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CJ07
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:00 PM
After watching a bit of that Graf/Navratilova piece, it made me realize how their two shots (Graf's Forehand and Navratilova's backhand) are among the all time greats. Who else is up there, and who is tops - at their peak mind you? And don't mention anyone in today's game who doesn't have multiple grand slam titles, because they all are wannabes.

Chris Evert's Backhand
Martina Navratilova's Volley
Steffi Graf's Forehand
Serena William's Serve

I'd give my vote to Chris Evert's backhand, simply because she started the shot that 95% of today's players currently use. You don't win 199 out of 200 matches on clay out of luck.

Graf's forehand is a close second, followed by Navratilova's Volley. Peak Serena's serve was very good, but not quite in their league.

mckyle.
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:01 PM
Serena? PeakSerena? SerenaForehand?

LUIS9
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:04 PM
After watching a bit of that Graf/Navratilova piece, it made me realize how their two shots (Graf's Forehand and Navratilova's backhand) are among the all time greats. Who else is up there, and who is tops - at their peak mind you? And don't mention anyone in today's game who doesn't have multiple grand slam titles, because they all are wannabes.

Chris Evert's Backhand
Martina Navratilova's Volley
Steffi Graf's Forehand
Serena William's Serve

I'd give my vote to Chris Evert's backhand, simply because she started the shot that 95% of today's players currently use. You don't win 199 out of 200 matches on clay out of luck.

Graf's forehand is a close second, followed by Navratilova's Volley. Peak Serena's serve was very good, but not quite in their league.

Absolutely!!!!!!! I would give a special mention to the following Hingis' drop shot and her topspin lob. Such amazing shots in the past decade. So subtle yet so deadly and most of the time unexpected, unless you know how magical her hands are and were.

Donny
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:07 PM
In terms of winning points? Serena's serve. She is nearly guaranteed a couple of aces or service winners a game when she's serving well.

Conor
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:09 PM
Serena's serve, Justine's backhand.

Demska
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:12 PM
Isha's swing finding out MCDonalds Clown wasn't real.

DaMamaJama87
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:14 PM
I don't know about general shots, but there was a volley Kim hit in the 2003 Year ending championsips against Amelie Mauresmo that was the best shot I've ever seen a woman hit EVER! :worship:

égalité
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:20 PM
Chris's backhand :bowdown:

But the best single shot I've seen hit was when Hingis took a high shot from Serena in the 2001 AO QF out of the air almost at the baseline and smacked it right into the corner. :drool:

MistyGrey
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:22 PM
Graf forehand. Enough said!

Wayn77
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:22 PM
Justine's "ripper" backhand

The Hingis Lob
The Schnyder drop shot

LUIS9
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Justine's "ripper" backhand

The Hingis Lob
The Schnyder drop shot

Yes I totally forgot the Patty Schnyder drop shot, such an exquisite shot.

Sanchez Vicario had a lethal drop shot as well, Hingis's and hers are for sure the best drop shots in the modern game.

justine schnyder
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:29 PM
Justine's "ripper" backhand

The Hingis Lob
The Schnyder drop shot

I love your answer.
And Stefi's forehand

CJ07
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:31 PM
Some of these posters clearly haven't seen any of Evert/Graf/Nav at their peaks

They'd beat all of these jokers in straight sets. Seles would too for that matter.

Anyway, Serena's serve didn't completely eclipse every other person in that department. Although she definitely showed hers was superior to her sisters, Venus's serve at her peak just lacks the placement and consistency that Serena's does, however she still rarely loses points on it - the difference was her second serve.

Graf beat 3 generations worth of players with basically that one shot - her forehand. However, it has yet to have the impact on other players to adopt it.

Navratilova's serve was good, but it was her volley that stood out. Point blank - best of all time.

Evert's backhand never missed, and inspired 95% of posterity to adopt a similar version.

Justine's backhand is good, but not all-time special. Please watch some older matches.

RenaSlam.
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:33 PM
Absolutely!!!!!!! I would give a special mention to the following Hingis' drop shot and her topspin lob. Such amazing shots in the past decade. So subtle yet so deadly and most of the time unexpected, unless you know how magical her hands are and were.

Coke heads are not applicable to this poll.

:wavey:

AcesHigh
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:39 PM
Some of these posters clearly haven't seen any of Evert/Graf/Nav at their peaks

They'd beat all of these jokers in straight sets. Seles would too for that matter.

Anyway, Serena's serve didn't completely eclipse every other person in that department. Although she definitely showed hers was superior to her sisters, Venus's serve at her peak just lacks the placement and consistency that Serena's does, however she still rarely loses points on it - the difference was her second serve.

Graf beat 3 generations worth of players with basically that one shot - her forehand. However, it has yet to have the impact on other players to adopt it.

Navratilova's serve was good, but it was her volley that stood out. Point blank - best of all time.

Evert's backhand never missed, and inspired 95% of posterity to adopt a similar version.

Justine's backhand is good, but not all-time special. Please watch some older matches.

I agree. I wouldn't put the shots of anyone today with these all-time greats.

Anyway, I picked Graf's forehand since I've never seen more than a few matches of Evert. I think the Seles backhand deserves a mention too..

Kworb
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:41 PM
Justine's forehand
Justine's backhand

Louis Cyphre
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:46 PM
No Justine's backhand :eek:
This is ridiculous poll :help:

AcesHigh
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:49 PM
No Justine's backhand :eek:
This is ridiculous poll :help:

Justine's backhand is arguably not even the best of this era and definitely not better than that of Evert, Seles, etc.

People have short memories.
If I remember correctly, at AO 2006, Mauresmo found a way to pick apart Henin's backhand and hit deep loopy shots to that side.

debopero
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:57 PM
Serena serve

CJ07
Nov 18th, 2007, 06:58 PM
No Justine's backhand :eek:
This is ridiculous poll :help:
You can't possibly be serious. Wait until Justine wins double digits to even try to compare her to Evert/Navratilova/Graf.

The only reason Serena is up here, is because she was the first player to truly have a great serve. Her sister (while close) really doesn't count because of placement/spin issues.

Justine's backhand isn't as good as Evert/Seles. Maybe number 3, but thats about it. There is a difference between being all time shot and just being pretty.

DaMamaJama87
Nov 18th, 2007, 07:02 PM
No Justine's backhand :eek:
This is ridiculous poll :help:

lol why should Justine's backhand be included when it's not even the best part of her own game? :lol: She herself admits that her forehand is better.

AcesHigh
Nov 18th, 2007, 07:04 PM
lol why should Justine's backhand be included when it's not even the best part of her own game? :lol: She herself admits that her forehand is better.

Exactly. Justine's forehand is VERY VERY underrated. The backhand is prettier and she can rip it for some awesome winners. HOwever, it's more error-prone and inconsistent than the forehand.

Dave.
Nov 18th, 2007, 07:09 PM
Navratilova has the best volley and one of the best serves along with Lindsay and Serena.

Steffi's forehand is the best of all time.

Chris' backhand is probably the best double-handed, you could also make arguments for Lindsay's or the Williams sisters'.

rottweily
Nov 18th, 2007, 07:09 PM
Justine's backhand is arguably not even the best of this era and definitely not better than that of Evert, Seles, etc.

People have short memories.
If I remember correctly, at AO 2006, Mauresmo found a way to pick apart Henin's backhand and hit deep loopy shots to that side.

People have short memories... you forgot that she had absolutely no strength in that match...

This is what a normal Justine does with that silly theory:
http://www.mediafire.com/?0y05zv7s2wf

And some more exquisite backhands:
http://www.mediafire.com/?3qshbbd1nzu
http://www.mediafire.com/?asx2wkdljvh
http://www.mediafire.com/?5oj4rbwoykw
http://www.mediafire.com/?0ddb5dbz14w
http://www.mediafire.com/?4tvzwbcjjyj
http://www.mediafire.com/?4mhbbyfmpyi
http://www.mediafire.com/?frhy2uqjnzb
http://www.mediafire.com/?c1stftjzefd
http://www.mediafire.com/?cdmefew3ha0

cecilija
Nov 18th, 2007, 07:13 PM
Exactly. Justine's forehand is VERY VERY underrated. The backhand is prettier and she can rip it for some awesome winners. HOwever, it's more error-prone and inconsistent than the forehand.

Goes to show how much you know about Justine :tape: It is the other way around.

serenus_2k8
Nov 18th, 2007, 07:14 PM
I think the poll should compare active players or legends. Serenas server and Henins backhand are both amazing!

Juju4ever
Nov 18th, 2007, 07:28 PM
Justine's forehand, by far. People talk about her backhand because it's a stunning shot, but her forehand is actually the reason she's the #1 player in the world. It has so much variety on it, just amazing. Btw, If we are already discussing this, I think Hingis had the most amazing lobs, and Jelena Jankovic's best shot is actually her ability to lob the ball on the stretch, when she can just put her racket on the ball, completely out of court, and produce this amazing lobs.

Michael!
Nov 18th, 2007, 07:54 PM
Steffi´s forehand is the best shot in tennis history. ;)
There´s no doubt about that, but the first serve of Venus is also great... :hearts:

rottweily
Nov 18th, 2007, 08:09 PM
Justine's forehand, by far. People talk about her backhand because it's a stunning shot, but her forehand is actually the reason she's the #1 player in the world. It has so much variety on it, just amazing. Btw, If we are already discussing this, I think Hingis had the most amazing lobs, and Jelena Jankovic's best shot is actually her ability to lob the ball on the stretch, when she can just put her racket on the ball, completely out of court, and produce this amazing lobs.

Just pulled this one from the US Open final ;):
-Pinpoint precision forehand down the line: http://www.mediafire.com/?fezwxxyyzyd

Juju4ever
Nov 18th, 2007, 08:22 PM
Just pulled this one from the US Open final ;):
-Pinpoint precision forehand down the line: http://www.mediafire.com/?fezwxxyyzyd

For some reason I couldn't open the file, but I have the match on tape, so please tell me what was the score and I'll check it right now. :)

RJWCapriati
Nov 18th, 2007, 08:30 PM
Graf forehand

AcesHigh
Nov 18th, 2007, 08:33 PM
People have short memories... you forgot that she had absolutely no strength in that match...

This is what a normal Justine does with that silly theory:
http://www.mediafire.com/?0y05zv7s2wf

And some more exquisite backhands:
http://www.mediafire.com/?3qshbbd1nzu
http://www.mediafire.com/?asx2wkdljvh
http://www.mediafire.com/?5oj4rbwoykw
http://www.mediafire.com/?0ddb5dbz14w
http://www.mediafire.com/?4tvzwbcjjyj
http://www.mediafire.com/?4mhbbyfmpyi
http://www.mediafire.com/?frhy2uqjnzb
http://www.mediafire.com/?c1stftjzefd
http://www.mediafire.com/?cdmefew3ha0


That was not really the kind of loopy deep shot I was talking about(it wasn't a great shot from her opponent that kind of just sat there and Henin took it near shoulder height) although that took A LOT of strength and VERY GOOD timing I must admit. I don't think the theory is ridiculous...I'd still use loopy topspin heavy shots to the backhand if I were an opponent(definitely a lot more topspin than that shot), but that's not the point.

The "people have short memories" comment was directed to those people who are forgetting the Seles backhand...the Evert backhand.. or even the SErena backhand when she was on top. It's pretty much whatever has happened lately is THE BEST.

And to the poster who said I have it reversed... it would be interesting to see the statistics on winner/UE ratio on Henin's forehand vs. backhand. In the matches I've wathed, the forehand is the superior and more dependable shot since she retooled it. I've seen the backhand hit the net or fly long more often than I've seen the forehand err but I might be wrong.

Again, the Henin backhand is AMAZING. However, I think the forehand is more effective throughout an entire match.

Olórin
Nov 18th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Some people really need to broaden their horizons and dip their feet in the waters of tennis history. :rolleyes:

Steffi's forehand and Martina's volleys are the two standout all time great shots in my opinion.

Chrissie's backhand as a shot in itself (undoubtedly it revoltionised women's tennis) is an all time great shot but not quite up there with those two. She did miss *sometimes* :p Just very, very rarely. Really it's difficult to say who has had a better two handed backhand.

Serena's serve is an all time great shot, but the second serve has gone through periods (inc. currently) where it's a weaker aspect of her service games. So again, I think Serena's serve is definitely fourth.

I don't think number of grand slams has anything to do with what the best shot is though. I would put Justine's backhand in the top 5 one handed backhands of all time definitely. And also Margaret Court has the most grand slams out of anyone, but I don't think she really had a standout shot...unless all of them were. From what I've seen of her she did everything very well, she had a strong serve, brilliant volleyer and for me her backhand is the most delightful to watch.

Are BJK's volley's second to Martina's do we think?

laurie
Nov 18th, 2007, 08:53 PM
I voted for Steffi Graf's forehand. I think these shots are worth a mention:

Justine Henin's backhand is already a legend shot and will be seen as such even before she retires.

Monica Seles' return of serve

Martin Hingis' backhand down the line

Brenda Schultz McCarthy's serve (consistently served faster and with more spin than many men)

Venus Williams' athleticism, not a shot but she had phenomenal movement and counterpunching skills - the 2005 Wimbledon final being a perfect example

Amelie Mauresmo's backhand

And an honourable mention must go to Kim Clisjers for the splits! Unrivalled over the last 10 years.

G-Ha
Nov 18th, 2007, 09:04 PM
steffi graf's forehand is the single greatest shot in the history of women's tennis and will be remembered as such. when steffi first started to rise in the ranks around 1985, crowds would actually gasp when they first caught glimpse of her lethal forehand such was its power and ferocity, the likes of which had never before been seen. opponents would play an entire match trying to avoid steffi's forehand at all costs.

the other shot from this poll that comes closest to the graf forehand is evert's backhand. however, while it was a great weapon and has certainly been influential as it's inspired many generations that have followed, it didn't strike fear in opponents the way steffi's forehand did.

rottweily
Nov 18th, 2007, 09:07 PM
For some reason I couldn't open the file, but I have the match on tape, so please tell me what was the score and I'll check it right now. :)

Just use VLC Media Player. 1-0 40-15.

Princeza
Nov 18th, 2007, 09:14 PM
Serena's forehand,backhand,volley,lob,serve,physique,slice, mental,mc donalds recipes,fans,fashion sense, sexy moves, grunts, cmooOoOooNS are the best :worship:

Honorable mention for Isha too.

rottweily
Nov 18th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Justine's 2007 forehand:
-Forehand combo powerful and angled: http://www.mediafire.com/?4nycnl5zx0c

debopero
Nov 18th, 2007, 11:00 PM
one shot in one match doesn't really mean anything.

rottweily
Nov 18th, 2007, 11:16 PM
one shot in one match doesn't really mean anything.

I can show you many more ;)

MisterMan
Nov 19th, 2007, 12:33 AM
Dementieva's down the line forehand ?

but i voted for Graf's. Clearly that's the most lethal of the four listed. I think people here are too young to appreciate what a weapon that was. THE best in the game ever. It was just brutal to watch that forehand as she assaulted her opponents with that unsmiling glare she had. Scary chick.

DaMamaJama87
Nov 19th, 2007, 12:46 AM
People have short memories... you forgot that she had absolutely no strength in that match...

This is what a normal Justine does with that silly theory:
http://www.mediafire.com/?0y05zv7s2wf

And some more exquisite backhands:
http://www.mediafire.com/?3qshbbd1nzu
http://www.mediafire.com/?asx2wkdljvh
http://www.mediafire.com/?5oj4rbwoykw
http://www.mediafire.com/?0ddb5dbz14w
http://www.mediafire.com/?4tvzwbcjjyj
http://www.mediafire.com/?4mhbbyfmpyi
http://www.mediafire.com/?frhy2uqjnzb
http://www.mediafire.com/?c1stftjzefd
http://www.mediafire.com/?cdmefew3ha0

1) Please upload these to youtube or somesuch if you're such a big fan of Justine. I'm not going through the trouble of downloading each one and playing it :wavey:
2) What do these prove anyway? That her backhand can be good? Sure it can, but the players who've beaten Justine most regularly (Venus and Mauresmo) have done it by attacking the backhand, not the forehand. Go watch the Australian Open semifinal from 2003. When Justine is rushed on the backhand (because of fast, flat balls) or is pushed deep on the backhand side, she throws back a weak reply which usually lets the opponent take control of the point or she goes for it and makes an error 2 out of 3 times. Watch the 2007 US Open semi too, when Venus was attacking the backhand, Justine was always kept on the defensive and lost many points, but when she had the time to run around and hit a forehand, she could finally end the point or at least get back into it. Same with Amelie's heavy topspin and wicked underspin slices. When going backhand to backhand, those shots totally throw Justine out of her rhythm and she either goes for too much or she hits short allowing Amelie to come in and finish the point at net.

Farina Elia Fan
Nov 19th, 2007, 12:53 AM
Graf forehand!

Sund7101
Nov 19th, 2007, 01:30 AM
Evert Backhand. Best backhand weapon of all-time. Could hit crosscourt, down-the-line, lob, dropshot, or passing shot just as easily as the other and quite frankly she just didn't miss.

Other greatest shots ever:
Navratilova volleys
Seles return
Hingis topspin lob/dropshot
Graf forehand

shell
Nov 19th, 2007, 02:04 AM
Navratilova's serve deserves some mention too. Combined lefty spin and wonderful placement made it formidable for her time. It is what set up those volley winners - and yes, her volley is all time great.

Graf's forhand - beyond wonderful

Today's players - to soon to tell. Serena's serve, Justine's backhand and return - they will all be talked about I would imagine.

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 19th, 2007, 07:01 AM
Lindsay's forehand
Lindsay's backhand

Purest Striker of the Ball!!!

rottweily
Nov 19th, 2007, 10:05 AM
1) Please upload these to youtube or somesuch if you're such a big fan of Justine. I'm not going through the trouble of downloading each one and playing it :wavey:

Youtube doesn't do service to tennis, the quality is abysmal.


2) What do these prove anyway? That her backhand can be good? Sure it can, but the players who've beaten Justine most regularly (Venus and Mauresmo) have done it by attacking the backhand, not the forehand. Go watch the Australian Open semifinal from 2003. When Justine is rushed on the backhand (because of fast, flat balls) or is pushed deep on the backhand side, she throws back a weak reply which usually lets the opponent take control of the point or she goes for it and makes an error 2 out of 3 times. Watch the 2007 US Open semi too, when Venus was attacking the backhand, Justine was always kept on the defensive and lost many points, but when she had the time to run around and hit a forehand, she could finally end the point or at least get back into it. Same with Amelie's heavy topspin and wicked underspin slices. When going backhand to backhand, those shots totally throw Justine out of her rhythm and she either goes for too much or she hits short allowing Amelie to come in and finish the point at net.

Anyone is pushed when one is attacked with very aggressive shots, duh. What I've seen from Justine is the best defense of anyone this year. And that is what counts when you are on the defensive.

cherboy
Nov 19th, 2007, 11:03 AM
what about pierce' shot between the legs!? :bounce:

guscq
Nov 20th, 2007, 09:27 PM
Its simple. Fear Factor. The Graf Forehand.:devil: Devastating!:devil:

Uranium
Nov 20th, 2007, 10:07 PM
Funny to see big shot and history in same sentence, but no venus serve on list WHEN SHE HAS RECORD.

guscq
Nov 20th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Funny to see big shot and history in same sentence, but no venus serve on list WHEN SHE HAS RECORD.


I think consistency is Venus downfall with that shot. Thats why Serena's serve is considered better. I have seen serena, venus and lindsay hit bigger forehands than Graf but no way do I think theirs were superior.

Renalicious
Nov 20th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Serena & Graf.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Nov 21st, 2007, 04:01 AM
Steffi's forehand was soo freakin hard it was scary. Although Mary's groundstrokes were powerful as well but not consistent enough

LUIS9
Nov 23rd, 2007, 03:34 AM
Some people really need to broaden their horizons and dip their feet in the waters of tennis history. :rolleyes:

Steffi's forehand and Martina's volleys are the two standout all time great shots in my opinion.

Chrissie's backhand as a shot in itself (undoubtedly it revoltionised women's tennis) is an all time great shot but not quite up there with those two. She did miss *sometimes* :p Just very, very rarely. Really it's difficult to say who has had a better two handed backhand.

Serena's serve is an all time great shot, but the second serve has gone through periods (inc. currently) where it's a weaker aspect of her service games. So again, I think Serena's serve is definitely fourth.

I don't think number of grand slams has anything to do with what the best shot is though. I would put Justine's backhand in the top 5 one handed backhands of all time definitely. And also Margaret Court has the most grand slams out of anyone, but I don't think she really had a standout shot...unless all of them were. From what I've seen of her she did everything very well, she had a strong serve, brilliant volleyer and for me her backhand is the most delightful to watch.

Are BJK's volley's second to Martina's do we think?

No doubt about it. Billie had magnificent volleys and great hands, she was the kind of player that played with nuance like Hingis. Her form on the volleys was just textbook, her forehand volley form was almost always impeccable at least from the little I have seen of her.

CJ07
Nov 23rd, 2007, 04:50 AM
I think consistency is Venus downfall with that shot. Thats why Serena's serve is considered better. I have seen serena, venus and lindsay hit bigger forehands than Graf but no way do I think theirs were superior.
Venus can serve like a #1 or a #100. That doesn't make it an all-time shot.

Venus's serve has poor placement too often, is predictable, and lacks diversity and spin.

Ghis
Nov 23rd, 2007, 06:00 AM
Monica Seles' return of serve.

wonderworld9
Nov 23rd, 2007, 06:15 AM
The best women tennis player so far I have seen is Stephi Graph. All her games and shorts are the best.