (or even a walkover and a win over a hobbled opponent.)

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:37 PM
Scenarios

Jelena Wins 2-0 Vika Wins 2-0

Vika 2 W 1 L 5/2
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/2
Caro 2 W 1 L 4/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Jelena Wins 2-0 Vika Wins 2-1

Vika 2 W 1 L 5/3
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/2
Caro 2 W 1 L 4/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Jelena Win 2-1 Vika 2-0

Vika 2 W 1 L 5/2
Caro 2 W 1 L 5/4
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/3
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Jelena Win 2-1 Vika 2-1

Vika 2 W 1 L 5/3
Caro 2 W 1 L 5/4
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/3
Vera 0 W 3 L 2/6

Caro Win 2-0 Vika Win 2-0

Caro 2 W 1 L 6/2
Vika 2 W 1 L 5/2
Jelena 1 W 2 L 2/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Caro Win 2-1 Vika Win 2-0

Caro 2 W 1 L 6/3
Vika 2 W 1 L 5/2
Jelena 1 W 2 L 3/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 1/6

Caro Win 2-1 Vika Win 2-1

Caro 2 W 1 L 6/3
Vika 2 W 1 L 5/3
Jelena 1 W 2 L 3/4
Vera 0 W 3 L 2/6

Jelena 2-0 Vera 2-0

Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/2
Caro 2 W 1 L 4/4
Vika 1 W 2 L 3/4
Vera 1 W 2 L 3/4

Jelena 2-1 Vera 2-0

Caro 2 W 1 L 5/4
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/3
Vika 1 W 2 L 3/4
Vera 1 W 2 L 3/4

Jelena 2-1 Vera 2-1

Caro 2 W 1 L 5/4
Jelena 2 W 1 L 4/3
Vika 1 W 2 L 4/4
Vera 1 W 2 L 3/5

Scenarios That Jelena and Caro Goes Through Colour = Red
Scenarios That Jelena and Vika Goes Through Colour Blue
Sceenarios That Caro and Vika Goes Through Colour = Green

if Caroline wins her match tomorow
Vika is in SF no matter what even if she loses to Zvonareva 06 06

then both Vika & JJ will have 1 win 2 loss
Vika bt Jankovic so will be ahead of her in H2H as the 3rd player Zvonareva is not counted as she'd only have played 2 matches.

Russianboy
Oct 29th, 2009, 05:41 PM
omg, im so sorry for sveta and venus. more for sveta, cuz she would have owned that white group. :o