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kaktusino
Nov 16th, 2007, 10:22 PM
:worship: Your opinion please.

RR-87
Nov 16th, 2007, 10:24 PM
Petrova and Dementieva :angel:

patch.
Nov 16th, 2007, 10:25 PM
Sharapova Dementieva and Kirilenko

Svetlana.
Nov 16th, 2007, 10:33 PM
I wish all of them will do better next year!!! :worship:

goldenlox
Nov 16th, 2007, 10:33 PM
I think Sveta will maintain her grip on Russian #1. But Anna will stay close.
For Maria, it depends on injuries. The YEC just ended, and she's still running around the world chasing after every dollar. That catches up to her with injuries.
Watch out for a healthy Zvonareva.

mashamaniac
Nov 16th, 2007, 11:21 PM
i'm sure maria will do better than this year...maybe first goal is to win AO and then gaining #1 spot back from juju! she has a good shot at becoming next #1 for sure,and i see chaki doing better than kuzy again next year!

cypher_88
Nov 16th, 2007, 11:25 PM
i dare not say Nastya :sad:, altough i hope for her to make a thunderous return. probably Sharapova and Kuznetsova.

shrOOf
Nov 16th, 2007, 11:30 PM
Zvonareva!

Rex59
Nov 16th, 2007, 11:38 PM
Chaka.

Medina
Nov 16th, 2007, 11:57 PM
Olga :crazy:

DimaDinosaur
Nov 17th, 2007, 12:00 AM
No doubt, Davydenko!!

Lucyxx
Nov 17th, 2007, 12:28 AM
Masha improves her USO result and regains Russian #1.

RJWCapriati
Nov 17th, 2007, 12:43 AM
Chakvetadze/Safina

miffedmax
Nov 17th, 2007, 04:53 AM
Lena D.

(Like I was going to vote for somebody else. Lena could be in a full body cast with Mommy Vera feeding her soup and I'd still vote for her in a poll like this).

AcesHigh
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:03 AM
Sharapova easily...although I'm rooting my ass off for Sveta. WAKE UP!! :)

Rod the Bama
Nov 17th, 2007, 06:26 AM
Masha by far.

heytennis
Nov 17th, 2007, 08:15 AM
Maria without question.

justine schnyder
Nov 17th, 2007, 08:27 AM
Nastya forever!!! :rocker2:
If she won't come back, so I hope Vera Z will be, but I think it will be Sharapova :o

lympyisthebest
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:05 AM
I hope it's Elena D. :)

Pie800
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:38 AM
Dementieva! She was really impressive toward the end of last season. Plus the new surface at the Aussie Open suits her game so I think she has chances. :yeah: :)

Dexter
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:47 AM
I expected goldenlox to come up with Duszewina or sthg. :lol:

03 RuleTheCourt
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:09 AM
I'm hoping on Anna to make it even higer in rank than this year. .. And i'm not that ignorant to say that
Masha will stand her ground & atm has a better possibility than Achak to hit the top again.
But with those last injuries .. she just isn't a safe enough bet i guess. :(

No Name Face
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:36 AM
Lena D.

(Like I was going to vote for somebody else. Lena could be in a full body cast with Mommy Vera feeding her soup and I'd still vote for her in a poll like this).

haha ditto

Mina Vagante
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:49 AM
Mariiiiiiiiiiiiiiia Sharapovaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

serenus_2k8
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:52 AM
Will be Maria...easily. But I hope it will be Sveta :D

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 12:07 PM
The one who was the best Russian in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 - Sharapova.

Carsten
Nov 17th, 2007, 12:10 PM
if everything is going the way it should, Sharapova ;)

PaulHopkins
Nov 17th, 2007, 12:18 PM
Masha :)

Filippo-Nastya
Nov 17th, 2007, 12:18 PM
The one who was the best Russian in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 - Sharapova.

She wasn't the best Russian in 2004.

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 12:26 PM
She wasn't the best Russian in 2004.

She wasn't the highest-ranked Russian (just like in 2007 too).
But achievement-wise Sharapova was the best Russian.

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 12:34 PM
I expected goldenlox to come up with Duszewina or sthg. :lol:I voted for Dushevina. It's too bad this isn't a public poll.
Sveta will hold on to Russian #1. Sharapova was a temporary #1.

miffedmax
Nov 17th, 2007, 01:03 PM
I'll say this in favor of Lena vs. TOB--at least our girl won the tournament that has us all excited.

Dan23
Nov 17th, 2007, 01:10 PM
I voted for Dushevina. It's too bad this isn't a public poll.
Sveta will hold on to Russian #1. Sharapova was a temporary #1.If 2 and a half years is temporary then I'd like to see what permanent is :p
The rankings make have changed but the mantle of #1 Russian never did...things going well, the rankings will sort themselves out in 2008

daniela86
Nov 17th, 2007, 01:11 PM
1.Masha 2. Sveta 3.Lena D 4.Anna 5. Zvonareva

Highlandman
Nov 17th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Probably Sharapova if all goes right.

My personal wish would be Vera D. :p :lol:

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 01:17 PM
Myskina was #1 in 2002, 2003 and 2004. Sharapova was #1 for 2005 and 2006.
Kuznetsova is #1 for 2007.

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 01:38 PM
Myskina was #1 in 2002, 2003 and 2004. Sharapova was #1 for 2005 and 2006.
Kuznetsova is #1 for 2007.

Myskina achieved the most among the Russians in 2002-2003.
Sharapova achieved the most in 2004-2007.

2002
Myskina - Tier II title

2003
Myskina - Tier I title, Tier II title, two minor titles + AO and USO QFs

2004
Sharapova - Wimbledon, YEC, three minor titles + RG QF

2005
Sharapova - Tier I title, Tier II title, one minor title + AO, WB, USO SFs, RG QF

2006
Sharapova - US Open, three Tier I titles, Tier II title + AO, WB SFs

2007
Sharapova - Tier I title + AO F, RG SF + YEC F

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Myskina was POY for 2004, and finished #3.
Kuznetsova finished 2007 at #2.
And the both played several Fed Cup matches those years.
Sveta won the Fed Cup title, then had to withdraw from Beijing, where she was defending champion.

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 02:11 PM
Myskina was POY for 2004, and finished #3.
Kuznetsova finished 2007 at #2.
And the both played several Fed Cup matches those years.
Sveta won the Fed Cup title, then had to withdraw from Beijing, where she was defending champion.

Sharapova was named player of the year by WTA. Myskina was ITF's choice purely because of Fed Cup. IMO, Fed Cup has nothing to do with player's personal achievements and rankings not always reflect who's had more successful season.
For example, you cannot say Kuznetsova achieved more than Serena this year even though she's the higher ranked player.

jamatthews
Nov 17th, 2007, 02:40 PM
I'll say this in favor of Lena vs. TOB--at least our girl won the tournament that has us all excited.

Istanbul :hearts:

That elusive clay court title is just never going to come for Maria. :bigcry: :p

As for the poll, if Maria is healthy(ish) it will be her, otherwise I'm going for Elena D to lead the way with her unique brand of OMG Tournament Runs and WTF losses.

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 02:47 PM
Serena won a major. Sveta did more than Maria. 6 finals, including the USO.
Myskina did more than Sharapova in 2004. Myskina and Kuznetsova were Fed Cup MVP's.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Nov 17th, 2007, 02:59 PM
It just has to be Sharapova. I really don't see Sveta being number end next year. She certainly will drop some places (or she must be really lucky with the draws again).
Not sure about Anna. She will improve but I don't know how much.
Lena will certainly be top 10 again.

LudwigDvorak
Nov 17th, 2007, 03:29 PM
I think Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Chakvetadze, Dementieva, and Petrova will all have fairly regular spots in the top 10 in 2008, particularly the first two I named, in that order.

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:20 PM
Sveta did more than Maria. 6 finals, including the USO.
At the highest level just making finals at non-slam events means nothing (needless to add that Sveta managed to lose her Tier I finals to such "all-time greats" as Hantuchova, Ivanovic and Jankovic). They are tied in GS finals reached but Kuznetsova didn't win a single valid title this year while Sharapova won Tier I.

Myskina did more than Sharapova in 2004. Myskina and Kuznetsova were Fed Cup MVP's.
Like I said, Fed Cup is irrelevant to player's personal achievements and Wimbledon + YEC + 3 minor titles > Roland Garros + Tier I + Tier II.
Sharapova won 2 out of 6 biggest events in 2004, Myskina won 1. That's why Maria was named POY by WTA. If anything, Henin who won Australian Open and Olympics was Sharapova's rival for the POY award.

Jovana.
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:25 PM
Sharapova :p

itzhak
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:28 PM
Elena will shock the world of Tennis with RG and Wimbeldon titles back to back...

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:29 PM
At the highest level just making finals at non-slam events means nothing .Losing before the finals, like Sharapova does, must mean less than nothing.
IW, Miami, Wimbledon, USO, Moscow. All early round loses.

Jenny.C.Fan
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:29 PM
Sveta :D

LudwigDvorak
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:41 PM
I just fucking love watching AnnaK and goldenlox fight all the time. :hearts:

Smart Ruskie v. ... goldenlox. Forza. :rocker2:

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:48 PM
People try to rewrite history. I try to stick with facts.
Sveta finished the year at #2, Maria at #5. Both won 1 title, both a final as best result at a major.
Very simple.

Dexter
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Smart Ruskie v. ... goldenlox. Forza. :rocker2:Gotta love this left space. :lol:

The Daviator
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:55 PM
Kuznetsova > Sharapova this season, no doubt. Pova's first and last events of the year were good, but Sveta did perform the best over the whole year.

Anna_K, you're being too hard on your beloved Nastya ;) I give her the edge in '04 too :D

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 05:58 PM
Kuznetsova > Sharapova this season, no doubt. Pova's first and last events of the year were good, but Sveta did perform the best over the whole year.

Anna_K, you're being too hard on your beloved Nastya ;) I give her the edge in '04 too :DYou're right.
I remember 2004 IW. Nastya beat Maria 61 62 or something like that. Then she had to answer 5 questions about Yuri yelling during the match.

The Daviator
Nov 17th, 2007, 06:02 PM
You're right.
I remember 2004 IW. Nastya beat Maria 61 62 or something like that. Then she had to answer 5 questions about Yuri yelling during the match.

Nastya owned Maria in 2004 - H2H 3-1 :D

Il Primo!
Nov 17th, 2007, 06:08 PM
Myskina was #1 in 2002, 2003 and 2004. Sharapova was #1 for 2005 and 2006.
Kuznetsova is #1 for 2007.

Being the highest ranked and being the best is different! Although I agree with the so missed Nastya in 2002-2004, Sveta is too lame to be considered as the best this year, it's clearly Sharapova. Don't get me wrong, Kuzie is a nice girl (maybe way too nice to have this killer instinct) but she's limited and not so great, finally.

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Nov 17th, 2007, 06:11 PM
Don't get me wrong, Kuzie is a nice girl (maybe way too nice to have this killer instinct) but she's limited and not so great, finally.

Are you saying Sveta is limited if you compare her with Sharapova ? :confused:

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 06:15 PM
2004
SHARAPOVA v MYSKINA - 2-1 in major titles
...3R.........QF........AUS
...QF.........W ........RG
...W..........3R........WIM
...DNP........SF........OLY
...3R.........2R........USO
...W..........SF........YEC
edge to Sharapova

2007
SHARAPOVA v KUZNETSOVA - 0-0 in major titles
...RU.........4R........AUS
...SF.........QF........RG
...4R.........QF........WIM
...3R.........RU........USO
...RU.........RR........YEC
Sharapova's only title - Tier I
Kuznetsova's only title - Tier II won via 3 retirements
edge to Sharapova

Il Primo!
Nov 17th, 2007, 06:19 PM
Are you saying Sveta is limited if you compare her with Sharapova ? :confused:

That was not what I was saying at first, I meant compared to the great ones.. Ah, you're right, now I think she's limited compared to Sharapova but that wasn't my initial point.

saint2
Nov 17th, 2007, 06:20 PM
Sharapova- is , was, and will e the best russian player as long as she will play...

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Sveta is the Russian #1 for 2007. That isn't debatable.
Maria has bursitis. Whether she can play a lot of tournaments at a high level is still to be determined.
Myskina being Russian #1 for 2004 is also not debatable.

Hashim.
Nov 17th, 2007, 06:48 PM
Maria:D

Megkiss!
Nov 17th, 2007, 07:04 PM
I always say Anastasia is the most talented Russian and I still think that.

Myskina :hatoff:

schris
Nov 17th, 2007, 07:13 PM
Maria Sharapova

Wayn77
Nov 17th, 2007, 07:24 PM
"Ace-Queen" Dementieva and "Kick-Ass" Petrova

Good luck to all the Russian Girls in 2008 :)

saint2
Nov 17th, 2007, 08:02 PM
I always say Anastasia is the most talented Russian and I still think that.

Myskina :hatoff:

I heard that Anastasia said she doesnt want to return in 2008, so i dont think this is good choice ;)

Shimizu Amon
Nov 17th, 2007, 08:03 PM
It is my believe that if Masha stays healthy throughout next year she will again be the best Russian tennis player out there.

petkoan
Nov 17th, 2007, 08:12 PM
Sveta will be the forever number 2 ;)

Sharapower8
Nov 17th, 2007, 08:13 PM
I'd say Masha but I bet on Anna C. too ;)

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 08:44 PM
Sveta is the Russian #1 for 2007. That isn't debatable.
Maria has bursitis. Whether she can play a lot of tournaments at a high level is still to be determined.
Myskina being Russian #1 for 2004 is also not debatable.

It's wtaworld.com. Everything is debatable here.

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:09 PM
cmon Annak 4ever and goldenlux stop this fighting , Myskina and Kuznetsova and Sharapova're all slam winners and top players but frankly Sharapova's 20 and she was ranked no 1 and won 2 slams and YEC and reached a lot of semifinals and finals and won 16 titels and has the most win loss % on grass and on the top 5 on ranking since she was 17 , but also Myskina and Kuznetsova played the fed cup which sure very important ,lets hope Sharapova and Kuznetsova do well in fed cup next year ,,,

Hashim.
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:12 PM
cmon Annak 4ever and goldenlux stop this fighting , Myskina and Kuznetsova and Sharapova're all slam winners and top players but frankly Sharapova's 20 and she was ranked no 1 and won 2 slams and YEC and reached a lot of semifinals and finals and won 16 titels and has the most win loss % on grass and on the top 5 on ranking since she was 17 , but also Myskina and Kuznetsova played the fed cup which sure very important ,lets hope Sharapova and Kuznetsova do well in fed cup next year ,,,

i think she dropped to number 6:p

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:18 PM
but in 2007 , Kuznetsova was better than Sharapova , but in fact both suck in 2007 , 1 title ,,,

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:19 PM
and also Kuznetsova played fed cup , Sharapova didn't play which's so bad but also she was injuried , lets see what'll happen in 2008 ,,,

mashamaniac
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:23 PM
2004
SHARAPOVA v MYSKINA - 2-1 in major titles
...3R.........QF........AUS
...QF.........W ........RG
...W..........3R........WIM
...DNP........SF........OLY
...3R.........2R........USO
...W..........SF........YEC
edge to Sharapova

2007
SHARAPOVA v KUZNETSOVA - 0-0 in major titles
...RU.........4R........AUS
...SF.........QF........RG
...4R.........QF........WIM
...3R.........RU........USO
...RU.........RR........YEC
Sharapova's only title - Tier I
Kuznetsova's only title - Tier II won via 3 retirements
edge to Sharapova

thanks,that's so damn true! in overall,i don't think we can ever compare masha with kuzy,she's way better and talented than kuzy is...so all the things we say is useless,maria is absolutely the best russian ever!

smokovec
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:27 PM
Probably Sharapova, but I'm very confident on a great season for Dementieva; Kuzy for me drops a lot of position next Year, Chaky is still in progress, I hope she can win more important matches in 2008 and so mantain or increase the ranking.

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:30 PM
2004
SHARAPOVA v MYSKINA - 2-1 in major titles
...3R.........QF........AUS
...QF.........W ........RG
...W..........3R........WIM
...DNP........SF........OLY
...3R.........2R........USO
...W..........SF........YEC
edge to Sharapova

2007
SHARAPOVA v KUZNETSOVA - 0-0 in major titles
...RU.........4R........AUS
...SF.........QF........RG
...4R.........QF........WIM
...3R.........RU........USO
...RU.........RR........YEC
Sharapova's only title - Tier I
Kuznetsova's only title - Tier II won via 3 retirements
edge to Sharapova

wow thanks AnnaK 4ever , go Masha ,,,

frenchie
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:30 PM
I voted Myskina...

No seriously Kuznetsova followed by Anna C

mashamaniac
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:30 PM
but in 2007 , Kuznetsova was better than Sharapova , but in fact both suck in 2007 , 1 title ,,,

how can you say kuzy was better than maria in 2007 knowing that maria's had better results at bigger times?
she reached AO final,FO semis,W 4th and USO 3rd rounds and also reached YEC finals! she won a tier I title by beating top players such as annaC,patty,mirza,etc...
what about kuzy? she too reached a GS final,but lost all of her 3 RR matches @ YEC!
she won a tier III title by 2 or more retirements,all the thing said above shows that maria has had still a better season even though she didn't play a total of 4-5 months,in contrary kuzy played every tournament!

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:37 PM
cause Kuznetsova played in fed cup ,,

saniapower
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:42 PM
Sharapova > Anna Chakvetadze

mashamaniac
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:42 PM
that's funny cuz as annaK_4ever said in previous page fed cup doesn't count on wta as it is an ITF-related tourny!

mashamaniac
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:42 PM
nah! sharapova > rest of russians!

Svetlana.
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:44 PM
2004
SHARAPOVA v MYSKINA - 2-1 in major titles
...3R.........QF........AUS
...QF.........W ........RG
...W..........3R........WIM
...DNP........SF........OLY
...3R.........2R........USO
...W..........SF........YEC
edge to Sharapova

2007
SHARAPOVA v KUZNETSOVA - 0-0 in major titles
...RU.........4R........AUS
...SF.........QF........RG
...4R.........QF........WIM
...3R.........RU........USO
...RU.........RR........YEC
Sharapova's only title - Tier I
Kuznetsova's only title - Tier II won via 3 retirements
edge to Sharapova

Sveta did great in 2004 as well. Isn't she?:confused:

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:46 PM
that's funny cuz as annaK_4ever said in previous page fed cup doesn't count on wta as it is an ITF-related tourny!

I know I'm speaking about another thing , yes Masha was injuried but she didn't play and Kuznetsova and Chaky played in fed cup ,,,

mashamaniac
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:53 PM
I know I'm speaking about another thing , yes Masha was injuried but she didn't play and Kuznetsova and Chaky played in fed cup ,,,

surely if she was healthy enough she'd have played in all 3 rounds of FC,and as far as it doesn't mean anything for WTA records to play FC or not,we can't take that FC results into account!

The Daviator
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:54 PM
2004
SHARAPOVA v MYSKINA - 2-1 in major titles
...3R.........QF........AUS
...QF.........W ........RG
...W..........3R........WIM
...DNP........SF........OLY
...3R.........2R........USO
...W..........SF........YEC
edge to Sharapova

2007
SHARAPOVA v KUZNETSOVA - 0-0 in major titles
...RU.........4R........AUS
...SF.........QF........RG
...4R.........QF........WIM
...3R.........RU........USO
...RU.........RR........YEC
Sharapova's only title - Tier I
Kuznetsova's only title - Tier II won via 3 retirements
edge to Sharapova


CHAKVETADZE v VENUS
...QF.........DNP........AUS
...QF.........3R ........RG
...3R..........W........WIM
...SF.........SF........USO
...SF..........DNP........YEC

Would you say Chaky had a better 2007 than Venus? :p ;)

No, seriously I know Vee won Wimbledon, and that counts, but Sveta beat Justine and both W sisters this year, only player to do so.

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 09:58 PM
Sveta did great in 2004 as well. Isn't she?:confused:

She did great but both Sharapova and Myskina performed better in 2004.
Kuznetsova didn't back up her USO win with other big title (unlike Sharapova who also won YEC and Myskina who won Moscow) and had catastrophic record against fellow top-tenners.

Myskina was the most consistent Russian in 2004 having reached QF at 15 of 19 events played. Sharapova was the most successful Russian having won Wimbledon and YEC and earned the biggest prize money.

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:03 PM
CHAKVETADZE v VENUS
...QF.........DNP........AUS
...QF.........3R ........RG
...3R..........W........WIM
...SF.........SF........USO
...SF..........DNP........YEC

Would you say Chaky had a better 2007 than Venus? :p ;)

No, seriously I know Vee won Wimbledon, and that counts, but Sveta beat Justine and both W sisters this year, only player to do so.

Kuznetsova beat Henin and didn't win the title. She beat Venus and didn't win the title. She beat Serena and didn't win the title.
What's the point in beating them if you lose to lesser player in the next round?

Numbers say Kuznetsova is the weakest year-end No.2 in the Open era. In my opinion her 2006 season was much better than 2007.

The Daviator
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:05 PM
Kuznetsova beat Henin and didn't win the title. She beat Venus and didn't win the title. She beat Serena and didn't win the title.
What's the point in beating them if you lose to lesser player in the next round?

But she showed her quality in beating them? :shrug: I'm no Sveta fan, she sucks most of the time :smash: But a few flashes of brilliance from Maria in 11 months does not put her above Sveta this year IMO.

Matt01
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:05 PM
thanks,that's so damn true! in overall,i don't think we can ever compare masha with kuzy,she's way better and talented than kuzy is...so all the things we say is useless,maria is absolutely the best russian ever!


OMG, teach Sharpie how to play a decent volley and then we can maybe talk :rolleyes:

Of course it would already help if she stopped moving like a turtle :p

frenchie
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:05 PM
2004
SHARAPOVA v MYSKINA - 2-1 in major titles
...3R.........QF........AUS
...QF.........W ........RG
...W..........3R........WIM
...DNP........SF........OLY
...3R.........2R........USO
...W..........SF........YEC
edge to Sharapova

2007
SHARAPOVA v KUZNETSOVA - 0-0 in major titles
...RU.........4R........AUS
...SF.........QF........RG
...4R.........QF........WIM
...3R.........RU........USO
...RU.........RR........YEC
Sharapova's only title - Tier I
Kuznetsova's only title - Tier II won via 3 retirements
edge to Sharapova

LOl Myskina was so >>>>>>>>> to Sharapova in 2004

You forgot Nastya won Fed Cup that year:rolleyes: and 4 more titles including a tier1 and a tier 2
(compared to Sharapova's titles in Seoul, Bankok or I don't know where in Asia:tape: )
And Nastya consistently reached the SF and Final in the tournies she entered

Not tomention their Head to head that year including a humiliation in Miami:help:

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:14 PM
LOl Myskina was so >>>>>>>>> to Sharapova in 2004

You forgot Nastya won Fed Cup that year:rolleyes: and 4 more titles including a tier1 and a tier 2
(compared to Sharapova's titles in Seoul, Bankok or I don't know where in Asia:tape: )
And Nastya consistently reached the SF and Final in the tournies she entered

Not tomention their Head to head that year including a humiliation in Miami:help:

For hardcore Myskina's fan you made too many factual errors in your post. Myskina won a total 3 titles in 2004, not "4 more titles" - Doha, Roland Garros and Moscow - and reached just one other final - at San Diego. Besides, Myskina defeated Sharapova in Indian Wells, she missed Miami in 2004.
And I repeat for the third time that Fed Cup has nothing to do with discussion of player's achievements in singles.

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Myskina was much better than Sharapova in 2004. Anyone who thinks the YEC is a "major" is an idiot.
Sveta owns Sharapova outdoors. YEC is outdoors from now on.

mashamaniac
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:19 PM
Sveta owns Sharapova outdoors.

you can always dream...indeed,if YEC is not a major event,so why the hell all players kill themselves to win it?? or to play it??!!

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:22 PM
Myskina spent the whole summer and autumn of 2004 at 2 or 3, Sharapova didn't get in the top 5 until after the YEC.
Golovin fans act like 3-1 h2h is owning. So I'll use that for Sveta and Maria outdoors.

kaktusino
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:24 PM
LenaD has good statistics in olympics years. she will have a good season. She show good results when is Olympics. 2000 and 2004 was great. 2008 will be good too.

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:26 PM
this thread's about the future not the past ,,,

kaktusino
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:28 PM
Sweet Cleopatra the past helps me too tell what i think about the future.

saint2
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:29 PM
OMG, teach Sharpie how to play a decent volley and then we can maybe talk :rolleyes:

Of course it would already help if she stopped moving like a turtle :p

Maybe shes moving like turtle, but shes outclassing rest of her compatriots since years, and she doesnt need to play good volleys to do that...Facts are facts. No matter what rankings saying, no matter who is "more talented", no matter who can play volleys, Sharapova simply OWNS rest of russians..

mashamaniac
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:29 PM
Myskina spent the whole summer and autumn of 2004 at 2 or 3, Sharapova didn't get in the top 5 until after the YEC.
Golovin fans act like 3-1 h2h is owning. So I'll use that for Sveta and Maria outdoors.

ok,let's get something straight here,you can be #2 for 10 years but it doesn't mean a thing! you can be #3 for 20 years still it's not important.and you can be #4 for 50 years again it doesn't matter!
what matters the most is that you be #1,for 1 week or 1 decade!
myskina been #2 for last century,what means the most is that maria has been #1 for nearly 3-4 months,so it shows who's better than who! conclusion: maria > nastya!

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:32 PM
Myskina spent the whole summer and autumn of 2004 at 2 or 3, Sharapova didn't get in the top 5 until after the YEC.
Golovin fans act like 3-1 h2h is owning. So I'll use that for Sveta and Maria outdoors.

Golovin did beat Kuznetsova both indoors and outdoors :p

As for the first part, Myskina fell out of Top-3 after Wimbledon (having spent 4 weeks at #3) and returned there in the middle of August for 7 more weeks including 2 weeks at #2. Afterwards she dropped to #4 again and regained her #3 rank in the mid-October after winning Moscow.
Amount of time spent in Top-3 is a weak argument. Jankovic has spent more weeks in Top-3 than Kuznetsova and will surpass Pierce and Myskina in the end of the year. Does it mean Jelena has had better career than Sveta, Mary and Nastya?

OsloErik
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:32 PM
I think it will come down to Maria or Kuznetsova, just as it has for the past two years, and just as it will for another 5-7.

If you break down the calendar into a couple sections (Start of the year through US Tier I's, Clay season, Grass season, Summer hardcourts, Fall season), Sharapova still is relying heavily on points from early in the season. She definitely helped herself a lot with the YEC (which was pretty remarkable, no?), but she is going to be in a serious pickle if she doesn't defend enough Aussie points, and Tokyo too. She only has four tournaments on her ranking in that time frame (Start of the year through Miami), but she has never played substantially more tournaments than that anyways. Kuznetsova has six tournaments on her ranking there, but only one is more than 200 points. She was steady but unspectacular (her motto this year) in that time frame. Being #2, she's likely to face more beneficent draws in some of those tournaments, and has the potential to add to her points a little.

In the clay season, Sharapova played only two tournaments (about half her usual total) but got as many or more points than she usually does during the clay season. Why? That semifinal at the French. Now, if she can pull that off again, she's pretty much set for the year, but I think her chances of reaching the semis are a little dubious, especially if she is outside the top 8 (a distinct possibility if her early season is poor). If she has to face any of the top 10 on clay, the only ones I can see her beating are Chakvetadze (whose kind of her bitch) and Hantuchova (who just sucks on clay/at winning against mentally tough playes). Kuznetsova had a very good clay season, but only played four events. A win at any of those four substantially increases her points total (by 130 at the Tier I's, 140 at Warsaw, and 750 at the French). While I don't think she'll win the French, she's certainly one of the best clay courters out there, and is quite capable of winning one of the other titles (Berlin is my bet, but Rome is possible). She won't have to face a good clay courter (unless Venus or Serena makes it far) until the semis, so she's got a better chance than I would rate Sharapova.

Grass is hard to say. Kuzzie only played one tournament, compared to her usual Eastbourne-Wimbledon plan, but did well there. If there's one surface Kuzzie has improved the most on in the past two years, it's grass. She's gotten a better sense of her serve on the surface, and has implemented her net game a lot more. Sharapova played two tournaments, but didn't do as well there. If she's healthy, I'd bet she can make the quarters or semis. If not, she could lose very early.

Summer hardcourts, Kuznetsova has a lot more to defend, but limited her schedule again. Sharapova has that one title in the summer, but can improve at the US. I'd bet that this is where Sharapova tries to make up lost ground the most.

In the fall, Kuznetsova has more to defend, but she doesn't have a lot. She also is pretty lousy indoors (I've played tennis all my life and I still can't figure this one out: is the surface of an indoor hardcourt significantly different from an outdoor hardcourt?) while Sharapova has quite a deal of skill indoors.

SO, basically, I think we'll know whose going to end as Russian #1 after grass season next year. My money is Kuznetsova, who I think could be the player to break Henin's hegemony (Henin already said that Kuznetsova is the player she most worries about on clay), but Sharapova can make up for lost ground on her three best sections of the year. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:35 PM
Myskina was ranked ahead of Sharapova for 52 weeks in 2004. And 52 weeks in 2003. And 52 weeks in 2002.
Myskina has her chance for #1. It rained at a tournament she was at, right before the Olympics. So she left for Athens. Then she couldn't close out Justine.
But #2 is okay, and she was Russian #1.

The Daviator
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:35 PM
Well it's all subjective, some people will view single-handedly winning the FC a big achievement and will give the nod to Nastya, but others not, I still think Nastya was the top dog of Russia at the end of 2004, and even Sharpie knew it :angel:

OsloErik
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:37 PM
Sveta owns Sharapova outdoors. YEC is outdoors from now on.

That's interesting, I'd forgotten that. And yes, Kuznetsova does have a pretty big lead on Sharapova outdoors. 7-3 in sets, correct?

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:43 PM
Well it's all subjective, some people will view single-handedly winning the FC a big achievement and will give the nod to Nastya

It would've been a big achievement had she defeated the likes of Schiavone in Italy, Pierce and Mauresmo like Dementieva did in 2005. Defeating Dulko, Dechy and Golovin is not a big deal for Top-5 players.

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:43 PM
She beat her in 2 sets in the Miami final, and 62 62 in Beijing, where Sveta gets some of her best results. And Sveta beat her at Wimbledon.

The problem with Sharapova is she's not healthy. The YEC was just one week. No miracle cure happened for her bursitis.

The Daviator
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:53 PM
It would've been a big achievement had she defeated the likes of Schiavone in Italy, Pierce and Mauresmo like Dementieva did in 2005. Defeating Dulko, Dechy and Golovin is not a big deal for Top-5 players.

When you beat Bartoli to win Wimbledon, you still win Wimbledon, Sharapova beat a crippled Serena to win the YEC, maybe we should discredit that win too :shrug:

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:58 PM
it's getting booring , who cares who was the best in 2004 , but I think both Myskina and Sharapova won RG and WIM in 2004 , you can't say who was better , cause they both won the best two tourenements ,,

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 10:59 PM
When you beat Bartoli to win Wimbledon, you still win Wimbledon, Sharapova beat a crippled Serena to win the YEC, maybe we should discredit that win too :shrug:

I'm pretty sure you can't beat seven *bartoli's* to win Wimbledon, just like you can't beat five *injuredserena's* to win YEC. Well, at least that has never happened before, I believe.
You, however, can win Fed Cup by beating Stosur, Dulko, Gussoni, Wartusch, Meusburger, Dechy and Golovin.

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:07 PM
Ok, I can admit Myskina clearly was the best Russian in 2004 until her Olympics loss to Henin. She had 41-10 win-loss record prior to that defeat. Since then she went 14-8 for the rest of the season.

The Daviator
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:07 PM
I'm pretty sure you can't beat seven *bartoli's* to win Wimbledon, just like you can't beat five *injuredserena's* to win YEC. Well, at least that has never happened before, I believe.
You, however, can win Fed Cup by beating Stosur, Dulko, Gussoni, Wartusch, Meusburger, Dechy and Golovin.

I suppose Sharpie's Asian Tier IV wins that year were more impressive than Myskina winning the FC for her country ;)

Although most would say NOT.

Anyway, this is all splitting hairs, it's very close between them in 2004, but I think there is enough evidence to say that Myskina was the best Russian that year, if you factor in things like rankings and H2H record, there's also some to say that Sharapova is better, it's subjective, it's not clear-cut.

Filippo-Nastya
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:20 PM
I'm pretty sure you can't beat seven *bartoli's* to win Wimbledon, just like you can't beat five *injuredserena's* to win YEC. Well, at least that has never happened before, I believe.
You, however, can win Fed Cup by beating Stosur, Dulko, Gussoni, Wartusch, Meusburger, Dechy and Golovin.

But it's not easy to win against Dechy and Golovin, in the last weekend of November, when you are tired after such a long season, your country has never won the FC before, the final is in Moscow so there's a lot of pressure on the team and you are forced to win 2 matches in singles and one in doubles since your team mate (Sveta), is unable to win a match.
That's why, IMO, Nastya was amazing in the FC final 2004.

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:36 PM
Nastya was Russian #1 in 2004. Case closed.
Sveta is current Russian #1, even though Anna won the award.

Svetlana.
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:37 PM
She did great but both Sharapova and Myskina performed better in 2004.
Kuznetsova didn't back up her USO win with other big title (unlike Sharapova who also won YEC and Myskina who won Moscow) and had catastrophic record against fellow top-tenners.

Myskina was the most consistent Russian in 2004 having reached QF at 15 of 19 events played. Sharapova was the most successful Russian having won Wimbledon and YEC and earned the biggest prize money.

I agree with you on that, plus Maria is one of a few Russians that has a great record against her fellow country women.

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:43 PM
Myskina was the most successful Russian in 2004. She was the highest ranked. First to win a major. She won Moscow. She won Fed Cup. She owned Sharapova.

Svetlana.
Nov 17th, 2007, 11:57 PM
Myskina was the most successful Russian in 2004. She was the highest ranked. First to win a major. She won Moscow. She won Fed Cup. She owned Sharapova.

You said that the case is closed? Aren't you? :) I agree that Nastya was better, but the second half of 2004 year was definitely all about Masha. (maybe because she was one of unexpected youngsters to win Wimbledon)

I can say for sure that 2004 was all about RUSSIAN tennis, period. ;)

IMPOSSIBLE
Nov 18th, 2007, 12:38 AM
Dementieva, hope Dushevina can do well also :)

goldenlox
Nov 18th, 2007, 12:59 AM
can't wait for the match tomorrow , my heart pumps fast when I remember , I hope the jews'll not play good , they're out already , what do you think of the match tomorrow ,,,R U out of your mind? Israel won 2-1.

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 18th, 2007, 01:02 AM
what ? I thought it'll be on sunday , I was sleeping all day , that's horrible why did they do that , they're out already , okay I don't want to talk about that ,

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 18th, 2007, 01:10 AM
and now what what should happen , is there any chance , sorry but I don't watch football and don't understand the rules , but is that means that Russia's out or there's a chance ?

Svetlana.
Nov 18th, 2007, 01:47 AM
and now what what should happen , is there any chance , sorry but I don't watch football and don't understand the rules , but is that means that Russia's out or there's a chance ?

Only if England going to loose their next match.

IanRadi
Nov 18th, 2007, 03:20 AM
If Anastasia comes back she will be the best Russian, if not I vote for Sharapova :rolleyes:

esquímaux
Nov 18th, 2007, 03:59 AM
Olga :crazy:
Sexy signature pic :kiss: :Prattskaya: :drool:

All will bowdown to Chaky in '08, kthanxbye :wavey:

bellascarlett
Nov 18th, 2007, 11:47 AM
The one who was the best Russian in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 - Sharapova.

:lol: This is what all the fuss is about...Now, I see. :D


Sveta will hold on to Russian #1. Sharapova was a temporary #1.

Oh god, the guts...:help: Hopeless...if you can call Maria temporary #1, then what is Sveta? Fake Russian #1...:drool:

In the end....please, Svetlana is not yet on the same level as Maria. :)

goldenlox
Nov 18th, 2007, 01:22 PM
I call Sveta the current Russian #1.

VeraNuVirgosFan
Nov 19th, 2007, 09:24 AM
The one who was the best Russian in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 - Sharapova.
The one and only Russian girl who has won 2 GS titles - Masha!

goldenlox
Nov 19th, 2007, 11:17 AM
She didn't win 2 majors in 2007. Only won 1 tournament. And gave up the Russian #1 spot in NY.

kaktusino
Nov 19th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Sharapova was the best in my opinion in 2005 and 2006.

But not in 2004 and 2007.
2004 was the year of Myskina but this year isnt great for her in all. 4 round Wimbledon, 3rd round US OPEN, and she end the season only fifth!!! yes, and 3 loses for Williams sisters.

Munich
Nov 19th, 2007, 11:56 AM
Sharapova. It depends on how her shoulders will show up in 2008 :unsure:

OsloErik
Nov 19th, 2007, 12:16 PM
You know it's stunning, I hadn't realized Kuznetsova had never been Russian #1 before. I had assumed she'd hit it briefly sometime in early '05, but I guess Sharapova vaulted over her just when Myskina dropped, and then in '06 there was Petrova in the way too. How odd.

BUT, maybe it'll motivate her? When she's playing nicely and freely she's absolutely fascinating to watch. Even when she's not playing nicely, it's like psychological theater playing out before your eyes!

LudwigDvorak
Oct 18th, 2008, 12:19 PM
Bump.

Interesting, no?

I think Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Chakvetadze, Dementieva, and Petrova will all have fairly regular spots in the top 10 in 2008, particularly the first two I named, in that order.

A far cry from Safina, Dementieva, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, Zvonareva. :unsure:

03 RuleTheCourt
Oct 18th, 2008, 12:43 PM
Progress wise, the 2008 top should be: Zvonareva & Safina

Shvedbarilescu
Oct 18th, 2008, 01:07 PM
Love it.

160 votes cast.

Not a single one went to the current world number 2 Dinara Safina. :haha:

If there is even one Nostradamus amongst the lot of us here at TennisForum, He/She was obviously on vacation during the time this poll took place.

What a sad hopeless lot all of us are. :o

Markus
Oct 18th, 2008, 01:09 PM
That's a good one with no vote for Safina!

Dawson.
Oct 18th, 2008, 01:15 PM
I think this poll proves that we all suck at predictions :lol:

enchantrezz
Oct 18th, 2008, 03:27 PM
Love it.

160 votes cast.

Not a single one went to the current world number 2 Dinara Safina. :haha:



This proves Safina has been the biggest surprise in 2008, at least in tennis forum :lol:

HRHoliviasmith
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:28 PM
no votes for dinara...wow. :haha: :haha: :haha:

Beny
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:41 PM
OMG 0 votes ?!

We should be ashamed!!!!!!! :lol:

bakkie pleur
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:42 PM
Safina is the best Russian.

Beny
Oct 18th, 2008, 04:56 PM
Really?? :lol:

Marilyn Monheaux
Oct 18th, 2008, 05:01 PM
Zero votes for Dinara is a shame:o
I guess nobody really saw this coming:shrug:
But tbh if it wasn't for her shoulder Masha would be the best Russian this year:sad:

soomaal
Oct 18th, 2008, 05:11 PM
Shame on all of us.

SOA_MC
Oct 19th, 2008, 04:08 AM
:lol: This is what all the fuss is about...Now, I see. :D



Oh god, the guts...:help: Hopeless...if you can call Maria temporary #1, then what is Sveta? Fake Russian #1...:drool:

In the end....please, Svetlana is not yet on the same level as Maria. :)

Where have you gone Bella?:sad: we used to fight all the time when I first joined

SOA_MC
Oct 19th, 2008, 04:17 AM
Chakvetadze/Safina

We have a winner if only you actually voted for Safina and not Chaky

SOA_MC
Oct 19th, 2008, 04:35 AM
how can you say kuzy was better than maria in 2007 knowing that maria's had better results at bigger times?
she reached AO final,FO semis,W 4th and USO 3rd rounds and also reached YEC finals! she won a tier I title by beating top players such as annaC,patty,mirza,etc...
what about kuzy? she too reached a GS final,but lost all of her 3 RR matches @ YEC!
she won a tier III title by 2 or more retirements,all the thing said above shows that maria has had still a better season even though she didn't play a total of 4-5 months,in contrary kuzy played every tournament!

Top players? and you give crap over Ana's Australian Open, Indian Wells & Roland Garros draws:lol:

Andy.
Oct 19th, 2008, 04:39 AM
Masha would have been if she had not been injured. She was the only one to win a slam regardless and has been the only one to win a slam since 2004.

Matt01
Oct 19th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Masha would have been if she had not been injured.


:yawn:

Koon
Oct 20th, 2008, 10:10 AM
No votes for Safina and Vera :o what a poll

new-york
Oct 20th, 2008, 10:13 AM
tremendous year for Dinara.

Unexpected, really.

But i'd still take Sharapova's season.:p

Mynarco
Oct 20th, 2008, 12:35 PM
ZERO for safina :o
and now who's talking :p

enchantrezz
Oct 20th, 2008, 12:37 PM
tremendous year for Dinara.

Unexpected, really.




even Dushevina got a vote. Dinara zero.:lol:

vettipooh
Oct 20th, 2008, 12:46 PM
even Dushevina got a vote. Dinara zero.:lol:}


Dinara :hug: Just goes to show.... :lol:
..

HRHoliviasmith
Oct 20th, 2008, 03:22 PM
even Dushevina got a vote. Dinara zero.:lol:

:haha:

lilimi
Oct 20th, 2008, 03:29 PM
:haha: shows hos much those "predict the future" threads are ridiculous.

pav
Oct 20th, 2008, 06:33 PM
Hard to see into the future alright :) Safina no votes:) but it wasn't long ago she made the Slumping player threads! and Bepa Z didn't even make it to the poll list :sad:, but probably understandable at the time :)

Temperenka
Oct 20th, 2008, 06:39 PM
congrats to Dinara.

enchantrezz
Oct 21st, 2008, 12:50 AM
Safina no votes:) and Bepa Z didn't even make it to the poll list :sad:

And these two have made the biggest leap in their career in 2008 :worship:

So much for predictions and people were so sure at that time :lol:

Danči Dementia
Oct 21st, 2008, 01:54 AM
Dinara had no votes :rolls:

Living_Legend
Oct 21st, 2008, 10:49 AM
Safina's had a great year but I think Maria still comes out top, a GrandSlam and she briefly visited the world #1 spot!!!

Emina.
Oct 21st, 2008, 10:52 AM
Masha obviously.

Malva
Oct 21st, 2008, 11:47 AM
That's absolutely a travesty! The actual best player getting 0 votes out of 160 predictions, when every other had some even mediocrities like Dushevina.

DA FOREHAND
Oct 21st, 2008, 02:49 PM
Talking about the Russians is so 2004!

Go Safina

Sharapower8
Oct 21st, 2008, 03:14 PM
Do I have to answer that question ? :p