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Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 06:52 PM
Hola. Como estas? :lol:

So yeah, in anticipation of the seedings coming out tomorrow, I decided to make this thread. Feel free to talk about anything that has to do with the seedings or not, just to build up the hype for the whole thing. Have fun. BTW, anyone know at what time (local) the seedings will be known?

Dodoboy.
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:09 PM
Draws are out tommorow?

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:10 PM
Nope, seedings. Hence the thread title. ;)

jbeacinu
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:13 PM
i wonder what the seeding will be 2-4

serenus_2k8
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Orly? I didnt realise it was 2moro, I would guess about 1?

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Orly? I didnt realise it was 2moro, I would guess about 1?

1PM local time? Do you know at around what time it came out last year?

LH2HBH
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:33 PM
Considering grass court performance and rank, I would love to see...

#1 Venus Williams
#2 Serena Williams
#3 Maria Sharapova
#4 Ana Ivanovic
#5 Jelena Jankovic

#15 Amelie Mauresmo
#16 Lindsay Davenport

Even though I know it would never happen
:P

Slutiana
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:44 PM
A smart seeding would be

1. Maria*
2. Venus
3. Ana*
4. Serena

*I don't think maria will win and by no means do I think that Ana is the fourth link in the big four. ;)

Lindsay will get a top 16 seeding for sure.

LH2HBH
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:49 PM
A smart seeding would be

1. Maria*
2. Venus
3. Ana*
4. Serena

*I don't think maria will win and by no means do I think that Ana is the fourth link in the big four. ;)

Lindsay will get a top 16 seeding for sure.

As big a Maria fan as I am, then why would a one-time champion from four years ago be above a 4-time and defending champion? Anyways, I guess we are all getting ahead of ourselves!!! ;)

Sean.
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:51 PM
Considering grass court performance and rank, I would love to see...

#1 Venus Williams
#2 Serena Williams
#3 Maria Sharapova
#4 Ana Ivanovic
#5 Jelena Jankovic

#15 Amelie Mauresmo
#16 Lindsay Davenport

Even though I know it would never happen
:P

A smart seeding would be

1. Maria*
2. Venus
3. Ana*
4. Serena

*I don't think maria will win and by no means do I think that Ana is the fourth link in the big four. ;)

Lindsay will get a top 16 seeding for sure.

They can't move the top seed!

sammy01
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:52 PM
ok so who are the players that are out that would have been seeding and who and what rank does seeding go upto now? also is dani h still in?

champion88
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:55 PM
They can't move the top seed!

They can - Serena was #1 seed when she lost to Sharapova in 2004 final, but she was only ranked around #7

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:59 PM
yes they can serena was seeded #1 in '04 yet ranked 10 if i remember rightly.

Yup, 10.

sammy01
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:59 PM
They can't move the top seed!

yes they can serena was seeded #1 in '04 yet ranked 10 if i remember rightly.

Slutiana
Jun 17th, 2008, 07:59 PM
They can't move the top seed!

They can - Serena was #1 seed when she lost to Sharapova in 2004 final, but she was only ranked around #7
Got there before me. :p


Especially considering the shaky ground she is on as the world no.1. She's nowhere near the *Definitive* no.1 (i.e dominating the whole tour) so it's not 100% certain. Especially when it's maria with the great record this year, the big winning streak and the greatrecord at wimbledon overall.

Oneofakind0490
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Serena had a special seeding due to her injury didnt she?

mckyle.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Serena had a special seeding due to her injury didnt she?

Yes. The only reason Serena was the #1 seed was because Justine (the #1 at the time) withdrew due to that bug she had in 2004. Otherwise, Serena would have been the #2 seed.

The WTA Tour decided to not use the injury ranking/seeding after the 2004 season, I believe.

Slutiana
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:07 PM
Yes. The only reason Serena was the #1 seed was because Justine (the #1 at the time) withdrew due to that bug she had in 2004. Otherwise, Serena would have been the #2 seed.

The WTA Tour decided to not use the injury ranking/seeding after the 2004 season, I believe.
Justine would still be number one had she not retired so again, the no.1 seed could be changed....

OsloErik
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:09 PM
I think the 1-4 will be exactly like rank. The 900 point difference between Kuznetsova and Venus isn't something you can easily gloss over. I CAN imagine Venus moving up to #5, with Serena #6, Dementieva #7, Chakvetadze #8.

I don't think the women go by the same formula as the men, in which there's a standardized way to rank the seeds.

jbeacinu
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:10 PM
I think the 1-4 will be exactly like rank. The 900 point difference between Kuznetsova and Venus isn't something you can easily gloss over. I CAN imagine Venus moving up to #5, with Serena #6, Dementieva #7, Chakvetadze #8.

I don't think the women go by the same formula as the men, in which there's a standardized way to rank the seeds.

exactly like the rank this week or what it will be like next week?
makes a big dif for jj =\

mckyle.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:11 PM
Justine would still be number one had she not retired so again, the no.1 seed could be changed....

Those are completely different circumstances. That argument makes no sense at all.

Slutiana
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:15 PM
Those are completely different circumstances. That argument makes no sense at all.

Especially considering the shaky ground she is on as the world no.1. She's nowhere near the *Definitive* no.1 (i.e dominating the whole tour) so it's not 100% certain. Especially when it's maria with the great record this year, the big winning streak and the greatrecord at wimbledon overall.
Not to mention the fact that grass isn't Ana's best surface and it is Maria's/

markdelaney
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Have they ever moved a woman up in the rankings other than a Williams ?

I don't think they'll mess with the rankings much if at all, though in the men's seedings you can rest assured that Andy Murray will be moved up to number 8 despite a very modest record on grass.

OsloErik
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:19 PM
exactly like the rank this week or what it will be like next week?
makes a big dif for jj =\

Oh, probably this week. It's a little hard to justify bumping Sharapova up to #2 when she lost in the same round as Jankovic in 2007.

OsloErik
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:19 PM
Have they ever moved a woman up in the rankings other than a Williams ?

I don't think they'll mess with the rankings much if at all, though in the men's seedings you can rest assured that Andy Murray will be moved up to number 8 despite a very modest record on grass.

They moved up Mauresmo last year, didn't they?

TTomek
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:19 PM
don't like the way of making seeds here :o

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:20 PM
Oh, probably this week. It's a little hard to justify bumping Sharapova up to #2 when she lost in the same round as Jankovic in 2007.

Do they normally only look at the previous year or past years as well?

TSequoia01
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:21 PM
I pray and hope neither sister is in the top 4. :devil: That way they will not meet before the Semis...when they are 5 and 6. :worship::worship::cool:

Dodoboy.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:24 PM
Yeah if Venus OR Serena are in top 4 seeding i am not sure if i want them in QF or not.

It DOES mean one of them will definitely be in the final 4 if they reach the QF stage but at Wimbledon i would love a SF match or F.

tommystar
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:24 PM
Graf was seeded #2 in 1999 and was ranked #3.
Navratilova was seeded #2 in 1993 and was ranked #3.

markdelaney
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:27 PM
Not to mention the fact that grass isn't Ana's best surface and it is Maria's/

I think it is debatable that grass is Maria's best surface. I would say hard courts are her best. Grass certainly isn't Ana's, that's for sure

Dodoboy.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:27 PM
And i would LOVE one of the williams CRUSHING the other!

LOVE LOVE LOVE it!

Hopefully Serena crushing Vee because if it was the other way round Serena would just explode and may never talk to Vee again.

Vee def Serena 6-2 6-1 :hearts:

OK, what am i doing. So off topic!

I am talking to myself :)

mckyle.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:27 PM
I am talking to myself :)

As usual.

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:27 PM
And i would LOVE one of the williams CRUSHING the other!

LOVE LOVE LOVE it!

Hopefully Serena crushing Vee because if it was the other way round Serena would just explode and may never talk to Vee again.

Vee def Serena 6-2 6-1 :hearts:

OK, what am i doing. So off topic!

I am talking to myself :)

Serena crushing Vee = Vee def Serena 6-2 6-1? :lol:

OsloErik
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:29 PM
Do they normally only look at the previous year or past years as well?

The women don't have a formula, if I'm not mistaken, so it's pretty much all on feel, but of course the previous year has the most bearing. And if you're talking about things done on grass, Jelena had a very good pre-Wimbledon grass season last year, while Sharapova hasn't had a great grass season beyond that Wimbledon SF in '06 since 2005.

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:31 PM
The women don't have a formula, if I'm not mistaken, so it's pretty much all on feel, but of course the previous year has the most bearing. And if you're talking about things done on grass, Jelena had a very good pre-Wimbledon grass season last year, while Sharapova hasn't had a great grass season beyond that Wimbledon SF in '06 since 2005.

Let's hope Larry's in charge of this, for Maria's sake. :lol: ;)

Slutiana
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:32 PM
Serena crushing Vee = Vee def Serena 6-2 6-1? :lol:
:scratch:

OsloErik
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:32 PM
Especially considering the shaky ground she is on as the world no.1. She's nowhere near the *Definitive* no.1 (i.e dominating the whole tour) so it's not 100% certain. Especially when it's maria with the great record this year, the big winning streak and the greatrecord at wimbledon overall.

Well, she's leading the #2 (incidentally, NOT Sharapova) by over 500 points, not to mention reached the semifinals last year. The only top 10 player that did better than Ivanovic on grass last season was Venus, and she's 1500 points behind her. It's awfully hard to justify bumping last year's 4th round loser over the current #1 with semifinalist points from last year.

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:33 PM
:scratch:

Read dodoboy's post and you'll get what I mean :lol:

LightWarrior
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:33 PM
Will they bump up Venus to #4 seed, that is the main anticipation. I think they will considering how average the other top 5 are on grass (except for Sharapova).

Dodoboy.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:33 PM
Yeah but then i wanted the other option :)

Me so crazy :haha:

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:35 PM
Yeah but then i wanted the other option :)

Me so crazy :haha:

Yeah, okay :lol:

OsloErik
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:35 PM
Will they bump up Venus to #4 seed, that is the main anticipation. I think they will considering how average the other top 5 are on grass (except for Sharapova).

I think they'll bump her to #5 or 6, so she'll avoid the top 2 in the quarters (unless I'm mistaken?), but it's hard to move her up 900 points in the rankings when all four top 4 players reached the 4th round or better last year.

Dodoboy.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:37 PM
To be honest i don't particarly care about Vee's seed.

If she is playing well she will win.

She should be able to beat most players before QF, but Nakumura :tape: I just don't know :scratch:

But i would LOVE Chakvedatze for Vee's QF opponent :hearts:

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:37 PM
I think they'll bump her to #5 or 6, so she'll avoid the top 2 in the quarters (unless I'm mistaken?), but it's hard to move her up 900 points in the rankings when all four top 4 players reached the 4th round or better last year.

How can she avoid the top 2 if she's #5 or 6? You can get anyone from the top 4 in the quarters if you're a 5-8 seed. Right?

Slutiana
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:38 PM
Read dodoboy's post and you'll get what I mean :lol:
I was agreeing with you. :lol:

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:38 PM
I was agreeing with you. :lol:

Oh. :lol: My bad then. I thought you were wondering what I meant by my post, which really wasn't that difficult to understand. ;)

OsloErik
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:39 PM
How can she avoid the top 2 if she's #5 or 6? You can get anyone from the top 4 in the quarters if you're a 5-8 seed. Right?

That's what I always thought, but lately people have been saying that the #3 and 4 seeds can only face #5 and 6 in the quarters (but which one is randomly chosen), and the #1 and 2 seeds face #7 and 8.

I didn't think it's how it worked, but I can't really remember well enough, and I can't find anything saying it's NOT so.

QUEENLINDSAY
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:40 PM
The seedings should be based mainly on rankings. Then if they think it needs to be changed, thats the only time they can arrange. Example a top grass court player who's been out for so long that could ruin the draw if they put her as an unseeded floater.

Slutiana
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:41 PM
Oh. :lol: My bad then. I thought you were wondering what I meant by my post, which really wasn't that difficult to understand. ;)
The smilie does make it look like I was just plain confused, though. :lol: next time i'll use this :shrug: one. :p

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:43 PM
That's what I always thought, but lately people have been saying that the #3 and 4 seeds can only face #5 and 6 in the quarters (but which one is randomly chosen), and the #1 and 2 seeds face #7 and 8.

I didn't think it's how it worked, but I can't really remember well enough, and I can't find anything saying it's NOT so.

That's weird. Maria (#5) drew top seed Henin at the AO earlier this year, and she also drew (at #2) Sveta (#5) last year at Wimbledon...

bwahahahahaha
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:43 PM
That's what I always thought, but lately people have been saying that the #3 and 4 seeds can only face #5 and 6 in the quarters (but which one is randomly chosen), and the #1 and 2 seeds face #7 and 8.

I didn't think it's how it worked, but I can't really remember well enough, and I can't find anything saying it's NOT so.

1-4 can play anyone from 5-8 in the quarters.

Example - AussieOpen - #5 Sharapova d. #1 Henin 6-4 6-0 in quarterfinals :drool:

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:44 PM
The smilie does make it look like I was just plain confused, though. :lol: next time i'll use this :shrug: one. :p

Exactly. :lol:

Thank you, I appreciate that. ;)

jbeacinu
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:51 PM
i just want jelena on opposite side of ana =]

hankqq
Jun 17th, 2008, 08:58 PM
I hope they don't make Venus #4, because then I have a feeling she would draw Serena in the qf, which I DON'T want to happen!!

It would be nice if they made Davenport and Mauresmo in the 17-24 seeding range, so that neither would face a top 8 player until rd.4, should they get that far. For those who don't know, seeds 1-8 always face someone seeded 25-32 in rd.3, and players seeded #9-16 always face someone seeded #17-24 in rd.3.

Direwolf
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:11 PM
I think that the seedings would be:
rank points seed:rank name - previous result - past wimbledon results

4222 1:1 Ivanovic - won french open - 07 Semis, 06 4R
3706 2:3 Sharapova - FO 4r - 07 4R,06 SF, 05 SF, 04 Win
3715 3:2 Jankovic - FO SF - 07,06 4R
3565 4:4 Kuznetsova - FO SF, Eastbourne - 07 QF

2676 5:6 Serena - FO 3R - 07 QF, 05 3R, 04 F, 03 Win, 02 Win
2606 6:7 Venus - FO 3R - 07 Win, 06 3R, 05 Win, 04 2R, 03 F
1055 7:26 Lindsay - AI SF - 05 F, 04 SF, 03 QF, 01 SF, 00 F
2750 8:5 Dementieva - FO QF - 07 3R,06 QF, 05 4R

9- Chakvetadze
10-Bartoli

13-16
Momo would be somewhere in that region

markdelaney
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:24 PM
But i would LOVE Chakvedatze for Vee's QF opponent :hearts:

I think most seeds would be happy to have Chakvetadze in their section.

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:32 PM
I think most seeds would be happy to have Chakvetadze in their section.

Maria, please. :p

jbeacinu
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:33 PM
Psh let's be real guys...Chakvetadze won't get to the 4th round

Craig.
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Psh let's be real guys...Chakvetadze won't get to the QF's

Even if she doesn't, the 1-4 seed's quarterfinal opponent would be significantly easier than the other 3 5-8 seeds.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:43 PM
The system of Wimbledon is utter crap

I agree with those spaniards who withdrew in the past decade

sammy01
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:47 PM
Psh let's be real guys...Chakvetadze won't get to the 4th round

shes so gonna win, i mean come on look at that beating she gave kerber today. i think your just trying to play her down cus she owns jj :p

alwayshingis
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:48 PM
Venus' Wimbledon credentials certainly warrant a top 4 seed. BUT, what will actually happen is that she will be promoted to seed #5 or #6, which is a head fake toward acknowledging her accomplishments without actually changing the draw in any way. Then we will get the draw, and the #7 seed will have a much easier draw than Venus ultimately got, and everyone will cry foul. Just wait.

Cp6uja
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:50 PM
I expect this season finaly at Wimbledon all 32 seeds in order of this week WTA list.

But still, i notice couple possible changes:

#2 seed Sharapova instead Jankovic.
#4 seed Venus instead Kuznetsova.
#8 seed Bartoli instead Chakvetadze.
#23/#24 seeds Davenport/Mauresmo instead Srebotnik/Peer (Golovin is withdraw)

SEEDS Groups with totaly same status at Draw:
#1-#2 , #3-#4 , #5-#8 , #9-#12 , #13-#16 , #17-#24 , #25-#32

So no sense to expect movement and changes between players in same "seeds group".

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:51 PM
Oh , and when they bumped their useless hero Tim "cold chest" Henman from number 25-30 to number 10

sammy01
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:53 PM
I expect this season finaly at Wimbledon all 32 seeds in order of this week WTA list.

But still, i notice couple possible changes:

#2 seed Sharapova instead Jankovic.
#4 seed Venus instead Kuznetsova.
#8 seed Bartoli instead Chakvetadze.
#23/#24 seeds Davenport/Mauresmo instead Srebotnik/Peer (Golovin is withdraw)

SEEDS Groups with totaly same status at Draw:
#1-#2 , #3-#4 , #5-#8 , #9-#12 , #13-#16 , #17-#24 , #25-#32

So no sense to expect movement and changes between players in same "seeds group".

theres no way they can bump bartoli up to #8 i will cry if they do and chaky is #9.

Il Primo!
Jun 17th, 2008, 09:54 PM
yes they can serena was seeded #1 in '04 yet ranked 10 if i remember rightly.

They can - Serena was #1 seed when she lost to Sharapova in 2004 final, but she was only ranked around #7

It was a protected rank, not an upgrade by Wimbledon directors. Plus the world numbers one and two (JH and Kim) were not even playing:p

Il Primo!
Jun 17th, 2008, 10:01 PM
Justine would still be number one had she not retired so again, the no.1 seed could be changed....

Justine's considered as dead by the PC you know, she's not sideligned, she's DEAD.

vw.
Jun 18th, 2008, 12:22 AM
Venus' Wimbledon credentials certainly warrant a top 4 seed. BUT, what will actually happen is that she will be promoted to seed #5 or #6, which is a head fake toward acknowledging her accomplishments without actually changing the draw in any way. Then we will get the draw, and the #7 seed will have a much easier draw than Venus ultimately got, and everyone will cry foul. Just wait.

Hate to say it, but I agree.

I'm almost tempted to say just keep them as they are. I mean, I'd love for Venus to be seeded in the top 4 so she could possibly draw Chaky, but there's then the chance she'll draw Serena. For the sake of the Williams sisters, by keeping them 6 and 7, they'll have a much better chance of meeting later in the event.

*Jool*
Jun 18th, 2008, 01:25 AM
I expect this season finaly at Wimbledon all 32 seeds in order of this week WTA list.

But still, i notice couple possible changes:

#2 seed Sharapova instead Jankovic.
#4 seed Venus instead Kuznetsova.
#8 seed Bartoli instead Chakvetadze.
#23/#24 seeds Davenport/Mauresmo instead Srebotnik/Peer (Golovin is withdraw)

SEEDS Groups with totaly same status at Draw:
#1-#2 , #3-#4 , #5-#8 , #9-#12 , #13-#16 , #17-#24 , #25-#32

So no sense to expect movement and changes between players in same "seeds group".
oh my :tape: I wanted Lindsay to be moved up to the 17-24 group (and Momo deserves it too ) but if it is at the expense of Kata , which hence would meet again a top 8 seed in round 3 , this would actually piss me off :fiery: :sad:
oh well , let's just wait for the draw anyway :)

DA FOREHAND
Jun 18th, 2008, 01:30 AM
I don't care about seedings the cream always rises to the top

asiandude
Jun 18th, 2008, 06:09 AM
I expect this season finaly at Wimbledon all 32 seeds in order of this week WTA list.

But still, i notice couple possible changes:

#2 seed Sharapova instead Jankovic.
#4 seed Venus instead Kuznetsova.
#8 seed Bartoli instead Chakvetadze.
#23/#24 seeds Davenport/Mauresmo instead Srebotnik/Peer (Golovin is withdraw)

SEEDS Groups with totaly same status at Draw:
#1-#2 , #3-#4 , #5-#8 , #9-#12 , #13-#16 , #17-#24 , #25-#32

So no sense to expect movement and changes between players in same "seeds group".


Agree with you. I think will happen.

Cp6uja
Jun 18th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Agree with you. I think will happen.
I just notice at Wimbledon official site article about this season seeds:
Wimbledon seeds announced on 18 June (http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2008-06-17/200806171213733279296.html)


Tuesday, 17 June, 2008
Written by AELTC

The seedings for the 2008 Championships will be announced by the AELTC on Wednesday 18 June.

32 players will be seeded in the men's and ladies' singles. These will be the top 32 players on the ATP Entry System Position (ESP) and the WTA Tour ranking.

Men's Singles

The men's singles ranking is arranged on a surface-based system to reflect more accurately the individual player's grass court achievement as per the following formula:

ESP points as at a week before The Championships
Add 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months
Add 75% points earned for best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that


Ladies' Singles

For the ladies singles, the seeding order follows the ranking list, except where in the opinion of the Committe, the grass court credentials of a particular player necessitates a change in the interest of acheiving a balanced draw.So it's definetly dont be changing anything within same "seeds groups" and maybe this season they will not change anything in WTA part. But still all changes which i notice like possible (Sharapova from 3-4 to #2, Venus from 5-8 to #4, Bartoli from 9-12 to #8 and Davenport and Mauresmo from 25-32 to #23 and #24) is still exist like option for more grasscourt "balanced" draw.

The Kaz
Jun 18th, 2008, 10:48 AM
I just notice at Wimbledon official site article about this season seeds:
So it's definetly dont be changing anything within same "seeds groups" and maybe this season they will not change anything in WTA part. But still all changes which i notice like possible (Sharapova from 3-4 to #2, Venus from 5-8 to #4, Bartoli from 9-12 to #8 and Davenport and Mauresmo from 25-32 to #23 and #24) is still exist like option for more grasscourt "balanced" draw.

What time is the release?

Cp6uja
Jun 18th, 2008, 10:52 AM
What time is the release?This is quote of full article... they not say.

Slutiana
Jun 18th, 2008, 10:54 AM
Justine's considered as dead by the PC you know, she's not sideligned, she's DEAD.
:scared: :unsure:

Cp6uja
Jun 18th, 2008, 11:15 AM
I expect this season finaly at Wimbledon all 32 seeds in order of this week WTA list.Wimbledon Seeds is announced (http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2008-06-18/200806171213733279296.html) and most expecting scenario (for me) is happen. This year they nothing change in official WTA ranks order.