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tonybotz
May 17th, 2009, 11:03 PM
Seeing Steffi play again had me yearning for a senior women's tour. who else would like to see the likes of novotna, sabatini, sanchez vicario, navratilova, seles, graf, playing against each other again? it would have to be better than the current tour!

~{X}~
May 17th, 2009, 11:06 PM
I would love a Women's Legends Tour, I wonder why they don't have one when the men do.

I would love to see:

Seles
Graf
Navratilova
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
Hingis
Pierce
Capriati
Davenport
Martinez
Sabatini
Evert

tonybotz
May 17th, 2009, 11:16 PM
it would be a huge success. big names, great matches..

CoryAnnAvants#1
May 18th, 2009, 12:29 AM
Jim Courier has mentioned that he has seriously thought about adding a 4 woman draw into all of the Outback Champions Series events next year (mens senior tour).

A womans senior tour wasn't feasible until now because many of the top female players from prior generations either stopped playing regularly or basically let themselves go physically. Many of the top former players from the 90s still have a high level of play and actually look in better shape than their tour days (Seles, Novotna, Date, etc).

CrossCourt~Rally
May 18th, 2009, 12:33 AM
I love the idea of having a womens seniors tour:bounce:. I think Jim could get the ball rolling next year with an intro 4 ladys draw to go along with the mens field :bounce:.

tonybotz
May 18th, 2009, 02:54 AM
hmm... monica seles was good friends with courier.. maybe we should send a letter to Mr. Courier...

Uranium
May 18th, 2009, 02:55 AM
I am surprised there hasn't been a Seles-Graf exhibition.

TennisViewer531
May 18th, 2009, 03:06 AM
That's a great idea! I wonder why no one ever pushed through with this... calling all the sponsors!

Привет
May 18th, 2009, 03:26 AM
I would love to see it! Anna K can play too! :D

pollison
May 18th, 2009, 03:34 AM
That would be amazing.
IF the men have it why cant the women have one!
The players mentioned would be sooooo much fun to watch

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
May 18th, 2009, 03:40 AM
I would love a Women's Legends Tour, I wonder why they don't have one when the men do.

I would love to see:

Seles
Graf
Navratilova
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
Hingis
Pierce
Capriati
Davenport
Martinez
Sabatini
Evert

I add Novotna.

It would great, but I wonder if Chris Evert could play. I mean, she's 54 going to be 55 this year having had three kids,while someone like Monica is -- 36? 37? Hingis even younger!

Chris plays at her academy, and always looks good playing her fundraiser, but the differences in ages between Hingis and Evert... I don't know if that works. I think McEnroe is starting to feel the age difference on the men's senior tour.

Although, maybe it could work for doubles...? Don't know. Just seems the age difference needs to be accounted for.

p.s. I do think Navratilova could play with the age difference -- but she hasn't had kids, plus she has kept playing throughout. Plus, she's super woman.

tommyk75
May 18th, 2009, 04:47 AM
They had something called the Virginia Slims Legends Tour for a short time, featuring Evert, Navratilova, Zina Garrison, Tracy Austin, and some others, as I recall. I don't think it was particulary successful.

tonybotz
May 18th, 2009, 05:14 AM
They had something called the Virginia Slims Legends Tour for a short time, featuring Evert, Navratilova, Zina Garrison, Tracy Austin, and some others, as I recall. I don't think it was particulary successful.

no disrespect to those players, but i think the ones we mentioned have huge fan followings. more so than the previous legends tour, which i remember, and was great!

darrinbaker00
May 18th, 2009, 05:53 AM
The thread starter is joking, right? People are barely paying to see in-their-prime women play today. There is no market, repeat, NO MARKET for a past-their-prime women's tour.

CJ07
May 18th, 2009, 06:04 AM
The Seles-Navratilova exo was sold out if I remember correctly.

If they did it in conjunction with the slams, I could see that working.

ChrisCologne
May 18th, 2009, 07:34 AM
I would say that a whole tour wouldn´t make sense.

But the key to it would be limiting it to just 6-8 occasions and invite those that really draw crowds.

Now, it would be: The 4 Grand Slams, and then 3-4 events all around the Globe that might be willing hosting. Not Miami or Indian Wells, but cities maybe, where former events had success like Houston or Boca Raton or whereever. The risk behind that would be though that such events might draw even higher crowds than the current WTA tour and that might be a huge obstacle for installing it.

Concering the stars, linking it with charity could draw some nice pairs as I predict they´d play it in doubles style. I would support those though that say mentioning 4-6 names would automatically arouse the criticism of those, whose favourite´s name is missing. So rather difficult. In recent times, Novotna or Navratilova even did play the senior Grand Slam events, but with names most of us forgot about, clear doubles specialists or those playing at the beginning of the 80ies.

If we -in here- would name a pair or at least players alone, we would add Graf and pair her (finally) with Navratilova, and let 6 other players allow to enter that made it in the 90ies. Why not teaming Sanchez with Martinez, Sabatini with Seles and Fernandez with Davenport?
Having started that, team Huber with Pierce, Capriati with Majoli, Novotna with Hingis and add a local team at the GS as an invitiation only:

- Tauziat/Halard-Decugis
- Molik/Bradtke
- Garrison/Gigi Fernandez
- a British team

Weemee
May 18th, 2009, 06:00 PM
God yeah... i would love to see the legends I grew up watching on telly!

Dave.
May 18th, 2009, 06:37 PM
I would say that a whole tour wouldn´t make sense.

But the key to it would be limiting it to just 6-8 occasions and invite those that really draw crowds.

Now, it would be: The 4 Grand Slams, and then 3-4 events all around the Globe that might be willing hosting. Not Miami or Indian Wells, but cities maybe, where former events had success like Houston or Boca Raton or whereever. The risk behind that would be though that such events might draw even higher crowds than the current WTA tour and that might be a huge obstacle for installing it.

Concering the stars, linking it with charity could draw some nice pairs as I predict they´d play it in doubles style. I would support those though that say mentioning 4-6 names would automatically arouse the criticism of those, whose favourite´s name is missing. So rather difficult. In recent times, Novotna or Navratilova even did play the senior Grand Slam events, but with names most of us forgot about, clear doubles specialists or those playing at the beginning of the 80ies.

If we -in here- would name a pair or at least players alone, we would add Graf and pair her (finally) with Navratilova, and let 6 other players allow to enter that made it in the 90ies. Why not teaming Sanchez with Martinez, Sabatini with Seles and Fernandez with Davenport?
Having started that, team Huber with Pierce, Capriati with Majoli, Novotna with Hingis and add a local team at the GS as an invitiation only:

- Tauziat/Halard-Decugis
- Molik/Bradtke
- Garrison/Gigi Fernandez
- a British team

I agree with you that they should have events at the Grand Slams (they do in doubles). But I think it would also be nice to have them at some of the current tourneys (some of which struggle as it is, so having a seniors event might help a bit). A pro-set singles tournament of 8-16 players would be ideal for me, with all those names being mentioned from the 90's and 80's.

The thing with having a doubles events is, you may aswell invite the best doubles players to participate. Sorry but Fernandez, Zvereva etc. are much better to watch play doubles than Capriati, A Huber and Majoli, even though they aren't perhaps as well known. If the event is individual then it's only really going to do well as a singles tourney. If it's part of a tournament (like the Wimbledon legends doubles, which does just fine with former doubles specialists playing), then doubles is usually a better choice.

volta
May 18th, 2009, 06:39 PM
I would say that a whole tour wouldn´t make sense.

But the key to it would be limiting it to just 6-8 occasions and invite those that really draw crowds.

Now, it would be: The 4 Grand Slams, and then 3-4 events all around the Globe that might be willing hosting. Not Miami or Indian Wells, but cities maybe, where former events had success like Houston or Boca Raton or whereever. The risk behind that would be though that such events might draw even higher crowds than the current WTA tour and that might be a huge obstacle for installing it.

Concering the stars, linking it with charity could draw some nice pairs as I predict they´d play it in doubles style. I would support those though that say mentioning 4-6 names would automatically arouse the criticism of those, whose favourite´s name is missing. So rather difficult. In recent times, Novotna or Navratilova even did play the senior Grand Slam events, but with names most of us forgot about, clear doubles specialists or those playing at the beginning of the 80ies.

If we -in here- would name a pair or at least players alone, we would add Graf and pair her (finally) with Navratilova, and let 6 other players allow to enter that made it in the 90ies. Why not teaming Sanchez with Martinez, Sabatini with Seles and Fernandez with Davenport?
Having started that, team Huber with Pierce, Capriati with Majoli, Novotna with Hingis and add a local team at the GS as an invitiation only:

- Tauziat/Halard-Decugis
- Molik/Bradtke
- Garrison/Gigi Fernandez
- a British team
:hearts::hearts::hearts::hearts:

hingis-seles
May 18th, 2009, 08:33 PM
I am surprised there hasn't been a Seles-Graf exhibition.

I don't think this will ever happen.

The Dawntreader
May 18th, 2009, 08:45 PM
It'd be great to have the true forces of the 90's in action.

Graf
Sabatini
Seles
Novotna
Sanchez-Vicario
Martinez

It would be some tour worth watching.

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
May 18th, 2009, 09:15 PM
I agree that it would be fun to have the tour set up like the legends in the 90's did theirs - team Graf v team Seles like they had team Navratilova v team Evert. By the way, I don't remember reading that the 90's tour wasn't a success. I thought it got a lot of interest, and certainly the reviews I read of it were great.

It's gotta be LEGENDS leading the tour -- Graf, Seles, even Martina N, just like Courier has on his tour. Now, they have Agassi for one match in Oct, and I read on Google that a group was at Wimbledon this weekend expressly trying to entice Agassi on board for more of the seniors tour. I tend to doubt a promoter could get Graf aboard -- unless they became a MAJOR donating "partner" for her foundation.

As for the current players having troubles selling tickets -- I think that's true for many reasons. Fed/Nadal with Djoker and Murray are playing some great high quality tennis nearly every time they meet. Whether people know much about them or not, they know that something special is happening right now in the men's game.

The women's game just isn't as interesting at the moment outside of Serena and Venus and maybe Shrieka. How many people on the street in the US even know who Dinara Safina is (unless they've seen a Google headline on why she's a weak number 1!). Where are the contrast in personality and playing style that the average person is aware of in women's tennis?

It's too bad, as I've always preferred the women's game. But this weekend, I chose Rafa/Djoker over Dinara v Patty.

Spartan
May 18th, 2009, 09:58 PM
Could be a good idea.
I'd definitely pay to see Pierce back in action. :hearts:

Sammm
May 18th, 2009, 11:33 PM
I am surprised there hasn't been a Seles-Graf exhibition.


I think there's still too much bad blood between them for this to happen.

Volcana
May 18th, 2009, 11:58 PM
Seeing Steffi play again had me yearning for a senior women's tour. who else would like to see the likes of novotna, sabatini, sanchez vicario, navratilova, seles, graf, playing against each other again? it would have to be better than the current tour!I think you would discover very rapidly that the level of play wasn't nearly as good as the current tour.

As for age differences, surely there would have to be some kind of cut-off. Hingis playing on the senior women's tour? I can imagine Courier now, picking as his initial four players Hingis, Kournikova, Henin and Clijsters.

If it were an over-35 thing, I could go for that.