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Kworb
May 29th, 2009, 01:29 PM
Q. Sorry to mention the shouts again. In the press conference, Michelle said that you were the first player toever complain about her shouts. And she said maybe that was a tactic on your part. What would you like to answer?

ARAVANE REZAI: Well, of course, maybe that's her weapon. That's the way she reacts. That's the way she plays. However, I reacted that way, because it was bothering me. Maybe in the next few matches that she plays, the other players are going to complain, as well. So maybe I just started it, and then her next opponents will continue complaining.

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Aravane has stepped up and is saying, no more. Do you think other players will support her quest to silence Michelle?

Kipling
May 29th, 2009, 01:31 PM
Glue a cork in her puss.

volta
May 29th, 2009, 01:31 PM
i really hope so but i doubt

alfonsojose
May 29th, 2009, 01:33 PM
It's disgusting. She should be stopped.

aguy9797
May 29th, 2009, 01:33 PM
i was actually fond of MDB until I saw (HEARD!!!) her playing last summer. The most annoying experience ever...she either shuts up or PLEASE ESCORT HER AWAY!!

homogenius
May 29th, 2009, 01:33 PM
Aravane was all class in the post-match interview and she still isn't too harsh on MLDB imo.She clearly is implying that it's part of a strategy tho (and she's right).Hope some others will ask for this to stop as well.

PS : lol at the first sentence.So Michelle said that Aravane's complaint was "tactical" ? Can the girl be even more retarded :weirdo:

mckyle.
May 29th, 2009, 01:34 PM
All of this is only going on because Michelle is extremely young and already stepping it up in the pro game. The veterans just don't like someone new :shrug:

Sharapova had to go through the exact same thing. But now she's a veteran, and people had to accept the fact that she's here to stay, and won't shut up just for them.

It's only the players who are threatening that get treated like this. Schiavone never gets called out, and her grunt may be even worse because she does it WAYYY after she hits the ball. You know why she doesn't get in trouble? Because she's not a threat :)

volta
May 29th, 2009, 01:37 PM
i only see a pissed Maria or Serena doing it :lol: 2 bad Capriati is not around anymore :sad:

Boomguy
May 29th, 2009, 01:40 PM
Nah Michelles grunts are the loudest. I know people have complained about Sharapova. Has anyone complainted about Azarenkas yet?

Nalla
May 29th, 2009, 01:42 PM
Aravane has stepped up and is saying, no more. Do you think other players will support her quest to silence Michelle?
What other players??
Sharapova, Venus, Serena, Dementieva.. :lol:
I mean.. yes, it is annoying but.. she's not the first.. it's just a different kind of scream :lol: . I remember when i first heard Monica Seles . Omg.. :eek::eek:

Edinboro
May 29th, 2009, 01:43 PM
Im not a student of the body but screaming like that can not be good on the vocal cords.

doujyr
May 29th, 2009, 01:53 PM
This is one of those dodgy "where do you draw the line?" discussions, and everyone will have a different view of where that line is. The sport needs to take a longer term view, start with the kids, and tell coaches that this sort of screaming is not acceptable. It may be too late to do anything about existing players, but they will eventually fade away.

volta
May 29th, 2009, 01:54 PM
This is one of those dodgy "where do you draw the line?" discussions, and everyone will have a different view of where that line is. The sport needs to take a longer term view, start with the kids, and tell coaches that this sort of screaming is not acceptable. It may be too late to do anything about existing players, but they will eventually fade away.

on Michelle

Temperenka
May 29th, 2009, 01:55 PM
Quite honestly, she would have more supporters if she could tone it down. :lol:

Volcana
May 29th, 2009, 01:58 PM
There are such things as decibel-meters. Pick a number, tell the players if they yell louder than that, they'll lose a point, and have done with it.

doujyr
May 29th, 2009, 02:03 PM
I don't think it's just the volume, though that's pretty bad, but how long it goes on. She's still screaming as her oppo hits her shot. That can't be right.

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 02:03 PM
In Aravane's interview:

Q. Could you please tell us exactly what you told the umpire?

ARAVANE REZAI: I said, She's shouting too loud. There's a limit. You can't really shout that way.

She said, Sharapova has never been told that she was shouting too loud. AndI said, No, I have told her in a previous match. But it did bother me, although it's not the important thing today. The important thing is that I won the match. I'm very happy.

That was just a tactic. She was trying to impress me with her shouts,and I managed to win the match all the same. Yes, it did bother me, but the most important is that I won the match.

scoobsuk
May 29th, 2009, 02:07 PM
The grunters have never in the past particularly bothered me.

Not Seles, about whom all the fuss was made at Wimbledon in 92.

Not the Williams, not Azarenka, not Sharapova.

Not exactly great on the ears but it doesn't bother me really.

But this one? My GOD. it's ear-splitting. It goes right through you. It sounds like she's being chased by an axe murderer.

Enough. If that's considered acceptable then what comes next? Someone even louder, even shriller, even more brain-cracking.

Time for a rule on decibel levels, I think - get too loud too many times, get warning, point penalty, default.

I do NOT believe you need to make that mind-breaking caterwaul to hit a tennis ball. It's an affectation that's become a habit. It can be broken, and if it can't tough. Who in the HELL wants to sit and listen to that for 2 hours? I'd rather slam a car door on my fingers. I'd make much the same sort of noise.

fnuf7
May 29th, 2009, 02:25 PM
Supposedly she doesn't do it in practice so I don't see why she needs to do in matches.

Destiny
May 29th, 2009, 02:30 PM
I was laughing so much i nearly choked

This is my first really exeperince with the lovely screams it's so funny :lol:

Leo_DFP
May 29th, 2009, 02:36 PM
All of this is only going on because Michelle is extremely young and already stepping it up in the pro game. The veterans just don't like someone new :shrug:

Sharapova had to go through the exact same thing. But now she's a veteran, and people had to accept the fact that she's here to stay, and won't shut up just for them.

It's only the players who are threatening that get treated like this. Schiavone never gets called out, and her grunt may be even worse because she does it WAYYY after she hits the ball. You know why she doesn't get in trouble? Because she's not a threat :)

I'm sorry but this is bull****. Rezai complained because she was in the middle of the match against De Brito, and the shrieking/yelping/screaming was having her lose her concentration. It didn't matter to her if De Brito is a "young future prospect" or not; she just wanted the match to be fair and she didn't want to lose because of the dumb girl's freaking out. I actually don't believe that Rezai is De Brito's first opponent to complain.

Leo_DFP
May 29th, 2009, 02:38 PM
The grunters have never in the past particularly bothered me.

Not Seles, about whom all the fuss was made at Wimbledon in 92.

Not the Williams, not Azarenka, not Sharapova.

Not exactly great on the ears but it doesn't bother me really.

But this one? My GOD. it's ear-splitting. It goes right through you. It sounds like she's being chased by an axe murderer.

Enough. If that's considered acceptable then what comes next? Someone even louder, even shriller, even more brain-cracking.

Time for a rule on decibel levels, I think - get too loud too many times, get warning, point penalty, default.

I do NOT believe you need to make that mind-breaking caterwaul to hit a tennis ball. It's an affectation that's become a habit. It can be broken, and if it can't tough. Who in the HELL wants to sit and listen to that for 2 hours? I'd rather slam a car door on my fingers. I'd make much the same sort of noise.

I agree 100%. And I just don't see how that form of grunting can help someone's tennis. It's definitely not a way of exhaling as you hit the ball - it's a waste of breath and energy!

Monaco 84
May 29th, 2009, 02:40 PM
This girl needs some help.
Today I watched her for the first time and...I'm still in shock. Not only SCREAMING, also loud "COME ON"s after every point she won in the first set and even celebrating on Rezai's unforced errors.
Crazy stuff. :weirdo:

I'm happy for Rezai and was praying for her to win the tiebreaker and a match, thank god she was able to do it. Handshake from de Brito on the end was "classy" too. And actualy Rezai is the one who could refuse to shake hands.

I sincerely hope someone shuts her down, because she can play very well and we will see more of her in the future (top 20 player, imo).
If she is really totaly quiet during the practice then I can't say anything else than this is just sick, unfair, manipulating and shameless what she is doing out there...

ElusiveChanteuse
May 29th, 2009, 02:45 PM
The way to silence her is to beat them convincingly.:lol: :worship:

hawkeye08
May 29th, 2009, 02:47 PM
This is bizarre! Seles went thru this, then williams sisters, then sharapova, now MLDB! Is it annoying perhaps, but its her style of play, let her do it. I liked how Michelle right away threw a fit with the umpire and rezai about this, right away she said no, and at that young age this is not callled being a brat, but rather smart, and confident. Her grunt is the loudest perhaps I have ever heard, but in no case should be asked to stop or should stop her self, because we all now when seles stopped grunting in the wimbledon final when everyone complained, what happened. I would love for Maria and Williams sisters to step up and defend Michelle now, bc others will definitly coninue to bash her about this.

MLDB. keep screaming, we will all be watching when you win grand slams in the future. Everyone will forget about the grunt, but they will not forget your tennis

Shvedbarilescu
May 29th, 2009, 02:50 PM
The grunters have never in the past particularly bothered me.

Not Seles, about whom all the fuss was made at Wimbledon in 92.

Not the Williams, not Azarenka, not Sharapova.

Not exactly great on the ears but it doesn't bother me really.

But this one? My GOD. it's ear-splitting. It goes right through you. It sounds like she's being chased by an axe murderer.

Enough. If that's considered acceptable then what comes next? Someone even louder, even shriller, even more brain-cracking.

Time for a rule on decibel levels, I think - get too loud too many times, get warning, point penalty, default.

I do NOT believe you need to make that mind-breaking caterwaul to hit a tennis ball. It's an affectation that's become a habit. It can be broken, and if it can't tough. Who in the HELL wants to sit and listen to that for 2 hours? I'd rather slam a car door on my fingers. I'd make much the same sort of noise.

Same. I can't say I like the grunting of say Sharapova but it is nothing compared to this. This is like aiming ultra high frequency pitches at a persons ears. Truely it's noise warfare. Larcher De Brito should come with a health warning. She is a threat to give opponents, linespeople, ballpeople and audience severe cases of tinnitus.

Langers
May 29th, 2009, 02:54 PM
Is she really that loud? I've never seen her play.

Temporary0369
May 29th, 2009, 02:55 PM
It's funny I was just watching today's match thinking, wow, she isn't shrieking nearly as loudly as in the past. Then I see this thread...

Yes her grunt is annoying but at least it stops when the ball is over the net, it's not two fold like others. It's annoying but at least it does not sound like she is shouting OUT after every single ball like Garbin. It's annoying but it's not nearly as loud as Maria V Venus. She's also consistent with it, unlike others who will stop shrieking mid point and then pick it up again. Dementieva's shriek changes mid rally which is a distraction to players, you can see examples of this at Wimbledon last year. Yes it's a tactic but it's one used by many, deal with it please.

ElusiveChanteuse
May 29th, 2009, 02:57 PM
Is she really that loud? I've never seen her play.

Not that loud, similar to Maria's but it's high pitched.:scratch:

Dav.
May 29th, 2009, 02:59 PM
I don't like it either but some of you should watch some highlights of Maria from Wimbledon 2003, particularly the match vs. Ashley if it's still on YouTube.

MechWarrior2k
May 29th, 2009, 02:59 PM
Is she really that loud? I've never seen her play.

Here's your chance to judge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mp6QkP2BUg&feature=related

Albireo
May 29th, 2009, 03:01 PM
Same. I can't say I like the grunting of say Sharapova but it is nothing compared to this. This is like aiming ultra high frequency pitches at a persons ears. Truely it's noise warfare. Larcher De Brito should come with a health warning. She is a threat to give opponents, linespeople, ballpeople and audience severe cases of tinnitus.

Think of the marketing opportunity for the WTA:

"WTA™ earplugs, $5 a pair! Don't enter the grounds without 'em!"

Monica_Rules
May 29th, 2009, 03:02 PM
There is a blatant difference between a grunt and a scream. Maria god love did change the way grunting went, Azarenka kind of does the same but jeez Michelle just screams when she hits the ball, its not even a grunt.

Shvedbarilescu
May 29th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Think of the marketing opportunity for the WTA:

"WTA™ earplugs, $5 a pair! Don't enter the grounds without 'em!"

:haha:

Sally Todd
May 29th, 2009, 03:09 PM
Here's your chance to judge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mp6QkP2BUg&feature=related

:lol: Wow. I'd been wondering for a while. Can't wait to hear -- I mean see -- the Rezai match. Though I wouldn't want to if Rezai had lost and not said anything.

It's still too early in the morning where I am for me to figure out the right metaphor or simile for that sound.

Viva Aravane for calling BS though. She should make Larcher de Brito travel by van from Wimbledon to the US Open series.

wally1
May 29th, 2009, 03:10 PM
The grunters have never in the past particularly bothered me.

Not Seles, about whom all the fuss was made at Wimbledon in 92.

Not the Williams, not Azarenka, not Sharapova.

Not exactly great on the ears but it doesn't bother me really.

But this one? My GOD. it's ear-splitting. It goes right through you. It sounds like she's being chased by an axe murderer.

Enough. If that's considered acceptable then what comes next? Someone even louder, even shriller, even more brain-cracking.

Time for a rule on decibel levels, I think - get too loud too many times, get warning, point penalty, default.

I do NOT believe you need to make that mind-breaking caterwaul to hit a tennis ball. It's an affectation that's become a habit. It can be broken, and if it can't tough. Who in the HELL wants to sit and listen to that for 2 hours? I'd rather slam a car door on my fingers. I'd make much the same sort of noise.Totally agree with this. I started watching her match against Mel South in the first round and had to leave, the noise was just unbearable.

tennisIlove09
May 29th, 2009, 03:13 PM
Here's your chance to judge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mp6QkP2BUg&feature=related

She doesnt sound that much louder than Sharapova :shrug: It's just maybe more prolonged.

hammerhead
May 29th, 2009, 03:18 PM
But this one? My GOD. it's ear-splitting. It goes right through you. It sounds like she's being chased by an axe murderer.

Who in the HELL wants to sit and listen to that for 2 hours? I'd rather slam a car door on my fingers. I'd make much the same sort of noise.

:haha::haha::haha:

hammerhead
May 29th, 2009, 03:20 PM
And this girl wants a Wimby wildcard? The "shhhhhhh" Brits surely will not stand for such shrieking on the hallowed grounds of Wimbledon!

TennisViewer531
May 29th, 2009, 03:23 PM
She's still young. who knows her voice will change when she gets older... like a grunt or something..

Kipling
May 29th, 2009, 03:23 PM
Yeah, I can't wait to see how Fleet Street reacts to her.

Polikarpov
May 29th, 2009, 03:23 PM
Not that loud, similar to Maria's but it's high pitched.:scratch:

And lasts five seconds! :lol:

M-K
May 29th, 2009, 03:30 PM
I dont know. It doesnt really bother me when watching. I mean you get used to it. And you can always turn the volume down. ;) You can say what you want about her, but I like her attitude. I would much rather watch someone like her, than someone who was being completely silent and not look that into the match or focused.

The thing I really dont get is if the player doesnt grunts while practising or in the warm up..... It just seems so weird.

Monica_Rules
May 29th, 2009, 03:32 PM
The press here in the UK will go to town on Michelle if she plays MD wimbledon. Its not going to be pretty thats for sure.

germex
May 29th, 2009, 03:33 PM
Loudest Burrito ever.

She is young, I think that she will learn than shouting that loud and that long wont help her; also and probably more important she will learn to be a little bit more calm, dont get mad at herself or the umpire or anything when she loses a point.

But again she is very young, and now inside the top 100, a prospect like that sure is welcomed on the tour (Although she really screams like a dog being kicked). :eek:

serenus_2k8
May 29th, 2009, 03:35 PM
Nope, it wont, its gonna be a total mess. Especially if she takes down a Brit. The Wimbledon crowd are very classy, and I feel theyre too classy to attack a 16 year old, but if the roof is on I think theyre gonna lose it :lol:

barboza
May 29th, 2009, 03:50 PM
Wow this girl is so immature.. she stuck out her tongue after Rezai won a point to go up 3-1 in the second set.

Plus her screams :help::help::help: Was there a vulture in Philippe Chatrier???

http://militantplatypus.com/download/blogimages/fangtasticalSM.jpg

Langers
May 29th, 2009, 04:05 PM
OK just saw a bit of her match, that’s pretty disgraceful.

It carried on for an eternity and it’s a scream not a grunt.

améliemomo
May 29th, 2009, 04:14 PM
if it was just the shrieks but its a whole disgusting attitude. Screaming Vamos,Come one Come on on her opponent ues not forget fist pumping on EVERY POINT.
Come on the girl needs some serious slap:rolleyes:

serenus_2k8
May 29th, 2009, 04:19 PM
Yeh she was sure animated. Rezai says in her post-match interview that she thought it was just a tactic ( I think, its in French :p) and generally speaks about her disgust.

MatchpointPRT
May 29th, 2009, 04:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gs6WTJExYg

Maybe seeing this video all can remember that Michelle is not the only doing a lot of noise...

starin
May 29th, 2009, 04:26 PM
I hope MLDB shrieks even louder.
I hope she shrieks when she drop shots, in fact I hope she starts shrieking every time she takes a step.
:worship: MLDB so many haters already. what an accomplishment!!

KournikovaFan91
May 29th, 2009, 04:26 PM
Michelle is becoming such an annoying teenager, I completly agree with Rezai more of the quiet players should complain.

Kipling
May 29th, 2009, 04:28 PM
I hope MLDB shrieks even louder.
I hope she shrieks when she drop shots, in fact I hope she starts shrieking every time she takes a step.
:worship: MLDB so many haters already. what an accomplishment!!


LOL--I hope you buy a ticket for the first row wherever she plays so you can enjoy her!

MatchpointPRT
May 29th, 2009, 04:29 PM
if it was just the shrieks but its a whole disgusting attitude. Screaming Vamos,Come one Come on on her opponent ues not forget fist pumping on EVERY POINT.
Come on the girl needs some serious slap:rolleyes:

Rezai also was saying "allez" on Michelleīs unf errors and returning the ball with all her power to Michelleīs side every time Michelle was missing a 1st serve or doing double fault... thatīs really nice.:rolleyes:
Serena was jumping and screaming in the match against Zakopalova on her opponent errors but i donīt see people talking about that...

Kipling
May 29th, 2009, 04:33 PM
Wow this girl is so immature.. she stuck out her tongue after Rezai won a point to go up 3-1 in the second set.

Plus her screams :help::help::help: Was there a vulture in Philippe Chatrier???

http://militantplatypus.com/download/blogimages/fangtasticalSM.jpg

That's a very good photo of her.

lenc
May 29th, 2009, 04:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gs6WTJExYg

Maybe seeing this video all can remember that Michelle is not the only doing a lot of noise...

She certainly isn't the only one shreaking. And I HATE THEM ALL!!!!

Happy now?

Princeza
May 29th, 2009, 04:37 PM
Why would anyone want to silence such a pretty music? :inlove:

Kipling
May 29th, 2009, 04:38 PM
Rezai also was saying "allez" on Michelleīs unf errors and returning the ball with all her power to Michelleīs side every time Michelle was missing a 1st serve or doing double fault... thatīs really nice.:rolleyes:
Serena was jumping and screaming in the match against Zakopalova on her opponent errors but i donīt see people talking about that...

Saying 'allez' or 'cmon' and pumping a fist is commonplace. Were that the extent of what de Brito did it wouldn't be an issue. Screaming like a banshee because you won a point for 15-0 is not commonplace. She acted like she had won the Grand Slam after virtually EVERY point she won. That is ridiculous.

améliemomo
May 29th, 2009, 04:39 PM
Rezai also was saying "allez" on Michelleīs unf errors and returning the ball with all her power to Michelleīs side every time Michelle was missing a 1st serve or doing double fault... thatīs really nice.:rolleyes:
Serena was jumping and screaming in the match against Zakopalova on her opponent errors but i donīt see people talking about that...

aravane has nothing to prove and always well behaved in all the matchs she has played since she started on pro tour.
Whereas de brito appear to me as a very arrogant and non sportmanship girl I ever seen in my life. Ok there was Mac Enroe but at least the guy had this "talent" to be funny.
When I saw her today with her ridiculous behaviour I cant help than screaming ALLEZ! myself against her cause she has the "talent" to annoy people VERY VERY MUCH. I think she shows a very bad image to the women tennis and it has nothing to be with sharapova or other williams stories or other blabla
They are BIG CHAMPIONS who grunt but De Brito is by far the most annoying imo.Sorry but thats the truth.

Edinboro
May 29th, 2009, 04:47 PM
Wow this girl is so immature.. she stuck out her tongue after Rezai won a point to go up 3-1 in the second set.
Plus her screams :help::help::help: Was there a vulture in Philippe Chatrier???

http://militantplatypus.com/download/blogimages/fangtasticalSM.jpg

:lol::lol:

MatchpointPRT
May 29th, 2009, 04:59 PM
Saying 'allez' or 'cmon' and pumping a fist is commonplace. Were that the extent of what de Brito did it wouldn't be an issue. Screaming like a banshee because you won a point for 15-0 is not commonplace. She acted like she had won the Grand Slam after virtually EVERY point she won. That is ridiculous.


Ahh. Rezai was saying "allez" and pumping her fist just in important points? I saw the match and it wasnīt the case. Michelle showed a great attitude, determination and fought hard playing impressive tennis in some moments and she had reasons to celebrate. She wasnīt winning a grand slam, but this is her first grand slam main draw...We can really see sheīs totally focused, thinking just about playing well and not anything else like "grunt tactics" as Rezai said. I see lots of players grunting and not doing anything special, not even attempting to play good shots, but here is different she really fights and gives her all to play each shot. Ridiculous is the hate that people are showing, condemning her attitude, and next calling her things like "bitch" and other things, showing no education and trying to give all the importance to her grunts and never talking about her very good game for a 16 yo.

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 05:02 PM
Ahh. Rezai was saying "allez" and pumping her fist just in important points? I saw the match and it wasnīt the case. Michelle showed a great attitude, determination and fought hard playing impressive tennis in some moments and she had reasons to celebrate. She wasnīt winning a grand slam, but this is her first grand slam main draw...We can really see sheīs totally focused, thinking just about playing well and not anything else like "grunt tactics" as Rezai said. I see lots of players grunting and not doing anything special, not even attempting to play good shots, but here is different she really fights and gives her all to play each shot. Ridiculous is the hate that people are showing, condemning her attitude, and next calling her things like "bitch" and other things, showing no education and trying to give all the importance to her grunts and never talking about her very good game for a 16 yo.

So every time someone makes a GS Main Draw debut, we should expect them to scream like a banshee? :tape: The point is not that she screams. The point is that she screams WAY TOO LOUDLY.

frenchie
May 29th, 2009, 05:02 PM
Someone with some common sense in her team has to tell her to stop this shit!

I think she'll get booed more oftenat the FO in the years to come

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 05:04 PM
Someone with some common sense in her team has to tell her to stop this shit!

I think she'll get booed more oftenat the FO in the years to come

She'll get booed anywhere, not just at the FO.

Uranus
May 29th, 2009, 05:08 PM
I hope she stops or doesn't shout as loud as she grows up. Michelle is really immature.

Serenita
May 29th, 2009, 05:11 PM
^^ is she really immature...oops i forgot she's 17 years old.

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 05:13 PM
^^ is she really immature...oops i forgot she's 17 years old.

16, not 17. She was born in early 1993.

Marcelo.
May 29th, 2009, 05:13 PM
^^ She's 16 years old :) ;)

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 05:14 PM
^^ She's 16 years old :) ;)

I was faster than you :nerner:

Kipling
May 29th, 2009, 05:17 PM
So every time someone makes a GS Main Draw debut, we should expect them to scream like a banshee? :tape: The point is not that she screams. The point is that she screams WAY TOO LOUDLY.

And it goes on far too long. It is completely premeditated, tactical, and ridiculous. It isn't mere natural excitement. She's doing it with the design of intimidating her opponents. That is what is so offensive.

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 05:20 PM
And it goes on far too long. It is completely premeditated, tactical, and ridiculous. It isn't mere natural excitement. She's doing it with the design of intimidating her opponents. That is what is so offensive.

:worship: Exactly. I can understand a grunt/scream/yell of hell, whatever, when you're hitting the ball but when you're still squealing when the opponent is hitting the ball that is a HUGE problem.

justine schnyder
May 29th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Vamos Aravane..
I hope MLDB will shut it, however, It seems to be unlikely :o

MatchpointPRT
May 29th, 2009, 05:21 PM
So every time someone makes a GS Main Draw debut, we should expect them to scream like a banshee? :tape: The point is not that she screams. The point is that she screams WAY TOO LOUDLY.

I donīt think she screams louder than what i already saw from Sharapova and others... i saw the match and recorded the match and yes she screams but nothing really out of this world to me...

MatchpointPRT
May 29th, 2009, 05:26 PM
:worship: Exactly. I can understand a grunt/scream/yell of hell, whatever, when you're hitting the ball but when you're still squealing when the opponent is hitting the ball that is a HUGE problem.

That isnīt true, itīs not a short grunt but when her opponent hits the ball i never hear Michelle doing any noise... itīs ridiculous how the haters really exagerate.
Unfortunately for the rhem they will have to hear her in the future and even worse the haters will have to watch her beating their favourites. Thatīs really the problem i know, Michelle said she just focus on her game and doesnīt care if people are talking about her or not. So stop spreading venom. It wonīt affect her in future...

woosey
May 29th, 2009, 05:29 PM
women can be so petty.

Dandy_Warhol
May 29th, 2009, 05:33 PM
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e219/spotless_rougedirector/random%20stuffs/homealone-scream.gif
Macaulay is NOT impressed at this copycat :fiery:


seriously, somebody in her camp should tell her to stop this shit and i hope more players will complain speak more about this matter.

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 05:33 PM
That isnīt true, itīs not a short grunt but when her opponent hits the ball i never hear Michelle doing any noise... itīs ridiculous how the haters really exagerate.
Unfortunately for the rhem they will have to hear her in the future and even worse the haters will have to watch her beating their favourites. Thatīs really the problem i know, Michelle said she just focus on her game and doesnīt care if people are talking about her or not. So stop spreading venom. It wonīt affect her in future...

So we're haters just because we criticize one aspect of her. :rolleyes: I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone as biased and deluded as you. I have the utmost respect for how much Larcher de Brito has managed to achieve by the age of 16, but I do not believe that her yell of hell is either necessary nor fair to her opponent. And, it will affect her in the future. Her opponents will appeal constantly to umpires and referees to tell her to shut her trap.

Dandy_Warhol
May 29th, 2009, 05:38 PM
So we're haters just because we criticize one aspect of her. :rolleyes: I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone as biased and deluded as you. I have the utmost respect for how much Larcher de Brito has managed to achieve by the age of 16, but I do not believe that her yell of hell is either necessary nor fair to her opponent. And, it will affect her in the future. Her opponents will appeal constantly to umpires and referees to tell her to shut her trap.

THIS

MatchpointPRT
May 29th, 2009, 05:39 PM
So we're haters just because we criticize one aspect of her. :rolleyes: I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone as biased and deluded as you. I have the utmost respect for how much Larcher de Brito has managed to achieve by the age of 16, but I do not believe that her yell of hell is either necessary nor fair to her opponent. And, it will affect her in the future. Her opponents will appeal constantly to umpires and referees to tell her to shut her trap.


I would like to see that being said about other players that do the same. Donīt try to say sheīs different. It will affect Michelle? Iīm not sure, Seles grunted, Sharapova, Serena, Venus, Azarenka and others and itīs not affecting them... if Michelle has to shut up those players have to do the same.

Beat
May 29th, 2009, 05:41 PM
2 bad Capriati is not around anymore :sad:

:lol: so true. jennifer would certainly tell her.

Beat
May 29th, 2009, 05:44 PM
Who in the HELL wants to sit and listen to that for 2 hours? I'd rather slam a car door on my fingers. I'd make much the same sort of noise.

:haha:

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 05:45 PM
I would like to see that being said about other players that do the same. Donīt try to say sheīs different. It will affect Michelle? Iīm not sure, Seles grunted, Sharapova, Serena, Venus, Azarenka and others and itīs not affecting them... if Michelle has to shut up those players have to do the same.

Of course they do. They already did - not shut up, but tone it down. Back in 2003 Maria was really loud - measured at 130 decibels, which is the equivalent of 'a small aircraft landing nearby' :tape: - and accordingly she toned it down, such that it doesn't affect her opponent as much. I may not like Azarenka, but her grunt seems tame when compared to Michelle's extended, piercing screech. All she has to do is shorten it and just lessen the volume. She'd be a much better player to watch if she did that - I don't deny she has talent, but she could use some lessons in proper tennis player etiquette.

Polikarpov
May 29th, 2009, 05:50 PM
:lol: so true. jennifer would certainly tell her.

Jennifer wouldn't even think twice slapping her.:lol:

justine schnyder
May 29th, 2009, 05:52 PM
aravane has nothing to prove and always well behaved in all the matchs she has played since she started on pro tour.
Whereas de brito appear to me as a very arrogant and non sportmanship girl I ever seen in my life. Ok there was Mac Enroe but at least the guy had this "talent" to be funny.
When I saw her today with her ridiculous behaviour I cant help than screaming ALLEZ! myself against her cause she has the "talent" to annoy people VERY VERY MUCH. I think she shows a very bad image to the women tennis and it has nothing to be with sharapova or other williams stories or other blabla
They are BIG CHAMPIONS who grunt but De Brito is by far the most annoying imo.Sorry but thats the truth.
true :yeah:
Wow this girl is so immature.. she stuck out her tongue after Rezai won a point to go up 3-1 in the second set.

Plus her screams :help::help::help: Was there a vulture in Philippe Chatrier???

http://militantplatypus.com/download/blogimages/fangtasticalSM.jpg
:haha:

Edinboro
May 29th, 2009, 05:53 PM
good luck to michelle for finding someone to actually want to play doubles with her.

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 05:55 PM
good luck to michelle for finding someone to actually want to play doubles with her.

:rolls:

Dandy_Warhol
May 29th, 2009, 05:57 PM
good luck to michelle for finding someone to actually want to play doubles with her.

:haha:

améliemomo
May 29th, 2009, 05:59 PM
very good one:lol:

Dav.
May 29th, 2009, 06:02 PM
It's crazy how opposite Michelle's on-court antics are from her off-court behavior.

Dave.
May 29th, 2009, 06:13 PM
A big :yeah: to Aravane for standing up to this. Michelle's noise is not a grunt or a shriek, it's unbearable. It makes women's tennis look ridiculous if that can continue because it's so blatantly obvious that she doesn't need to make that kind of noise so it's something to upset her opponents with. More importantly her attitude stinks. Sorry but already at 15-16 she has made a bad impression on loads of people. She needs to calm it all down.

LCS
May 29th, 2009, 06:23 PM
Did you see Sharapova today?? Michelle was hardly any louder.

earthcrystal
May 29th, 2009, 06:29 PM
The hypocrisy here is astonishing. Michelle's noises are no worse than half a dozen others on tour, including (as she so succinctly pointed out) Maria's. Serena's shrieks can be deafening as well when she's playing passionately. Get over it people.

I find Aravane a spoiled, annoying little brat with a sense of entitlement and will never support her again as I had in the past. Classless. That's alright. Michelle will have the last last laugh as she leaves Rezai in the ranking dust in the next couple of years.

paul_masterton
May 29th, 2009, 06:31 PM
The main issue is MLDB doesn't do this when she is hitting normally (drills, practice points/sets) so there is no reason to do it now.

In the early days LOTS of players complained about Sharapova when she was in challengers. I remember in Birmingham Osterloh went mental about it, and the umpire warned Maria and said if she didn't control it she was lose a point. Maria was silent for the rest of the match.

Mel South should of said something, all the reports from that match, the match against Jie, and this one make it look like sportsmanship. Several comments that the shriek lasted until her opponent hit the ball.

I have no problem with grunting, but this is taking the mick and its not on.

paul_masterton
May 29th, 2009, 06:37 PM
I also wanted to add that at 5-4 in the third against South, Michelle went down 0-30 and burst into tears.

For the next points she wasn't shrieking, but sobbing and wailing everytime she hit the ball.

Apparently Mel had no idea what to do and just burst out laughing :lol:

Hopefully she will grow out of this, because she could be amazing.

Marty-Dom
May 29th, 2009, 06:40 PM
I wish spectators would just make a stance and maybe started to chant "Quiet Michelle" or "shut up stupid" between games, that would put some pressure on her and the refs.
I can deal with grunters like Venus, Serena, Dinara and Maria. Azarenka is borderline for me. But this little twarp is so annoying to me with TV turned down, I can only imagine what she does to her opponents.
Rules could be revised to make excessive screaming subject to warning and then to a point deduction.

madmax
May 29th, 2009, 06:41 PM
No matter how hard Bagellito is trying to scream, she still cannot outgrunt our Queen Screamapova - today against Shvedova Phillipe Chatrier was shaking and baking from all decibels:lol::lol:

Maria Croft
May 29th, 2009, 06:47 PM
McEnroe: "She makes Sharapova look like Federer, it's over the top" :yeah:

Albireo
May 29th, 2009, 06:52 PM
Give the players until the beginning of the 2010 season to learn how to tone down the shrieking. From that point, start assessing a per-point penalty for anyone shrieking over a set volume level.

Kipling
May 29th, 2009, 06:58 PM
McEnroe: "She makes Sharapova look like Federer, it's over the top" :yeah:

Q.E.D. right there. If Mac the Brat can have an objection, it's pretty damned serious.

I repeat, it isn't the loudness as much as it is the designed timing of it, the over the top celebrating and the poor sportsmanship. She is no Sharapova, not even close. Maria's grunt may be offensive to some ears, and she may yell "cmon" after winning an important point, but she isn't yelling after every point like some kind of pyschotic maniac. If that girl needs to psych herself up so much, maybe she should just carry a needle with her and stick herself in the ass before each point.

The tennis gods must be rolling over in their graves.

I can't translate Portuguese, but this is the rough approximation:

[Rezai hits forehand long]

de Brito: "Holy fucking shit, I'm goddmaned spectacular! She's a twat!"

[Rezai winner]


Rezai: allez!

de Brito "AAAAARRRHHHHHH! FUCK! FUCK! You IDIOT!"

[Rezai hits net cord error]

de Brito: "YEAH! You're going to fuckin' Disney World, BABY! Calm down, calm down, you're two phuckin' points from winning a golden slam,!!!!!!"

[de Brito DF]

de Brito: "Why MEEEEEEEE?!?!?! Why does this shit alWAYS happen to MEEEE?????!! I'm so much goddamn better than that bitch!"

[de Brito FH error]

Rezai: allez!

de Brito: "AWWWWW, DAMN you. DAMN YOU ALL TO HELLLLLLLL........"

[de Brito DF]

[KA-BOOM! Crack!]

de Brito: "This fuckin' racquet is a goddamned piece of shit! I want my Mommy!!!!!"

Balltossovic
May 29th, 2009, 07:01 PM
She does it on Purpose. I heard her clearly say to the ump "There is no rule so sorry I can't change anything"

Clearly if there was a rule she would have to abide by it. She knows there is no rule so she's taking advantage. Yeah she's young and blah blah blah......but if she wants to play with the "big girls" she better tone that shit down and get really mature REALLY fast. Screaming come on at Rezai might work. I'd like to see her try that shit against Serena:tape:

Belmont Lad
May 29th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Her shrieking is so off-putting, mainly because it is sooooooooooooo long. Her ear-splitting harpy shrieks often last until her opponent is hitting their shot, which defines "interference" to me. She needs to be shut down, by the tour, the crowd, and a well placed " shut the **** up" by her opponents.

morningglory
May 29th, 2009, 07:04 PM
:hearts: after seeing that and the way she plays... count me as a potential fan of Archer de Burrito :hearts:
What's wrong with screaming? If makes everything more intense... and if you dont like it theres always the mute button...

blueskye
May 29th, 2009, 07:05 PM
I watched the match and was extremely impressed by how Michelle played BUT her on court behaviour and manners suck ;) AND her screams/Grunts were disturbing, much more so than the William sisters or even Sharapovas.. I think Aravane was right in complaining and did a good job at the post match press conference. However, Michelle is still young and learning so hopefully she will learn to deal with such situations in a more classy way in the future!

volta
May 29th, 2009, 07:07 PM
The hypocrisy here is astonishing. Michelle's noises are no worse than half a dozen others on tour, including (as she so succinctly pointed out) Maria's. Serena's shrieks can be deafening as well when she's playing passionately. Get over it people.

I find Aravane a spoiled, annoying little brat with a sense of entitlement and will never support her again as I had in the past. Classless. That's alright. Michelle will have the last last laugh as she leaves Rezai in the ranking dust in the next couple of years.

oh the irony :rolls:

fish_wilson
May 29th, 2009, 07:08 PM
I actually like the sounds coming out of this girl.

hugo2004
May 29th, 2009, 07:18 PM
This thread is just ridiculous. If was Sharapova or Venus playing Rezai would never complaint about it. She tried to intimidate Michelle and to take her focus from the match.. After winning the 1º set she never complaint again, lol. And don´t say Michelles grunt is worst than other players because it is not. I hope Safina give a lesson to Rezai 60 60.

Mynarco
May 29th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Sorry, no grunt is more annoying that Sharapova's.

lenc
May 29th, 2009, 07:24 PM
Did you see Sharapova today?? Michelle was hardly any louder.

Both of their vocal cords should be sliced. Plus Azarenka's and a few others.

http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PSO1147.jpg

Balltossovic
May 29th, 2009, 07:26 PM
This thread is just ridiculous. If was Sharapova or Venus playing Rezai would never complaint about it. She tried to intimidate Michelle and to take her focus from the match.. After winning the 1š set she never complaint again, lol. And donīt say Michelles grunt is worst than other players because it is not. I hope Safina give a lesson to Rezai 60 60.
Yes she did complain. I didn't start watching the match until the second set. I saw Rezai go to the Ump and say something. The umpire also spoke to Michelle AGAIN and she said and I quote "Sorry there is no rule so I cannot change anything"

Yes she is worse. She does not grunt she SCREAMS. While Maria, Serena, Venus, and Vika may grunt loudly, it is NOWHERE NEAR as high as this girls. Not only does she scream much louder, she is still producing that horrid noise by the time the ball makes it to her opponents side. She was still still screaming while Rezai was hitting the ball. All of the comentators saw it and comented on it too. Maybe we werent watching the same match:shrug:


ALl that matters is that Rezai already gave a lesson to Michelle:)

mirzalover
May 29th, 2009, 07:28 PM
It wouldnt be as bad if she didnt go on for SOOO long with it.

Serenita
May 29th, 2009, 07:33 PM
It's sad that people are picking on the girl. I hope that somone the likes as, Venus /Pova /Serena ect say something about this. Imagine that some one telling you how loud you can grunt. I hope to see that Rezai is fair, and complain to Venus/Pova and the rest of the WTA tour grunters.

charmedRic
May 29th, 2009, 07:50 PM
The grunters have never in the past particularly bothered me.

Not Seles, about whom all the fuss was made at Wimbledon in 92.

Not the Williams, not Azarenka, not Sharapova.

Not exactly great on the ears but it doesn't bother me really.

But this one? My GOD. it's ear-splitting. It goes right through you. It sounds like she's being chased by an axe murderer.

Enough. If that's considered acceptable then what comes next? Someone even louder, even shriller, even more brain-cracking.

Time for a rule on decibel levels, I think - get too loud too many times, get warning, point penalty, default.

I do NOT believe you need to make that mind-breaking caterwaul to hit a tennis ball. It's an affectation that's become a habit. It can be broken, and if it can't tough. Who in the HELL wants to sit and listen to that for 2 hours? I'd rather slam a car door on my fingers. I'd make much the same sort of noise.

amen!

barboza
May 29th, 2009, 07:53 PM
Can't believe people don't find her screams most annoying. She goes like Uhhhh-AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH versus Sharpova's AAAuhhhhhhhhh.

drake3781
May 29th, 2009, 07:55 PM
I also wanted to add that at 5-4 in the third against South, Michelle went down 0-30 and burst into tears.

For the next points she wasn't shrieking, but sobbing and wailing everytime she hit the ball.

Apparently Mel had no idea what to do and just burst out laughing :lol:

Hopefully she will grow out of this, because she could be amazing.


I MUST see this! Hopefully on TTC's archived matches?



Give the players until the beginning of the 2010 season to learn how to tone down the shrieking. From that point, start assessing a per-point penalty for anyone shrieking over a set volume level.



ITA. And I was saying this a year or more ago, even before the advent of the Shrieiking Burrito. It must be handled by the tour with a Rule and Decibel Meters. People in those days said I was nuts and it is impossible to measure and manage. And I said it can and should be done - now we see it must be done as there are no limits.

drake3781
May 29th, 2009, 07:56 PM
Aravane, you are my new heroine, for how you played in that match and your fire and good spirit and grace.

Thieving Magpie
May 29th, 2009, 08:06 PM
I think the "grunting" is something we will have to get used to. I see it as some sort of battle cry like they're doing some kind of material arts. It has already become a trademark of woman's tennis. The WTA should have done something about it when it all started, but now that Sharapova and others have been doing it for years it's too late to suddenly come up with a rule against it.

Edinboro
May 29th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Yah, even Dementieva has gotten louder in the past year.

dybbuk
May 29th, 2009, 08:13 PM
No one else can be compred to MLDB. Her grunt is both the loudest on tour and one of the longest in duration. Her banshee shriek is often times still blaring while her opponent is hitting the ball. Maria, Venus, Victoria, etc. don't do that. The only other player I can think of who has done that is Schiavone, and that's rare, and when she does it she's clearly trying to mess with her opponent, which is exactly what MLDB is trying to do.

Aravane. :worship:

delicatecutter
May 29th, 2009, 08:14 PM
She sounds like she is being stabbed to death which I find equally inappropriate yet hilarious. :lol:

LadyLil
May 29th, 2009, 08:20 PM
The grunters have never in the past particularly bothered me.

Not Seles, about whom all the fuss was made at Wimbledon in 92.

Not the Williams, not Azarenka, not Sharapova.

Not exactly great on the ears but it doesn't bother me really.

But this one? My GOD. it's ear-splitting. It goes right through you. It sounds like she's being chased by an axe murderer.

Enough. If that's considered acceptable then what comes next? Someone even louder, even shriller, even more brain-cracking.

Time for a rule on decibel levels, I think - get too loud too many times, get warning, point penalty, default.

I do NOT believe you need to make that mind-breaking caterwaul to hit a tennis ball. It's an affectation that's become a habit. It can be broken, and if it can't tough. Who in the HELL wants to sit and listen to that for 2 hours? I'd rather slam a car door on my fingers. I'd make much the same sort of noise.

Agreed. By the way the supervisor was courtside during Sharapova's match which may account for her lowered decibel level during her match.

Optima
May 29th, 2009, 08:26 PM
Like some people have said, Jennifer would lay the smackdown on her, and quite possibly Nastya :rolls:

What I wouldn't give for Nastya or Jennifer to come back and tell her like it is.

taevaughn
May 29th, 2009, 08:29 PM
mich is freakin loud but she rocks. :p

bobbynorwich
May 29th, 2009, 08:32 PM
And it goes on far too long. It is completely premeditated, tactical, and ridiculous. It isn't mere natural excitement. She's doing it with the design of intimidating her opponents. That is what is so offensive.
It is very offensive. Michelle is going to lose fans and endorsements from this poor sportsmanship, perhaps then she'll straighten up. However, there is no reason the WTA can't set a 2-3 second and decibel limit on these outbursts. It can't be pleasant for fans sitting courtside either.

Now that Aravane has suggested that other players might follow her lead by protesting to refs about this, maybe such an incessant chorus of complaints will silence her.

itzhak
May 29th, 2009, 08:36 PM
The solution is very simple:

The next match she is starting to scream the umpire should give her warning.

If she continues, than another warning and starting to get down points.

If she is still continue, just disqalified her with no arguments.

She will cry, scream, complain but she will NEVER do it again.

drake3781
May 29th, 2009, 08:37 PM
I work in industrial settings and there are determined safe noise levels above which people need to wear hearing protection to avoid hearing loss. This affects the other player, the "workers" there such as linespeople and ballkids, and the fans. Once you have lost part of your hearing, you never get it back, and it is replaced by a ringing noise. People need not be subjected to this, because they came to play in, work at, or watch a tennis match. And a player can even raise an objection based on health and safety, if nothing else works.

alexia1huff
May 29th, 2009, 09:10 PM
There is no reason for any of the tennis players to shriek that loud, it does help a bit and is natural when hitting hard sometimes, but the way it happens in women tennis nowadays (show me guys who force their shrieks as much) is tactics, to distract the other player, notice that having someone shriek that loud you can't hear the bounce of the ball and the eye/ear coordination is what you have inbuilt after playing tennis since you are a child.
These girls don't shriek that loud all the time, you can notice that sometimes they go completely quiet, so really there is no need for such behaviour. It's merely a routine and just like changing the technique of their shots they can tone down their voice (it's not healthy for their voices either!). I think the players should intervene when they are not happy with the sounds of the opponents, making specific rules on how loud the player can be won't work, but a rule that would forwarn the players they can be getting warnings (like for abuse of equipment) for not toning down their shrieking after a request, could make the next generation of players think twice before getting into this routine.

terjw
May 29th, 2009, 09:30 PM
The solution is very simple:

The next match she is starting to scream the umpire should give her warning.

If she continues, than another warning and starting to get down points.

If she is still continue, just disqalified her with no arguments.

She will cry, scream, complain but she will NEVER do it again.

And that rule should apply to all players. But the WTA and ITF are weak about doing anything about this. It should have applied to Sharapova a long time ago.

The WTA and ITF have not tackled the problem when it first occurred with Seles and it's just grown worse and worse with each generation. I remember seeing Larry Scott asked at Wimbledon a few years ago that more people phoned up the BBC on this issue with the noise than any other issue and he was pathetic. Just denied that it was a problem that anyone was concerned about.:rolleyes:

It took Tauziat and Nav to complain against Seles at Wimledon 72 for something to be done then - but that was only that one final that one tournament. Then of course Sharapova comes along and it's even worse and the WTA take no action. And any player who does have the courage to complain is vilified - just like Tauziat got unfairly criticised for having the courage to complain about Seles.

Because the WTA are weak and have let it go with Sharapova - we now have MLB. Every generation it gets worse. God knows what the generation after MLB will be like.

It shouldn't be up to other players to have to complain. Excessive or prolonged noise should be outlawed and penalised. Quite easy to do. Then we'd see how true this rubbish they spout that they can't help it is.

mapaliey
May 29th, 2009, 09:40 PM
yes..brito is noise and retard . her shriek is annoy me......i prefer sharapova.....

ChriS.
May 29th, 2009, 09:55 PM
I actually like the sounds coming out of this girl.I would see a doctor if I was you!

Yes she did complain. I didn't start watching the match until the second set. I saw Rezai go to the Ump and say something. The umpire also spoke to Michelle AGAIN and she said and I quote "Sorry there is no rule so I cannot change anything"

Yes she is worse. She does not grunt she SCREAMS. While Maria, Serena, Venus, and Vika may grunt loudly, it is NOWHERE NEAR as high as this girls. Not only does she scream much louder, she is still producing that horrid noise by the time the ball makes it to her opponents side. She was still still screaming while Rezai was hitting the ball. All of the comentators saw it and comented on it too. Maybe we werent watching the same match:shrug:


ALl that matters is that Rezai already gave a lesson to Michelle:)Well done to Rezai for standing up to the stupid brat! The umpires have no bottle at all. There is no doubt that her grunt is done on purpose to put off her opponent. All the other grunters are annoying but tolerable - she is not.

veryborednow
May 29th, 2009, 10:02 PM
The shit she is going to get from the press at Wimbledon is going to be immense

a 16-year-old from Portugal who attacks the eardrums of opponents, officials and spectators with the the kind of shriek that suggests she is having her fingernails torturously ripped out on every single shot

Mills was certain that players from the Nick Bollettieri Academy in Florida were taught to employ noise into their armoury and it’s no coincidence that Seles, Kournikova, Sharapova and now Marcher del Brito were all schooled at the American coach’s Bradenton headquarters.

Who can deny that it’s high time the International Tennis Federation, who monitor the rules of tennis, should consult the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour and then address this issue? The louder the shrieking, the uglier the game.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article6390224.ece

Admittedly, my favourite part is the oh so typical British comment at the bottom: "Certainly the ever-louder grunting wants stopping NOW, Federer, ever the gentleman would never behave that way." Brits can turn any tennis issue into a arse kissing of Federer.

beecharmer
May 29th, 2009, 10:07 PM
I think the "grunting" is something we will have to get used to. I see it as some sort of battle cry like they're doing some kind of material arts. It has already become a trademark of woman's tennis. The WTA should have done something about it when it all started, but now that Sharapova and others have been doing it for years it's too late to suddenly come up with a rule against it.

Ahhhhh material arts....my secret weapon is power-crotchet.

bobbynorwich
May 29th, 2009, 10:15 PM
The shit she is going to get from the press at Wimbledon is going to be immense.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article6390224.ece


Good article. MLB deserves to be scorned by the fans. The refs really don't have anything in their rule-book that would allow them to penalize a player for shrieking since it has become so routine by the bigger stars. There is a rule about distracting behaviors, but shrieking is too accepted now to apply the distraction rule to just one person and not to others.

The WTA and the ITF must enact a new decibel rule --- not just for the good of the sport, but also to protect the hearing of fans/officials/players.

scoobsuk
May 29th, 2009, 10:16 PM
Ahhhhh material arts....my secret weapon is power-crotchet.
Don't forget the ninja appliqué.

scoobsuk
May 29th, 2009, 10:21 PM
Admittedly, my favourite part is the oh so typical British comment at the bottom: "Certainly the ever-louder grunting wants stopping NOW, Federer, ever the gentleman would never behave that way." Brits can turn any tennis issue into a arse kissing of Federer.

You know I don't think Roger Federer would EVER be as gauche as to make a remark like that :rolleyes:

Patrick345
May 29th, 2009, 10:21 PM
Aravane was all class in the post-match interview and she still isn't too harsh on MLDB imo.She clearly is implying that it's part of a strategy tho (and she's right).Hope some others will ask for this to stop as well.

PS : lol at the first sentence.So Michelle said that Aravane's complaint was "tactical" ? Can the girl be even more retarded :weirdo:

Of course it was. The grunts might be annoying, but the point of the complaint was chosen with the intent to throw DeBrito off her game. For me personally tennis players get away with way too many cheating, whether it is coaching, playing the umpires on challenges or milking the clock between serves. On the other hand they all turn into whiny little boys and girls, when the opponent or crowd makes some noise. Never heard a basketball or football player ask a crowd for dead silence so he can focus on his free throw or penalty.

Natasc
May 29th, 2009, 10:24 PM
And it goes on far too long. It is completely premeditated, tactical, and ridiculous. It isn't mere natural excitement. She's doing it with the design of intimidating her opponents. That is what is so offensive.

:worship: Exactly. I can understand a grunt/scream/yell of hell, whatever, when you're hitting the ball but when you're still squealing when the opponent is hitting the ball that is a HUGE problem.

That's exactly what I believe: that is far too long.
many players screams, not only Maria, I have heard a lot (WS, Azarenka, Safina sometimes...many players) BUT NOT for THAT LONG...

veryborednow
May 29th, 2009, 10:25 PM
. Never heard a basketball or football player ask a crowd for dead silence so he can focus on his free throw or penalty.
It doesn't compare.

A free throw nor a penalty involves a reaction to something the opposition has done.

Tennis players need to hear the ball coming off the opponents raquet.

veryborednow
May 29th, 2009, 10:26 PM
You know I don't think Roger Federer would EVER be as gauche as to make a remark like that :rolleyes:
my comment, or the one on the site? The one on the site is referring to the noise - you're comment doesn't make sense :confused:

alex33
May 29th, 2009, 10:27 PM
"if you close your eyes it sounds like a torture chamber" :haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVfCcBzMeA0&feature=channel_page

Natasc
May 29th, 2009, 10:28 PM
I do also agree that therefore the portuguese girl scream for far too long Aravane's timming wasn't good to make a point
at the same way that the girl screams Aravane's saying that at that time wasnt good either...
or was a big coincidence...

anampoee
May 29th, 2009, 10:38 PM
Well, Zheng told the press that she's extremely disturbed by Michelle, but she's too nice not to complain. She respects Michelle's 'right', but it seems like Michelle doesn't appreciate it.

Solitaire
May 29th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Rezai was being pushed by a player she easily beat in Miami so she complained about the grunt do to anger. Did she complain about the grunt during their match in Miami? I'm guessing not becuase she was beating her easily. It doesn't help Rezai's cause when she started to grunt as well.

No way they're going to crack down on grunting at this point. The tour didn't stop Monica and they sure aren't going to mess with the golden girl Maria. I think Rezai needs to focus on her fitness and actually having a game plan when she's on court rather than worrying about Brito's grunt.

joz
May 29th, 2009, 10:43 PM
This is one of those dodgy "where do you draw the line?" discussions, and everyone will have a different view of where that line is.
I agree... there are at least 15 players who's grunts/screams bug the crap out of me... Many of them in the top 10.
De Brito's is high pitched... but the deaper grunts from other players are no better....

Patrick345
May 29th, 2009, 10:44 PM
It doesn't compare.

A free throw nor a penalty involves a reaction to something the opposition has done.

Tennis players need to hear the ball coming off the opponents raquet.

No they donīt. A goalie doesnīt need to hear a football come off the foot of the player to react and a basketball palyer doesnīt need to hear the bounce on the rim to grab a rebound. Itīs just a stupid tradition like in golf, the elite aspect of the sports.

Bina_Bolska_Fan
May 29th, 2009, 10:48 PM
Rezai was being pushed by a player she easily beat in Miami so she complained about the grunt do to anger. Did she complain about the grunt during their match in Miami? I'm guessing not becuase she was beating her easily. It doesn't help Rezai's cause when she started to grunt as well.

No way they're going to crack down on grunting at this point. The tour didn't stop Monica and they sure aren't going to mess with the golden girl Maria. I think Rezai needs to focus on her fitness and actually having a game plan when she's on court rather than worrying about Brito's grunt.

She told in her interwiew she also complained about the grunt in her match in Miami.:apumpkin:

veryborednow
May 29th, 2009, 10:56 PM
No they donīt. A goalie doesnīt need to hear a football come off the foot of the player to react and a basketball palyer doesnīt need to hear the bounce on the rim to grab a rebound. Itīs just a stupid tradition like in golf, the elite aspect of the sports.
I don't know basketball at all, so I'm going to stick with the football example.

In tennis you're trying to return the ball regularly, reacting every second, while covering a wider area than a goal and playing with a smaller ball. This is compared to one thump of a football in 90 mins which the goal keeper isn't expected to reach. Different objectives.

sammy01
May 29th, 2009, 10:58 PM
the thing is it just gives womens tennis a bad image. my mum heard her today and just laughed, turned to me and said 'why is she screaming?', i couldn't give her an answer so my mum just thinks womens tennis is a joke, as will many casual fans ect who switch tennis on and just laugh and switch back over.

scoobsuk
May 29th, 2009, 11:00 PM
Michelle seems to think that just because players don't want to go up to the umpire and make a confrontation out of it, that means they must be fine with the ear splitting shrieks. I'm guessing 90% of her opponents are not.

So I'd encourage her opponents in future matches to make sure they bring a placard on court that they can wave in her direction whenever she starts to strangle the cat.

I'd recommend it say something like "Michelle, STFU :wavey: " or something equally direct so the point cannot be missed.

Maybe they could have a communal one.

Sony Ericsson could get it produced perhaps.

Now, I'm not a graphic artist but, maybe, something along these lines?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3576519931_ab41d5726f_o.jpg

Patrick345
May 29th, 2009, 11:01 PM
I don't know basketball at all, so I'm going to stick with the football example.

In tennis you're trying to return the ball regularly, reacting every second, while covering a wider area than a goal and playing with a smaller ball. This is compared to one thump of a football in 90 mins which the goal keeper isn't expected to reach. Different objectives.

Everything that hurts pushers is a good thing. If they react a split second slower to a well-placed forehand or dropshot, I say bad luck. Maybe try to acutally win a point yourself next time.

hammerhead
May 29th, 2009, 11:04 PM
Somebody please print t-shirts for Wimby that say "Michelle STFU!" It's too much.

I have been trying to enlist friends to watch tennis...telling them it's really a great sport. Then they witness this nonsense and say "You must be joking, my idea of great sport does not involve shreiking teenagers." This screaming is ruining the game.

Solitaire
May 29th, 2009, 11:05 PM
She told in her interwiew she also complained about the grunt in her match in Miami.:apumpkin:

It almost sounded like she was talking about Maria I guess it got lost in translation but I still stand by my pervious post.:apumpkin:

veryborednow
May 29th, 2009, 11:06 PM
the thing is it just gives womens tennis a bad image. my mum heard her today and just laughed, turned to me and said 'why is she screaming?', i couldn't give her an answer so my mum just thinks womens tennis is a joke, as will many casual fans ect who switch tennis on and just laugh and switch back over.
Exactly. You would think that with the WTA management using shallow marketing tactics based purely on the image of womens tennis they would do something about it.

This is embarrassing, 3.51, this is a layman's understanding of womens tennis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk5CL3cGyqE

veryborednow
May 29th, 2009, 11:07 PM
Everything that hurts pushers is a good thing. If they react a split second slower to a well-placed forehand or dropshot, I say bad luck. Maybe try to acutally win a point yourself next time.
Heh. I agree with that :D

Bina_Bolska_Fan
May 29th, 2009, 11:11 PM
It almost sounded like she was talking about Maria I guess it got lost in translation but I still stand by my pervious post.:apumpkin:

Not at all,it wasn't lost in translation, it was actually in the Michelle's interview.

Michelle told Aravane was still complaining about her grunts in Miami.:apumpkin:



http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/depeches/sports/20090529.FAP4893/rolandgarros_larcher_de_brito_aboie_aravane_passe. html

MarieC
May 29th, 2009, 11:12 PM
The crowds are going to have to get on Michelle if there's any hope of the decibel level being turned down. More than likely its going to continue, but at 16 its a great age to get it stamped out.

scoobsuk
May 29th, 2009, 11:16 PM
The WTA needs a hero now more than ever...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3312/3577351292_d2eb24abc2_o.jpg

homogenius
May 29th, 2009, 11:16 PM
Of course it was. The grunts might be annoying, but the point of the complaint was chosen with the intent to throw DeBrito off her game. For me personally tennis players get away with way too many cheating, whether it is coaching, playing the umpires on challenges or milking the clock between serves. On the other hand they all turn into whiny little boys and girls, when the opponent or crowd makes some noise. Never heard a basketball or football player ask a crowd for dead silence so he can focus on his free throw or penalty.

Rezai was disturbeb by De Brito shrieks and she had the right to react.Michelle is perfectly able to play whithout shrieking, she does at times, so I don't know how it was supposed to throw her off her game (and if her game is based on that :help:).Furthermore, the problem with Michelle today wasn't the shrieking for me (it's really annoying but she's not the only one to do it) : the girl should have been warned and lost points cause of her neverending over the top attitude (broken racket, balls in the stand etc...).Some other players have been warned for much little than that.And the way she tries to "impress" her opponent is ridiculous : the way she returns some first serves out in full force right on the other player for example.Today Aravane responded to that (she did the same at times)and showed her during the whole match that she wasn't impressed and that all the gamemanship in the world is not enough to win a match.Maybe Michelle will learn from that (doubt it tho).

Martian KC
May 29th, 2009, 11:19 PM
Funniest thread in awhile.

jusluvinjrtennis
May 29th, 2009, 11:27 PM
Ahh. Rezai was saying "allez" and pumping her fist just in important points? I saw the match and it wasnīt the case. Michelle showed a great attitude, determination and fought hard playing impressive tennis in some moments and she had reasons to celebrate. She wasnīt winning a grand slam, but this is her first grand slam main draw...We can really see sheīs totally focused, thinking just about playing well and not anything else like "grunt tactics" as Rezai said. I see lots of players grunting and not doing anything special, not even attempting to play good shots, but here is different she really fights and gives her all to play each shot. Ridiculous is the hate that people are showing, condemning her attitude, and next calling her things like "bitch" and other things, showing no education and trying to give all the importance to her grunts and never talking about her very good game for a 16 yo.

Arent you guilty of the same thing? You only harp on how great she is for 16 blah blah blah and you never acknowledge how obnoxious, irritating, intrusive, disgusting, immature, abhorrent, awful, beastly, repugnant, odious, detestable, disgusting,,
foul, gross, annoying, hateable, pestiferous, horrid, insufferable, displeasing invidious, , mean, nasty,
nauseating, objectionable, , disagreeable, off-color , ornery,
pain in the neck, dislikable, pesky, big mouth reprehensible, loathsome, revolting, rotten, sickening, stinking, unpleasant abominable, that her screaming is?

Solitaire
May 29th, 2009, 11:33 PM
Not at all,it wasn't lost in translation, it was actually in the Michelle's interview.

Michelle told Aravane was still complaining about her grunts in Miami.:apumpkin:



http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/depeches/sports/20090529.FAP4893/rolandgarros_larcher_de_brito_aboie_aravane_passe. html

I had only read and watched Rezai's intetview. The translation of the comment both written and spoken was confusing to me. It almost sounded like Rezai was talking about Maria in a previous match. That's why I said lost in translation. You're right Rezai did complain in Miami as stated by Brito in her interview.

justine schnyder
May 29th, 2009, 11:42 PM
Michelle seems to think that just because players don't want to go up to the umpire and make a confrontation out of it, that means they must be fine with the ear splitting shrieks. I'm guessing 90% of her opponents are not.

So I'd encourage her opponents in future matches to make sure they bring a placard on court that they can wave in her direction whenever she starts to strangle the cat.

I'd recommend it say something like "Michelle, STFU :wavey: " or something equally direct so the point cannot be missed.

Maybe they could have a communal one.

Sony Ericsson could get it produced perhaps.

Now, I'm not a graphic artist but, maybe, something along these lines?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3576519931_ab41d5726f_o.jpg
:worship:

Kipling
May 30th, 2009, 12:47 AM
Arent you guilty of the same thing? You only harp on how great she is for 16 blah blah blah and you never acknowledge how obnoxious, irritating, intrusive, disgusting, immature, abhorrent, awful, beastly, repugnant, odious, detestable, disgusting,,
foul, gross, annoying, hateable, pestiferous, horrid, insufferable, displeasing invidious, , mean, nasty,
nauseating, objectionable, , disagreeable, off-color , ornery,
pain in the neck, dislikable, pesky, big mouth reprehensible, loathsome, revolting, rotten, sickening, stinking, unpleasant abominable, that her screaming is?

I don't know if technically if "stunk", but the rest of that is about right.

:worship:

Patrick345
May 30th, 2009, 12:58 AM
Rezai was disturbeb by De Brito shrieks and she had the right to react.Michelle is perfectly able to play whithout shrieking, she does at times, so I don't know how it was supposed to throw her off her game (and if her game is based on that :help:).Furthermore, the problem with Michelle today wasn't the shrieking for me (it's really annoying but she's not the only one to do it) : the girl should have been warned and lost points cause of her neverending over the top attitude (broken racket, balls in the stand etc...).Some other players have been warned for much little than that.And the way she tries to "impress" her opponent is ridiculous : the way she returns some first serves out in full force right on the other player for example.Today Aravane responded to that (she did the same at times)and showed her during the whole match that she wasn't impressed and that all the gamemanship in the world is not enough to win a match.Maybe Michelle will learn from that (doubt it tho).

Nevertheless itīs funny she was only disturbed enough at 3-4 or 4-5 or whatever the scoreline was. Rezai says she has complained in Miami as well, so why wait 7-9 games before you say anything? It was clearly a goal of hers to get a 16 year old girl rattled and upset. And like you say DeBrito is a very aggressive player and if you push her buttons a bit, its very possible she goes into overdrive and makes a lot of stupid errors. Rezai might have been annoyed, but she certainly picked her spot well.

drake3781
May 30th, 2009, 01:59 AM
Nevertheless itīs funny she was only disturbed enough at 3-4 or 4-5 or whatever the scoreline was. Rezai says she has complained in Miami as well, so why wait 7-9 games before you say anything? It was clearly a goal of hers to get a 16 year old girl rattled and upset. And like you say DeBrito is a very aggressive player and if you push her buttons a bit, its very possible she goes into overdrive and makes a lot of stupid errors. Rezai might have been annoyed, but she certainly picked her spot well.


This kind of argument always bugs me. Put somebody (Aravane in this case) in a bad position, that is not of their choosing and only the fault of the other person (Michelle), then nitpick about how she handles it.

Aravane should not have been put in this position to start with; I believe the tour needs rules for it so a player doesn't HAVE to be made to suffer this problem and have to deal with it. But for now, that's the way it is, and Aravane was put in the position that she had to make the complaint.

Now that is unfair to her, but even more unfair that now people criticize and find fault with HOW she handled it. She handled it the best she knew how, and it seems overall handled it well and gracefully as possible. But even if she hadn't and certains criticisms ring true, SO WHAT?... it's not fair to expect perfect handling of a situation that she didn't bring on herself and never should have been put into in the first place.

I see this all the time in different areas of life, and it is a big pet peeve of mine. :rolleyes:

brayster87
May 30th, 2009, 02:15 AM
Have a listen to this, absolutely ridiculous! This is not tennis!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVfCcBzMeA0

mapaliey
May 30th, 2009, 03:22 AM
Have a listen to this, absolutely ridiculous! This is not tennis!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVfCcBzMeA0

too bad sveta not shriek haahahah....

Nobody's Perfecc
May 30th, 2009, 03:43 AM
Did anyone else see her interview with The Tennis Channel today? When they replayed her Sharapova comment, she had a smug smile on her face as if she was actually proud of it. And that Michael guy seemed to complement her for her attitude.

barboza
May 30th, 2009, 03:49 AM
Michelle really hurts my ears!!!!

Nobody's Perfecc
May 30th, 2009, 03:50 AM
Her interview is on TTC again right now. *blood pressure rising*

Atrixo
May 30th, 2009, 03:53 AM
Holy crap! That's what Michelle sounds like? Damn, that's one of the worst sounds I've ever heard! :o

It's no wonder that everyone wants to put a cork in her piehole. :tape:

_No20_
May 31st, 2009, 02:33 AM
Cristiano Ronaldo syndrome. Don't like it? Change the channel!
So ya'll losers keep complaining...she will get stronger and stronger.
Well, about the French...typical, I remember when they booed a 16 yo Martina Hingis in the FINAL!

ZeroSOFInfinity
May 31st, 2009, 03:28 AM
What Yahoo! Tennis Experts say about her... shriek...

"If you haven't heard Larcher de Brito in action yet, it is hard to imagine the piercing sound she creates. Think Maria Sharapova, multiplied by Monica Seles, added to an untrained hand slashing away at a violin.

Some of the teenager's shrieks lasted so long that they were still hanging in the air as Rezai was playing the next shot."

Wow... is THAT BAD actually :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

joz
May 31st, 2009, 03:57 AM
Keeping Larcher de Brito's noise in mind while watching today... I've got to say... Safina, Serena, MJMS, Elena D., and Azarenka... are all just as annoying... I couldn't concentrate on anything but their annoying screams/grunts/growls while they played today... I'd throw all of them in the same boat as Larcher de Brito. The problem is the circuit finally accpeted that Seles could do it... so how can they go back?

barboza
May 31st, 2009, 04:04 AM
Keeping Larcher de Brito's noise in mind while watching today... I've got to say... Safina, Serena, MJMS, Elena D., and Azarenka... are all just as annoying... I couldn't concentrating on anything but their annoying screams/grunts/growls... while they played today... I'd throw all of them in the same boat as Larcher de Brito. The problem is the circuit finally accpeted that Seles could do it... so how can they go back?

At least those players' grunts do not last as long as MLDB's!! Seriously, this girl screams like a vulture for 10 seconds and they are so piercing.

joz
May 31st, 2009, 04:54 AM
At least those players' grunts do not last as long as MLDB's!! Seriously, this girl screams like a vulture for 10 seconds and they are so piercing.
Those players grunts are horribly annoying in the same way as MLDB's. Some of them grunt/scream before they even hit the ball... and some of them grunt/scream on drop shots.

matty
May 31st, 2009, 05:03 AM
The grunters have never in the past particularly bothered me.

Not Seles, about whom all the fuss was made at Wimbledon in 92.

Not the Williams, not Azarenka, not Sharapova.

Not exactly great on the ears but it doesn't bother me really.

But this one? My GOD. it's ear-splitting. It goes right through you. It sounds like she's being chased by an axe murderer.

Enough. If that's considered acceptable then what comes next? Someone even louder, even shriller, even more brain-cracking.

Time for a rule on decibel levels, I think - get too loud too many times, get warning, point penalty, default.

I do NOT believe you need to make that mind-breaking caterwaul to hit a tennis ball. It's an affectation that's become a habit. It can be broken, and if it can't tough. Who in the HELL wants to sit and listen to that for 2 hours? I'd rather slam a car door on my fingers. I'd make much the same sort of noise.

Well put! :hatoff:

fufuqifuqishahah
May 31st, 2009, 06:27 AM
hm... perhaps these tennis players are lacking some creativity and/or boldness

if i was playing aginst MLDB, i'd start screaming even louder and yelping and making all these weird varying shrills (including spider monkey howls and donkey hee-haws) whenever i hit the ball.

T. Ennis
May 31st, 2009, 07:25 AM
hm... perhaps these tennis players are lacking some creativity and/or boldness

if i was playing aginst MLDB, i'd start screaming even louder and yelping and making all these weird varying shrills (including spider monkey howls and donkey hee-haws) whenever i hit the ball.

http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-97/05-29-97/d05sp244.htm#cut

Take it easy Jeff... :p

Albireo
May 31st, 2009, 08:29 AM
http://archive.southcoasttoday.com/daily/05-97/05-29-97/d05sp244.htm#cut

Take it easy Jeff... :p

Muster's grunt was easily the most annoying of his era.

Michael.
May 31st, 2009, 11:01 AM
i should use her grunts as my alarm clock in the morning.

Amukinado
May 31st, 2009, 11:03 AM
At least those players' grunts do not last as long as MLDB's!! Seriously, this girl screams like a vulture for 10 seconds and they are so piercing.

We're going already in 10 seconds. Two weeks from now people will say she screams for two days, non-stop.

Get a life...