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spiceboy
Aug 9th, 2009, 02:19 PM
* Round Robin format - 4 groups of 3 players


* Draw of 12 players (including 2 Wild Cards). The highest 10 ranked players as of the Monday before the Tournament, who have won an International Tournament singles event during the current Tour Yearand have not qualified for entry into the Sony Ericsson Championships singles draw will qualify for the event, along with 2 wildcards, nominated by the Tournament.

* Prize money of $600K. A player who wins 3 International tournaments and the Commonwealth Bank Tournament of Champions will receive the additional $1-million bonus on top of the prize money.

tennis fan475
Aug 9th, 2009, 03:04 PM
why not 3 groups of 4 players? it would be more comfortable i guess..

also, a bit lower prize money than i expected.

spiceboy
Aug 9th, 2009, 04:05 PM
why not 3 groups of 4 players?

Easiest way to get a semifinal draw I guess

iGOAT
Aug 10th, 2009, 12:32 AM
Low prize money :tape: what a pathetic tournament :p.

In The Zone
Aug 10th, 2009, 01:17 AM
why not 3 groups of 4 players? it would be more comfortable i guess..

also, a bit lower prize money than i expected.

How exactly would you get to a 4 player semifinal with 3 groups? :tape:

4 groups, winner of each group advances.

iGOAT
Aug 10th, 2009, 03:24 AM
How exactly would you get to a 4 player semifinal with 3 groups? :tape:

4 groups, winner of each group advances.
You would do a wildcard if it was three groups. IMO that would be more interesting.

In The Zone
Aug 10th, 2009, 06:18 AM
You would do a wildcard if it was three groups. IMO that would be more interesting.

That's legitimate draw fixing.

Joe.
Aug 10th, 2009, 11:38 AM
if they give wildcards to indonesian players then :help:

adner
Aug 10th, 2009, 09:12 PM
if they give wildcards to indonesian players then :help:
There should be no wildcards but an automatic entry for players who didnt qualify to Doha.

iGOAT
Aug 11th, 2009, 03:44 AM
That's legitimate draw fixing.
Not a wild wildcard, but like they do in baseball where the player who has the fourth best record gets to go, if you see what I mean. It would make it more interesting :shrug:.

Qalahari
Aug 11th, 2009, 10:11 PM
I think one WC will go to Patty Schnyder as she won Bali last year, I think she deserves it, because she cannot even defend her title otherwise.

Giving WC's to Indonesian Players is senseless: No indonesian player could win a match in any WTA Tour tournament, not even in qualifying!!!

spiceboy
Aug 14th, 2009, 12:26 AM
Not a wild wildcard, but like they do in baseball where the player who has the fourth best record gets to go, if you see what I mean. It would make it more interesting :shrug:.

They used to do that in Davis Cup also, winner would get authomatically into the final the following year :tape:

spiceboy
Aug 14th, 2009, 12:29 AM
Giving WC's to Indonesian Players is senseless: No indonesian player could win a match in any WTA Tour tournament, not even in qualifying!!!

That would make wonders to their rankings, though...every match played in Bali gives you 35 points (even losing it) :help:

Add 90 for every RR win
Add 170 for semifinal win
Add 190 for final win

frenchie
Aug 15th, 2009, 04:17 PM
strange strange!

Look at Radwanska, Ivanovic and other top 15 players who won't qualify for Doha but probably won't qualify for Bali as well as they haven't won an international event!!

On the contrary Lisicki and Dulgheru for exemple both won a Premier event but not an international event so they are not qualified yet even if they won a bigger event!

I'll be curious to see the 2 WC

number 9 and 10 at the Race??
Dulgheru and Lisicki??
Sharapova ??
Clijsters??
Schnyder the title holder??
Indonesian player??

matthias
Aug 15th, 2009, 08:02 PM
i guess this is a tournament noone needs

In The Zone
Aug 15th, 2009, 09:57 PM
If I were to guess, I'd say they would offer WCs to Sharapova and Mauresmo. Not sure if Maria would accept it.

If Clijsters wins Luxembourg, she may not need a WC -- she could qualify on her own. (Assuming she does well in Montreal and USO).

Drake1980
Aug 18th, 2009, 05:04 AM
I'm happy it's more than 8 players again but I would love to see the 16 player single elimination Draw back!

sakya23
Aug 21st, 2009, 10:36 PM
I think Doha should be the last tournamnet played. not this minnie mouse crap.

spiceboy
Aug 22nd, 2009, 04:14 AM
If Clijsters wins Luxembourg, she may not need a WC -- she could qualify on her own. (Assuming she does well in Montreal and USO).

Montreal and USO has nothing to do with entering here. Anyway, if Kim wins Luxembourg (even not doing it), if she wants to play here she will get a WC for sure...

spiceboy
Aug 22nd, 2009, 04:16 AM
If I were to guess, I'd say they would offer WCs to Sharapova and Mauresmo. Not sure if Maria would accept it.


Maria can't qualify for Doha and humiliates herself playing here? I don't think so :lol:

In The Zone
Aug 22nd, 2009, 02:35 PM
Montreal and USO has nothing to do with entering here. Anyway, if Kim wins Luxembourg (even not doing it), if she wants to play here she will get a WC for sure...

Kim still has to be one of the top 10 ranked women who won an international which is why she had to do well in Montreal and USO. ;) Kim would definitely get a WC but if she can earn a spot, go for it.

Maria can't qualify for Doha and humiliates herself playing here? I don't think so :lol:

It's not embarrassing given she only will have played half the year. With all the mandatories being included in the Race ranking, I don't think Doha was a goal for Maria in 2009.

iPatty
Aug 22nd, 2009, 04:30 PM
I'd say it's a 75% chance Schnyder gets a wild card here if she can't win an International tournament by the end of the season. She's always been a solid backer of this tournament and won it last year.

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 2nd, 2009, 11:41 PM
there's even a prelim list for this
and Lexy is on it :spit: :haha:
27 names on it and 16 are outside top 200 :tape:

frenchie
Sep 3rd, 2009, 09:02 PM
lol

Lexy is execting a wc

Wiggly
Sep 7th, 2009, 06:51 PM
The WC should go to players who supported the International Series.

spiceboy
Sep 8th, 2009, 07:12 PM
The WC should go to players who supported the International Series.

Yeah, but if a player like Cljisters asks for a WC, would you say no if you were the tournament director?

In case you'd say no, you should be fired :p

Drake1980
Sep 9th, 2009, 05:22 AM
I'm happy it's more than 8 players again but I would love to see the 16 player single elimination Draw back!

oops wrong Tournament. :p
What's up with this Tournament anyway?

Tully
Sep 9th, 2009, 12:51 PM
There was a Belgian article a week or so ago saying Kim had been offerred a wild card for this. But there were no quotes so not sure how legit it is. She'd be a big drawcard for the event in any case.

In The Zone
Sep 10th, 2009, 04:52 AM
There was a Belgian article a week or so ago saying Kim had been offerred a wild card for this. But there were no quotes so not sure how legit it is. She'd be a big drawcard for the event in any case.

Kim can still legitimately qualify for Doha so she should wait and see first! :lol:

In The Zone
Sep 10th, 2009, 07:51 AM
Also, if Kim wins Luxembourg (which she should), she'll qualify into Bali with her own ranking. She won't need the WC.

Imagine Mauresmo, Sharapova, and Clijsters all here. :eek:

Rui.
Sep 10th, 2009, 08:17 AM
I suppose Wickmayer is almost certainly qualified since she won Estoril and is near the top 20...

Spinach
Sep 10th, 2009, 01:34 PM
I guess so to.
I an belgian article about wickmayer, they were telling that she definly will go to Bali, as on next monday she will be one of the highest ranked players to earn her spot in Bali. (except for Azarenka, Penneta, Wozniacki, and Bartoli, but probarly a couple of these will qualify for the Masters)

spiceboy
Sep 11th, 2009, 02:57 PM
So far, these will be the players ellegible to play Bali as winners of International Series tournaments:

Dinara Safina (Doha)
Venus Williams (Doha)
Elena Dementieva (Doha)
Caroline Wozniacki (Doha)
Victoria Azarenka (Doha)
Vera Zvonareva (Doha)

1. Jelena Jankovic
2. Flavia Pennetta*
3. Marion Bartoli
4. Yanina Wickmayer
5. Anabel Medina Garrigues
6. María José Martínez Sánchez
7. Agnes Szavay
8. Aravane Rezai
9. Vera Dushevina
10. Sybille Bammer

+ 2 WC

Next in:
··· Rybarikova
··· Kvitova
··· Vinci*
··· Petkovic

* Pennetta and Vinci will probably withdraw from here as Fed Cup final is going on at the same time. Nice timing by WTA/ITF :weirdo:

**Still lots of players can get to Bali. Zheng, Peng or Kleybanova can win Guangzhou, Petrova or Wozniak win Quebec, Stosur win Seoul or Osaka, same as Bartoli (in Osaka)...

Paris75
Sep 11th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Aravane !! :banana: Hope she remains in the list !!:D

adner
Sep 11th, 2009, 08:01 PM
Please make the field interesting and win Linz, Aggy! :*

janko
Sep 11th, 2009, 09:58 PM
If the 9th and 10th from the Race are allowed to play in Bali (for example Bartoli and Jankovic) what about the alternates for the YEC???

I really like the concept of this tournament ;) Just stupid to put it the same week as FC finals...

KournikovaFan91
Sep 13th, 2009, 12:54 AM
I like this, why are the haters bashing this already.

God forbid lower ranked players can get oppourtunites to win something. :rolleyes:

Zamboni
Sep 16th, 2009, 11:39 AM
* Pennetta and Vinci will probably withdraw from here as Fed Cup final is going on at the same time. Nice timing by WTA/ITF :weirdo:
Skip the probably. Flavia has already said even the beaches in Bali can't make her skip the FC final:lol:
FIT is trying to get a compensation for the points (&money) Flavia/Roby will miss thanx to this stupid scheduling - gonna be interesting.


I also heard that at least 1 wild card is supposed to go to a player who did well in the International Tournaments but didn't win a title (Errani was mentioned, lmao, how big do they wanna make this mess?), but I don't know if that's true.


And I wonder what will happen to the players who qualify for Doha as reserve? Right now that's Jankovic and Pennetta. Could Jelena be in both tournaments then? Will she be forced to skip one of them?

KournikovaFan91
Sep 19th, 2009, 03:40 AM
I don't think Fed Cup final should be the end of the year tbh.

Also I believe this should be before the Tour Finals.

Errani wouldn't get that WC, Li Na made 2 Inter. Finals I assume she would get it. Or possibly Gisela Dulko who has made quarters or better of several Inter. events.

Meelis
Sep 19th, 2009, 04:14 AM
If the 9th and 10th from the Race are allowed to play in Bali (for example Bartoli and Jankovic) what about the alternates for the YEC???
.

And I wonder what will happen to the players who qualify for Doha as reserve? Right now that's Jankovic and Pennetta. Could Jelena be in both tournaments then? Will she be forced to skip one of them?

Doha alternates can play here, even if they play some matches there. It is not mandatory for them to play here though (just like for the players competing in the Fed Cup Final). For the rest, participation is mandatory.

odedwo
Sep 28th, 2009, 01:40 PM
first of all, after 2 titles and 34 rank, israeli peer is in 99%.
this will make a diplomatic problem like it was at dubai, so we need to see what the future holds.
second, one of the WC can go to kimiko data krumm, after winning korea open

sakya23
Sep 29th, 2009, 01:39 AM
I don't like how this is the last tournament of the year. It would make more sense to have
Moscow
Bali
Doha

shirgan
Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:41 AM
first of all, after 2 titles and 34 rank, israeli peer is in 99%.
this will make a diplomatic problem like it was at dubai, so we need to see what the future holds.
second, one of the WC can go to kimiko data krumm, after winning korea open
why start announcing dimplomatic problems before they even exist?
let's just wait and see. All indications so far are that the tournament is treating her like any other player.
Why are you trying to invent drama?

iGOAT
Oct 3rd, 2009, 01:42 PM
first of all, after 2 titles and 34 rank, israeli peer is in 99%.
this will make a diplomatic problem like it was at dubai, so we need to see what the future holds.
second, one of the WC can go to kimiko data krumm, after winning korea open
Fail. She's already played in Doha and it went just fine.

KournikovaFan91
Oct 4th, 2009, 06:20 PM
Peer can't qualify for Doha and I didn't know there was an issue in Indonesia.

Qalahari
Oct 4th, 2009, 07:26 PM
I'd say it's a 75% chance Schnyder gets a wild card here if she can't win an International tournament by the end of the season. She's always been a solid backer of this tournament and won it last year.

That would be toooo nice:D!!!

Ferg
Oct 5th, 2009, 08:41 PM
That would make wonders to their rankings, though...every match played in Bali gives you 35 points (even losing it) :help:

Add 90 for every RR win
Add 170 for semifinal win
Add 190 for final win

So if a player wins all their matches they could potentially get 745 points?

The Kaz
Oct 6th, 2009, 04:55 AM
Peer can't qualify for Doha and I didn't know there was an issue in Indonesia.

Indonesia is a muslim state ;)

Btw a few years back Israel forfeited a fed cup tie as it was going to be held in Indonesia and the Indonesian refused to play the tie on neutral ground.

Caipirinha Guy
Oct 6th, 2009, 09:55 AM
There's hinduism on Bali!

Derevko
Oct 6th, 2009, 08:13 PM
So if a player wins all their matches they could potentially get 745 points?

They should give points to Pennetta if she didn't play Doha, because she can't win those points :sad:

The Kaz
Oct 7th, 2009, 09:34 AM
There's hinduism on Bali!

That means nothing since Bali is part of Indonesia and abides by all of its laws and Indonesia has a majority of muslims (86.1%).

Fail.

Wedgie619
Oct 9th, 2009, 12:08 AM
So if a player wins all their matches they could potentially get 745 points?

No... As there are three players in each group, each player only play 2 RR match...

2 RR wins = 250
SF win = 170
Final win = 190

Possible total = 610

leviathane
Oct 10th, 2009, 03:52 PM
That would make wonders to their rankings, though...every match played in Bali gives you 35 points (even losing it) :help:

Add 90 for every RR win
Add 170 for semifinal win
Add 190 for final win


very attractive !
Good for Marion :)

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 12th, 2009, 04:50 PM
 PRIZE MONEY: $600,000 (see chart below). A player who wins 3 International tournaments and the
Commonwealth Bank Tournament of Champions will receive the additional $1-million bonus on top of
the prize money.

ROUND PRIZE MONEY
Winner $200,000*
Finalist $100,000*
Semifinalist $50,000*
Round Robin -1 win $32,500
Round Robin – no win $15,000
Alternate $10,000

*Prize money, if undefeated
 RANKING POINTS: see charts below
Points Summary
Points
Participation for each Round Robin Match 35
+ Points for Round Robin win 90
+ Points for Semifinal Win 170
+ Points for Winner 180

Points Breakdown
Matches
Played Wins Losses 2009
Winner 600*
Finalist 420*
Semi finalists 250*
Round Robin 2 2 0 250
Round Robin 2 1 1 160
Round Robin 2 0 2 70
Round Robin 1 1 0 125
Round Robin 1 0 1 35
* It undefeated, 70 points for participation, plus 90 points for each round robin
win, plus 170 points for semi-final win, plus 180 points for final win.

Caipirinha Guy
Oct 12th, 2009, 08:58 PM
That means nothing since Bali is part of Indonesia and abides by all of its laws and Indonesia has a majority of muslims (86.1%).

Fail.

Tzipi Obziler already played a tournament in Indonesia. :shrug: So fail for you... :sobbing:

DokDi
Oct 18th, 2009, 11:37 AM
there's even a prelim list for this
and Lexy is on it :spit: :haha:
27 names on it and 16 are outside top 200 :tape:

Has Dokic entered the prelim list?

Thanks TBE;)

In The Zone
Oct 18th, 2009, 11:46 PM
Dokic can't enter here. :lol: Only if you have won an international event in 2009. She can be given a WC (no way) and she wouldn't need to be on a list to obtain the WC anyway.

Adrian.
Oct 19th, 2009, 01:35 PM
Who is on this list?:hehehe:
Someone notable besides Sexy?
And for what is this list?:rolleyes:

Ferg
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:31 PM
Does anybody know how the groups will be sorted? Like will they be ranked on order of qualification, race rank, WTA rank or randomly?

Meelis
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:38 PM
Does anybody know how the groups will be sorted? Like will they be ranked on order of qualification, race rank, WTA rank or randomly?

Seedings will be based on the WTA Tour Rankings.

Ferg
Oct 24th, 2009, 05:47 PM
Good! We wont have Marion and Sammy in the same group then.

andre_janis
Oct 26th, 2009, 03:43 PM
I hope Vera Zvonareva will play in Bali. There's no reason to reject a direct entry for the top seed. She will earn a lot of points, which is good for her year-end ranking and Australian Open drawing.

Daszmarelli
Oct 26th, 2009, 10:00 PM
Bepa already said that she is going to Doha, so she can't play Bali.


"I'll be going to Doha as an alternate but it will be hard to practice too much. If I end up playing a match I will try my best, but once this is all done, my season is finished and my off-season begins. I want to put everything behind me. I've been told I need to take six weeks off to let this heal, once and for all."

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/blog/veras-blog-20091022_2257191_1831309