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Marty-Dom
Jul 3rd, 2008, 11:08 PM
I remember Serena said in 2003 that she doesn't want to have Alves be the referee during any of her matches after the USO Capriati match.
I guess they made up since. To have her back calling Serena match, in a GS semi no less, is a big deal.

Willam
Jul 3rd, 2008, 11:11 PM
boring.

LightWarrior
Jul 3rd, 2008, 11:17 PM
I'm surprised Mariana Alves is still an umpire.

TomasUli
Jul 3rd, 2008, 11:22 PM
I'm surprised Mariana Alves is still an umpire.

Yup... she should be officating the junior games :tape::lol:

hacberto
Jul 3rd, 2008, 11:22 PM
I think she can't umpire any match at the US Open
But I think they gave her another chance with the beginning of the challenges

Dawson.
Jul 3rd, 2008, 11:30 PM
it was 2004

the cat
Jul 3rd, 2008, 11:35 PM
Marianna Alves should never unpire a match of Serena Williams again. Especially in a grand slam. How can a chair umpire who did such a terrible job to Serena in the 2004 U.S. Open be given a Wimbledon semifinal match of Serena's to umpire. :confused: It doesn't add up. Maybe Larry Scott is behind it. ;)

TomasUli
Jul 3rd, 2008, 11:58 PM
too bad the reporters didn't notice... it would have been nice had they asked Serena her thoughts about it. :lol:

Direwolf
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:13 AM
Seriously i think Serena has moved on...
and i dont even think that Serena has noticed it

Serenita
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:18 AM
I'm surprised Mariana Alves is still an umpire.


agree!:lol:

LadyLil
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:21 AM
I'm surprised Mariana Alves is still an umpire.

So am I.

416_Man
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:23 AM
Mariana Alves has been at the US Open nearly every year since 2004. She's a gold badge chair umpire (the very highest reserved for a small few), nonetheless, and is essentially mandated at each grand slam.

I bet she requested to not do Serena's matches (it's the chair umpire who says which players she'd rather not umpire not the player's... though it's often mutual)but now must have been a change of heart.

Umpires make errors. Players make errors. If umpires made only a quarter as many errors as players do in a match, players still would be upset.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:42 AM
Okay... does this mean that Venus will be winning Wimbledon this year? :unsure:

Craig.
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:44 AM
Hoping Lang or Welch are up on the chair for the ladies' final.

Denise4925
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:46 AM
She officiated both Venus and Serena's matches? I didn't notice her on Serena's match, but the commentators did mention her US Open faux pas on Venus' match on NBC as being the sole reason for the challenge system.

Craig.
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:49 AM
She officiated both Venus and Serena's matches? I didn't notice her on Serena's match, but the commentators did mention her US Open faux pas on Venus' match on NBC as being the sole reason for the challenge system.

Yeah, that was pretty funny :lol:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 4th, 2008, 02:44 AM
She is kinda cute

Marty-Dom
Jul 4th, 2008, 02:46 AM
She is kinda cute

:eek: Look closer.

http://fotos.sapo.pt/cmorais24/pic/00112pbg/s320x240

Tennisstar86
Jul 4th, 2008, 02:50 AM
im not the wta us a joke. Theirs no punishment for umps who do their jobs badly... that 04 match isnt her only bad one.... but they dont enforce rules at all... on court coaching.. etc....

gmokb
Jul 4th, 2008, 02:51 AM
She officiated both Venus and Serena's matches? I didn't notice her on Serena's match, but the commentators did mention her US Open faux pas on Venus' match on NBC as being the sole reason for the challenge system.

Yeah, are you guys sure she was the ump for Serena's match? She was the ump for Venus/Lena, why would she get both semis?

darrinbaker00
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:10 AM
"Mariana" looked and sounded an awful lot like Sandra de Jenken to me..... :shrug:

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:12 AM
:eek: Look closer.

http://fotos.sapo.pt/cmorais24/pic/00112pbg/s320x240

Hahaha , I confused her with other umpire then . I donīt know them very well as you see

delicatecutter
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:15 AM
"Mariana" looked and sounded an awful lot like Sandra de Jenken to me..... :shrug:

BWAH! :spit:

Princess Sarah.
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:17 AM
bah she shouldn't be allowed to umpire!

drake3781
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:18 AM
I really don't think players can decide they don't want a certain official. I cannot imagine letting players list whom they don't want officiating their matches, and then having to manage and work from that list. They take whomever they are assigned. If I'm wrong I will be highly surprised.

darrinbaker00
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:21 AM
I really don't think players can decide they don't want a certain official. I cannot imagine letting players list whom they don't want officiating their matches, and then having to manage and work from that list. They take whomever they are assigned. If I'm wrong I will be highly surprised.
That sounds great in theory, but when (insert star player's name here) threatens to not play if (insert umpire's name here) is in the chair, guess what? John McEnroe got away with that on several occasions.

darrinbaker00
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:27 AM
bah she shouldn't be allowed to umpire!
Yes, because Mariana Alves is the only chair umpire in the history of tennis to make a bad overrule. :rolleyes:

Look, if it wasn't for Ms. Alves' faux pas, we wouldn't have a challenge system, and calls like hers would be happening with greater frequency. Also, like someone said earlier, it was FOUR YEARS AGO. LET IT GO!!

RVD
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:31 AM
I'm surprised Mariana Alves is still an umpire.DITTO!

Don't they have to pass some sort of competency training?! :o :tape:

moby
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:35 AM
Yes, because Mariana Alves is the only chair umpire in the history of tennis to make a bad overrule. :rolleyes:

Look, if it wasn't for Ms. Alves' faux pas, we wouldn't have a challenge system, and calls like hers would be happening with greater frequency. Also, like someone said earlier, it was FOUR YEARS AGO. LET IT GO!!That wasn't just a bad overrule. It was a BADDDD overrule. Besides in the last game of the match, she also contributed to another 3 or 4 poor line calls (either by overruling or not overruling) that all went against Serena.

We have a challenge system now; naturally, Alves found a way to bring her incompetence to greater heights. That's right, she refused to let Elena challenge an out serve yesterday. :tape:

Wtrain
Jul 4th, 2008, 04:09 AM
We all should thank Mariana Alves!!!....... her incompetence brought us the challenge system! :worship: :lol:

Tennisstar86
Jul 4th, 2008, 04:21 AM
That wasn't just a bad overrule. It was a BADDDD overrule. Besides in the last game of the match, she also contributed to another 3 or 4 poor line calls (either by overruling or not overruling) that all went against Serena.

We have a challenge system now; naturally, Alves found a way to bring her incompetence to greater heights. That's right, she refused to let Elena challenge an out serve yesterday. :tape:

Elena played the serve.... it was the right call...for once...

In The Zone
Jul 4th, 2008, 04:24 AM
Alves didn't umpire Serena's match. She umpired Venus/Elena.

moby
Jul 4th, 2008, 05:01 AM
Elena played the serve.... it was the right call...for once...Players usually react to serves. Their utmost priority is to make contact with the ball, not to see where exactly the ball lands. Besides most players play the balls they challenge; they are simply expected to stop play right after that and not engage in a rally. In yesterday's situation, Elena's return was out; there was no rally, so that was not an issue at all.

No, it's not unfair. It may seem that way - what?!! Elena gets to take a cut at the ball and challenge the serve if her return is unsatisfactory?!? - but Elena doesn't actually have her cake and eat it. If Elena's return had been a winner, then Venus could have challenged the call on her serve. I've seen that happen before.

ASP0315
Jul 4th, 2008, 05:09 AM
Alves is better than Sandra DeJekin anyway.

mistakes happens. Umpries are humans after all.
players need to deal with them.

Actually the real reason for that hawkeye is Sandra Dejenkin.

moby
Jul 4th, 2008, 05:13 AM
Alves is better than Sandra DeJekin anyway.

mistakes happens. Umpries are humans after all.
players need to deal with them.

Actually the real reason for that hawkeye is Sandra Dejenkin.Actually, Sandra's "error" - I assume you're talking about the 04 Australian final - was within Hawkeye's margin of error (2-3mm). So her call might have been right. She is definitely not worse than Alves.

ASP0315
Jul 4th, 2008, 05:34 AM
Actually, Sandra's "error" - I assume you're talking about the 04 Australian final - was within Hawkeye's margin of error (2-3mm). So her call might have been right. She is definitely not worse than Alves.

My point is umpires make mistake they are after all human. players need to play with those kind of calls. It doesn't matter if it was within the hawkeye's margin of error or not. mistake is a mistake. period.

Oh BTW i have seen calls worser than what alves did. :lol: But the fact is simple, that call was only noticed because Serena was playing. Had that been any other player the media/commentators and fans will ignore it. typical

I read about her in ITF alves is one of the top officials. percentage wise, she got many of the calls correct.

Fabunny
Jul 4th, 2008, 05:39 AM
Ditto. If you watch the match on Wimbledon Live, you can see that the umpire for the Serena match is clearly Sandra DeJenkins and not Marianna. Besides, my understanding is that umpires are not permitted to officiate 2 matches on the same court in a row.

wateva
Jul 4th, 2008, 07:38 AM
if the margin for error is indeed 2-3mm, what should happen to those calls which hawkeye says it's 1mm in? :shrug:

evan2907
Jul 4th, 2008, 08:22 AM
The Williams made, make and will make errors too, and so. They're still tennis players, no ?

eck
Jul 4th, 2008, 08:38 AM
I doubt Serena cares who umpires her again even if they've done her wrong. :o

Calypso
Jul 4th, 2008, 08:56 AM
Aha! So she was the one. I was wondering when I saw the umpire, "Isn't that the woman who robbed Serena at the US open?:eek:"

I was also shocked to see her ump that match, and once again she had a moment of indecision when she failed to see a Venus serve that was clearly out and wouldn't confirm :rolleyes:.

At least it wasn't out by a mile like Capriati's forehand in New York:tape:.

moby
Jul 4th, 2008, 09:11 AM
if the margin for error is indeed 2-3mm, what should happen to those calls which hawkeye says it's 1mm in? :shrug:It's the current system so the players have to deal with it. But it's not a question of "if": Hawkeye isn't perfect. :shrug: I guess its saving grace is that it doesn't make ridiculous errors, and that the errors it makes are "objective". I remember at last year's Wimbledon, Hawkeye gave Roger a ridiculous call. If we want to know how precise Hawkeye is, the best way is to use it on clay. But I doubt the company (or the ITF) will want to challenge the legitimacy of a system which has proven popular amongst many fans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk-Eye

"The Hawk-Eye Innovations website states that the system has an average error of 3.6mm (it does not indicate what the maximum error is). The standard size of a tennis ball is reportedly 65 to 68 mm. This means that there is a 5% error relative to the diameter of the ball. This could throw into doubt the accuracy of such calls as the one mentioned in the Nadal-Federer 2007 Wimbledon final. For the sake of comparison, approximately 5% of the diameter is the fluff on the ball."

I actually overestimated Hawkeye's capabilities. My bad.

John.
Jul 4th, 2008, 10:23 AM
I thought Eva (Can't remember her surname :o)umpired Serena's match

AnnaK_4ever
Jul 4th, 2008, 11:39 AM
Before hating on umpires most of you could have differentiated Alves from Asderaki, to begin with :tape:

FFS
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:50 PM
EvaAsderaky umpired Serena's match
Mariana Alves umpired Venus's match
Anyway Marian alves already umpird Serene's matches. It has been in Moscow, she umpired the QF Serena-Vaidisova and the Final Serena-Dementieva

The umpire selected for the final doens't umpire semifinals.

Craigy
Jul 4th, 2008, 12:57 PM
Exactly. It was Eva Asderaki umpiring Serena's semi-final yesterday.
Also the US Open match you're talking about was in 2004.

Marty-Dom
Jul 4th, 2008, 02:30 PM
I took a screen shot of the highlights video where they clearly showed the umpire. It looked like Alves to me when I watched it on TV.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7890/refgp2.th.jpg (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=refgp2.jpg)

FFS
Jul 4th, 2008, 02:38 PM
I took a screen shot of the highlights video where they clearly showed the umpire. It looked like Alves to me when I watched it on TV.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7890/refgp2.th.jpg (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=refgp2.jpg)
It's Eva Asderaki

Ripley
Jul 4th, 2008, 03:53 PM
Exactly. It was Eva Asderaki umpiring Serena's semi-final yesterday.
Also the US Open match you're talking about was in 2004.

Agreed: It was Eva Asderaki umpiring Serena's semi-final yesterday

Source: In Serena vs Zheng SF match report on Wimbledon site, it says this "during the changeover, umpire Eva Asderaki suspended play for rain."
http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/match_reports/2008-07-03/200807031215095917375.html

Not quite: Also the US Open match you're talking about was in 2004.

Actually, it was Alves who officiated the '04 USO match between Serena & Capriati
Source: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/5933547/
Officials apologize to Serena for bad call
Umpire dismissed from Open after mistake in Williams loss to Capriati
http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040908/040908_alves_vmed_11a.standard.jpg
Chair umpire Mariana Alves


I took a screen shot of the highlights video where they clearly showed the umpire. It looked like Alves to me when I watched it on TV.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7890/refgp2.th.jpg (http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=refgp2.jpg)
It's Eva Asderaki

Agreed. For a photo comparison, we can see she is the same person in this youtube vid having a discussion with Venus at AO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9DkCXqkNUQ&feature=related

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7468/evaasderakixh7.th.jpg (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evaasderakixh7.jpg)

SV_Fan
Jul 4th, 2008, 04:12 PM
She was umpiring Venus' match. BEcause Elena was trying to argue with her.

Craigy
Jul 4th, 2008, 04:19 PM
Not quite: Also the US Open match you're talking about was in 2004.

Actually, it was Alves who officiated the '04 USO match between Serena & Capriati
Source: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/5933547/
Officials apologize to Serena for bad call
Umpire dismissed from Open after mistake in Williams loss to Capriati
http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040908/040908_alves_vmed_11a.standard.jpg
Chair umpire Mariana Alves

I know Alves umpired the US Open 2004 match. :shrug:

VS Fan
Jul 4th, 2008, 04:30 PM
I will give this umpire credit for bringing the spot shot challenge to tennis. The horrible call she made in Serena's match against J. Cap is what led to this change in the rules.
The ball was in by a foot or more and she overruled the linesman!! WTF?? Jen had already moved to the opposite court for the next serve. I love the challenge. It keeps linesmen and Chair umpires on their toes. Line calls are more accurate now.
I did not see that match, Hurricane Francis had knocked out power earlier that night. However I have seen replays of the controversial call. Incredible bad call by chair umpire.
Thank you for that awful overule. Tennis is improved because of you.

thomas.chung
Jul 4th, 2008, 05:53 PM
At first I was like most of you guys hatin' on Alves. But I've heard that Serena has said that she has gotten past the whole thing and that the whole fiasco is over. If Serena can get over this, why can't us. I mean umpire make mistakes like us mere mortals too, they are not god nor any holy person.

My point is, GET THIS OVER WITH! THAT IS SOOOOOOO 2004.... jeeez people! :P