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Ferg
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Sabine :eek: :woohoo: What a great win! 72% of 1st serves won! :worship:



Venus :hug: Served for the second set at 5-4 and was 3o love up, but Sabine won the next 7 points of 8 points, with the one she didnt win being her own DF. Tie break was decided on first serves.

The place in the semi's from that half is wide open now. Petrova, Bartoli, Lisicki and Vesnina having most chances i guess.


EDIT: Stupid me, i typed in the wrong score. Apologies. 6-4, 7-6 (5).

Adal
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:37 PM
:rolls:

Miss Atomic Bomb
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:37 PM
Patchy play from Venus, now rest up for the red clay Vee :hug:

Paris75
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Well done Sabine! :D

Craig.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Ffs. I am disgusted. Just disgusted. :o

joe87
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Well done Sabine! :hearts:

Donny
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Wtf?

DaMatz
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Sabine played so well :yeah:, really nice win :)

Kim's_fan_4ever
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
What a great win for Lisicki, fought back in both sets :worship: Big congrats!
Venus :shrug: I guess clay is really not your thing :shrug: :awww:

TomTennis
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
wrong score

SVK
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Well done Sabine:yeah:

Marcelo.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
:rolls:

New low :inlove: :clap2:


Venus :weirdo: :weirdo: :sobbing: :hysteric:

FORZA SARITA
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:38 PM
wow Sabine :eek:
Venus :(

RenaSlam.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:39 PM
:tape:

jamatthews
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:39 PM
Bye to the final??? :hehehe:

Marionated
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:39 PM
Fantastic win Sabine :worship:
Played so well, especially in the tie-break :hearts:

She has been so overlooked on here being one of the younger players :o

Blackbeat
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:39 PM
oh Vee!! Losing to this Sabine is shameful...baahhh

what a fuckin match!!

Lulu.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:39 PM
Excellent play Sabine! :D :eek:

Congratulations on the biggest win of your career. :yeah:

Craigy
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:39 PM
First time I've really seen Sabine play and I was so impressed! Definitely keeping an eye on her. :worship:

TomTennis
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:40 PM
IF it had to happen Im glad it happened here rather than at the French. These are the kind of matches which shows just why she hasnt won RG yet. She has to scrap out these clay matches even when she isnt at her best.

Not a great first week on clay for Venus and Serena.

hingis-seles
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:40 PM
Wins over Davenport and Venus now. That's something. Well done, Sabine! :D

Lunaris
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:40 PM
Good serving by Lisicki in the TB, held her nerves nicely there.

duhcity
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:40 PM
How is Sabine number 63?
I swear that was some of the best tennis i've seen this year.

cherboy
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:40 PM
WOW!!!! pretty amazing!!!!:bounce:
hope she can play a big role in german tennis!!!
today she WAS JUST TO GOOD FOR VENUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship:

colt13
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:40 PM
Weird match. Venus looked like she would run away with this early, but Sabine hit big and stole the first set. Same with the 2nd. And Venus served well enough to win.

Diesel
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:40 PM
:worship: Sabine :kiss:

Congrats and in two :bounce:

V-MAC
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:40 PM
Wow amazing tiebreak from Lisicki. Impressive how she really held her nerve so congrats to her on a much deserved win;)

Vee - green clay can be a nightmare surface so at least it is over now. bring on the red stuff:armed:

alwayshingis
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Fun match to watch.

I'm a new Lisicki fan!

darkangel23
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Sabine :worship:

Dexter
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Ajde German pocket-Ana! :hearts: So pleased for her, she really had her day and was in the zone for most of the match. Cute reaction at the end too and I think she shed a tear of joy under a towel too. :awww:

Green clay is now probably the easiest surface to beat Venus on. Whenever I've seen her play either here on in Amelia Island (which I admit wasn't too many times... maybe 3 or 4), she just looked awkward as if she had no idea how to move on it. Slow all the time resulting in poor timing .

LindsayRulz
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Sabine :worship:

Slutiana
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Penus Williams. :D


But seriously, IDK why she even bothers on green clay, she cannot play on it. It takes away her movement, is waay too slippery and she cant slide on it. Bring on the red clay. :o

Valanga
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
WOW Sabine :eek:

rickxx
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Excellent win for Sabine!So happy for her.She really deserved to win this match.And she was so happy too;)And I have to admit I started to like her.Go ahead, girl!

Nina.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Great play Sabine :bounce: and great comebacks in both sets! :yeah:

Venus :hug: good luck in Europe.

Craig.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Btw Sabine can play :eek:

DaMatz
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
oh Vee!! Losing to this Sabine is shameful...baahhh

what a fuckin match!!

:rolleyes: Oh my good, now people made this victory worse :help:

Mikey.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Great play from Sabine. :speakles: She strikes the ball so well. Good job. :yeah:

~Eclipsed~
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
wrong score dumbass! :fiery:

Sorry, i'm really upset right now. Vee had leads in both of those sets, she should have been able to pull one of them out.

I guess i'll be nice, Sabine was very positive and a good fighter with is commendable. She better follow it up for the rest of the tournament if she's gonna take out Vee.

Carsten
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Sabine :woohoo: HUGE win and a nice Match :D

dybbuk
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
:worship: Sabine.

Completely outplayed Venus. What a great win for her. And she was crying afterwards, it was a sweet moment.

ms_nut
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:41 PM
Clutch Serving from Lisicki in the TB..:worship::worship: No nerves at all... on her serve..

^bibi^
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Sabinette :hearts: :banana:

Ferg
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Shes such a nice girl, great interview!

Bayo
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Never in doubt. Sabine came out with the winner's attitude.

Venus is back to that passive play, I see. It's gonna be a long clay season.

rickxx
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Excellent win for Sabine!So happy for her.She really deserved to win this match.And she was so happy too:)

tobe
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:42 PM
woooooooow.. Thanks Eurosport for showing this live :p I'm so happy for Sabine!!! After all these close losses lately finally coming through this and NOT choking it away in the tb! Fantastic! And Venus played not that bad! Totally deserved!
Loved the reaction afterwards :hearts: so cute and honest

crazillo
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:42 PM
Good win for Lisicki. :D Hit way too many DFs though. :( Maybe a chance for revenge in the next round.

gmokb
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:43 PM
Only Venus... how in the hell she lost this match is beyond my understanding:confused:. She had comfortable leads in both sets. I love her but she sure can self destruct:mad:

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:43 PM
lisicki played really well. venus was up a break in both sets, she just could not handle the fight from sabine. venus needs to fix her transition game. she looked shaky with her movement. no confidence in moving. she would hit an aggressive shot, lisicki would hit it back and venus backed up. i was even expecting this loss. i guess it is a good loss because lisicki is a very good player and she was too tough for vee. and venus did not play horribly (she did not hit error after error), she did not play the key points well.

Ferg
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:43 PM
wrong score dumbass! :fiery:





YUMMY RESULT THOUGH DONT YOU AGGRE? :drool:

The Daviator
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:43 PM
Sabine :eek: What a serve she has, almost every point she won in the tb was with a service winner :eek:

Vee :hug:

Ryan
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:44 PM
Good stuff from Sabine. :eek: She really won me over, not from seeing her play ever, but from reading about her in Tennis Magazine. Bolliteri apparently thinks she's awesome - says she's an extremely good listener, nice girl, and really dedicated to improving on her weaknesses. :cool: Plus I heard she was pretty cute too, any pics from the match? :cool:

FoxyliciousKhat
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:44 PM
SORRY BUT VENUS IS AN IDIOT, PURE AND SIMPLE... THERE IS NO FORGIVING FOR THIS MESS.

Congrats to Sabine.

Foxy

VeeReeDavJCap81
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:44 PM
I knew this would be a mess, but believed Vee would pull through. Oh well, Vee plays better on red clay anyway I guess less slipping helps her footing.

Blackbeat
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:44 PM
:rolleyes: Oh my good, now people made this victory worse :help:

yeahh...look like Vee moved and played...sorry...

Even Martina Muller had a chance today...;)

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:45 PM
Wow, Sabine played amazingly well. This is the best performance I have seen from a young player on the WTA and I'm including Azarenka, Wozniacki, Pavly... and Radwanska. I hope she can keep this level of play going because she is definitely an exciting prospect.

Venus :hug: Didn't play well, the double fault at 30-15 5-4 in the 2nd set was costly. Her movement is also compromised on clay. She is too fearful to run all out and chase down a ball. Lisicki was hitting hard balls into the space but Venus looked slower than usual to chase the balls.

Just Do It
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:45 PM
Venus :( But Jankovic staying #4 :yeah:

sammy01
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:45 PM
well done sabine, great serving, also some clever angles and drop shots thrown in to add to the big hitting.

venus you just aint very good on clay anymore, movement was poor, not even attempting to run for some shots, off balance too much and just cant get enough free cheap points on serve.

simonsaystennis
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:46 PM
First time I've really seen Sabine play and I was so impressed! Definitely keeping an eye on her. :worship:

Me too! I felt bad rooting against her because she seems very likeable and has a pretty good game. Her drop shots were fantastic. :)

Venus :hug: Just gear up for the red clay. School them all at the French!! :devil:

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:46 PM
:woohoo: Sabine ;) :D :)
totally amazing :banana: :kiss: :woohoo:

tonythetiger
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:46 PM
I knew Lisicki would be dangerous and she played really well. That second serve was amazing and she went for her shots and took chances. Venus tapped those second serves over and stood still as Lisicki punished them. My day is ruined.

Oh well, I don't have to waste my time watching this match when I get home. Venus missed a golden opportunity to improve her ranking.

Ferg
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:46 PM
Why cant some fans of the top girls never give credit when lower ranked players have a great game? Its not hard and it doesnt make you seem like such a pissy sore loser. Just sayin.

fish_wilson
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:46 PM
Sabine played great didn't she? Aggressive all the time. Gotta love the spirit. This girl has passed completely under my radar but sure gonna look out for her now.

DaMatz
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:46 PM
yeahh...look like Vee moved and played...sorry...

Even Martina Muller had a chance today...;)

:lol: Nice joke. Müller had lost in straight sets, even today.

M.P
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:46 PM
somebody please put this on youtube...i really want to watch this
i want to watch her interview and she's crying !!

Congra Sabine!!!! another breakthought this year!!

Craig.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:47 PM
Anyone else really like Sabine? :hearts:

Orbis
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:48 PM
Not too surprising. Sabine can be dangerous and Venus can be a bit iffy on clay of any sort.
Congrats Sabine.

Valanga
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:48 PM
Oh yes, by the way, the TB was STUNNING.
Sabine's serve make venus sooooooo mad...especially the 2 service point at 4*-3

Sabine is confident enough to waste 2MP on venus's serve,
and the last mp, big serve, and venus hit it OUT.

anyway, Sabine, it's a good win, but I don't think you should waste that 2 points :o
otherwise it would be an ugly choking.

new-york
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:49 PM
she's back, the effin' Venus Williams.
get another wig asap.

well done Sabine.:worship:
Alain. :hug: :yeah:

Svetlana.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Sabina, great serve, great attitude and great win!!!

DownTheLine21
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Liscki usually manages to have a few good tournaments, but the consistency isn't there yet.

Elwin.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Sabine :eek: Great victory for her!!

Venus :shrug: :sad:

Nikkiri
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:51 PM
Sabine :D Well done :worship:

The Dawntreader
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:53 PM
First off, Sabine played an exceptional match. Her combinations on serve onto her groundstrokes were brilliant today, i've never seen someone get Venus that off-balance, so often for such a lengthy period of time. There was just no letting up. That serve has the potential to be a real weapon in the years to come. Incredible extension and wrist-snap. All in all, just too good.

Venus was strangely apathetic today, but a lot of that was to do with the depth of Lisicki's forehand in particular. She was in such a confused state as where to move, because Sabine has great disguise on her shots also. Some of those drop-shots were audacious to the max:lol:

I don't think Venus played a bad match per se, but perhaps too passive off the ground at times. Her footwork was similarly clumsy, not really in a good positon with her feet the whole match. Still, at least it took a mighty performance to finish her off.

nevetssllim
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:53 PM
Some of the angles created by Lisicki were just :drool:

~Eclipsed~
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:53 PM
YUMMY RESULT THOUGH DONT YOU AGGRE? :drool:

Look at my avy and tell me what you think. :ras:

AnnaK_4ever
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:53 PM
Venus loses the battle of ultimate ballbashers :sad:

I tried not to like what I was watching but I have to admit Lisicki was impressive today. Even though I miss real claycourt tennis.

The Daviator
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:54 PM
Anyone else really like Sabine? :hearts:

Wait until she becomes top 10 and all those 'c'mons' she shouts after every point will conveniently start to annoy people :angel:

Inktrailer
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:54 PM
Really enjoyed that, very impressed with Lisicki, haven't seen her play before. Nice and aggressive, confident and a few gorgeous drop shots. Doesn't waste time when she's on serve and thinks well too. Hope to see her have plenty of success!

pwayne
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:55 PM
Good win for Sabine. Now, the question is can she be consistent on a regular basis. Defeated Lindsay in 2008 at Fed Cup but could not string together any more significant wins.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Did anyone else think she sounded a bit like Seles? Albeit with the volume turned down!

Kampi
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:56 PM
yeahh...look like Vee moved and played...sorry...

Even Martina Muller had a chance today...;)

Hahaha, do you really believe in all the stuff you are talking about, hahaha!? Come on....nicht so einen Mist reden von wegen Martina Müller hätte heute einen Chance gegen Venus gehabt. :lol: Ist ja albern.:rolleyes::lol:

vwfan
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Never in doubt. Sabine came out with the winner's attitude.

Venus is back to that passive play, I see. It's gonna be a long clay season.I agree completely. Sabine was there to win; Venus wasn't!

Ah well. Congrats to Sabine and her fans. :)

tennisIlove09
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:56 PM
1 - get the score right. 64 76(5)

2 - Venus get your serve back. It's been MIA since Mexico

3 - I'd rather Venus lose her, than Paris

4 - Great win Sabine!

sammy01
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:57 PM
Wait until she becomes top 10 and all those 'c'mons' she shouts after every point will conveniently start to annoy people :angel:

no there pretty annoying now, at least she saves them for importantish points, not 1-1 0-15 lol

fish_wilson
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:57 PM
here are stats bobby:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h166/fish_wilson/st.jpg

DaMatz
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:57 PM
Wait until she becomes top 10 and all those 'c'mons' she shouts after every point will conveniently start to annoy people :angel:

She will not. She is a really fair player and I know other players who scream "come on", if the opponent plays a double fault for example :rolleyes:

shrOOf
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:58 PM
yeahh...look like Vee moved and played...sorry...

Sabine was just too good today. :)

Cute reaction in the end of the match. Well done Sabine, she deserves it. :yeah:

disco_rage
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:59 PM
Sabine outplayed Venus. Well done!

joão.
Apr 16th, 2009, 06:59 PM
Isn't the score, like, wrong? 7-6(5) or something?

Anyway, YES! Sabine :worship: :hearts: Well done!

The Daviator
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:00 PM
She will not. She is a really fair player and I know other players who scream "come on", if the opponent plays a double fault for example :rolleyes:

I like Sabine, I'm just saying :shrug: You can do anything on court if you're not top 20 and people won't hold it against you.

ElusiveChanteuse
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Someone please fix the score?:o

Well done Sabine!:eek: :worship:
Vee :o :smash: :shrug: :hug:

Officinale
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:01 PM
Wow! Sabine even hit a slice :eek: I am impressed!
It actually was the first time I saw her playing, and some of the angles and the dropshots she played were really :worship:

Uranium
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:02 PM
I like Sabine, I'm just saying :shrug: You can do anything on court if you're not top 20 and people won't hold it against you.

They can't hold it against a player when they rarely watch them as well.

sweetpeas
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:03 PM
Venus!

The Daviator
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:03 PM
They can't hold it against you when they rarely watch you as well.

That's what I'm saying, wait until she makes the top 10 and she'll get the Ivanovic/Jankovic/Safina treatment.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:04 PM
:D yay sabine

Dexter
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:05 PM
no there pretty annoying now, at least she saves them for importantish points, not 1-1 0-15 lolShe did pump her fist when Venus DFed. :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:05 PM
That's what I'm saying, wait until she makes the top 10 and she'll get the Ivanovic/Jankovic/Safina treatment.

she could get the ball toss from ana too...and keep it :lol:

gmokb
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:05 PM
I know Sabine played well but Venus helped her along the way. I don't think Serena would have lost this match.

Vanity Bonfire
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:05 PM
Pockit, your avatar is :hearts::hearts::hearts::hearts::hearts::worship:

Congrats Sabine!

Natash.
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:06 PM
Sabine! :worship: Huge win for you and thank god! Such a talented player and the game to go really high in the rankings. Great job. :)

DaMatz
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:06 PM
She did pump her fist when Venus DFed. :lol:

And what is wrong with that? Other players scream "Come on" over the court.

Effy
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Venus :awww: once again failure on clay
hope,she manages to play better at RG :unsure:

-VSR-
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:08 PM
Lammmmmeeeeee.

Craig.
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:09 PM
Wait until she becomes top 10 and all those 'c'mons' she shouts after every point will conveniently start to annoy people :angel:

Yeah, that kinda annoyed me too :lol: But I love her game.

VenusSerenaBlvd.
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:10 PM
venus needs to go to europe and just live and breathe red clay. the green clay does nothing but make venus look like she can't move well.

Cat's Pajamas
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Oh dear Venus. :weirdo:

Well I have to admit when I saw the draw, I figured Sabine would be trouble. It's kind of amazing to think Venus won this event in 2004 when she plays such shiteous tennis on green clay. The 'do has got to go otherwise this is going to be one HORRIBLE clay season. :help:

Congrats Sabine. :)

mk27
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Great match from Sabine :worship:

Aleksandrina
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:12 PM
Well done, Sabine!

The Dawntreader
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Wait until she becomes top 10 and all those 'c'mons' she shouts after every point will conveniently start to annoy people :angel:

I think that 'Adje' is more annoying than 'C'mon':p

Btw, love the avatar:hearts:

Sammm
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:13 PM
Rage :fiery:

Hoping for more success on the red stuff :hug:

Dexter
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:13 PM
And what is wrong with that? Other players scream "Come on" over the court.And where did I say there's something wrong. This kind of attitude made her feel comfortable and it made her keep belief in herself which resulted in keeping cool in the important moments.

DaMatz
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:14 PM
And where did I say there's something wrong. This kind of attitude made her feel comfortable and it made her keep belief in herself which resulted in keeping cool in the important moments.

it sounds the way ;)

Uranium
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:15 PM
Congrats to Sabine, she did say her best part of her game was her mental fight and it was clear coming back from breaks down in both sets. Her serve is good as well:p

Sexysova
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:16 PM
Venus, you suck on clay :hug:

Good job Sabine :yeah:

bobbynorwich
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:17 PM
here are stats bobby:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h166/fish_wilson/st.jpg

Thanks. Looks like biggest difference was on second serve points won (Sabine 50%, Venus 39%) but Sabine also was impressive on first serves won (76% over 70%). Didn't see the match, does she have a lot of power, spin, variety or what?

Nine year age difference ...

tdot.
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:19 PM
WTF VENUS!!!:fiery::fiery::fiery:

schorsch
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:19 PM
sabine "seles grunt" lisicki :speakles: :) wd

Wonderlander
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:20 PM
Too many bad loses from Venus this year
Does she still want to be n.1?

jefrilibra
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:21 PM
Venus was bad. GIGLI bad!

Venus .... your legs are there for a reason. Move them.

DaMatz
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:22 PM
sabine "seles grunt" lisicki :speakles: :) wd

:lol: grunting like Seles??? Never :lol:

JackFrost
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:22 PM
How is Sabine number 63?
I swear that was some of the best tennis i've seen this year.
Inconsistency.
The problem of most of the german girls.

The Dawntreader
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:22 PM
Too many bad loses from Venus this year
Does she still want to be n.1?

What 2?:lol:

Unless losing to the world number 1 is some disgrace:tape:

morningglory
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:24 PM
:mad:

josh3135
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:25 PM
This proves to me that the Williams Sisters are getting too old to be on court with all these young players.

A few years ago, a player like Sabine would've just laid down for Venus or Serena. Now they actually know they have a good shot at winning against the Overrated Sisters.

Zweli
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Sorry Vee,your serve was just not there.IMO,you can do better than that.Let her get the fame like they always do when they beat you.

hankqq
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:26 PM
well, obviously I'm disappointed Venus won't get back the #3 ranking this week :lol: and she certainly gave Lisicki lots of help today, but this isn't the worst loss :shrug: Lisicki is a very talented, promising player, and really, she should be top 15. Her main problem is consistency. I knew she would give Venus trouble, and it's more surprising to me that she lost to Wozniak last week :o :tape:

I'd like to see Sabine go all the way here, but more likely than not she'll probably lose to Vesnina in the next round :spit: I've been a fan of this girl since I first saw her play at the AO last year. Hopefully she can build off of this result and stop having random losses.

As for Venus, I hope this loss will give her more time to gear up for the red clay swing in Europe. Charleston is a nice event and all, but I'd rather see Venus do well on the red clay, since that's the surface on which RG is played :)

Mikey.
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:29 PM
sabine "seles grunt" lisicki :speakles: :) wd

IKR :lol: I totally heard it as well :angel:

danieln1
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:29 PM
Disgusting result... Venus is so unpredictable, but Lisicki is dangerous, as she beat Davenport last year at the fed cup

jefrilibra
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:30 PM
What 2?:lol:

Unless losing to the world number 1 is some disgrace:tape:

:lol:

Kai
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:32 PM
congrats Sabine :inlove: :yeah:

Marshmallow
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:39 PM
6-4 7-6(5)

Liscki did not win the last 7 of 8 points, is the quality of maths teach that low now?

Marshmallow
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:41 PM
Liscki played like a top 10 player in form, it was remarkable stuff. She played very well. If she played this well so often she wouldn't be ranked where she is. As ever some youngsters brings it for Venus.

Blackbeat
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:42 PM
Hahaha, do you really believe in all the stuff you are talking about, hahaha!? Come on....nicht so einen Mist reden von wegen Martina Müller hätte heute einen Chance gegen Venus gehabt. :lol: Ist ja albern.:rolleyes::lol:

Klar, hat Sabine gut gespielt, aber Vee war unterirdisch!!!

Allein wie sie sich bewegt hat, sagt schon alles!

Also sei nicht albern, Venus hat scheiße gespielt!

Fabunny
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Sabine outplayed Venus today and deserved her victory. Venus lead in both sets and got broken while serving for the set both times. It was very painful to watch

Wonderlander
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:46 PM
What 2?:lol:

Unless losing to the world number 1 is some disgrace:tape:

66% :p
And yeah that lose to Serena in Miami was pretty bad too:o

spartanfan
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:47 PM
I watched the first set and Sabine didn't do any thing special or exceptional. Venus just could not hit the ball into the court. If Venus had won Charleston she would have risen to #3 in the rankings. Seems like whenever she has a chance to improve her ranking she just pisses it away. Good grief. It's gonna be a painful clay court season for us Williams Sister fans.

Marshmallow
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:49 PM
I didn't think Venus was that bad in set two, but she could have served better at 4*-5 30-0... The sun in her eyes didn't help much. Liscki really played very well, she really took it.

Michael!
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:50 PM
It wasn´t the best match of Venus for sure today, weak serve, and bad movement, but it wasn´t her worst defeat for sure!
Lisicki already has beaten some good players, and on a good day she definetly has top 20 niveau, and today she had a good day, and Venus was just not good enough to beat her today..

She had good chances, 4-2 in first set, and 5-3 in second set, but in this situations she served just too bad!
Venus won´t be the last top 10 player for sure, who lost a match against Sabine

Meteor Shower
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:51 PM
Sabine :worship: incredible :bowdown:
Venus :hug:

Michael!
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:51 PM
Klar, hat Sabine gut gespielt, aber Vee war unterirdisch!!!

Allein wie sie sich bewegt hat, sagt schon alles!

Also sei nicht albern, Venus hat scheiße gespielt!

Venus hat heute ungefähr so gespielt wie in Miami gegen ALG,
gegen die hat es gereicht, gegen eine Lisicki, reichte es heute nicht!

serenus_2k8
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:54 PM
Vee :hug: Congrats Sabine, you played well :(

bobbynorwich
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:55 PM
Sabine

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Lisickiberlin07.jpg/250px-Lisickiberlin07.jpg

LCS
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:57 PM
Lisicki :eek:

Venus :o

TrojanStallion
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:58 PM
What irks me most about being a Venus fan, is that she doesn't show a fighting attitude!!!! Its like, she just accepts the fact she is having an off day, will lose the match, and just moves on!!!....I want to see fight, I want to see her will herself to victory, no matter what it takes!!!!! Its like she just accepts the lose, doesn't really think too much about it, and goes about her normal life.....
Please, Venus, fight for your wins on the red clay, cuz I'm thinking there might not be too many of em!

Ciarán
Apr 16th, 2009, 07:58 PM
6-4, 7-6*. Oh ya and awful.

MyskinaManiac
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:00 PM
Beautiful display of tennis, a lesson of skill if there ever was one from Sabine. Head and shoulders...

Dodoboy.
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:02 PM
Fuck this!

Marshmallow
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:03 PM
What irks me most about being a Venus fan, is that she doesn't show a fighting attitude!!!! Its like, she just accepts the fact she is having an off day, will lose the match, and just moves on!!!....I want to see fight, I want to see her will herself to victory, no matter what it takes!!!!! Its like she just accepts the lose, doesn't really think too much about it, and goes about her normal life.....
Please, Venus, fight for your wins on the red clay, cuz I'm thinking there might not be too many of em!

Did you even watch the match. Venus didn't take it lying down. It went down to a tiebreak in the second, and venus lost just 1 point on her serve in the beginning and that was enough. Liscki on the other hand served Andy roddick in 2003.

Marshmallow
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:07 PM
Beautiful display of tennis, a lesson of skill if there ever was one from Sabine. Head and shoulders...

I wonder if she'll bring that level to her next match, or prove why she's ranked where she is now? Who knows.

ChampLindsay
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:11 PM
yeahhhh Sabine for chancellor:worship::worship:

Dave.
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:12 PM
NOW I don't feel so bad about the Fed Cup match! Well done Sabine :)

Venus :sad: Turn it around on the red clay, where you are still undefeated this year :bounce:

G1Player2
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:19 PM
NOW I don't feel so bad about the Fed Cup match! Well done Sabine :)

Venus :sad: Turn it around on the red clay, where you are still undefeated this year :bounce:


:rolleyes: I love how you magically appear whenever a WS loses. :haha:

Dave.
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:29 PM
:rolleyes: I love how you magically appear whenever a WS loses. :haha:

Maybe next time I'll go post in her forum :rolleyes:

Denise4925
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:37 PM
What the hell Vee? :rolleyes:

Mashafaaaaan
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:40 PM
Vee and Clay:help::help::help:

jjcrew#1
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:41 PM
Go Sabine!!!

jjcrew#1
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:43 PM
Green clay is useless really for Vee, she usually plays like shit on it:lol:

Venus:hug:
Congrats WTA, the on-court coaching, which I have always hated even before this lose. If you can't win and think on your own that you need a coach to help you during the match, WTA might as well make coaching from the stands legal:o

salty much :rolls::rolls:

cn ireland
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:44 PM
Bad loss Venus:(!

Patrick345
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:49 PM
I can´t figure out Lisicki. She plays smart, her father gave good advice during this match, she has a good serve, a nice touch, solid on both sides, and is in good shape. There is no reason whatsoever, she shouldn´t be in the top 20.

TrojanStallion
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:53 PM
Did you even watch the match. Venus didn't take it lying down. It went down to a tiebreak in the second, and venus lost just 1 point on her serve in the beginning and that was enough. Liscki on the other hand served Andy roddick in 2003.

Yes, I watched the whole damn match at lunch, and it was a waste of my time!!!!! Let me put it this way, IN MY OPINION, Venus does not fight hard enough, and just seems like she concedes way to easily, and is quick to chalk it up to a bad day, and moves on!! Maybe Lisicki played well above her ranking, but Venus should have taken this!

bobbynorwich
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:55 PM
I can´t figure out Lisicki. She plays smart, her father gave good advice during this match, she has a good serve, a nice touch, solid on both sides, and is in good shape. There is no reason whatsoever, she shouldn´t be in the top 20.

Still young, time enough to mature.

WhatTheDeuce
Apr 16th, 2009, 08:56 PM
:help: Venus...

Although I like Lisicki cause she played doubles with Steph last year in MTL. Great win for her.

V's a star
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:26 PM
I think everyone cud see Venus wasnt moving like normal still. How can she slide wen sumthings wrong with her leg. She jus let shots pass her by and was very choosy about which balls she went after. Where normal healthy Vee wud run after everything. U can defently see the difference between movement from Dubai Acapulco to billie jean cup,Miami, Charelston. Not to mention not pushing up on her serve at all. Its jus sad she has been healthy for so long now and its out of her hands. I knew it wouldnt get better in a week but hopefully for Rome

Pristine
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:30 PM
Not surprised. Venus can be beat by anyone on clay and Sabine has a big serve and a few weapons.

SAEKeithSerena
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:39 PM
eek.

hotandspicey
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:44 PM
Venus :rolleyes: WTF!!!

azinna
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:46 PM
hot-ass-messesque.....

HenryMag.
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:50 PM
First time I saw Sabine and I must say I'm really impressed...WHy she's just no.63??

miffedmax
Apr 16th, 2009, 09:52 PM
Vee, Vee, Vee. Now all my hopes rest on that other model of consistency...

Temperenka
Apr 16th, 2009, 10:05 PM
Great win for Sabine :)
Bad loss for Venus though. However, I don't think this will affect her too much. Good luck on red clay Venus! :bounce:

Matt01
Apr 16th, 2009, 10:09 PM
Expected.
Never in doubt.
The better player won :)

Matt01
Apr 16th, 2009, 10:15 PM
What 2?:lol:

Unless losing to the world number 1 is some disgrace:tape:


2 bad losses in 5 tournaments is pretty alarming.

Droolv
Apr 16th, 2009, 10:42 PM
What an upset :speakles: Sabine :rocker2:

Apoleb
Apr 16th, 2009, 10:51 PM
:lol:

Corswandt
Apr 16th, 2009, 10:52 PM
She has been so overlooked on here being one of the younger players :o

She hasn't had anything in the way of consistent results so far. I hope that will change though.

How is Sabine number 63?
I swear that was some of the best tennis i've seen this year.

It was, wasn't it? Sick winners from anywhere on the court. Charleston can be a bit deceiving re: pace when seen on TV because the low camera angle makes every shot look like a rocket, but hitting winners past Venus from the baseline is never easy - yet Lisicki did it with some ease. Beautiful, textbook service motion and great serving, even though her 2nd serve is unreliable (it's either an ace, a puffball or a DF) and she virtually giftwrapped Venus a couple of breaks.

I hadn't seen Lisicki play in over a year; at the time (Miami vs Chak) I thought that she certainly had weapons, but that her game as a whole was extremely raw and that her FH was shaky. Today she still shanked a FH here and there, but overall she did a much better job of keeping herself in rallies and playing controlled aggression. Not that there were many long rallies, with Lisicki constantly going for broke and Venus' erratic play. Cute sliced BH dropshots here and there. Lisicki's ROS is almost frighteningly high risk, and that's probably a factor in her inconsistent results, as is the depth of some of her shots (I suppose she often overhits when she's off). But it's the racquethead speed she can get on her groundstrokes and the out-of-nowhere big winners that stay with you - FH DTL, BH sharply angled CC, wrongfooters, everything. Just a delight to watch.

Josh.
Apr 16th, 2009, 10:57 PM
Sabine. :yeah: Nice upset.

F-R-E-A-K
Apr 16th, 2009, 10:57 PM
:eek: :eek:

Sabine :hearts: :hearts:

Vee :hug: :hug:

slamchamp
Apr 16th, 2009, 11:05 PM
OMG VeNus :tape: :help:

Ballbasher
Apr 16th, 2009, 11:05 PM
What an awesome for Sabine (&German tennis) :worship: :worship:
Venus :hug: Bring it at the French! ;)

Minotaur
Apr 16th, 2009, 11:09 PM
I think everyone cud see Venus wasnt moving like normal still. How can she slide wen sumthings wrong with her leg. She jus let shots pass her by and was very choosy about which balls she went after. Where normal healthy Vee wud run after everything. U can defently see the difference between movement from Dubai Acapulco to billie jean cup,Miami, Charelston. Not to mention not pushing up on her serve at all. Its jus sad she has been healthy for so long now and its out of her hands. I knew it wouldnt get better in a week but hopefully for Rome

I wouldn't say so actually.

Venus wasn't really that bad. It's not like she hit a lot of ues here and there.

I would say it was one of her typical 'one of the early stages matches' when she is not 100%.

She lost her serve at 5*4. This is her probable fault.

But from this point it was Sabine who gave her no room hitting huge serve and huge winners.

The German was on a huge courage.

Actually after the match is was obvious she was surprised she played at that level.

So congrats to her.

As for the rankings. I would say that she doesn't always play another hard hitters like Venus, there are also players of different types on tour. For example, she lost to players like Schnyder, Bammer and etc. The players who are patient in rallies can make Sabine a true headache.

But the girl still has a great potencial. She destroyed Safina , Davenport last year.

Hayato
Apr 16th, 2009, 11:32 PM
Always knew Sabine would do big things this year--I think this is just the start!

Go Sabine!!!!!

V's a star
Apr 16th, 2009, 11:53 PM
2 bad losses in 5 tournaments is pretty alarming.

and hows JJ doing?????????

Matt01
Apr 16th, 2009, 11:55 PM
and hows JJ doing?????????


Winning her last tournament????

V's a star
Apr 16th, 2009, 11:57 PM
Winning her last tournament????

so one mm tournament makes up for 5 horrible alarming loses. How come ur insane logic never applies to ur favs?

Ellery
Apr 16th, 2009, 11:58 PM
Congrats Sabine :eek:

Venus :shrug:

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:01 AM
so one mm tournament makes up for 5 horrible alarming loses. How come ur insane logic never applies to ur favs?

i'd say winning the MM is better than losing at the MM :hehehe:

Matt01
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:02 AM
so one mm tournament makes up for 5 horrible alarming loses. How come ur insane logic never applies to ur favs?


This thread is about Venus' (pathetic) loss and not about Jankovic or my other faves.

Pasta-Na
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:03 AM
venus. :hug:

Привет
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:13 AM
Why do people waste their time making a heap of posts in a thread about someone they'd claim they couldn't care less about? :scratch: This well never cease to amaze me about this board... Go masturbate or make a friend or something... something useful.

Now that that's out of the way!

Well done, Sabine! :D It's a shame that it had to come against Venus, but I'm still really pleased to see you get a big win! Keep on moving on up. :)

Ben.
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:17 AM
Oh Venus :sad: :hug:
But it's only the beginning of the clay season for you, enough time for you to clean up any kinks in your game.

Congrats to Sabine :)

DimaDinosaur
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:19 AM
Venus played at 100%. Sabine was just better

V's a star
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:50 AM
This thread is about Venus' (pathetic) loss and not about Jankovic or my other faves.

:lol: like always u can never answer any questions cuz u know ur crazy... like this how is Veuns' loss pathetic wen u say Sabine is the better player??u cant always hav it both ways and then dont back ur shit up. This boy has no balls cowardly, i think my ovaries count for more then this dude.

But those are my last words for matty this is to pleasurable for em. Apparently ur still in that psych ward

V's a star
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:55 AM
i'd say winning the MM is better than losing at the MM :hehehe:

Were not talking about Serena here Anarena. Venus was playing in a premiere event not international. Geez u starting latch onto me like im ur man or sumthin, to bad i aint a dude. U must not be gettin any... on here replyin to me all day

V's a star
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:58 AM
Im usually not this bitchy sum people jus set it off sometimes :angel: they know what they doin





http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=263442

Stamp Paid
Apr 17th, 2009, 01:02 AM
What the hell :lol:

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 17th, 2009, 01:05 AM
Were not talking about Serena here Anarena. Venus was playing in a premiere event not international. Geez u starting latch onto me like im ur man or sumthin, to bad i aint a dude. U must not be gettin any... on here replyin to me all day

child you must be foolish...:rolls: i reply to ONE of your posts :spit: nice try though at trying to insult :lol:

skanky~skanketta
Apr 17th, 2009, 01:13 AM
Now that u've got this loss, dont let it happen again at the French. At least not early.

bobbynorwich
Apr 17th, 2009, 01:51 AM
Were not talking about Serena here Anarena. Venus was playing in a premiere event not international. Geez u starting latch onto me like im ur man or sumthin, to bad i aint a dude. U must not be gettin any... on here replyin to me all day

People will listen to you as an intelligent person if you use the grammar and spelling that you certainly were taught.

AnomyBC
Apr 17th, 2009, 01:53 AM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!!?!?

Hmmm. Hopefully Vesnina can take advantage of this... and hopefully Caro can take advantage of Vera going out.

LightWarrior
Apr 17th, 2009, 01:53 AM
Venus keeps having unexpected losses here and there. Venus is a big mystery to me me. We never know what to expect. That is why she's so different from her sister. Serena almost never has bad losses unless she's injured. Still, I hope Venus will be seed 4 by Roland Garros. I'm sure she'll be on fire for Wimbledon.

~Eclipsed~
Apr 17th, 2009, 02:06 AM
What irks me most about being a Venus fan, is that she doesn't show a fighting attitude!!!! Its like, she just accepts the fact she is having an off day, will lose the match, and just moves on!!!....I want to see fight, I want to see her will herself to victory, no matter what it takes!!!!! Its like she just accepts the lose, doesn't really think too much about it, and goes about her normal life.....
Please, Venus, fight for your wins on the red clay, cuz I'm thinking there might not be too many of em!

I'll admit she could have shown more desire and determination in this match, but overall i'd say she's a pretty good fighter most of the time. She just doesn't like to show much emotion on the court and I think she was puzzled on how to play Lisicki on clay.

She definitely fought her way through Acapulco on clay, so don't fear i'm sure Venus will come out all guns firing in Rome. ;)

Keadz
Apr 17th, 2009, 02:11 AM
I am not going to get to excited about Sabine yet, after the Hopman Cup and some of her better results last year, I was just waiting for her to break through. It hasn't happened yet.

Her game is so ridiculously hit and miss that is is kind of sad. It looks like she is attempting to hit aces on her second serve, smash winners on every return and barely changes anything up except the occasional drop shot. Her career will be plagued by injuries, her wrist is probably snapped in half already considering how much she abuses it with her service and forehand motion.

I expect her to have a heap of good results throughout her career, but IMO she will never-ever-ever be consistent enough to make huge waves on the tour.

Good win today though :).

madlove
Apr 17th, 2009, 02:40 AM
great job!

nashi
Apr 17th, 2009, 03:51 AM
:lol:unlunky veus

mdterp01
Apr 17th, 2009, 04:26 AM
Pathetic. That is so ridiculous its beyond words. Green clay is almost a hard court you can slide on.

Renalicious
Apr 17th, 2009, 04:45 AM
Well done Sabine. :)

Steff_forever
Apr 17th, 2009, 04:52 AM
Can't believe this result, never thought it could happen...

bravissimo, Sabine, hopefully not your only highlight of this season

I have no doubts her way of playing is worth a top30 player, but she often lacks confidence when she plays against peers

this is "just" an upset, I hope Sabine finds her way to play with perpetualness

Keep going girl ! :worship:

Direwolf
Apr 17th, 2009, 06:27 AM
venus could have done better!!

Kenny
Apr 17th, 2009, 06:45 AM
Kinda crazy loss here, Venus.

:lol:

Mackep83
Apr 17th, 2009, 08:04 AM
Congrat Sabine!!!

And of course williams fans cant give her credit for her win, cause Venus dident play well??? Like she decided not to play well? Just realize that she suck on clay

дalex
Apr 17th, 2009, 08:38 AM
i'd say winning the MM is better than losing at the MM :hehehe:

:rolls:

Congrats, Sabine! :yeah:

Beat
Apr 17th, 2009, 09:41 AM
i'm only slightly surprised. congrats to lisicki.

frenchie
Apr 17th, 2009, 09:56 AM
Bad loss for Venus

Her main problem on clay is her movement IMO. She seems very precautious and has a slow start
Her FH was very off yesterday too

Venus will be OK for RG though

rucolo
Apr 17th, 2009, 11:13 AM
Sabine!:banana:

Great win!;):hearts::woohoo:

spencercarlos
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:28 PM
Veelosse Veelose :bounce:

Despite the tour level ATM Venus manages somehow to please me with her results on clay :lol:

Welldone Sabine, she beat Davenport last year as well, so she must be something.

Infiniti2001
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:39 PM
Veelosse Veelose :bounce:

Despite the tour level ATM Venus manages somehow to please me with her results on clay :lol:

Welldone Sabine, she beat Davenport last year as well, so she must be something.


You're pleased that she lost? :help: She will take home a pay check which is more than what you will earn this year :lol: Meanwhile, every disappointment is a blessing Venus. Keep on keeping :kiss:

volta
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:40 PM
Bad loss for Venus

Her main problem on clay is her movement IMO. She seems very precautious and has a slow start
Her FH was very off yesterday too

Venus will be OK for RG though
totally agree

she had leads on both sets and blew them :o let's hope she finds her acapulco final form on her way to RG

spencercarlos
Apr 17th, 2009, 12:59 PM
You're pleased that she lost? :help: She will take home a pay check which is more than what you will earn this year :lol: Meanwhile, every disappointment is a blessing Venus. Keep on keeping :kiss:
The please of some means suffering for others. :kiss:
Don´t blame me for not liking her game. I am entitled to.

:wavey:

spartanfan
Apr 17th, 2009, 02:13 PM
Congrat Sabine!!!

And of course williams fans cant give her credit for her win, cause Venus dident play well??? Like she decided not to play well? Just realize that she suck on clay
Never mind the fact that Venus has already won a title on clay this year or all the other clay court titles she has won over her career.. Get your facts straight.

court70
Apr 17th, 2009, 04:01 PM
Venus took to bad falls on that surface when she played the other day. Glad she did not push it.

FoxyliciousKhat
Apr 17th, 2009, 04:10 PM
Congrat Sabine!!!

And of course williams fans cant give her credit for her win, cause Venus dident play well??? Like she decided not to play well? Just realize that she suck on clay

And I hope next time you and everybody else like you will remember this when one of your faves loses. You people always ready to attack others and when the tables turn you are the first to mention how your faves did not play well, was injured etc. I'm not saying I agree with any fans of Venus using whatever excuses but people who live in glass houses need to stop throwing stones.

THAT'S ALL

Foxy

DaMatz
Apr 17th, 2009, 04:55 PM
http://www.familycirclecup.com/files/0000000721_l.jpg

Nice picture from Sabine :)

AnnaMariaMartina
Apr 17th, 2009, 05:06 PM
#63 in the world defeats Venus. Clearly Venus is on her way out and should really retire, this is embarrassing for the WTA.

Michael!
Apr 17th, 2009, 05:08 PM
#63 in the world defeats Venus. Clearly Venus is on her way out and should really retire, this is embarrassing for the WTA.

u are kidding right? :p

and Sharapova lost to Kudryavtseva last year :shrug:
Unfortunately she didn´t retire after that match!

AnnaMariaMartina
Apr 17th, 2009, 05:09 PM
u are kidding right? :p

and Sharapova lost to Kudryavtseva last year :shrug:
Unfortunately she didn´t retire after that match!

Sharapova had a torn rotator cuff, what is the excuse for Venus ? :wavey:

Michael!
Apr 17th, 2009, 05:11 PM
Sharapova had a torn rotator cuff, what is the excuse for Venus ? :wavey:

sure, Maria always has some excuses when she loses....

Venus has a good excuse, her worst surface and the good excuse that Sabine has beaten many top players before :wavey:

Matt01
Apr 17th, 2009, 05:16 PM
Sharapova had a torn rotator cuff, what is the excuse for Venus ? :wavey:


Anemia? :lol:


sure, Maria always has some excuses when she loses....

Venus has a good excuse, her worst surface and the good excuse that Sabine has beaten many top players before :wavey:


"Many"? :spit:

Mackep83
Apr 17th, 2009, 05:19 PM
And I hope next time you and everybody else like you will remember this when one of your faves loses. You people always ready to attack others and when the tables turn you are the first to mention how your faves did not play well, was injured etc. I'm not saying I agree with any fans of Venus using whatever excuses but people who live in glass houses need to stop throwing stones.

THAT'S ALL

Foxy

I cant remember I have talked about Henin or Jankovic losses and said they losed because of an injury. I never do that. The player who plays the best tennis at that moment will win. Saying that Venus losed because she playd bad is not gonna make venus performance better. Yes she has more potential than Sabine but someday you are not at your best even if you try your best, venus did? and it wasnt enough

~Eclipsed~
Apr 17th, 2009, 05:20 PM
So I take it that a player on the rise is not allowed to cause an upset? If they do, the player they upset should immediately retire? The world is not perfect, any player isn't going to win every match day in and day out. If that were the case, then i guess all players ranked below 10 should retire also.

Great logic guys. :yeah:

Michael!
Apr 17th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Anemia? :lol:





"Many"? :spit:

Safina, Davenport, Chakvetadtze, and all in not more than 15 months...
Including some really good matches against some other top 20 players.
Sabine is only too unconsitent, but when she has a good day, it isn´t a shame to lose against her..and we all heard this to so many times before..Venus is so bad, she should retire, and every year she wins Wimbledon again, and that was only her 3rd defeat since Moscow :weirdo: ..but right she is so bad :rolleyes:

~Eclipsed~
Apr 17th, 2009, 05:22 PM
Anemia? :lol:





"Many"? :spit:

Admit it, you live to bash Venus.

LightWarrior
Apr 17th, 2009, 08:47 PM
#63 in the world defeats Venus. Clearly Venus is on her way out and should really retire, this is embarrassing for the WTA.

Just another bitter, jealous and desperate Hingis fan...Pathetic.

DaMatz
Apr 17th, 2009, 08:48 PM
#63 in the world defeats Venus. Clearly Venus is on her way out and should really retire, this is embarrassing for the WTA.

Only because Venus lost to her?? :lol:

Vanity Bonfire
Apr 17th, 2009, 08:50 PM
Lisicki is so much better than her ranking.