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Ksenia.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:07 PM
What a match :worship: Almost 3 hours :eek:

Congrats Caro!

Russianboy
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:07 PM
so pissed :o

-VSR-
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:07 PM
Caroline has a great game! I love her backhand up the line! She's growing on me!

Effy
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
:woohoo:

MaBaker
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
:speakles: :crying2:

Roookie
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Lena :help:
Caro :wow:

Kworb
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

new-york
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
:worship:.

grab the title.

Adal
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Caroline :hearts: Totally predicted her to win the title, so she better do it now.

Michael!
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Elena :weirdo:
Great fight in 2nd set, but too many UE´s again in tight situations :o

DownTheLine21
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Incredible. Not high-quality throughout, but both women gave a tremendous effort. They fought so hard until the end.

Andrew Laeddis
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Caro :yeah:

It shouldve been 6-4,6-2 though. :o

Valanga
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Caro should have won it easier.

Ferg
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Aww crap.

ElusiveChanteuse
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
Should have ended much earlier Caro.:o But still a learning experience for you and on top of all, a great win!:hearts: :woohoo: :banana: Please win the title and be the Queen of Green Clay this season.:rocker2:
Lena :hug: :p

Marionated
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:08 PM
It was Lena's match to lose, and she lost it.

Credit to Wozniacki. I don't like her game, but many players would of just self-destructed after losing such a lead. She stuck in there.

Craig.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Elena :hug: Can't be too disappointed with this as she was down 5-2 in the second set anyway. Great fight.
Work on your backhand tho :weirdo:

WD Caro.

Ellery
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Lena :silly: :weirdo:

Congrats Caro.

-NAJ-
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Wozniacki:clap2::clap2::clap2:


great winner on last MP:worship:

2moretogo
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Oh my... go Caroline!!!

VIKA?
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Go Caro:)

AnomyBC
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Yessssssssssss!!!!!! :bounce::banana::woohoo:

PS - But it should have been 6-4, 6-2!!! WTF Caro??? You almost blew it!!! :eek:

Michael!
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

weak sign for the level,
10 winners are enough to win a 3 set match!

Elenarulez
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
I am so pissed.

nevetssllim
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
:sad::sad::sad:

Elena did so well to come back from 5-2 and 40-0 down in the second set and great mental toughness from Caro as well. I mean, another player, who threw away a massive lead would have probably lost the third set 6-0 or 6-1.

ElusiveChanteuse
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

:o Real stats or just bitter that a pusher wins over a crappy player like Lena?:ras:

Sexysova
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:09 PM
Lena proves she's a mental midget :o

congrats Caroline :banana:

strawberry.babou
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Wow, that was a bad match. Lots of choking. Make sure you take the title now, Caro.

kaktusino
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Bad luck.

winners - 34 18
errors - 67 41

Yes, she's not pusher

Elwin.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:10 PM
This was a great match :yeah:
Happy for Caro, she just kept fighting. I honestly thought she lost it after she lost the 2nd set. But she proved me wrong :yeah:

Queen Lena :awww: :hug: :sobbing: A great effort this match!

oleada
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Elena :o All that fight only to lose again. Not too surprising as she always struggles with players with strong backhands who get a lot of balls back.

Only 10 winners in 3 sets :help:

FORZA SARITA
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

ES showed this:
Elena: 34 67
Caro 18 41

:tape:

Andrew Laeddis
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:10 PM
weak sign for the level,
10 winners are enough to win a 3 set match!

Im pretty sure Caro hit more than 10 winners and more than 15 UEs.

Inger67
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

Oh please, those numbers are not right. Seriously everyone that thinks she has no game should have watched that match today. She forces the errors by getting to EVERYTHING. She has a great backhand and great passing shots. Her dropshots were pretty good too. I predicted her to make the F but lose to Vee :sad: But Caro for the win! Top 10!

Andreas
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:10 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

Hahano.

34-18
67-41

I am so proud to be a Caro fan :hearts: She made a huge comeback after missing those 3 mps in the 2nd set.

I am so happy :hearts:

I dare to say it's her greatest win so far. Especially considering the circumstances and how the match went!

joão.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Congrats, Caro! :worship:

Lena :confused:

saul1333
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM
lena defeated herself. i am so upset.

most of lena's unforced errors were either really long, really wide or in the net.

~{X}~
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Go Caro, please win the title now!!!! :D

saul1333
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM
lena defeated herself. i am so upset.

most of lena's unforced errors were either really long, really wide or in the net.

Kworb
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM
ES showed this:
Elena: 34 67
Caro 18 41

:tape:

I was just guessing, seems I wasn't too far off:tape:

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Caroline should've won 6-4 6-3 at least.... if not 6-2 6-3. But I'm still amazed that she could find the mental reserve to come back in the third. Simply stellar.

Andreas
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM
Lol at everyone believing Kworb's home made stats :lol:

SVK
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:12 PM
Caroline:worship::yeah:

Great match, huge nerves, but thankfully good end:lol:

Elena:hug:
Great comeback in second:yeah:

Dexter
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:12 PM
I just knew Lena would comeback in the 2nd set, and I knew Caro would eventually win the 3rd. :lol: (similar scenario to what happened between Caro & Sveta in Miami, but roles reversed here).
Well done Caro! :D

Calliope.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:12 PM
Caro :woohoo: :worship:

-NAJ-
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:12 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

wrong stats;)

mr_burns
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:13 PM
lena....seasons gets worse...can't beat top players since jsnuary

Viktymise
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:13 PM
Lol at everyone believing Kworb's home made stats :lol:

And 18 winners is that much better for a 2hr45 match? :help:

Dodoboy.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:13 PM
Caroline should've won 6-4 6-2 at least.... if not 6-2 6-2. But I'm still amazed that she could find the mental reserve to come back in the third. Simply stellar.

Totally agree with the last bit that was deleted!

:haha:

This is the most excited and involved i have ever been with Caro!

Unbelievable! Unbelievable!

Few players could have produced the third set she does! HER DAD is a geniius!!!!!!

Soo excited!

Omg Caro WELLL DONE! WELL DONE ! WELL DONE!

ahhhh!! Really did so well to get this!!!!!


:nerner: :nerner:

Sexysova
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

maybe Elena, but Caro had more ues..

nevermind.. I really like Caro's game a lot, she's like JJ for me, not a ballbasher (I love them) but something special, sth between ballbasher and pusher :D I really like you a lot Caro, pls win the title :D

Miss Atomic Bomb
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Owned :woohoo: :woohoo:

Mikey.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Finally :sobbing: Win the title now bbz :D

hablo
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:14 PM
I was cheering for Dementieva. She had brain cramps at the wrong times. :o

Congrats to Wozniacki, I suppose.

Dodoboy.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Biggest win of her career, it can't be argued! So glad she learnt from the Serena match in Sydney! She's ready for the big girls :armed:

fish_wilson
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:15 PM
Down with the dinosaurs! Great job Caro. Now only lisicki have to do her part and we get a great finale on sunday.

slamchamp
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:15 PM
OMG!!!:mad:

squig2k
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:16 PM
elena :( really disappointed
ahh thought you wouldve done it, lots of opportunities in 3rd set.
kept going to her BACKHAND!!!!!!!! = lose the rally

Aleksandrina
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Congrats, Caro! :worship::worship: :hearts: :bounce:

Andreas
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:16 PM
And 18 winners is that much better for a 2hr45 match? :help:

Tennis is not only about hitting winners.

Caro played great, got everything back, got Elena out and running.

She deserved this win, and I don't care if she hit 100 or 10 winners, she still played great.

LCS
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

Talk about pushing :mad:

Elena :(

allrounder
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:16 PM
Well done Caro. Lena gifted her the first set with so many UE's but she did pick up a bit in the latter part of the 2nd and made it a decent match.

Alex72
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Great recovery Caro, congrats!

:woohoo:

Viktymise
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:17 PM
Caro's game a lot.... sth between ballbasher and pusher

Yeah, a moonballer.

Marionated
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:18 PM
Lena needs to get more out of her first serve.
She's 5'11, but it's so uneffective.

moby
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:18 PM
Impressive. Caro has a smart game. She gets a fair amount of action on her topspin moonballs, which make them hard to attack. Just needs to get more depth sometimes when she's defending. Nadal had that problem too when he was starting out.

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:18 PM
This is the most excited and involved i have ever been with Caro!


hehe, same... this was a roller coaster ride. At 6-4 5-3 40-0 I really thought Caro had it in a bag. Then Dementievea wins 6 games in a row and all of a sudden she's up 1-0 in the third. Then I really thought Caro was going to lose because who can come back from having been up 5-2 with 3 match points and then losing the set? Apparently Caro can :hearts:

kaktusino
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Caroline should've won 6-4 6-2 at least.... if not 6-2 6-2.

No she shouldn't. Elena played too solid after 5-2 in second set. Maybe except game at 5-4 when Caroline served 3 doubles.

kaktusino
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:21 PM
At 6-4 5-2 40-0

Caroline had 3 MP's on Elena's serve, at 5-3

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:21 PM
Pushing def. Tennis. As expected.

Lena could only blame herself. When she was going for her shots Wozniacki was nowhere to be found but bathroom break ruined her momentum :smash:

Caro, 2 winners in the second set, 18 winners in 34 games including two fluke second serve aces and accidental passing shot on fifth MP :worship:

wondoka
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:22 PM
Fantastic! I'm so proud to be a fan of both girls! Now go and get the title Caro. :bigclap::bigclap::bowdown::bowdown:

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:22 PM
No she shouldn't. Elena played too solid after 5-2 in second set. Maybe except game at 5-4 when Caroline served 3 doubles.

Actually I meant 6-4 6-3 or 6-2 6-3. Sorry my bad.

Effy
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:22 PM
why everyone is expecting loads of winners? :o

spiritedenergy
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:23 PM
:eek:::woohoo:

Sexysova
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:23 PM
Yeah, a moonballer.

not really.. I saw just a couple of moonballs, mainly in defence..

Noctis
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM
Demented Fans Use this for New Signature

Every Slam BUT HA No DEMENTIEVA

bandabou
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM
The girl is good good..I thought she was a goner after she blew that second set, but she hung in there. The next generation is already there..first Azarenka and now Caroline. Nice.

Monica_Rules
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM
Great win for Caroline.

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM
Caroline had 3 MP's on Elena's serve, at 5-3

yep you're right. Brain fart on my part :)

I edited my posts...

DimaDinosaur
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:25 PM
Fuck. Oh well. Congradts Caroline

Dodoboy.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:25 PM
hehe, same... this was a roller coaster ride. At 6-4 5-2 40-0 I really thought Caro had it in a bag. Then Dementievea wins 6 games in a row and all of a sudden she's up 1-0 in the third. Then I really thought Caro was going to lose because who can come back from having been up 5-2 with 3 match points and then losing the set? Apparently Caro can :hearts:

I know! She was so aggressive at times with her 2nd serve :speakles: Her BH is going to win her matches - but as her career develops her FOREHAND will make her matches EASIER. Caro became a WINNER machine at 2-3 15-0 then Elena was a winner machine, and Caro dealt with that so well. I really can't believe this _ i thought it was going to be 1-6 or 2-6 in the last set.

Noctis
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:25 PM
Every Slam BUT HA No DEMENTIEVA

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:26 PM
After losing to a player who made one winner each 10 minutes , any player should rethink about getting a new job

oleada
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:26 PM
why everyone is expecting loads of winners? :o

I'm not. It's Wozniacki. :o :p

In all seriousness, I don't expect players to hit winners every other shot, nor do I like it (I'm a fan of JJ, Aga, etc), but Wozniacki seems to hit less winners than any of the top 50ish players. It's like push-push-push and I normally hate it when people say that about players, but in her case it's accurate, imo.

That said, great win for her and congrats. Most players would have faded after losing the second having match points. :shrug:

jjcrew#1
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:27 PM
way to pull that one out caro!!! :bounce:

Petkorazzi
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:27 PM
After losing to a player who made one winner each 10 minutes , any player should rethink about getting a new job
You also claim you watched this right? :hearts::wavey::kiss:

Dodoboy.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:27 PM
So many bitter people :drive:

'Accidental' passing shot :confused:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:30 PM
You also claim you watched this right? :hearts::wavey::kiss:

On Direc Tv Latin America

I also have tennistv.com :)

The coward gutless pushing tennis won, that is what I watched

hablo
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:31 PM
After losing to a player who made one winner each 10 minutes , any player should rethink about getting a new job

What's up with your avatar? Are you laughing at JCF? :p
I haven't been on mtf to see the latest news. :o

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:32 PM
What's up with your avatar? Are you laughing at JCF? :p
I haven't been on mtf to see the latest news. :o

Juanqui won Casachallenger last week . 12th title :D

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:32 PM
'Accidental' passing shot :confused:

she had zero control over that shot, she was lucky the ball landed inside the court

hablo
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:32 PM
Juanqui won Casachallenger last week . 12th title :D

Nice. :lol::banana:

saul1333
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:32 PM
i don't know how many winners caro had for the match but on espn2 they showed she had 9 after the first 2 sets.

The Daviator
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:33 PM
Caroline get so much unfair criticism, she goes out there and wins, she's doing it week in, week out, all credit to her.

Tennis isn't just about hitting winners, she keeps her error count low, which is refreshing in a tour full of UE Queens.

hablo
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:34 PM
she had zero control over that shot, she was lucky the ball landed inside the court

You had a hard time giving Momo any credit when she beat Dementieva in Paris (I can't remember you giving her any at all actually). You are a bit sore loserish when Elena, eh? I don't blame you: it's a natural reaction! :p

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:34 PM
You also claim you watched this right? :hearts::wavey::kiss:

The match lasted for three hours + Wozniacki hit 18 winners = 1 winner per 10 minutes in average.

hablo
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:35 PM
The match lasted for three hours + Wozniacki hit 18 winners = 1 winner per 10 minutes in average.

How about you being mad at Elena for hitting ridiculous errors? :o

I was cheering for her and couldn't believe the brain cramps. Carolina played well but Lena, well... :help:

Jarl_02
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:35 PM
I'm happy and sad becuase I love them both!

Lunaris
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:37 PM
Pisspoor quality from both. Wozniacki's one-dimensionality shows itself even more on this surface. After a while watching her brainless retrieving becomes unbearable. Sometimes she opens up the court nicely but that's all she can offer. Dementieva was weak too, she didn't find anything in her game what would hurt Wozniacki on consistent basis. And sustaining sufficient level of play for the whole match to actually overcome Wozniacki from the baseline is nearly impossible, unless you can hit the ball hard enough to penetrate Wozniacki's defense with ease. Dementieva can't.

Myggen
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:37 PM
So much for Caro saying she was so tired after Ponte Vedra. Don't believe a word that she is saying. She is worse than Jankovic.

saul1333
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:37 PM
title of thread should be Dementieva def Dementieva because that is pretty much what she did.

Effy
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Caroline get so much unfair criticism, she goes out there and wins, she's doing it week in, week out, all credit to her.

Tennis isn't just about hitting winners, she keeps her error count low, which is refreshing in a tour full of UE Queens.

good post.

i don't get all this hatred towards Caro.

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Come on guys, you can't call it a "fluke" every single time Caroline beats at top 10 player. Have some dignity.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Caroline leads head-to-head against Dementieva (a top 3 player) 55 games to 53 and Caroline is still the new kid on the block. Obviously it cannot be all luck...

Dementieva wins 7-6(3) 6-2
Dementieva wins 2-6 6-4 7-6(4)
Wozniacki wins 7-5 6-4
Wozniacki wins 6-4 5-7 7-5

Archer16
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:40 PM
Great drama and a very good match, far better than what the winners-UEs count (the ES one :)) seem to suggest.
Great comeback from Dementieva (2-5 down, 3-5 and 0-40, 4-5 and 0-30 against serve although the 2 Caro DFs there helped a lot), and an amazing resilience and calmness in the decider from the teenager, well done. :worship:
Of course I want Elena to win, but can't be to upset with Caro taking it (now take the title!). Would have been a different story if that was RG semifinal or something ;)

Dodoboy.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:40 PM
:haha:

This is merciless!

ahyen
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:41 PM
good for caro. now all dementieva haters can celebrate.

FoxyliciousKhat
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:41 PM
OMFG CARO YOU DID IT :bounce::bounce::bounce:

I'M SO STOKED! I thought she had lost this after the second set meltdown

Congrats!:worship:

BLNT LenaD :hug:

Foxy

HardCandy
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Expected on clay.
Dementieva isn't much of a shotmaker hence crazy errors against someone who brings everything back.
Now I hope Lisicki wins.

Petkorazzi
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:43 PM
On Direc Tv Latin America

I also have tennistv.com :)

The coward gutless pushing tennis won, that is what I watched
Ugh you're so biased. :o But you're a Dementieva fan so no wonder. :shrug: Finding a non-biased Dementieva fan is as rare as the snow in Africa. :bigwave:

Craig.
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:45 PM
Ugh you're so biased. :o But you're a Dementieva fan so no wonder. :shrug: Finding a non-biased Dementieva fan is as rare as the snow in Africa. :bigwave:

Bitch :tears:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:46 PM
Ugh you're so biased. :o But you're a Dementieva fan so no wonder. :shrug: Finding a non-biased Dementieva fan is as rare as the snow in Africa. :bigwave:

I dislike pushers (Rawanska , Simon , Cañas , Wozniakci ) . What I can tell you ? . I will never congratulate a player like those mentioned after a win :shrug: , I can´t

Inger67
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:46 PM
good for caro. now all dementieva haters can celebrate.

Seems like that would be appropriate since everyone and their mother cheered when Vee lost early to Lisicki. What comes around goes around. :):devil:

bandabou
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:48 PM
I don't think that Caroline just brings balls back...she brings them and put them at such manner that you can't do much with it. She reads the game well.

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:49 PM
You had a hard time giving Momo any credit when she beat Dementieva in Paris (I can't remember you giving her any at all actually). You are a bit sore loserish when Elena, eh? I don't blame you: it's a natural reaction! :p

How about you being mad at Elena for hitting ridiculous errors? :o

I was cheering for her and couldn't believe the brain cramps. Carolina played well but Lena, well... :help:

1) I'm not a fan of Dementieva. I was a fan of Myskina.
And I did criticise Lena a lot. I was probably the only one over here saying she played like shit throughout the whole AO while everybody was drooling over her easy wins over Cibulkova and CSN. I've been saying her game is regressing for three months now.
2) I do think Lena is extremely one-dimensional player and rarely (if ever) thinks on court which is shocking as she is a very intelligent person off court.
3) Still, inlike Wozniacki, she tries to PLAY tennis and win on her own.
4) Unlike Dementieva, Wozniacki is supposed to be a future of women's tennis and when I see such future I want to live in the past.
5) As for Amelie, I enjoyed watching her on grass though I don't like single-handed BH and I find her FH an extremely ugly shot. I didn't give her much credit for Paris win because I really don't think she played great. Better than in 2008? Yes. But not even close to her best. Her opponents were slumping, just look at their results after that tournament. And Amelie herself had poor results at the following events.

Effy
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:49 PM
i like Lena and respect SOME of her fans, but guys, don't ya think you should give credit to Caro? :shrug:
we all know what a fighter Lena is, and how she plays 3 setters :)

Jean-Henri
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:49 PM
This was one of the most impresssive comebacks I've seen for quite a while.
It's rare to see Caro's body language and attitude so negative as in the first 4 games of 3'rd.
After the bathroom break, she gradually started to put Elena out of control again.

It's great to watch how smart a player caro is. Yesterday she destroyed Virginie by keeping her from the net with a variety of weapons. Today it was all about keeping Elena from baseline control by lots of crosscourt shooting.

Lunaris
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:50 PM
Ugh you're so biased. :o But you're a Dementieva fan so no wonder. :shrug: Finding a non-biased Dementieva fan is as rare as the snow in Africa. :bigwave:
:lol: @ your signature

hankqq
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Parts of this match were played well. Obviously some games were a mess, but I think Wozniacki had a good strategy. She tried to return aggressively on Dementieva's serves, but without overhitting. This helped her set the point up in rallies and immediately put Dementieva on the defense. She did this very well in the 1st set, the beginning of the 2nd set, and the end of the 3rd set.

Additionally, Caro picked on Elena's backhand, which is the weaker side. Some of Caro's balls jammed Dementieva, which resulted in an error. I've noticed that most of the players who beat Dementieva more than once usually have a better backhand than her, and can get errors from her in crosscourt backhand rallies.

I wrongly assumed Caro would collapse after losing 6 straight games, but she held her nerve, and that should be applauded. The fact that she managed to tire Dementieva out a bit in the 3rd set (she was stretching her leg a lot and she even limped during 1 changeover) is impressive. Not a lot of players can wear down Elena like that.

Well done Wozniacki :bigclap:

Archer16
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:54 PM
Ugh you're so biased. :o But you're a Dementieva fan so no wonder. :shrug: Finding a non-biased Dementieva fan is as rare as the snow in Africa. :bigwave:
I am a Dementieva fan and I believe I'm quite objective. There are many of us here. SNLD is not a fan, he's a troll, and on my very short ignore list. I don't know why some of you bother to read him, let alone quote him.

I don't think that Caroline just brings balls back...she brings them and put them at such manner that you can't do much with it. She reads the game well.
She sure does. Anyone who thinks this was a fluke or that she isn't top-10 material doesn't know what he's talking about.

ahyen
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:55 PM
I don't think Caro is a pusher. She hit good winners in 3rd set.

hablo
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:57 PM
1) I'm not a fan of Dementieva. I was a fan of Myskina.
And I did criticise Lena a lot. I was probably the only one over here saying she played like shit throughout the whole AO while everybody was drooling over her easy wins over Cibulkova and CSN. I've been saying her game is regressing for three months now.
2) I do think Lena is extremely one-dimensional player and rarely (if ever) thinks on court which is shocking as she is a very intelligent person off court.
3) Still, inlike Wozniacki, she tries to PLAY tennis and win on her own.
4) Unlike Dementieva, Wozniacki is supposed to be a future of women's tennis and when I see such future I want to live in the past.

Fair enough for the stuff I didn't put in bold. ;)

Is tennis just about hitting winners? That's what your statement I highlighted in bold implies. Elena plays brainless bashing tennis. When the winners don't land in the court, it's real ugly. If only she could learn to construct points and not just go cross court all the time... Her groundstrokes don't seem as lethal as they used to be either. :help:

Carolina plays the game more intelligently. Sure she's playing alot of defence at times but with time, she might develop more aggressive shot-making (like Nadal who I can't stand but he's not as defensive as he used to be... :o). :shrug:

Bingain
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM
Congrats Caro.
Too bad, Lena.

I consider it a good (thou not great) match. Those who paid to buy tickets to watch it should find it fulfilling and satisfying. Both players deserve to win the match. There are many nice rallies, and some (mostly from Lena) beautifully constructed points. Both players displayed uncompromising spirits. It's hard to imagine that this match would be determined at the final service game.

It's a tough loss for Lena, but it's probably the biggest win for Caro because, like others have stated, most would have self-destructed in the third set after a huge lead and letting 3 MPs go.

I also don't understand why some people (esp those who have watched the match) call Caro a moonballer. There were maybe a handful of moonballs from her in desperate situations. That's it. Counterpuncher, may be. But she moves Lena around, and Lena moves her around, so you see two woman running crazily while trying to either hit a winner or make the opponent hit errors. It's good tennis, IMHO.

Petkorazzi
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM
I dislike pushers (Rawanska , Simon , Cañas , Wozniakci ) . What I can tell you ? . I will never congratulate a player like those mentioned after a win :shrug: , I can´t
You need to put in your head that low number of winners ≠ pusher.

Judging by how you judge, Caroline is a pusher, but Lena is an error machine. Of course, pusher would win. :bigwave:

hankqq
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM
oh and another thing-because Wozniacki continued to aim at Dementieva's backhand, we saw Elena get impatient several times, run around her backhand, and go for broke on an inside-out forehand. Sometimes she hit a winner, sometimes she hit an error, but often she just left the deuce court open for Caro to hit a down-the-line backhand winner.

Caro is a smart player :shrug: She knew all of Dementieva's tendencies, and took advantage of them. :yeah:

wondoka
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM
This was one of the most impresssive comebacks I've seen for quite a while.
It's rare to see Caro's body language and attitude so negative as in the first 4 games of 3'rd.
After the bathroom break, she gradually started to put Elena out of control again.

It's great to watch how smart a player caro is. Yesterday she destroyed Virginie by keeping her from the net with a variety of weapons. Today it was all about keeping Elena from baseline control by lots of crosscourt shooting.

Well spoken! :)

Destiny
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM
Jumps full on into the bandwagon :woohoo:

Come on Caro take them down win it now don't care how :)

Willam
Apr 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM
Dosnt matter, Bartoli FTW.

miffedmax
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:00 PM
Caro did what she had to do. She played the smarter match. And she has a fucking coach. Lena finally changed her tactics, but too little too late.

Lena did help her out way too much. Very disappointing, especially after having a chance after Caro blew the second set.

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:01 PM
I don't see why it's so much better to

- Hit a clean winner

than

- Make a tricky shot that forces the opponent to make an error


Both will win you points so both are "winners" in my eyes.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:03 PM
You need to put in your head that low number of winners ≠ pusher.

Judging by how you judge, Caroline is a pusher, but Lena is an error machine. Of course, pusher would win. :bigwave:

Low number of winners + lack of risky in your game + lack of speed in your balls + 80% or more of your shots at 3/4 = pusher

If you like it , no problem . As for me , I don´t like it

hablo
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:04 PM
Just noticed that you edit your post.

5) As for Amelie, I enjoyed watching her on grass though I don't like single-handed BH and I find her FH an extremely ugly shot. I didn't give her much credit for Paris win because I really don't think she played great. Better than in 2008? Yes. But not even close to her best. Her opponents were slumping, just look at their results after that tournament. And Amelie herself had poor results at the following events.
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Amélie played her best that she's played in a while at that tournament. She's worked on her serve and her movement is back and yes her forehand was better too. But I agree to disagree. :shrug:

Amélie's opponents may have been slumping but she wasn't beating slumping players in 2007 & 2008, so I think she's making baby steps.

She may never play as well as she did in 2006 (or prior) but even when Amélie was playing her best she would get beaten by up-and-comers. If you were a Momo fan you would realize Momo's never had consistent results or maintained a consistent high level à la Hénin? :o

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:05 PM
Low number of winners + lack of risky in your game + lack of speed in your balls + 80% or more of your shots at 3/4 = pusher



more like

Low number of winners + lack of risky in your game + lack of speed in your balls + 80% or more of your shots at 3/4 + better overall performance = charleston finalist

Ciarán
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:06 PM
Congrats Caro :bowdown:

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:08 PM
Fair enough for the stuff I didn't put in bold. ;)

Is tennis just about hitting winners? That's what your statement I highlighted in bold implies.

Carolina plays the game more intelligently. Sure she's playing alot of defence at times but with time, she might develop more aggressive shot-making (like Nadal who I can't stand but he's not as defensive as he used to be... :o). :shrug:

No, tennis is not about just hitting winners but tennis is not about NEVER going for them either. C'mon, do you really think hitting 1 winner each 10 minutes is normal? Really? And it's not just one match. Wozniacki ALWAYS plays like this, she is as one-dimensional as Lena but she somehow gets labeled an intelligent player.
She NEVER produces courageous tennis. That's what I can't stand.

Petkorazzi
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:12 PM
Ugh, winners are overated. Forced errors, anyone? :wavey:

дalex
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:13 PM
No, tennis is not about just hitting winners but tennis is not about NEVER going for them either. C'mon, do you really think hitting 1 winner each 10 minutes is normal?

Maybe she does go for a winner but the opponent is so fast that at least puts her racquet on the ball. Dunno, I didn't watch the match, only a few games, but I really doubt Caroline just stands there and pushes balls back over the net.

Congrats, Caro.

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:14 PM
PUSHERWOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN:o:o:o:o

Dodoboy.
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:14 PM
Caro played a good match! How can that be argued because she wasn't ballbashing?

She was incredibly smart and there were some spells of pure agression from her. The bout of aggresion 2-3 15-0 down in the third is what we'll see more of hopefully. Maybe she could have finished the match playing that well, but Elena stepped it up.

miffedmax
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:14 PM
FWIW, Caro used her backhand very effectively to end some critical points today. That twern't pushing.

She did play a very smart game, but by the same token a lot of Lena's errors were pretty inexcusable. As with an match that goes 6-4, 5-7, 7-5, this could have very easily gone the other way. Of course, Caro could have also very easily finished it out at 6-4, 6-2.

I dreaded this matchup from the start and said so. Whether you want to call her a "pusher" or a "smart" player or both, Caro, like JJ and Nasty, is the kind of player who gives Lena fits.

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:16 PM
No, tennis is not about just hitting winners but tennis is not about NEVER going for them either. C'mon, do you really think hitting 1 winner each 10 minutes is normal? Really? And it's not just one match. Wozniacki ALWAYS plays like this, she is as one-dimensional as Lena but she somehow gets labeled an intelligent player.
She NEVER produces courageous tennis. That's what I can't stand.

You don't think her comeback today was courageous? You seem to completely ignore the mental side of what she did today. Most players would have faltered after that second set comeback from Dementieva, but Caroline is a fighter and never even considered throwing in the towel. She might not be the most technical player yet but her fighting spirit is up there with Serena's. I'm much more impressed with a player who, in lack of god-given talent*, can still triumph by way of sheer will-power and complete refusal to contemplate surrender even when defeat looks imminent. That mental toughness is also much harder to teach than strokes and what-not. You would know if you had engaged in any kind of competitive discipline on the highest level. On this level, the mental game is half the game. At least. When I look at a tennis match I pay as much attention to the mental game. All you seem to care about is "who has the most winners". Oh, if it was only that simple...

Dodoboy.
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:17 PM
No, tennis is not about just hitting winners but tennis is not about NEVER going for them either. C'mon, do you really think hitting 1 winner each 10 minutes is normal? Really? And it's not just one match. Wozniacki ALWAYS plays like this, she is as one-dimensional as Lena but she somehow gets labeled an intelligent player.
She NEVER produces courageous tennis. That's what I can't stand.

5-3 facing BP. Scorching BH dtl

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:23 PM
You don't think her comeback today was courageous? You seem to completely ignore the mental side of what she did today. Most players would have faltered after that second set comeback from Dementieva, but Caroline is a fighter and never even considered throwing in the towel. She might not be the most technical player yet but her fighting spirit is up there with Serena's. I'm much more impressed with a player who, in lack of god-given talent*, can still triumph by way of sheer will-power and complete refusal to contemplate surrender even when defeat looks imminent. That mental toughness is also much harder to teach than strokes and what-not. You would know if you had engaged in any kind of competitive discipline on the highest level. On this level, the mental game is at least half the game.

What comeback are you talking about?
She led with double break in both first and second sets and with a break in the decider.

miffedmax
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:25 PM
The other thing you have to give Caro props for is her fitness. Even most youngsters can grind with Lena, but she outlasted her. Lena needs a coach who can help her retool her game because her old approach of just running her opposition into the ground is going to be less effective as she approaches the big 3-0h.

Still, good fight from both of them, I like both of them, I still wish Lena had won. But I can live with Caro.

php1
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:25 PM
1st set, a few games... 1st (http://6215541389770.usercash.com)
2nd highlight (http://5051216588821.usercash.com)

Marshmallow
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:26 PM
I only saw the third set, but that was good. A brilliant AD for Women's tennis. Dementieva fought SO hard, but Wozniacki showed off her fight too.

According to Sam Smith, if she can just develop a bigger, more attacking forehand, she will be HUGE, and I agree. This girls is REALLY good, and thankfully not another headcase.

Her game has improved so much.

Dave.
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:27 PM
:bigcry: Elena :sad:


To make it even worse, Marion's title hopes are gone :(

cn ireland
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:27 PM
Congrats Caro:yeah:!

She did really well to win the match after losing the 2nd set:)!

Hope she wins the title now!!

Well done to Elena for fighting hard too.

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:28 PM
What comeback are you talking about?
She led with double break in both first and second sets and with a break in the decider.

Her mental comeback. You couldn't guess that from my post where I talk about the mental game at great length? Of course not. Because the mental side of tennis apparently doesn't even exist in your world. It's all about stats and numbers :lol:

darkangel23
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:29 PM
Caroline :bounce::yeah::worship::woohoo:

Win your second title in a row!

Derek.
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:31 PM
Caro! :worship:

Amazing fight!

Dodoboy.
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:32 PM
What comeback are you talking about?
She led with double break in both first and second sets and with a break in the decider.

How long have you been watching tennis?

How many players would put in such an effort in the third after blowing such a lead? Her attitude was great, i can't imagine anyone who wouldn't have bet against her after the second set and then again serving at 4-5.

bandabou
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:40 PM
Caroline's backhand is gonna be a huge weapon for her in the future. She played brilliant..kept pounding elena's backhand. Cross-court, cross-court..:lol:

spiritedenergy
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:43 PM
I think Caroline is benefitting a lot from Sven's coaching, i'm so jealous :fiery:
She may be a real threat at RG.

CloudAtlas
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:44 PM
I still don't understand why Caro inspires so much hate in people. Mostly from those who don't even watch a tennis match when their fav is not playing. She may be a "pusher" but she gets to balls that many those ranked above her would struggle to get and isn't a UE machine.

If her opponets cannot deal with a defensive game despite being ranked in the top 10 then they don't deserve to be called top players. Thank you and goodnight.

miffedmax
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:46 PM
Caro, as somebody remarked in the WWW thread, reminds me of a young Lena D. Many of the same strengths--only stronger off the backhand than the forehand--and some of the same weaknesses--that serve frightens no one. Today she did show some of the mental strength that used to be Lena's trademark. That's why Caro is one of the youngsters on my bench against what will be the darkest day in tennis history.

Dinayer
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:48 PM
showed who's the boss :hearts: :hearts:

keep it up!!!

spiritedenergy
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:48 PM
I still don't understand why Caro inspires so much hate in people. Mostly from those who don't even watch a tennis match when their fav is not playing. She may be a "pusher" but she gets to balls that many those ranked above her would struggle to get and isn't a UE machine.

If her opponets cannot deal with a defensive game despite being ranked in the top 10 then they don't deserve to be called top players. Thank you and goodnight.

Good looking + nice on court and off court + rumors of Nadal and Verdasco relationships + defeated 2 times in a row Dementieva = explosive mixture for TF General Message. If she wins a slam you will see things will be going to degenerate wildly.

terjw
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:54 PM
Fantastic win for Caro and a really exciting match. I'm so happy for Caro - the biggest win of her career to beat a #3.

I thought for sure - like Sam Smith - that she would lose that 3rd set 6-1 or 6-2 after she lost the 2nd set after being 5-2 up and also not converting any of those MPs when 5-3 40-0 up. Sam also talked of her as a top 5 player. And said when she improves her forehand - she'll really be somethimg.

Her father was pretty worked up in the break after that 2nd set and whatever he was saying to her didn't look nice. But it worked. Felt sorry for Caro then who wasn't saying much, and looked like she'd missed her chance, and Dad not pleased.

But then she won - and she actually won the match with a winning forehand DTL. :tape:

Josh.
Apr 18th, 2009, 09:56 PM
Elena 40 winners 60 UE
Caro 10 winners 15 UE

This stat shows the problem Elena has when she plays Caroline. Caroline uses consistency (I'm hesitant to say "pusher") as her major weapon and usually Elena is the consistency factor in all her matches. I'm starting to dislike Caro, but I can't figure out why. :lol:

doujyr
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:00 PM
FUMING :fiery:

Cannot believe how poorly Elena played, against the same opponent!!! The real Elena would dispose of Wozniacki in straight sets, yet loses to her again. :rolleyes:

saul1333
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:01 PM
ok after a long run to bring me back from near suicide.

:sad: poor lena. I almost expected her to break back at the end. Of the break points lena missed 5 were bh unforced and 2 were fh unforced.

caro hit some good bh winners so that's ok.

lena's first 4 tournaments she is 19-2, her last 4 she is 7-4. hopefully she picks it up.

The Dawntreader
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:02 PM
Epic match. I tuned in with Caro up a double-break up in the second at 3-0. Dementieva was just spraying errors for the first two sets, getting absorbed into these laborious rallies with Wozniacki and just not being aggressive enough. I could think of a ton of balls that Elena just allowed back into the rally, thus neutralising any chance of finishing. Caro was moving the ball around ok, but it was hardly dynamic shot-making that got her into a 6-4 5-2 lead. Then again, that's what we've come to expect from the Dane. Safety first, unless in absolute dire need.

When Elena got back the break, she started playing the tennis she should've been playing from the start. She was hitting her return early, started moving Caro around, and even started coming forward. She even had the confidence at one stage to start hitting her backhand DTL- yes i know Max, i was stunned too:lol:

The thing with Elena is that she can't seem to build on momentum very well. Yes sure Wozniacki competed well and arguably lifted her game, but Elena just didn't tighten up her game at all. Her timing left her on the backhand in the third, and again she just got frustrated by her inability to finish points with the forcefullness that she can. It's bad for Elena when she's losing out in the majority of long rallies, especially forehand to forehand. That's usually the forte of Dementieva.

However Caro is a good scrapper and her backhand did produce some nice winners, but i did feel that if she was facing someone with a less inhibited baseline game, she would've found it much harder. Still a fully deserved win, and a career best.

pwayne
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:02 PM
Congratulations to Caroline. She showed some mental toughness in the final set after blowing that double break lead and 3 match points(all on Elena's serve at Caro 6-4,5-3 in 2nd). Most players would have faded away. Caroline will win tomorrow but she has a tough match with Sabine. The match will be on Sabine's racquet but it will be interesting to see how Sabine react when Caroline get to her winners.

doujyr
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:03 PM
I still don't understand why Caro inspires so much hate in people.

I didn't think much either way about her until that incident in the 1st match vs Elena when she made Elena wait to serve at 4*-3 deuce in the 2nd set, going back to her chair to fiddle with her racquet strings. Such blatant cheating tactics. Then last weekend taking the timeouts in the match vs Vesnina disrupting her, but was fine to go and play a long doubles match later.

Now I really hope she loses.

miffedmax
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:11 PM
I didn't think much either way about her until that incident in the 1st match vs Elena when she made Elena wait to serve at 4*-3 deuce in the 2nd set, going back to her chair to fiddle with her racquet strings. Such blatant cheating tactics. Then last weekend taking the timeouts in the match vs Vesnina disrupting her, but was fine to go and play a long doubles match later.

Now I really hope she loses.

Frankly, I'm more irritated that after 10 years on the tour Lena still lets that kind of crap get to her (just like Pierce in '05, and I think the delay today while the fan was treated messed with Lena a little was well, even if the effect weren't immediately obvious). Blah blah blah REAL COACH blah blah blah...

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:12 PM
I didn't think much either way about her until that incident in the 1st match vs Elena when she made Elena wait to serve at 4*-3 deuce in the 2nd set, going back to her chair to fiddle with her racquet strings. Such blatant cheating tactics. Then last weekend taking the timeouts in the match vs Vesnina disrupting her, but was fine to go and play a long doubles match later.

Now I really hope she loses.

lol you keep bringing that up. Yet how come you don't bring up Dementieva getting a warning for talking with her mother during play in the same match? Caroline is one of the few players who uses natural gut strings and natural gut strings tend to become unstable and break easily, especially under humid conditions. And incidentally it was an extremely hot and humid day when they played that match. You really think Caroline fiddled with her strings to piss off Elena? That's like me saying Elena was talking to her mom to piss of Caroline.

As for her timeouts against Vesnina. Caroline was suffering from heat strokes. A doctor came on court and took her pulse (after she started throwing up, there's pictures of the doctor taking her pulse) and she said that if Caroline's pulse increased any further it could threaten her health. She also adviced Caroline to quit. Caroline refused and luckily she got better as the match progressed. In an interview she said that towards the end of the match she felt fine, and that's why she played that double match afterwards.

Of course I expect you to ignore all of the above... it's hard to change someone's mind when they've already made it up.

It's all in your head.

hablo
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:12 PM
No, tennis is not about just hitting winners but tennis is not about NEVER going for them either. C'mon, do you really think hitting 1 winner each 10 minutes is normal? Really? And it's not just one match. Wozniacki ALWAYS plays like this, she is as one-dimensional as Lena but she somehow gets labeled an intelligent player.
She NEVER produces courageous tennis. That's what I can't stand.

She hit the winners when they mattered most (with her bh dtl) and Lena had no answers (and looked shocked to see her opponent hit them).

AnnaK_4ever: tennis is also about forcing the error and Carolina likes to wait in the rallies. Maybe Lena needs to learn how to do this. Too bad her game is a bit predictable (crosscourt, crosscourt). Plus, as some other posters pointed out, Caro attacked Lena's bh consistently. For a one-dimensional player she sure had a good idea how to play against the Ruskie. ;)

For me, there is use for players like Carolina who know how to defend and frustrate the hell out of their opponent.

DragonFlame
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:15 PM
I´m glad i turned my tv off after the first set. I just knew it would turn out this way. Such bad play on her breakpoints, hitting easy returns out, and her backhand was appauling. She just couldn´t hit a backhand down the line to save her life. Pretty much every single time it went at least a meter wide or in the middle of the net... The serve was pretty much a non-factor, i didn't see improvement at all.

Lena screwing up yet another match against jankovic version 2. Bleh... If you can't beat wozniacki in tournaments like this, NO WAY are you beating jankovic in a french open semifinal.

The only thing that gives me hope is that this was green clay and luckily not red clay.
PLEASE pick it up on the red dirt. :o

Lunaris
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:16 PM
I still don't understand why Caro inspires so much hate in people.
Defensive style of play is rarely pleasing for eyes, in every sport. Chelsea got a lot of criticism under Mourinho for their performances. Despite winning a lot their game wasn't attractive as it was based mainly on defense. They broke PL record by not conceiving a goal for who knows how many minutes always winning 1-0. Boring yet effective play. San Antonio Spurs, probably the most successful NBA team in the last decade also known for their incredible defensive skills. I am sure many fans sided with Phoenix because of their flowing offensive play with many points scored, yet Phoenix lost majority of their matches against the Spurs. Wozniacki is similar case and as such is bound to receive a lot of criticism.

JadeFox
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:17 PM
I still don't understand why Caro inspires so much hate in people. Mostly from those who don't even watch a tennis match when their fav is not playing. She may be a "pusher" but she gets to balls that many those ranked above her would struggle to get and isn't a UE machine.

If her opponets cannot deal with a defensive game despite being ranked in the top 10 then they don't deserve to be called top players. Thank you and goodnight.

Oh honey, just embrace the hate. It's a sign that she's winning. :p

Vamos Caro! Take this title! :rocker2:

bandabou
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:20 PM
It's good...when you out-consistent Elena D...you must be doing something good.

yukon145
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:24 PM
should have been 6-2, 6-2 but great fight Caro! please take the title tomorrow. and then take a few weeks off to rest...

doujyr
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:28 PM
You really think Caroline fiddled with her strings to piss off Elena?

Well it was a MASSIVE coincidence that she chose to do it at 4*-3 deuce. And not at any other time. There was also a coach break just before and it wouldn't surprise me if her father suggested it.

spiritedenergy
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:28 PM
lol you keep bringing that up. Yet how come you don't bring up Dementieva getting a warning for talking with her mother during play in the same match? Caroline is one of the few players who uses natural gut strings and natural gut strings tend to become unstable and break easily, especially under humid conditions. And incidentally it was an extremely hot and humid day when they played that match. You really think Caroline fiddled with her strings to piss off Elena? That's like me saying Elena was talking to her mom to piss of Caroline.

As for her timeouts against Vesnina. Caroline was suffering from heat strokes. A doctor came on court and took her pulse (after she started throwing up, there's pictures of the doctor taking her pulse) and she said that if Caroline's pulse increased any further it could threaten her health. She also adviced Caroline to quit. Caroline refused and luckily she got better as the match progressed. In an interview she said that towards the end of the match she felt fine, and that's why she played that double match afterwards.

Of course I expect you to ignore all of the above... it's hard to change someone's mind when they've already made it up.

It's all in your head.

Don't bother:hug:. Next thing they will say is: when my fave is a pusher she's cool, when Caro is a pusher she's fake:lol:

simonsaystennis
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:31 PM
Way to pull it out Caro! :D

Lulu.
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:33 PM
Should of been a 6-2 6-2 win. :tape:

kman
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:39 PM
Well it was a MASSIVE coincidence that she chose to do it at 4*-3 deuce. And not at any other time. There was also a coach break just before and it wouldn't surprise me if her father suggested it.

Yes I don't see why it wouldn't be a coincidence. If you've paid attention to Caroline's matches her strings are often causing her problems (I think it was after the Dementieva match she actually wrote on her blog that she was trying out new strings, probably synthetic ones, so I don't know if she's changed since then). It's not the first time she goes back to her chair to adjust them (first time she got a warning for it though I think). Only reason you noticed it this time was because Caroline did it at a point where you felt it put Dementieva at a mental disadvantage. I'm not making excuses for what she did. It was still wrong but if I was in a situation where my strings were causing me problems and I felt I might lose the next point if I didn't do something about it, I might have done what she did as well in a moment of frustration. It wasn't right. But neither was Dementieva talking with her mom and I don't see you bringing that up. And seriously, Dementieva should be experienced enough to deal with such a minor offense. Look what a mental disadvantage Caroline overcame today. And you're telling me Dementieva can't handle having to wait 10 more seconds for Caroline to adjust her strings before serving? Federer has to wait 10 more seconds for Nadal to pull his shorts out of his ass before serving every goddamn point (though Nadal frequently gets warnings for taking too much time). But of course it was Caroline and her dad's evil masterplan put into effect. Puh-lease...

RenaSlam.
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:40 PM
Elena will never win a Grand Slam.

Nikkiri
Apr 18th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Wow, well done Caro. :)

morningglory
Apr 18th, 2009, 11:10 PM
:o

Emina.
Apr 18th, 2009, 11:16 PM
Congrats Caro well done!!!:worship:

Elena, :hug::hug::sad::sad:

pav
Apr 18th, 2009, 11:36 PM
Well done Caro! Hell, Lackofwinnerphobia is still a happening thing!

Ben.
Apr 18th, 2009, 11:40 PM
:woohoo: So proud of you Caro :yeah:
Glad she was able to regroup after losing those MP's in the 2nd set while up 5-3.
Hopefully she can win her 2nd big title on the tour tomorrow & break into the Top 10 :D

Lena :hug: she fought well though.

tea
Apr 18th, 2009, 11:44 PM
One match to go!:D

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 18th, 2009, 11:47 PM
She hit the winners when they mattered most (with her bh dtl) and Lena had no answers (and looked shocked to see her opponent hit them).

AnnaK_4ever: tennis is also about forcing the error and Carolina likes to wait in the rallies. Maybe Lena needs to learn how to do this. Too bad her game is a bit predictable (crosscourt, crosscourt). Plus, as some other posters pointed out, Caro attacked Lena's bh consistently. For a one-dimensional player she sure had a good idea how to play against the Ruskie. ;)

For me, there is use for players like Carolina who know how to defend and frustrate the hell out of their opponent.

Hablo, don't delude yourself. The reason Wozniacki concentrated on backhand-to-backhand rallies has very little to do with Dementieva's game. Wozniacki always does it because she can't hit proper forehand to save her life. She just matches up with Dementieva well as Lena's backhand is not a weapon.
It's not about Wozniacki "having a good idea how to play Dementieva", it's about Wozniacki not having any other ideas and tools.

moby
Apr 18th, 2009, 11:50 PM
Hablo, don't delude yourself. The reason Wozniacki concentrated on backhand-to-backhand rallies has very little to do with Dementieva's game. Wozniacki always does it because she can't hit proper forehand to save her life. She just matches up with Dementieva well as Lena's backhand is not a weapon.
It's not about Wozniacki "having a good idea how to play Dementieva", it's about Wozniacki not having any other ideas and tools.To be fair, if Elena were the better player, then she would have drawn Caro into forehand-to-forehand rallies instead.

The argument goes that Elena matches up poorly against players with strong backhands (Myskina, Jankovic, now Caro) and weak forehands because they pin her to the backhand corner. We all know Elena has a good forehand. Why doesn't she dictate with her forehand?

SAEKeithSerena
Apr 18th, 2009, 11:53 PM
i am loving her!


great win!

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 18th, 2009, 11:59 PM
To be fair, if Elena were the better player, then she would have drawn Caro into forehand-to-forehand rallies instead.

The argument goes that Elena matches up poorly against players with strong backhands (Myskina, Jankovic, now Caro) and weak forehands because they pin her to the backhand corner. We all know Elena has a good forehand. Why doesn't she dictate with her forehand?

Because she doesn't think on court.
She actually did it in the second set when she was 52 down -- and blew Wozniacki off the court in the next five games.

Pasta-Na
Apr 19th, 2009, 12:02 AM
:eek:

kman
Apr 19th, 2009, 12:12 AM
Hablo, don't delude yourself. The reason Wozniacki concentrated on backhand-to-backhand rallies has very little to do with Dementieva's game. Wozniacki always does it because she can't hit proper forehand to save her life. She just matches up with Dementieva well as Lena's backhand is not a weapon.
It's not about Wozniacki "having a good idea how to play Dementieva", it's about Wozniacki not having any other ideas and tools.

If you didn't watch her match against Razzano there's a QF wrap on

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/

(first video in the stack, just hit play, it's at the 01:35 mark)

Shows some great forehand winners from Wozniacki. And that was only a few of them.

But I guess that didn't happen even though it's right there on tape on the WTA front page? :)

frenchie
Apr 19th, 2009, 12:14 AM
Hablo, don't delude yourself. The reason Wozniacki concentrated on backhand-to-backhand rallies has very little to do with Dementieva's game. Wozniacki always does it because she can't hit proper forehand to save her life. She just matches up with Dementieva well as Lena's backhand is not a weapon.
It's not about Wozniacki "having a good idea how to play Dementieva", it's about Wozniacki not having any other ideas and tools.

But Caro played sooo differently against Razzano
Caro thinks A LOT on court that's a fact

She has several plans
Against Serena in Sydney, she was very aggressive because she knew she wasn't going to win just keeping the ball in play. Against Dementieva is another story. Her BH is weak so why not playing 90% on that side. It's a tactic that Myskina was using against Dementieva too

Caro has a great tennis brain:worship:

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 19th, 2009, 12:27 AM
If you didn't watch her match against Razzano there's a QF wrap on

http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/1/

(first video in the stack, just hit play, it's at the 01:35 mark)

Shows some great forehand winners from Wozniacki. And that was only a few of them.

But I guess that didn't happen even though it's right there on tape on the WTA front page? :)

First of all, it was a figure of speech.
Then, any amateur could push the ball over the net for that passing shot. What we saw in highlights was Caro moonballing her every forehand, and that's exactly what I call "can't hit proper forehand".

And big lol at "it was only a few of them". She hit a total of 10 groundstroke winners in the entire match, less than Razzano did :tape:

kman
Apr 19th, 2009, 12:32 AM
First of all, it was a figure of speech.
Then, any amateur could push the ball over the net for that passing shot. What we saw in highlights was Caro moonballing her every forehand, and that's exactly what I call "can't hit proper forehand".

And big lol at "it was only a few of them". She hit a total of 10 groundstroke winners in the entire match, less than Razzano did :tape:

Except that first forehand winner in the corner couldn't have been placed much better.

She hit at least 5 forehand winners in that match. That video only shows two. Hence "a few of them".

Nice save with the "figure of speech" though when I called you out on your bullshit :lol:

frenchie
Apr 19th, 2009, 12:37 AM
Why is everybody trying to create a tennis myth "She is a pusher" around Wozniacki??

We have a girl who can actually keep the ball in play and move the ball around nicely. Don't you find it refreshing instead of having an error fest between Na Li and Vaidisova????

Leave the girl alone. She's doing well and improves every day
And that's only the beginning so you should get used to see her name in the final

Brena
Apr 19th, 2009, 12:40 AM
got back from 0-1, 2-5, 00-40 down just to lose 5-7 in the third... ah, just another day in Dementeville... :sobbing:

Keadz
Apr 19th, 2009, 12:50 AM
It is a clay court match, you can't expect to hit more winners than errors a majority of the time, it just isn't going to happen. Caro played like she should have. Congrats to her :) Lena played like an idiot...it lost her the match.

Caro deserved the win :)

bandabou
Apr 19th, 2009, 01:10 AM
:lol: People wanna see go for broke style on CLAY???!!!

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 19th, 2009, 01:19 AM
It doesn't matter what surface Wozniacki plays on. She always plays the same tennis.

And yes, even on clay courts (especially on fast clay courts) a top-10 player should be capable to hit more than 2 winners in 12 games.

Btw, I never said Caro didn't deserve to win.

madlove
Apr 19th, 2009, 01:21 AM
dang... i really wanted elena to win this tournament..

Zojirushi
Apr 19th, 2009, 01:24 AM
Good fight from Lena, but just too many unforced errors..

Solid play from Wozniacki.

Balltossovic
Apr 19th, 2009, 02:19 AM
Go Caro:bigclap::bigclap::bigclap:

betowiec
Apr 19th, 2009, 02:44 AM
good stuff carol
way to regroup after that 2nd set ....

Danči Dementia
Apr 19th, 2009, 02:59 AM
:sobbing:


again Elena? :(

:sad:

Volcana
Apr 19th, 2009, 03:01 AM
Elena 40 winners 60 UECirca 2000 -- Elena Dementieva Williams

Do we have a new 'Wild Thing'? :)

Robert-KimClijst
Apr 19th, 2009, 03:07 AM
Good win for Caro. :) :) Sorry for Dementieva though. :( Wozniacki definitely thinks on court, though. She may not be a player with big weapons (she reminds me of a second-level Kim Clijsters, like with her backhand), but she always is mindful of who she is playing.

Caillou
Apr 19th, 2009, 03:34 AM
wow, that surprised me, good work caro!

KanSuke
Apr 19th, 2009, 03:36 AM
Amazing Caro :inlove:

Elena :hug:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:02 AM
Defensive style of play is rarely pleasing for eyes, in every sport. Chelsea got a lot of criticism under Mourinho for their performances. Despite winning a lot their game wasn't attractive as it was based mainly on defense. They broke PL record by not conceiving a goal for who knows how many minutes always winning 1-0. Boring yet effective play. San Antonio Spurs, probably the most successful NBA team in the last decade also known for their incredible defensive skills. I am sure many fans sided with Phoenix because of their flowing offensive play with many points scored, yet Phoenix lost majority of their matches against the Spurs. Wozniacki is similar case and as such is bound to receive a lot of criticism.

This Lunaris is good


San Antonio Spurzzzz :zzz: , Wozzzniacki :yawn:

About Chelski , Didier Drogba is a crack . That makes of Chelsea a worthy team :D

Dexter
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:54 AM
Her father was pretty worked up in the break after that 2nd set and whatever he was saying to her didn't look nice. But it worked. Felt sorry for Caro then who wasn't saying much, and looked like she'd missed her chance, and Dad not pleased.He basically tried to convince her that the match is not lost. Also he told her that there's no way she wins this match waiting for an error when she has a chance to close this out. Looks like she listened to his advise as she finished the match off on a winner.

fandy
Apr 19th, 2009, 06:56 AM
Finally!Pusher in to the final:yawn:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 19th, 2009, 07:32 AM
She has several plans
Against Serena in Sydney, she was very aggressive because she knew she wasn't going to win just keeping the ball in play. Against Dementieva is another story. Her BH is weak so why not playing 90% on that side. It's a tactic that Myskina was using against Dementieva too



Exactly. That's what pissed me off in that match. I had never seen her play that way before and she just had to bring it against Serena. But since we all know that she can play an aggressive game when she wants to I don't see the problem with her winning playing defensively. It's not her fault the Dementieva has no imagination when it comes to her backhand. And apparently Dementieva is the "Tennis Player" :rolls:

gmak
Apr 19th, 2009, 08:37 AM
lena :help: :rolleyes: she is nowhere near the player she was in January :(
very disappointing performance

caro deserved the win
good luck in final

Kim's_fan_4ever
Apr 19th, 2009, 08:41 AM
Caro :woohoo:
Wozniacki must really hate herself , why did she had to choke so badly in the second when she was completely in control of the match? :sobbing:
Anyway, good that she held her nerves in the 3rd :D Well done :rocker2: Good luck in the final!
Polish commentator kept on calling her Karolina Woźniacka :o So annoying, and he was cheering for her 99% of the time. Talk about bias :(

Princeza
Apr 19th, 2009, 08:47 AM
Caro :woohoo:


:haha:

Take the title now :kiss:

cherboy
Apr 19th, 2009, 08:49 AM
stupid lost for dementieva... so many UE!!! :tape:
hope wozniacki lost a bit of power for the final...
COME ON, SABINE!!!!!!!

A Magicman
Apr 19th, 2009, 09:00 AM
Woah, this match was so boring to watch.

Dunno if it's Wozniacki or Dementieva or both. I also fall asleep each time Dementieva plays Jankovic. 3 hours without highlights each time.

volta
Apr 19th, 2009, 09:10 AM
omg this thread is just hilarious :haha: love the bitterness :inlove:

Com' on Caro let's piss them more, Win the whole thing :hearts: :hearts::hearts: :inlove:

terjw
Apr 19th, 2009, 10:21 AM
He basically tried to convince her that the match is not lost. Also he told her that there's no way she wins this match waiting for an error when she has a chance to close this out. Looks like she listened to his advise as she finished the match off on a winner.

Thanks for that information. Our commentators weren't able to translate and were therefore just guessing what he might have said like the rest of us. The whole point of them being miked is so that we can know what's said. Eurosport ought to try to get someone who can translate and tell the commentators what is actually said.

I know lots of people don't like on-court coaching. But it's there and legal so all credit to Caro and her father for using it and for working her way back to win. :worship:

bjurra
Apr 19th, 2009, 10:40 AM
weak sign for the level,
10 winners are enough to win a 3 set match!

So what other players on the WTA tour are playing better at the moment?

Venus? Serena? Bartoli? Petrova? Safina? :haha:

Dodoboy.
Apr 19th, 2009, 11:59 AM
But Caro played sooo differently against Razzano
Caro thinks A LOT on court that's a fact

She has several plans
Against Serena in Sydney, she was very aggressive because she knew she wasn't going to win just keeping the ball in play. Against Dementieva is another story. Her BH is weak so why not playing 90% on that side. It's a tactic that Myskina was using against Dementieva too

Caro has a great tennis brain:worship:

Thank God someone brough up this match!
Caro was really agressive here against a player she HAD to be that aggressive to beat. She can beat most of the tour 'pushing'

miffedmax
Apr 19th, 2009, 12:21 PM
Everybody on the tour knows you can eventually break down Lena's backhand.

Everybody on the tour EXCEPT Dementieva knows you can eventually breakdown Caro's forehand. Lena played with no strategy AND hit a million UEs AND kept hitting to Caro's backhand. Frankly, it shouldn't have been this close.

Sigh. But I love her anyway.

rucolo
Apr 19th, 2009, 01:34 PM
Good win, Caroline!:hearts::woohoo::D;)

What a big fighter you are! Great attitude, Caroline!:worship:

I`m very happy!;)

What a nice last point, passing shot winner (forehand longline)!:eek::cool:
Could not have been any better to finish a match like this!:drool:

RenaSlam.
Apr 19th, 2009, 01:36 PM
Great win, Caro!

AnnaK4Ever :tape:...what the hell is wrong with you? :help:

LoveFifteen
Apr 19th, 2009, 05:18 PM
Who cares if Caro is a "pusher" or not ... that's all you need to beat Dementieva! :haha:

sweetpeas
Apr 19th, 2009, 05:53 PM
Who cares if Caro is a "pusher" or not ... that's all you need to beat Dementieva!

Right!

moby
Apr 19th, 2009, 07:09 PM
Who cares if Caro is a "pusher" or not ... that's all you need to beat Dementieva! :haha::lol:

Corswandt
Apr 20th, 2009, 12:12 AM
Lena D. is always so reluctant in going DTL, yet on this match she seemingly went for dozens of impossible DTL winners when out of position - and missed almost every single one. And insisted on her traditional potty break when she clearly had the momentum. Further signs of her tactical cluelessness.

Wozniacki seemed to play her best in all the decisive points - the sure sign of a supremely confident player - making excellent use of her serve in a number of key points. She took advantage of Lena D.'s inability to use her BH aggressively, and looped the ball deep for as long as it took. Lena D., not being the brightest bulb in the lamp, found no way to break the deadlock.

Unfortunately for Baby Woz, in the final she'd be up against someone who wasn't at all interested in feeding her with pace and letting her find a rhythm. :devil:

Brooks.
Apr 20th, 2009, 01:35 AM
Dementieva fans are so bitter :tape:

I was at the tournament all week, and I was very impressed with Caro's game. She has power and mixes up her shots very well. She's a very smart player. She's not a pusher at all. She plays excellent defense, but that doesn't mean she's a pusher.