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Direwolf
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:14 PM
:confused:

Pureracket
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:18 PM
I'll ask my dad this weekend when we go to Victoria's Secret together.

Direwolf
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:19 PM
Cuz i have a sister who has 4 kids..
and is now living with a woman who just gave birth..

I have another sister who had a relationship when she was young..
and now living with a guy and they have 3 kids...

and...
im bi(i think)

Direwolf
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:21 PM
I'll ask my dad this weekend when we go to Victoria's Secret together.

so..
your dad is/was a guy loving guy??

thats cool..

mirzalover
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:29 PM
You know whats funny? I didnt find out until last week that my dad fooled around with a guy before he met my mom but I dont really think that played a role in me being bi. Who knows though.

Destiny
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:29 PM
:tape: No really my parents seem to think that too. They think it's in the genes and goes through the generation. I don't know what i think!!!

Yasmine
Apr 23rd, 2008, 07:33 PM
Well there is no absolute evidence that there is some genetic disposition to being gay, although I personally think there might be. If there was to be, yes heredity would come in the equation.

miffedmax
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:13 PM
Well, one of the old cases for it NOT being genetic was that it would breed itself out of the gene pool. Of course, I think anybody who knows anything about biology and societal pressures can see the problems with that argument.

There does seem to be a considerable amount of evidence that orientation is largely shaped by biology, but I don't know if it's been tied to a genetic cause. Some have argued that exposure to the mother's hormones during pregnancy might be the key factor.

I've heard studies citing differences in brain structure, hormone levels and even finger length between gays and straights, but I don't know how many of them are legit, how often results have been duplicated, etc. But given what I've read, observed from having a gay brother and from talking with gay friends, it's got a huge biological basis, genetic or otherwise.

*Jool*
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:15 PM
how ironical ...

Helen Lawson
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:18 PM
No. It's well-known that guys end up gay because they had absentee fathers and domineering mothers who emasuculated them. Women only go gay after they've been burned and hurt by men, so they turn to women.

miffedmax
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:20 PM
Now, now Helen, we both know that letting dames wear trousers, play sports and work outside the home turns 'em into raving rugmunchers, too.

Destiny
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:21 PM
^^^^Is it??

Helen Lawson
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:23 PM
Now, now Helen, we both know that letting dames wear trousers, play sports and work outside the home turns 'em into raving rugmunchers, too.

Exactly!! That line from the soap opera in Tootsie where the guy says to Dustin Hoffman's female character, "you can't be a man, so you just act like one."

abercrombieguy23
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:33 PM
I dont konw I am so confused....

no one in any of my immediate families is anything close to being gay...and I'm being accurate because I have really good gaydar

but like my friend has two brothers and all the boys are gay....

Apoleb
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:40 PM
It probably has a genetical component, but most likely it's a mixture of factors and I think it depends a lot on the person. There's a definitely a strong psychological basis in sexual orientation, cause studies have shown that abuse will translate into a higher chance of turning homosexual.

égalité
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:41 PM
You know whats funny? I didnt find out until last week that my dad fooled around with a guy before he met my mom but I dont really think that played a role in me being bi. Who knows though.

Oh my God, my dad told me the same story when I came out :death:

But no, I don't think it's necessarily hereditary. I think it's biological.

Kart
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:43 PM
Does it matter ?

homogenius
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:45 PM
Does it matter ?

no :)

Matt01
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:50 PM
Does it matter ?


To people who are interested in biological topics: Yes.
To most (gay) people: Probably not.

Helen Lawson
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:52 PM
Does it matter ?

It mattered to me!! When Jess walked out on me and the twins, I sent them to an all-boys military school so they didn't end up a couple of fruits. These Oscar-winning genes need to make it into the next generation after all!

abercrombieguy23
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:55 PM
Does it matter ?

I think so...

I like learning the "why" of many things


someone post a study or something

homogenius
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:59 PM
I think so...

I like learning the "why" of many things


someone post a study or something

I think there isn't sufficient proof for a genetic determination yet(but I may be wrong).

Off topic : but thanks for the username thing :cool:

Kart
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:00 PM
To people who are interested in biological topics: Yes.
To most (gay) people: Probably not.
Which is why I asked the question - this is not exactly psychologistworld.com. Though I suppose it could be referred to as psychoworld.com :tape:.
It mattered to me!! When Jess walked out on me and the twins, I sent them to an all-boys military school so they didn't end up a couple of fruits. These Oscar-winning genes need to make it into the next generation after all!
Sweetheart, do you really think that was the best move ? Hormonal boys + strict rules = 'experiementation.' That's not even taking into account the initiations from the seniors !

All military school would do is teach them to be freaky neat, obsessively tidy and make their beds - like most gay men.

kwilliams
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:07 PM
I think it's genetic. I just don't see how it's behavioural as it occurs in the vast majority of species on the planet of varying social sophistication.

Nemo_Kool
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:07 PM
Well, one of the old cases for it NOT being genetic was that it would breed itself out of the gene pool. Of course, I think anybody who knows anything about biology and societal pressures can see the problems with that argument.

There does seem to be a considerable amount of evidence that orientation is largely shaped by biology, but I don't know if it's been tied to a genetic cause. Some have argued that exposure to the mother's hormones during pregnancy might be the key factor.

I've heard studies citing differences in brain structure, hormone levels and even finger length between gays and straights, but I don't know how many of them are legit, how often results have been duplicated, etc. But given what I've read, observed from having a gay brother and from talking with gay friends, it's got a huge biological basis, genetic or otherwise.
I study anthropology and well while im terrible at the subject there was atopic on homosexuality and research had shown strong correlation between homosexual boys and a hormone released (of which the name i have forgotten haha) Social factors are lack of father figures, more older brothers and apparently homosexuals tend to be more intelligent!!!

Kart
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:10 PM
someone post a study or something
Here you go mate:

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=284607

I read the LeVay study when I was at university but a lot of people feel the methodology was flawed from what I remember. No comment about the sheep one.

Helen Lawson
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:31 PM
Which is why I asked the question - this is not exactly psychologistworld.com. Though I suppose it could be referred to as psychoworld.com :tape:.

Sweetheart, do you really think that was the best move ? Hormonal boys + strict rules = 'experiementation.' That's not even taking into account the initiations from the seniors !

All military school would do is teach them to be freaky neat, obsessively tidy and make their beds - like most gay men.

That's only in porno movies, hon! The ones I sent them to made them "real" men, not a couple of fairies.

Kart
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:37 PM
That's only in porno movies, hon! The ones I sent them to made them "real" men, not a couple of fairies.
Trust me Hel it's not ! Those kind of institutions promote homophobia and just make guys better at hiding it or being in denial. I hear it's more a boarding school prison type of thing.

That said, I'm sure the twins are straight ... though if they are shouldn't you be a grandmother by now ? ;) :p

Helen Lawson
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:45 PM
Trust me Hel it's not ! Those kind of institutions promote homophobia and just make guys better at hiding it or being in denial. I hear it's more a boarding school prison type of thing.

That said, I'm sure the twins are straight ... though if they are shouldn't you be a grandmother by now ? ;) :p


Even if they go gay now, it's ok because they've both had heaps of kids and they've had kids so hopefully they're be another redheaded superstar chanteuse/tragienne in a few generations to make me proud!

Helen Lawson
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:46 PM
Trust me Hel it's not ! Those kind of institutions promote homophobia and just make guys better at hiding it or being in denial. I hear it's more a boarding school prison type of thing.

That said, I'm sure the twins are straight ... though if they are shouldn't you be a grandmother by now ? ;) :p

What's wrong with hiding it and being in denial?? It worked great in old Hollywood for the guys and the gals!

mirzalover
Apr 23rd, 2008, 10:50 PM
I study anthropology and well while im terrible at the subject there was atopic on homosexuality and research had shown strong correlation between homosexual boys and a hormone released (of which the name i have forgotten haha) Social factors are lack of father figures, more older brothers and apparently homosexuals tend to be more intelligent!!!

Yeah I saw a study where they tested homosexuals and straight.Gays and lesbians average score was above that of the straights it was a difference of something like.

Gays 4.8
Lesbians 4.7
Straight Male 4.4
Straight female 4.5


But I cant remember exactly.

mirzalover
Apr 23rd, 2008, 11:02 PM
I gotta a gay great great grandma, a bi dad now!, a bi cousin, and my grandpa's brother is gay rather he will say he is or not.

homogenius
Apr 23rd, 2008, 11:08 PM
I gotta a gay great great grandma, a bi dad now!, a bi cousin, and my grandpa's brother is gay rather he will say he is or not.

How did you know for your great great grandma and your grandpa's brother ?You just asked to some members of your family ?I know that my grandma and grandpa would never admit their mother or father was gay/lesbian.They talked about a great uncle or something like that (my grandpa had great memories with him, he told me some funny stories once I got him some drinks)but that's it.

No Name Face
Apr 23rd, 2008, 11:15 PM
i think it's mostly genetic with splices of environmental factors

mirzalover
Apr 23rd, 2008, 11:20 PM
How did you know for your great great grandma and your grandpa's brother ?You just asked to some members of your family ?I know that my grandma and grandpa would never admit their mother or father was gay/lesbian.They talked about a great uncle or something like that (my grandpa had great memories with him, he told me some funny stories once I got him some drinks)but that's it.

My great great grandma was gay from what my great grandma told me when she was alive. She got married because its was like god knows how long ago so it was the thing to do thats how she had my great grandma. My grandma told me about my dad, and while she was telling me that my aunt who was in the room at the time brought up my cousin and how they found out she was bi threw a letter she left in her pocket from school. My grandpa brother is married but he acts like Little Richard litte brother and I along with some others think he is a little sweet if you know what I mean. Its all little weird to me because I only knew about my great great grandma before I came out I was bi, once I did next thing you know every generation on my dad side seems to have atleast one bi/gay person.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 12:06 AM
My great great grandma was gay from what my great grandma told me when she was alive. She got married because its was like god knows how long ago so it was the thing to do thats how she had my great grandma. My grandma told me about my dad, and while she was telling me that my aunt who was in the room at the time brought up my cousin and how they found out she was bi threw a letter she left in her pocket from school. My grandpa brother is married but he acts like Little Richard litte brother and I along with some others think he is a little sweet if you know what I mean. Its all little weird to me because I only knew about my great great grandma before I came out I was bi, once I did next thing you know every generation on my dad side seems to have atleast one bi/gay person.

Basically your whole family is gay.lol.
Seriously, at least your family is open-minded enough to talk about that (even the older members).It's not that frequent so I think it's great.
Don't you feel it's easier for you to know that other members of your family are gay/bi/lesbian ? It seems that it's more disturbing than helpfull (or I misunderstood).

On the topic, it would be a strong case for the hereditary theory but who knows really.
Most of the gays I know haven't others gay or bi in their family (most probably they have some but they are closeted)and the only example I know it's a lesbian friend with a gay brother (and she decided to not tell her mother because it would be too much for her).

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 12:10 AM
Basically your whole family is gay.lol.
Seriously, at least your family is open-minded enough to talk about that (even the older members).It's not that frequent so I think it's great.
Don't you feel it's easier for you to know that other members of your family are gay/bi/lesbian ? It seems that it's more disturbing than helpfull (or I misunderstood).

On the topic, it would be a strong case for the hereditary theory but who knows really.
Most of the gays I know haven't others gay or bi in their family (most probably they have some but they are closeted)and the only example I know it's a lesbian friend with a gay brother (and she decided to not tell her mother because it would be too much for her).

Well it wasnt easy at first since I only knew about my great great grandma, and I told my family awile back and I didnt find out about my dad and cousin until last week. Thats maybe 2 weeks after I told them I was bi, maybe longer.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 12:16 AM
Well it wasnt easy at first since I only knew about my great great grandma, and I told my family awile back and I didnt find out about my dad and cousin until last week. Thats maybe 2 weeks after I told them I was bi, maybe longer.

Well it's indeed a lot of info in a short time so I understand that it must be quite strange, especially about your dad.How did they react when you said that you were bi (if it's too personnal don't feel obliged to answer) ?

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 12:34 AM
Well it's indeed a lot of info in a short time so I understand that it must be quite strange, especially about your dad.How did they react when you said that you were bi (if it's too personnal don't feel obliged to answer) ?

I think they sorta knew I was atleast Bi, I did some very homo thigns growing up. My mom doesnt care as long as she gets a grand kid thats all she wants. My dad who I thought would flip out didnt really and now knowing what I do it makes since.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 12:53 AM
I think they sorta knew I was atleast Bi, I did some very homo thigns growing up. My mom doesnt care as long as she gets a grand kid thats all she wants. My dad who I thought would flip out didnt really and now knowing what I do it makes since.

They seem pretty cool with that overall.It seems a bit easier for the parents to accept a bi child than if you say "I'm gay" or "I'm lesbian".Maybe it's the grand kids thing, idk.
Personally it was quite easy because my mother doesn't even care about grand kids :tape: (and I have brothers).

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 01:00 AM
They seem pretty cool with that overall.It seems a bit easier for the parents to accept a bi child than if you say "I'm gay" or "I'm lesbian".Maybe it's the grand kids thing, idk.
Personally it was quite easy because my mother doesn't even care about grand kids :tape: (and I have brothers).


Yeah I think its the grand kids to. I'm the only Thompson left in my family so I hope if I do have a kid it a boy.:lol: I want kids anyway, 2 girls and 2 boys. The gay side of me already has the name for my kids. Victoria, Nicolette, Blake, and Jalen.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 01:12 AM
Yeah I think its the grand kids to. I'm the only Thompson left in my family so I hope if I do have a kid it a boy.:lol: I want kids anyway, 2 girls and 2 boys. The gay side of me already has the name for my kids. Victoria, Nicolette, Blake, and Jalen.


lol.If you have kids with a girl, you will stop sex with men ? Do you already think about all that or is this too abstract for the moment?
Nicolette like the "desperate housewife" ?
Jalen sounds good.

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 01:20 AM
lol.If you have kids with a girl, you will stop sex with men ? Do you already think about all that or is this too abstract for the moment?
Nicolette like the "desperate housewife" ?
Jalen sounds good.

No unless I'm in a relationship with her or I'm married to her. I just know I gotta let the girl know from the start, I might leave you for a dude. I think about all of this stuff, I think about my life in the future about everything, where I'm gonna live, the type of job, car, if I'm gonna grow a beard, everything lol.

Yeah Nicolette :hearts: love that name.

Its sad that I have some many names for my kids. I got back up names and everything.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 01:38 AM
I think being honest from the start (in any kind of relationship) is the better way (but I talk only from my personal experience).
I see that you're a well organized guy.lol.
Except your family, did you tell it to others persons like your friends ?

Nicolás89
Apr 24th, 2008, 01:44 AM
I don't think so, my dad is happily married with two sons.

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 01:49 AM
I think being honest from the start (in any kind of relationship) is the better way (but I talk only from my personal experience).
I see that you're a well organized guy.lol.
Except your family, did you tell it to others persons like your friends ?

I told the ones who I thought could handle it:lol:. I actually have some more people to tell over summer break.

No Name Face
Apr 24th, 2008, 01:54 AM
I told the ones who I thought could handle it:lol:. I actually have some more people to tell over summer break.

I don't know why but I think you're full of shit.
I could be wrong and I really hope I am, but I just don't buy a lot of what you say, especially the "basically my whole family is gay" thing

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 01:59 AM
I don't know why but I think you're full of shit.
I could be wrong and I really hope I am, but I just don't buy a lot of what you say, especially the "basically my whole family is gay" thing

Its ok atleast your actually thinking instead of being like some people who just believe anything. I dont really know why I would lie about my dad or grandpa's brother(I said many of us think not he came out) and is it weird to have 2 cousin who are bi? Its not the whole family its what 4/5 people out of a big ass family.:shrug:

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:03 AM
This thread is so derailed :haha:

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:07 AM
This thread is so derailed :haha:

Not its not he was just giving his opinion.

No Name Face
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:09 AM
Its ok atleast your actually thinking instead of some people who just believe anything. I dont really know why I would lie about my dad or grandpa brother(I said many of us think not he came out) and is it wierd to have 2 cousin who are bi?

Why you would lie? Attention. Gives credence to you being bi. Why does anyone lie about anything online? You could be telling the truth, but I don't buy it based on what I've gathered homosexuality to be.

For what it's worth I'm glad you didn't take offense to it. I didn't mean it to cause offense -- I'm just kind of a blunt asshole sometimes. :) Based on what I know in my psych classes, one out of every ten men are gay. So unless there is a gay gene and it's been passed down from generation to generation, it just seems highly unlikely. But then again, that's based on the supposition that one out of ten men are gay.

Honestly, I think what makes people 'genetically' gay is the mother's prenatal hormone makeup. It explains why one kid out of three could be gay for instance...or why twins often end up with the same sexual preferences...(i know this is the case of fraternal twins - both gay, though one denied for a really long time)...

Also, men can have feminine tendencies and be straight and some are masculine and totally gay. So it's kinda hard to say who's gay and who is not unless they have gay porn or are caught doing something with a member of the same sex.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:11 AM
Not its not he was just giving his opinion.

He didn't developped much though.
Anyway, we're are from "is homosexuality an heriditary thing ?" , that's just what I meant to say.lol.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:11 AM
oops I talked too quickly...

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:13 AM
Why you would lie? Attention. Gives credence to you being bi. Why does anyone lie about anything online? You could be telling the truth, but I don't buy it based on what I've gathered homosexuality to be.

For what it's worth I'm glad you didn't take offense to it. I didn't mean it to cause offense -- I'm just kind of a blunt asshole sometimes. :) Based on what I know in my psych classes, one out of every ten men are gay. So unless there is a gay gene and it's been passed down from generation to generation, it just seems highly unlikely. But then again, that's based on the supposition that one out of ten men are gay.

Honestly, I think what makes people 'genetically' gay is the mother's prenatal hormone makeup. It explains why one kid out of three could be gay for instance...or why twins often end up with the same sexual preferences...(i know this is the case of fraternal twins - both gay, though one denied for a really long time)...

Also, men can have feminine tendencies and be straight and some are masculine and totally gay. So it's kinda hard to say who's gay and who is not unless they have gay porn or are caught doing something with a member of the same sex.

I'm bi cause II was born that way I dont really care if someone wants to believe something else.

I actually agree with pretty much everything you said.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:21 AM
Why does anyone lie about anything online?

It's all the charm.You never know if things are true or not.Personally I don't think it's that important anyway.

Apoleb
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:23 AM
For what it's worth I'm glad you didn't take offense to it. I didn't mean it to cause offense -- I'm just kind of a blunt asshole sometimes. :) Based on what I know in my psych classes, one out of every ten men are gay. So unless there is a gay gene and it's been passed down from generation to generation, it just seems highly unlikely. But then again, that's based on the supposition that one out of ten men are gay.

:rolleyes: You realize that statistical probabilities are not necessarily reflected in small samples? Plus, he said 4/5 in a big ass family, which will probably end up being somewhat close to 10%.

Honestly, I think what makes people 'genetically' gay is the mother's prenatal hormone makeup.

uh? That doesn't make people "genetically" gay. I guess you meant "biologically gay." Prenatal hormones don't change someone's genes.

That's more bullshit in one post than his supposed bullshit in the whole thread. And yes, I guess I tend to be a "blunt asshole" sometimes too.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:26 AM
:rolleyes: You realize that statistical probabilities are not necessarily reflected in small samples? Plus, he said 4/5 in a big ass family, which will probably end up being somewhat close to 10%.



It's true.Actually I was the one joking about his "whole gay family" but it's not that many people at the end.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:39 AM
I'm bi cause II was born that way I dont really care if someone wants to believe something else.



You always had fantasies about both girls and boys or did you discover that lately ?

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:41 AM
You always had fantasies about both girls and boys or did you discover that lately ?

As far back as I can remember I have thought about both.

austennis
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:42 AM
i think its something biological cause its not a choice u make.. the choice is whether u live by ur desires not the desires themselves

Apoleb
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:45 AM
i think its something biological cause its not a choice u make.. the choice is whether u live by ur desires not the desires themselves

It doesn't have to be "biological" for it not to be a choice. I put biological in quotes, because everything about living beings is biological in some ways. Point is, it can be caused by psychological factors during childhood or whatever, and still not to be a choice.

kittyking
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:47 AM
i think its something biological cause its not a choice u make.. the choice is whether u live by ur desires not the desires themselves

I agree with you, I think its certainly something in your genes in the same way that your ethnicity develops. It doesn't matter if you like being a particular race, you can either accept it or spend your life denying it. It's alot easier to come out than deny it for your entire life, although that doesn't mean that you have to tell the whole world about it either.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:47 AM
As far back as I can remember I have thought about both.

So for you it has nothing to do with education, environment ?It's a genetic or biological origin ?

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:49 AM
It doesn't have to be "biological" for it not to be a choice. I put biological in quotes, because everything about living beings is biological in some ways. Point is, it can be caused by psychological factors during childhood or whatever, and still not to be a choice.

It's what I was thinking.Based on psychological theories, it's not considered as choice either (or at least not a conscient one).

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:51 AM
So for you it has nothing to do with education, environment ?It's a genetic or biological origin ?

Well I was always real super close to my mom growing up so people try to use that but I really disagree with that. I know straight guys who only had their mom and are just as close to their mom as I am with mine.

kittyking
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:58 AM
Well I was always real super close to my mom growing up so people try to use that but I really disagree with that. I know straight guys who only had their mom and are just as close to their mom as I am with mine.

And it goes both ways as well

Ever since my mother found out that I was attracted to guys my mother felt to a large degree dissapointed in me. At least from what I've heard she wants the Radford line to continue on, but as I only have a sister and three female cousins I would have to have children someday for this to continue on. I'm bisexual, most you here know that but I know that I would never have kids with someone purely because thats what mother said, infact that sort of pressure makes me less likely to have kids. I'm not close to my mother, and I know plenty of other gays, bi's and even a few asexuals who are in a similar situation.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 03:12 AM
Well I was always real super close to my mom growing up so people try to use that but I really disagree with that. I know straight guys who only had their mom and are just as close to their mom as I am with mine.

For most of what I read here, most gays/bi (not talking about you specifically) would prefer a genetic determination and not that to considered as a choice.As a poster said earlier I can understand the "that would close some mouths etc..." reason and that it's easier to assume with the family/society but personally I don't care.Each difference with the "normality" had to be assumed at the end (sexual preference or other difference) and for me the origin doesn't matter.I studied psycho, but I never care enough about this question to analize why I have the sexuality I have.I understand it's different for each person though.

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 03:14 AM
For most of what I read here, most gays/bi (not talking about you specifically) would prefer a genetic determination and not that to considered as a choice.As a poster said earlier I can understand the "that would close some mouths etc..." reason and that it's easier to assume with the family/society but personally I don't care.Each difference with the "normality" had to be assumed at the end (sexual preference or other difference) and for me the origin doesn't matter.I study psycho, but I never care enough about this question to analize why I have the sexuality I have.I understand it's different for each person though.

I'm a psychology major!

Apoleb
Apr 24th, 2008, 03:28 AM
For most of what I read here, most gays/bi (not talking about you specifically) would prefer a genetic determination and not that to considered as a choice.As a poster said earlier I can understand the "that would close some mouths etc..." reason and that it's easier to assume with the family/society but personally I don't care.Each difference with the "normality" had to be assumed at the end (sexual preference or other difference) and for me the origin doesn't matter.I study psycho, but I never care enough about this question to analize why I have the sexuality I have.I understand it's different for each person though.

Great post, and I completely agree. What's ultimately at stake for me is sexual freedom. I don't care whether it's a choice or not, biological or psychological, people should be free to have sex with who they want; ofcourse within the bounds of certain ethical standards (a consensual relationship, free from abuse - psychological or physical).

Having said that, I do think it's somewhat inevitable that the issue will be important for gay people, mainly because of internalized homophobia. Homosexuality is still not looked on with the same perspective as heterosexuality, so it's better for gay people's confidence if they assume that they had no role in becoming homosexual.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 03:56 AM
Great post, and I completely agree. What's ultimately at stake for me is sexual freedom. I don't care whether it's a choice or not, biological or psychological, people should be free to have sex with who they want; ofcourse within the bounds of certain ethical standards (a consensual relationship, free from abuse - psychological or physical).

Having said that, I do think it's somewhat inevitable that the issue will be important for gay people, mainly because of internalized homophobia. Homosexuality is still not looked on with the same perspective as heterosexuality, so it's better for gay people's confidence if they assume that they had no role in becoming homosexual.

For the first, I couldn't have said it better.

For the rest : I can't disagree with all that and of course I understand the persons who will prefer to deal whith their sexual preferences that way.Still, personally I think that someone is stronger if he assumes who he is and his acts no matter what.For me thinking the other way is like saying "it's not my fault" and for me there is no fault to begin with.I strongly believe that people REAL confidence would be better if they assumed who they are totally instead of trying some justification of something that doesn't need to be justifiate.
Once again it's a personal opinion and I don't want to offense anyone here.

(and I'm very tired so sorry if my English is less and less...English with each of my posts).

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 04:28 AM
I'm a psychology major!

You're still studying or you have finished it ?

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 04:34 AM
You're still studying or you have finished it ?

I'm still studying it. I'm a psychology and Communications major. I'm about to finish my first year of college.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 04:45 AM
I'm still studying it. I'm a psychology and Communications major. I'm about to finish my first year of college.

So how many years are needed to get the degree (sp?) ?

Apoleb
Apr 24th, 2008, 04:47 AM
For the rest : I can't disagree with all that and of course I understand the persons who will prefer to deal whith their sexual preferences that way.Still, personally I think that someone is stronger if he assumes who he is and his acts no matter what.For me thinking the other way is like saying "it's not my fault" and for me there is no fault to begin with.I strongly believe that people REAL confidence would be better if they assumed who they are totally instead of trying some justification of something that doesn't need to be justifiate.
Once again it's a personal opinion and I don't want to offense anyone here.

Yep, I agree. I just think it's hard to get over this way of thinking because of all the internalized homophobia.

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 04:49 AM
Psychology 4 years, and Communications 4 years. I might go to grad school also sooooo. I'm gonna be in school for a good bit. 7-8 years total depending on how things go.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 04:53 AM
Psychology 4 years, and Communications 4 years. I might go to grad school also sooooo. I'm gonna be in school for a good bit. 7-8 years total depending on how things go.

Well good luck with that.lol.

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 04:54 AM
Yep, I agree. I just think it's hard to get over this way of thinking because of all the internalized homophobia.

I know.A long way to go still...

mirzalover
Apr 24th, 2008, 04:55 AM
Well good luck with that.lol.

I probably wont go to Grad School and just stick with 4-5 years of schooling. :lol:

homogenius
Apr 24th, 2008, 05:15 AM
I probably wont go to Grad School and just stick with 4-5 years of schooling. :lol:


I'm off.Really too tired.Bye.

Optima
Apr 24th, 2008, 05:59 AM
I think it's more molecular than genetic.

Brett.
Apr 24th, 2008, 07:03 AM
No, i don't think so. I believe being homosexual is not a choice because i can feel it.

Kart
Apr 24th, 2008, 06:25 PM
What's wrong with hiding it and being in denial?? It worked great in old Hollywood for the guys and the gals!
It's fine as long as they don't get married and then decide later on that they actually want to be out and proud and split up their families.

Or they kill themselves because they can't reconcile / regret their decisions.

Both are acceptable in Hollywood though I accept - that's all about drama !

Yasmine
Apr 24th, 2008, 07:52 PM
I think it's more molecular than genetic.
Well molecules are issued by genetics.