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s_j
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Who will win?

Shoulderpova
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:33 PM
show some respect to Elena :rolleyes:

IMPOSSIBLE
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:34 PM
Venus has 2 MP's Now

BuTtErFrEnA
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:37 PM
venus in 2 :)

vwfan
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:38 PM
Venus in two.

Russianboy
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:38 PM
definitely maria :)

The Dawntreader
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:40 PM
definitely maria :)

I wouldnt say definitely at all. Venus is by far the better player in every department. I feel it will all depend on Venus tbh, it's in her hands with the athleticsm and the serve:)

Helaena
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:41 PM
this is a good match :drool:

Bartosh
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:44 PM
Venus - 6/4 6/3

serena_fan
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:46 PM
Venus in 2

Serenidad.
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:48 PM
Venus in 3 a 1-6 6-3 6-2 wake up call.

kaktusino
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:49 PM
Maria she great form now.

Helaena
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:54 PM
im definitely excited about this match....yay! :bounce:
we will see both ladies form....williams vs. masha once again,
my bet is on maria, but i won't cheer for her in the cheering thread, she might lose like most of the players i cheered for since yesterday! :tape:

Jovana.
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:57 PM
Maria :bounce:

joćo.
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:58 PM
sharapova!

Doc
Jan 4th, 2008, 12:59 PM
Most people are saying Venus will win...

Maybe she will. Maybe Maria will. But an exhibition result is not that significant either way. I doubt they'll play all-out.

Serge007
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:02 PM
I think Sharapova.
b/c it's hard. Not grass.

A Magicman
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Pova in 2

mankind
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:08 PM
Sharapova. Venus isn't looking good enough/doesn't care enough.

Russianboy
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:10 PM
I wouldnt say definitely at all. Venus is by far the better player in every department. I feel it will all depend on Venus tbh, it's in her hands with the athleticsm and the serve:)

in every department? nah, i dont think so. venus has a stringer first serve and better footbwork, but maria is more consistent. Concistency is a very big part in tennis. u cant just bash the ball.
but i hope it will be a great match ending maria as the winner :D

mankind
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:20 PM
Neither of these players seem to have any court sense at all. They both just use their size to bash the ball around. At least Venus is a great athlete, I suppose, but that usually only shows on grass.

Volcana
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:20 PM
I wouldnt say definitely at all. Venus is by far the better player in every department. I feel it will all depend on Venus tbh, it's in her hands with the athleticsm and the serve:)Assuimng Sharapova has got her serve working again, they are basically the same player, except Venus runs a lot faster. Sharapova has a more consistent forehand, Venus has a more consistent backhand. Sharapova's second serve is better, Venus volleys better and gets to the net better. But the differences, except for footspeed and second serve, are incremental. Venus plays her best against players who consistently hit the ball hard. Sharapova consistently hits the ball hard. Sharapova has won every time they played on hard courts. Venus has won every time they played on grass.


I actually think Sharpaova will will, primarily because winning would mean more to her. Venus blew her off the court at Wimbledon, so Venus can shrug off a loss in an exo. A Sharapova loss, especially in straight sets, increases doubt in Sharapova's mind.


NOTE: It IS an exo. They may have already decided who's going to win, or decided that they each win a set, then actually only 'play' the third.

Andrew Laeddis
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:26 PM
Venus can shrug off a loss in an exo. A Sharapova loss, especially in straight sets, increases doubt in Sharapova's mind.


I do think the win is more crucial for maria especially with her 2007 results against the william sisters and even if she does have serve back she may very well serve poorly if venus starts to return well.

serenus_2k8
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:29 PM
I am really excited!! Woo! Either way it should be a great match. Obviously I want Vee to win but I think either could take it...:) Good luck to both, hope they perform well!

Topspin2
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:44 PM
Of Course Maria in 2 :D
Go Maria!!!

@Sweet Cleopatra
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:53 PM
I am so excited about this match , what happened on Wimbledon is not easy ,
Maria will not leave this match ,
she'll win ,

Michael!
Jan 4th, 2008, 01:55 PM
V E N U S

Mikey B
Jan 4th, 2008, 02:36 PM
hard to say.. i think venus is playing better, but we never see maria's real form till she meets a big opponent so if she's up for the fight she could win it... but its still just an exhibition and sharapova always loses those!!! i'd rather she lose here and then beat her in melbourne!!

danieln1
Jan 4th, 2008, 02:38 PM
Maria in three

Marcelo.
Jan 4th, 2008, 02:40 PM
Venus !!

Highlandman
Jan 4th, 2008, 02:42 PM
Venus :drool: Not 6-1,6-3 like in Wimbledon, I say something like 7-5,6-4 or so :D

C'mon Venus! Year 2008 started so great for her so far :worship::worship::worship:

Marcell
Jan 4th, 2008, 02:42 PM
Venus Williams, Sharapova reach final of Hong Kong exhibition

- Six-time Grand Slam champion Venus Williams and Russian Maria Sharapova on Friday advanced to the final of the JB Group Classic exhibition tournament in Hong Kong _ a warmup for the Australian Open.



The American, however, apparently injured herself during a 6-3, 6-3 win over another Russian, world No. 11 Elena Dementieva.

A trainer massaged her back during the match. Williams said after the match she wasn't sure about the nature of the injury _ she said she thought she hurt her hamstring but the trainer suspected the discomfort originated from her back.

Williams also said she was worried about re-injuring her left wrist but said it was currently healthy.

"It was really strange. I was able to get through the match even though she (Dementieva) was playing really well," Williams said of her new injury.

Dementieva played inconsistently after upsetting world No. 4, Serbian Ana Ivanovic, in the quarterfinals.

She double faulted and missed a forehand and a backhand in the final game to give Williams the break and the match.

Sharapova beat Russian compatriot Anna Chakvetadze 6-4, 6-2 in the other semifinal.

Both players struggled at first, dropping their opening two service games. Sharapova finally held in the sixth game to give her a 4-2 lead from where she took the opening set.

World No. 6 Chakvetadze double-faulted to help give Sharapova breaks in the first and seventh games of the second set and a 5-2 lead. Sharapova held again to take the match.

"I was a little slow at the beginning, definitely, but the good thing is that I recovered from that," Sharapova said, adding that she took chances on some second serves.

The form of Sharapova, Chakvetadze and Dementieva in the lead-up to the Australian Open _ beginning Jan. 14 _ showed the Russian threat would be strong in Melbourne.

Sharapova said the number of Russians in the top echelons of women's tennis was remarkable because they all trained in different places _ instead of emerging from a single program.

"Some of the girls trained in Spain, I trained in the U.S., some stayed in Russia. It wasn't like all of us were together, raised together and ate the same food," she said.

Wilson_07
Jan 4th, 2008, 02:43 PM
it will be a very close match... i think both of these women can win it, but it could also be that it's an error filled match like their last hard court-match in miami last year...but this time it's just an exo,so they shouldn't take it too serious...we have to hope that they can both perform well and put up a good fight

Emina.
Jan 4th, 2008, 02:44 PM
hmm...my heart says Masha ...but my mind says ..Masha ..its great!! :worship::bounce::bounce:

take it Maria! :yeah:

Chance
Jan 4th, 2008, 02:50 PM
so Venus is injured?

why play in these cold conditions...wish Venus would play Australia...

TatiNovic
Jan 4th, 2008, 02:59 PM
Masha 2-6 7-5 6-3!!

Destiny
Jan 4th, 2008, 03:01 PM
Venus all the way
the mood shes in she will win easy

maja.amelie
Jan 4th, 2008, 03:04 PM
Venus

vw.
Jan 4th, 2008, 03:34 PM
what? Back, hamstring AND concern over her wrist? I don't like the sound of that, lol.
Based on this, I think Sharapova will win in straights. Prove me wrong though, Venus!

santhuruu
Jan 4th, 2008, 03:37 PM
I voted for Sharapova, since Venus has got a back injury.

RJWCapriati
Jan 4th, 2008, 03:48 PM
V. Williams

6-0, 6-4

Dodoboy.
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:03 PM
damn i said NO injuries!!!! DAMN!!

jerryxiao1988
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:06 PM
This is Maria's last match before AO, I think she will take it serious.
Maria in 3

mashamaniac
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:12 PM
Maria in straight sets!

Tennisation
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:13 PM
depends on Venus' injury

mashamaniac
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:20 PM
hmm...my heart says Masha ...but my mind says ..Masha ..its great!! :worship::bounce::bounce:

take it Maria! :yeah:

lol :worship::worship::hearts::lol::lol:

Tennisstar86
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:24 PM
happy to see chak is still sharapovas whipping toy...

MrSerenaWilliams
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:39 PM
Venus 7-5 5-7 7-6 :drool:

LudwigDvorak
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:48 PM
hmm...my heart says Masha ...but my mind says ..Masha ..its great!! :worship::bounce::bounce:


:lol: :lol:

From the sounds of the fans (WTAWers) Elena played like shit, but Venus was very strong, even after the trainer came out. And she still has so many aches and pains? In her second not-even-serious match back? I'm really worried about her...:sad:

I want to say she should withdraw from the event, but...eh.

starin
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:54 PM
Doesn't the winner of HK never win the AO?
So seeing as this is just an exhibition I'm going to say SHARAPVOA.
All I really want is for Venus to not be injured. I mean come on, second match of the year and it's only exhibitions. I just hope she leaves HK perfectly healthy. No more injuries:fiery:

Shimizu Amon
Jan 4th, 2008, 04:59 PM
I hope Masha will win in 2 good sets.

goldenlox
Jan 4th, 2008, 05:07 PM
Sharapova.

Helaena
Jan 4th, 2008, 05:16 PM
oh, i love it i love it i love it :hearts:

i think masha wants this more than venus do, after her humiliating losses against the WS last year, she is definitely up to the challenge now....and i think she is back!

so i say masha!

AcesHigh
Jan 4th, 2008, 05:16 PM
Venus in a routine win. She's just a better player and Sharapova's style of play fits her perfectly.

Venus has also won 3 of the last 4 matches(including the Seoul exhibition in 2005.. so she HAS defeated her on hardcourt if we count that) and in Miami they were both horrific.

@Sweet Cleopatra
Jan 4th, 2008, 05:48 PM
venus LOST to Maria on Miami ,

tojja
Jan 4th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Sharapova 2-0 :)

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 4th, 2008, 06:14 PM
It's not grass. Masha will have an edge.

AcesHigh
Jan 4th, 2008, 06:38 PM
It's not grass. Masha will have an edge.

I think the grass vs. hardcourt argument is kinda ridiculous.

Why does Maria have the edge on hardcourt? It's as if people think that Sharapova would have beaten Venus in those matches if they were on hardcourt.

doni1212
Jan 4th, 2008, 07:04 PM
When is the match? What time Hong Kong?

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 4th, 2008, 07:09 PM
I think the grass vs. hardcourt argument is kinda ridiculous.

Why does Maria have the edge on hardcourt? It's as if people think that Sharapova would have beaten Venus in those matches if they were on hardcourt.

Most probably, she would have.
Venus has done nothing (for player of her level, of course) on hardcourts since Austrlian Open 2003. At the same time Masha won USO, IW, San Diego, made it to the finals at AO and Miami and beat Venus 3/3 times they met on hard.

Isha
Jan 4th, 2008, 07:50 PM
Venus 2-0.

AcesHigh
Jan 4th, 2008, 08:46 PM
Most probably, she would have.
Venus has done nothing (for player of her level, of course) on hardcourts since Austrlian Open 2003. At the same time Masha won USO, IW, San Diego, made it to the finals at AO and Miami and beat Venus 3/3 times they met on hard.

Yes, nice stats, but Venus has been playing terrible for the past few years. If you look at how the two players actually played instead of the statistics or what surface, it would not have mattered.
Looking at how Venus has turned around and improved her first serve to near 2000-2003 level and worked on shot selection and forehand, her play has improved greatly since Wimbledon. Going on old statistics seems foolish to me.

Venus defeated Maria in an exho on hardcourt in 2005 btw. I know they dont count but this is one too.

Like someone said before, Venus and Serena defy statistics.

In The Zone
Jan 4th, 2008, 08:49 PM
Maria is not a good matchup for Venus on hardcourts. If Venus can successfully come to net and go for her angles and attack Maria's 2nd serve, Venus should win.

I say Venus in 3.

HitmanX
Jan 4th, 2008, 09:00 PM
Sharapova is the storng favourite to win this match.

betf@ir odds:

Sharapova 1.47
Williams 3

ninanina19
Jan 4th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Sharapova in 3.

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 4th, 2008, 10:12 PM
Yes, nice stats, but Venus has been playing terrible for the past few years. If you look at how the two players actually played instead of the statistics or what surface, it would not have mattered.
Looking at how Venus has turned around and improved her first serve to near 2000-2003 level and worked on shot selection and forehand, her play has improved greatly since Wimbledon. Going on old statistics seems foolish to me.

Venus defeated Maria in an exho on hardcourt in 2005 btw. I know they dont count but this is one too.

Like someone said before, Venus and Serena defy statistics.

I'm not saying Sharapova is gonna win this. It's almost 50/50 in my eyes.
My point was Venus hasn't been impressive on hard courts in near five years (her last significant hard court title came at New Haven 2002) and there is not a single sign she's back to herself a la 2000-2002. She struggled at minor events competing against a bunch of nobodies after USO last year. I don't see what could have changed since then...
I'll only be glad if she proves me wrong. But it looks unlikely, imo.

starin
Jan 4th, 2008, 10:18 PM
I'm not saying Sharapova is gonna win this. It's almost 50/50 in my eyes.
My point was Venus hasn't been impressive on hard courts in near five years (her last significant hard court title came at New Haven 2002) and there is not a single sign she's back to herself a la 2000-2002. She struggles at minor events competing against a bunch of nobodies after USO last year. I don't see what could have changed since that...
I'll only be glad if she proves me wrong. But it looks unlikely, imo.

she got to the SF of the USO. IMO I think that's a huge step. She hadn't been past the QF of slam outside of Wmbledon for years b4 that. Anyways this is ultimately just an exo. I think this is like the 4th or 5th time they've played an exo on hardcourts.

goldenlox
Jan 4th, 2008, 10:18 PM
Sharapova is the storng favourite to win this match.

betf@ir odds:

Sharapova 1.47
Williams 3That's amazing. The gamblers love Sharapova

RenaSlam.
Jan 4th, 2008, 10:38 PM
If Venus plays her game, she will win.

If Maria plays her game and Venus plays her game, Venus will win.

If Venus is off, Maria will win.

Venus in two 7-5, 6-3!

SAEKeithSerena
Jan 4th, 2008, 11:05 PM
Venus def. Maria 2-6, 6-4, 6-2

Russianboy
Jan 4th, 2008, 11:07 PM
when does the match start?

heytennis
Jan 4th, 2008, 11:09 PM
Sharapova is pretty much a hard court specialist. I think she'll win.

s_j
Jan 4th, 2008, 11:12 PM
when does the match start?

6.30am UK time, 7.30am CET

Russianboy
Jan 4th, 2008, 11:12 PM
6.30am UK time, 7.30am CET

OMG so early :eek:

Matt01
Jan 4th, 2008, 11:16 PM
she got to the SF of the USO. IMO I think that's a huge step.


If people are talking like this and think that this is already a "huge step" ... well, obviously her level of play has dropped quite a bit in the last few years :p

AnnaK_4ever
Jan 4th, 2008, 11:27 PM
If people are talking like this and think that this is already a "huge step" ... well, obviously her level of play has dropped quite a bit in the last few years :p

Exactly my thoughts :eek: :lol:
I've had too much respect for Venus' game to believe her beating Ivanovic and Jankovic means returning to her old level.

Venus+Serena#1fan
Jan 5th, 2008, 12:02 AM
Venus should win if she plays well, go Vee!

eugreene2
Jan 5th, 2008, 12:16 AM
Does this match start at 1:30 am New York (East Coast USA) time

Uranium
Jan 5th, 2008, 12:20 AM
Venus- 6/2 6/4

Ben.
Jan 5th, 2008, 12:23 AM
Venus in straight sets :devil:

gmokb
Jan 5th, 2008, 12:50 AM
Does this match start at 1:30 am New York (East Coast USA) time
Yeah, it will.

sharapovarulz1
Jan 5th, 2008, 12:59 AM
Maria obviously!

sharapovarulz1
Jan 5th, 2008, 01:00 AM
What time will this match be on UK (London) time?

Uranium
Jan 5th, 2008, 01:04 AM
6; 30 am?

sharapovarulz1
Jan 5th, 2008, 01:07 AM
6; 30 am?

Oh bloody hell is this, this morning we are talking about? since it's 2am already lol I really can't see myself getting up for it lol!

Is it on tv or livescores?

AcesHigh
Jan 5th, 2008, 02:28 AM
Exactly my thoughts :eek: :lol:
I've had too much respect for Venus' game to believe her beating Ivanovic and Jankovic means returning to her old level.

It doesnt, but you know VEnus's poor record against top 10 opponents from 2004-2007(pre-Wimbledon).

Her style of play at Wimbledon and the way she performed afterward were big steps.

Her losses in the fall were more due to poor schedule planning than anything else. She obviously has a problem with stamina.

I'm not saying Venus is "back". I don't think anyone could say that from only two slams and a few small tournaments. However, for anyone who has followed Venus's career, it seems clearly evident that she may have finally turned the corner. Something she seemed like she would do in the summer of 2005..but never happened.

starin
Jan 5th, 2008, 02:35 AM
It doesnt, but you know VEnus's poor record against top 10 opponents from 2004-2007(pre-Wimbledon).

Her style of play at Wimbledon and the way she performed afterward were big steps.

Her losses in the fall were more due to poor schedule planning than anything else. She obviously has a problem with stamina.

I'm not saying Venus is "back". I don't think anyone could say that from only two slams and a few small tournaments. However, for anyone who has followed Venus's career, it seems clearly evident that she may have finally turned the corner. Something she seemed like she would do in the summer of 2005..but never happened.

exactly but I suspect Matt01 or whatever his name is just trying to belittle that accomplishment. It's a step in the right direction especially seeing as she hasn't been past a QF outside Wimbledon since 2003. That's a huge mental block and I'm glad she's been able to move past it, especially doing it against someone she lost 3 straight times to. Whether or not that is a sign of good things to come I don't know but it's a positive result compared to her last few years outside of Wimbledon. Next step is to win a Tier I off clay and get to a SF or better at AO or FO.

kinglear
Jan 5th, 2008, 02:37 AM
Venus and Maria usually have competitive matches and hope they compete well against each other in the SF. I think Venus will end up winning though.

LucasArg
Jan 5th, 2008, 04:04 AM
I hope Venus! :hug: :wavey:

Ackms421
Jan 5th, 2008, 04:30 AM
is there a live stream link?

SharapovaFan16
Jan 5th, 2008, 04:45 AM
I just hope both show up and give a good match. Women's tennis needs these 2 in top form along with Serena, Henin, & sprinkle in the rest. That would make for a good year.

Agreed?