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Sam L
Feb 3rd, 2008, 01:00 PM
Just looking through Fed Cup history in the last years and noticed that the last year that the Williams really played a big role in the Fed Cup was in 1999 when they with Davenport helped the USA to a victory.

Since then they haven't really participated in that competition full-time. Since then, they've also been the best players in the world with Henin being the only one who comes into the equation at all.

Anyway, I just think it's funny that the two best players in the world haven't turned up for the competition especially as they are enough to make a team and carry the team to a victory.

If the Williams sisters actually committed to playing Fed Cup, the USA would've been most of the Fed Cups since 1999.

Uranium
Feb 3rd, 2008, 02:42 PM
Henin doesn't play Fed Cup much too, what's your point?
They try to help USA as much as they can,they can't play everytime, they need rest.

vettipooh
Feb 3rd, 2008, 02:49 PM
Imagine how much more injuries they would have sustained. :rolleyes: And how much more flack they would have gotten for pulling out of tournys from injuries/exhaustion/I need a break. :rolleyes: They get enough heat as it is. And why isn't Justine, the world's best, at Fed Cup this week??

Sam L
Feb 3rd, 2008, 02:58 PM
Justine can't win Fed Cup on her own. She can at most win 2 rubbers.

But the Williams sisters can make a team and win ties on their own.

That's the difference.

This isn't a criticism of the Williams sisters but rather that the winners of the Fed Cup haven't necessarily been the best players. In other words, if the best turns up, those that won probably wouldn't have won.

Uranium
Feb 3rd, 2008, 03:00 PM
Justine can win 2 singles and carry the doubles team, so stop attacking the WS commitment, which you are doing, to their country.

KBdoubleu
Feb 3rd, 2008, 03:01 PM
Justine can't win Fed Cup on her own. She can at most win 2 rubbers.

But the Williams sisters can make a team and win ties on their own.

That's the difference.

This isn't a criticism of the Williams sisters but rather that the winners of the Fed Cup haven't necessarily been the best players. In other words, if the best turns up, those that won probably wouldn't have won.

Yeah Kim C would have just dragged down the team and definitely wouldn't have been able to win a singles rubber on her own...

Sam L
Feb 3rd, 2008, 03:28 PM
Justine can win 2 singles and carry the doubles team, so stop attacking the WS commitment, which you are doing, to their country.

It's not a question of commitment. It's about the best players (teams) winning. Frankly, I don't think the best have won the Fed Cup. It has become a bit of a joke.

The sisters have their slams to cement their greatness this decade and it would be good to have the Fed Cups too.

Who knows, maybe they'll turn up in the semifinals against Russia to give Maria the fright of her life. :lol:

schorsch
Feb 3rd, 2008, 03:40 PM
I think for this tie I wouldnt have bothered the sisters neither to play Fed Cup. They cant play all the ties and its better to ask them to play in the next rounds against tougher opponents. Just looking at the German team one might have thought: we dont need them for this tie. Lindsay losing to Sabine was a shock loss, they didnt expect that at all. But last year they played, so you cant hold anything against them. I'm sure that if the USA progresses tonight, they'll help out in the semis.

Sam L
Feb 3rd, 2008, 03:42 PM
I think for this tie I wouldnt have bothered the sisters neither to play Fed Cup. They cant play all the ties and its better to ask them to play in the next rounds against tougher opponents. Just looking at the German team one might have thought: we dont need them for this tie. Lindsay losing to Sabine was a shock loss, they didnt expect that at all. But last year they played, so you cant hold anything against them. I'm sure that if the USA progress tonight, they'll help out in the semis.

Let me clarify: I'm NOT talking about this particular tie. I'm talking about important ties from 2000-2007. I mean let's see countries like Italy won it? Weak.

drake3781
Feb 3rd, 2008, 08:56 PM
Is there prize money for Fed Cup? (If so, how much?) Might help answer your question.

schorsch
Feb 3rd, 2008, 09:26 PM
Yes, there is, but it's not an official one. Every federation handles it differently. It's kind of like a "bonus" the players receive.

Some players dont see playing Fed Cup as an honour, so they sort of want to be paid like it was a job. Barbara Rittner (German Fed Cup captain) had a big fight with some players over this and other issues.

Svetlana.
Feb 3rd, 2008, 10:12 PM
Only if...

If Federer would have committed to the Davis Cup and his country then Switzerland would have won the Davis Cup every single year.

Dave.
Feb 3rd, 2008, 10:21 PM
It is a shame the USA haven't won the Fed Cup since 2000. They have had 4 of the best players of this decade (Lindsay, Jennifer, Serena, Venus + Monica until 2003) and yet have only made one final since 2000 (and that final didn't feature any of the above players).

They have had the above 5 singles players, all who have dominated the game since 2000. They have also had 2 exceptional doubles teams in Lindsay/Lisa and S/V.

But I think in recent years, the best team has won (Russia). It's just they haven't been pushed enough by other countries.

schorsch
Feb 3rd, 2008, 10:48 PM
But Russia has so many players you know. You just wonder what the USTA is doing when the USA is such a big country, but they still can't come up with decent young and upcoming players. Thats why Russia is doing so well.

Belgium lost to Italy in 2006, yeah, but the entire team was only based on two players: Justine who had trouble with her knee and Clijsters who was out with a wrist injury.

SV_Fan
Feb 3rd, 2008, 11:52 PM
Big competition is hard to find now and days at fed mostly. I.E. Kirsten flipkens.

Sam L
Feb 3rd, 2008, 11:59 PM
But Russia has so many players you know. You just wonder what the USTA is doing when the USA is such a big country, but they still can't come up with decent young and upcoming players. Thats why Russia is doing so well.

Belgium lost to Italy in 2006, yeah, but the entire team was only based on two players: Justine who had trouble with her knee and Clijsters who was out with a wrist injury.

Russia may have so many players but are any of them stars?

In the last ten years, the USA has had stars in the Williams, Davenport, Capriati etc... All multiple slam winners.

Russia has.... Maria Sharapova.

Paneru
Feb 4th, 2008, 04:02 AM
So, point fingers at Venus & Serena
for not playing between 00'-02'?

Let's see:

2000: USA(Lindsay, Jennifer, Monica, & Lisa) won Fed Cup
2001: No Team
2002: USA(Jennifer, Monica, Meghann, Lisa) lost 1st rd Fed Cup

IMO, with these ladies playing, their
was no need for V&S to play.

In 2003 with V&S both helped in progressing the USA to the final.
In the final the US Team wasn't strong enough and both V&S were injured, out for 6 & 8 months respectively.

Venus has played Fed Cup at some point every year since 03'
with the exception of 06' due to her wirst injury. (And let's
not forget that Venus after her two Wimbledon's in 05' & 07'
could've easily & justifiably bailed on Fed Cup, but she did not.)
And IIRC, Venus was injured in 2000 for the 1st 4 months of the year with her wrist and didn't return
until the clay season by which time the USA was already gone. Anyways, her dominance didn't begin until that summer.

Serena has only played twice in Fed Cup since 99', but for her
she has been injured less than Venus but her type of injures kept her out longer. During her 02' Dominance, one cannot blame her for not playing Fed Cup, she was busy enough winning 3 of 4 Slams.


So, you can't wag your finger at Serena and especially Venus.
Or blame them for why the USA hasn't won a Fed Cup Title
since 2000. They've been trying hard since 03' and just haven't
had enough of the big stars healthy enough long enough or at the right times to take them to the title.