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tennispassion82
May 29th, 2009, 01:28 PM
Venus Williams lost on the Parisian clay once again as even after 13 years from her Grand slam debut in 1997, Venus is still without the Suzanne Lenglen Cup.

Seven time Grand Slam champion Venus Williams made her major debut at Roland Garros 13 years ago. Ironically, this is one Grand Slam ( Australian Open is over, so don't bother wondering ) that has been sort of a nightmare for the current world number three. Perhaps, it is safe to say so as well, since the only saving grace for Williams on parisian clay came in 2002 when she made it to the finals and lost to sister Serena.

Today turned out to be no different as Hungarian Agnes Szavay bagled..... http://www.tennisearth.com/news/tennisNews/Is-Roland-Garros-jinxed-for-Venus-Williams-425338.htm

nfl46
May 29th, 2009, 01:30 PM
I don't think Venus will ever win an AO or FO, nor do I believe she'll win an USO again. I think she'll win, maybe two more Wimbledon's and a YE Championship.

:inlove:
May 29th, 2009, 01:31 PM
Thanks for enlightening us, nfl46.

nfl46
May 29th, 2009, 01:32 PM
Thanks for enlightening us, nfl46.

You're welcome. [sarcasm/]

gmokb
May 29th, 2009, 01:45 PM
Some people are acting as if she is the one player to have trouble with a particular surface. Some of the great players were unable to win on all four.

tennnisfannn
May 29th, 2009, 01:56 PM
take not, not even sampras won on this stuff nor almighty federer and neither has safina, jj, amelie etc Nothing strange here

jrm
May 29th, 2009, 02:03 PM
Makes me laugh all the time - as soon as someone makes 'negative remark(s)' about a player someone likes they jump in and start defending them and pointing fingers on others.

Was i suprised she lost? No - expected her to lose to Safarova in round before (probably would happen if Lucie was in form). Writting on the wall when she lost a set to Mattek Sands in opening round!

DeLorean
May 29th, 2009, 02:15 PM
shes got the game to beat anyone any day. she needs to use it more

tennispassion82
May 29th, 2009, 02:39 PM
Venus has all the qualities of a champion, someone who can win all four slams. The only mystery is should all slams be played in the second half of the season so that williams may win????

Double Fault
May 29th, 2009, 03:00 PM
I have not given up hope (yet) that Venus can win the FO one day. Maybe I am an eternal optimist. Who's to say? She did win the Year End Tournament last year after many tries.
Venus just played a terrible match today. It happens. No excuses. Can't blame the FO organisers (and I usually blame them if my tea is too hot) Bottom line Venus played badly today.

tennispassion82
May 29th, 2009, 03:03 PM
I have not given up hope (yet) that Venus can win the FO one day. Maybe I am an eternal optimist. Who's to say? She did win the Year End Tournament last year after many tries.
Venus just played a terrible match today. It happens. No excuses. Can't blame the FO organisers (and I usually blame them if my tea is too hot) Bottom line Venus played badly today.

i could not agree more with you Pal....Even i believe that the year end championships that eluded the champion for so long eventually came in her kitty, better late than never.....!
Hope she wins all four by the time she wraps up her career

Joseosu19
May 29th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Venus simply is not that strong on clay. End of quesiton. You can speak of all her clay court titles, but how many top players has she defeated in the past 5 or 6 years on the red stuff?

comfortably.numb
May 29th, 2009, 03:06 PM
For the last few years, the only surface she's really excelled on (consistently) is grass. It's not about being jinxed; she's just not confident enough in her abilities outside grass and her game just falls apart. I don't understand why though. She has the game to beat just about anyone on any surface.

ElusiveChanteuse
May 29th, 2009, 03:07 PM
:spit: This is like asking "Is Wimbledon jinxed for Justine Henin?" :p

jimbo mack
May 29th, 2009, 03:08 PM
1999 and 2004 were her best chances. as much as i would love her to, venus will never win the french open

Double Fault
May 29th, 2009, 03:12 PM
i could not agree more with you Pal....Even i believe that the year end championships that eluded the champion for so long eventually came in her kitty, better late than never.....!
Hope she wins all four by the time she wraps up her career
I really hope so as well. :) Never say never.

TennisViewer531
May 29th, 2009, 03:18 PM
I guess for those who have not won any Slams at all, this would be the question:

"Are All Grand Slams jinxed for [name of Slam-less player]?" :lol:

Edinboro
May 29th, 2009, 03:24 PM
Yes Venus is jinxed. And we can say the same thing for EVERY player whos played here many times before and never won. :rolleyes:

tennispassion82
May 29th, 2009, 04:59 PM
I don't think Venus will ever win an AO or FO, nor do I believe she'll win an USO again. I think she'll win, maybe two more Wimbledon's and a YE Championship.

I don't agree with you...!It took Venus 12 years to finally win the yearend championships. though, the player isn't getting any younger and a few years are left. but still i feel she can make it work in a couple of years, if she sticks around....:rolleyes:

Helen Lawson
May 29th, 2009, 05:01 PM
I honestly think there are only a few tournaments she really cares about winning, and I think we all know which ones those are and aren't. If she really wanted a RG title, she'd have it.

starin
May 29th, 2009, 05:05 PM
she's jinxed in the sense that she has played some truly awful tennis at RG. A lot of her worst performances and worst losses have come at RG.

InsideOut.
May 29th, 2009, 05:10 PM
No. She just happens to suck at the bad times and peak at the wrong times.

By the way. Doesn't this belong to Player Forums?

shell
May 29th, 2009, 05:20 PM
It is why there are GSs on different surfaces - to let different styles of play shine through. And Venus has a game that should make the transition, but I do not think she will ever win the French. Whether it is mental or skills, I don't know. But she just does not bring it on the red dirt. Hard and grass, she brings it on, and will be a contender on those surfaces until she retires.
















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taevaughn
May 29th, 2009, 08:40 PM
jinxed? nah vee just needs to be more patient on clay. i know shes running out of chances but it would totally be awesome if she could win rg before she retired.

tennispassion82
May 30th, 2009, 07:13 AM
jinxed? nah vee just needs to be more patient on clay. i know shes running out of chances but it would totally be awesome if she could win rg before she retired.

I hope so too. It's strange. Every Venus fan has one common thing in mind - The girl can lose to anybody, rankings, status, profile, it all doesnt matter. The key to every Williams match is how she performs. The level of unforced errors increases, Venus loses, the no. is low, Venus wins, whewther it's Serena on the other side of the court or Szavay......!

V's a star
May 30th, 2009, 08:01 AM
1999 and 2004 were her best chances. as much as i would love her to, venus will never win the french open

id say 2004 2002

blamoh
May 30th, 2009, 08:10 AM
Some people are acting as if she is the one player to have trouble with a particular surface. Some of the great players were unable to win on all four. very
well on the point. At least she won 7 grandslams
no matter from where, there are many tennis stars
who never reached semi-finals of grandslam.

LeonHart
May 30th, 2009, 08:11 AM
Well Venus was lucky to get to the French Open final once, IMO. She lacks the stamina to outlast a gritty claycourt match. The clay also neutralizes her power which results in longer rallies which means trouble for Venus. Serena at least can rally and be a bit more consistent mixed with power.

Calypso
May 30th, 2009, 08:23 AM
Its such a pity because she has the game to win on any surface.

But with the slow pace of clay, its easier to explain than her annual dissapointments in Melbourne. Well, as long as she keeps winning Wimbledon, its OK ;).

Calypso
May 30th, 2009, 08:42 AM
Well Venus was lucky to get to the French Open final once, IMO. She lacks the stamina to outlast a gritty claycourt match. The clay also neutralizes her power which results in longer rallies which means trouble for Venus. Serena at least can rally and be a bit more consistent mixed with power.

Lucky? I wouldn't say she was 'lucky' to reach the final in '02. I believe she had more stamina back then and was always a threat against anyone on clay.

You'll remember she recorded impressive wins against "clay court specialists" including Martina Hingis (in 3 sets in Rome) and even scored impressive wins against accomplished multiple French Open champions and Clay Court Rally-masters like Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario and Monica Seles (who she beat in straight sets enroute to her 'lucky' final in '02).

I agree with you though, that the surface takes the edge off her powerful shots, and is physically draining. At 28, its not as easy to play patient, long rallies as in her early 20s or late teens, when she had some of her best results on the surface.

young_gunner913
May 30th, 2009, 08:54 AM
get over it. she lost. :rolleyes:
she played like a hot tranny mess. we all saw it.
when she gets her head together and decides that she wants to play well, then she'll have a shot at winning.
until then, she's just warming up for wimbledon.

LeonHart
May 30th, 2009, 09:01 AM
Lucky? I wouldn't say she was 'lucky' to reach the final in '02. I believe she had more stamina back then and was always a threat against anyone on clay.

You'll remember she recorded impressive wins against "clay court specialists" including Martina Hingis (in 3 sets in Rome) and even scored impressive wins against accomplished multiple French Open champions and Clay Court Rally-masters like Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario and Monica Seles (who she beat in straight sets enroute to her 'lucky' final in '02).

I agree with you though, that the surface takes the edge off her powerful shots, and is physically draining. At 28, its not as easy to play patient, long rallies as in her early 20s or late teens, when she had some of her best results on the surface.

Yea she beat Sanchez-Vicario and Seles in 02', but that's only a couple of years before both pretty much retired from the game. She did do great in that match against Hingis in Rome 1999, but look what happened at the French the same year. So I rest my case :)

Btw, I really wouldn't exactly call Hingis a clay court specialist.

StephenUK
May 30th, 2009, 09:25 AM
I don't think I would call Venus jinxed as it is not like some hex has been put on her or something. She is just not good enough on clay. In her early years she was reaching the quarters or better every other year, but now she has lost in the third round four years out of five, so her results are declining. She will never win Roland Garros.

I do think she is jinxed in Australia because there is absolutely no valid reason why she underperforms there, seeing as it is on a hard court. Her results there just don't add up, other than it is her second 'misery slam' - she just doesn't flourish there.