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Cp6uja
Jul 20th, 2008, 02:31 AM
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ALREADY REACH:
- Justine Henin
- Maria Sharapova
- Ana Ivanovic
- Jelena Jankovic
- Serena Williams


US Open updates:

This thread is started in july when we still have 3 different 2008 #1 players in WTA (Henin, Sharapova, Ivanovic), with 3 other players which have some realistics chances to reach WTA top spot (Jankovic, Kuznetsova, S.Williams). Henin retire 2 months ago, but Sharapova and Ivanovic is still in very good position to prevent anybody, but than Sharapova announce withdraws from all events in atleast next 2-3 months (shoulder injury) and Ivanovic b/c thumb injury whole summer played just two tournaments (without result) - so less than 50 days since this thread is started OPTION1 (three 2008 different #1) and most voted OPTION2 (four 2008 different #1) is already outdated thanks to Jelena Jankovic (#1 at august 11) and Serena Williams (#1 since september 8). So WTA 2008 season reach new WTA record ever by number of different #1 players in one single season and tied overall tennis record with ATP 1999 season (also five different #1 players).

Talking about todays newest 5th different #1 2008 player Serena Williams is very interesting fact that she is comeback at #1 after longest 265 weeks pause in tennis history (previous record 177-Connors-ATP and 156-Evert-WTA).

But season is still not over, and two most consistent players this summer Elena Dementieva and Dinara Safina still have some chances to reach #1 and make this season probably craziest ever. Despite big difference in points for Serena, we all knows how reduced is always her september-october shedule (for change, i expect of her atleast to play seriously YEC) so probably bigger problem for Elena and Dinara will be to overtake Jelena Jankovic which is finaly injury-free and in seasons best shape (together with red clay season).



LATEST NEWS/ EDIT (after Tokyo)
It's still not over! Dinara Safina still have (good?) chances... even Elena Dementieva have some (but unrealistics). Here is current projections for Seasons ending rankings where i'm counting players 5 mandatory and other 9 "best of rest" 2008 results (so players have 3 empty places for YEC and other two 2008 september/october tournaments):


3680 Serena Williams
3550 Jelena Jankovic
3442 Dinara Safina
2882 Ana Ivanovic
2963 Elena Dementieva


But for Safina chances to reach #1 is probably more important MOSCOW WEEK when will be cut-off of Serena's Kremlin Cup 2007 final. Here is
OCTOBER 13 WTA list projection:
Serena 3716 + Stuttgart/08 + Moscow/08***
Jelena 3550 + Beijing/08 + Stuttgart/08 + Moscow/08
Dinara 3442 + Beijing/08 + Stuttgart/08 + Moscow/08
***no big surprise if Serena withdraws from one of this two tournaments.

Craig.
Jul 20th, 2008, 02:43 AM
Maria losing those 400 San Diego points will hurt her ranking big time. And with her inconsistent form this season, who knows how much lower she can go :o

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jul 20th, 2008, 02:44 AM
None, unfortunately. Maria or Ana will be trading #1 spots for the rest of the year.

c note
Jul 20th, 2008, 02:56 AM
I think that JJ will become #1 at some point this season, though her reign will be short lived. I thought Serena would become #1 this year too, but now with her knee I'm not so sure.

vw.
Jul 20th, 2008, 03:03 AM
Jankovic has a fantastic opportunity to become #1. I can see her taking it for at least a week or two.

In The Zone
Jul 20th, 2008, 03:09 AM
With Serena's injury, Jankovic will likely grab the spot for a week or two in August. Unless Sveta the Slayer comes out and starts to win some finals then she would be # 1.

mal
Jul 20th, 2008, 03:35 AM
With Serena's injury, Jankovic will likely grab the spot for a week or two in August. Unless Sveta the Slayer comes out and starts to win some finals then she would be # 1.

If I see maria Sharapova I'll be very happy. And I don't mean see as in literally see. I mean if I "see" her, in the sense of the game of poker, come up with about, let's see, $2,008 for June, $2,008 for May, I don't know say $20,000. In fact if she wanted to give me $20,000 I could give her an original work of art with my name on it. Only trouble is she probably doesn't want to believe my name will ever be worth that much.
This is probably starting to sound like a "rave" rather than a point of explanation, but girls these days, if you try to sell them software for their computers tend to want to get married and have a family before they are prepared to concede, no, it is just a business transaction and I don't want to marry them as well, even if they try to insist. (It happened that the five year old daughter of a friend didn't want to take a shell ring from me because she thought we may have to get married and she didn't want to hurt mummy's feelings.)
So it may be better to charge the whole price of $200,000, rather than try to make a concession just to be on the safe side.
(If you have difficulty finishing a whole book, don't even try to read my posts, or you will forget what I started to say before I AM FINISHED, AND WILL BECOME CONFUSED.:confused:

I'm not sure what the program is for her to become #1, but it is difficult to cut through all the fog about her shoulder injury and surgery. I can understand why she just doesn't come out, and I have been hinting at this for over six months, and say these are the facts, but she doesn't want the others to know the true extent of her injuries, in case they manage to exploit it. Why would someone blab their medical history in public? (Because if the do people will think they are a hypochondriac and just like to talk about themselves and their fake medical conditions). For me who doesn't believe in ill health, but sees it philosophically as a symptom of some deeper problem, you know I can't actually see Sharapove losing to Jankovich any time soon, nor her felling sorry enough for her to let her win.
I'd be more worried about Davenport making a quick return, if she decides to play the main circuit instead of all teh little tournaments. Appearance money should rival prize money for those, to make the incentives better for the women, and then we will see more like Ana making the switch once and for all., maybe.

Uranium
Jul 20th, 2008, 03:38 AM
more than 5, Sveta/JJ, Venus and Serena will be next

mal
Jul 20th, 2008, 03:40 AM
WTA list during US Open/08:
3553 Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3251 Serena Williams + LA/08??? + Beijing/08
3155 Jelena Jankovic + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3071 Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3070 Svetlana Kuznetsova + LA/08 + Beijing/08

WTA list week after US Open/08:
3413 Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08 + USO/08
3001 Serena Williams + LA/08??? + Beijing/08 + USO/08
2981 Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08 + USO/08
2905 Jelena Jankovic + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08 + USO/08
2370 Svetlana Kuznetsova + LA/08 + Beijing/08 + USO/08


How about without Beijing? Sharapova winning everything she is in and Ana craping out?

Cp6uja
Jul 20th, 2008, 03:52 AM
How good Jelena position to reach #1 in next 4 weeks is fact that even with first match upset in LA she will use her 70pts "17th best result", so if she reach Montreal Semifinal Ivanovic need atleast final in Canada to be ahead her and for Sveta LA win will not be enough:

Ivanovic with Montreal SF will have 3553+195=3748 pts
Jankovic with Montreal SF will have 3490+195+70=3755 pts
Kuznetsova with LA title will have 3455+275=3730 pts

How about without Beijing? Sharapova winning everything she is in and Ana craping out?Beijing Olympics is playing before US Open, so of course that points from OG tournament will be counted for rating of all this 5 players during and after US Open.

mal
Jul 20th, 2008, 03:58 AM
ALREADY REACH:
- Justine Henin
- Maria Sharapova
- Ana Ivanovic

No I don't agree. #1 is the one like the yellow jersey in Tour of France who hold the #1 spot for the longest (majority) of time.

mal
Jul 20th, 2008, 04:04 AM
Ivanovic with Montreal SF will have 3553+195=3748 pts
Jankovic with Montreal SF will have 3490+195+70=3755 pts
Kuznetsova with LA title will have 3455+275=3730 pts

Beijing Olympics is playing before US Open, so of course that points from OG tournament will be counted for rating of all this 5 players during and after US Open.

Damn you, you KNOW I have to get out a pencil and paper to add 2981 to 195, but thanks, thanks anyway.

Mightymirza
Jul 20th, 2008, 04:56 AM
I hope squeaky is here to stay :) but I dont think shes ready at the moment..Too much to learn..Hopefully she will stay at number 1 :)

danieln1
Jul 20th, 2008, 06:17 AM
The FOUR (for me that worthless, waste Henin doesn´t count as number 1) that most deserves are: Ana Ivanovic, Maria Sharapova, Serena Williams and Venus Williams!
ALL the others players(contenders) don´t have the caliber enough to be the number 1 player in the world

Sharapowerr
Jul 20th, 2008, 07:16 AM
The FOUR (for me that worthless, waste Henin doesn´t count as number 1) that most deserves are: Ana Ivanovic, Maria Sharapova, Serena Williams and Venus Williams!
ALL the others players(contenders) don´t have the caliber enough to be the number 1 player in the world

Totally agree:)

Uranium
Jul 20th, 2008, 07:22 AM
The FOUR (for me that worthless, waste Henin doesn´t count as number 1) that most deserves are: Ana Ivanovic, Maria Sharapova, Serena Williams and Venus Williams!
ALL the others players(contenders) don´t have the caliber enough to be the number 1 player in the world

thanks for stating the obvious:)
you named the 3 slam champions this year and Serena who has been probably one of the most consistent.

mal
Jul 20th, 2008, 09:23 AM
How good Jelena position to reach #1 in next 4 weeks is fact that even with first match upset in LA she will use her 70pts "17th best result", so if she reach Montreal Semifinal Ivanovic need atleast final in Canada to be ahead her and for Sveta LA win will not be enough:

Ivanovic with Montreal SF will have 3553+195=3748 pts
Jankovic with Montreal SF will have 3490+195+70=3755 pts
Kuznetsova with LA title will have 3455+275=3730 pts

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How many points are teh players currently on, and is there an official site where we can find them?/


Somebody said:
I didn t see a thread were we can discuss Maria s ranking..

And i ve a few questions.

Maria is now 3th with 3626 points but in other threads i ve read that next week she will only have 3071 is that with the San Diego points she will lose 430 , but that s still

3626 - 430 = 3196 ???

And when she ll lose lat years an Diego points, IMO she should play LA and Montreal..

serenus_2k8
Jul 20th, 2008, 09:48 AM
How are Serenas chances without winning BOW Classic?

sandv1
Jul 20th, 2008, 09:56 AM
mal,

It's right here:
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/2/rankings/singles_numeric.asp ;)

...and AAMOF, I was wondering about this:
Cur Prv Name/Country Rank Pts Tours
3 (3) SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS 3626.00 14
4 (4) KUZNETSOVA, SVETLANA RUS 3455.00 18
5 (5) WILLIAMS, SERENA USA 3126.00 13
6 (6) DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 3105.00 20

From the current standings (backdated July 14th), it's looking like Svetlana is the only one outside of the top three who has a clear shot of getting and holding #1 for more than 1 week. After that, I guess only (at minimum?) getting to a GS Final would allow Serena and Elena to overtake the point spread???


Cp6uja,

I'm just curious where you got the 3071 for Shara. when the above website has her in the 3600s. (Maybe there has been a fair amount of shuffling in those positions over the past several weeks?) (shrugs)

edit:
Another thing: Jelena was out of last year's LA tourney with her semi. Aside from her, Svetlana's the highest seed in the draw I guess, so Kuzy may very well get into a final this coming week! (At least, I _suppose_ that she can hold off Dinara! yikes!)

Cp6uja
Jul 20th, 2008, 11:29 AM
Cp6uja,

I'm just curious where you got the 3071 for Shara. when the above website has her in the 3600s. (Maybe there has been a fair amount of shuffling in those positions over the past several weeks?) (shrugs)

edit:
Another thing: Jelena was out of last year's LA tourney with her semi. Aside from her, Svetlana's the highest seed in the draw I guess, so Kuzy may very well get into a final this coming week! (At least, I _suppose_ that she can hold off Dinara! yikes!)For Sharapova i use same formula like for others here: take away her points from last summer (430 from San Diego and 125 from LA/07) and add unknown number of points from this summer named tournaments where she commited to play. So Sharapova rankings AT USO/08 will be 3626(current) - 430(S.D./07w) - 125(L.A./07sf) + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08 which means 3071 pts + points from two tournaments which she will play this summer. Only "complicate" case is JJ ranking b/c when you take away tournaments from last summer she have still atleast other 17 results from tournaments in last 12 months... but i decide to present her ranking at USO with 14 best results and three empty places for three tournaments of 2008 summer (LA, Montreal and Beijing) because with her 2008 coinsistency and motivation to reach #1 it's expected from her to reach atlest 70pts from any of this tournaments.

Talking about Kuznetsova people wrongly conclude that her #1 chances is connected with Jankovic, or Jankovic chances is connected with Sveta result. Real Sveta #1 chances is from week when Jankovic 2007 Toronto final will be cut-off so for Sveta is crucial Ana Ivanovic results at Montreal and OG and ofcourse herself results at LA and OG. If she dont reach #1 before New Haven her chances after that is on same underdog level like Venus or Dementieva (so must to win at USO/08 and have good indoors season after that). So i personaly think for real very good #1 chances Svetlana should ask Montreal late entry - b/c that 18 august WTA list is maybe her life chance to reach #1 so why not use all possibility?

On other hand Jankovic also depending only of herself and of Ivanovic results. Kuznetsova is not dangeres for her in next 4 weeks before she lose her Toronto/07 runnerup points. Things will be changed only if Sveta have better result than JJ in LA and commit to play Montreal.

Cp6uja
Jul 20th, 2008, 02:48 PM
I Forget to present season with most different players at #1 in tennis history so far:

ATP-1999 Season: All #1 Changes
1. Pete Sampras from 1999. start to 14.Mar.1999. (11 weeks)
2. Carlos Moya from 15.Mar.1999. to 28.Mar.1999. (2 weeks)
Pete Sampras from 29.Mar.1999. to 2.May.1999. (5 weeks)
3. Yevgeny Kafelnikov from 3.May.1999. to 13.Jun.1999. (6 weeks)
Pete Sampras from 14.Jun.1999. to 4.Jul.1999. (3 weeks)
4. Andre Agassi from 5.Jul.1999. to 25.Jul.1999. (3 weeks)
5. Patrick Rafter from 26.Jul.1999. to 1.Aug.1999. (1 week)
Pete Sampras from 2.Aug.1999. to 12.Sep.1999. (6 weeks)
Andre Agassi from 13.Sep.1999. to end of 1999. (15 weeks)

The Daviator
Jul 20th, 2008, 02:50 PM
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/vvorcl/YEC2007WTA1.jpg

:lol:

Cp6uja
Jul 20th, 2008, 09:18 PM
According to current poll results it's better if i separate all "4" options by eventual 4th (and last) 2008 WTA #1 (Jelena or Sveta or Serena).

My fault :(.

Archer16
Jul 20th, 2008, 10:18 PM
According to current poll results it's better if i separate all "4" options by eventual 4th (and last) 2008 WTA #1 (Jelena or Sveta or Serena).

My fault :(.
80% of the voters for this option meant Jelena, and the other 20% is wishful thinking.

Il Primo!
Jul 20th, 2008, 11:22 PM
Jelena has a decent chance. It's dead and burried for Kuzy and her ugly tennis! :banana:

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 21st, 2008, 12:07 AM
I think four: three that have already been there plus Jankovic.

But I also think it will be interesting to compare post-Beijing rankings to post-Athens rankings from four years ago.
If we re-count August 2004 rankings according to today's ranking system that's what we'll get:

1. Henin - 4848 (2060 mandatory + 2788 other tours) (total 13 tours played), missing Miami and Wimbledon points
2. Mauresmo - 4540 (1200 + 3330) (19), missing Miami points
3. Myskina - 4040 (1590 + 2450) (20), missing Miami points
4. Davenport - 4040 (1290 + 2750) (16), missing Miami points
5. Clijsters - 3610 (1400 + 2210) (11), missing Miami, FO and Wimbledon points

Top-5 at the moment:
1. Ivanovic - 3828 (1975 + 1853) (17)
2. Jankovic - 3685 (1640 + 2045) (22)
3. Sharapova - 3626 (1290 + 2336) (13), missing Miami points
4. Kuznetsova - 3455 (1605 + 1850) (18)
5. Serena - 3126 (1790 + 1336) (13)

Ivanovic has 275 pts to defend and can gain points at Canada (430) and Olympics (353)
Jankovic has 425 pts to defend and can gain points at LA (275), Canada (430) and Olympics (353)
Sharapova has 430 pts to defend and can gain points at Olympics (353)
Kuznetsova has 110 pts to defend and can gain points at Olympics (353)
Serena has no pts to defend and can gain points at Olympics (353)

Cp6uja
Jul 21st, 2008, 01:38 AM
BOMBSHELL!!! (just like i suppose)
Svetlana Kuznetsova will play in Montreal!!! (http://www.rogerscup.com/3/en/news/2008/playeradditions.asp
)

- Svetlana Kuznetsova: Her best chance will be August 18, week before her New Hawen title points will be cut-off:
3552 Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3345 Svetlana Kuznetsova + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3120 Jelena Jankovic + LA/08 + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
3251 Serena Williams + LA/08??? + Beijing/08
3071 Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08 + Beijing/08
Very helpful for this scenario for Sveta will be if she ask for late entry in Montreal or if Ivanovic "tanked" Canadian Open which is not so impossible (for her is OG and USO this summer priorities and playing three tournaments in the row with 100% is too ambitious for her so maybe Montreal Ana will use just for Hardcourt preparation).

So Svetlana will play same tournaments like JJ but have 225pts more and she will play LA unlike Ivanovic + if you ask me i see big chances that Ana will use Montreal just for preparation to Beijing (and USO) without 100% "competetive" motivation (which is also good for Jankovic chances to reach #1).

Dawson.
Jul 21st, 2008, 01:42 AM
jankovic will (unfortunately) become #1 this year for a week or two.

Corswandt
Jul 21st, 2008, 01:49 AM
Current THREE and nobody else.

Ivanovic will hold #1 at least until the end of this season.

kaktusino
Jul 21st, 2008, 01:55 AM
Ivanovic has 275 pts to defend and can gain points at Canada (430) and Olympics (353)
Jankovic has 425 pts to defend and can gain points at LA (275), Canada (430) and Olympics (353)
Sharapova has 430 pts to defend and can gain points at Olympics (353)
Kuznetsova has 110 pts to defend and can gain points at Olympics (353)
Serena has no pts to defend and can gain points at Olympics (353)

Dementieva has 190 / 260 ? pts to defend and can gain points at Canada (430) and Olympics (353)
Right?

Cp6uja
Jul 21st, 2008, 01:56 AM
jankovic will (unfortunately) become #1 this year for a week or two.
Her chances seems right now about 70% to reach #1 in some of next 4 weeks, but after Sveta late entry in Montreal - Kuznetsova chances and odds to reach #1 at August 18, week when will be cut-off Jankovic Toronto/07 final 300 points now grow to about 40%!!! And also Serena will be always there till season not end (maybe at YEC she will finaly reach #1 spot or maybe already at US Open with win)... so nothing is impossible here - including 6 different #1 in one season (Tennis record of all time).

Cp6uja
Jul 21st, 2008, 03:20 AM
LATEST NEWS: Svetlana Kuznetsova withdraw from Los Angeles! That means her chances to reach #1 next month is not looking so good at the moment.

LefandePatty
Jul 21st, 2008, 03:29 AM
Maria Sharapova
Ana Ivanovic
Jelena Jankovic
Serena Williams
Peng Shuai

supergrunt
Jul 21st, 2008, 03:31 AM
Serena And Venus #'s 1 & 2 !!!!!!

mal
Jul 21st, 2008, 05:26 AM
Jelena has a decent chance. It's dead and burried for Kuzy and her ugly tennis! :banana:

But...Kuzy is the Queen. Oh well, you win some you lose some I suppose.

To be fair, she had as good a chance as everyone else.

Cp6uja
Jul 22nd, 2008, 10:37 PM
Serena out from LA (expected) so her only chance to reach #1 soon is US Open win. With Final or SF she will be still in #1 race, but only with very good results before and at YEC.

Serena withdraws will have two indirect implications here:
- Jelena Jankovic dont have any other TOP7 opponent in LA draw so her chances to reach this title (which means #1 already in monday) is better now.
- With Montreal SF Maria Sharapova will overtake Serena in race for OG Beijing TOP4 seeds race.

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 22nd, 2008, 11:23 PM
I smell a lot of withdrawals at Montreal. I'll be shocked to see Sharapova, Venus, even Dementieva there.

jonny84
Jul 23rd, 2008, 01:45 PM
Jankovic has a good chance this week - and it helps Serena is out so she could be #1 next week.

frontier
Jul 23rd, 2008, 02:11 PM
I think the true no.1 will be there at the end of the year going into 2009.The WTA desperately needs a leader and the top four are not leaders.Justine is still no.1 at this point

DragonFlame
Jul 24th, 2008, 04:28 AM
I smell a lot of withdrawals at Montreal. I'll be shocked to see Sharapova, Venus, even Dementieva there.

dementieva needs to be there:angel: She needs the points. At least a semifinal to keep her top4 hopes up. She's got a decent shot with SF and better results.

DragonFlame
Jul 24th, 2008, 04:32 AM
To be fair, she had as good a chance as everyone else.

Not that much.. she has more then 1000 points to defend in the upcoming weeks. I just don't see her going up in points. :p

Cp6uja
Jul 27th, 2008, 05:07 AM
OP is updated with Jankovic LA result. She miss opportunity to reach #1 in monday, but her chances to reach #1 at August 11 is very good. I'm pretty sure that Ivanovic will not take too seriously Canada Open week before very important Beijing/USO month and i dont see for Ana more than QF in Montreal... even is possible new shocking upset against some non-TOP50 "no name" player in earliest rounds. That means Jalena and Svetlana have "life-chance" to reach #1 after Canada.August 11 list when JJ points from Toronto final is still there, but Ivanovic LA/07 title points is cut-off:
3615 Jelena Jankovic + Montreal/08
3553 Ana Ivanovic + Montreal/08
3455 Svetlana Kuznetsova + Montreal/08
3251 Serena Williams
3071 Maria Sharapova + Montreal/08

LudwigDvorak
Jul 27th, 2008, 05:10 AM
What if Jankovic and Ivanovic both lose in the quarterfinals? I take it Ana is still #1 after Montreal?

doni1212
Jul 27th, 2008, 05:13 AM
So Serena could possibly be number 4 after next week if Sharapova/Kuznetsova do bad or no?

Cp6uja
Jul 27th, 2008, 05:19 AM
What if Jankovic and Ivanovic both lose in the quarterfinals? I take it Ana is still #1 after Montreal?I not present here "17 best" results for Jelena - i present "16 best" (with one empty place for Montreal) so with same round like Ana Jelena will not overtake Ana in August 4 list (Monday after Canada Open) - but will overtake her FOR SURE at August 11 list when LA/07 points will cut-off! But with Montreal QF Jankovic is in dangeres of Kuznetsova which will overtake her if reach Montreal final.

So Serena could possibly be number 4 after next week if Sharapova/Kuznetsova do bad or no?Kuznetsova iz sure TOP4 seed at Beijing (and better ranked than Serena), and Sharapova needs for that atleast SF in Montreal (to overtake Serena).

doni1212
Jul 27th, 2008, 05:25 AM
I not present here "17 best" results for Jelena - i present "16 best" (with one empty place for Montreal) so with same round like Ana Jelena will not overtake Ana in August 4 list (Monday after Canada Open) - but will overtake her FOR SURE at August 11 list when LA/07 points will cut-off! But with Montreal QF Jankovic is in dangeres of Kuznetsova which will overtake her if reach Montreal final.

Kuznetsova iz sure TOP4 seed at Beijing (and better ranked than Serena), and Sharapova needs for that atleast SF in Montreal (to overtake Serena).

Ok, thanks, :yeah:

cn ireland
Jul 27th, 2008, 01:45 PM
I'll say 5 because I expect JJ and Serena to become #1 at some point this year:D!!!

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jul 27th, 2008, 02:07 PM
None, unfortunately. Maria or Ana will be trading #1 spots for the rest of the year.

Looks like my prediction is heading the right way... :p

Dinayer
Jul 27th, 2008, 04:36 PM
I think 5

Milito22
Jul 27th, 2008, 04:41 PM
4, Sveta will be #1 in the end of the year

Cp6uja
Aug 1st, 2008, 03:26 AM
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/vvorcl/YEC2007WTA1.jpg


ALREADY REACH:
- Justine Henin
- Maria Sharapova
- Ana Ivanovic


OTHER CONTENDERS:
- Jelena Jankovic: if she wins at LA next week she will be next WTA#1 already in monday 28 July. If not her best chance will be August 11 list when her points from Toronto final is still there, but Ivanovic LA/07 title points is cut-off:
3615 Jelena Jankovic + Montreal/08
3613 Ana Ivanovic
3455 Svetlana Kuznetsova + Montreal/08
3251 Serena Williams
3131 Maria Sharapova
This will be her rating if she at both new 2008 summer tournaments will reach atleast 70pts (her 17th best result). She will play LA (unlike Ivanovic) and Montreal (unlike Kuznetsova).

Whatever will happen next here in Montreal we already have 4th 2008 #1 this season because on August 11 lis Jelena Jankovic will overtake Ana Ivanovic. Actualy Jelena have chance to overtake Ana already this week if reach final, but Kuznetsova is player which have also chance to overtake they both and become 18th #1 in WTA history - but only with final if Jankovic lose in QF, or with Montreal title if Jelena reach SF. With final Jelena will be sure #1 even if Sveta win.

BTW i predict correctly this is will happen ;):
if you ask me i see big chances that Ana will use Montreal just for preparation to Beijing (and USO) without 100% "competetive" motivation (which is also good for Jankovic chances to reach #1).OP is updated with Jankovic LA result. She miss opportunity to reach #1 in monday, but her chances to reach #1 at August 11 is very good. I'm pretty sure that Ivanovic will not take too seriously Canada Open week before very important Beijing/USO month and i dont see for Ana more than QF in Montreal... even is possible new shocking upset against some non-TOP50 "no name" player in earliest rounds. That means Jalena and Svetlana have "life-chance" to reach #1 after Canada.

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 1st, 2008, 06:41 AM
I think (at this point) it's inevitable that Jankovic will be #1 for at least a couple of weeks, but I think that the 2008 Y.E. #1 will be Kneerena Williams.

Cp6uja
Aug 28th, 2008, 02:35 PM
ALREADY REACH:
- Justine Henin
- Maria Sharapova
- Ana Ivanovic
- Jelena Jankovic


Since official WTA ranks exist only once before (in 2006) four different players reach #1 spot during one single calender season and after Jelena Jankovic reach #1 in august of this year it's happen just 2nd time. Which is more interesting many other players which not reach #1 so far this season have chances for that even in next 10 days (this is EDIT of OP and today is AUG 28) depending on US Open results. Here is projection of #1 contenders rankings after US Open:


R3-3562 R4-3612 QF-3722 SF-3922, F-4172 , W-4472 - Ana IVANOVIC
R3-3355 , R4-3405 , QF-3515 , SF-3715, F-3965 , W-4265 - Jelena JANKOVIC
R3-3181 , R4-3231 , QF-3341 , SF-3541 , F-3791 , W-4091 - Serena WILLIAMS
R3-3070 , R4-3120 , QF-3230 , SF-3430 , F-3680 , W-3980 - Elena DEMENTIEVA
R3-2997 , R4-3047 , QF-3157 , SF-3357 , F-3607 , W-3907 - Dinara SAFINA



CONTENDERS:

Maria Sharapova which seems like "best bet" that will finish this season like #1 even before Henin retirement is not more contender for #1 comeback in 2008 after all that shoulder and withdraws problems and in bad shape Svetlana Kuznetsova which is so close to #1 in last 2-3 months, now needs miracle at US Open (Title, or atleast final to still be contender). Real contenders is Serbs Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic (which is not much interesting for this thread b/c already reach #1 this season) with Serena Williams, Elena Dementieva and Dinara Safina. Even if they three not reach #1 during US Open, they will still have chances b/c not defending almost nothing from last season, especialy before Moscow tournament (but similar case is with Serbs also). If some of this three girls reach #1 and become 5th different #1 in 2008 it will be historical achivment for Many reasons:

- Serena Williams: She will become player with #1 comeback after longest pause (more than 250 weeks) in tennis history (WTA and ATP both).
- Elena Dementieva: She will become oldest player ever which reach #1 at day of debut.
- Dinara Safina: She started season at #15 which is worse starting ranking for some player in season when they debut at #1.

And of course if we have 5th new #1 it will equal tennis record for most different #1 in single season with ATP1999 season. Also if Elena or Dinara reach #1 2008 will be first WTA season ever with more than 2 #1 debutants (together with Ana and JJ).

So what you thinks how many different #1 will produce this strange 2008 season???Opening post is updated... Jelena Jankovic reach #1 and she is 4th different #1 this season, so option-1 of this poll already this august going to history and all other three options have good chances to be true at end of season (even "more than 5" option!). Chances for next 5th 2008 #1 before end of season (even in next 10 days!!!) is not bad at all. Sveta is no more contender, but Serena is still there - and Dementieva and Safina chances after fantastic summer is now realistic. Except Henin, Maria Sharapova is also not able to trouble and prevent new contenders (after problems with injury). No doubt that US Open results will be crucial for this race, but also probably many scenarios will be still wide open till YEC when this unique season will be ended.

Cp6uja
Aug 29th, 2008, 12:43 AM
Ana Ivanovic shocking early defeat change things dramaticaly, so i must BUMP this thread again today. Now is Jelena Jankovic only player which will try to prevent 5th different WTA player to reach #1 place. JJ have open draw for SF, but her shape is still not promising this summer. Serena after 250+ weeks pause, or Dinara and Elena for the very 1st time, have great chance to reach #1 already next week.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Cp6uja
Sep 3rd, 2008, 03:38 AM
If Elena Dementieva beat Jelena Jankovic in USO semifinal we will not see new 5th different WTA#1 right after USO only if Venus Williams (or Pennetta :lol:) wins this title!

But if Jankovic reach final beating Elena, only way that we will see new #1 (5th in 2008) next monday is if Serena Williams won this tournament.

Cp6uja
Sep 5th, 2008, 11:48 PM
Tommorow is day of truth (or maybe sunday, b/c rain). If Jelena Jankovic wins she will probably stay at #1 till end of season. With USO title she will reach atleast 700-800 pts more than any other player, except Serena (about 500 more) which never played full asian and European indoors shedule.

On other hand if Serena wins she will be already in monday 5th different 2008 #1 player and that will be bgigest comeback at #1 in tennis history (after pause of more than 250 weeks!), and also Safina and/or Dementieva will still also have some chances to reach #1 before end of season.

Next Mondays TOP5:
Jelena 4265
Serena 3791
Ana 3532
Elena 3430
Dinara 3357

or
Serena 4091
Jelena 3965
Ana 3532
Elena 3430
Dinara 3357

Cp6uja
Sep 8th, 2008, 12:59 PM
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/vvorcl/YEC2007WTA1.jpg


ALREADY REACH:
- Justine Henin
- Maria Sharapova
- Ana Ivanovic
- Jelena Jankovic
- Serena Williams


LATEST NEWS/EDIT:

This thread is started in july when we still have 3 different 2008 #1 players in WTA (Henin, Sharapova, Ivanovic), with 3 other players which have some realistics chances to reach WTA top spot (Jankovic, Kuznetsova, S.Williams). Henin retire 2 months ago, but Sharapova and Ivanovic is still in very good position to prevent anybody, but than Sharapova announce withdraws from all events in atleast next 2-3 months (shoulder injury) and Ivanovic b/c thumb injury whole summer played just two tournaments (without result) - so less than 50 days since this thread is started OPTION1 (three 2008 different #1) and most voted OPTION2 (four 2008 different #1) is already outdated thanks to Jelena Jankovic (#1 at august 11) and Serena Williams (#1 since september 8). So WTA 2008 season reach new WTA record ever by number of different #1 players in one single season and tied overall tennis record with ATP 1999 season (also five different #1 players).

Talking about todays newest 5th different #1 2008 player Serena Williams is very interesting fact that she is comeback at #1 after longest 265 weeks pause in tennis history (previous record 177-Connors-ATP and 156-Evert-WTA).

But season is still not over, and two most consistent players this summer Elena Dementieva and Dinara Safina still have some chances to reach #1 and make this season probably craziest ever. Despite big difference in points for Serena, we all knows how reduced is always her september-october shedule (for change, i expect of her atleast to play seriously YEC) so probably bigger problem for Elena and Dinara will be to overtake Jelena Jankovic which is finaly injury-free and in seasons best shape (together with red clay season).Opening post is again updated because Serena great achivment and comeback at #1 after more than 5 years (since august 10, 2003).

5 different #1 is in one single season is absolute WTA record and tied ATP record from 1999, but what you people thinking about Dementieva or Safina chances to reach #1 in next two months like 6th different #1? Serena asian and Europe-Indoors shedule is always very reduced and for example for Safina in past its always best part of season after clay.

Cp6uja
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:04 AM
Opening Post is updated after Tokyo... with 5 different #1 so far this season, 2008 is already year with most different #1 in WTA history (and tied with ATP1999 season)... but season is not over yet - winning Tokyo, Safina chances to be 6th 2008 #1 seems not so bad right now.


http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm269/vvorcl/2008WTA1-1.jpghttp://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0607/ten_g_safina_200.jpg


ALREADY REACH:
- Justine Henin
- Maria Sharapova
- Ana Ivanovic
- Jelena Jankovic
- Serena Williams

...

LATEST NEWS/ EDIT (after Tokyo)
It's still not over! Dinara Safina still have (good?) chances... even Elena Dementieva have some (but unrealistics). Here is current projections for Seasons ending rankings where i'm counting players 5 mandatory and other 9 "best of rest" 2008 results (so players have 3 empty places for YEC and other two 2008 september/october tournaments):


3680 Serena Williams
3550 Jelena Jankovic
3442 Dinara Safina
2882 Ana Ivanovic
2963 Elena Dementieva


But for Safina chances to reach #1 is probably more important MOSCOW WEEK when will be cut-off of Serena's Kremlin Cup 2007 final. Here is
OCTOBER 13 WTA list projection:
Serena 3716 + Stuttgart/08 + Moscow/08***
Jelena 3550 + Beijing/08 + Stuttgart/08 + Moscow/08
Dinara 3442 + Beijing/08 + Stuttgart/08 + Moscow/08
***no big surprise if Serena withdraws from one of this two tournaments.

enchantrezz
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:13 AM
How can Safina become number one this season? Will she earn enough points for number two IF she wins Beijing?

Dodoboy.
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:32 AM
Apart from Justine have any of them won titles as '#1?

enchantrezz
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:38 AM
Apart from Justine have any of them won titles as '#1?

wow, thats interesting

Cp6uja
Sep 21st, 2008, 09:45 AM
How can Safina become number one this season?Read latest updates ;)
Will she earn enough points for number two IF she wins Beijing?Yes, because she is in same half of Beijing draw like Jankovic, so if Dinara reach title, Jankovic best result will be SF. That means

4091 Serena Williams
3987 Dinara Safina (3747+275*-35**)
3940 Jelena Jankovic (3885+125*-70**)
*- Beijing/08 points
**- 17th best result cut-off

Apart from Justine have any of them won titles as '#1?No... but two of them (Ana Ivanovic and Serena Williams) won Grand Slam title to reach #1 next week!

enchantrezz
Sep 21st, 2008, 10:01 AM
Read latest updates ;)
Yes, because she is in same half of Beijing draw like Jankovic, so if Dinara reach title, Jankovic best result will be SF. That means

4091 Serena Williams
3987 Dinara Safina (3747+275*-35**)
3940 Jelena Jankovic (3885+125*-70**)
*- Beijing/08 points
**- 17th best result cut-off



My oh my, this is like F1 race !!! Who has enough gas left to win top spot this season :eek:

Dodoboy.
Sep 21st, 2008, 02:50 PM
Safina's fitness will be put to the test in YEC!

She has played the most tournaments this year right, out of the top 5? (discounting youknowwho)I mean look how tired Jelena was at YEC last year!

Dodoboy.
Sep 21st, 2008, 02:52 PM
Did any reach the final as #1?

Semi?

Olórin
Sep 21st, 2008, 02:57 PM
My oh my, this is like F1 race !!! Who has enough gas left to win top spot this season :eek:

It is exciting. As I said in another thread the YECs will be a blast. Hopefully Serena will play Stuttgart and Moscow too.

améliemomo
Sep 21st, 2008, 03:12 PM
Nothing to compare with 2006 who was perhaps the most "normal" season in the tour with slams wins shared between 3 girls(2 Mauresmo with Wimbledon as n°1) (Henin won roland garros and took back n°1 spot year ending)and sharapova for the us open.
This year we are already at 5 different n°1 with no one winner as n°1.
If safina manage to take the n°1 spot it will be even crasiest.
The musical chair wta show is there and no one can stop it, the williams could but wont cause they dont play as much as the like of stakanoviste jankovic and safina.:rolleyes:

Cp6uja
Oct 1st, 2008, 11:15 PM
Serena continue with her traditional bad finishes of seasons with strange loses and withdraws, so this thread is still active mostly thanks to Serena and Safina. But even if Ree sucks again in seasons finish (she already withdraw from Tokyo and lose her first match at Stuttgart) Jelena Jankovic after Beijing tier-II title have very nice chances to stay at #1 till end of season and prevent new (number 6 :eek::eek::eek:) player to reach #1 spot in 2008. So what you think now after Serena upset in Stuttgart whats is chances for next, 6th #1 in 2008 (Safina of course, b/c right now Dementieva needs miracle)?

Here is contenders points from midle of october after Moscow/07 points cut-off:

Jelena Jankovic 3825 + Moscow/08 + Stuttgart/08
Dinara Safina 3512 + Moscow/08 + Stuttgart/08
Serena Williams 3715 + Moscow/08

It seems like hard job for Safina right now, but she is in same half of Stuttgart draw with Jankovic, so if she wins that SF (and why not final day after) her chances will difference will not be so big.

Ciarán
Oct 1st, 2008, 11:18 PM
Dinara!