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clonesheep
Jun 14th, 2008, 03:01 PM
In the last few years we have seen many new young players being hyped as the next star. Most turned out to be a bust. Only a few made it to the top. Here's my assessment:

Hypes:

Karolina Sprem
Anna-Lena Groenefeld
Tatiana Golovin
Nicole Vaidisova
Sesil Karatantcheva

Real deal:

Maria Sharapova
Jelena Jankovic
Ana Ivanovic

Let's wait to see how the current hypes will turn out to be. I am betting on Vika Azarenka and Agnes Szavay to succeed, and the rest to fail.

InsideOut.
Jun 14th, 2008, 03:25 PM
I'm betting on Vika to fail, Agi, Aga and Caro to succeed, Alize and Domi to stay in Top 20, the others with drop like stones.

And honestly I'm expecting Larcher de Brito to fail, sorry. The pressure will get to her. And once others figure out her ballbashing game she will fade away like :sad: Nicole.

Tati wasn't overhyped; she just got way too many injuries. :sad:

Aravanecaravan
Jun 14th, 2008, 03:25 PM
IMO it's way too early to write off players who aren't even old enough to legally drink. Players develop at different rates. Four years ago, Jankovic didn't seem like she was destined for the top 3, but here she is, at 23.

Vaidisova and Golovin, in particular, have loads of talent, but for whatever reason, haven't yet realized it. They still have time.

clonesheep
Jun 14th, 2008, 03:53 PM
I'm betting on Vika to fail, Agi, Aga and Caro to succeed, Alize and Domi to stay in Top 20, the others with drop like stones.
Vika has both power and finnesse and is still improving. She has also learned to control her tempo. All signs point to positive to me. I agree with you on Agi, who has a nearly complete game except her inexperience at net.

Radwanska will not go to the top due to her lack of power. The days of Hingis type of player are long gone. Even a healthy Hingis herself couldn't make it back to top 8. Wozniacki, Alize Cornet, and Cibulkova are all solidly above average but nothing spectacular. I like them but they will not be superstars.

And honestly I'm expecting Larcher de Brito to fail, sorry. The pressure will get to her. And once others figure out her ballbashing game she will fade away like :sad: Nicole.
Very true. At this point I would put Larcher de Brito's potential at the level of Karolina Sprem when she was healthy. Cool ballbashing yes. Complete game no. But of course she can grow in the future.

mirzalover
Jun 14th, 2008, 03:57 PM
I dont see how Sesil can even be on the list when she was banned for like 2 years or something and is justing coming back this year. Golovin gets injured every year so thats her problem. This is Nicole first bad year and people are already calling her hype when she has proved that she has alot of talent.

BartoliBabes
Jun 14th, 2008, 05:35 PM
4 out of those 5 have reached top 20, that's pretty good, and karatancheva had that incident so.. hasn't been all 'hype'

Dav.
Jun 14th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Let's take a look at your hypes:

Tatiana Golovin
Age: 20
Career high rank: 12

So she hasn't played a healthy clay-grass court season without injury since 2004, when she was 16. She ended up getting injured in the events after Wimbledon then, too. Even with a half-schedule due to a severe ankle injury, she still ended the year 13 in 2007 and reached a career high of 12 while injured. She's still very young and if she can stay healthy, could achieve a lot as she's very talented. She didn't recieve Newcomer of the Year for nothing.

Nicole Vaidisova
Age: 19
Career high rank: 7

At the age of 17, she reached the SF at Roland Garros and the Australian and has since then fallen into a bit of a slump due to various issues. She still hasn't even turned 20 so I would expect her to rebound and achieve much, when she gains her interest back.

Karolina Sprem
Age: 23
Career High Rank: 17

Since reaching the Wimbledon QF at 19, K-Lina had a tough sophomore slump and then was met with a few serious injuries. She's obviously talented, but her progress was stopped immediately with these setbacks. I'm not really sure what's in her future, but you can never count her out and she's still young.


Sesil Karatantcheva
Age: 18
Career High Rank: 35

Well, we all know Sesil's story. A QF at Roland Garros and she showed much progress, at 17, ending the year at 35 and she looked destined for a great future in tennis before her ban. Now that she's back, still very young, I think she could do a lot when her form starts to kick in. Her rank has already climbed very high from unranked-213, and now she's in the Wimbledon QD.

Anna-Lena Groenefeld
Age: 23
Career High Rank: 14

I remember Anna-Lena being the huge prospect in 2005, when she reached 14 at age 20. Most people were expecting her to be the next big thing as she was accumulating a few major scalps and consistently going far in draws. Then she met Rafael and everything went downhill. She's starting to show signs of a true comeback and gain of form but I don't know if I could see her making a top-twenty return, but who really knows? She's capable of it, as we know.

You also put Jankovic as one of your "Real Deals." Well, she's just now reached #2 in the world, at 23, and none of these ladies are older that, and three of them are much younger. Jelena started 2006, at 21, with an awful streak losing 10 1R matches straight and looking like more of a "hype" than any of these ladies and look what she did with her year and her career!

I definitely don't think it's fair to count out any of them, with most being so young and several struggling injuries and etc. that has held them back. I honestly believe a couple of them will have great careers.

Slutati
Jun 14th, 2008, 06:16 PM
Tati is not overhyped:rolleyes: she's overinjured:sad:

Cakeisgood
Jun 14th, 2008, 06:48 PM
Agreed with most. I think Agnes and Caro definitely have great shots at making it far. I do like Aga's game, but her lack of power and of a serve will be her undoing (Hingis days are gone :()

FERLKE
Jun 14th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Hypes:

Anna Chakvetadze
Tatiana Golovin
Nicole Vaidisova


Real deal:

Jelena Jankovic
Ana Ivanovic

AndreConrad
Jun 14th, 2008, 07:19 PM
IMO it's way too early to write off players who aren't even old enough to legally drink. Players develop at different rates. Four years ago, Jankovic didn't seem like she was destined for the top 3, but here she is, at 23.
Vaidisova and Golovin, in particular, have loads of talent, but for whatever reason, haven't yet realized it. They still have time.

I couldn't agree more. Players develop at different pace and early bloomer doesn't have to be better than the late one. Also careers never are straight lines upwards. It is more like with mauntain climbing, sometimes you go up, sometimes down to get better footing and sometimes you stop and rest. You can't write off anyone at any age especially in early twenties. On the other hand if you see talent deficiencies it is another story, however many "specialists" were wrong on this subject, too.

Adal
Jun 14th, 2008, 07:25 PM
Hypes:
Karatancheva :tape:

Real deal:
Tati
Nicole

VeeJJ
Jun 14th, 2008, 08:12 PM
dellaqua has done good since her austrailian open run. she has been a consistance rising star.

Tennace
Jun 14th, 2008, 11:50 PM
It's hard to say that Nicole, Tati, and Sesil are only hypes along with a lot of other up and comers. By looking at the list, it seems like Jankovic would have been on the hype list until last because good results didnt come for a few years into her career. It's hard to put a definate hype or real deal on some players when they are still young.

OZTENNIS
Jun 15th, 2008, 12:56 AM
I'm betting on Vika to fail, Agi, Aga and Caro to succeed, Alize and Domi to stay in Top 20, the others with drop like stones.

And honestly I'm expecting Larcher de Brito to fail, sorry. The pressure will get to her. And once others figure out her ballbashing game she will fade away like :sad: Nicole.

Tati wasn't overhyped; she just got way too many injuries. :sad:
Well for someone who made the fourth round at the Australian Open as a 16 year old, I think it's fair to say she has been overhyped...it took her another three years on tour to win her first title...
And sure she has had her injuries, but so have a lot of other players, maybe not so many, but still, look at the Williamses for instance

OZTENNIS
Jun 15th, 2008, 01:01 AM
In the last decade, I would say

HYPE:
- Anna Kournikova
- Mirjana Lucic
- Alexandra Stevenson
- Lina Krasnoroutskaya (don't know if that is the correct spelling)
- Tatiana Golovin
- Nicole Vaidisova
- Monique Viele :o

REAL DEAL
- Maria Sharapova
- Ana Ivanovic
- Martina Hingis
- Serena Williams
- Venus Williams
- Kim Clijsters
- Justine Henin

mirzalover
Jun 15th, 2008, 01:29 AM
Well for someone who made the fourth round at the Australian Open as a 16 year old, I think it's fair to say she has been overhyped...it took her another three years on tour to win her first title...
And sure she has had her injuries, but so have a lot of other players, maybe not so many, but still, look at the Williamses for instance

Did the Williams get injured as much as Tatiana when they were teens? I dont think they did but Im not sure plus she is not even in the Williams Sister range when it comes to talent.

!Gio!
Jun 15th, 2008, 05:35 AM
how the hell is Sesil at 18 after a 2 year drug ban, Nicole at 19, still ranked pretty high and quite young and Golovin who has had a series of injuries, how are they hyped. Its Idiotic, there careers are just starting, you never know when they will peak. Still see all three of them as future top 10 and they have lots of time to prove me.

Shvedbarilescu
Jun 15th, 2008, 10:32 AM
This is a ridiculous thread. The tennis world is not like the music industry or the film industry. It does not have masses of publicists paids for by giant corporations promoting talentless crap tennis players as the latest stars. Yes giant corporations are involved in tennis but in a very different way. Whereas for Universal, EMI, BMG, Warner and Sony music artists are the product which these labels promote and hype, for the sports merchandising industry, Nike, Adidas, Lacoste etc tennis players are the promotional tools used for promoting their clothes.

Success in the music industy is as much based on an act being successfully promoted as it is on talent and musical merit which are subjective things anyway. In other words selling a ton of records doesn't mean you are a great recording artist. On the other hand if you win a lot of tennis matches there is no getting around that by the standards most people judge tennis players, you are good.

Hype may give you a top 10 album but it won't give you a top 10 ranking or a Grand Slam.

All the players mentioned in this thread as either hyped or real deal have attracted attention because they have won enough matches at an early age to indicate that they could be very successful in the future. Some of them won't live up to that early promise. But it doesn't mean they were hyped. It is not like there was some giant corporation out there that was trying to convince the world that Mirjana Lucic or Anna-Lena Groenefeld would be the greatest tennis player of all time. All that happened is both achieved very good success at a young age which resulted in them gaining fans who were hopeful their success would continue. Okay for whatever reasons some players haven't fulfilled the public's expectations of them and as a result their rankings have fallen. No shit. That's what happens.

So yes, some players have falled to fulfill some fans expectations of them. That is all. But that is very different to saying, for example, Mirjana Lucic was hyped. When someone can tell me of a big media conglomerate that put millions into promoting a tennis player as a star then I will accept a player was hyped. And no, I don't accept money that athletes receive promoting products as evidence of a player being hyped. It is the product that is being sold, not the player. The player will only be chosen on the basis that they are already seen as a useful promotion tool.

You want hyped? Maria Carey, The Spice Girls, Oasis. They were hyped.

caseyl45
Jun 15th, 2008, 01:41 PM
I think you have to be careful when evaluating players. I don't know if this is an effect of age-eligibility rules or injuries or something else (probably a combination), but it seems that, more often than not, most of the great players of this generation have achieved their greatness at later ages than in the past. Venus Williams was 20 years old when she won her first Grand Slam title. Justine Henin had just turned 21. Jennifer Capriati was 24. Lindsay Davenport was 22, as was Kim Clijsters. Anastasia Myskina was just shy of her 22nd birthday when she won her first (and only) Slam. Most recently, Ana Ivanovic won Roland Garros for her first Slam at 20.
In past generations, unless you were a one-time Slam winner, if you were destined to be considered a great player, you were almost always no older than 20 when you broke through. (In recent history, look at Graf, Seles, Sanchez-Vicario and Pierce and Hingis.) Of today's generation of great players, Serena Williams and Maria Sharapova are the only players who have managed to achieve greatness before their 20th birthdays.
It also seems fairly common, when a group of young players comes along, that the first player to show signs of greatness rarely ends her career as the best of her group. For example, at the end of 1984, who would have seemed to be a better prospect, based on results, Gabriela Sabatini or Steffi Graf? How about in 1993 - would you have picked Lindsay Davenport or Mary Pierce to have a better career?
At the end of 1999, would you have picked Jelena Dokic, Kim Clijsters or Alexandra Stevenson to be the best prospect that year? Or what about someone else? These three were grouped closely together in the rankings, but a little over 20 spots behind them was another player who also started making some waves that year. Her name was Justine Henin. The first three I mentioned had all made at least a Grand Slam quarterfinal that year, but Henin would not do so until 2001. Also in that group were Nadia Petrova and Elena Dementieva - where would you have put them in this discussion?
You can categorize players right now all you want. As for the players listed in this thread, as Grand Slam threats, it seems that the window has closed/is closing quickly for Sprem and Groenefeld. As for the others, though, they still have time, and quite a bit of it at that, so let's not write any of them off yet.

Slutiana
Jun 15th, 2008, 02:04 PM
Tati is not overhyped:rolleyes: she's overinjured:sad:
And overslutty. :sad:

frenchie
Jun 15th, 2008, 02:10 PM
Hype is definitely Vaidisova

Real deal is Ivanovic