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tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 12:50 PM
Serena has now beaten Maria 4 years in a row. But whom do you see on all of the tennis commercials? And all over the media. "I feel pretty" etc. How many time does Serena have to beat her before she gets the star treatment? What do you think?:fiery:

blackcrave
Apr 19th, 2008, 12:52 PM
maybe because she defeated serana at wimbledon..

tennnisfannn
Apr 19th, 2008, 12:52 PM
In Australia Stosur is bigger than both of them combined, speak for your own country!!

Emina.
Apr 19th, 2008, 12:52 PM
lol..relax Serena is treated like a big star too ;):)

toasino
Apr 19th, 2008, 12:58 PM
maybe because she defeated serana at wimbledon..

Nonsense! It is because she is a pretty white blond who is the stereotype of the "All American 'Girl."

*W*
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:00 PM
lol..relax Serena is treated like a big star too ;):)


Serena is a DIVA* :)

kwilliams
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:00 PM
I don't think that she is. They earned the same amount of money last year and I would say they are about equal. Sharapova is still the new thing and is the only player in the late teens/early twenties demographic to have actually caused a stir in the game. Serena has been around a while so that is natural enough that she is taken for granted a little (at times). In terms of stardom I think they are about equal but stardom isn't really important because I think even the most lay of tennis fans knows that Serena is more accomplished and might name Serena as the better player.

Mina Vagante
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:00 PM
She's the 'all american' long legs, blonde hair type of girl. I guess the media have always liked that look.

Serena isn't far behind though :angel:

iamme
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:02 PM
Nonsense! It is because she is a pretty white blond who is the stereotype of the "All American 'Girl."

hahha..Americans need a russian for All American Girl :lol:

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:02 PM
lol..relax Serena is treated like a big star too ;):)

Who spokes person for the WTA? The question is how many times do you think she must beat her before she is a bigger media star. Or can this ever happen?

joão.
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:03 PM
Probably because of the looks. Maria is way more beautiful than Serena. :)

Mikey.
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:04 PM
In Australia Stosur is bigger than both of them combined, speak for your own country!!

Not really. I haven't rally heard anything about Stosur on the news ever. It's more all about Alicia if anything. But you'd hear more about Sharapova or Serena on the news than any Aussie. (becides Casey's recent breakthrough)


But yeah I guess it has to do with the time period we are in. Serena was obviously the big star back in the early 2000's because she was on top of the game. Since about 2004 she has faded in and out. Coming back to produce some magnificent tennis, but then getting injured and going missing for several months at a time. Since 2004 Maria has become the new star on the scene and has since collected many fans due to her extreme commercialisation. I'm sure when Serena stays healthy for a lengthy period of time, gets back on the top of tennis and in the public eye again she will begin to win back some of the super star action Maria has taken from her.

Wiggly
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:06 PM
Who spokes person for the WTA? The question is how many times do you think she must beat her before she is a bigger media star. Or can this ever happen?

She's already a media superstar.
You don'te become a media star because you beat Sharapova. :rolleyes:

Mina Vagante
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:06 PM
Probably because of the looks. Maria is way more beautiful than Serena. :)

*I think* at the start of the sentence please

It's your opinion ;)

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:06 PM
I don't think that she is. They earned the same amount of money last year and I would say they are about equal. Sharapova is still the new thing and is the only player in the late teens/early twenties demographic to have actually caused a stir in the game. Serena has been around a while so that is natural enough that she is taken for granted a little (at times). In terms of stardom I think they are about equal but stardom isn't really important because I think even the most lay of tennis fans knows that Serena is more accomplished and might name Serena as the better player.

Last year Maria was one of the highest paid in all of sports male or female $26 mil + Serena is not even close to that. It took Serena 5 years to make that amount.

Chunchun
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:07 PM
because she wants to Free Tibet, loves CNN and boycott Olympics? (just some random reasons)

Marco Fernandes
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:08 PM
Serena has now beaten Maria 4 years in a row. But whom do you see on all of the tennis commercials? And all over the media. "I feel pretty" etc. How many time does Serena have to beat her before she gets the star treatment? What do you think?:fiery:

Are you really talking serious ? :lol:

That head-to-head has nothing to do with tennis commercials... Maria is a great tennis player and is beautiful, has a nice body, etc...

Serena just is a great champion but then her image... :help:

So, Who do you think they would prefer? Serena ? :rolleyes:

Mina Vagante
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:10 PM
Are you really talking serious ? :lol:

That head-to-head has nothing to do with tennis commercials... Maria is a great tennis player and is beautiful, has a nice body, etc...

Serena just is a great champion but then her image... :help:

So, Who do you think they would prefer? Serena ? :rolleyes:

I would prefer Serena, she's so much more a divaaaa :worship:

Marco Fernandes
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:13 PM
Probably because of the looks. Maria is way more beautiful than Serena. :)

*I think* at the start of the sentence please

It's your opinion ;)

Hahaha :lol:

Really?

It's his opinion and everyone's who is not a Serena fan ... :help:

jfaithfully
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:14 PM
Every tennis player has there time come on now no denying Maria, is pretty, tall, got the body so yes she will naturally be the it girl Serena had her time as well. Ivanovic is also having her time. This is not a big deal, Serena should careless about that because it is her who started this you don't just have to be a tennis player well actually it was Kornikova but more so for her looks than her actual tennis. Now the girls taking it to some other leve by doing perfumes. Lets no forget the Maria is very marketable.

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:17 PM
Are you really talking serious ? :lol:

That head-to-head has nothing to do with tennis commercials... Maria is a great tennis player and is beautiful, has a nice body, etc...

Serena just is a great champion but then her image... :help:

So, Who do you think they would prefer? Serena ? :rolleyes:

First I think Serena is "beautiful, and has a nice body" What is or is not "beautiful" in the media is changing and should. The hip hop generation is changing all of that. Beyonce does not look like Maria and is doing fine. Serena is a marketable star. Not just a "Great champion"

lympyisthebest
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:18 PM
I think it's cos Sharapova is the "ideal American Beauty" with porcelain skin, long flowing blonde hair and bright green eyes. But that being said, Serena is still a huge star.

Olórin
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:19 PM
Are you really talking serious ? :lol:

That head-to-head has nothing to do with tennis commercials... Maria is a great tennis player and is beautiful, has a nice body, etc...

Serena just is a great champion but then her image... :help:

So, Who do you think they would prefer? Serena ? :rolleyes:

Serena just covered Cosmo and has done many modelling shoots during her career. I think her image is just fine. I wouldn't worry yourself about it ;)

Mina Vagante
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:19 PM
[QUOTE=ree-and-ross;12986376]

Hahaha :lol:

Really?

It's his opinion and everyone's who is not a Serena fan ... :help:

That just proves how stubborn- ther are plaenty of fans who think the same as me

Olórin
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:21 PM
Hahaha :lol:

Really?

It's his opinion and everyone's who is not a Serena fan ... :help:

Why do trolls like you only come out from your rocks like threads like these? Seriously you hardly post, just go back to sleep.

SV_Fan
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:24 PM
Actually Serena williams is very popular around the world. Serena in 2000 was worth 65 million dollars, and venus worth 100 million, in 2004 Serena signed a 50 million dollar contract with nike, Venus was still on her 40 million dollar contract. Sharapova uses her looks to eat. So Vee and Ree are worth way more than sharapova.

BuTtErFrEnA
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:24 PM
Last year Maria was one of the highest paid in all of sports male or female $26 mil + Serena is not even close to that. It took Serena 5 years to make that amount.

last year serena earned the same...

goldenlox
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Maria has a lot of sponsors who promote her. She did a Canon giveaway on Ellen right before Christmas.
She's on Letterman Monday. Tag Heuer is sponsoring her birthday party.

The sponsors, who invest millions in her, put her in the public's eye. Like the I Feel Pretty tv spots by Nike.

Slutiana
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:25 PM
Probably because of the looks. Maria is way more beautiful than Serena. :)

Speak for yourself.

Slutiana
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:27 PM
last year serena earned the same...
Exactly.

joão.
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:27 PM
*I think* at the start of the sentence please

It's your opinion ;)

Usually we see beautiful people on commercials, most of the times they are models. Following that concept, Maria looks more like a model than Serena. So she's the "beutiful" one for real stardom on commercials, ads, and stuff like that.
I'm not saying Serena is not beautiful, she may be, for her fans and for people who like, well, her style but in general, i think people find Maria more beautiful than Serena. :confused:

Dodoboy.
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:29 PM
Serena made close to Maria last year :shrug:

austennis
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:32 PM
cause maria is the young beautiful blonde and serena isnt naturally beautiful.. she can look lovely but dosnt have that same marketable beauty

Erika_Angel
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:33 PM
As shallow as it may be, if Serena looked like Gabriel Union/Halle Berry/Thandie Newton (insert
any other sexy black women here) she'd be much more endorsed than she is now.
Maria may not be the most attractive girl to some, but she is conventionally very beautiful which is why she gets so many endorsements. Anna Kournikova also got many because of her looks. She has decent results but so do many players who don't get the millions of dollars Anna did. Maria backs up her beauty with great results hence the extremely high pay offs.
Serena is attractive in her way, but to many she's just not as marketable. That's pretty much it.

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:33 PM
last year serena earned the same...

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Olórin
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:36 PM
Usually we see beautiful people on commercials, most of the times they are models. Following that concept, Maria looks more like a model than Serena. So she's the "beutiful" one for real stardom on commercials, ads, and stuff like that.
I'm not saying Serena is not beautiful, she may be, for her fans and for people who like, well, her style but in general, i think people find Maria more beautiful than Serena. :confused:

Exactly, you think. It's just your opinion and has no basis in fact.

I've seen Serena in just as many magazines and commercials as Sharapova. I think you need to have a think about this. There is no world-wide standard of beauty. Sharapova conforms to one particular stereotype. Serena's beauty of a different kind, less common, she's like an amazonian princess or something.

We like to see beautiful people, and beauty comes in many different shapes and sizes. Look at Naiomi Campbell and Kate Moss, they are both striking in different ways.

Maria and Serena are both beautiful, and if we got into a debate about who was more beautiful then we would have left the path of reason.

miffedmax
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:37 PM
There are a lot of factors, but I think one that's been overlooked here is that TOB doesn't have an incredibly talented, attractive, well-spoken, equally successful big sister splitting her potential fanbase.

Another is that TOB has stayed in the limelight and near the top of the rankings. Serena's tendency to disappear from the Top 10--however justifiable--make her a less solid investment. A sponsor wants to know their investment is getting lots of TV time and TOB plays a lot of tournaments.

And what about Justine? TOB and Serena both have more exposure than she does, and she's No.1.

Geisha
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:37 PM
Maria's the Mariah and Serena's the Madonna.

It is arguable who's music is better right now. Mariah's been killing it in recent years, but Madonna's been killing it in recent decades!

Mina Vagante
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:39 PM
Usually we see beautiful people on commercials, most of the times they are models. Following that concept, Maria looks more like a model than Serena. So she's the "beutiful" one for real stardom on commercials, ads, and stuff like that.
I'm not saying Serena is not beautiful, she may be, for her fans and for people who like, well, her style but in general, i think people find Maria more beautiful than Serena. :confused:

Thank you :)

I agree, I think in general people do find Maria more attractive because she has a more model look. But that doesn't mean Serena isn't. Adding 'I think' completly changes how it comes across :)

Olórin
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:40 PM
Serena is attractive in her way, but to many she's just not as marketable. That's pretty much it.

Then why does she get nearly as many sponsorship deals etc. if that statement is true?

Olórin
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:43 PM
Another is that TOB has stayed in the limelight and near the top of the rankings. Serena's tendency to disappear from the Top 10--however justifiable--make her a less solid investment. A sponsor wants to know their investment is getting lots of TV time and TOB plays a lot of tournaments.


I think that's important, because Maria has been the commercial face of tennis these last few years, but she has importantly been consistent backing this up with the big wins on the tennis court. In 2005/6 Serena was completely off the radar.

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:44 PM
cause maria is the young beautiful blonde and serena isnt naturally beautiful.. she can look lovely but dosnt have that same marketable beauty

Here is the real funny part "beautiful blonde" She is blonde from a box. This was not genetic, or some great accomplishment. A box you can get at any drug store. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Russianboy
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:46 PM
chill a little bit.

see it like this: serena and maria are both queens of tennis.
both on their own ways.

i have a feeling that some serena fans always bash maria cuz they think maria gets more attention.
back in like 2000 it were serena and venus who got ALL the attention. now it's also maria.
Just a feeling.

iamme
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:48 PM
can I ask why is Maria called TOB?:rolleyes:

anyway Maria IS blonde..isnt she?

rockstar
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:56 PM
in response to serena fans saying that it's only an opinion, well it's most people's opinion, they find maria more attractive than serena, hence she's more marketable.

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 01:57 PM
can I ask why is Maria called TOB?:rolleyes:

anyway Maria IS blonde..isnt she?

The roots don't lie.:lol: just look at the roots on a bad day. You can not have dark eyebrows and light colored hair.:lol:

Erika_Angel
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:03 PM
Then why does she get nearly as many sponsorship deals etc. if that statement is true?

Serena is marketed as an athlete, very rarely as a beauty. She sells things as 'Serena the Athlete'. Maria is marketed as not only an athlete but also as a beauty (sometimes only as a beauty) which broadens her advertisement range and allows for much higher endorsement deals.

I have no clue how many deals each girl has specifically, whether Serena gets nearly as many or not. From that 2007 money list however, Maria earned at least $9million (could be higher) more in endorsements than Serena. That doesn't seem like 'nearly' to me.

Tennisstar86
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:05 PM
Not even close. Here is SI. Fortunate 50 for 08


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By Jonah Freedman, SI.com

Is there any question what sport is the most popular on earth? Our International 20 of the top-earning non-American athletes is dominated by nine soccer players, all of whom benefit here from one of the worst exchange rates on the dollar in years. Many have also been helped by the deep pockets of Chelsea billionaire owner Roman Abramovich, who is a George Steinbrenner on a global scale. (To read more about the soccer explosion on the 20, click here.)

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1Fernando Alonso

Auto Racing
Spain
Last Year's Rank: 15$35,000,0002Ronaldinho

FC Barcelona (Soccer)
Brazil
Last Year's Rank: 3$32,700,0003Roger Federer

Tennis
Switzerland
Last Year's Rank: 7$31,343,8854Valentino Rossi

Motor Sports
Italy
Last Year's Rank: 2$30,000,0005David Beckham

Real Madrid/Los Angeles Galaxy (Soccer)
Great Britain
Last Year's Rank: 5$29,700,0006Yao Ming

Houston Rockets (NBA)
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Last Year's Rank: 13$27,455,0007Ichiro Suzuki

Seattle Mariners (MLB)
Japan
Last Year's Rank: NR$24,000,0008

Maria Sharapova

Tennis
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Chelsea (Soccer)
Germany
Last Year's Rank: NR$20,900,00011Ronaldo

AC Milan (Soccer)
Brazil
Last Year's Rank: 8$20,700,00012Hideki Matsui

New York Yankees (MLB)
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Germany
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Ukraine
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Dominican Republic
Last Year's Rank: NR$17,250,00017Vijay Singh

Pro Golf
Fiji
Last Year's Rank: 11$16,411,02618Alessandro Del Piero

Juventus (Soccer)
Italy
Last Year's Rank: NR$15,700,00019John Terry

Chelsea (Soccer)
Great Britain
Last Year's Rank: NR$15,500,00020Steven Gerrard

Liverpool (Soccer)
Great Britain
Last Year's Rank: NR$15,400,000

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You do realize these are estimates as they have no idea of actually knowing what Serena, Venus and Maria actually make. Thats why its always reportedly close to blah blah...

Also Maria is not the highest paid tennis player. Federer eclipses her in his earnings... hell his contract with Wilson is worth 100 mil alone....

You say It takes Serena 5 years to earn what MAria earns, but that is also incorrect. You say that assuming Nike is Serena's only contract, which is also not that case... You think Venus' 40 million contract with Reebok was her only deal? Venus had a 12 million deal with them before she even signed that one.......

If you actually added all the endorsements (which is impossible cause theres no way of knowing them all) You'd know the sisters arent that far behind Maria.......

Also I dont really See Maria on tv all that much.... The only commercial i see repeatedly are the really old ones with Cannon and the dog. Whereas I have seen Serena in a few newer commercials. (her HP one)

Tennisstar86
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:07 PM
Serena is marketed as an athlete, very rarely as a beauty. She sells things as 'Serena the Athlete'. Maria is marketed as not only an athlete but also as a beauty (sometimes only as a beauty) which broadens her advertisement range and allows for much higher endorsement deals.

I have no clue how many deals each girl has specifically, whether Serena gets nearly as many or not. From that 2007 money list however, Maria earned at least $9million (could be higher) more in endorsements than Serena. That doesn't seem like 'nearly' to me.

Wrong!!!..... you do realize Venus and Serena have had contracts with Avon right? and actually most of the commercials i see of Maria have to do with tennis whereas i have seen Serena in was thathave nothing to do with tennis.

iamme
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:07 PM
The roots don't lie.:lol: just look at the roots on a bad day. You can not have dark eyebrows and light colored hair.:lol:

hm..yeah maybe. then she has started it really early:shrug: she is and she was always blonde. anyway I think sunshine also causes color changing

Expat
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:11 PM
Serena has now beaten Maria 4 years in a row. But whom do you see on all of the tennis commercials? And all over the media. "I feel pretty" etc. How many time does Serena have to beat her before she gets the star treatment? What do you think?:fiery:

its about marketability
justine has beaten maria 6 times now more than serena 5 is she earning more
maria has looks , serena and venus are 2 american black sisters dominating in a white sport so that leads to them being marketable
if they were 2 african sisters hailing from nigeria or ghana would they be so marketable no?
anna k never won a tournament but she was the face of womens tennis for all the time she was there

Erika_Angel
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:11 PM
Wrong!!!..... you do realize Venus and Serena have had contracts with Avon right? and actually most of the commercials i see of Maria have to do with tennis whereas i have seen Serena in was thathave nothing to do with tennis.

I said rarely, I didn't say never - and I'm not talking about Venus at all. Meanwhile your comments on Maria v Serena v Tennis-related endorsements is so wrong.

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:12 PM
You do realize these are estimates as they have no idea of actually knowing what Serena, Venus and Maria actually make. Thats why its always reportedly close to blah blah...

Also Maria is not the highest paid tennis player. Federer eclipses her in his earnings... hell his contract with Wilson is worth 100 mil alone....

You say It takes Serena 5 years to earn what MAria earns, but that is also incorrect. You say that assuming Nike is Serena's only contract, which is also not that case... You think Venus' 40 million contract with Reebok was her only deal? Venus had a 12 million deal with them before she even signed that one.......

If you actually added all the endorsements (which is impossible cause theres no way of knowing them all) You'd know the sisters arent that far behind Maria.......

Also I dont really See Maria on tv all that much.... The only commercial i see repeatedly are the really old ones with Cannon and the dog. Whereas I have seen Serena in a few newer commercials. (her HP one)

Here is your mistake. When Fed signs a $100 million deal with Wilson they do not hand him a check for that amount. It is over time. And also other factors must be met. To reach the full extent of the contract. Years at #1 etc. Just like MLB contracts This many homeruns etc. So I was speaking on a earnings for one year.

Dodoboy.
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:14 PM
Serena did earn as much as Maria last year according to FORBES magazine.

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:16 PM
its about marketability
justine has beaten maria 6 times now more than serena 5 is she earning more
maria has looks , serena and venus are 2 american black sisters dominating in a white sport so that leads to them being marketable
if they were 2 african sisters hailing from nigeria or ghana would they be so marketable no?
anna k never won a tournament but she was the face of womens tennis for all the time she was there

Thank you. This is what I am talking about. This must and will change.
Whom decides what is marketable? and what is not.

Megan1224
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:23 PM
Serena did earn as much as Maria last year according to FORBES magazine.

You're wrong....

Maria Sharapova: 23 million

Serena Williams: 14 million

http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/12/07celebrities_Female_Athletes_slide.html?thisSpeed =30000

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:24 PM
Serena did earn as much as Maria last year according to FORBES magazine.

Wrong Forbes shows Maria $23 Mil And Serena $14 Mil.

Link
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/53/07celebrities_The-Celebrity-100_EarningsPrevYear_3.html

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:27 PM
You're wrong....

Maria Sharapova: 23 million

Serena Williams: 14 million

http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/12/07celebrities_Female_Athletes_slide.html?thisSpeed =30000

Magan1224 you beat me to it.:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Expat
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:30 PM
Thank you. This is what I am talking about. This must and will change.
Whom decides what is marketable? and what is not.
hmmm the advertisers and anyway i dont think the williams sisters are doing badly

ever looked at justine
she is doing better than both serena and maria and she is white too but still not earning as much

the reason why maria is more visible is because she is more consistent 2007 is the only year she had a bad year

investing on serena is more risky it may reward more but she can also be injured more as we have seen since 2003
whereas maria has managed to stay in top 5 even in her bad years
if we see this form of serena continuing for 1 year more and her winning more slams we could see her earning more
remember thus so far this year maria has the slam and serena doesnt
of course it could change but from a marketing point of view maria is more marketable even tennis wise as of now because
a) she has the slam
b) she is ranked higher

mankind
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:34 PM
Since 2004 Maria has become the new star on the scene and has since collected many fans due to her extreme commercialisation.

Extreme Commercialisation? :speakles: Sounds like a seriously nasty disease. Hope it's not contagious, I want none of that shit.

Tennisstar86
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:35 PM
I said rarely, I didn't say never - and I'm not talking about Venus at all. Meanwhile your comments on Maria v Serena v Tennis-related endorsements is so wrong.

:shrug: How am I wrong about what i see on my tv screen?!?!?! or in a magazine.... remember Serena posed nakid with a flower not to long ago... so much for just about tennis and not beauty....

mankind
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:37 PM
You can not have dark eyebrows and light colored hair.:lol:

Now THAT is total bullshit.
Unless Sharapova, myself, and all the other blondes with dark eyebrows have been dyeing their hair since birth, we are natural blondes. Sharapova has just gotten darker over the years - it happens - just needs a little maintenance and upkeep.

Il Primo!
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:40 PM
Why are you whining? If Maria wasn't treated as a bigger star, I'm not sure Serena will have so much loathing towards the russian and as a matter of fact so much desire to whoop her ass.

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:42 PM
hmmm the advertisers and anyway i dont think the williams sisters are doing badly

ever looked at justine
she is doing better than both serena and maria and she is white too but still not earning as much

the reason why maria is more visible is because she is more consistent 2007 is the only year she had a bad year

investing on serena is more risky it may reward more but she can also be injured more as we have seen since 2003
whereas maria has managed to stay in top 5 even in her bad years
if we see this form of serena continuing for 1 year more and her winning more slams we could see her earning more
remember thus so far this year maria has the slam and serena doesnt
of course it could change but from a marketing point of view maria is more marketable even tennis wise as of now because
a) she has the slam
b) she is ranked higher

Hmm I like how you talk about the business aspect.:)
Okay the advertiser are paid by the people and if the people demand a change the advertiser will change or go out of business. I think things will change. Because I see what the people think is beauty is changing as marketing becomes more global. In many places in the world Maria is not more marketable than Serena. But it is being forced down their throats. I think the Hip Hop generation is redefining what is hip and marketable. It has always been one way Tall Blonde(Box)But the world is much more. If fact there are more none Blondes in this world than Blondes.

Erika_Angel
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:42 PM
remember Serena posed nakid with a flower not to long ago... so much for just about tennis and not beauty....

The Jane Magazine spread was about having a number of famous women posing nude. Serena's picture said right on it 'Occupation: Athlete' ... meanwhile that isn't an endorsement deal.

canuckfan
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:51 PM
Not even close. Here is SI. Fortunate 50 for 08


Get SI's KANSAS JAYHAWKS Championship Package FREE! Subscribe to SI Give the Gift of SI





By Jonah Freedman, SI.com

Is there any question what sport is the most popular on earth? Our International 20 of the top-earning non-American athletes is dominated by nine soccer players, all of whom benefit here from one of the worst exchange rates on the dollar in years. Many have also been helped by the deep pockets of Chelsea billionaire owner Roman Abramovich, who is a George Steinbrenner on a global scale. (To read more about the soccer explosion on the 20, click here.)

Meanwhile, the retirement of reigning international king Michael Schumacher has opened the door for another Formula One superstar, Fernando Alonso. He may not be a household name yet, but he's gaining fast. (To read more on the Spanish ace, click here.) The rest of the International 20 is made up of golf and tennis stars, an Italian motorcycle-racing icon and five other athletes who make their living in U.S.-based leagues.

1Fernando Alonso

Auto Racing
Spain
Last Year's Rank: 15$35,000,0002Ronaldinho

FC Barcelona (Soccer)
Brazil
Last Year's Rank: 3$32,700,0003Roger Federer

Tennis
Switzerland
Last Year's Rank: 7$31,343,8854Valentino Rossi

Motor Sports
Italy
Last Year's Rank: 2$30,000,0005David Beckham

Real Madrid/Los Angeles Galaxy (Soccer)
Great Britain
Last Year's Rank: 5$29,700,0006Yao Ming

Houston Rockets (NBA)
China
Last Year's Rank: 13$27,455,0007Ichiro Suzuki

Seattle Mariners (MLB)
Japan
Last Year's Rank: NR$24,000,0008

Maria Sharapova

Tennis
Russia
Last Year's Rank: 4$23,799,5019Thierry Henry

Arsenal (Soccer)
France
Last Year's Rank: NR$21,400,00010Michael Ballack

Chelsea (Soccer)
Germany
Last Year's Rank: NR$20,900,00011Ronaldo

AC Milan (Soccer)
Brazil
Last Year's Rank: 8$20,700,00012Hideki Matsui

New York Yankees (MLB)
Japan
Last Year's Rank: 9$19,000,00013Dirk Nowitzki

Dallas Mavericks (NBA)
Germany
Last Year's Rank: NR$18,101,62514Ralf Schumacher

Auto Racing
Germany
Last Year's Rank: 15$18,000,00015Andriy Shevchenko

Chelsea (Soccer)
Ukraine
Last Year's Rank: NR$17,300,00016Alfonso Soriano

Chicago Cubs (MLB)
Dominican Republic
Last Year's Rank: NR$17,250,00017Vijay Singh

Pro Golf
Fiji
Last Year's Rank: 11$16,411,02618Alessandro Del Piero

Juventus (Soccer)
Italy
Last Year's Rank: NR$15,700,00019John Terry

Chelsea (Soccer)
Great Britain
Last Year's Rank: NR$15,500,00020Steven Gerrard

Liverpool (Soccer)
Great Britain
Last Year's Rank: NR$15,400,000

Link
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/specials/fortunate50/2007/index.20.html

You do realise that there are no americans on that list, do you? It's the "international" ranking. So don't be so surprised if you don't find Serena's name.

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:53 PM
You do realise that there are no americans on that list, do you? It's the "international" ranking. So don't be so surprised if you don't find Serena's name.

Look back I also quoted and linked Forbes list which they are both on.

SOA_MC
Apr 19th, 2008, 02:57 PM
How many sponsors does Maria have and who are they?

How many sponsors does Serena have and who are they?

And can someone tell how much each sponsorship is worth also please

I'm not trying to start a fight I'm just curious

Dodoboy.
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:00 PM
Well if it isn't FORBES, i was wrong.

Marco Fernandes
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:06 PM
Why do trolls like you only come out from your rocks like threads like these? Seriously you hardly post, just go back to sleep.

:lol:

Lucas_Arg
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:07 PM
They are the stars of the tour.
The rest are just average girls.

pov
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:23 PM
Probably because of the looks. Maria is way more beautiful than Serena. :)

*I think* at the start of the sentence please

It's your opinion ;)

:haha: :haha:

I agree with you 100%. It is opinion. What's so funny is that almost every post on this board is someone stating their opinion as if it was an actuality so why point it out for just one post.

Mina Vagante
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:27 PM
[QUOTE=ree-and-ross;12986376]

:haha: :haha:

I agree with you 100%. It is opinion. What's so funny is that almost every post on this board is someone stating their opinion as if it was an actuality so why point it out for just one post.

Because this post sounds mean. Other's dont. This is said like a fact- and it's not

matty
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:32 PM
Nonsense! It is because she is a pretty white blond who is the stereotype of the "All American 'Girl."

Yep, tall, thin, pretty, kinda blond (with some help) and white.

bwahahahahaha
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:33 PM
Says who?

pov
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:36 PM
I think it's cos Sharapova is the "ideal American Beauty" with porcelain skin, long flowing blonde hair and bright green eyes. But that being said, Serena is still a huge star.
- It's been many years since what you're trying to describe was considered the "ideal American Beauty"
- "porcelain skin"? "porcelain"? :haha:

matty
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:36 PM
How many sponsors does Maria have and who are they?

How many sponsors does Serena have and who are they?

And can someone tell how much each sponsorship is worth also please

I'm not trying to start a fight I'm just curious

Well one thing we know, Maria was the highest paid female athelete (of 07 i think) and that was before AO 08, with only 2 grandslams under her belt....so it really is about her marketble (pretty,blond,white) good looks. So I can see where Serena gets a little annoyed with all the hype.

harloo
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:44 PM
Maria will never be a bigger star than Serena. However, endorsement wise she'll always outperform Serena because of her blond privilege. Of course, it took Serena years on tour and playing tournaments to earn the respect of major endorsers. In a sense, I think that's helped her deal with all the pressures and expectations over the years. When Maria had more to lose due to all her endorsements her performance started to dip drastically. At the time, I don't think she was ready to handle the pressure of expectations after the floodgates opened for her but endorsers didn't care.

Remember, Anna was the highest paid female athlete on the tour at one point and she never won a tournament. So when Maria won one title, albeit a big title like Wimbledon, endorsers only focused on her eurocentric features and knew that despite any letdowns her "beauty" could be sold to Americans despite how she performed.

It's an unfair reality that one must accept and move on.:)

pov
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:45 PM
.so it really is about her marketble (pretty,blond,white) good looks.
Of course it involves her marketable looks! Is it because of blond/ white? Not really. The fact is that Serena's looks aren't those of a Marion Jones or a Halle Berry. The fact is that there are many other blond/white players on the tour who aren't considered nearly as marketable.


LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Serena Williams knows a thing or two about sex appeal. And the tennis star complimented Russian teenager Maria Sharapova on Tuesday for having lots of it.

''She's sexy,'' Williams said, smiling.

Organizers of this week's WTA Championships have focused their advertising on Sharapova, the 17-year-old blond beauty who stunned tennis by winning Wimbledon in July. Her leggy image is featured in a tournament poster with the tag line, ''The closer you sit the hotter she gets.''

''I love her legs in this picture. Her legs are so sexy,'' Williams said, studying the black and white shot of Sharapova sitting in a short skirt on a court. ''She is not being sold in this picture. This is a hot picture. If you're not ready to sell pictures, then you shouldn't be part of the tournament. Unfortunately, I hate to say it, but sex sells.''

Williams said it didn't bother her that someone Sharapova's age was being portrayed in an alluring way.

''I know a lot of people who are 12 and doing things they shouldn't be doing,'' she said. ''Whether you're an actress or a singer, it's always the sexier ones that are selling more tickets or selling more albums.''

miffedmax
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Oh, some of us bitter Lena D. fans (well, me mostly, but there are a few others) call Masha TOB for That Other Blonde.

It's a joke as I actually do like Masha, but she does get a lot of attention.

She's technically a blonde--most blondes darken as they get older but it's not like the blonde hair gene suddenly changes. Mouse brown, dishwater blonde, they were all towheads at one point. She may enhance her blondness a little, but she's certainly note a brunette or redhead.

debby
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:50 PM
I can't wait for the day where Ivanovic will win her first Slam :tape: She will get the attention, $$$$ and spot TV ... when she advances well in Slams like at French Open, everybody talk about her and ONLY her... in semis, I thought Ivanovic was sooo in the spotlights :eek: she is pretty (well, somebody has said that Serena is less beautiful than Maria in general), she smiles and she knows how to play tennis... for sure when she will win a Slam, she will tie Maria and Serena :tape:

I think it is overall about marketing and apparence. See the world Number one Justine Henin, she is only known in Belgium (she is the biggest sportswoman there)and France (because she always wins French Open)and... nowhere else ;)

Serena and Venus are very impressive, they are athletic, black and they dominated tennis (remember 2000 to 2004 :drool: )... The sisters will be remembered as great and good-looking tenniswomen ever, they have brought a new game (strong and flat balls behind the line ;) and their serve !!) what lots of players adopted too.

However, Sharapova is a "barbie girl" :tape: She is a HUGEEEE star because she is tall, blonde and beautiful (in my view, she is an average girl.. oh well), I don't think people will remembered her Slams (unlike for the Sisters' Slams) but particularly her marketing plastic.

Justine Henin's coach, Carlos Rodriguez, talked about the Sharapova's business at WTAtour two years ago :tape: he said that Larry & cie manipulated WTAtour by pushing Sharapova on ahead the scene at the expense of others players... It was a quite interesting interview, I will try to find it ;)

When I talk about Sharapova to somebody who never watches tennis at TV, he believes she is more a model than a tenniswoman a la Kournikova :tape: on the other hand, everybody knows the Williams Sisters for their achievements ;)
Sharapova is more known for her body and the sisters for their tennis, I think.

Optima
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:54 PM
:shrug: I often wonder about the people who hate on Maria because she's blonde, pretty and tall. If you were a grandslam champion, had the looks, and were hounded by the media to be promoted, offered millions of dollars, would you do a Steffi Graf and be all NOOOO I DON'T WANT IT!!!!!!! (No disrespect to Steffi, the fact she managed to stay out of the spotlight for the most part was admirable)

miffedmax
Apr 19th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Of course it involves her marketable looks! Is it because of blond/ white? Not really. The fact is that Serena's looks aren't those of a Marion Jones or a Halle Berry. The fact is that there are many other blond/white players on the tour who aren't considered nearly as marketable.

Hmmmm... there is someone who comes to mind. ;)

And the new hot thing appears to be a brunette.

I do think that Maria's appearance is a factor, but it's not the only one.

And I also think there will come a time when we look back and realize how much Serena (and Venus) did to make black female athletes marketable. They are both great trailblazers who can take an incredible amount of pride in their on- and off-court accomplishments--and no amount of money is important as that.

joão.
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:04 PM
Exactly, you think. It's just your opinion and has no basis in fact.

I've seen Serena in just as many magazines and commercials as Sharapova. I think you need to have a think about this. There is no world-wide standard of beauty. Sharapova conforms to one particular stereotype. Serena's beauty of a different kind, less common, she's like an amazonian princess or something.

We like to see beautiful people, and beauty comes in many different shapes and sizes. Look at Naiomi Campbell and Kate Moss, they are both striking in different ways.

Maria and Serena are both beautiful, and if we got into a debate about who was more beautiful then we would have left the path of reason.

I think and i'm right about it. No need to argue about that. We all know people in general find Sharapova way more beautiful than Serena.
And my basis is the fact that if models look more like Maria and model is a concept of beauty for people in general, than, DOH, Maria IS more beautiful than Serena. ALTHOUGH there are always exeptions, like you, and probably the rest of Serena fans who are, well, Serena fans so they like her. :confused:

Mikey.
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:09 PM
I can't wait for the day where Ivanovic will win her first Slam :tape: She will get the attention, $$$$ and spot TV ... when she advances well in Slams like at French Open, everybody talk about her and ONLY her... in semis, I thought Ivanovic was sooo in the spotlights :eek: she is pretty (well, somebody has said that Serena is less beautiful than Maria in general), she smiles and she knows how to play tennis... for sure when she will win a Slam, she will tie Maria and Serena :tape:

I think it is overall about marketing and apparence. See the world Number one Justine Henin, she is only known in Belgium (she is the biggest sportswoman there)and France (because she always wins French Open)and... nowhere else ;)

Serena and Venus are very impressive, they are athletic, black and they dominated tennis (remember 2000 to 2004 :drool: )... The sisters will be remembered as great and good-looking tenniswomen ever, they have brought a new game (strong and flat balls behind the line ;) and their serve !!) what lots of players adopted too.

However, Sharapova is a "barbie girl" :tape: She is a HUGEEEE star because she is tall, blonde and beautiful (in my view, she is an average girl.. oh well), I don't think people will remembered her Slams (unlike for the Sisters' Slams) but particularly her marketing plastic.

Justine Henin's coach, Carlos Rodriguez, talked about the Sharapova's business at WTAtour two years ago :tape: he said that Larry & cie manipulated WTAtour by pushing Sharapova on ahead the scene at the expense of others players... It was a quite interesting interview, I will try to find it ;)

When I talk about Sharapova to somebody who never watches tennis at TV, he believes she is more a model than a tenniswoman a la Kournikova :tape: on the other hand, everybody knows the Williams Sisters for their achievements ;)
Sharapova is more known for her body and the sisters for their tennis, I think.

That will probably end out becoming true.

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:11 PM
I think and i'm right about it. No need to argue about that. We all know people in general find Sharapova way more beautiful than Serena.
And my basis is the fact that if models look more like Maria and model is a concept of beauty for people in general, than, DOH, Maria IS more beautiful than Serena. ALTHOUGH there are always exeptions, like you, and probably the rest of Serena fans who are, well, Serena fans so they like her. :confused:

Have you ever heard of Naomi Campbell or Tyra Banks I Think they had alittle modeling in their back ground. So much for your modeling example:lol::lol::lol:

GrafMariaPetraK
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:11 PM
Maria 6"2 serena 5"9 Well Sharapova is the bigger star

GrafMariaPetraK
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Have you ever heard of Naomi Campbell or Tyra Banks I Think they had alittle modeling in their back ground. So much for your modeling example:lol::lol::lol:Yeah they supermodels which serena is not:lol:

canuckfan
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:15 PM
When I talk about Sharapova to somebody who never watches tennis at TV, he believes she is more a model than a tenniswoman a la Kournikova :tape: on the other hand, everybody knows the Williams Sisters for their achievements ;)
Sharapova is more known for her body and the sisters for their tennis, I think.

I think it's BS.

Random people who don't follow tennis know that Sharapova and Williams are tennis players, but that ends there.

If I ask my mom who Serena Williams is, she'll probably answer "She's the black tennis players who won a bunch of titles. She has a sister who also play tennis, but I have trouble telling them appart sometimes". Do you really think random people knows she has 8 slam titles and the "Serena Slam"? No way. Most people couldn't even name the four slams anyway.

It's the same thing with Sharapova. For the average person, she's the "hot blonde russian who's actually good at tennis, unlike the other hot blonde russian". They have no idea she won Wimbledon at 17, or that she struggled in 2007.

Yes tennis fans know that Serena's career is more spectacular right now, but tennis fans represent only maybe 10-15% of the consumers. For the other 85%, Sharapova is more marketable, like it or not, mostly because she's tall, blonde and beautiful but also because she's the new kid on the block and that's she's still fresh. In a few years, maybe people will get sick of her and a new player will emerge as the star.

perseus2006
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:16 PM
I didn't even know that Pova was treated as a bigger star than Serena. I cannot find any evidence for that on this board, ESPN website, Yahoo website, the tennis commentators on tv, sports writers everywhere, various popularity polls ...

The premise of this thread is just simply wrong! There's no truth to it and nothing anywhere to support it.

FOPHarvard
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:17 PM
Serena, IMO, is the bigger star of the two. There are still many people who don't know who Maria Sharapova is... And she isn't in as many commercials as she used to be.. I can't recall when was the last time I saw her on TV..

rockstar
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:18 PM
Maria 6"2 serena 5"9 Well Sharapova is the bigger star

well, if u're going by size, then serena weighs heavier :tape:

GrafMariaPetraK
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:20 PM
Not just saying this but Maria is the most beautiful woman ever to play tennis,she's like the goddess of the wta tour:inlove::worship:

GrafMariaPetraK
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:21 PM
well, if u're going by size, then serena weighs heavier :tape:SO TRUE:tape::lol:

Emina.
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:23 PM
I can't wait for the day where Ivanovic will win her first Slam :tape: She will get the attention, $$$$ and spot TV ... when she advances well in Slams like at French Open, everybody talk about her and ONLY her... in semis, I thought Ivanovic was sooo in the spotlights :eek: she is pretty (well, somebody has said that Serena is less beautiful than Maria in general), she smiles and she knows how to play tennis... for sure when she will win a Slam, she will tie Maria and Serena :tape:

I think it is overall about marketing and apparence. See the world Number one Justine Henin, she is only known in Belgium (she is the biggest sportswoman there)and France (because she always wins French Open)and... nowhere else ;)

Serena and Venus are very impressive, they are athletic, black and they dominated tennis (remember 2000 to 2004 :drool: )... The sisters will be remembered as great and good-looking tenniswomen ever, they have brought a new game (strong and flat balls behind the line ;) and their serve !!) what lots of players adopted too.

However, Sharapova is a "barbie girl" :tape: She is a HUGEEEE star because she is tall, blonde and beautiful (in my view, she is an average girl.. oh well), I don't think people will remembered her Slams (unlike for the Sisters' Slams) but particularly her marketing plastic.

Justine Henin's coach, Carlos Rodriguez, talked about the Sharapova's business at WTAtour two years ago :tape: he said that Larry & cie manipulated WTAtour by pushing Sharapova on ahead the scene at the expense of others players... It was a quite interesting interview, I will try to find it ;)

When I talk about Sharapova to somebody who never watches tennis at TV, he believes she is more a model than a tenniswoman a la Kournikova :tape: on the other hand, everybody knows the Williams Sisters for their achievements ;)
Sharapova is more known for her body and the sisters for their tennis, I think.

this post is full of :bs:my friend :cool:

The Daviator
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:23 PM
They're as big as each other, Maria gets more endorsements because she's 'attractive', but I think Serena gets better ratings in both tennis and talk shows, TV shows, etc.

The Daviator
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:25 PM
Ana will never be as big as them in the States whatever happens, she's too European.

debby
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:31 PM
I remember also when I was playing at an online game about general culture, I had the tennis theme :hearts: there was a question like this "who won the 2006 US Open tournament?" and we had to choose one from four names proposed : Amelie Mauresmo, Maria Sharapova, Justine Henin, Serena Williams... I was the only one who was right : Maria Sharapova, everybody believed Justine has won this one :tape: :help:

I really think the WS are more recognized for their Slams than Sharapova, I don't know why but the popular belief wants the beautiful athletes are less talented than the very athletics/black (like WS.. the black are usually atheletic :hearts: ) and the... not very good-looking (ugly) sportives :tape: (Justine Henin :rolleyes: sorry :o ) .. well a lot of people are reasoning by this way.

debby
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:32 PM
Ana will never be as big as them in the States whatever happens, she's too European.

Why ? European people have some succeess also :shrug:

The Daviator
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Why ? European people have some succeess also :shrug:

Yeah, but she's too foreign for US fans IMO, same way Fed is not as big as Tiger, Serena is an American, and if you didn't know otherwise you'd think Masha was a yank too.

debby
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:39 PM
this post is full of :bs:my friend :cool:

I know Maria is a very good tenniswoman, she is one of the best players. I don't like her but I can recognize her achievements and talent ... Well, she is pretty and famous, she is friend with some actors, actress (Camilla Bella? am I wrong ?), she has some attraction...

At 2006 USO, I heard more about her dress than her whole tournament 'cause in States, apparence is very important. Very important.

See on Google Battle :

Maria Sharapova 7,110,000 (view)
Serena Williams 3,650,000 (view)

or even :

Sharapova 13,600,000 (view)
Serena Williams 3,650,000 (view)

...

I am sorry but Serena has won 8 Slams titles in single, several Slams in double also, she is really pretty, she is very effusive (and drama :lol: ) but she is less popular than Sharapova.

How do you guys explain this?

Helen Lawson
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:41 PM
I think Serena is a bigger star in the US and maybe equal worldwide but Maria makes more money because she's better looking from a conventional view, ie tall blonde. Ivanovich will never come close to Maria's endorsements or popularity because she's a brunette.

Expat
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Not just saying this but Maria is the most beautiful woman ever to play tennis,she's like the goddess of the wta tour:inlove::worship:ANNA K
SABATINI

iamme
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:47 PM
ohh That Other Blonde:lol::lol: I find it funny not too rude:D and I also like Elena


btw American Beauty... you mean redskin? or which is the american type? :confused::shrug:

SOA_MC
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:47 PM
Ana will never be as big as them in the States whatever happens, she's too European.

True, The highest paid and most famous players like Evert, Navratilova, Seles, Anna K, Sharapova and Serena all live in America. While players that live outside America like Court, Sabatini, Hingis, Justine and Ana will never get the same level of endorsement deals that the players who live in America get

Remember Sabatini was once considered the most beautiful player on the tour

canuckfan
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:49 PM
I know Maria is a very good tenniswoman, she is one of the best players. I don't like her but I can recognize her achievements and talent ... Well, she is pretty and famous, she is friend with some actors, actress (Camilla Bella? am I wrong ?), she has some attraction...

At 2006 USO, I heard more about her dress than her whole tournament 'cause in States, apparence is very important. Very important.

See on Google Battle :

Maria Sharapova 7,110,000 (view)
Serena Williams 3,650,000 (view)

or even :

Sharapova 13,600,000 (view)
Serena Williams 3,650,000 (view)

...

I am sorry but Serena has won 8 Slams titles in single, several Slams in double also, she is really pretty, she is very effusive (and drama :lol: ) but she is less popular than Sharapova.

How do you guys explain this?


1. You can't exactly mesure the popularity of a player by the amount of endorsement they get. You can only mesure the effectivity of their management team.

2. People don't buy a digital camera or a laptop because the athlete endorsing it has 8 slams.

3. Being effusive is not really a plus. It's a turn-off for a lot of people.

debby
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:58 PM
:confused: I did not talk about endorsements but about popularity on Google. ;)

cheo23
Apr 19th, 2008, 04:58 PM
Because Serena is a black woman and in America, all that hard work does not matter if you're black. America is racist and the media is always looking to FEED on some white turkey.

canuckfan
Apr 19th, 2008, 05:02 PM
:confused: I did not talk about endorsements but about popularity on Google. ;)

Well it was more a reply for the thread in general.

Sorry ;)

qc_aneres
Apr 19th, 2008, 05:03 PM
coz she is white

So You Say
Apr 19th, 2008, 05:10 PM
I think Serena is a bigger star in the US and maybe equal worldwide but Maria makes more money because she's better looking from a conventional view, ie tall blonde. Ivanovich will never come close to Maria's endorsements or popularity because she's a brunette.

Helen, you have similar experiences in Hollywood, being a redhead didn’t you?

heart
Apr 19th, 2008, 06:29 PM
she's pretty & talented..but i still have a huge respect for serena :D

LCS
Apr 19th, 2008, 07:04 PM
Why have the last two highlight videos on wtatour.com been about Serena's matches in Charleston and not about any other player? :rolleyes:



Serena?

starin
Apr 19th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Because Serena is a black woman and in America, all that hard work does not matter if you're black. America is racist and the media is always looking to FEED on some white turkey.

:lol:
i think u're trying to be sarcastic but it's true. But it's slowly starting to change....at least in the media. Will Smith is the biggest male movie star atm and Barak Obama is a legitimate candidate for President. Media's always like a few decades ahead of the general population and about 50 years ahead of the south and midwest so by the time all of us are old foggies and/or dead being black or hispanic or whatever won't mean much anymore. At least in America...iono about other parts of the world. I think parts of Europe and Asia are still pretty blatantly racist.

Nicolás89
Apr 19th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Well, if Serena would look like Naomi Campbell. :shrug:

So You Say
Apr 19th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Plain and simple. It’s purely down to looks, that’s why Anna Kournikova is a BIGGER star than both.

VishaalMaria
Apr 19th, 2008, 07:16 PM
Plain and simple. It’s purely down to looks, that’s why Anna Kournikova is a BIGGER star than both.

Stop Trolling.

SAEKeithSerena
Apr 19th, 2008, 07:17 PM
because she's white and blonde.

no, for real. serena deserves a lot more respect and endorsements than she gets.

Tamus
Apr 19th, 2008, 07:19 PM
Maria is the bigger commercial star, while Serena is the bigger media star (in America anyway). The difference really isn't that much; they are 1 and 2 in both categories and clearly ahead of anyone else.

GrafMariaPetraK
Apr 19th, 2008, 07:40 PM
Plain and simple. It’s purely down to looks, that’s why Anna Kournikova is a BIGGER star than both.Please Kournikova:tape: is ordinary compared to Maria sharapova

bellascarlett
Apr 19th, 2008, 07:57 PM
Their fame depends on what part of the world you are talking about. Where I am now, Maria has two commercials playing on tv - one for Nike and the other for Gatorade. It's Maria's face you see in stores selling Canon cameras (she has life-size images of herself) and Tag H. watches. It's mostly Maria's name you hear from kids playing tennis. As I said, consideration has to be given to the country/region. It's also true when someone said players have their own times to shine.

Dave.
Apr 19th, 2008, 08:17 PM
Maria can have all the offcourt stuff. What matters is what happens on the court, and that's where Serena totally outshines Maria.

morningglory
Apr 19th, 2008, 08:23 PM
She's blonde, tall, pretty and photogenic! And besides, Serena has been around longer than Maria... Newer faces tend to get more attention

lee station
Apr 19th, 2008, 08:24 PM
serena hot pova not

No Name Face
Apr 19th, 2008, 09:09 PM
to me serena is a lot hotter than sharapova. she's peaking in looks now, whereas sharapova probably peaked already

frontier
Apr 19th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Serena has been a superstar longer and she transcends sports,she can afford to be a first name star .She has made more money than pova since she was 17yrs has been in the limelight and was already a multi millionaire by 18yrs.Serena is a bigger star because she creates buzz,remember all the slams of 07.

Tamus
Apr 19th, 2008, 10:01 PM
Serena has been a superstar longer and she transcends sports,she can afford to be a first name star .She has made more money than pova since she was 17yrs has been in the limelight and was already a multi millionaire by 18yrs.Serena is a bigger star because she creates buzz,remember all the slams of 07.

Yeah, because she has a rare first name and a popular last name (not to mention a sister), whereas Maria is possibly the most popular name in the world.

DemWilliamsGulls
Apr 19th, 2008, 10:38 PM
I'll sound like Richard Williams if i comment on this topic...so....NO COMMENT!

Tennisstar86
Apr 19th, 2008, 10:41 PM
Why ? European people have some succeess also :shrug:

Europians have success, but Ana will never get the endorsements as Venus/ Serena/ or Maria..... or Ana for that matter... its the language barrier... ana knows english but clearly when she speaks theres an accent. slight translation issues, plus she doesnt open her mouth when she speaks... She just wont ever be as big as the other three......
Also (if she were gonna blow up it would have already happened...) Maria/ Venus/ Serena were already getting the hype long before they wont their first majors... that same hype doesnt surround Ana...

Olórin
Apr 19th, 2008, 10:48 PM
Yeah, because she has a rare first name and a popular last name (not to mention a sister), whereas Maria is possibly the most popular name in the world.

This is 2008, not the 1950's. Maria is no longer the most popular name.

Svetlana.
Apr 19th, 2008, 10:59 PM
Nonsense! It is because she is a pretty white blond who is the stereotype of the "All American 'Girl."

and why does it bother you?

goldenlox
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:12 PM
Maria can have all the offcourt stuff. What matters is what happens on the court, and that's where Serena totally outshines Maria.Maria won the AO this year, and she's won 2 of the last 6 majors.
Serena has lost 4 straight slam QF's. And she's won 1 major in over 3 years.
That's what's happening on the court.

faboozadoo15
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:12 PM
This is 2008, not the 1950's. Maria is no longer the most popular name.

This poster said "the world". And Maria/Mary derivations are perhaps the most popular female names in the world.

What do you suppose the most popular male name in the world is? Aiden? :tape: :haha:

Andy.
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:16 PM
Another reason Masha is such a big star is that she has a really good management team behind her with the concept of building her a global brand, being very deliberate with the brands they have chosen to endorse. Everything has been very calculated and well thought out.

woosey
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:32 PM
hahha..Americans need a russian for All American Girl :lol:

americans don't realize she's a foreigner.

woosey
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:33 PM
and why does it bother you?

it's racist?

bwahahahahaha
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:39 PM
Maria won the AO this year, and she's won 2 of the last 6 majors.
Serena has lost 4 straight slam QF's. And she's won 1 major in over 3 years.
That's what's happening on the court.

Selective stats :rolleyes:

debby
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Maria won the AO this year, and she's won 2 of the last 6 majors.
Serena has lost 4 straight slam QF's. And she's won 1 major in over 3 years.
That's what's happening on the court.

Serena's won 1 major last year where she humiliated Maria 6/1 6/2 , she won two straight Miami (the first, she has beaten Maria 6/1 6/1, the two she bashed Henin 6/2 6/0), she is defeated once,by Jelena :eek: and Maria is defeated twice this year.

She has won 8 slams, Maria three, Serena lead their H2H 5-2.
That's what's happening on the court.

I am tired of this ridiculous battle between Pova's fans and Rena's fans... :tape: I don't see where is the interest to say "ZOMFG Maria is better than Rena because she won the AO !!!!!!1111" , oh well, only the AO is already played :rolleyes: there are still French Open, Wimbledon, USO...


Otherwise, why the colour of skin will prevail for endorsements, popularity, etc ? Aretha Franklin is surely one of the greatest singers overall the time, everybody knows her. I think that a part of America is perhaps racist but Sharapova is Russian... And you know, Bush and Putin don't get really along well.. Russia isn't the best friend for America.

goldenlox
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:47 PM
Since Maria turned 17 she won more slams than Serena.
Serena has won one major in 3 years 3 months and counting.

Their h2h includes when Maria was 16 and had just lost to Myskina 61 62.
And it includes green clay.
And Maria is up 2-1 in finals.

Svetlana.
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:48 PM
it's racist?

???

tennistuff
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:50 PM
Since Maria turned 17 she won more slams than Serena.
Serena has won one major in 3 years 3 months and counting.

Their h2h includes when Maria was 16 and had just lost to Myskina 61 62.
And it includes green clay.
And Maria is up 2-1 in finals.

You want to narrow it to after Maria turn 17 years old. Maria has not beaten Serena in Four years. And was beaten badly 2 times in a row. Oh and has more Grand slams.

Svetlana.
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:50 PM
Yeh, Maria!!! You go girl!!! 24 million a year and counting :yeah:

iamme
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:54 PM
americans don't realize she's a foreigner.
hmm.. yeah among that many foreigers it's not a surprise..

goldenlox
Apr 19th, 2008, 11:55 PM
Maria isn't getting endorsement deals because of what she did at age 14.
From when she turned 17, she's been ahead of Serena on the court and off the court.

The key stat is that Serena has 1 major in over 3 years, 2 in almost 5 years, and holds none. That's the Maria years.

tennistuff
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:04 AM
Maria isn't getting endorsement because of what she did at age 14.
From when she turned 17, she's been ahead of Serena on the court and off the court.

The key stat is that Serena has 1 major in over 3 years, 2 in almost 5 years, and holds none. That's the Maria years.

The key stat is that every time they play Maria gets her but kicked :lol: And is only making more money because of a blind ractist system. But I people can change that by puting presure on the sponsors. And I think they will. In the up and coming Olympics USA is going to get our butts kicked then we will not think Sharapova is so cute.

dwynn10
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:07 AM
Are you really talking serious ? :lol:

That head-to-head has nothing to do with tennis commercials... Maria is a great tennis player and is beautiful, has a nice body, etc...

Serena just is a great champion but then her image... :help:

So, Who do you think they would prefer? Serena ? :rolleyes:

The question why Shriekapova gets more endorsement bucks than Serena has been asked and aswered many times before. It doesn't matter how many times Serena beats Shriekie on the court, a leggy, skinny, blond girl will always be more preferred in the commercial world over a full-figured, black (or any other race) girl, even if the blond girl is a foreigner and the black girl is American :shrug:. Unfair? Maybe, but that's the way the ball bounces in this country.

goldenlox
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:07 AM
Maria leads 2-1 in finals, and she's the one holding the major.
I don't know about racism, Tiger Woods does well.
But he's not going more than 3 years with one major.

Darren Rovell just wrote an article saying the 3 most marketable athletes are Woods, LeBron and Maria.

goldenlox
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:10 AM
Sharapova carefully has crafted what she describes as 'relationships' with sponsors. They include Prince, Nike, Gatorade, Canon, Land Rover, Tag Heuer, Motorola, Tropicana and Colgate.
Part of a 'lifetime' Prince deal called for Sharapova to design a pink racquet bag. CBS Paramount Network TV is working with Sharapova on a sports-themed drama project 'set inside the world of professional women's tennis.'
Nike's 'I Feel Pretty' television campaign full of New York City street scenes was a huge hit before the 2006 U.S. Open.
The Canon contract reportedly was three years for $6 million, and that was signed way back in 2004.
For an estimated $1 million per year, Sharapova is 'the global female face for Gatorade.'
Which is quite a responsibility until you realize Rovell has Sharapova on his list of the three 'most marketable current athletes.' Tiger Woods and LeBron James are the others.

Tamus
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:20 AM
The question why Shriekapova gets more endorsement bucks than Serena has been asked and aswered many times before. It doesn't matter how many times Serena beat Shriekie on the court, a leggy, skinny, blond girl will always be more preferred in the commercial world over a full-figured, black (or any other race) girl, even if the blond girl is a foreigner and the black girl is American :shrug:. Unfair? Maybe, but that's the way the ball bounces in this country.

It depends on the market that you are attempting to sell to.

dwynn10
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:24 AM
to me serena is a lot hotter than sharapova. she's peaking in looks now, whereas sharapova probably peaked already

Objectively speaking, Serena is actually a pretty girl, and would be even more so, if she lost some weight. Because Shriekie is blond, skinny and tall, she can be photogenic under the right lighting and grooming, but her features are no more than pleasantly pretty and typically Slavic. Since she's Russian, fair, and gets a lot of sun exposure, I wouldn't be surprised if she begins looking like a babushka in about 10 years.

tennistuff
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:30 AM
Objectively speaking, Serena is actually a pretty girl, and would be even more so, if she lost some weight. Because Shriekie is blond, skinny and tall, she can be photogenic under the right lighting and grooming, but her features are no more than pleasantly pretty and typically Slavic. Since she's Russian, fair, and gets a lot of sun exposure, I wouldn't be surprised if she begins looking like a babushka in about 10 years.

It is because we are being spoon fed by the sponsors what pretty is. Beauty is many things to many people. I know poeple that would take Serena over Maria any day. And they don't like skinny and Blonde. Not there taste.

Il Primo!
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:01 AM
If Serena actually stepped up her game big time in the HAIR department, it would be another story :p

tennistuff
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:25 AM
If Serena actually stepped up her game big time in the HAIR department, it would be another story :p

I don't see anything wrong with Serena's Hair.

The Daviator
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:29 AM
Sharapova carefully has crafted what she describes as 'relationships' with sponsors. They include Prince, Nike, Gatorade, Canon, Land Rover, Tag Heuer, Motorola, Tropicana and Colgate.
Part of a 'lifetime' Prince deal called for Sharapova to design a pink racquet bag. CBS Paramount Network TV is working with Sharapova on a sports-themed drama project 'set inside the world of professional women's tennis.'
Nike's 'I Feel Pretty' television campaign full of New York City street scenes was a huge hit before the 2006 U.S. Open.
The Canon contract reportedly was three years for $6 million, and that was signed way back in 2004.
For an estimated $1 million per year, Sharapova is 'the global female face for Gatorade.'
Which is quite a responsibility until you realize Rovell has Sharapova on his list of the three 'most marketable current athletes.' Tiger Woods and LeBron James are the others.

He's clearly talking about the US only since LeBron James is a complete nobody outside the US.

edificio
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:30 AM
I don't think Maria is treated as a bigger star at all. She may have more prominent endorsements at the moment, but she is younger, blonder, and whiter (the market likes that) than Serena. However, Serena is still a megastar. Another prominent ad campaign that Serena is in is the HP laptop one. Maria will be usurped by a younger player eventually in terms of endorsements, but she'll still be a big star just like Serena.

Volcana
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:32 AM
Serena has now beaten Maria 4 years in a row. But whom do you see on all of the tennis commercials? And all over the media. "I feel pretty" etc. How many time does Serena have to beat her before she gets the star treatment? What do you think?:fiery:Young. Pretty. White.


It's about what image is likelier to get fans more interested in buying irrelevancies, like watches and refrigerators. Why is Nicole Vaidisova 'unstoppable' but Lindsay Davenport rarely got any love from the advertisers?

Dunlop1
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:45 AM
Serena is a very popular athlete in her own right.
I think Maria is more popular because now she is the IT girl in tennis. She is younger, just 20, very attractive and the icing on the cake is she is winning majors.

Someone mentioned Beyonce. Trust me, if Serena looked like Beyonce or Halle Berry or Jessica White we wouldn't be talking about Maria, plus she would have doubled her earnings last year.
(The flip side is she probably would have dropped tennis for hollywood)

rjd1111
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:51 AM
Not really. I haven't rally heard anything about Stosur on the news ever. It's more all about Alicia if anything. But you'd hear more about Sharapova or Serena on the news than any Aussie. (becides Casey's recent breakthrough)


But yeah I guess it has to do with the time period we are in. Serena was obviously the big star back in the early 2000's because she was on top of the game. Since about 2004 she has faded in and out. Coming back to produce some magnificent tennis, but then getting injured and going missing for several months at a time. Since 2004 Maria has become the new star on the scene and has since collected many fans due to her extreme commercialisation. I'm sure when Serena stays healthy for a lengthy period of time, gets back on the top of tennis and in the public eye again she will begin to win back some of the super star action Maria has taken from her.


Pova hasn't taken anything from Serena. Yes her picture is
strung up all over the place. Larry Scott probably strung them
all up himself. She is a Star in Larry and a few media peoples mind.
Oh..and some of her fans. People who know tennis know who puts
butts in the seats, and people outside tennis don't know who
Pova is. Whether its involved with Tennis, or the red carpet, or
the big and little screen people know who Serena is.
She has reached one name status.

So You Say
Apr 20th, 2008, 09:56 AM
Please Kournikova:tape: is ordinary compared to Maria sharapova

More people on the planet know who Anna is, than Maria, therefore she’s the BIGGER star. It’s nothing whatsoever to do with sporting achievement. At the peak of her fame, fans looking for images of Kournikova made her name (or misspellings of it) one of the most common search strings on Google. Although, Anna did have a far superior tennis game than Maria.

You take Gabriela Sabatini, you imagine Gabriela coming onto the tennis scene now, with it’s commercialism. She would be a BIGGER star than Maria/Serena combined.

You think Steffi was the greatest player EVER, I agree. But this alone did not make her the BIGGEST star.

Andy.
Apr 20th, 2008, 11:29 AM
More people on the planet know who Anna is, than Maria, therefore she’s the BIGGER star. It’s nothing whatsoever to do with sporting achievement. At the peak of her fame, fans looking for images of Kournikova made her name (or misspellings of it) one of the most common search strings on Google. Although, Anna did have a far superior tennis game than Maria.
Do you really think so? thats your opinion and thats fine but I dont see it? to me Masha has a much better serve, more accurate and powerful groundstrokes and much better fighting abiltities and mental toughness. What Anna was better at were volleys (obviously) and she used more variety. That being said the things I think Maria was better at are more important that having great volleys over good volleys and using more variety. I could be worng thats just what I think. Let me know what you think.

Thanx4nothin
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:05 PM
She isn't, Serena fills more seats than Sharapova does. Masha is simply more marketable because she has 'the look'. Not much to be proud of if you ask me.

Mina Vagante
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:09 PM
She isn't, Serena fills more seats than Sharapova does. Masha is simply more marketable because she has 'the look'. Not much to be proud of if you ask me.

Exactly! Serena get's people on seats purely because of her tennis. Maria does have that 'look' that all teenage girls aspire to be :rolleyes:.

Andy.
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:11 PM
She isn't, Serena fills more seats than Sharapova does. Masha is simply more marketable because she has 'the look'. Not much to be proud of if you ask me.
Maria has a lot more than her looks to be proud of. Give her the respect she deserves.

Il Primo!
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:12 PM
So Maria's victim of her looks? Don't forget she's got a spectacular game, a great career so far, and it has nothing to do with her beauty.

I would have understood the negativity surrounding this topic if that Russian couldn't handle a racket to save her life but it's clearly not the case.

Andy.
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:13 PM
Exactly! Serena get's people on seats purely because of her tennis. Maria does have that 'look' that all teenage girls aspire to be :rolleyes:.
And the problem with that is :confused: you are talking as though Maria is Anna K and people only go and watch her because of her looks. She is one of the best tennis players in the world, that might be a little hard for you to admit it seems. Maria has worked very hard to get to where she is and deserves some respect.

So You Say
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:14 PM
Exactly! Serena get's people on seats purely because of her tennis. Maria does have that 'look' that all teenage girls aspire to be :rolleyes:.

Why, what’s wrong with the way Maria looks?

Andy.
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:18 PM
If Serena actually stepped up her game big time in the HAIR department, it would be another story :p
Yeah her hair has tended to look a little messy and unkept lately on the court. I think she needs some new extentions or she needs to style her hair a little better, she would look much better then.

Mina Vagante
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:19 PM
Why, what’s wrong with the way Maria looks?

No, Nothing is wrong with the way she looks. I'm just saying she has that kind of 'barbie girl' image. You know, the blonde hair and everything. I was just saying that that's what the media and tennage girls are in to

homogenius
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:20 PM
So Maria's victim of her looks? Don't forget she's got a spectacular game, a great career so far, and it has nothing to do with her beauty.

I would have understood the negativity surrounding this topic if that Russian couldn't handle a racket to save her life but it's clearly not the case.

She's overmarketed for a long time now.At one point, it's logical that people are bored/annoyed by that.

Andy.
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:23 PM
She's overmarketed for a long time now.At one point, it's logical that people are bored/annoyed by that.
I dont think she is overmarketed. She has been very selective with her sponsors, she doesnt out to anywhere near as many public events as Serena and she only sets a side a hadful of days a year in which to do her sponsor commitments and photo shoots.

So You Say
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:27 PM
Do you really think so? thats your opinion and thats fine but I dont see it? to me Masha has a much better serve, more accurate and powerful groundstrokes and much better fighting abiltities and mental toughness. What Anna was better at were volleys (obviously) and she used more variety. That being said the things I think Maria was better at are more important that having great volleys over good volleys and using more variety. I could be worng thats just what I think. Let me know what you think.

This I just my humble opinion. I don’t believe that we are seeing, maybe we never will, the very best of Maria. From what I am led to believe, her shoulder injury and surgery was far more extensive that people were led to believe. So, to return and win another slam (and hopefully more for herself) is quite amazing.
I don’t buy the manufactured facade ‘Ice Queen - Tough-As-Nails’ image. Her entourage may have encouraged this, but that’s not what she’s like, if you meet her. It’s another reason why she has so many ‘significant’ loses to the likes of Venus/Serena/Svetlana They tend to bully and worry her out of many matches.

Il Primo!
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:34 PM
She's overmarketed for a long time now.At one point, it's logical that people are bored/annoyed by that.

I can understand it. Actually I'd be pretty mad if I couldn't stand her. But she clearly earns what she gets IMO, objectively. She's a great tennis player, she's attractive, she's got a real charisma.She's got (or she's on the verge of having) all Serena has,but Serena ain't no Beyonce.

It's not like if she was overmarketed in spite of having Hantuchova's career.

And why Serena is a much bigger star than Hénin? You find it normal? OK, Serena has one GS more than her, but that doesn't justify how much Serena is covered and marketed compared to Hénin. The reason is: Serena is american and more beautiful than that belgian thing. And so far no one complains about that. Double standard.

So just deal with it, Maria is a great player with the X factor compared to Serena, like Serena is a great player with the X factor compared to Hénin (andit has nothing to do with the fact Serena counts more slams than Hénin, if you replace Serena with Venus in my example, the statement still prevails ;) )

Renalicious
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:35 PM
In Australia Stosur is bigger than both of them combined, speak for your own country!!

Are you kidding? No way. :rolleyes:

So You Say
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:43 PM
No, Nothing is wrong with the way she looks. I'm just saying she has that kind of 'barbie girl' image. You know, the blonde hair and everything. I was just saying that that's what the media and tennage girls are in to

That’s a very stereotypical reply. So, because blonde is beautiful, and people feel that if god gave you beauty he would take away intelligence? You know, not all blondes are bimbos. Sometimes they are, a lot of the time the women just live up to the bimbo reputation as it gets them attention, even if they are actually intelligent.

Wasn't Serena blonde once?

homogenius
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:15 PM
I can understand it. Actually I'd be pretty mad if I couldn't stand her. But she clearly earns what she gets IMO, objectively. She's a great tennis player, she's attractive, she's got a real charisma.She's got (or she's on the verge of having) all Serena has,but Serena ain't no Beyonce.

It's not like if she was overmarketed in spite of having Hantuchova's career.

And why Serena is a much bigger star than Hénin? You find it normal? OK, Serena has one GS more than her, but that doesn't justify how much Serena is covered and marketed compared to Hénin. The reason is: Serena is american and more beautiful than that belgian thing. And so far no one complains about that. Double standard.

So just deal with it, Maria is a great player with the X factor compared to Serena, like Serena is a great player with the X factor compared to Hénin (andit has nothing to do with the fact Serena counts more slams than Hénin, if you replace Serena with Venus in my example, the statement still prevails ;) )

There are a lot of similar points between the Williams sisters and Sharapova.In both cases there is a father who wanted to make money and managed to market his child/children at a young age.In both cases they started in US and once you're marketed in US it's worldwide.
Henin never had a father with the same ambition than Richard and Yuri and she's from Belgium (quite a difference with the US).

Surely the fact that Serena, Venus and Sharapova are considered as attractive helped a lot (poor Henin on that one) and they backed it up with great results.I'm not saying that they don't deserve what they get.
In the case Maria, it's just that she's been hyped and marketed way before she won a slam and now she's not only a tennis player but she's also a product.The PR never stop (like her being linked regularly to an ATP player like Roddick, Ferrero or Djokovic, when there's no story actually) and sometimes it's gross(for example the Miami incident with Golovin and the pics with her at a basketball match few days after that were kinda ridiculous).
I also think that with some tennis fans she has this image of the girl with the crazy father in the stand and a bunch of sponsors, and that these people make the decisions for her.
Finally, I think that there's also a lot of people who think that she's just not as attractive as it's presented and that the "product Maria Sharapova" is simply overhyped (no need to hate to think that imo).

goldenlox
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:22 PM
You're crazy. It's no big deal that she was at a NBA game with Golovin.
She was at an NBA game with Kournikova 2 years ago.
No one heard about that.
It was a fluke that a cameraman got Golovin in the Sharapova photo, so people here made a big deal of it. Sharapova and Golovin and Jankovic grew up together in Bradenton.

homogenius
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:25 PM
You're carzy. It's no big deal that she was at a NBA game with Golovin.
She was at an NBA game with Kournikova 2 years ago.
No one heard about that.

Please :rolleyes:

homogenius
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:32 PM
You're crazy. It's no big deal that she was at a NBA game with Golovin.
She was at an NBA game with Kournikova 2 years ago.
No one heard about that.
It was a fluke that a cameraman got Golovin in the Sharapova photo, so people here made a big deal of it. Sharapova and Golovin and Jankovic grew up together in Bradenton.

The Miami's crowd was cheering for Golovin the whole match and after Maria's attitude when Golovin injured her ankle, Maria's image was really hurted.She got bad press and this match was discussed a lot on tennis's forums.On all of a sudden (just few days later) you see Golovin and Sharapova at a basketball's match (Golovin with her ankle plastered) acting like they were best friends.
It's quite a good example of what I said before : sometimes it's seems it's not Maria who make the decisions.Image first.


(btw, the smile of Golovin on these pics was priceless).

Princeza
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:35 PM
As if one cares about the other :rolleyes:

goldenlox
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:36 PM
Maria probably knows Golovin as well as she knows anyone on the WTA tour.
Maria is focused in her matches. She won't change because a player fell down.

I've seen players, like Pierce, spend 20 minutes lying on the ground &/or getting treatment, then win the match.
I want Maria to stay focused until Golovin retires from the match.

homogenius
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:38 PM
Maria probably knows Golovin as well as anyone in the sport of tennis.
Maria is focused in her matches. She won't change because a player fell down.

I've seen players, like Pierce, spend 20 minutes lying on the ground &/or getting treatment, then win the match.
I want Maria to stay focused until Golovin retires from the match.

I didn't say that Maria's attitude during the match was right or wrong.I was just saying how it was perceved at the time and how Maria's team answered to that.

bellascarlett
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:47 PM
I can understand it. Actually I'd be pretty mad if I couldn't stand her. But she clearly earns what she gets IMO, objectively. She's a great tennis player, she's attractive, she's got a real charisma.She's got (or she's on the verge of having) all Serena has,but Serena ain't no Beyonce.

It's not like if she was overmarketed in spite of having Hantuchova's career.

And why Serena is a much bigger star than Hénin? You find it normal? OK, Serena has one GS more than her, but that doesn't justify how much Serena is covered and marketed compared to Hénin. The reason is: Serena is american and more beautiful than that belgian thing. And so far no one complains about that. Double standard.

So just deal with it, Maria is a great player with the X factor compared to Serena, like Serena is a great player with the X factor compared to Hénin (andit has nothing to do with the fact Serena counts more slams than Hénin, if you replace Serena with Venus in my example, the statement still prevails ;) )

Good one.

Also, advertisers and the big companies who deal with them aren't dumb. They do sufficient research before they sign up a face to market their brand or product. You can be blonde and still not have 'it'. They certainly wouldn't sign someone up if the general public or their target customer is bored by that person.

I think it is unfair to say Maria gets her fame or her media projects just due to the way she looks. It's undeniable that she's a complete package. She's a champion in her field, has maintained that status in her career and is attractive. Her commercials came after she won Wimbledon, not before.

People are simply being stubborn on some points. It's really ignorant to say that Serena fills more seats than Maria. Are there facts to back that up? Numbers? As I've said, consideration should be given to the place. I couldn't emphasize that enough. The US or any other country for that matter isn't the world. There is a bigger world out there. If something is true in one place, doesn't mean it's true in others. That's just a closed-minded way of thinking. And the game moves with the times. We are in the year 2008 now. Tennis gets new fans or audiences every day. And Maria has been more visible in the last few years I feel, not only on court but also in the media.

chuvack
Apr 20th, 2008, 02:35 PM
I didnt bother to read the thread and I'm sure others have said the same, but the obvious answer is because Sharapova is white and relatively thin, and because she's 5 years younger.

Nemo_Kool
Apr 20th, 2008, 02:40 PM
Serena will always be the bigger star to me!!!!!!!hahaha

Lolo8
Apr 20th, 2008, 04:13 PM
I think if it takes looks and sex appeal to draw an audience then the women's game is in a sad state. The ATP don't need a Sharapova type for success or to sell tickets. Its not Maria's fault that Larry Scott, Mary Jo Fernandez and others are shoving her down are throats. Maria was created by the tennis establihsment for one purpose , to destroy the Williams sister and their legacy.:lol: Mary Jo Fernandez obssession with Maria is beyond ridiculous. Why is she so emotionally involved in Maria?

Expat
Apr 20th, 2008, 04:33 PM
I think if it takes looks and sex appeal to draw an audience then the women's game is in a sad state. The ATP don't need a Sharapova type for success or to sell tickets. Its not Maria's fault that Larry Scott, Mary Jo Fernandez and others are shoving her down are throats. Maria was created by the tennis establihsment for one purpose , to destroy the Williams sister and their legacy.:lol: Mary Jo Fernandez obssession with Maria is beyond ridiculous. Why is she so emotionally involved in Maria?
i dont think mary has any axe to grind with serena
on the contrary she is one of the best supporters of the williams sisters
regarding maria its natural for her to support someone who is a client of her husband

and lets be honest about it how many of us would be watching women's tennis even venus or serena if it was purely about tennis skills vis a vis the ATP

women's tennis is known for fashion drama etc
it cant compete with men's tennis based on skill
hell even venus and serena coudnt defeat a top 200 ranked men's player


and why do i see only serena fans complaining about this
why not justine or even venus
they are as qualified as serena but get paid less

tennistuff
Apr 20th, 2008, 04:37 PM
I think if it takes looks and sex appeal to draw an audience then the women's game is in a sad state. The ATP don't need a Sharapova type for success or to sell tickets. Its not Maria's fault that Larry Scott, Mary Jo Fernandez and others are shoving her down are throats. Maria was created by the tennis establihsment for one purpose , to destroy the Williams sister and their legacy.:lol: Mary Jo Fernandez obssession with Maria is beyond ridiculous. Why is she so emotionally involved in Maria?

Also Mary Carrillo is in love with Sharapova. It's sick.

goldenlox
Apr 20th, 2008, 04:39 PM
Maria was created? She worked hard to be this good. She's by far the best young player, and the future of this tour could be hers, unless another young player steps up.

Lolo8
Apr 20th, 2008, 04:39 PM
i dont think mary has any axe to grind with serena
on the contrary she is one of the best supporters of the williams sisters
regarding maria its natural for her to support someone who is a client of her husband

Mary Jo is not and never was a Williams supporter. If you watched the Match between Serena and Maria she clearly wanted Serena to lose. She kept bringing up tatics that Maria could use against Serena but never talked about what Serena needed to do against Maria. It must be cool for a tennis player to have their own personal cheerleader in the booth.:rolleyes:

Expat
Apr 20th, 2008, 04:41 PM
Mary Jo is not and never was a Williams supporter. If you watched the Match between Serena and Maria she clearly wanted Serena to lose. She kept bring up tatics that Maria could use against Serena but never what Serena needed to do against Maria. It must be cool for a tennis player to have their own personal cheerleader in the booth.:rolleyes:
yes the whole world is against the williams sisters :rolleyes:
mary joe is a big time racist :o

Lolo8
Apr 20th, 2008, 04:44 PM
yes the whole world is against the williams sisters :rolleyes:
mary joe is a big time racist :o

I never called Mary Jo a racist and don't care if she is one but she is such a tool for Larry Scott, IMG and the rest of the establishment. That woman is annoying.

Lolo8
Apr 20th, 2008, 04:51 PM
Also Mary Carrillo is in love with Sharapova. It's sick.

No, Carillo has always been in love with Hingis.:lol:

Svetlana.
Apr 20th, 2008, 05:08 PM
so much hate against a beautiful white tennis star.

So You Say
Apr 20th, 2008, 05:11 PM
so much hate against a beautiful white tennis star.

Yes, it’s quite sickening, the resentment towards her. Maria’s such an amazing person, I guess it’s mainly down to jealousy.

Lolo8
Apr 20th, 2008, 06:26 PM
so much hate against a beautiful white tennis star.
There is also alot of hate and jealousy towards two beautiful talented black tennis players. But why?:confused:

missvarsha
Apr 20th, 2008, 06:40 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAH MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

How anyone can claim that Serena is not treated as a super duper ouper star is beyond me.

Pova made more money ? Did you ever consider that maybe Serena doesn't make as much endorsement money as Sharapova because she doesn't want to ? Clearly, IMG is shilling Maria out to every ad buyer they can (because its their job, and they get a commission), and Yuri S. never saw an opportunity to make money that he didn't like. Maybe Serena doesn't want a bazillion contracts, and just does the one she wants. For example, she doesn't have a clothing sponsor because she likes to wear her own craptastic designs.

TV visibility ? People see the 'Pova Canon commercial all the time because Canon sponsors tennis events and thats when it airs. Serena has her own (very very cool) Mac commercial which only airs at random times, because Apple is not an official sponsor of any tennis event.

Media coverage ? Oh my god either I was imagining things or someone photoshopped Serena Williams into the opening red carper of every high profile glitz event for the last five years. And yeah, she got all those cameo roles in prime time TV shows because of her "acting" "ability". Not. She got them because of who she is. Serena Williams.

And the point about MJF not coming up with Tactics for Serena to beat Pova...well....DUH. If you are winning 6-1 6-1 what more is there to say ? As a tennis commentator it is MJF's job to come up with an analysis and offer an explanation of what Maria is/was doing badly and what she could do differently to win. Serena is already winning why does she need advice.

AUGH. I need a drink.

Tennisstar86
Apr 20th, 2008, 06:44 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAH MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

How anyone can claim that Serena is not treated as a super duper ouper star is beyond me.

Pova made more money ? Did you ever consider that maybe Serena doesn't make as much endorsement money as Sharapova because she doesn't want to ? Clearly, IMG is shilling Maria out to every ad buyer they can (because its their job, and they get a commission), and Yuri S. never saw an opportunity to make money that he didn't like. Maybe Serena doesn't want a bazillion contracts, and just does the one she wants. For example, she doesn't have a clothing sponsor because she likes to wear her own craptastic designs.

TV visibility ? People see the 'Pova Canon commercial all the time because Canon sponsors tennis events and thats when it airs. Serena has her own (very very cool) Mac commercial which only airs at random times, because Apple is not an official sponsor of any tennis event.

Media coverage ? Oh my god either I was imagining things or someone photoshopped Serena Williams into the opening red carper of every high profile glitz event for the last five years. And yeah, she got all those cameo roles in prime time TV shows because of her "acting" "ability". Not. She got them because of who she is. Serena Williams.

And the point about MJF not coming up with Tactics for Serena to beat Pova...well....DUH. If you are winning 6-1 6-1 what more is there to say ? As a tennis commentator it is MJF's job to come up with an analysis and offer an explanation of what Maria is/was doing badly and what she could do differently to win. Serena is already winning why does she need advice.

AUGH. I need a drink.

:confused: Serena doesnt have a clothing contract?!?!?! I'm pretty sure Nike pays her more than they pay Sharapova.....lol

missvarsha
Apr 20th, 2008, 06:50 PM
I'm pretty sure Nike pays her more than they pay Sharapova.....lol

Oh good so she gets paid for not even wearing their clothes. Thanks for making my point. The thread starter was acting like poor Serena Williams was going from company to company with a begging bowl and they kept turning her away. I just wanted to say that maybe she just endorses what she wants, and is happy to make $10 mill instead of $20 mill.
In the past I have been irritated by Serena's cavalier attitude towards tennis - not only is it her job, but its also the job that got her all her fame fortune and choices in life. So yeah, she DOES owe tennis something. But at the same time I really admire her for not being a complete sellout and marketing agency drone, as Sharapova sometimes seems to be.

Tennisstar86
Apr 20th, 2008, 06:55 PM
Oh good so she gets paid for not even wearing their clothes. Thanks for making my point. The thread starter was acting like poor Serena Williams was going from company to company with a begging bowl and they kept turning her away. I just wanted to say that maybe she just endorses what she wants, and is happy to make $10 mill instead of $20 mill.
In the past I have been irritated by Serena's cavalier attitude towards tennis - not only is it her job, but its also the job that got her all her fame fortune and choices in life. So yeah, she DOES owe tennis something. But at the same time I really admire her for not being a complete sellout and marketing agency drone, as Sharapova sometimes seems to be.

Ummm... Serena does wear their clothes..... everything she wears has the nike logo on it.....

dwynn10
Apr 20th, 2008, 07:00 PM
Pova hasn't taken anything from Serena. Yes her picture is
strung up all over the place. Larry Scott probably strung them
all up himself. She is a Star in Larry and a few media peoples mind.
Oh..and some of her fans. People who know tennis know who puts
butts in the seats, and people outside tennis don't know who
Pova is. Whether its involved with Tennis, or the red carpet, or
the big and little screen people know who Serena is.
She has reached one name status.

Hmm, you might be overreaching there. I doubt Serena is so famous that she's reached the one-name status enjoyed by celebs like Madonna, Cher, Tiger, Beyonce, Beckham, etc. Tennis doesn't rank as the most popular sport in the US or in the world, but among US female tennis players, she and Venus are the most well-known, most accomplished, and have the most unique names. Therefore, the average Joe Blows might be able to name her and Venus for those reasons, but not because they slavishly follow the sisters' careers, like the fans here. (The only reason I call Serena and her sister by their first names is to avoid confusing them with one another.) If being the pest paid female athlete indicates popularity with the general public, then, without a doubt, Shriekie is the most popular, at least as of 2007.

Emina.
Apr 20th, 2008, 07:21 PM
so much hate against a beautiful white tennis star.

wtaworld.com ;)
its a different world out there where Maria Sharapova is respected :)

Svetlana.
Apr 20th, 2008, 07:30 PM
wtaworld.com ;)
its a different world out there where Maria Sharapova is respected :)

your point is taken ;) but not all wtaworld disrespects Masha, only a certain group of people here.

Becool
Apr 20th, 2008, 07:55 PM
I think and i'm right about it. No need to argue about that. We all know people in general find Sharapova way more beautiful than Serena.
And my basis is the fact that if models look more like Maria and model is a concept of beauty for people in general, than, DOH, Maria IS more beautiful than Serena. ALTHOUGH there are always exeptions, like you, and probably the rest of Serena fans who are, well, Serena fans so they like her. :confused:
Just to remember you, Serena is not only known by her tennis fans.. she IS considered beautiful.. if she wasn't she wouldn't be getting Avon deals and appearing on Vogue and Cosmopolitan's covers..
We're stating that like you, people feels that girls who are considered to be more beautiful are the blond and white chicks.. and the black people who are considered beautiful have caucasian lines on their faces.. (Halle Berry, Beyonce.. ) Serena is a non-mixed black girl, who is considered to be VERY beautiful. .and I'm not black, I'm caucasian, and I find Serena more attractive than most girls on tour, including Sharapova.. so don't go saying I'm American and black..

You guys can give me bad reps for this and stuff, but when subjects like this come up, you always get a slighty vibe of racism, of people who don't find Serena and Venus beautiful.. (you can't deny that they are beautiful).. and manage to bring them down and boast the beauty usually of the russians (they're all blond, blue eyes and white..)

Morrissey
Apr 20th, 2008, 08:01 PM
Sharapova is an overrated mug this girl is just not attractive. Yes Sharapova is a solid player and a champion but she's hyped up because she is WHITE, TALL, THIN, and BLONDE. Sharapova apppeals to the Eurocentric obsessions of North America.

Tennisstar86
Apr 20th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Sharapova is an overrated mug this girl is just not attractive. Yes Sharapova is a solid player and a champion but she's hyped up because she is WHITE, TALL, THIN, and BLONDE. Sharapova apppeals to the Eurocentric obsessions of North America.

or more likely Sharapova appeals to the majority.. as she is the majority in America..... im sure there are some racist....

but a lot of it is. When the majority (little white girls) look at the tv who can they be more like... Serena williams who they cant look like... or Maria Sharpova, who they also cant look like (and who would want to, shes not ugly, but shes def not anything amazing, dime a dozen?) but at least have the same skin tone...

Svetlana.
Apr 20th, 2008, 08:13 PM
Sharapova is an overrated mug this girl is just not attractive. Yes Sharapova is a solid player and a champion but she's hyped up because she is WHITE, TALL, THIN, and BLONDE. Sharapova apppeals to the Eurocentric obsessions of North America.

I don't have anything against blacks in North America, do you have a problem with whites?

Jasmin
Apr 20th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Actually Serena williams is very popular around the world. Serena in 2000 was worth 65 million dollars, and venus worth 100 million, in 2004 Serena signed a 50 million dollar contract with nike, Venus was still on her 40 million dollar contract. Sharapova uses her looks to eat. So Vee and Ree are worth way more than sharapova.

I like your style. I'm not even a Henin fan but if she were considered attractive she too would be more popular since she has more slams and the diverse game that normally puts her ahead of Maria. Not that Henin wins all the time but even Henin is more talented.

So You Say
Apr 20th, 2008, 09:10 PM
There is also alot of hate and jealousy towards two beautiful talented black tennis players. But why?:confused:

Who would they be?

supergrunt
Apr 20th, 2008, 09:17 PM
just in the world of tennis commentating

OrdinaryfoolisNJ
Apr 20th, 2008, 09:38 PM
Personally, I think that Venus Williams is the best looker of the women at the top, especially in the last year. I'd like to see her do more covers and commercials. That said, Shriek and Serena and even Venus are doing just fine in the media and have no complaints. The person who I think gets a raw deal is Justine Henin. She was the number one player last year, yet I don't see TMZ caring too much about who she's dating or what she's doing. Perhaps its different outside of the USA. Still, I'm sure even Henin is sitting pretty with her shoe and clothing contracts, etc. None of these top women have any complaints when it comes to success inside or outside of tennis. At least at the moment.

Harvs
Apr 20th, 2008, 09:50 PM
maria is more marketable... thats y

Jasmin
Apr 20th, 2008, 10:15 PM
Y is Maria marketable...because she's the standard for beauty in such #*#@!country.

She's talented but not the most talented when it comes tomes to Serena, Henin and venus. I don't even like Henin but her talent is obvious and it's obvious they don't make over her when she has more talented.

canuckfan
Apr 20th, 2008, 10:39 PM
Y is Maria marketable...because she's the standard for beauty in such #*#@!country.

She's talented but not the most talented when it comes tomes to Serena, Henin and venus. I don't even like Henin but her talent is obvious and it's obvious they don't make over her when she has more talented.

But the average consumer has no idea that Maria has poor movement and isn't really good at the net, or that Henin has the best one handed backhand on the tour. Maria wins slams. It's good enough for everyone, except for the hardcore (or jealous) fans from wtaworld.

tennistuff
Apr 21st, 2008, 03:22 AM
But the average consumer has no idea that Maria has poor movement and isn't really good at the net, or that Henin has the best one handed backhand on the tour. Maria wins slams. It's good enough for everyone, except for the hardcore (or jealous) fans from wtaworld.

Because the media machine is working. But it must be stopped.

Svetlana.
Apr 21st, 2008, 03:27 AM
Because the media machine is working. But it must be stopped.

:lol: and who is going to stop it? and why?

because you don't like Maria... it could be a valid point for you, but it's not enough for the rest of us.

tennistuff
Apr 21st, 2008, 03:35 AM
:lol: and who is going to stop it? and why?

because you don't like Maria... it could be a valid point for you, but it's not enough for the rest of us.

Have you looked at the Thread "The rest of us" is divided Just as many think it is not fair and BS There are more poeple in this world who don't look like Maria than do. And their voices are starting to be heard.:)

Svetlana.
Apr 21st, 2008, 03:47 AM
Have you looked at the Thread "The rest of us" is divided Just as many think it is not fair and BS There are more poeple in this world who don't look like Maria than do. And their voices are starting to be heard.:)

For the people that don't look like Maria there are so many other options, products and models that represent those products. There are TV programs, newspapers and magazins in the States and in the world designed for people that don't look like Maria. But, if you don't see that it's too bad for you and nothing would change your mind

canuckfan
Apr 21st, 2008, 03:55 AM
Have you looked at the Thread "The rest of us" is divided Just as many think it is not fair and BS There are more poeple in this world who don't look like Maria than do. And their voices are starting to be heard.:)

Well the division comes from a few Serena fans. Most people don't give a shit actually.

How are their voices starting to be heard? Are they boycotting Canon?

Bingain
Apr 21st, 2008, 04:44 AM
Y is Maria marketable...because she's the standard for beauty in such #*#@!country.

She's talented but not the most talented when it comes tomes to Serena, Henin and venus. I don't even like Henin but her talent is obvious and it's obvious they don't make over her when she has more talented.


Marketability may or may not be related to proven talent or achievements.

According to Forbes, Nike spends $2 billion a year on marketing, so it's a pretty good example for this discussion. The 6th biggest Nike superstar endorser is Michelle Wie (Korean American golfer), who has yet to win a tournament. Federer is #4, and Sharapova is #7.

And marketability isn't really '#*#@!country' related, even though American stars should have an edge because of the size of the US consumer market. According to the same source, Nike's #1 is Ronaldinho (not white, not black, and I don't find him attractive ^_^); #2 is Tiger Woods (so mixed he can't categorize himself); #3 is Michael Jordan (black, and yeah, he's retired, but still gets paid $20m+/year by Nike).

svetaisthebest
Apr 21st, 2008, 04:48 AM
As shallow as it may be, if Serena looked like Gabriel Union/Halle Berry/Thandie Newton (insert
any other sexy black women here) she'd be much more endorsed than she is now.
Maria may not be the most attractive girl to some, but she is conventionally very beautiful which is why she gets so many endorsements. Anna Kournikova also got many because of her looks. She has decent results but so do many players who don't get the millions of dollars Anna did. Maria backs up her beauty with great results hence the extremely high pay offs.
Serena is attractive in her way, but to many she's just not as marketable. That's pretty much it.

thast so true :worship:

nestor_bgd
Apr 21st, 2008, 09:25 AM
Oh vanity! So Serena of you! Since I am the fairest of them all, and the best player of them all, why not the most exposed! Buhu :mad: She should get a good manager and get over with it if more publicity is what she wants! :help: But I’m afraid not much can be done!!! :sad:

OsloErik
Apr 21st, 2008, 09:36 AM
Last year Maria was one of the highest paid in all of sports male or female $26 mil + Serena is not even close to that. It took Serena 5 years to make that amount.

At the end of 2000, Venus signed the biggest deal of all time with Reebok. She had won 2 slams. Hingis had won 5, and hadn't REALLY dropped off the top yet.

Every time the next-big-thing breaks through, they shatter the previous money record. It doesn't have as much to do with popularity and stardom (because all of them are popular and have star quality, that's why they get money to be seen) as it has to do with the advancement of tennis as a sport and the inflation of the athletic endorsement.

The generation of Hingis, Kournikova, Venus, and Serena from 1997-2002 broke all kinds of media barriers. Tennis hadn't been very exciting or public-interested since Borg dropped off the planet in 1981. Not even the Navratilova-Evert rivalry could keep the popularity at it late 70's frenzy (in the United States, where the biggest money has traditionally been). Graf got Europe going again. Hingis kept it going. Kournikova got it going in the USA again (it hadn't really mattered since Evert emerged) and Venus and Serena improved on that.

Maria is the next in a long line of tennis players who double as spokesperson for the tour. Since 2004, she has won 1 slam more than Serena, and in some ways Serena is kind of old news. She's an institution; people hear Serena Williams and they know who she is, and they have an opinion about her. Sharapova hasn't hit that yet, but she's getting there. She has almost the same things going for her as Serena. They both appeal to men, they both emerged as stars at young ages, and they both seem content to continue in that stardom without losing their tennis focus. It stands to reason that in five or ten years, there will be another media darling who will surpass Sharapova, and so on, and so on.

I'm aware that the United States is hyper aware of race, but this seems a stretch to me. Race wasn't the reason Venus got that Reebok deal. It's because she had star quality and was new. Race wasn't the reason Hingis got endorsements greater than Steffi Graf; she made headlines for more than just tennis. That's the factor. It's happened that way since Chris Evert made tennis sexy. Any player with huge star power who emerges five to ten years since another player with huge star power has emerged will be a media star, and likely surpass the monetary achievements of the previous tennis star.

tennistuff
Apr 21st, 2008, 12:47 PM
At the end of 2000, Venus signed the biggest deal of all time with Reebok. She had won 2 slams. Hingis had won 5, and hadn't REALLY dropped off the top yet.

Every time the next-big-thing breaks through, they shatter the previous money record. It doesn't have as much to do with popularity and stardom (because all of them are popular and have star quality, that's why they get money to be seen) as it has to do with the advancement of tennis as a sport and the inflation of the athletic endorsement.

The generation of Hingis, Kournikova, Venus, and Serena from 1997-2002 broke all kinds of media barriers. Tennis hadn't been very exciting or public-interested since Borg dropped off the planet in 1981. Not even the Navratilova-Evert rivalry could keep the popularity at it late 70's frenzy (in the United States, where the biggest money has traditionally been). Graf got Europe going again. Hingis kept it going. Kournikova got it going in the USA again (it hadn't really mattered since Evert emerged) and Venus and Serena improved on that.

Maria is the next in a long line of tennis players who double as spokesperson for the tour. Since 2004, she has won 1 slam more than Serena, and in some ways Serena is kind of old news. She's an institution; people hear Serena Williams and they know who she is, and they have an opinion about her. Sharapova hasn't hit that yet, but she's getting there. She has almost the same things going for her as Serena. They both appeal to men, they both emerged as stars at young ages, and they both seem content to continue in that stardom without losing their tennis focus. It stands to reason that in five or ten years, there will be another media darling who will surpass Sharapova, and so on, and so on.

I'm aware that the United States is hyper aware of race, but this seems a stretch to me. Race wasn't the reason Venus got that Reebok deal. It's because she had star quality and was new. Race wasn't the reason Hingis got endorsements greater than Steffi Graf; she made headlines for more than just tennis. That's the factor. It's happened that way since Chris Evert made tennis sexy. Any player with huge star power who emerges five to ten years since another player with huge star power has emerged will be a media star, and likely surpass the monetary achievements of the previous tennis star.

Did you see the US. Open series commercials last year? When they showed Serena it was her ability on the court. When they showed MAria it was about the lights and camera how Glam. She is "I feel Pretty" Etc. This is what I mean by spoon fed by the media. When she loses the commentators speak about what a bad day she had not what a good day the other girl had. You would have to be blind not to see the slant.

SOA_MC
Apr 21st, 2008, 01:04 PM
Did you see the US. Open series commercials last year? When they showed Serena it was her ability on the court. When they showed MAria it was about the lights and camera how Glam. She is "I feel Pretty" Etc. This is what I mean by spoon fed by the media. When she loses the commentators speak about what a bad day she had not what a good day the other girl had. You would have to be blind not to see the slant.

So true when she lost against Radwanska at the US Open they spent the next 3 days of their coverage going on and on and on about how Radwanska was a dirty little cheat by dancing around on second serves.

tennistuff
Apr 21st, 2008, 01:19 PM
So true when she lost against Radwanska at the US Open they spent the next 3 days of their coverage going on and on and on about how Radwanska was a dirty litle cheat by dancing around on second serves.

You are 100% correct:bounce:

kjn
Apr 21st, 2008, 01:24 PM
I would say that in areas where tennis isn't so popular like here in the Philippines(or I should say southeast Asia) Maria is the bigger star. We see her pictures everywhere(sometimes 3 pics of Masha in just one magazine). They know that there aren't many blonds here in Asia.

When Masha played the exhibition match against Chakvetadze in Singapore, right after she left the court some crazy fans slocked on the chair she sat on and they looked as if they were ready to die because they touched that chair. That's how crazy some people can get.:confused:

When Masha and Chakvetadze arrived in HK together, I noticed that all the reporters all flocked to Masha and completely ignored Anna(poor Anna) even if she was right behind Masha.

miffedmax
Apr 21st, 2008, 04:25 PM
I think it's BS.



It's the same thing with Sharapova. For the average person, she's the "hot blonde russian who's actually good at tennis, unlike the other hot blonde russian". They have no idea she won Wimbledon at 17, or that she struggled in 2007.



Hey, Lena D's not that bad at tennis.

Helen Lawson
Apr 21st, 2008, 04:28 PM
Helen, you have similar experiences in Hollywood, being a redhead didn’t you?

Yes, I did. Sam Cohn (head of Columbia) wanted me to go platinum blonde or else be relegated to supporting roles! No way, I told him, they don't call me "red" because I'm a blonde. So, I worked in supporting roles until my contract was up and then made it big in Walter Wanger vehicles as an "independent." And let me tell you, I stole those movies, Reap the Wild Wind is just one I ran away with as the gutsy red-head. So, my hair color did delay my becoming a Hollywood legend/superstar.

serenafan08
Apr 21st, 2008, 04:32 PM
It's because Maria is a white girl in a country run by white men in high places. Of course she's going to get attention - she's tall, skinny, attractive, and people envy her. Ask most white people who their favorite tennis player is and they'll say Maria Sharapova. Ask most black people who their favorite player is and they'll say either Serena or Venus. I'm not trying to be racist, I'm just telling it like I see it.

miffedmax
Apr 21st, 2008, 05:02 PM
Yes, I did. Sam Cohn (head of Columbia) wanted me to go platinum blonde or else be relegated to supporting roles! No way, I told him, they don't call me "red" because I'm a blonde. So, I worked in supporting roles until my contract was up and then made it big in Walter Wanger vehicles as an "independent." And let me tell you, I stole those movies, Reap the Wild Wind is just one I ran away with as the gutsy red-head. So, my hair color did delay my becoming a Hollywood legend/superstar.

I've maintained for quite some time the tour needs a nice, tall feisty redhead.

Helen Lawson
Apr 21st, 2008, 05:15 PM
I've maintained for quite some time the tour needs a nice, tall feisty redhead.


Well, most redheads can't be out in the sun, so they probably don't get into tennis at a young age. And it's really hard to have a decent dye job for red, too, even today. I think our chances of finding an on-court Helen are slim!

pov
Apr 21st, 2008, 05:23 PM
It's because Maria is a white girl in a country run by white men in high places. Of course she's going to get attention - she's tall, skinny, attractive, and people envy her. Ask most white people who their favorite tennis player is and they'll say Maria Sharapova. Ask most black people who their favorite player is and they'll say either Serena or Venus. I'm not trying to be racist, I'm just telling it like I see it.

Yeah but the way you see it may well be influenced by assumptions rooted in ethnic bias.;) The way I see it is that "white people" are very varied in who they consider their favorite player. "Black people" are also varied in their choices.

serenafan08
Apr 21st, 2008, 05:37 PM
Yeah but the way you see it may well be influenced by assumptions rooted in ethnic bias.;) The way I see it is that "white people" are very varied in who they consider their favorite player. "Black people" are also varied in their choices.

My point exactly - this country is rooted in ethnic bias. People of the same ethnicities stick together; white people support other white people, black people support other black people. Not saying that people of different ethnic backgrounds don't support each other, but for the most part people support other people from the same ethnicity. Because this country is predominately white and Maria Sharapova is white, she'll get the most support.

matty
Apr 21st, 2008, 05:44 PM
Is it because of blond/ white? Not really.... The fact is that there are many other blond/white players on the tour who aren't considered nearly as marketable.


...but are they also pretty AND thin? I think Serena is gorgeous, but unfortanetly in many cultures, thin is considered beautiful-and Serena is not thin (but very lovely and voluptuous). So i guess we both have a point because Marion Jones and Halle Berry are both thin and pretty.

I don't know if that makes sense...all I know is that I really like Serena!

Helen Lawson
Apr 21st, 2008, 05:58 PM
Marion Jones has really bad teeth, she's not in Serena's league lookswise and certain not in Halle Berry's.

So You Say
Apr 21st, 2008, 06:17 PM
...but are they also pretty AND thin? I think Serena is gorgeous, but unfortanetly in many cultures, thin is considered beautiful-and Serena is not thin (but very lovely and voluptuous). So i guess we both have a point because Marion Jones and Halle Berry are both thin and pretty.

I don't know if that makes sense...all I know is that I really like Serena!

Yet you have the voluptuous Hantuchova as your avatar, funny, huh.

KBdoubleu
Apr 21st, 2008, 06:19 PM
Yeah but the way you see it may well be influenced by assumptions rooted in ethnic bias.;) The way I see it is that "white people" are very varied in who they consider their favorite player. "Black people" are also varied in their choices.

Exactly. I hate the fact that fans of the Williams sisters are seemingly always assumed to be black. Venus and Serena are two of my favorite players and I am white. I also come from a nearly all white town. I am not a fan of any particular player because of their looks or skin color, and I would hope other people would base who their favorite player is on the players' game not appearance.

KBdoubleu
Apr 21st, 2008, 06:20 PM
Yet you have the voluptuous Hantuchova as your avatar, funny, huh.

How does that indicate who he/she thinks is beautiful? Hantuchova is obviously one of his/her favorite players.

-VSR-
Apr 21st, 2008, 06:37 PM
Oh my, this thread is the biggest joke I've ever seen. The Sharapova freaks, I mean fans are going wild. :o

So You Say
Apr 21st, 2008, 06:53 PM
I’ve heard it said, Maria hates being beautiful. Maria has confessed she can't stand the fact people judge her exclusively on the fact she has a pretty face and slim body - and feels she would be more liked if she had more flaws. She also says just because, looks-wise she fits the American stereotype, she has a life wracked with problems.

It kind of irritates me that Maria’s seen as just this pretty face. People are always commenting she’s too thin. The truth is, pretty people aren't as accepted as other people. It comes with all these stigmas. It's like, 'She's pretty and thin, so she's got to have problems. She must be anorexic or depressed or bitchy'.

Ridiculous!

So You Say
Apr 21st, 2008, 06:55 PM
Marion Jones has really bad teeth, she's not in Serena's league lookswise and certain not in Halle Berry's.

:lol: Marion Jones had to give up her three gold medals and her titles because she used steroids. The last black person to give up this much gold at one time was M.C. Hammer.

Tamus
Apr 21st, 2008, 07:25 PM
When she loses the commentators speak about what a bad day she had not what a good day the other girl had. You would have to be blind not to see the slant.

After Serena beat Maria in Charleston, I didn't hear anyone say "oh, Maria just had a bad day." In fact, during their match, the commentators stated that Serena controlled the matchup, and the outcome of it would be determined by how well she plays.

So You Say
Apr 21st, 2008, 07:27 PM
How does that indicate who he/she thinks is beautiful? Hantuchova is obviously one of his/her favorite players.

Matty:Feb 26th, 2008, 03:54 PM: I wish they would use those gorgeous ones that someone posted where she is not wearing so much make-up. I think she looks best when she is wearing just a little bit of make-up and smiling

Matty:Mar 30th, 2008, 06:09 PM: I think Dani would have looked cute in that "preppy" outfit.

Matty:Mar 20th, 2008, 04:17 PM: I hope somebody stops Maria-I just have never been a fan of arrogant people

Look, don’t try and come across with all this butter won’t melt attitude concerning that despicable cretin ‘matty’. We all know he hates Maria with a vengeance, and at ANY opportunity, he bad mouths her when he can.

Jasmin
Apr 21st, 2008, 09:02 PM
Exactly. I hate the fact that fans of the Williams sisters are seemingly always assumed to be black. Venus and Serena are two of my favorite players and I am white. I also come from a nearly all white town. I am not a fan of any particular player because of their looks or skin color, and I would hope other people would base who their favorite player is on the players' game not appearance.

ITA.

tennistuff
Apr 21st, 2008, 09:05 PM
I’ve heard it said, Maria hates being beautiful. Maria has confessed she can't stand the fact people judge her exclusively on the fact she has a pretty face and slim body - and feels she would be more liked if she had more flaws. She also says just because, looks-wise she fits the American stereotype, she has a life wracked with problems.

It kind of irritates me that Maria’s seen as just this pretty face. People are always commenting she’s too thin. The truth is, pretty people aren't as accepted as other people. It comes with all these stigmas. It's like, 'She's pretty and thin, so she's got to have problems. She must be anorexic or depressed or bitchy'.

Ridiculous!

Because you do not understand that people are tired of a double standard in this country. Maria make more money and is better for the marketing comapnies because she is so great looking and Serena is not BS. When Venus and Serena come out and where on top of tennis the exposure which they got. Was not even close to all of the hype with Maria. Even in America they would rather promote a Russian non-American than a Black American. When the Olympics comes this summer and we get our butts kicked by the Russians I want to see if American companies love Maria so much. 100% for sure we will not get a gold medal in this Olympics.:fiery:

Helen Lawson
Apr 21st, 2008, 09:25 PM
^^^ I disagree somewhat, Venus got hyped like hell as a teen just like Maria. Only Maria actually came through with a major at 17 which catapulted her. Before that Wimbledon win by Maria, I'd say the Maria hype v. the Venus hype when Venus was her age were pretty equal. Maria fans will hate this, and Venus fans will hate this, but those gals are lot more alike than you'd care to recognize. The difference is how they turned the hype and results into dollars. Venus and Serena makes loads and loads in endorsements, certainly at the high end of the tour and I imagine only second to Maria. But Maria is tall, blonde and white, so she appeals to the public more.

tennistuff
Apr 21st, 2008, 09:47 PM
^^^ I disagree somewhat, Venus got hyped like hell as a teen just like Maria. Only Maria actually came through with a major at 17 which catapulted her. Before that Wimbledon win by Maria, I'd say the Maria hype v. the Venus hype when Venus was her age were pretty equal. Maria fans will hate this, and Venus fans will hate this, but those gals are lot more alike than you'd care to recognize. The difference is how they turned the hype and results into dollars. Venus and Serena makes loads and loads in endorsements, certainly at the high end of the tour and I imagine only second to Maria. But Maria is tall, blonde and white, so she appeals to the public more.

You see this statement is the problem "Maria is tall, blonde and white, so she appeals to the public more" This is old school thinking New school is Barack Obama is more appealing to the public than the Blonde. People are becoming fed up with how things have always been. In todays times being Black makes you more marketable not less. This is the HIP HOP Generation. Generation H.

Helen Lawson
Apr 21st, 2008, 10:03 PM
You see this statement is the problem "Maria is tall, blonde and white, so she appeals to the public more" This is old school thinking New school is Barack Obama is more appealing to the public than the Blonde. People are becoming fed up with how things have always been. In todays times being Black makes you more marketable not less. This is the HIP HOP Generation. Generation H.

I don't necessarily see that statement as a problem. It's the facts, Maria's appearance appeals to a wider audience. I've posted this link a million times, one of the most successful madams today defines most men's fantasy woman as (1) tall, (2) blonde, (3) under 25, (4) beautiful, and (5) full-figured. Maria isn't necessarily (5), but she's (1)-(3) and arguably (4) and few others on the tennis circuit with her results (no others??) come close. Hence, the ridiculous money.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/barrows1.html



I do think Americans look deeper when choosing a president versus buying a watch or a camera, though. I HOPE SO!!! If you think there aren't loads of white people out there who would never, ever vote for Barack Obama, you're kidding yourself. Based on on-court results, Maria should not be making so much more than the usual suspects in the Top 10, but she is. I think being black has made the Williams more marketable in some respects, but think how many endorsements they've likewise lost because they're black? Two-edged sword. You have to admit, if Maria was black, she would not be making $25 million a year in endorsements as she is now. Maria is good looking, but turn her into a black person, she's no Tyra Banks or Halle Berry in the looks department if that's where you're trying to go.

tennistuff
Apr 21st, 2008, 10:13 PM
I don't necessarily see that statement as a problem. It's the facts, Maria's appearance appeals to a wider audience. I've posted this link a million times, one of the most successful madams today defines most men's fantasy woman as (1) tall, (2) blonde, (3) under 25, (4) beautiful, and (5) full-figured. Maria isn't necessarily (5), but she's (1)-(3) and arguably (4) and few others on the tennis circuit with her results (no others??) come close. Hence, the ridiculous money.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/barrows1.html



I do think Americans look deeper when choosing a president versus buying a watch or a camera, though. I HOPE SO!!! If you think there aren't loads of white people out there who would never, ever vote for Barack Obama, you're kidding yourself. Based on on-court results, Maria should not be making so much more than the usual suspects in the Top 10, but she is. I think being black has made the Williams more marketable in some respects, but think how many endorsements they've likewise lost because they're black? Two-edged sword. You have to admit, if Maria was black, she would not be making $25 million a year in endorsements as she is now. Maria is good looking, but turn her into a black person, she's no Tyra Banks or Halle Berry in the looks department if that's where you're trying to go.

Helen I like your style. My point is that The demographic in America are changing the statement you made was more true yesterday than to day. There are now today more Black and Brown and Yellow people in this world than White. That is just the fact. And because of YouTube the internet and Hip hop music. Things are being looked at on a more Global Scale. "Maria" will become less marketable because she will not represent the majority.:)

OsloErik
Apr 21st, 2008, 10:31 PM
Ask most white people who their favorite tennis player is and they'll say Maria Sharapova. Ask most black people who their favorite player is and they'll say either Serena or Venus.

Is that really the case? I always get the impression that non-tennis fans have only a vague notion of who Maria Sharapova is, whereas the Williams sisters are an institution. Even in Europe, where their American bluntness doesn't go over very well, they are well known. And of actual tennis fans, I would imagine that they would have more sense than to like players solely because of petty constructions like race.