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Volcana
May 9th, 2008, 03:28 AM
Basically starting from even

http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Pres-GE-MvO.php

http://www.pollster.com/08USPresGEMvO600.png


The Occupation of Iraq: Advantage Obama
The Economy: Advantage Obama
Age of the two candidates: Advantage Obama
Money: Advantage Obama
Policy Issues: Advantage Obama

Race of the two candidates Advantage McCain
Hillary Clinton: Advantage McCain


For all that Obam makes some states competitive, he also makes some states sure losers. Of course those states the Democratic Party was losing anyway.

abercrombieguy23
May 9th, 2008, 03:32 AM
Basically starting from even

http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Pres-GE-MvO.php

http://www.pollster.com/08USPresGEMvO600.png


The Occupation of Iraq: Advantage Obama
The Economy: Advantage Obama
Age of the two candidates: Advantage Obama
Money: Advantage Obama
Policy Issues: Advantage Obama

Race of the two candidates Advantage McCain
Hillary Clinton: Advantage McCain


For all that Obam makes some states competitive, he also makes some states sure losers. Of course those states the Democratic Party was losing anyway.


now lets add some weightings.....say 35% for this one....

the near 50% of Hilary Clinton supporters defecting to McCain come General election according to the North Carolina/Indiana Exit polls

combine that with a lack of big democratic states on Obamas part

and McCain is ahead right now

hulky9999
May 9th, 2008, 03:36 AM
Height: Barack 6'2" vs John 5'7". Advantage Barack! :)

abercrombieguy23
May 9th, 2008, 03:38 AM
hotter wife: Barack

In The Zone
May 9th, 2008, 03:40 AM
One of the difficult things is that people assume because McCain is Republican he is destined to lose -- not true.

People associate the war, the economy with Bush -- not McCain. McCain can do his own Obama wonders for the Republican party and appeal to Independents. Should be interesting.

ptkten
May 9th, 2008, 04:16 AM
now lets add some weightings.....say 35% for this one....

the near 50% of Hilary Clinton supporters defecting to McCain come General election according to the North Carolina/Indiana Exit polls

combine that with a lack of big democratic states on Obamas part

and McCain is ahead right now

Why would you need to weigh the effects of Hillary supporters defecting :confused:

That would be factored into the polls already, he just makes up losing Hillary supporters by winning some wealthy independents and moderate reps. so that's why he's even with McCain even though he doesn't get that high of a percentage of democratic support yet.

And the lack of big states is wrong too, if you look at polling state by state he is even with McCain in the electoral college as well.

But regardless, it's early and he'll only go up after some Hillary supporters get over the disappointment of the primary so it doesn't even matter what the numbers are right now, all that matters is November.

BigB08822
May 9th, 2008, 02:16 PM
Popular vote means SHIT in the general election. It doesn't matter if it is 50/50. All that matters is who wins what states. In this regard, Obama is in trouble as of now. There is tons of time to change that and to see if Hillary's supporters will still vote for him in those swing states. If he loses her voting base in Florida, PA, Ohio then he can kiss his chances goodbye.

Wannabeknowitall
May 9th, 2008, 03:21 PM
Popular vote means SHIT in the general election. It doesn't matter if it is 50/50. All that matters is who wins what states. In this regard, Obama is in trouble as of now. There is tons of time to change that and to see if Hillary's supporters will still vote for him in those swing states. If he loses her voting base in Florida, PA, Ohio then he can kiss his chances goodbye.

I don't think there is.
He's too fucking stubborn and even CNN commented on it on Tuesday.
Pandering is above him. The problem is that's an elitist attitude.
The second problem is that a lot of his policies will never go thru.
So technically he's pandering right now.
You want to win rural voters in PA and Ohio, give them something they can have to hope with, even if it's a slim chance that it will go thru.
That's how these states work. You can't just think you're superhuman and change that kind of politics with an inspirational speech.

If you don't, you give McCain the opportunity to come in and say, you know I'm consistent.
I want to stick with NAFTA. Obama is one minute against it and one minute for it.
I want to stick with Iraq. Obama wants to pull out in 6 months which btw it took 2 years for us to pull out of Iraq the first time.
Ignoring a fact that we stayed in areas of Japan for 15 years and Germany for 50.
One minute you're backing Rev. Wright, the next you're not.

And whether some of you like to believe it or not, the last two elections had to do with "flip-floppers" and the democratic candidate not backing up what he had claimed.

It's just :bs:.
Obama has mutual respect for McCain, the biggest load of bull I have ever heard in my fucking life.
And McCain is going to use that comment as well:
"Why all of a sudden a man that had mutual respect for me is now making me out to be the enemy when at every turn of the some in the Republican party to get nasty, I've stomped it in the bud."
It would have been easier to have gone with the idea of I don't respect anything that this man says or does.
Now Obama is going to have to waste time backtracking and making people believe the reason for believing his backtracking.

There are alreasy negative ads out for McCain and people see that and they're associate with with Obama, so even if McCain does go nasty, he can claim he didn't start it.

The democrats are giving the Republicans what they want.
Don't blame these things on Hillary either.
All the comments I've made have nothing to do with Hillary.