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tenn_ace
Jan 3rd, 2009, 06:57 AM
According to Russian captain's interview. If Russia wins the first round, Zvonareva will sub for Dementieva

schorsch
Jan 3rd, 2009, 07:07 AM
:spit: why the hell do they need so many top players there.

tenn_ace
Jan 3rd, 2009, 07:08 AM
maybe because Na Li, Shuai could beat any player on their good day?

zveeen
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:02 AM
maybe because Na Li, Shuai could beat any player on their good day?

:lol:

Amalgamate
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:31 AM
Why sub Zvonareva for Dementieva?

nashi
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:33 AM
:lol:
It is not a joke

Il Primo!
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:38 AM
Hum.. Maria? Oh well, it's not an olympic year, my bad.

Amalgamate
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:39 AM
Hum.. Maria? Oh well, it's not an olympic year, my bad.

:lol::lol:

goldenlox
Jan 3rd, 2009, 11:00 AM
This sounds like Lena is planning on defending her Gold medal in 2012.

raffles
Jan 3rd, 2009, 11:01 AM
Hum.. Maria? Oh well, it's not an olympic year, my bad.
That's unfortunatly true. I doubt Maria will ever play Fed Cup again.

Demska
Jan 3rd, 2009, 12:02 PM
maybe because Na Li, Shuai could beat any player on their good day?

:lol:

miffedmax
Jan 3rd, 2009, 12:57 PM
This sounds like Lena is planning on defending her Gold medal in 2012.

It also puts a damper on the hopes of those of us who wanted Elena to do the same kind of focused, determined run at either the FO or USO in '09 that she did at the Olympics in '08.

goldenlox
Jan 3rd, 2009, 01:03 PM
It's probably Just this tie. Not the next 2.
And there's a long gap after this before RG

goldenlox
Jan 3rd, 2009, 01:08 PM
And this is in Moscow February 7-8, so now is the time to do it. Then she only needs one more appearance on the team

frenchie
Jan 3rd, 2009, 01:20 PM
What a surprise Maria is not in the team!!

Wonder why??

terjw
Jan 3rd, 2009, 01:24 PM
:spit: why the hell do they need so many top players there.

Well it's a strong team but not the best three players they've got. And to my mind - every country should be wanting to put out it's strongest side in every Fed Cup tie. And every player of whatever standard should be dying to play for their country.

Unfortunately - many top players don't have that attitude. I obviously don't know if Sharapova and Safina were asked to play or not or if they were -and declined because it wasn't an Olympics year.

Anyway - the way I would try to change this attitude and get more top players playing the Fed Cup is to replace the subjective HOF entry system we currently have with an objective set of criteria a player must meet to get in the HOF. And one of these criteria would be a minimum number of appearances in the Fed Cup. Not sure exactly what I'd make that number at the moment - but it would be quite a large number.

Corswandt
Jan 3rd, 2009, 01:44 PM
Somehow I just knew that the Fed Cup would be Dementieva's priority for this season. :rolleyes:

Kworb
Jan 3rd, 2009, 01:47 PM
Elena :hearts:

I don't see the problem, I'm glad Russia is sending a strong team (minus Chakvetadze :sad:)

goldenlox
Jan 3rd, 2009, 01:49 PM
Sharapova might not make the AO. It would be crazy to commit to Feb 7-8, when they don't need her.
There will be tougher ties and then Maria and Dinara and Elena might all be needed.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 3rd, 2009, 01:56 PM
Somehow I just knew that the Fed Cup would be Dementieva's priority for this season. :rolleyes:

Please. It's only one tie. In Moscow where Lena is awlays a crowd favorite.

Effy
Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:27 PM
What a surprise Maria is not in the team!!

Wonder why??

nice to know u still care :awww:

i thought she wanted Olympics only... oops

Cp6uja
Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:30 PM
After latest news about Na Li injury problems, of course that Kirilenko, Kleybanova and Pavlyuchenkova is enough (plus Vesnina for doubles) against Chinese players which BTW always played theirs by far worst tennis at indoors. But Tarpichev ego is too big so at least two of Russians big names must to play.

goldenlox
Jan 3rd, 2009, 02:50 PM
They are never going to bring a weak team because they don't respect the opponent.

Jachal
Jan 3rd, 2009, 03:12 PM
They are never going to bring a weak team because they don't respect the opponent.

Exactly my opinion!

Uranium
Jan 3rd, 2009, 04:18 PM
Strong team, China may surprise some of you people, especially if Sveta plays :cuckoo: and if Anna sucks again this year.

sd3300123
Jan 3rd, 2009, 04:23 PM
How strong the Russia Team is,and Li Na is injured.:o

So if Zheng/Yan can win a double match,it'll be 4-1.:sad:

sunsfuns
Jan 3rd, 2009, 04:25 PM
It's so easy for Russians... Maria is not going to play, but I expect all other Russian top 50 players to appear at one point or another.

Sending just Kleybanova and Pavlyuchenkova would be disrespectful towards both spectators and opponents.

Cp6uja
Jan 3rd, 2009, 05:07 PM
It's so easy for Russians... Maria is not going to play, but I expect all other Russian top 50 players to appear at one point or another.

Sending just Kleybanova and Pavlyuchenkova would be disrespectful towards both spectators and opponents.Actually your post is disrespectful to Kleybanova and Pavlyuchenkova which is by many criteria newcomers of the 2008 (in World, not only from Russia). FED CUP 1st Round home match against China which will play without best player and which players always sucks at indoors is almost perfect occasion for debut for two (seems only right now) really good Russian 1988+ prospects.

Same thing for more experienced Maria Kirilenko (time after time WTA TOP20 player) which is good and solid tennis player with many fans in her Moscow, but always in deep shadow of other FED CUP Russians.

iGOAT
Jan 3rd, 2009, 05:43 PM
Probably Vesnina is fourth :rolleyes" Nothing against her but it's ridiculous how she ALWAYS gets picked

sunsfuns
Jan 3rd, 2009, 05:57 PM
Actually your post is disrespectful to Kleybanova and Pavlyuchenkova which is by many criteria newcomers of the 2008 (in World, not only from Russia). FED CUP 1st Round home match against China which will play without best player and which players always sucks at indoors is almost perfect occasion for debut for two (seems only right now) really good Russian 1988+ prospects.

Not at all. Nothing wrong with Kleybanova or Pavlyuchenkova, but if I was paying money for tickets I would like to see at least one of their numerous top 10 players.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 3rd, 2009, 07:48 PM
Probably Vesnina is fourth :rolleyes" Nothing against her but it's ridiculous how she ALWAYS gets picked

Obviously it has nothing to do with the fact Vesnina is the only doubles specialist in Russian team :rolleyes:

Svetlana.
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:31 PM
Obviously it has nothing to do with the fact Vesnina is the only doubles specialist in Russian team :rolleyes:

and it's why she should not play singles in FedCup

iGOAT
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:37 PM
Obviously it has nothing to do with the fact Vesnina is the only doubles specialist in Russian team :rolleyes:
Yeah but EVERY tie is way too excessive. Plus Nadia's good at dubs :p

Svetlana.
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:41 PM
I am not sure why Lena is always in the team. Tarpy should include others young and talented players as well. Looks like he has a special feeling for Lena.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:42 PM
and it's why she should not play singles in FedCup

she has never played live rubber

Yeah but EVERY tie is way too excessive. Plus Nadia's good at dubs :p

Last year was an Olympic year. She needed practice. And Petrova is not a doubles specialist. And after what happened in 2006 Nadia is hardly a reliable member of Fed Cup team.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:45 PM
I am not sure why Lena is always in the team. Tarpy should include others young and talented players as well. Looks like he has a special feeling for Lena.

1) Olympic season
2) There are no young and talented players, in fact. Chakvetadze was the last top tier player Russian tennis produced. And it was in 2004.

iGOAT
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:47 PM
she has never played live rubber



Last year was an Olympic year. She needed practice. And Petrova is not a doubles specialist. And after what happened in 2006 Nadia is hardly a reliable member of Fed Cup team.
She didn't need practice of every tie in 2007 and 2008 :p. Anyway I don't wanna argue, it's just something I've wondered :shrug::)

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:52 PM
She didn't need practice of every tie in 2007 and 2008 :p. Anyway I don't wanna argue, it's just something I've wondered :shrug::)

You assume there was a crowd of Russian players that prayed Tarpischev let them spend a week and play meaningless doubles in Fed Cup instead of earning money at WTA/ITF events?

Svetlana.
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:55 PM
2) There are no young and talented players, in fact.

Tarpy has a lot of players to choose from. He needs to involve more youngsters to the team. There are many others to choose from on the Lena's level.

iGOAT
Jan 3rd, 2009, 08:57 PM
You assume there was a crowd of Russian players that prayed Tarpischev let them spend a week and play meaningless doubles in Fed Cup instead of earning money at WTA/ITF events?
I guess, but I'm sure there were others who wanted to play though like Bychkova, Pavlyuchenkova, Dushevina, Alexandra Panova, Pivovarova etc. who deserve a chance

Viktymise
Jan 3rd, 2009, 09:02 PM
Tarpy has a lot of players to choose from. He needs to involve more youngsters to the team. There are many others to choose from on the Lena's level.

Who?

Tarpischev wants to win the Fed Cup, therefore he chooses the highest ranked players who make themselves available.

Why would he risk putting in younger/inexperienced players over players like Dementieva and Kuznetsova who are top players, and who have Fed Cup credentials?

I guess, but I'm sure there were others who wanted to play though like Bychkova, Pavlyuchenkova, Dushevina, Alexandra Panova, Pivovarova etc. who deserve a chance

They would all likely lose their respective matches in any WG tie. When/If these girls get to the top 20 or higher then they can get their Fed Cup chance. Playing Fed Cup isin't going to make them better tennis players.

On another note, why on earth is Dementieva still bothering with Fed Cup? Her priority will clearly never be to win a slam, unfortunately.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 3rd, 2009, 09:03 PM
Tarpy has a lot of players to choose from. He needs to involve more youngsters to the team. There are many others to choose from on the Lena's level.

And why does he have to replace a mediocre player with another one? What's the point?

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 3rd, 2009, 09:04 PM
Who?

Tarpischev wants to win the Fed Cup, therefore he chooses the highest ranked players who make themselves available.

Why would he risk putting in younger/inexperienced players over players like Dementieva and Kuznetsova who are top players, and who have Fed Cup credentials?

Why on earth Dementieva still bothers with the Fed Cup is beyond me. Her priority will never be to win a slam, unfortunately.

You misunderstood. We are talking about Vesnina.

Viktymise
Jan 3rd, 2009, 09:09 PM
You misunderstood. We are talking about Vesnina.

Damn. :lol:

Still, as you say Vesnina is on the team because of her doubles credentials. Players like Pavlyuchenkova and Kleybanova aren't good enough for either singles or doubles on the team at this point.

goldenlox
Jan 3rd, 2009, 09:38 PM
Vesnina was important in Vermont 2007. She played well with Nadia.
In 2008, it's hard to get 4 to go to Israel right after the AO. So Vesnina made sense. It wasn't a strong team that hosted the US.
And Makarova was on the team for the final.
But they don't need Vesnina. They need someone who can play a dead rubber singles and doubles. That's what the 4th player does. And if the doubles is live, Vesnina is fresh and can play decent doubles.

It makes a little sense. They needed a big effort from Vesnina in Vermont and they got it

Svetlana.
Jan 3rd, 2009, 09:40 PM
And why does he have to replace a mediocre player with another one? What's the point?

I agree on a mediocre comparison when it comes to Vesnina :lol:

but she plays like 2-3 years in a raw without missing even one FedCup tie. For a "dead rubbers" there are plenty of other players to choose from. Many girls might feel some kind of suspicion about Lena being included every single time. Tarpy should be smarter than that for the sake of his reputation.

Noctis
Jan 3rd, 2009, 09:42 PM
China Jie,Peng,Yan and Na(please)

goldenlox
Jan 3rd, 2009, 09:49 PM
Nadia is a better doubles player and Nadia was a huge part of the 2007 team.
Dinara is also better in doubles and was in Israel.
But if you just want someone as a doubles only who's happy to sit around watching, Vesnina makes sense.

Svetlana.
Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:02 PM
But if you just want someone as a doubles only who's happy to sit around watching, Vesnina makes sense.

sure she does, but also there might be plenty other young and perspective girls wanted to take her place. And it's a couch job to find and give them a chance. I respect Lena's loyalty to the team, but from the coach prospective see no sense to place her on that bench every single time. And even as a spectator and fan of a Russian team I want to see other players cheering for the team.

goldenlox
Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:06 PM
Alla was on the Vermont team. Makarova was on the team in Spain.
Vesnina proved she can show up big in Vermont.
If you bring Alisa, can you trust her in a live doubles match, winner takes all?

Svetlana.
Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:10 PM
Makarova was a better player when she played in a pair with Lena. Why wouldn't he ask her to play again?

goldenlox
Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:12 PM
That wasn't a live doubles match. But he might ask Makarova. I don't think Kirilenko wants to sit there and not play a live match.
Maybe it's time for Alisa. Tarpischev mentioned her and Nastya P as players he thinks will move up the ranking this year

Svetlana.
Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:15 PM
If you bring Alisa, can you trust her in a live doubles match, winner takes all?

We would never know until Shamil gives her a chance.

iPatty
Jan 3rd, 2009, 11:55 PM
Obviously it has nothing to do with the fact Vesnina is the only doubles specialist in Russian team :rolleyes:

She isn't even that good at doubles. Most of her success comes from the players that choose to partner with her (Safina, Petrova, Azarenka) that are very good doubles players. I watched two of her doubles matches in Charleston and she was horrible both times as well as in Vermont, like goldenlox mentioned where she did pretty much nothing for her team.

She is nice to look at, but I agree that someone else should be put on the team.

Pasta-Na
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:03 AM
i smell an upset here :p

Zojirushi
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:08 AM
nice to see elena back in fed cup again

Svetlana.
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:08 AM
i smell an upset here :p

Chaky will destroy Chinese :p

goldenlox
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:11 AM
She isn't even that good at doubles. Most of her success comes from the players that choose to partner with her (Safina, Petrova, Azarenka) that are very good doubles players. I watched two of her doubles matches in Charleston and she was horrible both times as well as in Vermont, like goldenlox mentioned where she did pretty much nothing for her team.

She is nice to look at, but I agree that someone else should be put on the team.I said Vesnina did well in Vermont.That's why she's on the team so much.

Svetlana.
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:16 AM
I said Vesnina did well in Vermont.That's why she's on the team so much.

sure she played well, but who was the key player in your opinion that day?

goldenlox
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:21 AM
If she didn't play well they would have lost to Raymond and V Williams. Yeah, she played very well, in a winner take all match

Svetlana.
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:24 AM
I agree she played well, but all the fire and energy came from Nadya. Nadya is the reason they won that day.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:28 AM
sure she does, but also there might be plenty other young and perspective girls wanted to take her place. And it's a couch job to find and give them a chance. I respect Lena's loyalty to the team, but from the coach prospective see no sense to place her on that bench every single time. And even as a spectator and fan of a Russian team I want to see other players cheering for the team.

Nobody gives a shit about this useless and meaningless Fed Cup. I don't know where you've got the idea that other girls are dreaming to be part of this :yawn: competition.

Svetlana.
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:30 AM
Nobody gives a shit about this useless and meaningless Fed Cup. I don't know where you've got the idea that other girls are dreaming to be part of this :yawn: competition.

Sveta does, including many others.

goldenlox
Jan 4th, 2009, 12:43 AM
I agree she played well, but all the fire and energy came from Nadya. Nadya is the reason they won that day.If she didn't play well, I don't think Nadia could have carried her. Nadia played a long 3 setter on Saturday, and had to win her singles match Sunday. She needed Vesnina to hold up her half of the court