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LudwigDvorak
May 28th, 2009, 11:33 AM
Hercog:

Saw her play Wimbledon '08 junior doubles last year and even then was impressed with her touch and volleys. Her singles results were absolutely dire for awhile and never saw her play, so I was unsure what would come of her. Out of all the players iPatty presented to me that were young/up and coming, Polona interested me most, and having seen her play singles against Rezai, I'm happy to say that my initial impressions weren't wrong.

I didn't see her venture to net much, but she's strong in the mid-court, and wasn't afraid to hit some traditional volleys, which was nice to see. In a way she reminded me of how Cornet should play--if you're going to play far behind the baseline pumping topspin inside out forehands, do it with some panache. Backhand slice is very well developed and she used it not just for defense but to open up the court. Patient, point construction is incredibly high even for veteran standards, and surprised by her defensive capabilities. Ultimately I could tell even in the first set that Rezai could blow her away if she could string some more shots together (she simply doesn't have much consistent power yet) but her game is fluid and can translate to any surface. I look forward to seeing her on grass and how she improves.

Rybarikova:

Had never heard much from her before and no idea what she played like. Immediately against Jankovic I noticed horrible backhand technique and follow through and knew it'd be a thrashing. Both groundstrokes are less than worthy and will prevent her from going too much further in the ranks unless she can work on beefing both up and managing to do more damage with the forehand in particular. Defense is average at best, but can slice, squash, and moonball her way to give herself a chance in the rally, much like Ivanovic. (I prefer watching Rybarikova's awkward wonkiness by far, though.)

She has so many shortcomings in her game, but I'm still somehow completely enamoured by her game. Perhaps it's because she reminds me of the classic style I love so much: backhand slice, slice approaches, serve and volley, net rushing in general, and the occasional big inside out forehand. Sometimes amazing first serve, very bad second serve.

All the drop shots, lobs, slices, traditional volleys, big forehands, scissor-kick backhands :lol:, I think I'm in love. She's losing badly, but her potential, especially on grass, is incredible.

In short, the future of women's tennis looks less than dire to me now. Some women actually do care to approach the net, hit real volleys, slice the backhand, and work points to utilize all-court tennis.

Привет
May 28th, 2009, 11:51 AM
Interesting read. :) I'm not as yet a huge follower of either player, but I look forward to seeing more from both and hopefully seeing both move up the rankings.

Juanes
May 28th, 2009, 11:52 AM
Rybarikova:

She's losing badly, but her potential, especially on grass, is incredible.


same feeling here..... i really canīt wait to see her Wimbledon result - i think it may be really great..... with her serve-volley style game...

Golovinjured.
May 28th, 2009, 12:12 PM
I agree with Rybarikova.


Willing to rush the net (and on clay!), dropshots, a nice backhand slice, though probably not as reliable as a backhand slice should be IMO, then again she was giving it a bit of bite, and trying to keep it really low. Some nice variety from her, and the jumping backhand is something not common on the womens game. It's great looking, though it doesn't always come off as intended. LOL.

Really looking forward to seeing her mature into a good, all-court player. :yeah:

Keadz
May 28th, 2009, 12:23 PM
Enjoyed watching Magda play, I knew a little bit about her before this match. I think I saw her play at the Aussie Open.

She has pretty good defense and can slide well on clay. Good volleys, probably could have served and volleyed a little more. Nice slice backhand and I like how she gets around the outside of the ball on her forehand and gets the ball curving into the court when she goes down the line. (Some how)

Good serve, but quite a low % of first serves today. Hopefully I get to see her on grass this year. She just needs to mature a bit, her shot selection was pretty awful and sometimes she just went for too much and got a bit panicky.

Shvedbarilescu
May 28th, 2009, 12:24 PM
Hercog:

Saw her play Wimbledon '08 junior doubles last year and even then was impressed with her touch and volleys. Her singles results were absolutely dire for awhile and never saw her play, so I was unsure what would come of her. Out of all the players iPatty presented to me that were young/up and coming, Polona interested me most, and having seen her play singles against Rezai, I'm happy to say that my initial impressions weren't wrong.

I didn't see her venture to net much, but she's strong in the mid-court, and wasn't afraid to hit some traditional volleys, which was nice to see. In a way she reminded me of how Cornet should play--if you're going to play far behind the baseline pumping topspin inside out forehands, do it with some panache. Backhand slice is very well developed and she used it not just for defense but to open up the court. Patient, point construction is incredibly high even for veteran standards, and surprised by her defensive capabilities. Ultimately I could tell even in the first set that Rezai could blow her away if she could string some more shots together (she simply doesn't have much consistent power yet) but her game is fluid and can translate to any surface. I look forward to seeing her on grass and how she improves.

Rybarikova:

Had never heard much from her before and no idea what she played like. Immediately against Jankovic I noticed horrible backhand technique and follow through and knew it'd be a thrashing. Both groundstrokes are less than worthy and will prevent her from going too much further in the ranks unless she can work on beefing both up and managing to do more damage with the forehand in particular. Defense is average at best, but can slice, squash, and moonball her way to give herself a chance in the rally, much like Ivanovic. (I prefer watching Rybarikova's awkward wonkiness by far, though.)

She has so many shortcomings in her game, but I'm still somehow completely enamoured by her game. Perhaps it's because she reminds me of the classic style I love so much: backhand slice, slice approaches, serve and volley, net rushing in general, and the occasional big inside out forehand. Sometimes amazing first serve, very bad second serve.

All the drop shots, lobs, slices, traditional volleys, big forehands, scissor-kick backhands :lol:, I think I'm in love. She's losing badly, but her potential, especially on grass, is incredible.

In short, the future of women's tennis looks less than dire to me now. Some women actually do care to approach the net, hit real volleys, slice the backhand, and work points to utilize all-court tennis.

Great description of both players especially Magda. You described perfectly how I feel watching Magda play. Yeah there are shortcoming and her technique does sometimes let her down but but the style and gracefulness is something quite beautiful.

I don't think Magda will ever make a great impact on clay but on grass she is like a panther. You actually describe it better than I could but it sure is an easy game to fall in love with. :lol:

I know people think I'm crazy when I say this and as it was never recorded their is no evidence one way or the other but I swear the match last year at Wimbledon between Magda and Monica Niculescu was the most entertaining tennis played the entire tournament. The two girls were perfectly matched up and they both seem to bring out the best in the other. This match had so many utterly crazy points it just left one breathless. Dropshots, lobs, slices, volleys galore, often many in the same point. It was entralling.

Slutiana
May 28th, 2009, 02:06 PM
Polona's game is LOVE. Love her kick serve as well, only about 3 other women can do it as well as her. :tape:

Natash.
May 28th, 2009, 08:35 PM
Both have very pretty games. If you can find it in her thread, try and watch Magda's match against Severine Bremond from 2007 Bratislava I believe. Amazing match.

Sally Todd
May 28th, 2009, 08:43 PM
Both have very pretty games. If you can find it in her thread, try and watch Magda's match against Severine Bremond from 2007 Bratislava I believe. Amazing match.

I have yet to see Hercog but enjoyed watching Rybarikova today -- both for her unorthodox game and because her expressions are hilarious.

It's nice to see a human being out there on the court.

Navratilova pointed out that Rybarikova has a game that would seem to work well on grass.

Corswandt
May 29th, 2009, 12:55 AM
Hercog:

Saw her play Wimbledon '08 junior doubles last year and even then was impressed with her touch and volleys. Her singles results were absolutely dire for awhile and never saw her play, so I was unsure what would come of her. Out of all the players iPatty presented to me that were young/up and coming, Polona interested me most, and having seen her play singles against Rezai, I'm happy to say that my initial impressions weren't wrong.

I didn't see her venture to net much, but she's strong in the mid-court, and wasn't afraid to hit some traditional volleys, which was nice to see. In a way she reminded me of how Cornet should play--if you're going to play far behind the baseline pumping topspin inside out forehands, do it with some panache. Backhand slice is very well developed and she used it not just for defense but to open up the court. Patient, point construction is incredibly high even for veteran standards, and surprised by her defensive capabilities. Ultimately I could tell even in the first set that Rezai could blow her away if she could string some more shots together (she simply doesn't have much consistent power yet) but her game is fluid and can translate to any surface. I look forward to seeing her on grass and how she improves.

Rybarikova:

Had never heard much from her before and no idea what she played like. Immediately against Jankovic I noticed horrible backhand technique and follow through and knew it'd be a thrashing. Both groundstrokes are less than worthy and will prevent her from going too much further in the ranks unless she can work on beefing both up and managing to do more damage with the forehand in particular. Defense is average at best, but can slice, squash, and moonball her way to give herself a chance in the rally, much like Ivanovic. (I prefer watching Rybarikova's awkward wonkiness by far, though.)

She has so many shortcomings in her game, but I'm still somehow completely enamoured by her game. Perhaps it's because she reminds me of the classic style I love so much: backhand slice, slice approaches, serve and volley, net rushing in general, and the occasional big inside out forehand. Sometimes amazing first serve, very bad second serve.

All the drop shots, lobs, slices, traditional volleys, big forehands, scissor-kick backhands :lol:, I think I'm in love. She's losing badly, but her potential, especially on grass, is incredible.

In short, the future of women's tennis looks less than dire to me now. Some women actually do care to approach the net, hit real volleys, slice the backhand, and work points to utilize all-court tennis.

The thread title sounds somewhat familiar. :scratch: ;)

Great stuff. Keep it up.

iPatty
May 29th, 2009, 12:59 AM
The thread title sounds somewhat familiar. :scratch: ;)

Great stuff. Keep it up.

Really? I don't think I've seen it before at all.

Lud you know my feelings on Hercog, so I'm glad that we can both see that she won't become a doubles specialist after it looked like she was destined for nothing but last year. ;)

Corswandt
May 29th, 2009, 01:02 AM
Really? I don't think I've seen it before at all.

Went to refresh my memory: it was "notes", not "thoughts".

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=351116

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=355203

charmedRic
May 29th, 2009, 01:20 AM
sweet. thanks for the info!

Daniela-Is-Mine
May 29th, 2009, 01:21 AM
I disagree where you say bothof Magdas wings are not great. Her forehand is very strong, it was off REALLY off against JJ today. He BH you summed up perfectly. Magda has grabbed a spot on my faves list as of late.
Cant wait to see her on grass and the fast american hardcourts!

Ryan
May 29th, 2009, 01:35 AM
Sounds like I need to see Rybarikova play. :drool:

LudwigDvorak
May 29th, 2009, 02:14 AM
I disagree where you say bothof Magdas wings are not great. Her forehand is very strong, it was off REALLY off against JJ today. He BH you summed up perfectly. Magda has grabbed a spot on my faves list as of late.
Cant wait to see her on grass and the fast american hardcourts!

That it can be so inconsistent when it's needed most shows me her forehand needs loads of improvement, particularly since it's supposed to be her kill shot from the baseline. It's a big shot, but she has to zone in on it JUST right, otherwise it's a mid-court floater with tons of air.

Her footwork and overall form are very poor, sometimes she just arms the forehand because she's so sloppy running left and right, especially right to her forehand. That's what I worry most for her on grass: if she can get herself in position I have no worries, but against enough opposition she can be run ragged and her lack of defensive abilities will be exposed further on grass than on clay where the moonballs and slices will give her a glimmer of hope of survival in a rally. I expect her game to overall be more solid and footed on faster surfaces, though, to where she won't need to be as defensive as she is on clay.

And thanks for the positive feedback. These were the first new players that have genuinely intrigued me since god knows how long, so I had to share my first impressions. Unlike Paszek, Wozniacki, Azarenka, these girls have games that genuinely appeal to me and I don't think they'll be one night floaters in my favorite list. It's kind of nice, because I was set in Elena being the last player I really cared about. :lol:

iPatty
May 29th, 2009, 02:33 AM
Went to refresh my memory: it was "notes", not "thoughts".

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=351116

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=355203

T'was sarcasm. Of course I remember your threads about notes on the Aussie Open and, while I haven't checked the links, I believe there were a couple on Bacsinszky and Kerber as well that I enjoyed.

Natash.
May 29th, 2009, 02:35 AM
Love Corswandt's notes on Cirstea. :drool:


Would like to see your opinion on Hercog or Magda or any other players in the French Open. :)

drake3781
May 29th, 2009, 08:28 AM
Watched first set of Hercog - Rezai and am very impressed with Hercog. I love watching her game. Wonder what went wrong in the next two sets....