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robbie12
Jun 6th, 2008, 08:56 PM
The women's final got me thinking about how many times we have had a GS final between two players, neither of whom had won a GS title and it's quite rare! In the open era (which is 42 years) this will be the 169th women's GS final and of those only 14 featured two players with no GS title:

2010 RG - Stosur/Schiavone*
2008 RG - Ivanovic/Safina
2004 USO - Kuznetsova/Dementieva*
2004 RG - Myskina/Dementieva
2003 RG - Henin/Clijsters
1998 WIM - Novotna/Tauziat
1980 AO - Mandlikova/Turnbull
1979 AO - B Jordan/Walsh*
1978 AO - O'Neill/Nagelsen*
1977 RG - Jausovec/Mihai*
1977 AO (Jan) - Melville Reid/Balestrat
1976 RG - Barker/Tomanova*
1974 RG - Evert/Morozova
1971 RG - Goolagong/Gourlay

Of those just 6 *(2010/2004 RG, 1979/78 AO, 1977/76 RG) featured two players who had never made a GS final before. The interesting thing is the 18 year gap between 1980 AUS and 1998 WIM and that the 98 WIM and 04 USO finals are the only ones in 40 years at that slam between two players who'd never won before. Also some of the AO's and RG's of the late 1970's didn't feature many top players as few travelled to Melbourne and the World Team Tennis was on at the same time as the French.

hankqq
Jun 6th, 2008, 09:04 PM
Thanks for the stats! This really shows how dominant most of the slam champs are. It's so hard for new players to break through the other champions.

goldenlox
Jun 6th, 2008, 09:09 PM
That is interesting. Only the 5th time since 1980

LudwigDvorak
Jun 6th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Only once at Wimbledon and USO period. Very very interesting.

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 6th, 2008, 09:14 PM
The women's final got me thinking about how many times we have had a GS final between two players, neither of whom had won a GS title and it's quite rare! In the open era (which is exactly 40 years) this will be the 161st women's GS final and of those only 13 featured two players with no GS title:

2008 RG - Ivanovic/Safina
2004 USO - Kuznetsova/Dementieva
2004 RG - Myskina/Dementieva
2003 RG - Henin/Clijsters
1998 WIM - Novotna/Tauziat
1980 AO - Mandlikova/Turnbull
1979 AO - B Jordan/Walsh
1978 AO - O'Neill/Nagelsen
1977 RG - Jausovec/Mihai
1977 AO (Jan) - Melville Reid/Balestrat
1976 RG - Barker/Tomanova
1974 RG - Evert/Morozova
1971 RG - Goolagong/Gourlay

Grand Slams only on paper (modern day Tier III-IV)
Not-so-Grand Slam (more like Tier II)

sammy01
Jun 6th, 2008, 09:18 PM
2004 was a bad year, not for the players that benefitted but neither sveta or msykina has won a slam since and lena d hasn't reached a slam final since, i think that says alot.

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 6th, 2008, 09:23 PM
2004 was a bad year, not for the players that benefitted but neither sveta or msykina has won a slam since and lena d hasn't reached a slam final since, i think that says alot.

2007 was worse.
Chakvetadze got to #5 by playing like 38 mickey mouse tournaments :o

2004 year-end Top-10 included:
Davenport, Mauresmo, Myskina, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Serena, Henin, Capriati, Venus. 8 Slam champions + 2 Slam finalists. 6 former #1 + 1 former #2 + 1 eventual #1 + 1 eventual #2 :worship:

sammy01
Jun 6th, 2008, 09:39 PM
2007 was worse.
Chakvetadze got to #5 by playing like 38 mickey mouse tournaments :o

2004 year-end Top-10 included:
Davenport, Mauresmo, Myskina, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Serena, Henin, Capriati, Venus. 8 Slam champions + 2 Slam finalists. 6 former #1 + 1 former #2 + 1 eventual #1 + 1 eventual #2 :worship:

can anyone ever respond to me without bashing chavetadze, i expected more from you annak 4ever. its so sad people cant except opinions so bring chakvetadze into things to try and bring me down. i said it was a good year for the people that prospered just not the big names that have been dominant before and after '04, it was a bad year for the slam champions!

Mynarco
Jun 6th, 2008, 09:42 PM
I expect more to come in Wimby and US Open:)

Expat
Jun 6th, 2008, 10:14 PM
2007 was worse.
Chakvetadze got to #5 by playing like 38 mickey mouse tournaments :o

2004 year-end Top-10 included:
Davenport, Mauresmo, Myskina, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Serena, Henin, Capriati, Venus. 8 Slam champions + 2 Slam finalists. 6 former #1 + 1 former #2 + 1 eventual #1 + 1 eventual #2 :worship:
nope 2004 was the worst year ever
all major players were injured or off form most of the time
just because they ended in top 10 doesnt mean that they were necessarily anywhere near their peaks that time
if i am not mistaken davenport was no 1 even without a slam final
goes to show how fit all the major contenders were that year

twight6
Jun 6th, 2008, 10:19 PM
2007 was worse.
Chakvetadze got to #5 by playing like 38 mickey mouse tournaments :o

2004 year-end Top-10 included:
Davenport, Mauresmo, Myskina, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Serena, Henin, Capriati, Venus. 8 Slam champions + 2 Slam finalists. 6 former #1 + 1 former #2 + 1 eventual #1 + 1 eventual #2 :worship:

2007 slam winners: Serena, Justine, Venus, Justine
2004 slam winners: Justine, Myskina, Sharapova, Kuznetsova

Speaking from a strictly slam sense, which cleary he was, 2004 was worse.

vadin124
Jun 6th, 2008, 10:29 PM
when did Sharapova win a slam in 07?? ;)

twight6
Jun 6th, 2008, 10:35 PM
when did Sharapova win a slam in 07?? ;)

woops :lol: I guess if I'm going to be mean I should get my facts straight :tape:

twight6
Jun 6th, 2008, 10:52 PM
2007 was worse.
Chakvetadze got to #5 by playing like 38 mickey mouse tournaments :o

2004 year-end Top-10 included:
Davenport, Mauresmo, Myskina, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Serena, Henin, Capriati, Venus. 8 Slam champions + 2 Slam finalists. 6 former #1 + 1 former #2 + 1 eventual #1 + 1 eventual #2 :worship:

Also, Chakvetadze's slam results in '07:
QF, QF, 3R, SF

Top 10:
1) Henin: N/A, Win, SF, Win
2) Kuznetsova: 4R, QF, QF, F
3) Jankovic: 4R, SF, 4R, QF
4) Ivanovic: 3R, F, SF, 4R
5) Sharapova: F, SF, 4R, 3R

Hmm.. To me she has results as good as Jankovic and more consistent than Ivanovic and Sharapova.

The rest of the top 10:

7) Serena: Win, QF, QF, QF
8) Venus: N/A, 3R, Win, SF
9) Daniela: 4R, 3R, 4R, 1R
10) Marion: 2R, 4R, F, 4R

Anna's results are better than Daniela's and Marion's, and even with Venus's win Anna was overall better than her.

So, that means that Anna's grand slam results are as good as or better than 6 of the other top 9. So, by that logic she should've been 4th in the world!

So, yeah, I'd say Anna did a little more than "win mickey mouse tournaments." Plus she had wins over Jankovic and Daniela twice and one over Venus........

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 6th, 2008, 11:02 PM
Also, Chakvetadze's slam results in '07:
QF, QF, 3R, SF

4 mickey mouse titles + 4 mickey mouse draws at Slams = year-end #6
:worship:

sammy01
Jun 6th, 2008, 11:09 PM
4 mickey mouse titles + 4 mickey mouse draws at Slams = year-end #6
:worship:

why the hate wheres the need? she had a great year beat several top 10 players multiple times.

MakarovaFan
Jun 6th, 2008, 11:13 PM
2007 was worse.
Chakvetadze got to #5 by playing like 38 mickey mouse tournaments :o

2004 year-end Top-10 included:
Davenport, Mauresmo, Myskina, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Dementieva, Serena, Henin, Capriati, Venus. 8 Slam champions + 2 Slam finalists. 6 former #1 + 1 former #2 + 1 eventual #1 + 1 eventual #2 :worship:
Well Chakvetadze did reach the QF or better at 3 of the 4 slams,reach the SF at the YEC,beat a certain Wimbledon Champion,end the season with a high number of wins,and capture a few titles.........

AnnaK_4ever
Jun 6th, 2008, 11:14 PM
why the hate wheres the need? she had a great year beat several top 10 players multiple times.

What hate?
Chaky made the most out of her limited game and physical abilities. Kudos to her.

tequila
Jun 6th, 2008, 11:16 PM
why the hate wheres the need? she had a great year beat several top 10 players multiple times.

Because you criticised 2004 ;)

MakarovaFan
Jun 6th, 2008, 11:19 PM
nope 2004 was the worst year ever
all major players were injured or off form most of the time
just because they ended in top 10 doesnt mean that they were necessarily anywhere near their peaks that time
if i am not mistaken davenport was no 1 even without a slam final
goes to show how fit all the major contenders were that year
Not really,as the same arguement could be made another way..........just because a player is off doesnt mean its an excuse,if they played then THEY PLAYED.And Linds was only no.1 toward end of 04 due to a great second half of the year...and in 05 she reached 2 of the 4 Slam finals!

sammy01
Jun 6th, 2008, 11:24 PM
What hate?
Chaky made the most out of her limited game and physical abilities. Kudos to her.

thats not what you said in your other post and you used :o at her winning 4 titles last year and diminished her achievements.


i dont get that people dislike her and her achievements because she seemingly less powerful or dosen't have 'game', isn't it a great achievement that shes done this well?

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Jun 6th, 2008, 11:26 PM
I'm not surprised at the FO between 1976 and 1978, as most of the top players were in World Team Tennis, and banned from playing the French for those three years (actually players were banned from the first year of WTT -- Jimmy Connors blamed that partially on why he had no chance for the single year Grand Slam in 1974). The only reason the 1978 FO tournament had a "former GS winner" was because Mima had won the FO in 1977. Most notably, Chris Evert and Martina Navratilova were absent from the FO 76-78.

Also, I remember few players playing the AO on a regular basis before the 1980's. No surprises there would be more opportunities there...