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johnoo
Jun 13th, 2008, 10:22 PM
first of all this is not a bashing thread but I am relly disappointed with the top women players and there lack of respect to the wta tour in general,they only seem to be glory hunting for grand slam wins while tier 1's etc can go to hell,while the top men are giving there all at queens and playing like they really care about winning that tournament ,even though wimbledon is just around the corner,the top women are no where to be seen,fair enough there saving thereselves for a grand slam but in the progress there pissing off the paying public and tv companies,its easy to see why the wta tour is falling way behind the atp tour with this attitude,women have now got equal money at grand slams and I think its about time they started to show a bit more respect for the public/wta tour/tv companies than just turning up four times a year for the grand slams,to some counties like italy rome is there grand slam but the players show little respect for it and IMO this attitude will really hurt womens tennis in the future as sponsors start to pull out,sorry for that rant but it's just how I feel at the minute about women's tennis.

Mileen
Jun 13th, 2008, 10:27 PM
I partly agree, but you can't blame them for not playing this week, because they are not allowed to play at a TIV and are only allowed to play 1 TIII per year. Doesn't Queens have a higher statue than Birmingham and certainly Barcelona?

Lucas_Arg
Jun 13th, 2008, 10:27 PM
They are taking care of themselves, I think it's right.

Slutiana
Jun 13th, 2008, 10:30 PM
Women are more prone to injury, they are just looking after their bodies. :shrug:

Birmingham and Barcelona are Tier III and Tier IV tournaments. Top 10 players can only play like 1 or 2 Tier IIIs and no Tier IVs.

Stella Artois is a great and historic tournament and one of the best of that prize money category. Sadly, Eastbourne isn't.. The list isn't that bad but again due to injuries, its not as exciting. Luckily, the women's game has a lot of youngsters coming up. If the top men were to pull out, it would be a disaster as there are barely any under 21s there.

spiritedenergy
Jun 13th, 2008, 10:32 PM
first of all this is not a bashing thread but I am relly disappointed with the top women players and there lack of respect to the wta tour in general,they only seem to be glory hunting for grand slam wins while tier 1's etc can go to hell,while the top men are giving there all at queens and playing like they really care about winning that tournament ,even though wimbledon is just around the corner,the top women are no where to be seen,fair enough there saving thereselves for a grand slam but in the progress there pissing off the paying public and tv companies,its easy to see why the wta tour is falling way behind the atp tour with this attitude,women have now got equal money at grand slams and I think its about time they started to show a bit more respect for the public/wta tour/tv companies than just turning up four times a year for the grand slams,to some counties like italy rome is there grand slam but the players show little respect for it and IMO this attitude will really hurt womens tennis in the future as sponsors start to pull out,sorry for that rant but it's just how I feel at the minute about women's tennis.

I agree. This pullout at the last moment bullshit needs to stop.

Destiny
Jun 13th, 2008, 10:36 PM
Respect

The attitude has changed dramatically from what tennis use to stand for and use to mean to players. Now players don't really feel gratefully and happy with what Wta tour has to offer to them and take it for grated.They forget that many women had to fight really hard and struggle for them to be in that position. And it's sad to see such lack off commitment really is . from every player no matter how high they are :o

spiritedenergy
Jun 13th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Respect

The attitude has changed dramatically from what tennis use to stand for and use to mean to players. Now players don't really feel gratefully and happy with what Wta tour has to offer to them and take it for grated.They forget that many women had to fight really hard and struggle for them to be in that position. And it's sad to see such lack off commitment really is . from every player no matter how high they are :o

I agree. It's probably due to power tennis that takes a lot from the body, but this isn't a nice outcome. Women are not wonderwomen yet.

terjw
Jun 13th, 2008, 10:40 PM
I understand what you are saying - but I do think the game is far more punishing on womens' bodies than men - and they do have injuries that need taking care of. And it's a bit unfair to compare them with the men.

I'm sure my favourite Jelena was disappointed at pulling out of the DFS and it wasn't a lack of respect for the tournament. But she did pick up that arm injury at RG and it's important to give it a chance to recover and not flare up again before Wimbledon.

But I take your point. One thing I wish is that there weren't any of these rules about where and how many tournaments players had to play - and with that freedom to set their schedule how they liked - they took on more responsibility not to withdraw except in the most serious circumstances - at any rate far less than they do now.

Cp6uja
Jun 13th, 2008, 11:00 PM
Birmingham is 200K tournament and on other hand Queen's and Halle is both over 1 Million. Eastbourne is OK with 600K - but that its just week before Wimbledon so real contenders dont want to play (or mostly dont play seriously when commit).

So no reason to compare ATP and WYA stars in this case. Birmingham is Mickey Mouse tournament in comparation with Queen's and Halle, and Eastbourne is in wrong time and 's-Hertogenbosch is worse option for biggest WTA stars - Mickey Mouse tournament just week before slam.

jochem
Jun 13th, 2008, 11:15 PM
I'm bored with women's tennis...

alwayshingis
Jun 13th, 2008, 11:27 PM
How are they disrespecting the WTA? By making sure that they are healthy and playing their best at a Grand Slam? Please remember, they all JUST played the French Open, and this week is composed of Tier III and Tier IV events.

How are they saying go to hell to Tier I events? Let's look back at some recent Tier I's:

ROME: 7 of the top 10 played (and one of the top 10 at that point retired)
BERLIN: 7 of the top 10 played again
CHARLESTON: was a bit weak this year as far as rankings of players, but there were some very exciting matches (please see: Serena vs. Maria; Zvonareva vs. Dementieva; Serena vs. Zvonareva, etc.)
MIAMI: 9 of top 10
INDIAN WELLS: weaker, but what did you expect? Will be mandatory next year.


I see no reason for complaint. Many tournaments have been much deeper than they were last year. The top players all play quite a few events. No disrespect here.

Kipling
Jun 13th, 2008, 11:28 PM
first of all this is not a bashing thread but I am relly disappointed with the top women players and there lack of respect to the wta tour in general,they only seem to be glory hunting for grand slam wins while tier 1's etc can go to hell,while the top men are giving there all at queens and playing like they really care about winning that tournament ,even though wimbledon is just around the corner,the top women are no where to be seen,fair enough there saving thereselves for a grand slam but in the progress there pissing off the paying public and tv companies,its easy to see why the wta tour is falling way behind the atp tour with this attitude,women have now got equal money at grand slams and I think its about time they started to show a bit more respect for the public/wta tour/tv companies than just turning up four times a year for the grand slams,to some counties like italy rome is there grand slam but the players show little respect for it and IMO this attitude will really hurt womens tennis in the future as sponsors start to pull out,sorry for that rant but it's just how I feel at the minute about women's tennis.

Ever stop to consider that this isn't necessarily about the players but rather the consequence of 1) "advanced technology" in tennis and 2) overinflation of purses and events?

If you want to go back to the days of rivalries like Evert and Navratilova, players actually playing each other more than once or twice a year, then two things need to happen--first, there needs to be a de-evolution of racket/string technology. Standard size or wooden racquets would be a start. Of course, then you all will start bitching about the game being boring again.

Second, a worldwide tour with one event a week, not two or three, and smaller purses. Having to earn a living is always a better motivator than fining a player who makes millions a year a measly few thousand bucks.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jun 13th, 2008, 11:31 PM
Also, the top women don't nearly have to adapt as much to the surface as the men do. Most of the top players' games translate well on all surfaces. Look at how different Nadal plays on clay to grass. He has to move inside the court, instead of staying way behind the baseline. Also he has to be more aggressive with his groundstrokes.

Most of the women rarely change their styles depending on the surface and on the WTA you really don't have any grass court specialists that will be a big danger to the top players like you do in the men's game.

goldenlox
Jun 13th, 2008, 11:35 PM
It's just a fact of life that Zvonareva and Petrova are not going to draw the crowds and media attention that Sharapova will.
That doesn't mean Sharapova has to screw up her schedule to help the WTA.
The WTA makes a lot of money on Sharapova, no matter what her schedule is.

hankqq
Jun 13th, 2008, 11:43 PM
Ever stop to consider that this isn't necessarily about the players but rather the consequence of 1) "advanced technology" in tennis and 2) overinflation of purses and events?

If you want to go back to the days of rivalries like Evert and Navratilova, players actually playing each other more than once or twice a year, then two things need to happen--first, there needs to be a de-evolution of racket/string technology. Standard size or wooden racquets would be a start. Of course, then you all will start bitching about the game being boring again.

Second, a worldwide tour with one event a week, not two or three, and smaller purses. Having to earn a living is always a better motivator than fining a player who makes millions a year a measly few thousand bucks.


True but then there's sponsors (both tennis-related and non tennis-related). For the top women of the game, they all have multiple endorsements that pay more than what they make playing on tour. To my knowledge there's no limit to how many endorsements a player can have, nor how much she can earn from that sponsor. The WTA wouldn't want to limit its top players getting endorsements anyway, as commercials promote the product, the player and therefore the WTA at the same time. The more endorsements players get, the more the WTA can build business relationships.

Unfortunately, if you're a top player with multiple endorsements, you are mainly going to care about slams, tier 1's and maybe an event or 2 near your home. Why play a million tournaments a year if endorsements have you set for life?

Basically, the only semi-solution (I don't think this problem can ever be totally fixed) I see is what will happen next year, when there will be more mandatory events.

terjw
Jun 13th, 2008, 11:50 PM
Birmingham is 200K tournament and on other hand Queen's and Halle is both over 1 Million. Eastbourne is OK with 600K - but that its just week before Wimbledon so real contenders dont want to play (or mostly dont play seriously when commit).

So no reason to compare ATP and WYA stars in this case. Birmingham is Mickey Mouse tournament in comparation with Queen's and Halle, and Eastbourne is in wrong time and 's-Hertogenbosch is worse option for biggest WTA stars - Mickey Mouse tournament just week before slam.

What on earth are you on about? Did you think before you wrote that top players won't play at Eastbourne:

2006 semi-finalists were:

Kim
Justine
Myskina
SvetaAll had won a slam and there was also Amelie there who didn't make the semis.

2007 Quarter Finalists were the top 8 seeds so what's this don't play seriously rubbish? In no particular order:

Justine
Nicole
Marion
Amelie
Petrova
Peer
Bammer
DementievaThat's a pretty good line-up and turnout for a tier 2. While Maria and Jelena were at Edgbaston.

It's only really this year that's been a bit disappointing - but it will still be a great tournament.

416_Man
Jun 13th, 2008, 11:52 PM
1. The money and points. Contrast Tier III/IV with IS/ISG.
2. Look at the draws for ATP Rosmalen and Nottingham and compare those with Eastbourne and WTA Rosmalen. It's on a week-by-week basis that there will be depth on one side and not the other.
3. The rules. High ranked players are limited to the number of Tier III/IV they are allowed to play. Men have no such limit on IS/ISG.

dav abu
Jun 14th, 2008, 12:09 AM
first of all this is not a bashing thread but I am relly disappointed with the top women players and there lack of respect to the wta tour in general,they only seem to be glory hunting for grand slam wins while tier 1's etc can go to hell,while the top men are giving there all at queens and playing like they really care about winning that tournament ,even though wimbledon is just around the corner,the top women are no where to be seen,fair enough there saving thereselves for a grand slam but in the progress there pissing off the paying public and tv companies,its easy to see why the wta tour is falling way behind the atp tour with this attitude,women have now got equal money at grand slams and I think its about time they started to show a bit more respect for the public/wta tour/tv companies than just turning up four times a year for the grand slams,to some counties like italy rome is there grand slam but the players show little respect for it and IMO this attitude will really hurt womens tennis in the future as sponsors start to pull out,sorry for that rant but it's just how I feel at the minute about women's tennis.

Excellent points very well made. Im very fed up with the way things are going. Virginia Wade made some excellent similar points to you one day when reviewing the French Open asking the same questions about what appears to be a bad atmosphere around the tour and the girls appearing not to care. I think womens tennis is headed for big touble :sad: