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laurie
Apr 16th, 2008, 10:58 PM
Someone started this thread on Tennis Warehouse. It's really caught on big time (they don't talk that much womens Tennis there usually) , so I thought I would canvass opinion here. Opinion over there seems evenly split with a slight edge to Graf. For Ivanovic, it's the usual argument that today, they hit harder than before so Ivanovic has the better forehand.

My opinion? Having seen both players live over the years, I can say that in the last 12 months Ana's forehand has been amazing, it's an inspired shot, when it's on she hits those winners by sheer instinct and it's breathtaking to watch. But I think her game can go off too. I think Graf has technically an amazing forehand - despite cracking the ball off the hip often, her movement to get into position was also amazing (running around backhand to hit forehand often) her down the line forehand and inside out forehand were special shots. I think Graf takes it.

That's my opinion, what's yours? :wavey:

tennisbear7
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:00 PM
Graf.

Only because she has better footwork.

Dave.
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:02 PM
I love Ana, and her forehand is good, but Steffi's is the best of all time. I wouldn't even compare Lindsay's FH to Steffi's, let alone Ana's. Steffi's FH was a high-risk shot, but she could rely on it so much of the time over her very long career. Her footwork was unmatched aswell.

GrafMariaPetraK
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:02 PM
Graf

Anabelcroft
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:05 PM
Graf had a better forehand because she could do anything with it and with power!Ivanovic also can do anything with her forehand,but not always!Sometimes she does not have a control and that is the main difference plus foot work!

tiptop
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:08 PM
http://www.tennisserver.com/turbo/images/pilotpen98/GRAF1.JPG


Graf's hands-down. I mean it has carried her to 22 Slams after all. And that inside out forehand looked like a cowboy shooting from the hip - deadly.

Steffica Greles
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:09 PM
Nobody's quite matches up to Graf's.

The best in women's tennis at the moment are those of Ivanovic, Dementieva, and then further down the list Davenport and Serena because all of her shots carry weight. Last year, Henin's forehand was the best in tennis.

So, Ivanovic vs Graf:

The one area where Ivanovic outflanks Graf is that her forehand down-the-line is a much more natural shot. Graf only hit that shot when she had to, and being the great champion she was, in the moments when she needed to pull them out them bag, she could. But she sometimes lost matches to Seles or Sanchez-Vicario she might have won had she hit that shot at will. Ivanovic does hit that shot as much at will as any player ever has.

That said, nobody comes close to Graf. She hit far more rhythmically than any other player ever has done on the forehand - Ivanovic, Dementieva, Davenport, etc, only accelerate at select moments, when they pick their spot and nail a winner.

Graf nailed ALL of her forehands. There were no lofty, topspun defensive shots. As soon as Graf was able to hit her forehand, her opponents cowered in fear, almost as if waiting for a crack of thunder.

Another thing to remember about Graf's forehand was the angles she produced, the depth she always hit to, and the LOW centre of gravity at which she hit. Her forehands - and backhands, for that matter -- were hit SO low over the net, which gave her opponents less leverage to produce powerful replies.

Yet Steffi could also handle lofty shots to her forehand, as she showed against Martinez and Sabatini. She was able to jump into each shot, both feet in the air, such was her athleticism. She was an unrealised ballet dancer. Her footwork, along with her arm speed, produced the shot.

Graf could always reply with greater depth and power, from depth and power - as Venus Williams found in these clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd7_hUhRRvA

In short, she hit the best forehand ever. Nothing matches up to it.

mauresmofan
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:10 PM
Graf wins this easily I haven't seen a single shot in the womens game that's ever wreaked as much havok against every player she played. I remember her playing in the mixed at Wimbledon in 99 and cracking clean winners off of Justin Gimmelstobs mighty serve with her forehand.

Expat
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:13 PM
graf because her forehand was rarely off
ivanovic on the other hand when its off :help:

bwahahahahaha
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:13 PM
Ivanovic

Steffica Greles
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:16 PM
Ivanovic

Were you born in 2000?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd7_hUhRRvA (for your edification)

CosmicDefender
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:20 PM
Which idiot would even attempt to compare a 22 slam winner's any shot to a zero slam winner overhyped girl's shots?

bwahahahahaha
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:20 PM
It's funny how people are talking about Graf as if she is some kind of super human :o Fact is she is the most overrated player in history. You wouldn't be worshiping her as much if someone could've stopped Parche or if the whack job had never existed :o:rolleyes:

dybbuk
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Steffi's forehand is greater. Her footwork, which is superior to basically any player on the women's tour, let alone Ana, is a big reason why.

I do disagree with some of the people saying Ana's forehand can be off though. Especially in comparison to other players who go for big shots on their forehand, the consistency Ana has match-to-match with her forehand is amazing. It can be off, but those matches are far and few between.

bwahahahahaha
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Were you born in 2000?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd7_hUhRRvA (for your edification)

No thank you.

Volcana
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Graf by a mile.

But Ivanovic is using a much more generous racket, which has a much bigger sweet spot, and a more flexible neck.

DA FOREHAND
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:26 PM
GRAF it's been called the greates shot in the history of tennis

CosmicDefender
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:27 PM
Graf >>>>> Lindsay / Mary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ivanovic

Craig.
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:37 PM
How can you even compare the two? Graf BY FAR.

dybbuk
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:39 PM
How can you even compare the two? Graf BY FAR.

While Steffi's forehand is better, it's an interesting comparison IMO. ESPN showed their forehands in slow-motion side-by-side, and they actually have many similarities.

Andy.
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:42 PM
Graf >>>>> Lindsay / Mary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ivanovic
Exactly I think Both Lindsay and Mary have or some might say have had better forehands than Ana. Her shot can be good but its no where near their league yet she still has some improvements to go.

sunsfuns
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:46 PM
How can you even compare the two? Graf BY FAR.

Why not? We are comparing just forehands not career accomplishments.

Dr Ivo has a better serve than Federer, doesn't mean he is a better player...

AcesHigh
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:46 PM
It's funny how people are talking about Graf as if she is some kind of super human :o Fact is she is the most overrated player in history. You wouldn't be worshiping her as much if someone could've stopped Parche or if the whack job had never existed :o:rolleyes:

:weirdo: Dumbest post in this thread by far

AcesHigh
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:47 PM
Graf by a mile.

But Ivanovic is using a much more generous racket, which has a much bigger sweet spot, and a more flexible neck.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. Racquet technology has advanced so much in so little time that it allows the shots of players today to look much better than the shots of players in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

bwahahahahaha
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:48 PM
:weirdo: Dumbest post in this thread by far

Prove me wrong.

bwahahahahaha
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:49 PM
Why not? We are comparing just forehands not career accomplishments.

Dr Ivo has a better serve than Federer, doesn't mean he is a better player...

Someone with common sense :eek: Thank you.

AcesHigh
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:50 PM
Prove me wrong.

I don't have to.. you provided nothing factual in your post and no one reputable or of common sense would agree with you.

Fact: Steffi has the most slams of anyone in the Open era
Fact: Steffi dominated every surface like no other player in the Open era

MOst people agree that Steffi's forehand is one of the greatest shots of all time
Most people agree that Steffi is the greatest female singles player of all time.

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:53 PM
Steffi will always be the best Ana is good merely good Steffi is the best of all time hell she could still be a top ten player ! Her accomplishments make ANYONE on the tour today look like pieces of crap! Hello!

bwahahahahaha
Apr 16th, 2008, 11:56 PM
I don't have to.. you provided nothing factual in your post and no one reputable or of common sense would agree with you.

Fact: Steffi has the most slams of anyone in the Open era
Fact: Steffi dominated every surface like no other player in the Open era

MOst people agree that Steffi's forehand is one of the greatest shots of all time
Most people agree that Steffi is the greatest female singles player of all time.

Also the only No.2 player in history who has been given a second chance to be the best again by one of her fans.

FrauleinSteffi
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:08 AM
Lets List her accomplishments which are undisputable...THE FACTS!!!!! and what others say about the Queen Steffi Graf!......

Stefanie Maria Graf (born June 14, 1969, in Mannheim, West Germany) is a former World No. 1 ranked female tennis player from Germany. Graf is widely considered to be one of the greatest female tennis players in history.[2] Graf won 22 Grand Slam singles titles, second among male and female players only to Margaret Court's 24. She also won 107 singles titles, which ranks her third on the list of most singles titles won during the open era, behind Martina Navratilova (167 titles) and Chris Evert (154 titles). In December 1999, Graf was named the greatest female tennis player of the 20th century by a panel of experts assembled by The Associated Press.[3] Tennis writer Steve Flink, in his book The Greatest Tennis Matches of the Twentieth Century, named her as the best female player of the 20th century.[4]

In 1988, Graf won the Olympic gold medal in singles and all four Grand Slam singles titles that year, becoming the first and only player to win the "Golden Slam."

She was ranked the Women's Tennis Association's No. 1 player for a record 377 total weeks – the longest of any player, male or female, since rankings began – and is the only player to have won all four Grand Slam singles tournaments (Wimbledon, the U.S. Open, the French Open, and the Australian Open) at least four times each. Graf also holds the record (eight) for most years as year end number one.[5]

A notable feature of Graf's game was her versatility across all playing surfaces. She won six French Open singles titles (second to Evert) and seven Wimbledon singles titles (third behind Navratilova and Helen Wills Moody). She is the only singles player to have achieved a Calendar Year Grand Slam across all three types of tennis courts, as the other Calendar Year Grand Slams won by other players occurred when the Australian and U.S. Opens were still played on grass. Graf reached thirteen consecutive Grand Slam singles finals, from the French Open in 1987 through the French Open in 1990, winning nine of them. She played in 36 Grand Slam singles tournaments from the 1987 French Open through the 1996 U.S. Open, reaching the finals 29 times and winning 21 titles. Her 22nd and last Grand Slam title was the French Open in 1999. She reached 31 Grand Slam singles finals, third overall behind Evert (34 finals) and Navratilova (32 finals).[citation needed]

Graf retired in 1999, giving her the distinction of being the highest ranked player ever to retire, at No. 3 in the world. She is married to the former World No. 1 men's tennis player Andre Agassi.

Singles
Career record: 902-115
Career titles: 107
(3rd in all-time rankings)
Highest ranking: No. 1 (August 17, 1987)
Grand Slam results
Australian Open W (1988, '89, '90, '94)
French Open W (1987, '88, '93, '95, '96, '99)
Wimbledon W (1988, '89, '91, '92, '93, '95, '96)
US Open W (1988, '89, '93, '95, '96)
Doubles
Career record: 173-72
Career titles: 11
Highest ranking: No. 5 (November 21, 1988)

The main weapon in Graf's game was her powerful inside-out forehand drive, which earned her the monicker "Fräulein Forehand". She often positioned herself in her backhand corner, and although this left her forehand wing open and vulnerable to attack, her court speed meant that only the most accurate shots wide to her forehand caused any trouble.

Her trademark forehand is legendary for its sheer beauty. She often hit it with both feet off the ground, as if in a "flying" motion, and she would land on her toes without losing balance. Elegant aesthetics also characterized Graf's court movement. The news media constantly likened her to a "gazelle" or "springbok"[citation needed] while Martina Navratilova considered her speed comparable to that of an Olympic long-distance runner.[citation needed]

Graf also had a powerful backhand drive but over the course of her career tended to use this less frequently, opting more often for her very effective backhand slice. In baseline rallies, she used the slice almost exclusively. Her accuracy with the slice, both crosscourt and down the line, and her ability to skid the ball and keep it low, enabled her to use it as an offensive weapon to set the ball up for her forehand putaways. Her topspin backhand was retained only for passing-shots, but as the number of net-rushers declined, her need for the shot lessened.

She built her powerful and accurate serve up to 180 km/h (110 mph), making it one of the fastest serves in women's tennis, and was a capable volleyer, but was often criticized for not using her volley more often. She was also very agile and athletic, chasing down balls that seemed unplayable. Her footwork was unique and instantly recognizable. Her powerful strokes are considered by many to have started the current trend of power baseline tennis that is common among professional women tennis players today.


[edit] Biography

[edit] Early career
Steffi was introduced to tennis by her father Peter Graf, a car and insurance salesman and aspiring tennis coach, who taught his three-year-old daughter how to swing a wooden racket in the family's living room. She began practicing on a court at the age of four and played in her first tournament at five. She soon began winning junior tournaments with regularity, and in 1982 she won the European Championships 12s and 18s.

Graf played in her first professional tournament in October 1982 at Stuttgart, Germany. She lost her first round match 6–4, 6–0 to Tracy Austin, a two-time U.S. Open champion and former World No. 1 player. Austin remarked of the then-thirteen year old Graf that "there are hundreds of girls like her in America." Twelve years later, Graf defeated Austin 6–0, 6–0 during a second round match in Indian Wells, California, which was their second and last match against each other.

At the start of her first full professional season in 1983, the 13-year-old Graf was ranked No. 124. She won no titles in the next three years, but her game improved consistently and her ranking climbed steadily to No. 98 in 1983, No. 22 in 1984, and No. 6 in 1985. In 1984, she first gained international attention when she almost upset the #10 seed, Jo Durie of the United Kingdom, in a fourth round Centre Court match at Wimbledon. In August, she represented West Germany in the tennis demonstration event at the Olympic Games in Los Angeles and won the event.

Graf's schedule was closely controlled by her father, Peter Graf, who limited her play so that she would not burn out. In 1985, for instance, she played only 10 events leading up to the U.S. Open, whereas another up-and-coming star, Gabriela Sabatini of Argentina, who was a year younger than Graf, played 21. Peter also kept a tight rein on Graf's personal life. Social invitations on the tour were often declined as Graf's focus was kept on practising and match play. Working with her father and then-coach Pavel Slozil, Graf typically practiced for up to four hours a day, often heading straight from airports to practice courts. This narrow focus meant that Graf, already shy and retiring by nature, made few friends on the tour in her early years, but it led to a steady improvement in her play.

1985 and early 1986 saw her emerge as the top challenger to the dominance of Martina Navratilova and Chris Evert. During that period, she lost six times to Evert and three times to Navratilova, all in straight sets. She did not win a tournament but consistently reached tournament finals and semifinals, with the highlight being her semifinal loss to Navratilova at the U.S Open.

On April 13, 1986, Graf won her first WTA tournament and beat Evert for the first time in the final of the Family Circle Cup in Hilton Head, South Carolina. She never lost to Evert again, beating her a further seven times over the next three and a half years. She then won her next three tournaments at Amelia Island, Charleston, and Berlin, culminating in a 6–2, 6–3 defeat of Navratilova in the final of the latter. At the French Open, Graf was the third seed but was seen by many as the tournament favorite. However, she caught a virus and lost to Hana Mandlikova in the quarterfinals 2–6, 7–6, 6–1. The illness caused her to miss Wimbledon, and an accident where she broke a toe several weeks later also curtailed her momentum. She returned to win a small tournament at Mahwah just before the U.S. Open where, in one of the most anticipated matches of the year, she encountered Navratilova in a semifinal. The match was played over two days with Navratilova finally winning after saving three match points 6–1, 6–7, 7–6. Graf then won three consecutive indoor titles at Tokyo, Zurich, and Brighton, before once again contending with Navratilova at the season-ending Virginia Slims Championships in New York City. This time, Navratilova beat Graf easily 7–6, 6–3, 6–2.


[edit] Breakthrough year
Graf's Grand Slam breakthrough came in 1987. She started the year strongly, with six tournament victories heading into the French Open, the highlight being at the tournament in Key Biscayne, Florida, where she defeated Martina Navratilova in a semifinal and Chris Evert in the final and conceded only 20 games in the seven rounds of the tournament. In the French Open final, Graf defeated Navratilova, who was the World No. 1, 6–4, 4–6, 8–6 after beating Gabriela Sabatini in a three-set semifinal.

Graf then lost to Navratilova 7–5, 6–3 in the Wimbledon final, her first loss of the year. However, in the Federation Cup final in Vancouver, Canada, three weeks later, she defeated Evert easily 6–2, 6–1. The U.S. Open ended anti-climactically as Navratilova defeated Graf in the final 7–6, 6–1.

Because Graf had lost to Navratilova in two of three Grand Slam finals in 1987 but had a superior record elsewhere (ten titles to Navratilova's four), the Virginia Slam Championships in November was expected to decide the World No. 1 for the year. Navratilova, however, was upset by Sabatini in the quarterfinals, and when Graf defeated Sabatini in the final, she clinched the top ranking in the eyes of most observers, finishing the year with a 74-2 match record.

Olympic medal record
Women's Tennis
Competitor for West Germany
Gold 1988 Seoul Singles
Bronze 1988 Seoul Doubles
Competitor for Germany
Silver 1992 Barcelona Singles

[edit] "Golden Slam"
Graf started 1988 by winning the Australian Open, defeating Chris Evert in the final 6–1, 7–6. Graf did not lose a set during the tournament and lost a total of only 29 games.

Graf lost twice to Gabriela Sabatini during the spring, once on hardcourts in Boca Raton, Florida and once on clay at Amelia Island, Florida. Graf, however, won the tournament in San Antonio, Texas and retained her title in Key Biscayne, Florida, where she once again defeated Evert in the final. Graf then won the tournament in Berlin, losing only twelve games in five matches.

At the French Open, Graf successfully defended her title by routing Natalia Zvereva 6–0, 6–0 in a 32-minute final. That was only the second-ever double bagel in a Grand Slam final, the other being in 1911. Zvereva, who had eliminated Martina Navratilova in the fourth round, won only thirteen points in the match. Graf lost a mere twenty games in the tournament, setting a record for the French Open in the open era.[citation needed]

Next came Wimbledon, where Navratilova had won six straight titles. Graf was trailing Navratilova in the final 7–5, 2–0 before winning the match 5–7, 6–2, 6–1. She then won tournaments in Hamburg and Mahwah (where she lost only eight games all tournament).

At the U.S. Open, Graf defeated Sabatini in a three-set final to win the Calendar Year Grand Slam, a feat previously performed by only two other women, Maureen Connolly Brinker in 1953 and Margaret Court in 1970.

Graf then defeated Sabatini 6–3, 6–3 in the gold medal match at the Olympic Games in Seoul and achieved what the media had dubbed the "Golden Slam."

Graf also won her only Grand Slam doubles title that year – at Wimbledon partnering Sabatini – and picked up a women's doubles Olympic bronze medal.

At the year-ending Virginia Slims Championships, Graf was upset by Pam Shriver, only her third loss of the year. She was named the 1988 BBC Overseas Sports Personality of the Year.


[edit] New challengers and personal challenges
Speculation was rife at the beginning of 1989 about the possibility of Graf winning another Grand Slam. Some noted observers, such as Margaret Court, suggested that Graf could achieve the feat a couple more times. And the year began as expected, with Graf extending her Grand Slam winning streak to five events at the Australian Open, defeating Helena Sukova in the final. Her 6–3, 6–0 defeat of Gabriela Sabatini in a semifinal was described by veteran observer Ted Tinling as "probably the best tennis I've seen".[6]

Graf followed this with easy victories in her next four tournaments at Washington, D.C., San Antonio, Texas, Boca Raton, Florida, and Hilton Head, South Carolina. The Washington final was notable because Graf won the first twenty points of the match against Zina Garrison. In the Boca Raton final, Graf lost the only set she conceded to Chris Evert in their final eight matches.

In the subsequent Amelia Island final on clay, Graf lost her first match of the year to Sabatini but returned to European clay with easy victories at Hamburg and Berlin.

Graf's Grand Slam winning streak ended at the 1989 French Open, where 17-year-old Spaniard Arantxa Sánchez Vicario beat Graf in three sets. Graf served for the match at 5–3 in the third set but lost the game at love and won only three more points in the match. She had struggled to beat Monica Seles in their semifinal 6–3, 3–6, 6–3 after being affected by food-poisoning the day before that match.

Graf, however, recovered to defeat Martina Navratilova 6–2, 6–7, 6–1 in the Wimbledon final after defeating Seles 6–0, 6–1 in a fourth round match, Sanchez Vicario in a quarterfinal, and Chris Evert in a semifinal.

Graf warmed up for the U.S. Open with easy tournament victories in San Diego and Mahwah. In her semifinal match at the U.S. Open, Graf defeated Sabatini 3–6, 6–4, 6–2. In the final, Navratilova led 6–3, 4–2 before Graf rallied to win 3–6, 7–5, 6–1 for her third Grand Slam singles title of the year.

Victories at Zurich and Brighton preceded the Virginia Slims Championships, where Graf cemented her top-ranked status by beating Navratilova in the final 6–4, 7–5, 2–6, 6–2. Graf ended 1989 with an 86-2 match record and the loss of only twelve sets.

In 1990, Graf defeated Mary Joe Fernández in the final of the Australian Open, which was her eighth Grand Slam singles title in the last nine she contested. Her winning streak (unbeaten since the 1989 French Open loss to Sanchez Vicario) continued with victories at Tokyo, Amelia Island, and Hamburg. At Berlin, she extended her unbeaten streak to 66 matches (second in WTA history to Navratilova's 74) before losing the final to Seles.

While the Berlin tournament was being played, the largest-circulation German tabloid, Bild, ran a story about Graf's father allegedly having an affair with a former Playboy model. The subsequent paternity suit brought by the model, Nicole Meissner, was covered extensively in the tabloids for the next two months. The difficulty of answering questions about the matter came to a head at a Wimbledon press conference, where Graf broke down in tears. Wimbledon authorities then threatened to immediately shut down any subsequent press conferences where questions about the issue were asked. The blackmail scheme eventually failed when DNA tests proved Peter was not the baby's father. Whether this scandal affected Graf's form is open to debate. In an interview with Stern magazine in July 1990, Graf stated, "I could not fight as usual."[7]

Graf again lost to Seles in the final of the French Open 7–6, 6–4, with Seles saving four consecutive set points in the first set tiebreaker. At Wimbledon, Graf was beaten unexpectedly in the semifinals by Garrison. After victories at Montreal and San Diego, Graf reached the U.S. Open final, where she lost in straight sets to Sabatini. Graf won four indoor tournaments after the U.S. Open, but lost again to Sabatini in a Virginia Slims Championships semifinal. Even though Graf won only one Grand Slam singles title in 1990, she finished the year as the top ranked player.

A mixture of injury problems, personal difficulties, and loss of form made 1991 a tough year for Graf. Seles established herself as the new dominant player on the women's tour, winning the Australian Open, French Open, and U.S. Open and, in March, ending Graf's record 186 consecutive-weeks hold on the World No. 1 ranking. Graf briefly regained the top ranking after winning at Wimbledon but lost it again after her loss to Jennifer Capriati in August.

Graf lost a 1991 Australian Open quarterfinal to Jana Novotna, the first time she could not reach the semifinals of a Grand Slam singles tournament since the 1986 French Open. She then lost to Sabatini in her next three tournaments before winning the U.S. Hardcourts in San Antonio, beating Seles in the final. After losing a fifth straight time to Sabatini at Amelia Island, Graf once again defeated Seles in the Hamburg final. Following her tournament victory in Berlin, Graf suffered one of the worst defeats of her career in a French Open semifinal where she won only two games against Sanchez Vicario and lost her first 6–0 set since 1984. Graf did, however, win her third Wimbledon title, defeating Sabatini in the final. Navratilova then defeated Graf 7–6, 6–7, 6–4 in a U.S. Open semifinal, the first time she had beaten Graf in four years. Graf then won Leipzig, with her 500th career victory coming in a quarterfinal defeat of Judith Wiesner. After winning two more indoor tournaments at Zurich and Brighton, she failed once again in the Virginia Slims Championships, losing her semifinal to Novotna. Soon after, she split with her long-time coach, Pavel Slozil, stating that she wanted to work on her own.

A bout with German measles forced Graf to miss the first major event of 1992, the Australian Open. Her year continued indifferently with losses in three of her first four tournaments, although she did win unconvincingly at Boca Raton. Victories at Hamburg and Berlin (beating Sanchez Vicario in the finals of both) prepared her for the French Open, where she defeated Sanchez Vicario in the semifinals after losing the first set 6–0. She then renewed her rivalry with Seles in the final, which Seles won 10-8 in the third set. At Wimbledon, after struggling through early-round three-setters against lowly-ranked Marianne de Swardt and Patty Fendick, she easily defeated Natalia Zvereva in a quarterfinal, Sabatini in a semifinal, and Seles in the final 6–2, 6–1, with Seles playing in almost complete silence because of widespread media and player criticism of her grunting. Graf then won all five of her Fed Cup matches, helping Germany defeat Spain in the final by defeating Sánchez Vicario 6–4, 6–2. At the Olympic Games in Barcelona, Graf lost to Capriati in the final and claimed the silver medal. At the U.S. Open, Graf was upset in a quarterfinal by Sánchez Vicario 7–6(5), 6–3. Four consecutive indoor tournament victories in the autumn improved her year, but for the third consecutive year, she failed to win the Virginia Slims Championships, where she lost in the first round to Lori McNeil.

In 1993, Seles beat Graf in three sets in the final of the Australian Open. The burgeoning rivalry between them was then cut short. During a quarterfinal match between Seles and Magdalena Maleeva in Hamburg, Seles was stabbed between the shoulder blades by a mentally ill Günter Parche. He claimed that he committed the attack to help Graf reclaim the number one ranking. More than two years elapsed before Seles competed again.

The indirect effects of Seles's injury on Graf's career is the subject of frequent speculation. Seles was number one at the time of the attack. In head-to-head matches, Graf never had a losing record versus Seles at any point in her career, and prior to the year the blackmail scandal first broke, Graf was undefeated versus Seles in three encounters. Seles, however, won four of the seven matches they played from 1990 through 1993, including a 3–1 advantage over Graf in Grand Slam tournaments. From the start of 1991 until the April 1993 Seles stabbing (i.e., the period of Seles's dominance), Graf lost nineteen matches but only two of these were to Seles (while defeating her three times). Graf retired with a 10-5 lifetime record over Seles, including a 6–4 winning record versus Seles in Grand Slam singles tournaments and a 3–2 winning record versus Seles while Seles was ranked #1 in 1991-1993.


[edit] Second period of dominance
In the absence of Monica Seles, Graf won three of four Grand Slam events in 1993 to re-establish herself as the dominant player in women's tennis. It took some time, however, for Graf to separate herself from her challengers, with four losses in her first six tournaments of the year – two to Arantxa Sanchez Vicario and one each to Seles and the 36 year-old Martina Navratilova. She struggled through Berlin where she lost a 6–0 set to the unheralded Sabine Hack before defeating Mary Jo Fernandez and Gabriela Sabatini in arduous three-setters to claim her seventh title there in eight years. Nor was she at her best at the French Open but still managed to win her first title there since 1988 with a three-set victory over Fernandez in the final. The win elevated Graf to the #1 ranking for the first time in 22 months.

Her fifth Wimbledon title was aided by a celebrated meltdown in the final from Jana Novotna, who had a point on serve to go up 5–1 in the deciding set before losing the next five games. Graf had an injured right foot during that tournament (and for the next few months), finally resulting in surgery on October 4.

In the meantime, she lost surprisingly to Nicole Provis of Australia in a Fed Cup match on clay before winning San Diego and Montreal in preparation for the U.S. Open. She won there, beating Helena Sukova comfortably in the final after eliminating Sabatini in a three-set quarterfinal. She won Leipzig yet again the day before her foot operation, losing only two games to Novotna in the final. Graf lost to Conchita Martinez in her return tournament a month later in Philadelphia. However, she finished her year with a highlight, winning her first Virginia Slims Championships since 1989 by beating Sanchez Vicario in the final despite needing painkillers for a back injury.

Seemingly free of injury for the first time in years, Graf began 1994 by winning the Australian Open, where she defeated Sanchez Vicario in the final with the loss of only two games. She then won her next four tournaments easily. In the Key Biscayne, Florida final, she lost her first set of the year – to Natalia Zvereva – after winning 54 consecutive sets. In the Hamburg final, she lost for the first time in 1994 after 36 consecutive match victories, losing to Sanchez Vicario in three sets. She then won her eighth German Open, but there were signs that her form was worsening as she almost lost to Julie Halard in a quarterfinal. Graf then lost to Pierce in a French Open semifinal and followed with a first-round loss at Wimbledon to Lori McNeil, her first loss in a first round Grand Slam tournament in ten years. Graf still managed to win San Diego the following month but aggravated a long-time back injury in beating Sanchez Vicario in the final. She then began to wear a back brace and was unsure about playing the U.S. Open but elected to play while receiving treatment and stretching for two hours before each match. She made it to the final and took the first set there against Sanchez Vicario. Her back injury, however, flared up and she lost the next two sets. She took the following nine weeks off, returning only for the Virginia Slims Championships where she lost to Pierce in a quarterfinal.

Injury kept Graf out of the Australian Open in 1995. She came back to beat Sánchez-Vicario in the finals of both the French Open and Wimbledon. The U.S. Open was Seles's first Grand Slam event after the 1993 attack. Seles and Graf met in the final, with Graf winning 7–6, 0–6, 6–3. Graf then capped the year by beating countrywoman Anke Huber in a five-set final at the season-ending WTA Tour Championships.

In personal terms, 1995 was a difficult year for Graf as she was accused by German authorities of tax evasion in the early years of her career. In her defense, she stated that her father Peter was her financial manager, and all financial matters relating to her earnings at the time had been under his control. As a result, Peter was sentenced to 45 months in jail. He was eventually released after serving 25 months. Prosecutors dropped their case against Steffi in 1997, when she agreed to pay a fine of 1.3 million Deutsche Marks to the government and an unspecified charity.

In 1996, Graf again missed the Australian Open due to injury and then successfully defended the three Grand Slam titles she won the year before. In a close French Open final, Graf again overcame Sánchez-Vicario, taking the third-set 10-8. Graf then had straight-sets wins against Sánchez-Vicario in the Wimbledon final and Seles in the U.S. Open final. Graf also won her fifth and final WTA Tour Championships title with a five set win over Martina Hingis. She was unable to participate in the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta because of an injured left knee.[8]


[edit] Final years on the tour
The last few years of Graf's career were beset by injuries, particularly to her knees and back.

These injuries caused Graf to miss much of the tour in 1997. She lost the World No. 1 ranking to Martina Hingis and failed to win a Grand Slam title for the first time in ten years.

After missing almost half of the tour in 1998, Graf defeated World No. 1 Hingis en route to the Philadelphia title and finished that year ranked ninth, her lowest ranking since 1984.

At the 1999 French Open, Graf reached her first Grand Slam final in three years and fought back from a set and two breaks down in the second set to defeat the top ranked Hingis in three sets. Graf also became the first player in the open era to defeat the first, second, and third ranked players in the same Grand Slam tournament by defeating second ranked Lindsay Davenport in the quarterfinals and third ranked Monica Seles in the semifinals. Graf said after the final that it would be her last French Open,[9] fueling speculation about her retirement.

Graf then reached her ninth Wimbledon singles final, losing to Davenport 6–4, 7–5. In mixed doubles at Wimbledon, Graf briefly partnered with John McEnroe.[10]

In August 1999, Graf announced her sudden retirement from the women's tour. She was ranked third in the world at that time. Graf said, "I have done everything I wanted to do in tennis. I feel I have nothing left to accomplish. The weeks following Wimbledon weren't easy for me. I was not having fun anymore. After Wimbledon, for the first time in my career, I didn't feel like going to a tournament. My motivation wasn't what it was in the past."[11]


[edit] Summary of career
Graf won 107 singles titles and 11 doubles titles. Her 22 Grand Slam singles titles are second only to Margaret Court, who won 24. Graf won 7 singles titles at Wimbledon, 6 singles titles at the French Open, 5 singles titles at the U.S. Open, and 4 singles titles at the Australian Open. She is the only person to have won at least four singles titles at each Grand Slam event. Her overall record in 56 Grand Slam events was 282-34 (89 percent) (87-10 at the French Open, 75-8 at Wimbledon, 73-10 at the U.S. Open, and 47-6 at the Australian Open). Her career prize-money earnings totalled US$21,895,277 (a record until Lindsay Davenport surpassed this amount in January 2008). Her singles win-loss record was 902-115 (88.7 percent). She was ranked World No. 1 for a total of 377 weeks during her career, the record in both men's and women's tennis. She was ranked World No. 1 for 186 consecutive weeks (from August 1987 to March 1991), which is still the record in the women's game.


[edit] Accolades
In an interview with ESPN Classic's SportsCentury series, Chris Evert said, "Steffi Graf's the best all-around player. Martina [Navratilova] won more on fast courts and I won more on slow courts, but Steffi came along and won more titles on both surfaces." Evert also has said that Graf's forehand was "the best in women's tennis".[12] Billie Jean King said in 1999 that she considered Graf to be the greatest female tennis player ever.[13] Navratilova said in 1996, "Steffi is the best all-around player of all time, regardless of the surface."[14]


[edit] Personal life
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With her father dominating her personal life until the Graf tax scandal in 1995, Graf often declined social invitations and made few friends on tour. Soon after retiring she made headlines off the court for dating Andre Agassi. They married in October 2001 with only their mothers as witnesses.[15] Four days later Steffi gave birth, six weeks prematurely, to their son Jaden Gil (named for Andre's longtime trainer Gil Reyes). Their daughter, Jaz Elle, was born on October 3, 2003.

At the 1992 Wimbledon champions banquet, Graf and husband-to-be Andre Agassi showed no interest in one another. However, in a 2006 Sports Illustrated piece, Agassi – who claimed he had been secretly pining for Graf as far back as 1990 – said that officials would not allow him to dance with her, which was a Wimbledon tradition.


[edit] Grand Slam singles finals

[edit] Wins (22)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1987 French Open Martina Navrátilová 6–4, 4–6, 8–6
1988 Australian Open Chris Evert 6–1, 7–6(3)
1988 French Open (2) Natalia Zvereva 6–0, 6–0
1988 Wimbledon Martina Navrátilová 5–7, 6–2, 6–1
1988 U.S. Open Gabriela Sabatini 6–3, 3–6, 6–1
1989 Australian Open (2) Helena Suková 6–4, 6–4
1989 Wimbledon (2) Martina Navrátilová 6–2, 6–7(1), 6–1
1989 U.S. Open (2) Martina Navrátilová 3–6, 7–5, 6–1
1990 Australian Open (3) Mary Joe Fernández 6–3, 6–4
1991 Wimbledon (3) Gabriela Sabatini 6–4, 3–6, 8–6
1992 Wimbledon (4) Monica Seles 6–2, 6–1
1993 French Open (3) Mary Joe Fernández 4–6, 6–2, 6–4
1993 Wimbledon (5) Jana Novotná 7–6(6), 1–6, 6–4
1993 U.S. Open (3) Helena Suková 6–3, 6–3
1994 Australian Open (4) Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–0, 6–2
1995 French Open (4) Arantxa Sánchez-Vicario 7–5, 4–6, 6–0
1995 Wimbledon (6) Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 4–6, 6–1, 7–5
1995 U.S. Open (4) Monica Seles 7–6(6), 0–6, 6–3
1996 French Open (5) Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 6–7, 10-8
1996 Wimbledon (7) Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 7–5
1996 U.S. Open (5) Monica Seles 7–5, 6–4
1999 French Open (6) Martina Hingis 4–6, 7–5, 6–2


[edit] Runner-ups (9)
Year Championship Opponent in Final Score in Final
1987 Wimbledon Martina Navrátilová 7–5, 6–3
1987 U.S. Open Martina Navrátilová 7–6, 6–1
1989 French Open Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 7–6, 3–6, 7–5
1990 French Open (2) Monica Seles 7–6, 6–4
1990 U.S. Open (2) Gabriela Sabatini 6–2, 7–6
1992 French Open (3) Monica Seles 6–2, 3–6, 10-8
1993 Australian Open Monica Seles 4–6, 6–3, 6–2
1994 U.S. Open (3) Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 1–6, 7–6, 6–4
1999 Wimbledon (2) Lindsay Davenport 6–4, 7–5


[edit] Grand Slam women's doubles finals

[edit] Win (1)
Year Championship Partnering Opponents in Final Score/Final
1988 Wimbledon Gabriela Sabatini Larisa Neiland
Natasha Zvereva 6–3, 1–6, 12-10


[edit] Runner-ups (3)
Year Championship Partnering Opponents in Final Score/Final
1986 French Open Gabriela Sabatini Martina Navratilova
Andrea Temesvari 6–1, 6–2
1987 French Open (2) Gabriela Sabatini Martina Navratilova
Pam Shriver 6–2, 6–1
1989 French Open (3) Gabriela Sabatini Larisa Neiland
Natalia Zvereva 6–4, 6–4


[edit] WTA Tour singles finals

[edit] Wins (107)
Legend (Singles)
Tier I (16)
Tier II (29)
Tier III (9)
Tier IV (8)
VS (17)
Grand Slam Title (22)
WTA Tour Championship (5)
Olympic Gold (1)
# Date Tournament Tier Surface Opponent in final Score
1. April 13, 1986 Hilton Head, U.S. VS Clay Chris Evert 6–4, 7–5
2. April 20, 1986 WITA Championship, Florida, U.S. VS Clay Claudia Kohde-Kilsch 6–4, 5–7, 7–6(3)
3. May 3, 1986 US Clay Courts, U.S. VS Clay Gabriela Sabatini 2–6, 7–6(5), 6–4
4. May 3, 1986 Berlin, Germany VS Clay Martina Navrátilová 6–2, 6–3
5. August 24, 1986 UNITED JERSEY, New Jersey, U.S. VS Hard Molly van Nostrand 7–5, 6–1
6. September 14, 1986 Tokyo, Japan VS Carpet (I) Manuela Maleeva-Fragniere 6–4, 6–2
7. October 12, 1986 European Indoors, Switzerland VS Carpet (I) Helena Suková 4–6, 6–2, 6–4
8. October 26, 1986 Brighton, Great Britain VS Carpet (I) Catarina Lindqvist 6–3, 6–3
9. February 22, 1987 VS OF Florida, U.S. VS Hard Helena Suková 6–2, 6–3
10. March 8, 1987 Miami, U.S. VS Hard Chris Evert 6–1, 6–2
11. April 12, 1987 Hilton Head, U.S. VS Clay Manuela Maleeva-Fragniere 6–2, 4–6, 6–3
12. April 19, 1987 WITA Championship, Florida, U.S. VS Clay Hana Mandlíková 6–3, 6–4
13. May 10, 1987 Rome, Italy VS Clay Gabriela Sabatini 7–5, 4–6, 6–0
14. May 17, 1987 Berlin, Germany VS Clay Claudia Kohde-Kilsch 6–2, 6–3
15. June 6, 1987 French Open, France GS Clay Martina Navrátilová 6–4, 4–6, 8–6
16. August 16, 1987 Los Angeles, U.S. VS Hard Chris Evert 6–3, 6–4
17. September 27, 1987 Citzen Cup, Germany VS Clay Isabel Cueto 6–2, 6–2
18. November 1, 1987 European Indoors, Switzerland VS Carpet (I) Hana Mandlíková 6–2, 6–2
19. November 22, 1987 VS Championships, New York, U.S. CH Carpet (I) Gabriela Sabatini 4–6, 6–4, 6–0, 6–4
20. January 24, 1988 Australian Open, Australia GS Hard Chris Evert 6–1, 7–6(3)
21. March 6, 1988 US Hardcourts, U.S. IV Hard Katerina Maleeva 6–4, 6–1
22. March 27, 1988 Miami, U.S. I Hard Chris Evert 6–4, 6–4
23. May 15, 1988 Berlin, Germany II Clay Helena Suková 6–3, 6–2
24. June 5, 1988 French Open, France GS Clay Natasha Zvereva 6–0, 6–0
25. July 3, 1988 Wimbledon, Great Britain GS Grass Martina Navrátilová 5–7, 6–2, 6–1
26. July 31, 1988 Citzen Cup, Germany IV Clay Katerina Maleeva 6–4, 6–2
27. August 28, 1988 UNITED JERSEY, New Jersey, U.S. IV Hard Nathalie Tauziat 6–0, 6–1
28. September 11, 1988 U.S. Open, U.S. GS Hard Gabriela Sabatini 6–3, 3–6, 6–1
29. October 2, 1988 Olympics, Seoul OT Hard Gabriela Sabatini 6–3, 6–3
30. October 30, 1988 Brighton, Great Britain III Carpet (I) Manuela Maleeva-Fragniere 6–2, 6–0
31. January 29, 1989 Australian Open, Australia GS Hard Helena Suková 6–4, 6–4
32. February 19, 1989 Washington DC, U.S. II Carpet (I) Zina Garrison Jackson 6–1, 7–5
33. March 5, 1989 US Hardcourts, U.S. IV Hard Ann Henricksson 6–1, 6–4
34. March 19, 1989 VS OF Florida, U.S. II Hard Chris Evert 4–6, 6–2, 6–3
35. April 9, 1989 Hilton Head, U.S. II Clay Natasha Zvereva 6–1, 6–1
36. May 7, 1989 Citzen Cup, Germany IV Clay Jana Novotná W/O
37. May 21, 1989 Berlin, Germany II Clay Gabriela Sabatini 6–3, 6–1
38. July 9, 1989 Wimbledon, Great Britain GS Grass Martina Navrátilová 6–2, 6–7(1), 6–1
39. August 6, 1989 San Diego, U.S. IV Hard Zina Garrison Jackson 6–4, 7–5
40. August 20, 1989 United Jersey, New Jersey, U.S. IV Hard Andrea Temesvari 7–5, 6–2
41. September 10, 1989 U.S. Open, U.S. GS Hard Martina Navrátilová 3–6, 7–5, 6–1
42. October 22, 1989 European Indoors, Switzerland III Carpet (I) Jana Novotná 6–1, 7–6(6)
43. October 29, 1989 Brighton, Great Britain III Carpet (I) Monica Seles 7–5, 6–4
44. November 19, 1989 VS Championships, New York, U.S. CH Carpet (I) Martina Navrátilová 6–4, 7–5, 2–6, 6–2
45. January 28, 1990 Australian Open, Australia GS Hard Mary Joe Fernández 6–3, 6–4
46. February 4, 1990 Tokyo, Japan II Carpet (I) Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–1, 6–2
47. April 15, 1990 Amelia Island, U.S. II Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–1, 6–0
48. May 6, 1990 Citzen Cup, Germany IV Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 5–7, 6–0, 6–1
49. August 5, 1990 Montréal, Canada I Hard Katerina Maleeva 6–1, 6–7(6), 6–3
50. August 12, 1990 San Diego, U.S. III Hard Manuela Maleeva-Fragniere 6–3, 6–2
51. September 30, 1990 Leipzig, Germany III Carpet (I) Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–1, 6–1
52. October 14, 1990 European Indoors, Switzerland II Carpet (I) Gabriela Sabatini 6–3, 6–2
53. October 28, 1990 Brighton, Great Britain II Carpet (I) Helena Suková 7–5, 6–3
54. November 11, 1990 New England, U.S. II Carpet (I) Gabriela Sabatini 7–6(5) 6–3
55. March 31, 1991 US Hardcourts, U.S. III Hard Monica Seles 6–4, 6–3
56. May 5, 1991 Citzen Cup, Germany II Clay Monica Seles 7–5, 6–7(4), 6–3
57. May 19, 1991 Berlin, Germany I Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 4–6, 7–6(6)
58. July 7, 1991 Wimbledon, Great Britain GS Grass Gabriela Sabatini 6–4, 3–6, 8–6
59. October 6, 1991 Leipzig, Germany III Carpet (I) Jana Novotná 6–3, 6–3
60. October 13, 1991 European Indoors, Switzerland II Carpet (I) Nathalie Tauziat 6–4, 6–4
61. October 27, 1991 Brighton, Great Britain II Carpet (I) Zina Garrison Jackson 5–7, 6–4, 6–1
62. March 8, 1992 Boca Raton, U.S. I Hard Conchita Martínez 3–6, 6–2, 6–0
63. May 3, 1992 Citzen Cup, Germany II Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 7–6(5), 6–2
64. May 17, 1992 Berlin, Germany I Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 4–6, 7–5, 6–2
65. July 5, 1992 Wimbledon, Great Britain GS Grass Monica Seles 6–2, 6–1
66. October 4, 1992 Leipzig, Germany III Carpet (I) Jana Novotná 6–3, 1–6, 6–4
67. October 11, 1992 European Indoors, Switzerland II Carpet (I) Martina Navrátilová 2–6, 7–5, 7–5
68. October 25, 1992 Brighton, Great Britain II Carpet (I) Jana Novotná 4–6, 6–4, 7–6(3)
69. November 15, 1992 Philadelphia, U.S. II Carpet (I) Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 3–6, 6–1
70. March 7, 1993 VS OF Florida, U.S. II Hard Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–4,F 6–3
71. April 4, 1993 Hilton Head, U.S. I Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 7–6(8), 6–1
72. May 16, 1993 Berlin, Germany I Clay Gabriela Sabatini 7–6(3), 2–6, 6–4
73. June 6, 1993 French Open, France GS Clay Mary Joe Fernández 4–6, 6–2, 6–4
74. July 4, 1993 Wimbledon, Great Britain GS Grass Jana Novotná 7–6(6), 1–6, 6–4
75. August 8, 1993 San Diego, U.S. II Hard Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–4, 4–6, 6–1
76. August 22, 1993 Toronto, Canada I Hard Jennifer Capriati 6–1, 0–6, 6–3
77. September 12, 1993 U.S. Open, U.S. GS Hard Helena Suková 6–3, 6–3
78. October 3, 1993 Leipzig, Germany II Carpet (I) Jana Novotná 6–2, 6–0
79. November 21, 1993 VS Championships, New York, U.S. CH Carpet (I) Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–1, 6–4, 3–6, 6–1
80. January 30, 1994 Australian Open, Australia GS Hard Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–0, 6–2
81. February 6, 1994 Tokyo, Japan I Carpet (I) Martina Navrátilová 6–2, 6–4
82. February 27, 1994 Indian Wells, U.S. II Hard Amanda Coetzer 6–0, 6–4
83. March 6, 1994 Delray, U.S. II Hard Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 7–5
84. March 20, 1994 Miami, U.S. I Hard Natasha Zvereva 4–6, 6–1, 6–2
85. May 15, 1994 Berlin, Germany I Clay Brenda Schultz-McCarthy 7–6(3), 6–4
86. August 7, 1994 San Diego, U.S. II Hard Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–2, 6–1
87. February 19, 1995 Paris, France II Carpet (I) Mary Pierce 6–2, 6–2
88. March 12, 1995 Delray, U.S. II Hard Conchita Martínez 6–2, 6–4
89. March 26, 1995 Miami, U.S. I Hard Kimiko Date 6–1, 6–4
90. April 16, 1995 Houston, U.S. II Clay Asa Carlsson 6–1, 6–1
91. June 11, 1995 French Open, France GS Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 7–5, 4–6, 6–0
92. July 9, 1995 Wimbledon, Great Britain GS Grass Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 4–6, 6–1, 7–5
93. September 10, 1995 U.S. Open, U.S. GS Hard Monica Seles 7–6(6), 0–6, 6–3
94. November 12, 1995 Philadelphia, U.S. I Carpet (I) Lori McNeil 6–1, 4–6, 6–3
95. November 19, 1995 VS Championships, New York, U.S. CH Carpet (I) Anke Huber 6–1, 2–6, 6–1, 4–6, 6–3
96. March 17, 1996 Indian Wells, U.S. I Hard Conchita Martínez 7–6(5), 7–6(5)
97. March 31, 1996 Miami, U.S. I Hard Chanda Rubin 6–1, 6–3
98. May 19, 1996 Berlin, Germany I Clay Karina Habšudová 4–6, 6–2, 7–5
99. June 9, 1996 French Open, France GS Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 6–7(4), 10-8
100. July 7, 1996 Wimbledon, Great Britain GS Grass Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 7–5
101. September 8, 1996 U.S. Open, U.S. GS Hard Monica Seles 7–5, 6–4
102. November 17, 1996 VS Championships, New York, U.S. CH Carpet (I) Martina Hingis 6–3, 4–6, 6–0, 4–6, 6–0
103. May 25, 1997 Strasbourg, France III Clay Mirjana Lučić 6–2, 7–5
104. August 30, 1998 New Haven, U.S. II Hard Jana Novotná 6–4, 6–1
105. November 8, 1998 Leipzig, Germany II Carpet (I) Nathalie Tauziat 6–3, 6–4
106. November 15, 1998 Philadelphia, U.S. II Carpet (I) Lindsay Davenport 4–6, 6–3, 6–4
107. June 6, 1999 French Open, France GS Clay Martina Hingis 4–6, 7–5, 6–2


[edit] Runner-ups (31)
Legend (Singles)
Tier I (6)
Tier II (8)
Tier III (0)
Tier IV (0)
VS (6)
Grand Slam Title (9)
WTA Tour Championship (1)
Olympic (1)
# Date Tournament Tier Surface Opponent in final Score
1. October 15, 1984 Stuttgart, Germany VS Carpet (I) Catarina Lindqvist 6–1, 6–4
2. May 20, 1985 Berlin, Germany VS Clay Chris Evert 6–4, 7–5
3. August 18, 1985 UNITED JERSEY, New Jersey, U.S. VS Hard Kathy Rinaldi Stunkel 6–4, 3–6, 6–4
4. October 6, 1985 Maybelline, Florida, U.S. VS Hard Martina Navrátilová 6–3, 6–1
5. February 3, 1986 VS OF Florida, U.S. VS Hard Chris Evert 6–3, 6–1
6. February 23, 1986 Miami, U.S. VS Hard Chris Evert 6–4, 6–2
7. November 23, 1986 VS Championships, New York, U.S. CH Carpet (I) Martina Navrátilová 7–6(3), 6–2
8. July 5, 1987 Wimbledon, Great Britain GS Grass Martina Navrátilová 7–5, 6–3
9. September 13, 1987 U.S. Open, U.S. GS Hard Martina Navrátilová 7–6(4), 6–1
10. March 13, 1988 VS OF Florida, U.S. II Hard Gabriela Sabatini 2–6, 6–3, 6–1
11. April 16, 1989 Amelia Island, U.S. II Clay Gabriela Sabatini 3–6, 6–3, 7–5
12. June 11,1989 French Open, France GS Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 7–6(6), 3–6, 7–5
13. May 20, 1990 Berlin, Germany I Clay Monica Seles 6–4, 6–3
14. June 10, 1990 French Open, France GS Clay Monica Seles 7–6(6), 6–4
15. September 9, 1990 U.S. Open, U.S. GS Hard Gabriela Sabatini 6–2, 7–6(4)
16. March 10, 1991 VS OF Florida, U.S. II Hard Gabriela Sabatini 6–4, 7–6(6)
17. April 14, 1991 Amelia Island, U.S. II Clay Gabriela Sabatini 7–5, 7–6(3)
18. April 12, 1992 Amelia Island, U.S. II Clay Gabriela Sabatini 6–2, 1–6, 6–3
19. June 7, 1992 French Open, France GS Clay Monica Seles 6–2, 3–6, 10-8
20. August 9, 1992 Olympics, Barcelona OT Clay Jennifer Capriati 3–6, 6–3, 6–4
21. January 31, 1993 Australian Open, Australia GS Hard Monica Seles 4–6, 6–3, 6–2
22. March 21, 1993 Miami, U.S. I Hard Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–4, 3–6, 6–2
23. May 2, 1993 Citzen Cup, Germany II Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 6–3
24. November 14, 1993 Philadelphia, U.S. I Carpet (I) Conchita Martínez 6–3, 6–3
25. May 1, 1994 Citzen Cup, Germany II Clay Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 4–6, 7–6(3), 7–6(6)
26. August 21, 1994 Montréal, Canada I Hard Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 7–5, 1–6, 7–6(4)
27. September 11, 1994 U.S. Open, U.S. GS Hard Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 1–6, 7–6(3), 6–4
28. November 17, 1996 Philadelphia, U.S. II Carpet (I) Jana Novotná 6–4, retired
29. February 2, 1997 Tokyo, Japan I Carpet (I) Martina Hingis walkover
30. March 14, 1999 Indian Wells, U.S. I Hard Serena Williams 6–3, 3–6, 7–5
31. July 4, 1999 Wimbledon, Great Britain GS Grass Lindsay Davenport 6–4, 7–5


[edit] WTA Tour doubles finals (18)

[edit] Wins (11)
Legend (Singles)
Tier I (1)
Tier II (2)
Tier III (0)
Tier IV (1)
VS (6)
Grand Slam title (1)
WTA Tour Championship (0)
No. Date Tournament Tier Partnering Opponents in the final Score
1. April 28, 1986 U.S. Clay Court Championships, Indianapolis VS Gabriela Sabatini Gigi Fernández
Robin White 6–2, 6–0
2. May 12, 1986 German Open, Berlin VS Helena Suková Martina Navrátilová
Andrea Temesvari 7–5, 6–2
3. September 14, 1986 Tokyo, Japan VS Bettina Bunge Katerina Maleeva
Manuela Maleeva 6–1, 6–7(4), 6–2
4. October 6, 1986 Zurich, Switzerland VS Gabriela Sabatini Lori McNeil
Alycia Moulton 1–6, 6–4, 6–4
5. October 20, 1986 Brighton, United Kingdom VS Helena Suková Tine Scheuer-Larsen
Catherine Tanvier 6–4, 6–4
6. April 13, 1987 Amelia Island, U.S. VS Gabriela Sabatini Hana Mandlíková
Wendy Turnbull 3–6, 6–3, 7–5
7. March 13, 1988 Miami, USA I Gabriela Sabatini Gigi Fernández
Zina Garrison 7–6(6), 6–3
8. June 20, 1988 Wimbledon, United Kingdom GS Gabriela Sabatini Larisa Neiland
Natasha Zvereva 6–3, 1–6, 12-10
9. August 14, 1989 New Jersey, USA IV Pam Shriver Louise Allen
Laura Gildemeister 6–2, 6–4
10. April 27, 1992 Hamburg, Germany II Rennae Stubbs Manon Bollegraf
Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 4–6, 6–3, 6–4
11. April 26, 1993 Hamburg, Germany II Rennae Stubbs Larisa Neiland
Jana Novotná 6–4, 7–6(5)


[edit] Runner-ups (7)
Legend (Singles)
Tier I (0)
Tier II (0)
Tier III (0)
Tier IV (0)
VS (4)
Grand Slam runner-ups (3)
WTA Tour Championship (0)
No. Date Tournament Tier Partnering Opponents in the final Score
1. May 20, 1985 German Open, Berlin VS Catherine Tanvier Claudia Kohde-Kilsch
Helena Sukova 6–4, 6–1
2. April 13, 1986 Family Circle Cup, Hilton Head, South Carolina VS Catherine Tanvier Chris Evert
Anne White 6–3, 6–3
3. June 9, 1986 French Open, Paris GS Gabriela Sabatini Martina Navratilova
Andrea Temesvari 6–1, 6–2
4. August 24, 1986 Mahwah, New Jersey VS Helena Sukova Betsy Nagelsen
Elizabeth Smylie 7–6(4), 6–3
5. November 16, 1986 Chicago, Illinois VS Gabriela Sabatini Claudia Kohde-Kilsch
Helena Sukova 6–7(5), 7–6(5), 6–3
6. June 6, 1987 French Open, Paris GS Gabriela Sabatini Martina Navratilova
Pam Shriver 6–2, 6–1
7. June 11, 1989 French Open, Paris GS Gabriela Sabatini Larisa Neiland
Natasha Zvereva 6–4, 6–4


[edit] Major tournament singles performance timeline
Tournament 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 Career SR Career Win-Loss
Grand Slam Tournaments
Australian Open A 1R 3R A NH A W W W QF A F W A A 4R A QF 4 / 10 47-6
French Open A 2R 3R 4R QF W W F F SF F W SF W W QF A W 6 / 16 87-10
Wimbledon A LQ 4R 4R A F W W SF W W W 1R W W A 3R F 7 / 15 75-8
U.S. Open A LQ 1R SF SF F W W F SF QF W F W W A 4R A 5 / 15 73-10
Grand Slam SR 0 / 0 0 / 4 0 / 4 0 / 3 0 / 2 1 / 3 4 / 4 3 / 4 1 / 4 1 / 4 1 / 3 3 / 4 1 / 4 3 / 3 3 / 3 0 / 2 0 / 2 1 / 3 22 / 56 N/A
Grand Slam Win-Loss 0–0 5–4 7–4 11-3 9–2 19-2 27-0 27-1 24-3 21-3 17-2 26-1 18-3 21-0 21-0 7–2 5–2 17-2 N/A 282-34
Year-End Championship
WTA Tour Championships A A A A F W SF W SF QF 4R W QF W W A SF A 5 / 12 31-7
Olympic Games
Summer Olympics NH NH W1 NH NH NH W NH NH NH F NH NH NH A NH NH NH 2 / 3 15-1
WTA Tier I Tournaments2
Berlin3 - - - - - - - - F W W W W A W QF A QF 5 / 8 33-3
Miami4 - - - - - - W A A SF SF F W W W A A SF 4 / 8 41-4
Montreal/Toronto5 - - - - - - - - W A A W F 2R A A 3R A 2 / 5 15-3
Hilton Head / Charleston6 - - - - - - - - A A A W A A A A A A 1 / 1 5–0
Boca Raton7 - - - - - - - - - F W - - - - - - - 1 / 2 8–1
Philadelphia8 - - - - - - - - - - - F A W - - - - 1 / 2 8–1
Indian Wells9 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - W A SF F 1 / 3 12-2
Tokyo10 - - - - - - - - - - - SF W A A F A QF 1 / 4 13-211
Rome12 - - - - - - - - A A A A A A QF A A A 0 / 1 2–1
Moscow13 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A A A 0 / 0 0–0
Zurich14 - - - - - - - - - - - A A A A A A A 0 / 0 0–0
Chicago15 - - - - - - - - A - - - - - - - - - 0 / 0 0–0
Career Statistics
Tournaments played 1 15 14 13 14 13 14 16 15 15 15 15 13 11 11 5 13 10 N/A 223
Finals reached 0 0 1 3 11 13 12 16 13 9 11 14 10 9 8 2 3 3 N/A 138
Tournaments Won 0 0 0 0 8 11 11 14 10 7 8 10 7 9 7 1 3 1 N/A 107
Hardcourt Win-Loss 0–0 1–2 1–2 19-6 20-3 27-1 38-1 37-0 23-1 23-4 13-2 32-2 38-2 17-1 22-2 3–1 14-5 14-5 N/A 342-40
Clay Win-Loss 0–1 14-7 7–6 14-4 24-1 32-0 20-1 23-2 20-2 19-2 30-3 21-2 14-2 11-0 16-1 10-2 0–0 9–1 N/A 284-37
Grass Win-Loss 0–0 3–4 7–4 3–1 0–0 6–1 7–0 7–0 5–1 7–0 7–0 7–0 0–1 7–0 7–0 0–0 6–2 6–1 N/A 85-15
Carpet Win-Loss 0–0 3–2 4–2 4–2 19-2 9–0 7–1 19-0 24-1 16-2 21-2 16-2 6–1 12-1 9–1 3–0 13-2 4–2 N/A 189-23
Overall Win-Loss 0-1 21-15 19-14 40-13 63-6 74-2 72-3 86-2 72-5 65-8 71-7 76-6 58-6 47-2 54-4 16-3 33-9 33-9 N/A 900-115
Year End Ranking 124 98 22 6 3 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 28 9 3 N/A N/A

A = did not participate in the tournament.

LQ = lost in the qualifying tournament.

SR = the ratio of the number of singles tournaments won to the number of those tournaments played.

- = tournament either was not held or was not a Tier I event on the WTA Tour when it was held.

1Tennis was a demonstration sport during the 1984 Olympic Games.

2This table includes only those tournaments that were classified on the WTA Tour as Tier I at the time they were played.

3The Qatar Telecom German Open was first held in 1896 but has been classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only since 1990.

4The Sony Ericsson Open in Miami has been held annually since 1985 but has been classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only since 1988.

5The Rogers Cup has been held annually since 1892 but has been classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only since 1990.

6The Family Circle Cup has been held annually since 1973 but has been classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only since 1990.

7The Virginia Slims of Florida was classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only in 1991 and 1992.

8The Advanta Championships was classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only from 1993 through 1995.

9The Pacific Life Open in Indian Wells has been held annually since 1989 but has been classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only since 1996.

10The Toray Pan Pacific Open has been held annually since 1984 but has been classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only since 1993.

11Graf defaulted before the 1997 final of this tournament, which is classified as a walkover and, therefore, does not count as a loss on her official record.

12The Italian Open in Rome was first held in 1930 but has been classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only since 1990.

13The Kremlin Cup has been held annually since 1996 but has been classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only since 1997.

14The Zurich Open has been held annually since 1984 but has been classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only since 1993.

15The Virginia Slims of Chicago was classified on the WTA Tour as a Tier I tournament only in 1990.


[edit] Awards
1986: "Most Improved Player," by the Women's Tennis Association (WTA)
1987 "Player of the Year," by the WTA
1987 "World Champion," by the International Tennis Federation (ITF)
1988 "Player of the Year," by the WTA
1988 "World Champion," by the ITF
1988 "BBC Overseas Sports Personality of the Year"
1989 "Player of the Year," by the WTA
1989 "World Champion," by the ITF
1989 "Female Athlete of the Year," by the Associated Press
1990 "Player of the Year," by the WTA
1990 "World Champion," by the ITF
1993 "Player of the Year," by the WTA
1993 "World Champion," by the ITF
1994 "Player of the Year," by the WTA
1995 "Player of the Year," by the WTA
1995 "World Champion," by the ITF
1996 "Player of the Year," by the WTA
1996 "World Champion," by the ITF
1996 "Most Exciting Player of the Year," by the WTA
1998 "Most Exciting Player of the Year," by the WTA
1999 "Most Exciting Player of the Year," by the WTA
1999 "Prince of Asturias Award," one of the most important awards of Spain and named after the heir apparent of Spain, Prince Felipe
1999 "Germany Television Award"
1999 "Athlete of the Century" for the category "Female Athlete in Ballsports" by a panel of the International Olympic Committee (IOC)
1999 "Female Athlete of the Year," by the German television broadcaster ARD
1999 "Female Sports Award of the Last Decade," by ESPY
1999 "Olympic Medal of Honor" granted by Dr. Antonio Samaranch, president of the IOC
2002 "Medal of Honor," bestowed by the prime minister of Graf's home state Baden-Württemberg, Erwin Teufel
2004 Inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame

[edit] Special honours
Steffi is the only female to be selected for Forbes Top-30 "Most recognizable and marketable athletes" list in 1995.

Selected for "European Heroes" in 2004 by TIME Magazine.

Voted "Germans greatest role model" by TV14 magazine.

Voted "Most admirable German woman" by Amica magazine.

Voted "Germany's Sportswoman of the Century" in 1999 by the German press.

Steffi is the only person to have won the 'Golden Slam' (1988)

Steffi is the first German to win the Spain's 'Prince of Asturias' award.
[edit] Notes and references
^ Before the German reunification, she played for West Germany
^ For example, Billie Jean King was quoted in 1999 as saying, "Steffi is definitely the greatest women's tennis player of all time."ON TENNIS; Graf Is Best, Right? Just Don't Ask Her Martina Navratilova includes Graf on her list of great players.ON TENNIS; Graf Is Best, Right? Just Don't Ask Her
^ Tennis Players of the Century.. AugustaSports.com. Retrieved on 2007-04-24.
^ Exclusive Interview with Steve Flink about the career of Chris Evert. ChrisEvert.net. Retrieved on 2007-04-23.
^ Steffi Graf
^ "Australian Tennis", March, 1989, p. 28
^ New York Times, July 13, 1990; Ferdinand Protzman: "Graf's Toughest Foe: the Press"
^ OLYMPICS;Injuries Force Sampras and Graf to Skip Games
^ Graf edges Hingis, captures sixth and 'last' French title
^ Tennis: Wimbledon 99 - Magic mixture of McEnroe and Graf
^ Steffi Graf announces retirement
^ Graf, queen of the lawn
Enough Said: She is the best certainly not any of the top players today [I]combined can touch her numbers, records....Put her against any other player in her history of women's tennis and she would win ok...now go play in traffic you idiot

dybbuk
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:10 AM
Omfg ^^^

bwahahahahaha
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:10 AM
:zzz:

G-Ha
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:10 AM
graf by far. i have yet to see a forehand that combines the power, placement, versatility and consistency of the graf forehand. these elements coupled with her impeccable footwork is why steffi's forehand has been labeled the single greatest shot in the history of tennis.

Corswandt
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:21 AM
Who has the better forehand?

Ivanovic. It's a much bigger shot. Graf's FH would merely be a good rally shot by today's standards.

incognito
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:27 AM
A visual comparison on how they execute their forehands...

TqmuDsDSPHA

dybbuk
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:30 AM
A visual comparison on how they execute their forehands...

TqmuDsDSPHA

Thanks for the link, that's what I was talking about earlier. :)

pov
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:31 AM
Ivanovic. It's a much bigger shot. Graf's FH would merely be a good rally shot by today's standards.

And if you put the sort of racquet Graf was using in Ivanovic's hands, just how big would her shot be?

IMO sans modern racquet technology, Graf's forehand is more powerful than Ivanovic's.

tennisbear7
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:31 AM
Ivanovic. It's a much bigger shot. Graf's FH would merely be a good rally shot by today's standards.

Lol. For someone who usually presents good tennis analysis, this one's way off. Her forehand was wreaking havoc even in the late 90s against everybody.

Corswandt
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:36 AM
And if you put the sort of racquet Graf was using in Ivanovic's hands, just how big would her shot be?

IMO sans modern racquet technology, Graf's forehand is more powerful than Ivanovic's.

Conjectures/what ifs.

Lol. For someone who usually presents good tennis analysis, this one's way off. Her forehand was wreaking havoc even in the late 90s against everybody.

Bolded part being the key. The game has changed beyond recognition since then.

Nobody had kill shots in the 1990s, so Graf's FH "wreaked havoc". It was the closest thing to a kill shot there was. But as I said, by today's standards it would be a good rally shot, nothing more.

Craig.
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:40 AM
Why not? We are comparing just forehands not career accomplishments.

Dr Ivo has a better serve than Federer, doesn't mean he is a better player...

Yeah, so? I didn't say anything about career accomplishments in my post.

FACT: Graf's forehand is WAY better than Ivanovic's. DEAL WITH IT.

sunsfuns
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:40 AM
Nobody had kill shots in the 1990s, so Graf's FH "wreaked havoc". It was the closest thing to a kill shot there was. But as I said, by today's standards it would be a good rally shot, nothing more.

That's an illusion. Davenport, Serena and Venus were already playing and their shots weren't significantly worse than today.

Hard to say if Graf would or would not be #1 today, but close to the top for sure...

Slutati
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:45 AM
I'm sorry, but I think Ivanovic:shrug:And I don't even like her.

SV_Fan
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:47 AM
Graf she could do sooooooo much with it. Alot of todays players dont know much about spin. Graf could flatten out that thing and it was deadly.

Expat
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:51 AM
Ivanovic. It's a much bigger shot. Graf's FH would merely be a good rally shot by today's standards.
and here i was thinking that the level of play in the wta has actually regressed since the 99-03 days
thanks for informing me

Corswandt
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:52 AM
That's an illusion. Davenport, Serena and Venus were already playing and their shots weren't significantly worse than today.

Who are we talking about? Graf or Davenport and the sisters?

Corswandt
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:53 AM
and here i was thinking that the level of play in the wta has actually regressed since the 99-03 days
thanks for informing me

Graf retired in 1999.

LindsayRulz
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:53 AM
Graf's, of course.

Expat
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:54 AM
Graf retired in 1999.
and she still won a slam in 99 and reached a final that year of her 3 slam appearances

Steffica Greles
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:01 AM
Conjectures/what ifs.



Bolded part being the key. The game has changed beyond recognition since then.

Nobody had kill shots in the 1990s, so Graf's FH "wreaked havoc". It was the closest thing to a kill shot there was. But as I said, by today's standards it would be a good rally shot, nothing more.


But 9/10 of Ana's forehands are rally shots.

I'd agree with you that Ana's final 'kill shot' is a more powerful shot that any of Graf's - probably due to the game's development, with all of the top girls competing on the velocity at which they can thump their shots.

But Graf's forehand picked off at least as many as Ana's. Maybe not in 1987, when it was an offensive shot, but by the following year, and into the late 1990s, it was a killer blow.

But if that leaves them even, then you have to look at the 9/10 of Graf's forehands which were essentially rally shots, or drives. They had much more thrust to them than any of Ana's loopy shots.

Graf just didn't let up on her forehand. There was no compromise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd7_hUhRRvA

tennisbear7
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:02 AM
Conjectures/what ifs.



Bolded part being the key. The game has changed beyond recognition since then.

Nobody had kill shots in the 1990s, so Graf's FH "wreaked havoc". It was the closest thing to a kill shot there was. But as I said, by today's standards it would be a good rally shot, nothing more.

Lol.

OsloErik
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:04 AM
In terms of what we've actually seen, Ivanovic hits the bigger shot. BUT, if you look at how they produce their shot, Graf would hit a forehand harder than anyone on tour today if she used the current technology. If you look at that comparison on youtube, you can see how Graf accelerates into the shot much, much better than Ivanovic.

Simply put, it's a minor miracle Graf was able to produce shots as big as she produced with a racket as small as she used. For a player who grew up with a wooden racket, Graf's technique was rock solid (it wasn't good technique, but it was always the same, and it leveled anyone she played). The only player who ever took it to her in the forehand-to-forehand rallies was Mary Pierce at the French Open in '94.

While we haven't had a chance to see what Graf can do with a racket like Ivanovic's, just looking at their stroke production makes me think Graf would still tear up the courts.

And as another note to Fraulein Steffi (I think that's the name of the poster), we aren't comparing accomplishments. We're comparing forehands. And in that respect, accomplishments are moot. Steffi had a lot of things that helped her get those accomplishments (forehand, serve, movement, mind, athleticism, etc.) while Ivanovic really just has a forehand and a serve. So the accomplishment comparison doesn't really work. But on stroke production, I'd say Steffi wins pretty handily.

OsloErik
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:06 AM
But 9/10 of Ana's forehands are rally shots.

I'd agree with you that Ana's final 'kill shot' is a more powerful shot that any of Graf's - probably due to the game's development, with all of the top girls competing on the velocity at which they can thump their shots.

But Graf's forehand picked off at least as many as Ana's. Maybe not in 1987, when it was an offensive shot, but by the following year, and into the late 1990s, it was a killer blow.

But if that leaves them even, then you have to look at the 9/10 of Graf's forehands which were essentially rally shots, or drives. They had much more thrust to them than any of Ana's loopy shots.

Graf just didn't let up on her forehand. There was no compromise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd7_hUhRRvA

That's the best post so far. It's worth noting that Graf's rallying shots could be winners. That's how hard she hit them. Ivanovic wins by waiting for the right time. Graf could create the right time OR wait for it.

Steffica Greles
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSfMvwfjHUo&feature=related

sunsfuns
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:10 AM
And as another note to Fraulein Steffi (I think that's the name of the poster), we aren't comparing accomplishments. We're comparing forehands. And in that respect, accomplishments are moot. Steffi had a lot of things that helped her get those accomplishments (forehand, serve, movement, mind, athleticism, etc.) while Ivanovic really just has a forehand and a serve. So the accomplishment comparison doesn't really work. But on stroke production, I'd say Steffi wins pretty handily.

Exactly. Some people are so childish...

Steffi's forehand is probably still better, but this is a valid discussion. It's not like we are comparing Steffi's serve to Pin's :lol:

AcesHigh
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:11 AM
Ivanovic wins by waiting for the right time. Graf could create the right time OR wait for it.

Definitely Agree :yeah:

Sam L
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:14 AM
Graf's forehand is overrated but it's still better than Ivanovic's.

tennisbear7
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:17 AM
Graf's forehand is overrated but it's still better than Ivanovic's.

Overrated just like Sasha Cohen right?

Graf's forehand was her main offensive weapon on the court. And if it gets you 22 slams, hell some people would still call you overrated.

Steffica Greles
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:18 AM
Graf's forehand is overrated but it's still better than Ivanovic's.

It's not overrated, but one thing I will say is that towards the end of her career it was, in some matches, looking a little tame. Like she was struggling to get the same acceleration into the shot.

But that was only in some matches. In others, it all came together - like in the 1999 French in those three final rounds, and against Venus at Wimbledon 1999.

Kworb
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:19 AM
Graf of course. What a silly poll.

Uranium
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:22 AM
personally i'd take Mary Pierce's forehand, then Graf's

OsloErik
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:25 AM
personally i'd take Mary Pierce's forehand, then Graf's

You can have Pierce's if I get Graf's! Can I take the 22 slams over 2 while I'm at it? just kidding, of course, and I agree that Pierce's forehand, when on, was probably the most unreturnable shot of all time. Unfortunately, it only went for about four weeks a year.

WIMBLY2004
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:28 AM
Steffi's of course, it's the best of all time in woman's tennis, Ivanovic's is not even close.

Sam L
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:44 AM
Overrated just like Sasha Cohen right?

Graf's forehand was her main offensive weapon on the court. And if it gets you 22 slams, hell some people would still call you underrated.

22 slams because of a knife? Ho-hum. You can still win and achieve and still have a weapon that's overrated or a weapon that's underrated.

On a serious note there, I think her backhand was underrated. People talk like she had no backhand.

Let's leave other sports' athletes out of this, shall we? :rolleyes:

It's not overrated, but one thing I will say is that towards the end of her career it was, in some matches, looking a little tame. Like she was struggling to get the same acceleration into the shot.

But that was only in some matches. In others, it all came together - like in the 1999 French in those three final rounds, and against Venus at Wimbledon 1999.

Well maybe we should talk about how Monica Seles broke down her forehand then.

And if that's what you observed towards the end of her career - mind you she was only 29 - then maybe it wasn't that big of a weapon that it was hyped to be. In that Wimbledon match, it didn't look like her forehand was powerful at all. But in the late 80s yes, it was a big, powerful weapon against the likes of 30-somethings like Evert and Navratilova who didn't play the power game.

It's all relative.

Anabelcroft
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:45 AM
Agree,Graf often hit hard flat forehand which is more powerful in womens game then spin!

sunsfuns
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:50 AM
And if that's what you observed towards the end of her career - mind you she was only 29

29 is old in women's tennis. There is no one that old in top 10 right now.

WIMBLY2004
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:50 AM
It's funny how people are talking about Graf as if she is some kind of super human :o Fact is she is the most overrated player in history. You wouldn't be worshiping her as much if someone could've stopped Parche or if the whack job had never existed :o:rolleyes:

She won the golden slam already before the accident, she is the super human :worship:

hawkeye08
Apr 17th, 2008, 02:11 AM
Comparing rackets IMO is stupid because then you can say that Suzanne Lenglen or other champions for early 1900 have the best shots because they played with wooden sticks compared to today's equipment...That said, you cannot compare these two players because Ana is still young and hasn;t accomplished not nearly as much as Graf. Ivanovic's forehand is defintly good and has potential to be the best, but we will just have to wait and see.

For now, Graf.

LDVTennis
Apr 17th, 2008, 02:15 AM
There are 18 variations of the forehand shot:

Down the Line
Running Outwide Down the Line
Crosscourt
Running Outwide Crosscourt
Basic Roll
Extreme Crosscourt
Short Court (classified individually because of the special technique and/or grip change required)
Inside-out (backhand corner)
Inside-out (open position from middle of court)
Inside-in
Inside-in Short Angle
Inside-in Roll
Chip/Slice
Half-Volley
Full-Volley
Drop Volley
Chip Lob
Topspin Lob

There are examples of all variations in my Steffi Graf Channel on Youtube. See link --- http://www.youtube.com/user/LDVTennis.

As the video evidence shows, Steffi could hit all of the variations to great effect. It is this kind of versatility on the forehand that made her forehand such a spectacular and formidable shot. No matter the location and height of the ball, she had a forehand shot to deal with it.

The same can only be said of one other player in the history of the game. That would be Roger Federer with his forehand.

domon17th
Apr 17th, 2008, 02:45 AM
LDVTennis:worship::worship:

I admire Graf and watching some of her matches on youtube it's amazing how much she can do with her forehand. Ivanovic has a big forehand as well, but most of the time, just a big make-or-break shot IMO.

And steffica, :worship: for all you neutral and informative posts.

Renalicious
Apr 17th, 2008, 03:21 AM
Lol. Come on. Steffi's forehand at age 80 would still be better than Ana's now.

Dunlop1
Apr 17th, 2008, 03:23 AM
There are 18 variations of the forehand shot:

Down the Line
Running Outwide Down the Line
Crosscourt
Running Outwide Crosscourt
Basic Roll
Extreme Crosscourt
Short Court (classified individually because of the special technique and/or grip change required)
Inside-out (backhand corner)
Inside-out (open position from middle of court)
Inside-in
Inside-in Short Angle
Inside-in Roll
Chip/Slice
Half-Volley
Full-Volley
Drop Volley
Chip Lob
Topspin Lob

There are examples of all variations in my Steffi Graf Channel on Youtube. See link --- http://www.youtube.com/user/LDVTennis.


:weirdo: THis thread is about who has a better forehand drive, and you are bringing up chip lob and slice :help:
Wake up!

kiwifan
Apr 17th, 2008, 03:30 AM
Fraulein Forehand. :lol:



.

Dunlop1
Apr 17th, 2008, 03:30 AM
I don't know if the 2 can be compared because the racquet technology is a bit different. Ana still uses a midplus 95sq in, which I think is the same head size Steffi used at some point in her career but the racquet composition/balance of Ana's gives her more power and less control than Steffi's racquets.

They both have MEAN forehands. I will say that Ana's technique is better to me. She takes the ball more in front and really gets her weight into the shot. Excellent topspin drive she possesses.
Ana hits her forehand harder than Graf. I won't discuss movement because we are talking about forehands alone.

So basically all other things being equal, on a mid court ball that sits up, who hits the better forehand?
I'm going to say Ivanovic.

Dunlop1
Apr 17th, 2008, 03:35 AM
Lets List her accomplishments which are undisputable...

BUNCH OF UNNECESSARY, UNRELATED, SUPERFLUOUS INFORMATION...

Thank you for the thesis of Steffi (you even included her biography :help:)

For future reference please stay on topic next time and stop wasting bandwith. Go and edit her wiki or something. Later.

DOUBLEFIST
Apr 17th, 2008, 05:19 AM
This is a very silly question.

Steffi, of course. The results speak for themselves.

serena_fan
Apr 17th, 2008, 08:54 AM
Ivanoivc of course

spencercarlos
Apr 17th, 2008, 10:48 AM
You can have Pierce's if I get Graf's! Can I take the 22 slams over 2 while I'm at it? just kidding, of course, and I agree that Pierce's forehand, when on, was probably the most unreturnable shot of all time. Unfortunately, it only went for about four weeks a year.
Sure and when on Lucics forehand is an all time great as well

mapaliey
Apr 17th, 2008, 10:55 AM
graf by far.................

blackcrave
Apr 17th, 2008, 10:58 AM
i think ivanovic... i've never seen graf play so that is my opinion

mapaliey
Apr 17th, 2008, 11:05 AM
i think ivanovic... i've never seen graf play so that is my opinion

why comment?...:lol:

mapaliey
Apr 17th, 2008, 11:06 AM
Ivanoivc of course

who?????:lol:

Vamos.
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:38 PM
I can't believe this thread even exists! :tape:

disaster. Comparing THAT with probably the best women's player ever? :help:

Even if it is just the forehand. I don't really believe Ana has the best forehand in the current game. :o

Adal
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:40 PM
OF COURSE IT'S ana My gUrL'

justine schnyder
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:43 PM
Steffi's, she the greatest.

justine schnyder
Apr 17th, 2008, 12:48 PM
I can't believe this thread even exists! :tape:

disaster. Comparing THAT with probably the best women's player ever? :help:

Even if it is just the forehand. I don't really believe Ana has the best forehand in the current game. :o

Agree

Steffica Greles
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:27 PM
Sure and when on Lucics forehand is an all time great as well

In that case, so is mine.

Trouble is, rather like Lucic, I can hit it damn hard, but it usually hits the back fence.

laurie
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:47 PM
I can't believe this thread even exists! :tape:

disaster. Comparing THAT with probably the best women's player ever? :help:

Even if it is just the forehand. I don't really believe Ana has the best forehand in the current game. :o

Like I said, it was an interesting discussion taking place on Tennis Warehouse asking the same question

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=192163

85 replies there so far. A lot of guys have tried to answer the question on its merits considering both are talented athletes. They don't seem to take the view that because Graf has 22 slams the question shouldn't be put forward, they are been imaginative. And a lot of people here have also been trying to be imaginative by looking at the question on its merits.

By the way, who do you consider to have the best forehand today?

azinna
Apr 17th, 2008, 01:59 PM
Even if we were to give Ana the power edge (and thus ignore the effects of technology), Steffi's forehand edges clear of competition for three very significant reasons:

(a) the greater consistency of her forcing shot: if winning required her to hit 3-5 winners in a rally, she would do that when it mattered or sometimes just as a matter of course, Ana would more often than not come up with the error;

(b) the greater versatility of her forehand: she could hit a forceful shot from the most unlikely of places, and opponents had as much trouble dealing with the disguise, placement and angles of the shot coming back as they did with the hard flat shot into the corner. That was Venus' issue in that Wimbledon 99 classic. It's also, to be honest, Ana's problem now, as well as the reason I'd take Henin's 2007 forehand over hers, any day;

(c) her ability to create rather than wait: because of the above and more, Steffi relied little on the appearance of the "right ball or moment" for hitting the winner; a good 70-85% of her opponents balls were winner-worthy for her, and this f*cked up their anticipation and rhythm like nothing else. Also made some feel like spectators. Even against medium-pace strokers, Ana can't afford that approach to the rally.

In summary: Ana's is undoubtedly a potent shot, but when comparing it to Steffi's (or Mary's and Lindsay's, even Elena's), one realizes just how much more reliant she is on having things be right for that winning shot, and how often they aren't. The difference is significant enough, and to me she's more reminiscent of Sveta than Steffi.

Matt01
Apr 17th, 2008, 02:06 PM
:weirdo: THis thread is about who has a better forehand drive, and you are bringing up chip lob and slice :help:
Wake up!


Who said that this thread is only about the forehand drive? :shrug:

OsloErik
Apr 17th, 2008, 02:38 PM
22 slams because of a knife? Ho-hum. You can still win and achieve and still have a weapon that's overrated or a weapon that's underrated.

Prior to Seles being stabbed, Graf won 11 slams, including a minimum of two on each surface. Call me when Ivanovic wins a slam. I wait anxiously with baited breath.


Well maybe we should talk about how Monica Seles broke down her forehand then.

And if that's what you observed towards the end of her career - mind you she was only 29 - then maybe it wasn't that big of a weapon that it was hyped to be. In that Wimbledon match, it didn't look like her forehand was powerful at all. But in the late 80s yes, it was a big, powerful weapon against the likes of 30-somethings like Evert and Navratilova who didn't play the power game.

WELL, we have two things here. First, you can say Seles broke down Graf's forehand, but that doesn't explain why, all of a sudden, Sabatini, Sanchez-Vicario, Martinez, and a host of other players SUDDENLY managed to break down her game as well (starting before Seles got her first career win over Graf) and ending after roughly the 1993 US Open. I'd say it's more accurate to point out that Graf's forehand broke down, but I wouldn't call Seles the primary impetus. I mean, the poor girl only had 4 wins over her in that time frame. Sabatini had what, six? Judging by Graf's bonespur removal surgery after the 1992 season, and her gradual improvement throughout 1993, I think there's an awful lot that makes sense.

As for her forehand looking like it did in 1998 and 1999, let's see Ivanovic get her knee built from scratch and hit a forehand.

I'm not even a Graf fan (Seles was my favorite in the early 90's) but enough trying to rewrite history already.

OsloErik
Apr 17th, 2008, 02:41 PM
Sure and when on Lucics forehand is an all time great as well

Definitely; there have been entire GAMES in her career where she's had an all time great forehand! ;)

Thieving Magpie
Apr 17th, 2008, 03:10 PM
Even if we were to give Ana the power edge (and thus ignore the effects of technology), Steffi's forehand edges clear of competition for three very significant reasons:

(a) the greater consistency of her forcing shot: if winning required her to hit 3-5 winners in a rally, she would do that when it mattered or sometimes just as a matter of course, Ana would more often than not come up with the error;

(b) the greater versatility of her forehand: she could hit a forceful shot from the most unlikely of places, and opponents had as much trouble dealing with the disguise, placement and angles of the shot coming back as they did with the hard flat shot into the corner. That was Venus' issue in that Wimbledon 99 classic. It's also, to be honest, Ana's problem now, as well as the reason I'd take Henin's 2007 forehand over hers, any day;

(c) her ability to create rather than wait: because of the above and more, Steffi relied little on the appearance of the "right ball or moment" for hitting the winner; a good 70-85% of her opponents balls were winner-worthy for her, and this f*cked up their anticipation and rhythm like nothing else. Also made some feel like spectators. Even against medium-pace strokers, Ana can't afford that approach to the rally.

In summary: Ana's is undoubtedly a potent shot, but when comparing it to Steffi's (or Mary's and Lindsay's, even Elena's), one realizes just how much more reliant she is on having things be right for that winning shot, and how often they aren't. The difference is significant enough, and to me she's more reminiscent of Sveta than Steffi.

I think that applies to most current WTA players at the moment. Steffi Graf could rely consistently on her forehand, backhand, volleys, service, whatever. Today a lot of players can produce spectacular shots in one match but fail to reproduce them in the next one. The best example being Sharapova. Her forehand too can be a deadly weapon if it works, but look at how often it actually does work. I think this general inconsistence is a huge part of the reason why we don't have a really dominant player at the moment. The good thing about this, is that it makes women's tennis more interesting and unpredictable. Anything can happen at any day.

MistyGrey
Apr 17th, 2008, 05:21 PM
Why are we even having this discussion!

Anabelcroft
Apr 17th, 2008, 07:06 PM
Because some people do not want to hear the truth-Graf had the best forehand in womens history!

pov
Apr 17th, 2008, 08:19 PM
In that case, so is mine.

Trouble is, rather like Lucic, I can hit it damn hard, but it usually hits the back fence.

Hey don't knock that. You're probably great at cricket. ;)

pov
Apr 17th, 2008, 08:23 PM
I'll up the ante here. Heh. I say that if Graf and Ivanovic played a match this year, Graf would win.

spiritedenergy
Apr 17th, 2008, 08:24 PM
Ana's by far. Ana would have blown Graf out of the court with both FH and BH. No comparison. The game has changed immensely and Graf would have never coped with Ana's power and angles. Additionally Graf's FH was her only rally shot, she hit winners only after 3-4 FHs on average per rally. Ana's FH is usually a winner after 1-2.

Graf actually generated more power with the BH in 1988. I was watching the Wimbledon final and Graf was throwing bombs with the BH to Navratilova at the net.

Tennisstar86
Apr 17th, 2008, 08:56 PM
Ana's by far. Ana would have blown Graf out of the court with both FH and BH. No comparison. The game has changed immensely and Graf would have never coped with Ana's power and angles. Additionally Graf's FH was her only rally shot, she hit winners only after 3-4 FHs on average per rally. Ana's FH is usually a winner after 1-2.

Graf actually generated more power with the BH in 1988. I was watching the Wimbledon final and Graf was throwing bombs with the BH to Navratilova at the net.

:haha: Graf managed to win 22 GS titles (her last not even 10 years ago) and while i think she was aided by the dissappearence of a few better players... you cant honestly say she couldnt cope with todays game and beat Ana who couldnt contruct a point if her life depended on it.... :tape:

anon57
Apr 17th, 2008, 08:57 PM
Ivanovic has one of the most fluent looking forehand in the game today and although it's a great shot, I wouldn't even call it the greatest forehand in the game today much less compare it to Graf's forehand. That said it's extremely difficult if not impossible to compare different era's.

LDVTennis
Apr 18th, 2008, 12:08 AM
So basically all other things being equal, on a mid court ball that sits up, who hits the better forehand?
I'm going to say Ivanovic.

Conclusion: If tennis were a game played against a ball machine that constantly lobbed the ball over the net so it sat up high in the back middle of the court, Ivanovic would be the greatest ever.

Well, you know what. It isn't?

And, that's why Graf's forehand was superior.

fammmmedspin
Apr 18th, 2008, 02:20 AM
I wouldn't say Sabatini, Seles or ASV managed to break down Steffi's game . She had a lot of things going on in her life and a lot of injuries and some people just played well enough to exploit other aspects of her game or in one or two cases played brilliantly and then couldn't keep it up.
The point is that Graf managed to work out how to beat all of them in turn to the point they were not that threatening and as she did she gained in her ability to pull out the win. Significantly you can even see the shots in matches that did it against some people. When Ana can hit the forehands Steffi hit in the key games to win Wimbledon against Sabatini and Novotna or can keep her forehamd in play for as long as Steffi did in that ASV game in 1995 there might be something to compare.

Anabelcroft
Apr 18th, 2008, 02:37 AM
That game that lasted something like 23 or 25 minutes?

AaronJoyB
Apr 18th, 2008, 07:20 AM
Steffi without doubt but Ana is in her path even if 1000km away yet

laurie
Apr 20th, 2008, 12:53 PM
This is an interesting comparison of the two forehands discussed by Cliff Drysdale - someone posted on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqmuDsDSPHA

OsloErik
Apr 22nd, 2008, 10:33 AM
The only major difference I can see in their forehands in that clip is the distance from the body. Steffi's forehand was always extremely close to her body; it always was a head scratcher as to how she got so much pop on that shot. Ivanovic's is close to the body, but her elbow is at least two inches further away than Steffi's.

Anabelcroft
Apr 22nd, 2008, 11:41 AM
If you want still to compare Graf and Ivanovic game,just remember that Graf has winning H2H against Davenport,who crushed Ana few days ago,so...talking about it makes nonsence!

Zhao
Apr 23rd, 2008, 05:20 AM
Ana hit it with an open stance

Graf hit it with a close stance

both are devastating but i give my vote to Graf

LDVTennis
Apr 23rd, 2008, 08:04 AM
The only major difference I can see in their forehands in that clip is the distance from the body. Steffi's forehand was always extremely close to her body; it always was a head scratcher as to how she got so much pop on that shot. Ivanovic's is close to the body, but her elbow is at least two inches further away than Steffi's.

One theory that has been advanced is that the closer your elbow is to your body on the forehand stroke, the more rotational velocity your swing has.

Tucking the elbow in as she did also has the added benefit of setting up the forearm and hand to execute the shot. That's a good thing because most of one's ability to improvise on the shot comes from the snap of the forearm and the movement of the hand.

It is also worth noting that the profile of Steffi's swing isn't always the same. She has the amazing capacity on the forehand to alter her swing to adjust to the flight and location of the ball. For instance, by 1996, she no longer used this tucked elbow technique on balls hit outwide to the forehand corner. She became more comfortable with letting the elbow hang out a little and extending into the shot. With her standard technique (the tucked elbow) on shots like this, the problem had always been that she tended some of the time to overrun the shot and other times to hook it (late). By 1996, she had developed an effective swing path for even her least favorite forehand shot.

nestor_bgd
Apr 23rd, 2008, 10:53 AM
I never liked Graf :p, to tell you the truth I think that everything won after 1993 she owns to Ginter Parhe :fiery::fiery::fiery:! And than she married my favourite tennis player :fiery: !!!She was most certainly born under a lucky star! And I've seen the comparison of their forehand on youtube, it was evident they do the shot equaly! Ana has the advantage when it comes to strength, and Graf probably wins in control and precision! I can't wait for Ana to start her clay cort season :bounce::bounce::bounce:!

TheBoiledEgg
Apr 23rd, 2008, 12:56 PM
Steffi's FH is light years ahead of anyone who's played the game.

nestor_bgd
Apr 23rd, 2008, 01:36 PM
If you want still to compare Graf and Ivanovic game,just remember that Graf has winning H2H against Davenport,who crushed Ana few days ago,so...talking about it makes nonsence!

But Sharapova crushed LD on AO, so does that make her better than all of them, and even further Ana crushed Sharapova on RG last year, that must make her better than anyone Sharapova ever beat!!! Everyone can have a bad day and be crushed, get over it already! Your point with head to head ratio is ridiculous :wavey:

Conor
Apr 23rd, 2008, 09:26 PM
:lol: This poll result is ridiculous... Ana's forehand is so much better.

RedRaider1
Apr 23rd, 2008, 11:43 PM
The Graf forehand is the single greatest stroke in the history of women's tennis.

spencercarlos
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:39 AM
Steffi's FH is light years ahead of anyone who's played the game.
Besides all the bs worshiping posts from LVD i have to agree that Graf´s forehand is light years ahead above anybody on tour.

spencercarlos
Apr 24th, 2008, 02:48 AM
It is also worth noting that the profile of Steffi's swing isn't always the same. She has the amazing capacity on the forehand to alter her swing to adjust to the flight and location of the ball.

it is impossible really to account for all the small adjustments Steffi made from forehand to forehand.
Your posts are really more ridiculous as time goes on, and your worshiping towards to the great Steffi Graf becomes annoying.

For a fact Graf was not the only one breathing in this world, everybody alive does, so everybody does have "to adjust to the flight and location of the ball" and make a different swing according to the flight, location and even reacting to the bounce of the ball. So Graf is not the only one to do this :tape:

LDVTennis
Apr 24th, 2008, 03:51 AM
Your posts are really more ridiculous as time goes on, and your worshiping towards to the great Steffi Graf becomes annoying.

For a fact Graf was not the only one breathing in this world, everybody alive does, so everybody does have "to adjust to the flight and location of the ball" and make a different swing according to the flight, location and even reacting to the bounce of the ball. So Graf is not the only one to do this :tape:

For a fact?

Weren't you the person who argued that you could not hit a twist serve outwide to the AD court, because one of its spin components was slice? Was that a fact too?

Weren't you the person who argued that a chip and slice shot were two different things? Was that also a fact of yours?

I'll add this "fact" to the list. Keep them coming!:p

LudwigDvorak
Apr 24th, 2008, 04:22 AM
I'll just say Lena D has the GOAT forehand and put this silly argument between those two wannabes to rest.

LUIS9
Apr 24th, 2008, 05:52 AM
There's simply no point of comparison between these two forehands. Graf's was so much more consistent, Ivanovic's whole game is still so raw and hit and miss. There was no hit and miss with Graf it was pretty much all hit and strike a win. :hatoff:

Dor Y
Apr 24th, 2008, 09:11 AM
Graf's forehand is better without a doubt

rada
Apr 24th, 2008, 09:31 AM
Graf maybe in the 80's:lol: Ana has the better forehand now :)

spencercarlos
Apr 24th, 2008, 03:17 PM
Graf maybe in the 80's:lol: Ana has the better forehand now :)
Flashnews Graf was contesting for grand slams in 99.

missvarsha
Apr 24th, 2008, 05:25 PM
Graf maybe in the 80's Ana has the better forehand now

Ok. Thats like saying Sharapova has better volleys than Margaret Court, Evonne Cawley and Martina Navratilove rolled into one now.
Obviously, this is (yet another) "peak" discussion.

And yet again, the "peak" discussion defeats itself. Now while it may be possible that Ana may be able to hit a forehand thats harder, faster and more accurate than Steffi Graf ever did, can she hit it a hundred times in a row, a hundred matches in a row ? Evidently not. Just based on sheer consistency and durability, Graf wins hands down.