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GoDominique
Jul 16th, 2008, 10:57 PM
I will start with:

Kristina Barrois (GER).

Barrois hates clay yet plays tons of tournaments on this surface.
Barrois likes grass yet only played the Wimbledon quali on that surface. During the other few grass tournaments she played Bundesliga (clay).
Barrois is tall, has a good serve and great volleys which should make her a good doubles player capable of reaching the top 100 easily. Yet she only played doubles at 8 of her 24 tournaments in the past year and is ranked somewhere in the 300's.
Barrois sucks and chokes all the time too, but that's another topic.

Any others?

Robert-KimClijst
Jul 16th, 2008, 10:59 PM
Lucie Safarova. Instead of taking time off to work on her game, she's been just playing and playing and playing. And losing and losing and losing. :(

ArturoAce.
Jul 16th, 2008, 11:01 PM
Hsieh Su-Wei
She plays too many low itf tourneys and isnt getting any practice against the bighitters in Wta...

Corswandt
Jul 16th, 2008, 11:06 PM
Pironkova

Insisted on playing qualies at upper tier events for years instead of playing down to boost her ranking. Finally got the lucky break she needed in Rome, but it took over two years. Was it worth it?

Vinci

Should have given up on her singles career long ago; her fitness isn't up to playing anything remotely similar to a normal schedule. Can't find a steady doubles partner, even though she could probably win big doubles titles with the appropriate wing(wo)man.

Dementieva

Plans her seasons in the back of a paper napkin. Favoured Fed Cup over everything else until Tarpi dumped her. Unbelievably retarded scheduling up until this season. Is now favouring Olympics over everything else.

baleineau
Jul 16th, 2008, 11:07 PM
Venus and Serena Williams - they have the game for grass (big serves, strong groundstokes, good net play) but never play Birmingham and/or Eastbourne.

Uranium
Jul 16th, 2008, 11:10 PM
Venus and Serena Williams - they have the game for grass (big serves, strong groundstokes, good net play) but never play Birmingham and/or Eastbourne.

that's not bad planning, they want to save their energy for Wimbledon.

I think Henin the past few years playing Eastbourne was bad for her since she burnt out at Wimbledon

frenchie
Jul 16th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Venus and Serena Williams - they have the game for grass (big serves, strong groundstokes, good net play) but never play Birmingham and/or Eastbourne.

Actually Venus and Serena were pretty smart about their schedule

Playing less but playing longer

kittyking
Jul 16th, 2008, 11:14 PM
Leanne Baker - Girl, you need to know when to play a volley (generally not a good idea if your behind the baseline)

Shona Lee - Wrong career choice, everyone who has seen you thinks your instant Viagra!

Tammy Tanasugarn - Why don't you just play 3 or 4 Grass Tournaments a year :shrug:

Malva
Jul 16th, 2008, 11:18 PM
Venus and Serena Williams - they have the game for grass (big serves, strong groundstokes, good net play) but never play Birmingham and/or Eastbourne.

Their goal is to fight for the greatest trophies at Wimbledon thus they are conserving their energy. How many matches you want them to win in a row? 11? 13?

I don't see here any bad planning.

LudwigDvorak
Jul 16th, 2008, 11:25 PM
Malva reminds me - Radwanska has had horrible planning this year. Maybe not before, but she's winning too much to be playing so much. I'm glad she's having two weeks off after Wimbledon...anyone know if she's doing LA?

Jankovic was going this direction last year, but she's had a good schedule this season.

Aside from skipping Indian Wells and Rome/doing Istanbul, it's been good planning from Dementieva this season. I think her scheduling in '05 was good, actually...she over did it in the fall, yes, but the rest was fine. :lol:

Malva
Jul 16th, 2008, 11:58 PM
Malva reminds me - Radwanska has had horrible planning this year. Maybe not before, but she's winning too much to be playing so much. I'm glad she's having two weeks off after Wimbledon...anyone know if she's doing LA?


[Actually she is having 3½ weeks of rest.]

There was a lot of talk about that in Agnieszka's subforum in May and June. I was one of the few who had trust in her and her father's competence in the context of season's planning.

There were a few mistakes, especially in the beginning of the season, e.g., the last minute decision to play in Dubai which resulted in her playing something like 5 matches within the span of 3 days in two different countries. It's possible that this resulted in her mini-slump in March, during the transition between the hard-court and clay seasons.

One has to take into account that she started this year being ranked something like #29. For a quick rise in the rankings she had to play a lot. Easy to forget now, but she was still playing qualies in February (!).

What I heard from Agnieszka indicated that at every stage of her rise she was very reasonable at setting her expectations. And at every stage she was achieving more.

Around Roland Garros, after that forearm injury that deprived her of equal chances against Janković, they began adjusting her schedule with much less emphasis on playing the doubles, and after Eastbourne and Wimbledon, she will be playing just Stockholm (hard-courts) and Olympics before the US Open. She withdrew from every other tournament she was supposed to play.

So saying that her planning is horrible is probably based on expectation that she is continuing with the busy schedule from the first third of the year. And she is not.

Ryan
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:13 AM
She's entered to play New Haven, isn't she?

égalité
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:19 AM
Flavia Pennetta. :o

davidmario
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:40 AM
Kveta Peschke stopped playing singles and wins almost every singles match in the german league and recently in WTT without much problems.
Beating Pandzic, Hendler and Scheepers just days ago.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:42 AM
Leanne Baker - Girl, you need to know when to play a volley (generally not a good idea if your behind the baseline)

Shona Lee - Wrong career choice, everyone who has seen you thinks your instant Viagra!

Tammy Tanasugarn - Why don't you just play 3 or 4 Grass Tournaments a year :shrug:

Tammy has been a very solid hardcourt player over the years aswell :p.

Malva
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:48 AM
She's entered to play New Haven, isn't she?

She withdrew. Between Wimbledon and US Open plays only one hard-court tournament in Stockholm and the Olympics. The reason given: possible problems with jetlag/acclimatisation.

LudwigDvorak
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:50 AM
I had a quote box thing of Malva's here, but it disappeared. Oh well. Anyway.

Of course I expected her to not play AS much, but there's no doubt she had horrible scheduling up to this point in the year.

She's smart. She probably knows what happened to Jankovic last year. A cheap title defense in Stockholm and good showings in Beijing and New York would be perfect.

I just hope she doesn't repeat these mistakes next year or later in her career.

Malva
Jul 17th, 2008, 01:02 AM
I had a quote box thing of Malva's here, but it disappeared. Oh well. Anyway.

A server problem. Happens all too often.


Of course I expected her to not play AS much, but there's no doubt she had horrible scheduling up to this point in the year.

She's smart. She probably knows what happened to Jankovic last year. A cheap title defense in Stockholm and good showings in Beijing and New York would be perfect.

I just hope she doesn't repeat these mistakes next year or later in her career.

I doubt she does -- she will be in an entirely different point of her career, but I am still not convinced that her schedule was that horrible. Or, if you like, in spite of that 'horrible' schedule she maintained a linear rise in the rankings throughout the last 7 months. At no point she was standing still or reversing (I don't take into account small fluctuations for obvious reasons).

Dawson.
Jul 17th, 2008, 01:15 AM
katie o brien. earlier this year she played qualifying for doha, dubai got a direct acceptance in bangalore. She lost in the first round of all three (although she was close to beating savchuk in bangalore) - she could have played three $50k or $75k's, won a few matches and got into the top 100. she later said she was never comfortable playing at tour level. maybe she could have been the new martina muller? getting into the top 100 without much success at tour level :lol:

colt13
Jul 17th, 2008, 04:20 AM
Venus obviously hasnt misplanned, but it is interesting to me that she gets 1000 pts for wimby almost every year but has less than 3000 for the year. Pulling a Nadal and running the grass court season and getting another 400-600 pts wouldnt hurt.

Dokic comes to mind,as well as anybody ranked between 100-200 that is struggling. You kind of figure with the Olympics near, and all of the injuries, women would be lining up to get into qualies of a WTA event instead of a low level ITF event.

Since Harkleroad is skipping the Olympics, i'm assuming she will be playing every week?

NeeemZ
Jul 17th, 2008, 04:40 AM
Venus obviously hasnt misplanned, but it is interesting to me that she gets 1000 pts for wimby almost every year but has less than 3000 for the year. Pulling a Nadal and running the grass court season and getting another 400-600 pts wouldnt hurt.

Dokic comes to mind,as well as anybody ranked between 100-200 that is struggling. You kind of figure with the Olympics near, and all of the injuries, women would be lining up to get into qualies of a WTA event instead of a low level ITF event.

Since Harkleroad is skipping the Olympics, i'm assuming she will be playing every week?

Agreed. I don't think Venus 'misplans' as such but she definitely should enter Birmingham in the future just to boost up her ranking and get some match practice on grass. Sharapova was smart in doing this and always went far. This year, she skipped it and she suffered for it. Venus always does well without a leadup tournament at Wimbledon but she would benefit from a few matches under her belt and a few more points towards her ranking.

matthias
Jul 17th, 2008, 05:39 AM
as i saw the thread title, and the thread started my GoDominique and i knewed it will be about Barrois :lol::tape:

liuxuan
Jul 17th, 2008, 07:24 AM
I think Kim's scheduling over the years had a big influence in her early retirement!
that summer she played stanford-san diego-los angeles-toronto-us open was just crazy!!

Zamboni
Jul 17th, 2008, 09:48 AM
Flavia Pennetta. :o
I was gonna say that, but actually....she's not.
Last year especially was pretty good scheduling (the Asian circuit was such a smart move).
This year, can't really complain yet. She's always gonna play South America, I've accepted that. Injury ruined her European clay season, or that would have been ok too. Palermo, well, is in south Italy, so she's forgiven. Hard court planning looks good too.


I'm gonna name Misa Krajicek. The ranking drop was to be expected big time, so why not adjust your schedule?

Matt01
Jul 17th, 2008, 10:24 AM
Agreed. I don't think Venus 'misplans' as such but she definitely should enter Birmingham in the future just to boost up her ranking and get some match practice on grass.


Venus doesn't need match practice on grass and boosting your ranking by playing Birmingham is hardly possible because that is a Mickey Mouse Tier III.

NeeemZ
Jul 17th, 2008, 10:59 AM
Venus doesn't need match practice on grass and boosting your ranking by playing Birmingham is hardly possible because that is a Mickey Mouse Tier III.

Not to be outdone, Venus played three straight Mickey Mouse Tier IIIs and IVs last year but she won just one. If she is to play a Mickey Mouse Tier III, she might as well play Birmingham. For Venus, that is easy points plus she gets added match practice which allows her to start Wimbledon on a high note.

The Dawntreader
Jul 17th, 2008, 11:15 AM
Kuznetsova's schedule baffles me largely, particulary in 2005. She was playing bad and she was still indulging herself in a plethora of tournaments. She really neeededf some kind of a break that year and she didnt even remotely entertain that thought with her schedule.

This year has been better schedule wise, she didnt play any events from Australia to the MIddle East tournaments, and has a sensible season for once:lol:

Jankovic's 2007 season was the most ridiculous and hillarious scheduling ever. The best one was after winning Edgbaston, she went to Holland, and then back to Wimby! :haha:

vettipooh
Jul 17th, 2008, 11:32 AM
Since it says "career" and not schedule, I'm gonna say the last 5 who retired prematurely. :tape:

jjlove
Jul 17th, 2008, 11:33 AM
To me and without any doubt Anabel Medina. She goes to play Tier IV and Tier III like Fez or her beloved Strasbourg and Palermo when the maximum she can improve is like 1-2 positions if winning the tournament and she misses much more important tournaments were she could have more points passing fewer rounds.

up!
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:15 PM
Alizé Cornet playing only on clay this year. One the one hand it's clever because she could reach top 20 and maybe more. But if she wants to be top 5, she will have to learn how to play on hardcourts and skip the Mickey Mouse tournaments like Acapulco & Budapest.

Dexter
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Jankovic's 2007 season was the most ridiculous and hillarious scheduling ever. The best one was after winning Edgbaston, she went to Holland, and then back to Wimby! :haha:How about Stuttgart -> Bangkok -> Zurich in 3 weeks? :spit: I don't think it's beatable in category dumbest scheduling ever. :tape:

Highlandman
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:24 PM
Sandra Kloesel. Best surface is fast hardcourt, but has to play Clay so many times & she also said she does not like it. Seems like another person is making her schedule :o

Droolv
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:26 PM
Alicia Molik - Please play some ITFs :awww:

babsi
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:30 PM
These are pretty bad:
Jelena Dokic - 2000
Oct 8: Tokyo
Oct 15: Zurich
Oct 22: Shanghai
Oct 29: Moscow

And in 2002, she managed to play 4 continents in 4 weeks or so: US Open, Bahia, Tokyo, Leipzig

Has to be one of the worst schedulers ever.

ViennaCalling
Jul 17th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Tamira :o

Even being in a big slump she just plays Grand Slams and Tier I tournaments instead of Tier II, III or IV tournaments :help:

Chris 84
Jul 17th, 2008, 01:23 PM
Golovin

- she comes back too soon after injuries, and last year was mad to play so much on green clay with her injury-prone ankle. She played great tennis to win Amelia Island, but it possibly contributed to her injuries.

Medina
Jul 17th, 2008, 01:30 PM
To me and without any doubt Anabel Medina. She goes to play Tier IV and Tier III like Fez or her beloved Strasbourg and Palermo when the maximum she can improve is like 1-2 positions if winning the tournament and she misses much more important tournaments were she could have more points passing fewer rounds.

:bowdown: But this year i think has been a little more intellegent i think from her.. I mean when its her favourite surface i dont know why she does tournments liek that. But Fes she really shouldnt of done. I think going to Portoz was a smart move actualy.

Freakan
Jul 17th, 2008, 03:12 PM
Uberoi sisters :yeah:
Playng qualies of every WTA tournament instead of some challengers. Now their ranking dropped so much that they have to play challengers:o Neha still chooses the bigger ones, Shikha is ranked so low that she has to play 10k's :o

RND
Jul 17th, 2008, 03:28 PM
Michaella Krajicek.

jimbo mack
Jul 17th, 2008, 03:31 PM
players who play too many weeks in a row and end up injured or burnt out, (clijsters, jankovic, hingis, davenport pre birth)

justine and maria have (had) smarter schedules, more breaks in between tournaments

kinseh
Jul 17th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Kim played wayyyy too many tournaments, which resulted in injuries. Her scheduling in 2006 wasn't as bad as the other years, though.

Edit: Oh, and Alize Cornet. She only plays on clay. :lol:

CooCooCachoo
Jul 17th, 2008, 06:18 PM
Unfortunately, Camerin. When her form wasn't there and her ranking dropped as a logical consequence, she decided to play more and more in lower tier events, foregoing the ITF circuit altogether. These events were pretty much on clay, which is her worst surface.

Now she has been forced to play more ITFs. The ITFs she plays, however, are, again, almost all on clay. She also plays very irregularly, taking weeks off at random, when she should be clawing her way back up.

In my opinion, MEC should be playing the ITF circuit in the States, where the field is worse compared to the claycourt events she entered in Europe, and where the match between her game and the surface is much better.

tim2502
Jul 17th, 2008, 06:25 PM
Marion Batorli and Hsieh Su-Wei

@danieln1
Jul 17th, 2008, 06:25 PM
Kim Clijsters in 2003, playing every tournament that she could AND doubles, 2004 was a waste year for her thanks for that
Jankovic in 2007, played every tournament on earth, now 2008 she´s not having a great year with tons of injuries

Freakan
Jul 17th, 2008, 06:46 PM
Why is almost everyone mentioning their faves? :lol: I guess ppl want to find explanation for bad results of their favorite players :p

starin
Jul 17th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Why is almost everyone mentioning their faves? :lol: I guess ppl want to find explanation for bad results of their favorite players :p

cuz usually you only really know the schedules of your favs players. like i have no idea what some of the other players have played so far.

I think Serena's schedule right now is kinda whack.

Wimbledon-WTT-Stanford-Los Angeles- Olympics-USO that's too much Serena.

Venus schedule earlier this year was kinda whack too.

Doha-Memphis-Bangalore

good thing she lost early in Doha and Memphis or else she would've prolly injured herself and not won her 5th Wimbledon and 7th slam!!!! :hearts::hearts::hearts:

Thank you Cibulkova and Petra Kvitova. :kiss: