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samsung101
May 6th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Sadly, even if Obama wins both, or Hillary wins one, this thing will go on and on.

Hillary Clinton has no legitimate reason to drop out.


I think Obama will win both states today, comfortably.


She'll still be fairly close, within 150 or so delegates.

In a process where not one single delegate - regular or super - is
officially obligated by any rule or law to vote one way or the other.
They should vote for Obama or Hillary based on a state result or proportion
result...but, they really do not have to.

She's counting on that.
That and more Wright, Rezko, Ayers sort of news to keep coming up until August.

August, can you believe it....


Going out on a limb....John McCain, the forgotten guy, will win too.



He's just holding fundraisers.

Strangely, the RNC is raising money better than he is.
That's not good. He should be raising lots more than he is.

Hint - John, criticize Democrats as much as you do Republicans.
That Huffington 'leak' that you said you didn't vote for Bush in 2000
(after that nasty battle between you two) - probably could help you
with the Bush haters. It's so typical McCain.

mirzalover
May 6th, 2008, 08:17 PM
I'm voting today for the first time and I'm voting Hillary!

BigB08822
May 6th, 2008, 08:20 PM
I don't think Obama will take Indiana even though it is certainly possible. I think it will go as expected, she wins Indiana and he wins N.C. I think she will win by 5-6 and he will win by 7-10

In The Zone
May 6th, 2008, 08:42 PM
Indiana is do or die.

If Hillary loses it, no reason to continue.
But.
She's going to win it.

Obama will win North Carolina.

On to West Virginia and Kentucky!

In The Zone
May 6th, 2008, 08:43 PM
I think we can make this the "livescoring"-esque thread for tonight, too.

Polls close at 7pm and 730pm EST. Love that it's so early! :drool:

Pureracket
May 6th, 2008, 08:45 PM
I don't see why Indiana is "do or die." NC has more delegates.:rolleyes:

In The Zone
May 6th, 2008, 08:50 PM
I don't see why Indiana is "do or die." NC has more delegates.:rolleyes:

When 40% of the voters are a certain favorable kind, that's why. It's England vs. the American Colonies ... Oh wait, hmmmmmm, I think the underdog won that one. :devil:

Pureracket
May 6th, 2008, 09:07 PM
When 40% of the voters are a certain favorable kind, that's why. It's England vs. the American Colonies ... Oh wait, hmmmmmm, I think the underdog won that one. :devil:
What are you talking about? Speak plainly. Are you talking about Black voters? Are you talking about women? Christians?

In The Zone
May 6th, 2008, 09:20 PM
What are you talking about? Speak plainly. Are you talking about Black voters? Are you talking about women? Christians?

Yes, blacks. But I don't want to seem racist!!!!

ptkten
May 6th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Yes, blacks. But I don't want to seem racist!!!!

It wouldn't be racist if you would apply this idea to Clinton equally. She's going to win Indiana because 90% of the voters are of a favorable kind, you know, those people.

Pureracket
May 6th, 2008, 09:27 PM
Yes, blacks. But I don't want to seem racist!!!!It's far too late for that, ITZ....it's far too late for that.

There's not a real need to explain to you that Blacks have always gone with the frontrunner and the best candidate in the Democratic race....even when Blacks were candidates. Jesse Jackson, Douglas Wilder, and Al Sharpton all ran for president but none of them got the majority of the Black vote. Conversely, Blacks also voted for Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and John Kerry overwhelmingly. If you want the best Democratic candidate, follow the trend of the Black voter, regardless of race.

Thus, your focus on the "Black vote" in NC is simply an excuse for you to rationalize the support for a candidate who's campaign is going to be far less relevant in the morning than it is today.

In The Zone
May 6th, 2008, 09:28 PM
It wouldn't be racist if you would apply this idea to Clinton equally. She's going to win Indiana because 90% of the votes are of a favorable kind, you know, those people.

Huh? :confused: 90% of Indiana is old and latino and women? Whites aren't allowed to vote for white candidates without being called racists.

Expat
May 6th, 2008, 09:29 PM
exit polls are projecting 55-45 for obama in NC
how can they project so early when the voting is not even over

In The Zone
May 6th, 2008, 09:29 PM
Thus, your focus on the "Black vote" in NC is simply an excuse for you to rationalize the support for a candidate who's campaign is going to be far less relevant in the morning than it is today.

Probably. You guys did the same in Pennsylvania. It works both ways, you know.

Pureracket
May 6th, 2008, 09:31 PM
Probably. You guys did the same in Pennsylvania. It works both ways, you know.Ok....now the real ITZ emerges. Tell us, ITZ, how did we do it in PA?

ptkten
May 6th, 2008, 09:32 PM
It's far too late for that, ITZ....it's far too late for that.

There's not a real need to explain to you that Blacks have always gone with the frontrunner and the best candidate in the Democratic race....even when Blacks were candidates. Jesse Jackson, Douglas Wilder, and Al Sharpton all ran for president but none of them got the majority of the Black vote. Conversely, Blacks also voted for Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and John Kerry overwhelmingly. If you want the best Democratic candidate, follow the trend of the Black voter, regardless of race.

Thus, your focus on the "Black vote" in NC is simply an excuse for you to rationalize the support for a candidate who's campaign is going to be far less relevant in the morning than it is today.

:worship: Blacks have consistently shown they vote for the candidate they feel is best on the issue, how else to explain their support for white candidates in EVERY other presidential election even when there were black candidates running.

Keith Olbermann summed up the Clinton's feelings best on which voters and states matter:

Only one vote really matters: The fifty something conservative, registered, Democrat whose not Independent, but not a part of the base, and skipped college so that they could go straight into teaching, rather than become a casino worker, who votes on domestic issues, but not in a primary or caucus in a big state that doesn't border Illinois, that has elected female governors or members of Congress but didn't vote Republican in 2004, who won't vote Republican in 2008, and didn't vote for Jesse Jackson in 1984 or 1988 during all day voting except between the hours of 7:00 and 7:15pm. Only to object to their vote being overruled by Super Delegates.

Pureracket
May 6th, 2008, 09:33 PM
exit polls are projecting 55-45 for obama in NC
how can they project so early when the voting is not even overExit polls are simply a survey of what people have been saying. Actually, the exit polls could be done much earlier.

"Exit" is after the people have voted.

In The Zone
May 6th, 2008, 09:34 PM
Ok....now the real ITZ emerges. Tell us, ITZ, how did we do it in PA?

There was no spin in Pennsylvania? REALLY?

REALLY?
"33 pts to 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMAZINGGGGGGGG. HE WASNT GONNA WIN ANYWAY!!!!"

Demographics are demographics. And the futile attempts to assail every post I make is really getting out of hand. I support Hillary Clinton because she is the type of politician I trust and will bring me results. I am not Hillary Clinton's son or husband or uncle. Diss Hillary all you want, you're not dissing me.

I want her to do well. Just like you want Barack to do well. Now shut up and back off. I think it's time for the IGNORE option.

:wavey::hearts::fiery::lol::tape::lick::drool:;) :cool: :eek:

ptkten
May 6th, 2008, 09:37 PM
Probably. You guys did the same in Pennsylvania. It works both ways, you know.

See that's the thing, nobody was rationalizing a loss there at all. A loss is a loss. Sure, there were unfavorable demographcis there but Obama was in it to win there and didn't make any excuses or say that Pennsylvania doesn't matter. The problem with Hillary is that she disparages states that don't have favorable demographics for her and says they don't count or matter. In addition, she just assumes that people (especially blacks) aren't supporting her because Obama's black which is completely unfounded and ridiculous. SUre many are excited about a black candidate but that's not the major reason most people, including blacks, are supporting Obama.

Pureracket
May 6th, 2008, 09:38 PM
There was no spin in Pennsylvania? REALLY?

REALLY?
"33 pts to 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMAZINGGGGGGGG. HE WASNT GONNA WIN ANYWAY!!!!"

Demographics are demographics. And the futile attempts to assail every post I make is really getting out of hand. I support Hillary Clinton because she is the type of politician I trust and will bring me results. I am not Hillary Clinton's son or husband or uncle. Diss Hillary all you want, you're not dissing me.

I want her to do well. Just like you want Barack to do well. Now shut up and back off. I think it's time for the IGNORE option.

:wavey::hearts::fiery::lol::tape::lick::drool:;) :cool: :eek::haha: That's fine. Ignore all you want. What are you talking about 33 to 10 points? You mean the "10" points Hillary won by?

The thing that makes me sad is the fact that all the media and superdelegates already know how this thing is going to turn out. Hillary won by 8.6%, babe. That's not "10." Look @ the official tally.

In The Zone
May 6th, 2008, 09:40 PM
See that's the thing, nobody was rationalizing a loss there at all. A loss is a loss. Sure, there were unfavorable demographcis there but Obama was in it to win there and didn't make any excuses or say that Pennsylvania doesn't matter. The problem with Hillary is that she disparages states that don't have favorable demographics for her and says they don't count or matter. In addition, she just assumes that people (especially blacks) aren't supporting her because Obama's black which is completely unfounded and ridiculous. SUre many are excited about a black candidate but that's not the major reason most people, including blacks, are supporting Obama.

Wrong. No one BOUGHT the rationalization that the Obama camp tried to use. Difference. :haha:

LeonHart
May 6th, 2008, 11:31 PM
People didn't vote for Al Sharpton because he's a radical liberal that is a well known racist so yeah. Barack is better but he needs to cut off his ties with the radical left asap if he wants to win the general election :unsure:

Expat
May 7th, 2008, 12:14 AM
not looking good for hillary in indiana
she is winning by just a small margin
obama is poised to take a double digit lead in NC

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 12:24 AM
Come on Barack! Take Indiana!!!

abercrombieguy23
May 7th, 2008, 12:32 AM
92% of Black Vote?? ....

Surely all 92% are not voting on the issues....

Donny
May 7th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Wrong. No one BOUGHT the rationalization that the Obama camp tried to use. Difference. :haha:

Except super delegates. Speaking of which, Obama just picked up one.

Jeanette Council has endorsed Barack Obama.

The Cumberland County commissioner, who is a Democratic Party superdelegate, told the Fayetteville Observer that she was backing Obama.
http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/council_backs_obama

Donny
May 7th, 2008, 12:33 AM
92% of Black Vote?? ....

Surely all 92% are not voting on the issues....

I'm assuming the same percentage are voting on the issues as white voters.

abercrombieguy23
May 7th, 2008, 12:33 AM
Can you say John McCain 08? :sad:


According to the exit polls, half of Clinton's supporters in Indiana would not vote for Obama in a general election match up with John McCain. A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while 17 percent said they would not vote at all. Just 48 percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November.

Obama gets even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina. There, only 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama over McCain. Thirty-eight percent said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote.

Expat
May 7th, 2008, 12:35 AM
92% of Black Vote?? ....

Surely all 92% are not voting on the issues....
they arent but its democracy
they can choose to do whatever they want to do
hell this is a country where people consider creationism to be valid science
if they feel obama represents them good for them

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 12:35 AM
Can you say John McCain 08? :sad:



Sure, if Hillary steals the election, :devil:
Doesn't look like that will happen though, :p

abercrombieguy23
May 7th, 2008, 12:36 AM
Sure, if Hillary steals the election, :devil:
Doesn't look like that will happen though, :p

You obviously didn't read the accompanying article...

I know when you see the words Obama you cream yourself...but at least read what I posted before being your annoying self

Wannabeknowitall
May 7th, 2008, 12:38 AM
Sure, if Hillary steals the election, :devil:
Doesn't look like that will happen though, :p

Again stealing implies the action of ownership and ENTITLEMENT from the person something is "stolen" from, something that people claim Hillary has but she continues to fight regardless of this stigma.
Barack Obama doesn't own the democratic nomination.
That's why we're still running.

Expat
May 7th, 2008, 12:40 AM
Obama gets even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina. There, only 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama over McCain. Thirty-eight percent said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote.
this is expected
in states where there are blacks in significant numbers
its called the solid south for a reason
if obama is the presidential candidate one or two red states may turn blue
but a lot of the purple swing states with a substantial black minority will turn red if obama is the candidate

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 12:40 AM
You obviously didn't read the accompanying article...

I know when you see the words Obama you cream yourself...but at least read what I posted before being your annoying self

Way to be rude, :rolleyes:
Grow up a bit, won't you? I read what you wrote underneath, but I just decided to comment on the first part. Is that ok with you God? My maker and savior? Bow down to abercrombie, :worship:

:rolleyes:

Wannabeknowitall
May 7th, 2008, 12:41 AM
Way to be rude, :rolleyes:
Grow up a bit, won't you? I read what you wrote underneath, but I just decided to comment on the first part. Is that ok with you Oprah? Obama's maker and savior? Bow down to HER :worship:

:rolleyes:

:wavey:

Expat
May 7th, 2008, 12:41 AM
cnn projects nc as obama win

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 12:43 AM
Again stealing implies the action of ownership and ENTITLEMENT from the person something is "stolen" from, something that people claim Hillary has but she continues to fight regardless of this stigma.
Barack Obama doesn't own the democratic nomination.
That's why we're still running.

You're right, because she definitely feels she's entitled to the presidency. Ask Richardson.
So, the person who has the most pledged delegates, wins the popular vote and more states, should not win the nomination? A person who is behind on every aspect should win the nomination? She should've had this wrapped up by now as a CLINTON, :rolleyes:

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 12:44 AM
:wavey:

Did you have fun changing my words? :lol:

Wiggly
May 7th, 2008, 12:44 AM
Why is CNN projecting Obama wins NC if they show HRc has 58% and Obama 38%? :confused:

Expat
May 7th, 2008, 12:45 AM
Why is CNN projecting Obama wins NC if they show HRc has 58% and Obama 38%? :confused:
based on exit polls plus the precincts that are reporting

abercrombieguy23
May 7th, 2008, 12:46 AM
Why is CNN projecting Obama wins NC if they show HRc has 58% and Obama 38%? :confused:

cause there is almost no precincts reporting

abercrombieguy23
May 7th, 2008, 12:47 AM
Way to be rude, :rolleyes:
Grow up a bit, won't you? I read what you wrote underneath, but I just decided to comment on the first part. Is that ok with you God? My maker and savior? Bow down to abercrombie, :worship:

:rolleyes:

You know why I love you...because you are such a contradiction

You tell me to grow up and then literally in the next sentence you write some infantile remark....

dementieva's fan
May 7th, 2008, 12:49 AM
MSNBC said that Obama's North Carolina win looks "decisive". Thank you North Carolina:worship:

Expat
May 7th, 2008, 12:50 AM
its a 2/3 rds victory in NC

Wannabeknowitall
May 7th, 2008, 12:52 AM
You're right, because she definitely feels she's entitled to the presidency. Ask Richardson.
So, the person who has the most pledged delegates, wins the popular vote and more states, should not win the nomination? A person who is behind on every aspect should win the nomination? She should've had this wrapped up by now as a CLINTON, :rolleyes:

I'm going to ask someone who feels entitled himself and didn't even back his own word. :lol:

All you have is a theory on your hands until the majority of superdelegates make their move.

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 01:14 AM
I'm going to ask someone who feels entitled himself and didn't even back his own word. :lol:

All you have is a theory on your hands until the majority of superdelegates make their move.

Ok, and Barack is what...19 or 20 superdelegates behind Hillary now? Wait till tomorrow, :devil:

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 01:21 AM
Ok, and Barack is what...19 or 20 superdelegates behind Hillary now? Wait till tomorrow, :devil:

14 I think, remember he picked up 3 recently

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 01:27 AM
14 I think, remember he picked up 3 recently

Ok, damn it's lights out for Hillary. She needs to drop out.

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 01:29 AM
Ok, damn it's lights out for Hillary. She needs to drop out.

She has run one of the most negative campaigns off all time, but that's not saying that it was clear cut - she is so stuck in the 20th Century!!!

rada
May 7th, 2008, 01:34 AM
Go Barack

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 01:38 AM
The gap has really tightened up in Indiana in the past half hour!

It was more than 14%, now its slightly under 8% and closing!!!

My prediction earlier in the week was HRC would win by 5%, I think I'll be pretty close!

Expat
May 7th, 2008, 01:50 AM
The gap has really tightened up in Indiana in the past half hour!

It was more than 14%, now its slightly under 8% and closing!!!

My prediction earlier in the week was HRC would win by 5%, I think I'll be pretty close!

this when the black chicago suburb of lake is stil not counted
that will be 90+ obama

whyme225
May 7th, 2008, 01:55 AM
It wouldn't be racist if you would apply this idea to Clinton equally. She's going to win Indiana because 90% of the voters are of a favorable kind, you know, those people.

51% of the voters are republicans that's why she is winning and that is sad.

disposablehero
May 7th, 2008, 01:59 AM
CNN are being such cowards here. With 65% reported, they still won't declare Clinton the winner in Indiana. The larger picture anyhow is that she has finally lost the war. Give her credit for the comeback she made, certainly female candidates in the future will appreciate that she didn't let herself be steamrolled when things started going against her.

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 02:15 AM
GAME OVER for Hillary.

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 02:21 AM
Will Lake district hurry up and start counting their votes :fiery:

Clinton has all but won Indiana now, although it could be very close!

And to the people who bad repped me when I said 'I bet on my own grandma that HRC wont win Indiana by more than 10'........go screw yourself :armed:

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 02:23 AM
Will Lake district hurry up and start counting their votes :fiery:

Clinton has all but won Indiana now, although it could be very close!

And to the people who bad repped me when I said 'I bet on my own grandma that HRC wont win Indiana by more than 10'........go screw yourself :armed:

Get em Kittyking!!!

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 02:24 AM
Obama is closing the gap in Indiana.

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 02:26 AM
Currently in Indiana HRC leads by only 52%-48%! And Lake district hasnt even started yet!!!

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 02:27 AM
Another fact I'd like to mention

Barack leads Hillary in North Carolina by more than 150,000 votes........at only 43% reporting :rolls:

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 02:29 AM
Another fact I'd like to mention

Barack leads Hillary in North Carolina by more than 150,000 votes........at only 43% reporting :rolls:

:lol:

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 02:29 AM
Currently in Indiana HRC leads by only 52%-48%! And Lake district hasnt even started yet!!!
Heck, He may win Indiana yet!

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 02:32 AM
Heck, He may win Indiana yet!

Incredible to think that only 90 minutes ago Hillary was leading 57-43 and FOX, CNN and even BBC (British station, its crap dont subcribe to it) said that the gap was likely to grow on the basis that Obama 'continually gets less than votes exit polls give him credit for'.

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 02:33 AM
Currently HRC leads Obama in Indiana by 43,947 votes

Thats tiny when you take into account that nearly a million votes have been counted!

rada
May 7th, 2008, 02:35 AM
Currently HRC leads Obama in Indiana by 43,947 votes

Thats tiny when you take into account that nearly a million votes have been counted!

Go Obama :)

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 02:41 AM
Margins dropped from 43,947 votes to 37,483!

Lake district get counting :fiery:

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 02:50 AM
LAKE DISTRICT start counting! Sheesh! Obama is leading in areas that will win him elections for the presidency!

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 02:54 AM
In his speech he said that he'd compete in North Carolina come November. He should have really said that he'd compete in every single state, trying to meet every single American and every single little boy or girl........oh wait thats corny. Anyway it could well become a Battleground, especially if Black people come out to vote in force!

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 02:59 AM
What the heck is taking the other conties so long? Come on already I am impatient!

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 03:00 AM
Same!

I'm trying to get news on why Lake hasn't started counting voting yet. There was a 1 hour delay.........but its been about an hour since that now :confused:

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 03:03 AM
Oh and the gap has closed down to 35,804!

Only 79% counted, thats very achievable when you take into account Lake. Also in Marion where he leads by 34%, well there is still has 6% remaining to count (its the biggest county, includes Indianapolis)

dementieva's fan
May 7th, 2008, 03:40 AM
On MSNBC they said that results from Lake County will start coming out at 11 ET which is about 25 minutes from now. Apparently they are having to bring in more and more counters to count the votes.

Now Hillary has come out and is claiming victory in Indiana.

Edward.
May 7th, 2008, 03:41 AM
On MSNBC they said that results from Lake County will start coming out at 11 ET which is about 25 minutes from now. Apparently they are having to bring in more and more counters to count the votes.

Now Hillary has come out and is claiming victory in Indiana.

....2 seconds in and already ribbing Barack.

You have failed miserably tonight, woman!

Expat
May 7th, 2008, 03:44 AM
On MSNBC they said that results from Lake County will start coming out at 11 ET which is about 25 minutes from now. Apparently they are having to bring in more and more counters to count the votes.

Now Hillary has come out and is claiming victory in Indiana.
if thats true then the african american voters in lake are more than enough to cut the 4% deficit currently
obama is winning indiana
and the race is over
go mccain

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 03:46 AM
Omg, Hillary just asked people to give her money. She said Go to Hill.com. Lmao.
COME ON and lets get this over with.

Omg Hillary shut up.

Philip
May 7th, 2008, 03:47 AM
could obama still win indiana? wont clinton look foolish if she lost after claiming victory? :help: :lol:

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 03:47 AM
Hillary as ungracious as ever, out of her mind and begging for money. How low can she go?

Edward.
May 7th, 2008, 03:48 AM
She's vowing to plow on and fully support Barack if (when?) he wins.

Nice, but I can't see her pushing the boat out somehow.

Donny
May 7th, 2008, 03:49 AM
http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7BDC088A1A-80FF-4D33-93D5-822ADFE466E9%7D.gif

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 03:52 AM
:lol:

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 03:53 AM
She's vowing to plow on and fully support Barack if (when?) he wins.

Nice, but I can't see her pushing the boat out somehow.

Sounds like she is asking for the VP bid.

I would be very energized to vote for that ticket. I believe others would as well.

It would keep Ohio and Florida in play.

Edward.
May 7th, 2008, 03:54 AM
Urgh, she's on about Florida and Michigan again. She's fucking insane. She needs to drop this.

dementieva's fan
May 7th, 2008, 03:56 AM
Ok so for the past 15 minutes I have been doing some math on Lake County, according to wikipedia the demographics (in 2000) were

White: 67%
Black:25%
Other 8%

According to exit polls the black turnout was 15%, blacks are 9% of Indiana's primaries. So the black turnout was 1.67x their %, states surrounding IN also show a similar black multiple in democrat primaries. So if we assume this holds true in Lake, the AA turnout should 41%. Whites in Indiana voted 40% for Obama and assuming the "other races" vote in the same proportion as whites, the final result in Lake would be

Obama: 61.42
Clinton: 38.58

Obama needs 55% of Lake right? Let's just say this is looking very good on paper. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Mrs. Peel
May 7th, 2008, 03:56 AM
Her speech :rolleyes::o

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 03:57 AM
Ok so for the past 15 minutes I have been doing some math on Lake County, according to wikipedia the demographics (in 2000) were

White: 67%
Black:25%
Other 8%

According to exit polls the black turnout was 15%, blacks are 9% of Indiana's primaries. So the black turnout was 1.67x their %, states surrounding IN also show a similar black multiple in democrat primaries. So if we assume this holds true in Lake, the AA turnout should 41%. Whites voted 40% for Obama and sassuming the "other races" vote in the same proportion as whites, the final result in Lake would be

Obama: 61.42
Clinton: 38.58

Obama needs 55% of Lake right? Let's just say this is looking very good on paper. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Nice work!

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 03:58 AM
Wow, Hillary ended her speech with EXACT same words that Barack ended his! :eek:
"Thank you, and god bless you and god bless America"

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 03:59 AM
Sounds like she is asking for the VP bid.

I would be very energized to vote for that ticket. I believe others would as well.

It would keep Ohio and Florida in play.

I don't think he would ask her to be his V.P.

dementieva's fan
May 7th, 2008, 03:59 AM
Argh, apparently Lake county results have been delayed by another hour!

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 03:59 AM
WHAT?!!!! :eek:

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 04:01 AM
I don't think he would ask her to be his V.P.
Not after she went Republican on the Democratic Party.

Pureracket
May 7th, 2008, 04:02 AM
Well, if he was thinking about asking her to be VP, she didn't help her cause tonight. I'm not supporting her, but I want her to retain the image of strength. Tonight she seemed like a very defeated candidate.

I bet Bill will be glad when all this is over. He looked like was exhausted.

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 04:06 AM
Yeah he did, :lol:

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 04:06 AM
Not after she went Republican on the Democratic Party.

Exactly! ;)

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 04:07 AM
Not after she went Republican on the Democratic Party.

That's what you think. But the other half of this party agrees with her. It's not just about the 51% who are the victors. You need all 100% in November.

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 04:08 AM
Ok, what is reALLY going on in LAKE COUNTY?

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 04:10 AM
That's what you think. But the other half of this party agrees with her. It's not just about the 51% who are the victors. You need all 100% in November.
If Hillary is true to her word and isn't the Bosnia Sniper Fire Hillary, then she'll support Barack and so should her supporters. If they are true Democrats and want what's best for the party and country. It all should take care of itself.

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 04:11 AM
If Hillary is true to her word and isn't the Bosnia Sniper Fire Hillary, then she'll support Barack and so should her supporters. If they are true Democrats and want what's best for the party and country. It all should take care of itself.

Then Barack should support her and realize he hasn't won this in a landslide.

Turn to CNN. They are talking about Lake County. They are holding all numbers until ALL VOTES ARE IN.

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 04:12 AM
Well, if he was thinking about asking her to be VP, she didn't help her cause tonight. I'm not supporting her, but I want her to retain the image of strength. Tonight she seemed like a very defeated candidate.

I bet Bill will be glad when all this is over. He looked like was exhausted.I really hope that he doesn't. That would be a very difficult ticket for me to support. And I can't see what Obama would gain with her as VP. Better to go with a more positive candidate with similar goals as his own, IMHO. Plus, he needs a VP he can trust when his back is turned. :lol:

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 04:13 AM
I really hope that he doesn't. That would be a very difficult ticket for me to support. And I can't see what Obama would gain with her as VP. Better to go with a more positive candidate with similar goals, IMHO. Plus, he needs a VP he can trust when his back is turn. :lol:

It's comment like these and other ones that will continue to divide the party. You may have won Round 1, but Round 2 ( The General Election ) is tougher. It's not a "TOLD YOU SO" campaign where the winner gets to go :ras: to the loser. People have a reason for voting for Hillary. Obama cannot win without Hillary's support.

dementieva's fan
May 7th, 2008, 04:15 AM
More good news from Obama, apparently the county that is home to Bloomington University & Indiana University has yet to report any results as well.:bounce:

Does anyone think that it is rather funny that the counties yet to report are Barack favored? The cynic in me says that the Clinton campaign deliberately conspired to somehow delay the results from these counties so that Clinton can claim victory.

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 04:16 AM
Then Barack should support her and realize he hasn't won this in a landslide.
Support her? Barack congratulated Hillary on her 'win' tonight. That's enough. Barack hasn't made any declarations today that aren't true. Don't go into his mind and try to assume what he thinks - he says what he thinks for all to hear and read.

Turn to CNN. They are talking about Lake County. They are holding all numbers until ALL VOTES ARE IN.
Umm, Barack congratulated Hillary tonight on Indiana. As far as the race, she can't come back. Math is funny that way.

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 04:17 AM
Support her? Barack congratulated Hillary on her 'win' tonight. That's enough. Barack hasn't made any declarations today that aren't true. Don't go into his mind and try to assume what he thinks - he says what he thinks for all to hear and read.


Umm, Barack congratulated Hillary tonight on Indiana. As far as the race, she can't come back. Math is funny that way.

What are you talking about? My comment has nothing to do with that.

Again, you guys need to back off. I try to come in here and be neutral and talk and you guys continue to paint a horrible picture of your camp. Adios.

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 04:21 AM
What are you talking about? My comment has nothing to do with that.

So you're talking nonsense :scratch: That's not good.

Again, you guys need to back off. I try to come in here and be neutral and talk and you guys continue to paint a horrible picture of your camp. Adios.

Why are you being so defensive? Especially when nobody gave you any reason to be? Stop making drama where there is none and please, please, grow up and cease with the insults. Democrats to do that to one another.

dementieva's fan
May 7th, 2008, 04:21 AM
I really hope that he doesn't. That would be a very difficult ticket for me to support. And I can't see what Obama would gain with her as VP. Better to go with a more positive candidate with similar goals as his own, IMHO. Plus, he needs a VP he can trust when his back is turned. :lol:

I agree, it's just not practical. The republicans would just run ads of hilary bashing Obama and say if Obama's vp thinks of him that way why should the American people trust him? I think Obama does need to choose a major clinton supporter as VP he could choose Ed Rendell or Evan Bayh that would do the job of uniting the party. Hillary has crossed the line with her attacks to bechosen as Obama's vp.

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 04:21 AM
It's comment like these and other ones that will continue to divide the party. You may have won Round 1, but Round 2 ( The General Election ) is tougher. It's not a "TOLD YOU SO" campaign where the winner gets to go :ras: to the loser. People have a reason for voting for Hillary. Obama cannot win without Hillary's support.:haha: Sorry dude. Hillary's already done a far better job of dividing the party than I have. but nice try. :wavey:

And remember ITZ...one person, one vote. My vote counts for just one.


....just one. ;)

disposablehero
May 7th, 2008, 04:22 AM
More good news from Obama, apparently the county that is home to Bloomington University & Indiana University has yet to report any results as well.:bounce:

Does anyone think that it is rather funny that the counties yet to report are Barack favored? The cynic in me says that the Clinton campaign deliberately conspired to somehow delay the results from these counties so that Clinton can claim victory.
Makes no sense at all. If you strut around claiming victory then lose in the middle of the night after the final tally, you look like a tool. Not something experienced politicos would risk.

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 04:23 AM
So you're talking nonsense :scratch: That's not good.



Why are you being so defensive? Especially when nobody gave you any reason to be? Stop making drama where there is none and please, please, grow up and cease with the insults. Democrats to do that to one another.

Exactly my point. You proved it perfectly. Thanks.

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 04:25 AM
Exactly my point. You proved it perfectly. Thanks.

That's you're talking nonsense :shrug: You're welcome to that but why you'd want to claim that is beyond me :wavey:

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 04:25 AM
That's you're talking nonsense :shrug: You're welcome to that but why you'd want to claim that is beyond me :wavey:

Weren't you the one who put me on the Serena Haters list? Oh, that's right. You were. Proves my point on how ridiculous you are.

And the fact that again, my point all along has been, you guys set the traps, pass the instigating comments, and then point when the bait is taken. It's the argument we've been saying all night.

I'm sick of it.

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 04:26 AM
Ok, what is reALLY going on in LAKE COUNTY?

I know, right? :lol:

I really hope that he doesn't. That would be a very difficult ticket for me to support. And I can't see what Obama would gain with her as VP. Better to go with a more positive candidate with similar goals as his own, IMHO. Plus, he needs a VP he can trust when his back is turned. :lol:

:lol:

More good news from Obama, apparently the county that is home to Bloomington University & Indiana University has yet to report any results as well.:bounce:

Does anyone think that it is rather funny that the counties yet to report are Barack favored? The cynic in me says that the Clinton campaign deliberately conspired to somehow delay the results from these counties so that Clinton can claim victory.

Me too, something shady is up!

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 04:26 AM
I agree, it's just not practical. The republicans would just run ads of hilary bashing Obama and say if Obama's vp thinks of him that way why should the American people trust him? I think Obama does need to choose a major clinton supporter as VP he could choose Ed Rendell or Evan Bayh that would do the job of uniting the party. Hillary has crossed the line with her attacks to bechosen as Obama's vp.Exactly!

And let's remember that Hillary herself came out personally and characterized Barack as a loser.
Wasn't she the one who supported McCain over Barack?!

Sorry, ITZ, but Hillary all but destroyed her own chances right then and there, :shrug:

Plus, it would be MIGHTY awkward with the Clintons and the Obamas having a celebratory dinner after all she's said and done through her character assassination commercials. :scared:

I think she’s a smart campaigner, but somehow I just don’t think that she thought enough ahead on that count. :tape:

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 04:27 AM
Exactly!

And let's remember that Hillary herself came out personally and characterized Barack as a loser.
Wasn't she the one who supported McCain over Barack?!

Sorry, ITZ, but Hillary all but destroyed her own chances right then and there, :shrug:

Plus, it would be MIGHTY awkward with the Clintons and the Obamas having a celebratory dinner after all she's said and done through her damaging commercials. :scared:

Don't apologize to me. Apologize to the Democratic party when McCain wins.

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 04:31 AM
Weren't you the one who put me on the Serena Haters list? Oh, that's right. You were. Proves my point on how ridiculous you are.
You were the one crying about it. I guess you should go on the Obama hater's list next. You take yourself so seriously.

And the fact that again, my point all along has been, you guys set the traps, pass the instigating comments, and then point when the bait is taken. It's the argument we've been saying all night.

I'm sick of it.

I'm sick of delusional comments like yours. You're only lying to yourself really and that is a shame. You engaged people in conversation and found yourself lacking and therefore decided to strike out and imagine yourself as being attacked or ganged up on. You aren't even that important to sweat over so this unnecessary and contrived drama of yours isn't cool. I won't take the bait and engage any further with you. Adios :)

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 04:32 AM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080507/i/r1096429239.jpg?

ptkten
May 7th, 2008, 04:35 AM
Don't apologize to me. Apologize to the Democratic party when McCain wins.

Why are Hillary supporters so insistent that Obama can't win when every poll has shown him with a good of chance or better of beating McCain. I've always said Hillary has a chance to beat McCain, so I don't see why you can't admit that Obama can win.

The only way he doesn't win is if angry Hillary supporters don't support the democratic nominee and are selfish. I can't rationally see how anyone who would support Hillary's policies, would sit out the race and allow McCain to become president.

It's funny how everyone said at the beginning of the election that Obama supporters were a cult but most of us would support either in the general. It looks like the Hillary supporters are turning cult-like.

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 04:37 AM
Why are Hillary supporters so insistent that Obama can't win when every poll has shown him with a good of chance or better of beating McCain. I've always said Hillary has a chance to beat McCain, so I don't see why you can't admit that Obama can win.

The only way he doesn't win is if angry Hillary supporters don't support the democratic nominee and are selfish. I can't rationally see how anyone who would support Hillary's policies, would sit out the race and allow McCain to become president.

It's funny how everyone said at the beginning of the election that Obama supporters were a cult but most of us would support either in the general. It looks like the Hillary supporters are turning cult-like.

I'm voting for Obama. But I am not everyone. We're not a cult. But don't disregard our values, our votes and act like we were mislead and our votes don't even count. There's major work to be done. There's a reason people voted for Hillary and not Barack.

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 04:42 AM
http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7BDC088A1A-80FF-4D33-93D5-822ADFE466E9%7D.gif
:lol:

ptkten
May 7th, 2008, 04:43 AM
I'm voting for Obama. But I am not everyone. We're not a cult. But don't disregard our values, our votes and act like we were mislead and our votes don't even count. There's major work to be done. There's a reason people voted for Hillary and not Barack.

O.k. good, I agree that we can't disregard Hillary supporters, I know there are a lot of people out there who really respect her on healthcare and the economy (except for the gas tax).

I really don't think there's too big of a difference on the issues so I don't think it will be as difficult as people think to bring the sides together. Hillary as VP's not going to happen, but I think it would be possible to pick someone like Rendell, Bayh, or Clark who were big Clinton supporters and that could somewhat heal the divide...or a woman like Sebelius in case women felt alienated.

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 04:43 AM
Urgh, she's on about Florida and Michigan again. She's fucking insane. She needs to drop this.
:worship:

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 04:44 AM
There's a reason people voted for Hillary and not Barack.

I found a picture which sums it up perfectly :D

http://oskool.com/images/Funny/are_u_on_drugs.jpg

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 04:44 AM
Don't apologize to me. Apologize to the Democratic party when McCain wins.I agree with you. Hillary really should apologize to the Democratic party (AND the people). ;)

Wannabeknowitall
May 7th, 2008, 04:44 AM
I'm voting for Obama. But I am not everyone. We're not a cult. But don't disregard our values, our votes and act like we were mislead and our votes don't even count. There's major work to be done. There's a reason people voted for Hillary and not Barack.

ITZ is right, he's not everyone.
I'm an independent and I have no affliation to the democratic party and I owe them nothing.

And seeing that the only good representation on here for the Republican party is CJ07, I might have to take over (kittyking and samsung are tools sorry) for representation for McCain on this forum. :devil:

dementieva's fan
May 7th, 2008, 04:45 AM
Now with 91% reporting the difference is down to 19000 and 2 points!!

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 04:47 AM
Ok, what is reALLY going on in LAKE COUNTY?
2 pt. difference.

Barack 08 :worship::worship::worship:

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 04:48 AM
75-25 so far in Lake County!

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 04:49 AM
ITZ is right, he's not everyone.
I'm an independent and I have no affliation to the democratic party and I owe them nothing.

And seeing that the only good representation on here for the Republican party is CJ07, I might have to take over (kittyking and samsung are tools sorry) for representation for McCain on this forum. :devil:

I'm a fiscal Republican, but on most other issues I'm pretty centred (honestly!)

I like John McCain and I like Barack Obama. Both are very honest and have proved this time and time again. When one of them wins and the other looses they will do it with their dignity. Hillary Clinton, along with that pathetic husband of hers both lost their dignity along time ago. Hillary had guts to run for President, but its a pity that she doesn't have the balls to quit!

ptkten
May 7th, 2008, 04:50 AM
Obama could win this state, depends what precincts in Lake County are coming in

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 04:51 AM
75-25 so far in Lake County!

:rolls: So Lake County starts only 4 hours late

Alittle note - off my calculations Barack needs approx to win approx 67.5-32.5% (if its a turnout of over 150,000 then slightly less, if under 150,000 then slightly more)

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 04:52 AM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080507/i/r104585045.jpg?

njnetswill
May 7th, 2008, 04:52 AM
Obama won't have the votes. CNN says all of the votes so far in Lake County have come from Gary.

Ellery
May 7th, 2008, 04:55 AM
I agree with you. Hillary really should apologize to the Democratic party (AND the people). ;)

For what? I am completely lost here. For being such a great candidate that half of America wants her as their democratic nominee? :confused: :tape:

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 04:56 AM
Marion Country still has 2% to go, this doesnt sound much but its the largest county by far and Baracks winning it 67%-33%. He could well gain another 2 or 3 thousand votes here over Hillary, that reduces the gap to less than 20,000.

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 04:56 AM
I really hope that he doesn't. That would be a very difficult ticket for me to support. And I can't see what Obama would gain with her as VP. Better to go with a more positive candidate with similar goals as his own, IMHO. Plus, he needs a VP he can trust when his back is turned. :lol:
I hope he doesn't pick Hillary either. What good would it do him to have Bill and Hillary? Looks like Rush helped Hillary in Indiana, without him Hillary would have lost Indiana for sure. Imagine Barack having the worse 2 weeks of his candidacy and still being neck to neck in Indiana. A state ideal for Hllary, plus Bill going to all the redneck counties in N.C. didn't do any good here.

I just figured out why Bill's face was so red, probably to much moonshine in rural N.C.:help:


Hillary just canceled all of her morning shows. :eek:

ptkten
May 7th, 2008, 04:57 AM
Obama won't have the votes. CNN says all of the votes so far in Lake County have come from Gary.

If that's true, then he won't win, but still amazing that he came so close.

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 04:58 AM
I hope he doesn't pick Hillary either. What good would it do him to have Bill and Hillary? Looks like Rush helped Hillary in Indiana, without him Hillary would have lost Indiana for sure. Imagine Barack having the worse 2 weeks of his candidacy and still being neck to neck in Indiana. A state ideal for Hllary, plus Bill going to all the redneck counties in N.C. didn't do any good here.

I just figured out why Bill's face was so red, probably to much moonshine in rural N.C.:help:


Hillary just canceled all of her morning shows. :eek:

She's probably called a crisis meeting

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 04:58 AM
For what? I am completely lost here. For being such a great candidate that half of America wants her as their democratic nominee? :confused: :tape:

http://oskool.com/images/Funny/are_u_on_drugs.jpg

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 04:59 AM
I'm a fiscal Republican, but on most other issues I'm pretty centred (honestly!)

I like John McCain and I like Barack Obama. Both are very honest and have proved this time and time again. When one of them wins and the other looses they will do it with their dignity. Hillary Clinton, along with that pathetic husband of hers both lost their dignity along time ago. Hillary had guts to run for President, but its a pity that she doesn't have the balls to quit!
:bowdown::woohoo:

dementieva's fan
May 7th, 2008, 05:00 AM
Marion Country still has 2% to go, this doesnt sound much but its the largest county by far and Baracks winning it 67%-33%. He could well gain another 2 or 3 thousand votes here over Hillary, that reduces the gap to less than 20,000.
Also, don't forget that there is also around 11000 absentee ballot in Lace county that have yet to be counted that could net Obama another 3-4 thousand votes.

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 05:02 AM
Also, don't forget that there is also around 11000 absentee ballot in Lace county that have yet to be counted that could net Obama another 3-4 thousand votes.

I think your referring to LaKe county, but yes thats right forgot about them! 4k+3k= Maybe Barack could win Indiana afterall :eek:

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 05:03 AM
For what? I am completely lost here. For being such a great candidate that half of America wants her as their democratic nominee? :confused: :tape:Firstly, it was a dig in response to what ITZ said to me. If you'd like to go back and read what lead up to it, then great.

Secondly, I really would not care either way whether or not she apologizes for anything she's done up to this point.
(Character assassination of her own party's candidate, the race card, lying about Bosnia sniper fire, etc...etc...etc...)
If you're still lost, then I'll pray for ya.
(Except I'm not a religious man). :tape:

Edward.
May 7th, 2008, 05:04 AM
I just figured out why Bill's face was so red, probably to much moonshine in rural N.C.:help:

:haha: :rolls:

Poor Bill. The guy looks knackered.

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 05:06 AM
Just saw another area where Barack is expected to pick up 1-2k - Monroe county!

Rocketta
May 7th, 2008, 05:06 AM
I hope he doesn't pick Hillary either. What good would it do him to have Bill and Hillary? Looks like Rush helped Hillary in Indiana, without him Hillary would have lost Indiana for sure. Imagine Barack having the worse 2 weeks of his candidacy and still being neck to neck in Indiana. A state ideal for Hllary, plus Bill going to all the redneck counties in N.C. didn't do any good here.

I just figured out why Bill's face was so red, probably to much moonshine in rural N.C.:help:


Hillary just canceled all of her morning shows. :eek:

Hey now, he was in my hometown this wednesday. :fiery:


:lol:

DannerCal
May 7th, 2008, 05:07 AM
Blacks and naive college kids led Obama to victory in North Carolina yet Serena fans will still deny it :o

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 05:10 AM
Hey now, he was in my hometown this wednesday. :fiery:


:lol:
So you're the one that gave him the moonshine. :worship:

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 05:11 AM
Blacks and naive college kids led Obama to victory in North Carolina yet Serena fans will still deny it :oDidn't you know...?

Blacks account for 75% of all voting Americans in this country.
And Naive college kids are far too dumb to know what a 'candidate' is. :shrug: :tape:

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 05:12 AM
Blacks and naive college kids led Obama to victory in North Carolina yet Serena fans will still deny it :o
You forgot the naive professionals over 50K.

Rocketta
May 7th, 2008, 05:12 AM
Didn't you know...?

Blacks account for 75% of all voting Americans in this country.
And Naive college kids are far too dumb to know what a 'candidate' is. :shrug: :tape:

and it's the beer swigging factory worker that knows the "real" truth. :lol:

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 05:12 AM
You forgot the naive professionals over 50K.
And he educated lattee drinkers.

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 05:13 AM
Didn't you know...?

Blacks account for 75% of all voting Americans in this country.
And Naive college kids are far too dumb to know what a 'candidate' is. :shrug: :tape:

What? :eek:

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 05:14 AM
And he educated lattee drinkers.


Hi Diesel :)

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 05:15 AM
and it's the beer swigging factory worker that knows the "real" truth. :lol:
:lol:

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 05:16 AM
And he educated lattee drinkers.
:lol::lol:

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 05:16 AM
and it's the beer swigging factory worker that knows the "real" truth. :lol::haha: Damn straight! :lol:

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 05:16 AM
LAKE county is reporting and it looks like Obama is trouncing her. By a huge margin. Prolly not enough to win Indiana but he could make it close.

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 05:17 AM
Hi Diesel :)

:wavey:

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 05:18 AM
What? :eek:Yeah, didn't you know?
It's a topsey-turvy world out der. :devil: :angel:

Blacks truly hold all the power in this country.
The media just doesn't want us all to know that. :shrug: :tape:

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 05:20 AM
LAKE county is reporting and it looks like Obama is trouncing her. By a huge margin. Prolly not enough to win Indiana but he could make it close.

Don't forgot Monroe or Marion counties who still have some votes to be counted. Barack is beating Hillary by 2-1 in those counties. Also absentee votes to be counted. Only 20,000 votes seperates them.

Lake get your act together :armed:

Sir Stefwhit
May 7th, 2008, 05:21 AM
No matter what, at this point the victory is all Obama's. Barack being so close and virtually tying Hillary in Indiana spells doom for candidacy. MSNBC is basically writing Hillary's obituary, but I think most headlines tomorrow will reflect just that.

Hillary's already canceled all her scheduled tv appearances for tomorrow, that's telling in and of itself.

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 05:25 AM
Yeah, so why do you guys think she canceled her appearances?

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 05:27 AM
Yeah, so why do you guys think she canceled her appearances?

You guys need to watch Fox News more often :p

Crisis meeting, well that was the architects best guess anyway

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 05:28 AM
You guys need to watch Fox News more often :p

Crisis meeting, well that was the architects best guess anyway

That's great! They're panicking!! :bounce:

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 05:31 AM
I think she's cancelling her appearances because she is mentally tired. Her camp is having a crisis meeting tomorrow to figure out what she should do. She is running out of money and frankly, I believe she is beginning to fold her cards. Did you see the way Chelsea was looking tonight? She had tears in her eyes. I give Hillary credit for keeping her head up and not showing defeat. She will stay around in June. Then, she'll concede.

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 05:33 AM
Yeah, didn't you know?
It's a topsey-turvy world out der. :devil: :angel:

Blacks truly hold all the power in this country.
The media just doesn't want us all to know that. :shrug: :tape:
What's so interesting is that Barack's grass roots org. is so diverse racially and it was so encouraging to be a part of it. At the celebration it was wonderful to see blacks, whites, Hispanics, all celebrating and dancing at the club. It was as though we were in Raleigh where Barack was. this particular place had huge big screen tv's and the party was on, especially when Barack spoke. Even people that didn't know each other were laughing, hugging, and partying together.

There were supporters from N.Y. Pa. Fl. and from other places that came to N.C. to support Barack. We'll be sad to see them go but they'll be back for the general election. :lol:

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 05:34 AM
Yeah, so why do you guys think she canceled her appearances?Well, this is only second-hand intell., but I heard that the Hillary camp is consulting with Tonya Harding and her people on the best offensive approach.

Understand though, that's just rumored at the moment.

kittyking
May 7th, 2008, 05:37 AM
Well, this is only second-hand intell., but I heard that the Hillary camp is consulting with Tonya Harding and her people on the best offensive approach.

Understand though, that's just rumored at the moment.

I think I'm the second-hand intelligence here :rolls:

It was purely an educated guess :lol:

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 05:38 AM
No matter what, at this point the victory is all Obama's. Barack being so close and virtually tying Hillary in Indiana spells doom for candidacy. MSNBC is basically writing Hillary's obituary, but I think most headlines tomorrow will reflect just that.

Hillary's already canceled all her scheduled tv appearances for tomorrow, that's telling in and of itself.
Don't forget that Hillary lent her campaign another $5 million and she ran more ads than Barack in N.C. which pissed me off but Barack's campaign knew what they were doing,

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 05:38 AM
I am so excited about this election. What is really making me so happy about this is our youth. The youth is pushing the old school, ways of thinking out the back door. It's time for a change and the 30 something youths are tired. The youths will be the future of America.

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 05:39 AM
What's so interesting is that Barack's grass roots org. is so diverse racially and it was so encouraging to be a part of it. At the celebration it was wonderful to see blacks, whites, Hispanics, all celebrating and dancing at the club. It was as though we were in Raleigh where Barack was. this particular place had huge big screen tv's and the party was on, especially when Barack spoke. Even people that didn't know each other were laughing, hugging, and partying together.

There were supporters from N.Y. Pa. Fl. and from other places that came to N.C. to support Barack. We'll be sad to see them go but they'll be back for the general election. :lol:I would LOVE to witness the entire country doing this. :worship:
THAT'S the sort of unity I'm talking about.

Thanks mykarma. You just lifetd my spirits. :worship: :angel:

In The Zone
May 7th, 2008, 05:40 AM
I think she's cancelling her appearances because she is mentally tired. Her camp is having a crisis meeting tomorrow to figure out what she should do. She is running out of money and frankly, I believe she is beginning to fold her cards. Did you see the way Chelsea was looking tonight? She had tears in her eyes. I give Hillary credit for keeping her head up and not showing defeat. She will stay around in June. Then, she'll concede.

I agree with half of this.

Girlfriend has been working hard for weeks on end. She is in do or die mode. And now with WV and KY, she can finally breathe and relax. 16 hours day for weeks on end. Not easy. Barack gets to sleep and go on vacations every now and then. :p

There will definitely be a meeting to look over the hand they have right now but Hillary isn't going anywhere. No reason to bow out now with KY and WV coming. Next bow out time will be after Oregon.

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 05:41 AM
I think I'm the second-hand intelligence here :rolls:

It was purely an educated guess :lol::haha: :lol:

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 05:42 AM
Don't forget that Hillary lent her campaign another $5 million and she ran more ads than Barack in N.C. which pissed me off but Barack's campaign knew what they were doing,

She lent her campaign another 5 mil? Wow, :eek:

I am so excited about this election. What is really making me so happy about this is our youth. The youth is pushing the old school, ways of thinking out the back door. It's time for a change and the 30 something youths are tired. The youths will be the future of America.

Yay, we're the future! I'm in the league of first time voters!!!

Donny
May 7th, 2008, 05:44 AM
I agree with half of this.

Girlfriend has been working hard for weeks on end. She is in do or die mode. And now with WV and KY, she can finally breathe and relax. 16 hours day for weeks on end. Not easy. Barack gets to sleep and go on vacations every now and then. :p

There will definitely be a meeting to look over the hand they have right now but Hillary isn't going anywhere. No reason to bow out now with KY and WV coming. Next bow out time will be after Oregon.

Yes, two small states in which anything short of a blowout will be seen as a loss for her. Relaxing.

ptkten
May 7th, 2008, 05:44 AM
As an Obama supporter I do feel bad for her. The woman believed, probably for a lot of her adult life, that she was going to be president and her lifelong dream has just been shattered. She's given a lot to the party and it's a shame she threw away alot of goodwill based on some of the actions of her campaign. Hopefully she'll be a gracious loser and all will be forgiven, at least on my front.

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 05:47 AM
I am so excited about this election. What is really making me so happy about this is our youth. The youth is pushing the old school, ways of thinking out the back door. It's time for a change and the 30 something youths are tired. The youths will be the future of America.So true Dawn Marie. :worship:
I think the youth are realizing that they are the ones who will be paying the war tab, and they ain't happy about that. :lol:
Even my kids (19, 16, & 11) are interested in politics now. :eek: :scared:

Diesel
May 7th, 2008, 05:49 AM
Don't forget that Hillary lent her campaign another $5 million and she ran more ads than Barack in N.C. which pissed me off but Barack's campaign knew what they were doing,

There's no reason to have Hillary on the ticket. It's about looking forward and not looking back. You can't repair what Hillary, the Clinton's and their surrogates have done by giving her a VP spot. She hurts him more than helps. Hillary, again if she's true to her word, can only help by being on the sidelines and act like a Democrat.

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 05:51 AM
So true Dawn Marie. :worship:
I think the youth are realizing that they are the ones who will be paying the war tab, and they ain't happy about that. :lol:
Even my kids (19, 16, & 11) are interested in politics now. :eek: :scared:


You have a 19 year-old? :eek: He/She's almost my age. :eek: I had no idea you were that old. :scared:

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 06:07 AM
You have a 19 year-old? :eek: He/She's almost my age. :eek: I had no idea you were that old. :scared::haha: Yep.
And he'll be 20 this year. ;)
I'm and ooooold dude, ...with the body of an Ebony Greek God. :haha:

darrinbaker00
May 7th, 2008, 06:13 AM
:haha: Yep.
And he'll be 20 this year. ;)
I'm and ooooold dude, ...with the body of an Ebony Greek God. :haha:
You're not old, my friend, and don't let anyone but me tell you otherwise. ;)

Cam'ron Giles
May 7th, 2008, 06:20 AM
More intell coming in...Hillary plan on introducing legislation to have the voting age changed to 35 retroactive to January '08...:scared:

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 06:21 AM
You're not old, my friend, and don't let anyone but me tell you otherwise. ;)

:lol: How old are you darrin?

darrinbaker00
May 7th, 2008, 06:24 AM
:lol: How old are you darrin?
I will be 43 next month.

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 06:25 AM
I will be 43 next month.

Did you attend Cal?

darrinbaker00
May 7th, 2008, 06:35 AM
Did you attend Cal?
Nope, San Jose State. I became a big-time Cal fan when I moved in wife's place in Berkeley. Both schools share an intense hatred of all things Stanford :devil:.

Cam'ron Giles
May 7th, 2008, 06:41 AM
G, how old are you and where do you go to school?

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 06:41 AM
G, how old are you and where do you go to school?

Eh, Why? :) I thought you knew already anyway from that Pics thread awhile back.

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 06:43 AM
Nope, San Jose State. I became a big-time Cal fan when I moved in wife's place in Berkeley. Both schools share an intense hatred of all things Stanford :devil:.

:lol: Go Stanford!!! I hate Cal. But, maybe part of that is envy since I always wanted to go there but never tried to get in. So, I am bitter towards anything and everything Cal. ;)

Cam'ron Giles
May 7th, 2008, 06:51 AM
Eh, Why? :) I thought you knew already anyway from that Pics thread awhile back.

um... obviously not...Just curious...:) I went to Morehouse in ATL...wont say my age though...;)

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 06:52 AM
um... obviously not...Just curious...:) I went to Morehouse in ATL...wont say my age though...;)


23. But I am not saying what school I went to in this thread. :p

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 06:53 AM
Anyway, the media is really hyping this up like Hillary has a chance. She doesn't.

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 07:33 AM
You're not old, my friend, and don't let anyone but me tell you otherwise. ;)Thanks Darrin. :sad:
I can always count on my West Coast homies. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/beerchug.gif

Penne1
May 7th, 2008, 07:46 AM
Regardless of who wins this Democrat nomination neither is gonna beat a John McCain/Condie ticket come November.

Of course it won't help throwing out the candidate who has won all the big states, the swing states and basically commands the support of the really important demographics to carry a general election victory. I am bemused at this whole Democrat race.

Give Barrack the popular vote - it's just a shame he isn't wining where it REALLY counts. I can't believe he is considered the most likely out of the two when he has built his SLIGHT lead in pissy states that really don't matter when it comes to the general election and what's more I can't believe it will be Hilary getting the tap on the shoulder to drop out in the coming weeks. I think the so called Super Delegates really need to think long and hard about this decision because ultimately this prmary race is so so close it is THEIR decision. IMHO Obama has not garnered near enough of the majority to carry the nomination and I can't believe that there aren't lots of Democrat party members who aren't thinking what I am thinking.

I can guarantee you now that Barrack Obama will not beat John McCain come November. Hilary will struggle to but as things stand right now she is the common sense candidate but of course there is absolutely NO common sense in politics....just look at how many people insist of voting for the vague promises and policies of Barrack. In my mind this primary race has all the credibility of a high school prom King and Queen vote. What a joke. Wake up America.

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 07:49 AM
Regardless of who wins this Democrat nomination neither is gonna beat a John McCain/Condie ticket come November.
Of course it won't help throwing out the candidate who has won all the big states, the swing states and basically commands the support of the really important demographics to carry a general election victory. I am bemused at this whole Democrat race.
Give Barrack the popular vote - it's just a shame he isn't wining where it REALLY counts. I can't believe he is considered the most likely out of the two when he has built his SLIGHT lead in pissy states that really don't matter when it comes to the general election and what's more I can't believe it will be Hilary getting the tap on the shoulder to drop out in the coming weeks. I think the so called Super Delegates really need to think long and hard about this decision because ultimately this prmary race is so so close it is THEIR decision. IMHO Obama has not garnered near enough of the majority to carry the nomination and I can't believe that there aren't lots of Democrat party members who aren't thinking what I am thinking.
I can guarantee you now that Barrack Obama will not beat John McCain come November. Hilary will struggle to but as things stand right now she is the common sense candidate but of course there is absolutely NO common sense in politics....just look at how many people insist of voting for the vague promises and policies of Barrack. In my mind this primary race has all the credibility of a high school prom King and Queen vote. What a joke. Wake up America.


Translation: Even though Barack Obama has brought people out who has never voted before and the democrats voter turnout are almost doubled that of the Republicans, I am just bitter and angry that this guy, who nobody heard before, has come out of the woodworks, became a phenomenon, and took the democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton.


:bigcry: :sad: :bigcry: :baby: :lol:

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 08:06 AM
Translation: Even though Barack Obama has brought people out who has never voted before and the democrats voter turnout are almost doubled that of the Republicans, I am just bitter and angry that this guy, who nobody heard before, has come out of the woodworks, became a phenomenon, and took the democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton.


:bigcry: :sad: :bigcry: :baby: :lol:An even shorter translation: I'm a skeered Republican. :scared:


http://deephousepage.com/smilies/Smoker.gif

Penne1
May 7th, 2008, 08:09 AM
Not really. Just pissed that people aren't voting for the right reasons when America desperately needs them to.

Barrack Obama could one day make a good president but he isn't ready and he has shown that during this primary race. He's just lucky that hating Hilary Clinton has become trendy. :rolleyes:

I am also never going to forgive him for calling Australia a "rogue nation" and grouping us with the likes of Iran, Iraq, Syria and North Korea simply because our government was discussing the possibility of using more nuclear power in the next 20 - 30 years.

a) Where does he get off telling other countries what to do and what not to do when his merely a state senator

and

b) Is this a blue print for how he is going to behave if he becomes President?

If so I not only say God help America but god help the rest of the world.

Doesn't the dumbass know that we are all gonna have to address the issue of using more nuclear power in the next decade as we wastefully use up all our natural resources. He is already acting as though he has a right to determine who does and who doesn't get to use nuclear power technology before he becomes president imagine the hubris he will have when his backside is seated in the Oval office.

It's the small details that are out there that his voters are choosing to ignore - I hope it doesn't come back to bite them in the ass.

I say better the devil you know USA!

G1Player2
May 7th, 2008, 08:12 AM
An even shorter translation: I'm a skeered Republican. :scared:


http://deephousepage.com/smilies/Smoker.gif

:lol: I'll take that interpretation too.

RVD
May 7th, 2008, 09:04 AM
Not really. Just pissed that people aren't voting for the right reasons when America desperately needs them to.As opposed to the reason why Bush was selected and then elected?
Look, politics is very strange business. It's a span of time for when people lose their damn minds and logic flies out the window. As a Republican, you should understand this better than any other party member.
Barrack Obama could one day make a good president but he isn't ready and he has shown that during this primary race. He's just lucky that hating Hilary Clinton has become trendy. :rolleyes:I'm one of those guys who initially despised Barack. I even said that he was too green to be an effective leader. Then I looked at the alternatives, woke up quick, and swallowed my pride. Because what this guy has done has already defided all odds. He is defeating a well known, and well respected, more senior Senator who has established decades of support and supporters. More than that, he's taking some of them away from this senior senator.
That's someone who can change minds and hearts, my friend. That's someone with the credentials to lead, IMHO.
I am also never going to forgive him for calling Australia a "rogue nation" and grouping us with the likes of Iran, Iraq, Syria and North Korea simply because our government was discussing the possibility of using more nuclear power in the next 20 - 30 years.I never thought I'd ever forgive him for pal(ling) up with the likes of LIE-berman. But hey, I believe that he's gotten over that little phase, and has hopefully come to his senses. That said, I believe that all politician say and do some very questionable things. But I try to filter out the noise and establish a sense of the true man or woman behind the rhetoric of the moment. Personally, I don't recall him saying such as you've described, but then again, McCain has been floundering despicably and he gets a pass every time. Again, as a Republican, I'm sure that you can appreciate that politicians say the darndest things to get the public’s attention. And sometimes they just say dumb things, period. :)
a) Where does he get off telling other countries what to do and what not to do when his merely a state senator I wouldn't take it personally. It's his job to make domestic and international decisions based upon American intelligence. All senators do and have.
and

b) Is this a blue print for how he is going to behave if he becomes President?Rest assured that very few American Presidents act alone.
They have cabinet members, The Senate, and The House as a weigh and measure balance. Not only that, but Barack will be the most scrutinized president in history IF he makes it that far.
If so I not only say God help America but god help the rest of the world.I may have mistook you for a Republican. If I have, then I apologize. But if you are a Republican, how would you rectify this feeling in respect to Bush's foul-ups and outright illegal activities? Do you feel the same way, or does Bush get a pass?
Doesn't the dumbass know that we are all gonna have to address the issue of using more nuclear power in the next decade as we wastefully use up all our natural resources. He is already acting as though he has a right to determine who does and who doesn't get to use nuclear power technology before he becomes president imagine the hubris he will have when his backside is seated in the Oval office.I'd hardly consider this man a “dumbass”. In fact, he and his people have run one of the smartest campaigns in decades!! Even some Republicans believe in him. Now isn’t that telling?
And again, Presidents do not make decisions in a vacuum. Also, who's to say that we (and other countries) will be switching to nuclear energy at all. There are numerous alternative energy technologies (and advancing technologies) making progress everyday. We (and other countries) may move to cold fusion, or battery fuel cells, or wind or ocean energy resources. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there's some alternative energy that is currently in the works that we're not privy to at this very moment. :shrug:
It's the small details that are out there that his voters are choosing to ignore - I hope it doesn't come back to bite them in the ass.

I say better the devil you know USA!And there will always be small details that all politicians will hide. And he's no different from any of our past leaders.

Final word:
Anybody is better than that buffoon we've had occupying he White House for eight solid years.
Hell, I'd vote for a one-winged Fruit-Fly before I'd ever vote Republican. I am just not enthusiastic about ever living under the Republican rule ever again. And I'm absolutely certain that many Americans (even some Republicans) feel the same.
Give the man a chance to make a difference, I say. We've lost so much already in this country. The least of which is our credibility around the world. And yes, that is important.
At least this man can more than string two coherent sentences together, and is quite eloquent and statesman-like. That's in itself is a HUGE improving over Bush and Co.

Selah
May 7th, 2008, 11:15 AM
Blacks and naive college kids led Obama to victory in North Carolina yet Serena fans will still deny it :o

Perspective is everything, I'll use a :) on that, at least their votes finally matter. :)

Oh, and Hilary please go away. :)

mykarma
May 7th, 2008, 02:22 PM
She lent her campaign another 5 mil? Wow, :eek:



Yay, we're the future! I'm in the league of first time voters!!!
Sorry Doni I made a mistake. It wasn't 5 mil. it was 6.4 mil. :eek::eek:

*JR*
May 7th, 2008, 02:30 PM
3 bitches who had really bad days yesterday:

Peppermint Patty

Sleazy Sesil

Huckster Hillary

In hockey you call that a hat trick. :woohoo:

samsung101
May 7th, 2008, 04:24 PM
Hillary knows she can't catch him in delegates.

But, she's always counted on something blowing his campaign
up from now until August in Denver - some gaffe, scandal,
conviction of Rezko, etc.

You know, something we'll be told of November 10th or so, after
the vote...at this rate, by the Obama Loving Mainstream Media.
The way they media used to love Bill Clinton in 1992. OH, the
good old days, says HIllary....now, she's the old, worn, well known,
shrill candidate...not Bush, Sr. or Dole or Perot. It's her.


On the other hand, even with a campaign that is outspending her 5 to 1,
which has cash to burn, Obama lost a state near his home state. Another
large state, he lost. A union friendly state, he lost.

That boosts McCain.
Who has done little right so far in my view, and should lose in a
landslide.

The White House should go to Obama in a huge victory, unless he screws it up,
or McCain is able to actually do battle with him. He isn't going to win being
a nice guy. Hillary has not gone this far toe to toe w/a richer, media liked
Obama by being nice and friendly. If McCain does that ,he's Michael Dukakis.

Right now, I would say Obama will win a big election in November.

Then, we'll get to see the real Obama, the #1 liberal in the Senate, and the #1
fan of Ayers and Rezko and Wright, a guy who has told Iran he will talk to them
much more than Bush, no matter what, and who will raise our taxes across the board
from gas to income to payroll....and give illegal aliens licenses, and open up our
borders even more. Happy Days are here again! Oh yeah, and he might, might not
bring the troops home from Iraq - within 18 months, or 24 months, or something like
that (pretty much what Bush is doing now - a 2 year plan).

samsung101
May 7th, 2008, 04:27 PM
I do find it funny to see the MSNBC-Obama Network bash her endlessly.

She must leave.
She has to leave.
She has no chance.
She's toast.

Really.

They said that in January, February, etc.
She's still here.

For all of his huge money advantages, outspending her in ads, he
has lost some major Democratic states, like PA and Indiana and California
and Florida.....why?

Half the party is not for Obama.
Half the liberal Democrats in America are not 100% on board w/him.

George Soros and Moveon.org pushed for the guy who beat Lieberman in the
Senate primary in CT...and look what happened to him.

LeonHart
May 7th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Then, we'll get to see the real Obama, the #1 liberal in the Senate, and the #1
fan of Ayers and Rezko and Wright, a guy who has told Iran he will talk to them
much more than Bush, no matter what, and who will raise our taxes across the board
from gas to income to payroll....and give illegal aliens licenses, and open up our
borders even more. Happy Days are here again! Oh yeah, and he might, might not
bring the troops home from Iraq - within 18 months, or 24 months, or something like
that (pretty much what Bush is doing now - a 2 year plan).

Samsung, that is what I'm afraid of. I consider myself...borderline Democrat but I'm definitely not very far to the left. If he does become president, I honestly hope he can live up to his hype. I really do.

doni1212
May 7th, 2008, 06:15 PM
Sorry Doni I made a mistake. It wasn't 5 mil. it was 6.4 mil. :eek::eek:

:lol:

Dawn Marie
May 7th, 2008, 08:38 PM
Sorry Doni I made a mistake. It wasn't 5 mil. it was 6.4 mil. :eek::eek:
:eek::eek::sad::eek::sad:

Diesel
May 8th, 2008, 02:41 AM
Sorry Doni I made a mistake. It wasn't 5 mil. it was 6.4 mil. :eek::eek:

Why aren't her supporters supporting her campaign?

mykarma
May 8th, 2008, 04:15 AM
Why aren't her supporters supporting her campaign?
I think she spent a great deal of her money in N.C. because every time I turned around I was looking at one of her commercials. If it wasn't for Rush, she wouldn't have won Indiana. Anyhow, I just hope she finds a graceful exit and support the democratic nominee. One of the talking heads asked the panel what Hillary did wrong in her campaign and one said nothing, she just ran into Barack who was the change the people were looking for.

Someone said the election in Pa. was about the past, and N.C. is about the future.

samsung101
May 8th, 2008, 04:34 PM
Even with the very modest Rush Campaign Chaos effort, Hillary likely would have done well in Indiana.

It's his back yard, not hers politically. However, she should have won by at least 5% overall, and did not.



Switching parties for voting is nothing new for results like this, it has happened in California for decades,
in well orchrestrated plans.

Rush, not bad for a dead medium. Talk Radio, it's dead. That's what we were told over & over.


Now, of course, Rush says the better candidate did win, the one that can be taken apart better.
Just like Hillary did, too late and too little. Again, what if people in December and January had
heard more about Wright, Rezko, and Ayers and tax increases specifically? Oh well.........

Pureracket
May 8th, 2008, 04:52 PM
*pureracket beats samesong before she double posts*

doni1212
May 8th, 2008, 05:15 PM
Wow, this is a damn shame, :eek:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/08/clinton-touts-support-from-white-americans/#comments

Clinton touts support from 'white Americans'
Posted: 12:03 PM ET

Clinton campaigned in Washington Thursday.

(CNN) — In what appear to be the New York senator's most blunt comments to date regarding a racial division in the Democratic presidential race, Hillary Clinton suggested Wednesday that "White Americans" are increasingly turning away from Barack Obama’s candidacy.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," Clinton said in an interview with USA TODAY.

Clinton cited an Associated Press poll "that found how Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

Exit polls from Tuesday's primaries in Indiana and North Carolina show Clinton won about 60 percent of the white vote in both states. That percentage is down from the Ohio primary on March 4, in which Clinton won upwards of 65 percent of the white vote. Meanwhile, Clinton garnered 63 percent of the white vote in Pennsylvania on April 22.

Speaking with the paper, Clinton rejected the notion her comments were racially divisive in any way.

"These are the people you have to win if you're a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election," she said. "Everybody knows that."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton called Clinton's statements "not true and frankly disappointing."

Donny
May 8th, 2008, 05:52 PM
Even with the very modest Rush Campaign Chaos effort, Hillary likely would have done well in Indiana.

It's his back yard, not hers politically. However, she should have won by at least 5% overall, and did not.



Switching parties for voting is nothing new for results like this, it has happened in California for decades,
in well orchrestrated plans.

Rush, not bad for a dead medium. Talk Radio, it's dead. That's what we were told over & over.


Now, of course, Rush says the better candidate did win, the one that can be taken apart better.
Just like Hillary did, too late and too little. Again, what if people in December and January had
heard more about Wright, Rezko, and Ayers and tax increases specifically? Oh well.........

Samsung, the american people aren't stupid. Well, not *that* stupid. They aren't going to fall for Rovian distractions this time.

Say it with me: War in Iraq >>> what Obama Reverend said. Economy >>> Ayers. That's why the GOP is scared shitless.

mykarma
May 8th, 2008, 07:38 PM
*pureracket beats samesong before she double posts*
:lol::lol::lol:

doni1212
May 8th, 2008, 08:08 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/10184
Obama plans to declare victory May 20
David Paul Kuhn
Thu May 8, 5:55 AM ET
Not long after the polls close in the May 20 Kentucky and Oregon primaries, Barack Obama plans to declare victory in his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

And, until at least May 31 and perhaps longer, Hillary Clinton's campaign plans to dispute it.

It's a train wreck waiting to happen, with one candidate claiming to be the nominee while the other vigorously denies it, all predicated on an argument over what exactly constitutes the finish line of the primary race.

The Obama campaign agrees with the Democratic National Committee, which pegs a winning majority at 2,025 pledged delegates and superdelegates--a figure that excludes the penalized Florida and Michigan delegations. The Clinton campaign, on the other hand, insists the winner will need 2,209 to cinch the nomination--a tally that includes Florida and Michigan.

"We don't accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan," said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton's two chief strategists. "It's a phony number."

Wolfson said they intend to contest the DNC's 2,025 number "every day," as well as any declaration of victory made by Obama based upon that number, because it does not include Florida and Michigan.

In January, Clinton won both states by wide margins when Obama did not actively contest them. The two states were stripped of their delegates for holding early primaries not sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee.

Obama will not reach the 2,025 magic number on May 20. Rather, on that date he is all but certain to hit a different threshold--1,627 pledged delegates, which would constitute a winning majority among the 3,253 total pledged delegates if Florida and Michigan are not included.

"On May 20 we're going to declare victory," said an Obama senior advisor who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, adding that after those contests they will be "the ones with the most pledged delegates and the most popular votes."

While the nature of that declaration of victory is "still developing," in the advisor's words, the Obama campaign contends that the winner of a majority of pledged delegates should be the party nominee.

"Senator Obama, our campaign and our supporters believe pledged delegates is the most legitimate metric for determining how this race has unfolded," wrote Obama campaign manager David Plouffe Wednesday in a memo to superdelegates. "It is simply the ratification of the DNC rules - your rules - which we built this campaign and our strategy around."

But the Clinton campaign's insistence on counting Florida and Michigan would alter not only the overall delegate math, but the pledged delegate math as well. Because if the two states are included in the count, the total number of pledged delegates would rise from 3,253 to 3,566--which means the magic number for a majority rises to 1,784, not 1,627 as the Obama campaign asserts.

By hewing to that interpretation, the Clinton campaign would thus be able to raise doubts about a May 20 declaration of victory by Obama.

Since the earliest possible resolution of the Florida/Michigan dispute is May 31, when the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet in Washington to address petitions from Michigan and Florida DNC members, the 11-day period between the May 20 primaries and the RBC meeting could produce a chaotic stretch where Obama claims to be the party nominee while Clinton argues otherwise.

Already, the two campaigns are gearing up for the battle.

"With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days," wrote Plouffe in his memo. "While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers, and donors."

"You can declare mission accomplished but that doesn't mean that the mission has actually been accomplished," Wolfson said.

Avi Zenilman contributed to this report

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mykarma
May 8th, 2008, 08:20 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/10184
Obama plans to declare victory May 20
David Paul Kuhn
Thu May 8, 5:55 AM ET
Not long after the polls close in the May 20 Kentucky and Oregon primaries, Barack Obama plans to declare victory in his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

And, until at least May 31 and perhaps longer, Hillary Clinton's campaign plans to dispute it.

It's a train wreck waiting to happen, with one candidate claiming to be the nominee while the other vigorously denies it, all predicated on an argument over what exactly constitutes the finish line of the primary race.

The Obama campaign agrees with the Democratic National Committee, which pegs a winning majority at 2,025 pledged delegates and superdelegates--a figure that excludes the penalized Florida and Michigan delegations. The Clinton campaign, on the other hand, insists the winner will need 2,209 to cinch the nomination--a tally that includes Florida and Michigan.

"We don't accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan," said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton's two chief strategists. "It's a phony number."

Wolfson said they intend to contest the DNC's 2,025 number "every day," as well as any declaration of victory made by Obama based upon that number, because it does not include Florida and Michigan.

In January, Clinton won both states by wide margins when Obama did not actively contest them. The two states were stripped of their delegates for holding early primaries not sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee.

Obama will not reach the 2,025 magic number on May 20. Rather, on that date he is all but certain to hit a different threshold--1,627 pledged delegates, which would constitute a winning majority among the 3,253 total pledged delegates if Florida and Michigan are not included.

"On May 20 we're going to declare victory," said an Obama senior advisor who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, adding that after those contests they will be "the ones with the most pledged delegates and the most popular votes."

While the nature of that declaration of victory is "still developing," in the advisor's words, the Obama campaign contends that the winner of a majority of pledged delegates should be the party nominee.

"Senator Obama, our campaign and our supporters believe pledged delegates is the most legitimate metric for determining how this race has unfolded," wrote Obama campaign manager David Plouffe Wednesday in a memo to superdelegates. "It is simply the ratification of the DNC rules - your rules - which we built this campaign and our strategy around."

But the Clinton campaign's insistence on counting Florida and Michigan would alter not only the overall delegate math, but the pledged delegate math as well. Because if the two states are included in the count, the total number of pledged delegates would rise from 3,253 to 3,566--which means the magic number for a majority rises to 1,784, not 1,627 as the Obama campaign asserts.

By hewing to that interpretation, the Clinton campaign would thus be able to raise doubts about a May 20 declaration of victory by Obama.

Since the earliest possible resolution of the Florida/Michigan dispute is May 31, when the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet in Washington to address petitions from Michigan and Florida DNC members, the 11-day period between the May 20 primaries and the RBC meeting could produce a chaotic stretch where Obama claims to be the party nominee while Clinton argues otherwise.

Already, the two campaigns are gearing up for the battle.

"With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days," wrote Plouffe in his memo. "While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers, and donors."

"You can declare mission accomplished but that doesn't mean that the mission has actually been accomplished," Wolfson said.

Avi Zenilman contributed to this report

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Is this a joke that I missed because I don't believe that. What is so special about May 20th and until I hear Barack say it I'm not going to believe it. How can he declare that he's the winner without Hillary pulling out, or he's reached that magic number. Why wouldn't Barack wait until May 31 when the DNC would have made a decision about Fl. and Mi., it doesn't make any sense.