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mankind
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:12 PM
Red group:
Ivanovic
Sharapova
Kuznetsova
Hantuchova

Yellow:
Henin
Serena
Annna
JJ

http://www.anaivanovic.com/?path=start/news&detailpage=945

Ana's website is so good! So updated. More than WTA Tour anyhow :o :o :o

NOTE: Based on RANKINGS not RACE, hence why Sharapova and Hantuchova together; and Henin, Jelena. :)

Demska
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:13 PM
Henin vs Serena :woohoo:

Sorry Serena fans, :hug:

mckyle.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:13 PM
Serena and Henin in the same group? Didn't expect that!!!!11111111

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:13 PM
you lie!!!!

jonnyroyale_13
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:14 PM
http://www.anaivanovic.com/?path=start/news&detailpage=945

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:14 PM
so the yellow group is the group of death...

mankind
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:15 PM
http://www.anaivanovic.com/?path=start/news&detailpage=945

Yes, that's where I got it from. I'll edit my post.

The Kaz
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:15 PM
Henin and Jelena AGAIN! :bigcry:

Jenny.C.Fan
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:15 PM
good draw for Sveta, Vamos.

BartoliBabes
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:15 PM
anna is in for it! lol

Just Do It
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:15 PM
I cant believe this !!!!!!!

DragonFlame
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:16 PM
Red group:
Ivanovic
Sharapova
Kuznetsova
Hantuchova

Yellow:
Henin
Serena
Annna
JJ

if this is the draw i'm really beginning to think those draws are rigged. Jelena, serena and justine in the same half again. That's the 4th time in a row in the important events right?:o

n.sad
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:16 PM
FUCK!!!!!! Jelena Jankovic always has stupid hard draw and I'm sick of matches between JJ & Justin before the final and also sick of matches between Serena and Justine, and as always Kuznetsova has better draw :( :(

Demska
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:16 PM
I thought to Serena fans she was better and more accomplished than Justine. Why you worry about playing her so much I'll never know, or is there an underlying truth somewhere..

goldenlox
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:16 PM
I thought Dani and Maria were 7 and 8. Shouldn't they be in different groups?

azmad_88
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:16 PM
Sharapova actually has a shot for the semifinals in her group!

Yellow group :eek:

Iceland
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:17 PM
Chakvetadze will never win a match here :lol:.
Nice draw for Ana :cool:.

Wayn77
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:17 PM
JJ v Henin!!!!! :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

mckyle.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:17 PM
I'm amazed at how stupid the WTA thinks the public is. Definitely fixed.

mankind
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:17 PM
I thought Dani and Maria were 7 and 8. Shouldn't they be in different groups?

Maria is 6. It's based on rankings I think. :shrug:

azmad_88
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:17 PM
I thought Dani and Maria were 7 and 8. Shouldn't they be in different groups?

they use the current rankings.. not the current race

mckyle.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:18 PM
I thought to Serena fans she was better and more accomplished than Justine. Why you worry about playing her so much I'll never know, or is there an underlying truth somewhere..

It's not just Williams fans. It's obvious that the big tournaments have been rigged all year.

Dexter
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:18 PM
Lovz it. :drool:

Juju4ever
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:18 PM
LOL! Serena, Jelena and Justine in the same side of the draw, again! Makes you wonder how random this draws really are. :)

The Kaz
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:18 PM
Henin & Serena :devil:

Another Serena beatdown buy Justine (hopefully) :rocker:

Pureracket
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:19 PM
I thought to Serena fans she was better and more accomplished than Justine. Why you worry about playing her so much I'll never know, or is there an underlying truth somewhere..SWOOP!!!!!

The Kaz
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:19 PM
I thought to Serena fans she was better and more accomplished than Justine. Why you worry about playing her so much I'll never know, or is there an underlying truth somewhere..

:worship: You usually spew out lots of shit, but THIS hits the nail on the head.

Rena fans...scared, much? :devil:

Beny
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:19 PM
So unexpected and surprising!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I´ll check the thread where we predicted the group drawings and I guess 99% of us were right :lol:

mankind
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:19 PM
Lovz it. :drool:

:lol: It's a great draw for Ana.

Just Do It
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:19 PM
Justine and Jelena are #1 and #2 in YEC race , how can be in the same group ?

Just Do It
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:19 PM
I thought to Serena fans she was better and more accomplished than Justine. Why you worry about playing her so much I'll never know, or is there an underlying truth somewhere..

Just shut the hell up.

Freakan
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:20 PM
Ana and Jelena will reach semis, at least :yeah:

Beny
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:20 PM
Ana must have been so happy when she saw the draw/groups that she immediately uploaded her website..she was even quicker than WTA. :D

supergrunt
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:20 PM
Ok Serena. This is your time. Lets get 'em :D !

Dexter
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:21 PM
Justine and Jelena are #1 and #2 in YEC race , how can be in the same group ?For gazilionth time, the draw is based on the current ranking not the race.

Demska
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:21 PM
I just speak what everyone thinks.

supergrunt
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:22 PM
Just shut the hell up.

Don't even bother respondng to him.

IanRadi
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:22 PM
Yellow :eek:

mckyle.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:22 PM
I just speak what everyone thinks.

You speak what will get you the most attention and what causes the biggest commotion.

Ntour
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:23 PM
that is embarrassing, again sharapova gets the weakest possible draw

they are seriousy trying to help her, but probably just like the USO she'll manage to screw it up

cook29
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:23 PM
It is actually not a bad draw as it will allow a serena v justine final.Remember top 2 of each group go through and thsi was serena nad justine can only meet in final after the group stages.In all probability they will play each other twice.I think we are going to see serena and justine go through from their group and ivanovic and kuzzy from theirs.

Sharapova is not guarenteed a win in her group with her level of play lately but sahe ddefinatey avoided her worst 2 players in the group stage.

Draw good for artings as most people enjoy seeing a justine and serena match

Just Do It
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:23 PM
For gazilionth time, the draw is based on the current ranking not the race.

:o

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:23 PM
well i guess that means that at least Serena and jh can play a final...the semi matches :help:

eck
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:23 PM
Spain's flag colours :lol:

jonnyroyale_13
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:24 PM
Ana must have been so happy when she saw the draw/groups that she immediately uploaded her website..she was even quicker than WTA. :D

Maybe..:lol:

Beny
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:25 PM
I just speak what everyone thinks.

No, you don't. If what you speak was what I think, my head would have to be full of sh*t.
And I believe it's not :wavey:

roelc
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:25 PM
come on dani! this is your chance!

buckyohare
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:26 PM
For gazilionth time, the draw is based on the current ranking not the race.

For the gazilliarded time, the "draw" is based on giving Pova the easiest draw :).

LDF
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:27 PM
Poor Chakvetadze :tape:

I'm glad that Maria avoided Justine and Serena :bounce:

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:27 PM
yea the draw does look rigged but what can ya do lol...odd numbers even numbers lol

Lady
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:28 PM
Just like everyone here predicted. Justine and Jelena - tough draws, in the same group. And off course Serena had to be there. :lol:

MistyGrey
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:29 PM
Poor Anna! :(
Atleast she has a good H2H record against JJ!

Justine,Serena and Jelena in the same group! :help:

Slutiana
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:29 PM
Serena's gonna beatdown henin this time. At least they won't have to play in SF if they get there :shrug:

Ballbasher
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:29 PM
One of Sveta,Dani and Masha will be in SFs :banana: I somehow have the feeling it'll be Dani :) Chaky:unsure: Tough!

Ben.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:29 PM
Not surprised about Justine & Serena being in the same group...they were destined to be. Jelena doesn't have an easy draw by any means...her only realistic chance of winning a match would be against Anna, but even Anna causes her some problems.

Sharapova actually has an okay draw...at least she doesn't face Justine or Serena (likely chance she would get thrashed by them).

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:29 PM
Anna just bt Jankobitch :wavey:


Ana, Daniela and Masha in same gp :woohoo:
Sveta likes it.

Ntour
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:30 PM
i think the jelena-serena match will decide 2nd place for the yellow group

©@®eLess
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:31 PM
Like i said it is Kuznetsova who is the darling of the WTA...just check her draws at all events. She's been given a no.2 at the end...GIVEN...she won 1 title en route she had 3 retirements. Jelena won two TIER 1's, had a final at 1 TIER 1, 2 TIER II finals, a TIER 3 title, and a final and a TIER IV title....and yet she is still behind her.

You can bet that at AO it will be Justine and Jelena in same parts of draws again, and if Jelena ever manages to get no.2 she will still be in the SF with no.1, as WTA will somehow change the draw rules.

YOU SUCK WTA!

You get them all Jelena and boli them all in your sweet revenge!

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:31 PM
wouldn't it be weird if jj is the one who loses all her matches LOL....

Iceland
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:31 PM
For the gazilliarded time, the "draw" is based on giving Pova the easiest draw :).

It really seems so, it's amazing!
But she won't reach SF this time. Go Ana and Daniela :bounce:!

*Jean*
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:31 PM
I thought Janka couldn't have Henin :o :o

NeeemZ
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:32 PM
Wow, talk about Anna not winning any matches. She drew the three toughest opponents.

Craigy
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:34 PM
Good luck Serena! :D

n.sad
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:36 PM
Let's not forget that JJ always plays best against hard players and she has problems with lower ranked girls. So this is going to be a space tennis between SW,JJ and JH. Anna Chakvetadze :help:

Beny
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:37 PM
btw.When does the play start?
Monday or Tuesday?

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:38 PM
Wow, talk about Anna not winning any matches. She drew the three toughest opponents.

actually jj has it worse since anna sort of owns jj LOL

goldenlox
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:38 PM
If Anna was in with Ana and Maria, she would still have to earn her wins.
This isn't about easy. You have to beat good players here.
Anna has had no success vs Maria. She does well vs Jelena.

NeeemZ
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:43 PM
What's with Sveta and Maria and cake walk draws? They are basically gifted to them. Why is Justine, Serena and Jankovic always in the same half of the draw and Maria and Sveta are 'by chance' on the opposite sides? It happened at RG, Wimby and US Open and it just happened again!

soul
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:45 PM
I wonder how may times more Justine and Serena and Jelena will be in the same half ofthe draw?The whole season we have watched the same film and it is reall starting to annoy.
Im not a hater,either but I think supporters also want to watch different players matches
Anyway, wish all of them luck in the last tournamnet of the year

The Kaz
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:46 PM
wouldn't it be weird if jj is the one who loses all her matches LOL....

It would be even weirder if Serena lost all her matches :devil: :drool:

©@®eLess
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:48 PM
actually jj has it worse since anna sort of owns jj LOL

Well she actually has the best shot of beating Serena

ce
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:48 PM
Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:49 PM
It would be even weirder if Serena lost all her matches :devil: :drool:

theres 0% chance of Serena losing all 3
cos she wont play the 3rd if she lost 2 already :p

ce
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:49 PM
JJ :bigcry:
its just not fair :sad:

Highlandman
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:50 PM
Serena's group :o Hopefully she reaches SF.

ViennaCalling
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:50 PM
Jelena :sad: :hug:

NeeemZ
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:50 PM
actually jj has it worse since anna sort of owns jj LOL

I guess Anna will have a mental edge going in but she had a dodgy indoor season whereas Jankovic didn't have that bad of an indoor season.

Ben.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:50 PM
wouldn't it be weird if jj is the one who loses all her matches LOL....

wouldn't be surprised...hopefully that doesn't happen.

here are my predictions for the RR placings:

YELLOW
1. Henin (3 wins, 0 losses)
2. Williams (2 wins, 1 loss)
3. Chakvetadze (1 win, 2 losses)
4. Jankovic (0 wins, 3 losses)

RED
1. Sharapova (2 wins, 1 loss)
1. Ivanovic (2 wins, 1 loss)
3. Kuznetsova (1 win, 2 losses)
4. Hantuchova (1 win, 2 losses)

tennis_lover89
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:50 PM
I want a re-match against ivanovic:devil:

Farina Elia Fan
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:51 PM
theres 0% chance of Serena losing all 3
cos she wont play the 3rd if she lost 2 already :p

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

tennis_lover89
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:51 PM
I guess Anna will have a mental edge going in but she had a dodgy indoor season whereas Jankovic didn't have that bad of an indoor season.did jankovic actually have an indoor season? I just don't remember her playing

Filippo-Nastya
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:52 PM
The yellow group should be funny. I would like to see both JJ and Anna C in the semis but I know that it's very difficult. :lol:

As regard the red group I think that Ana is the favourite to finish 1st. For the 2nd place I have no idea. :confused:

Midnight
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:52 PM
Yellow group is the group of death, i think Jankovic and Henin will make it through and Ivanovic and Kuznetsova will make it from the other group

Just Do It
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:53 PM
Jelena will have to beat Serena here :armed:

CooCooCachoo
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:54 PM
Lovz it. :drool:

Obviously :lol:

Highly skewed groups.

Renalicious
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:57 PM
I'm not worried for Serena. I'd love to see another Henin-Williams match! :D And another Jankovic one too :)

NeeemZ
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:57 PM
did jankovic actually have an indoor season? I just don't remember her playing

I think she played Stuttgart, when she lost to JH. And she did play Zurich although she lost to Vaidisova although I'd leave to that to exhaustion from flying from Germany to Thailand to Switzerland in the space of a week.

Well, she played Beijing (that's not indoors, right?)and Stuttgart where she had good results.

roelc
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:57 PM
and who will be the lucky one that will play the 3rd match against justine?
basically justine will be sure of playing the semi's and lose that last RR-match (like she did against sugiyama in 2003 and against mauresmo last year)

imagine serena winning that match and then losing in the final :lol:

Wayn77
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:58 PM
Jelena will have to beat Serena here :armed:

that will be the crucial match in "The Group Of Death" :unsure:

Do we know when the daily itinerary is out?

Hant11
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:58 PM
Good luck Daniela :yeah:

ce
Nov 3rd, 2007, 01:59 PM
Jelena will have to beat Serena here :armed:

:armed:
we are ready to cheer hard :devil: :worship:

Helaena
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:00 PM
omg :eek: i can't beleive this draw....not again...:tape:

roelc
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:00 PM
. And she did play Zurich although she lost to Vaidisova although I'd leave to that to exhaustion from flying from Germany to Thailand to Switzerland in the space of a week.


well that was a very smart decision of her, it has to be said (again and again) :tape:

Il Primo!
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:01 PM
Lol at the easy draws yadayadayada.

As far as I'm concerned, Chokevetadze plays horribly, Serena is not in terrific form, Jankovic played like crap the whole fall season.

In the other group, Hantuchova, although she sucks, is at the top of her sucky game, the inconsistent Ivanovic still managed to win Luxembourg and Kuznetsova is kind of injured. Maria is in poor form.

All the field is sucky but hénin. So stop whining for things which don't even exist.It's getting odd. Someone to give me relevant arguments which show the so-called superiority of the yellow group, please.

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:01 PM
that will be the crucial match in "The Group Of Death" :unsure:

Do we know when the daily itinerary is out?

its out later today
no doubt WTA will do the same idiotic scheduling as in past YEC :rolleyes:

all they got to do is same as ATP format
winners of 1st set of matches play each other in 2nd set, and losers likewise
but WTA dont do that :help:
we've had players completing all 3 of their matches whilst one player in gp as only played 1 :rolleyes: :o :o

NeeemZ
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:01 PM
and who will be the lucky one that will play the 3rd match against justine?
basically justine will be sure of playing the semi's and lose that last RR-match (like she did against sugiyama in 2003 and against mauresmo last year)

imagine serena winning that match and then losing in the final :lol:

Yeah, I can imagine Anna being the third match after beating Jelena, and it's Anna that makes it through because Justine loses! LOL

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:02 PM
there's no easy and hard draw , they're all tough players and no match is predectible .

Giovanna
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:06 PM
Masha has an easy draw again :worship: :worship: I think she is able to go to the semi

strictennis
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:08 PM
Great draw for Daniela! I <3 Dani!!

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:08 PM
I just speak what everyone thinks.

I'm gonna say what everyone thinks as well:
YOU ARE AN ANNOYING IDIOT.

patch.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:08 PM
Sharapova is lucky...she should get through that group...

Renalicious
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:10 PM
I'm gonna say what everyone thinks as well:
YOU ARE AN ANNOYING IDIOT.

:worship: :worship:

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:12 PM
please don't say Maria has a lucky draw , I have bad memories about that , and also Sveta knows how to beat Maria , Ana is in her best year , Dani is in very good form ,,

pigmalion
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:12 PM
Um I love that draw :drool:

Justine vs Anna :hearts:

vw.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:15 PM
Henin and Jelena AGAIN! :bigcry:

Actually, be happy, it means they can't meet in the semis if they both make it. :p

supergrunt
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:16 PM
Lol at the easy draws yadayadayada.

As far as I'm concerned, Chokevetadze plays horribly, Serena is not in terrific form, Jankovic played like crap the whole fall season.

In the other group, Hantuchova, although she sucks, is at the top of her sucky game, the inconsistent Ivanovic still managed to win Luxembourg and Kuznetsova is kind of injured. Maria is in poor form.

All the field is sucky but hénin. So stop whining for things which don't even exist.It's getting odd. Someone to give me relevant arguments which show the so-called superiority of the yellow group, please.

:)

serenus_2k8
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:21 PM
Urgh the red group is far less interesting! I guess WTA wanted to make sure their was a Serena Henin face off for sure! Guess all we can do now is wait and see!

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:24 PM
Someone to give me relevant arguments which show the so-called superiority of the yellow group, please.

Justine and Serena only this year won as many Slams as six other players did in their whole careers.

Besides,

GS titles in 2007:
Yellow - 3
Red - 0

Tier I and above titles in 2007:
Yellow - 8
Red - 3

Tier II and above titles in 2007:
Yellow - 14
Red - 7

RenaSlam.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:26 PM
Sharapova gets yet another...easy draw.

Avoiding Justine, Serena, and Jelena...:tape:

Watching
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:27 PM
I thought to Serena fans she was better and more accomplished than Justine. Why you worry about playing her so much I'll never know, or is there an underlying truth somewhere..

No Serena fan said that at all if you look at the posts before yours :p

I think this is a good group for Serena. She and Henin will probably go through from their group and meet again in the final!

avocadoe
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:28 PM
where's the TV schedules for the event? thanks!

CuteKoala
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:29 PM
What a tough draw for Jelena! :mad: She's never lucky. :rolleyes:
And what a ridiculously easy draw for Kusnezowa and Ivanović! :fiery: This is very annoying. :rolleyes:

Watching
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:30 PM
:worship: You usually spew out lots of shit, but THIS hits the nail on the head.

Rena fans...scared, much? :devil:

I don't hope for a Jankovic beatdown I hope for a good match. Repeat no Serena fans have said they're scared at all.

tennis_lover89
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:30 PM
I'm gonna say what everyone thinks as well:
YOU ARE AN ANNOYING IDIOT. :yeah:

tennis_lover89
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:32 PM
Sharapova gets yet another...easy draw.

Avoiding Justine, Serena, and Jelena...:tape: she doesn't need to avoid neither jelena or serena

Shoulderpova
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:32 PM
Maria has more than a good chance to make it to the semis again:woohoo:
Anna :awww: At least beat Jankovic again :devil:

BuTtErFrEnA
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:32 PM
i don't care about tv schedules cause i can't watch it!!!!!!!!!!!!! all the latinamerican people here and me....we should petition ESPN about not showing women's tennis at all!!!!

ce
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:32 PM
And Sharapova agai with an easy group
I just _ATE her

tennis_lover89
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:34 PM
i don't care about tv schedules cause i can't watch it!!!!!!!!!!!!! all the latinamerican people here and me....we should petition ESPN about not showing women's tennis at all!!!!
I feel the same.. At least they could show the yec!!:fiery: ..we can only see the girls playing at grand slams:tape: ..espn latinamerica is a joke

Il Primo!
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:35 PM
Justine and Serena only this year won as many Slams as six other players did in their whole careers.

Besides,

GS titles in 2007:
Yellow - 3
Red - 0

Tier I and above titles in 2007:
Yellow - 8
Red - 3

Tier II and above titles in 2007:
Yellow - 14
Red - 7


You didn't notice that I was talking about current form? So if I follow your logic, if Higis was in one of the group, she would have been a real treat? No I don't think so. Only Justine is in form, the others play poorly even multiple GS champions like Serena or even Maria. End of the story.

vettipooh
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:36 PM
Tough draw, but go Rena!!!:bounce:

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:52 PM
You didn't notice that I was talking about current form? So if I follow your logic, if Higis was in one of the group, she would have been a real treat? No I don't think so. Only Justine is in form, the others play poorly even multiple GS champions like Serena or even Maria. End of the story.

Did Martina win a GS or multiple Tier I/II titles THIS year? Cos I'm talking about 2007 only.

Btw, even according to you the fact the only in-form player (Justine) is in yellow group makes this group stronger than the other one.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:57 PM
I love those groups. Daniela and Ana have a great chance to qualify for semis. Actually whoever qualifies from this group, will make me happy :D
As for the second group, Henin will probably win all three matches. JJ and Serena will fight for the second spot and Chakvetadze won't win a match.
That's how I see it.

Munich
Nov 3rd, 2007, 02:58 PM
Best of luck to Maria :kiss::hug::smooch:

lilimi
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:02 PM
that's the groups i planned, except that i switched dani and anna

Duramont
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:03 PM
Jelena and Anna in Justine's group :mad:

Second group is alot easier. I hope Dani will make the most of it. :)

The Daviator
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:07 PM
Great draw for Ana, hopefully she'll go 3-0 :D

Good luck in the other group Serena :scared:

Cat123
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:08 PM
Jelena drew Justine, what a complete and utter shock :rolleyes: I'm optimistic though. If ever there was a time to finally beat her, now is it! :D

Maria's got a good draw though :D Hopefully she can make the most of it.

scoobsuk
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:10 PM
This draw is more top heavy than Serena :o

Just ONE of Serena, Justine, Jelena in the red group would have made it better.

ImaVeggie
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:17 PM
Usually, I don't just go to the end of a thread without reading all the previous posts, but today I am. Am I wrong in assuming that there has been some posts saying that the draw was fixed?

Pardon me if someone has already stated how the draw was decided.

Please allow me to just barge in here to ask...

Is it done by "names in a hat" or simply #1 in Yellow Group, then #2 in Red, #3 in Yellow, #4 in Red and so forth.

The latter way is what it looks like to me.

Michael!
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:18 PM
Good chances for Sveta and Daniela. ;)
I hope Sharapova isn´t in good shape, and Ivanovic didn´t play well since Luxemburg. :devil:
I think Justine and Serena are the favourites in the other group.
Anna is totally out of shape and JJ is tired.

Good luck to Daniela and Svetlana :bounce:

*W*
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:21 PM
:apumpkin:

Dodoboy.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:26 PM
Imagine the matches if Venus qualified!!
The Yellow Group would really be the group of death the way it was going to shape up!... Come on Daniela!! Come on Serena!! Come on Svetlana!!

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:27 PM
CAREER H2Hs

RED GROUP

Kuznetsova Ivanovic Sharapova Hantuchova TOTAL
Kuznetsova xxx 1-3 3-3 6-3 10-9
Ivanovic 3-1 xxx 2-1 1-1 6-3
Sharapova 3-3 1-2 xxx 5-1 9-6
Hantuchova 3-6 1-1 1-5 xxx 5-12


YELLOW GROUP

Henin Jankovic Serena Chakvetadze TOTAL
Henin xxx 8-0 6-6 2-0 16-6
Jankovic 0-8 xxx 2-2 2-5 4-15
Serena 6-6 2-2 xxx 0-0 8-8
Chakvetadze 0-2 5-2 0-0 xxx 5-4


2007 H2Hs

RED GROUP

Kuznetsova Ivanovic Sharapova Hantuchova TOTAL
Kuznetsova xxx 0-2 0-0 2-1 2-3
Ivanovic 2-0 xxx 2-0 1-1 5-1
Sharapova 0-0 0-2 xxx 0-0 0-2
Hantuchova 1-2 1-1 0-0 xxx 2-3


YELLOW GROUP

Henin Jankovic Serena Chakvetadze TOTAL
Henin xxx 6-0 3-1 1-0 10-1
Jankovic 0-6 xxx 0-1 1-1 1-8
Serena 1-3 1-0 xxx 0-0 2-3
Chakvetadze 0-1 1-1 0-0 xxx 1-2

Pink Princess
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:29 PM
C'mon!!! Anna:bigclap: and Masha:bigclap:

doni1212
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:32 PM
This draw is more top heavy than Serena :o

Just ONE of Serena, Justine, Jelena in the red group would have made it better.

:lol:
Well, I so called this. Sharapova with the easiest draw while Justine, Jelena and Serena end up together. Fixed draws AGAIN, :fiery:

Martian KC
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:34 PM
*sigh*

hurricanejeanne
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:40 PM
I'm so not surprised Justine, Jelena, and Serena are all in one group.
Anna's gonna go 0-3. :sad:

Maria's really the wildcard in this for me, if her shoulder is doing better she has a chance to come out of her group for the semis, if it's still crap, she's in trouble. So Ana is probably the best bet to come out of her group on top. Sveta is too streaky and Daniela :shrug:

Good luck, Serena, Anna, and Ana. :)

Shepster
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:41 PM
so the yellow group is the group of death...
Group of death? Henin beats everyone, everyone beats Anna, Serena v JJ decides it. The other group is completely open.

LANGAM
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:47 PM
I thought to Serena fans she was better and more accomplished than Justine. Why you worry about playing her so much I'll never know, or is there an underlying truth somewhere..

Its not that people are worried. Its just that this is the sort of match you want to watch in the final. Its the sort of match that deserves to be in the final. On a good day it is anyone's game. It just so sad to see the best players being knocked out early because of rubbish draws.

felipe2004
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:49 PM
i don't care about tv schedules cause i can't watch it!!!!!!!!!!!!! all the latinamerican people here and me....we should petition ESPN about not showing women's tennis at all!!!!

At least in Brazil we have Sportv, that shows all semis and finals of Tier I and YEC! :)

maja.amelie
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:49 PM
:sad: WTF? Serena and Justine again..terrible.

Serena please STOP Justine :bounce:

felipe2004
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:52 PM
#1, #2, #5 and #6 in the Race in one group. #3, #4, #8 and #9 in the Race in the other! :lol:

Hashim.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:56 PM
ughhhh!! i hate it :sobbing:

Cat's Pajamas
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:59 PM
how lopsided :help:

ImaVeggie
Nov 3rd, 2007, 03:59 PM
#1, #2, #5 and #6 in the Race in one group. #3, #4, #8 and #9 in the Race in the other! :lol:

I do believe they use the Current Rankings and not the "Race To" Rankings for the Draw.

Therefore...

#1, 3, 5, 7 in one group and

#2, 4, 6, 8 (in this case, 9) in the other group.

fufuqifuqishahah
Nov 3rd, 2007, 04:28 PM
Gawd the draws really must be rigged... this is semi-absurd.

I hope Daniela makes it to semis then. :bounce:

Petkorazzi
Nov 3rd, 2007, 04:31 PM
Anna :speakles: :awww:

tennis_lover89
Nov 3rd, 2007, 04:33 PM
Its not that people are worried. Its just that this is the sort of match you want to watch in the final. Its the sort of match that deserves to be in the final. On a good day it is anyone's game. It just so sad to see the best players being knocked out early because of rubbish draws. why are u complaining so much about that?:rolleyes: if serena is the best after justine like you say..they can still meet in the finals. Which was last year's final? Amelie vs Justine..and they were in the same group :shrug:

Bijoux0021
Nov 3rd, 2007, 04:40 PM
if this is the draw i'm really beginning to think those draws are rigged. Jelena, serena and justine in the same half again. That's the 4th time in a row in the important events right?:o
No kidding! Where the hell have you been all those years? I guess just as so many people like you, you were just in denial, huh?

roelc
Nov 3rd, 2007, 04:40 PM
why are u complaining so much about that?:rolleyes: if serena is the best after justine like you say..they can still meet in the finals. Which was last year's final? Amelie vs Justine..and they were in the same group :shrug:

2003 F kim-amelie (same group)
2004 F maria-serena (not in the same group)
2005 F amelie-mary (same group)
2006 F justine-amelie (same group)

so it's quite usual that 2 players from the same group meet in the final

doni1212
Nov 3rd, 2007, 04:42 PM
No kidding! Where the hell have you been all those years? I guess just as so many people like you, you were just in denial, huh?

:lol:

Bijoux0021
Nov 3rd, 2007, 04:49 PM
Come on now! What's the big surprise? Don't tell me you all didn't already know that once Sharapova was in the draw, it was going to be rigged in her favor. When are you going to stop lying to yourselves?

goldenlox
Nov 3rd, 2007, 04:55 PM
Sharapova must be a huge star, if slams and the YEC have their draws rigged just to help her go farther.

doni1212
Nov 3rd, 2007, 04:55 PM
Come on now! What's the big surprise? Don't tell me you all didn't already know that once Sharapova was in the draw, it was going to be rigged in her favor. When are you going to stop lying to yourselves?

Exactly, I called this once Venus withdrawed.

plantman
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:00 PM
Sharapova must be a huge star, if slams and the YEC have their draws rigged just to help her go farther.

The biggest these days!:)

thrust
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:01 PM
Unbelieveably stupid and unfair, but then, this is the WTA! The draws should be based on race points for this tournament as that is how the players qualified for it. If Sveta doesn^t make the semi^s, then her #2 ranking is a joke. She had the same easy draw at the USO!

nbaker53
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:07 PM
Sure the groups are lopsided but I mean if you wanna be the best you've got to be the best eventually right?

LudwigDvorak
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:14 PM
Henin's group is boring as always.

Should be interesting to see how the yellow group pans out. Anyone can make it through.

simba
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:16 PM
in order for Serena to win she will have to go through Justine. so good luck to all my favs. i don't know why people are complaining about Sharapova's draw. Remenber the USopen, she had the cake walk draw to the Semi and lost in the 3round.

lightningquick
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:30 PM
i hope this tourny will be entertaining. GO GIRLS!!! show them why the wta is not a joke.

ju, no pressure. just do your best.

thrust
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:34 PM
Exactly, I called this once Venus withdrawed.

If Venus had played, they would have found a way to put her in Serena^s and Justine^s group.

doni1212
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:37 PM
If Venus had played, they would have found a way to put her in Serena^s and Justine^s group.

Oh, I know. There is no way they would have seperated them, :rolleyes:

SvetaPleaseWin.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:38 PM
semis should be henin, serena, sveta and dani IMO

2moretogo
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:40 PM
While the draw is lopsided, in YEC you can be on the same side of the draw and still make it to the finals. So bring it Serena v. Henin. Also, I see some pretty good match ups in other group.

Cilla
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:41 PM
JJ :sobbing:

tenn_ace
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:44 PM
And Sharapova agai with an easy group
I just _ATE her


:cuckoo:

Kworb
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:45 PM
So #2, #4, #6 and #9 in one group

#1, #3, #5 and #7 in the other

:o

justine schnyder
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:46 PM
Yellow gourp :scared: :eek:
Red group :o

Good luck to:

ALEZZZZZZ JUJU!!!!!
Jelena!!!!!!!


I want Dani and Sveta to do well to and I'm cirious to see what Chakky will able to do there.... :o

@Sweet Cleopatra
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:47 PM
stop talking about easy draws please , you know what happened last time you said that ,

pepsi
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:52 PM
The draw is definitely rigged. All the ugly players are grouped together in the yellow group. And, with the exception of Kuznetsova, all the good looking girls are in the red group. ;)

ElusiveChanteuse
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:55 PM
Go Maria!Win the whole thing!:rocker:

;)

doni1212
Nov 3rd, 2007, 05:57 PM
stop talking about easy draws please , you know what happened last time you said that ,

Yup, and it's going to happen this time too. Ivanovic and Svetlana/Hantuchova are through.

Tamus
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:03 PM
I hate chance; it's so biased.

njnetswill
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:06 PM
Anna is going to get destroyed. Torn apart. Poor thing. :sad:

TennisGuy21
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:11 PM
I think Serena is in a fine half of the draw. She is going here so she can play Henin again, she knows its why she is there. JJ has a horrible time trying to play Anna, so I see Anna coming out of that just fine, I dont really see to much hope for JJ in this one guys.. Other half of the draw could go either way. I think if Maria can get past Ana, she will make the final on that half, other wise it could be Sveta. My pick is still Serena to win.

Derek.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:12 PM
Dream draw for Ivanovic.

Do something, Daniela. :devil:

kaktusino
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:16 PM
Who will be 9 and 10 number? Dementieva and Bartoli?

Serenidad.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:28 PM
Jankovic and Hantuchova are the only players who don't have winning records against anyone

Lol @ Ivanovic's site bashing Jelena and her BFF Hantuchova.

Andrew Laeddis
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:50 PM
that is embarrassing, again sharapova gets the weakest possible draw

they are seriousy trying to help her, but probably just like the USO she'll manage to screw it up

i dont think its was rigged for maria who if she plays like she did in moscow will go 0-3. ivanovic has owned her lately and kuznetsova can beat sharapova based on current form. ivanovic should definately win all of her matches and kuznetsova should 2 of her 3. unless maria suprises us all either she on hantuchova will be 0-3. if they were going to rig the draw for sharapova a btter group wouldve been sharapova,chakvetadze,hantuchova,and jankovic.

dawid
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:52 PM
I think it's good draw for Serena. Justine will beat Serena in RR, but lost to her in final :devil: You will see it!

Andrew Laeddis
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:52 PM
ivanovic must be so overjoyed. her biggest challeneges are in the other group (justine) or withdrawn (venus).

Dexter
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:55 PM
Lol @ Ivanovic's site bashing Jelena and her BFF Hantuchova.Since when showing facts is bashing? :tape:

Serenidad.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:56 PM
When those facts are unflattering?

Poova
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:57 PM
Poor Jelena, she gets Serena and Justine PLUS Chakvetadze who owns her! :lol:

Perfect draw for Maria - great chance to defend her points! :cool:

Dexter
Nov 3rd, 2007, 06:58 PM
When those facts are unflattering?Too f... bad.

ImaVeggie
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:00 PM
To those of you think draws are rigged, why do you bother to follow a sport that's corrupt?

LeRoy.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:02 PM
If Venus would have played which group would she be in based on rankings ?

Yarden
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:03 PM
Great draw for Svetlana, I really hope she will make the semis :D
Also good luck to Justine :yeah:

Princeza
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:10 PM
Mwahaha we're gonna laugh a lot.

Expat
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:11 PM
i dont think its was rigged for maria who if she plays like she did in moscow will go 0-3. ivanovic has owned her lately and kuznetsova can beat sharapova based on current form. ivanovic should definately win all of her matches and kuznetsova should 2 of her 3. unless maria suprises us all either she on hantuchova will be 0-3. if they were going to rig the draw for sharapova a btter group wouldve been sharapova,chakvetadze,hantuchova,and jankovic.
thats impossible chaky and hantu will be drawn in diff groups
she has to draw one of either henin vs kuzzy kuzzy is easier
jelena vs ana both tough for her
chaky v hantu both easy for her but chaky is in a bigger mess than maria right now

tobi
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:11 PM
Yet another easiest possible draw for Ana :haha:

Poova
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:15 PM
If Venus would have played which group would she be in based on rankings ?
Yellow. :lol: Chakvetadze would have moved to Red in Sharapova's place.

jacobruiz
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:19 PM
For all the fools saying that the draw is rigged in Maria's favor (why not in Ana, Dani, or Sveta's favor?:rolleyes: ) here is the way the groups are chosen:


BY THE CURRENT RANKINGS!!!!


1. Henin Yellow

2. Kuznetsova Red

3. Jankovic Yellow

4. Ivanovic Red

5. Williams Yellow

6. Sharapova Red

7. Chakvetadze Yellow

8. Venus not playing

9. Hantuchova Red

So much for "rigging" the draw.:rolleyes:

friendsita
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:20 PM
Even I could qualify for the semis in the red team... good luck Masha!!

MrSerenaWilliams
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:28 PM
Serena/Justine final

starin
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:31 PM
Draw is not completely lopsided like the USO. At least Ivanovic is in the other group.
Ivanovic and Kuznetsova should make the Sf. Along with Justine. The real battle will be btwn Jankovic/Chakvetadze/Serena who are all in equally bad form coming in. Whoever can step up their game from the Fall season will win. I hope it's Serena or Jankovic :)

ohh and really tough draw for Serena. Serena this year has had the most success against slow power hitters (Sharapova, Vaidisova, Hantuchova) and struggled the most against good defenders (Henin, Peer, Dementieva). Everyone in Henin's group can defend pretty well (with Serena being the worst) and everyone in Ivanovic's group can't defend well at all (with Kuznetsova being the best).

Tamus
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:50 PM
Seriously, the "Maria always gets weak draws" arguemnet doesn't hold water. Sure she's not facing Henin or Serena, but she couldn't face Serena, so there was a 50 % chance of this happening. Then you look at Jankovic or Ivanovic. Sharapova's 3-1 against Jankovic, her only loss coming in a tough 3-setter. She's 1-2 against Ivanovic, getting blown out twice. Then there's Chakvetadze or Hantuchova. Not much of a differnce there, but Sharapova's never lost to Chakvetadze and Hantuchova is "in form".

Sure the draw will look rigged if all the highest possible seeds are drawn together, but there is as much of a chance of this happening as any other possibility.

And for everyone bitching about Serena and Justine being in the same group, there's a good chance that match won't matter if they can both beat Jankovic and Chakvetadze. At least they're guaranteed not to meet in the semis.

Juju4ever
Nov 3rd, 2007, 07:53 PM
Draw is not completely lopsided like the USO. At least Ivanovic is in the other group.
Ivanovic and Kuznetsova should make the Sf. Along with Justine. The real battle will be btwn Jankovic/Chakvetadze/Serena who are all in equally bad form coming in. Whoever can step up their game from the Fall season will win. I hope it's Serena or Jankovic :)

ohh and really tough draw for Serena. Serena this year has had the most success against slow power hitters (Sharapova, Vaidisova, Hantuchova) and struggled the most against good defenders (Henin, Peer, Dementieva). Everyone in Henin's group can defend pretty well (with Serena being the worst) and everyone in Ivanovic's group can't defend well at all (with Kuznetsova being the best).

I don't agree with that part. :)
I think Serena's defensive abilities are very underrated. She can get every ball back, she's a great athlete. But yeah, Henin and especially Jelena are a great defenders as well. Anna C on the other hand is a great ball striker, IMO.

MistyGrey
Nov 3rd, 2007, 08:24 PM
Seriously, the "Maria always gets weak draws" arguemnet doesn't hold water. Sure she's not facing Henin or Serena, but she couldn't face Serena, so there was a 50 % chance of this happening. Then you look at Jankovic or Ivanovic. Sharapova's 3-1 against Jankovic, her only loss coming in a tough 3-setter. She's 1-2 against Ivanovic, getting blown out twice. Then there's Chakvetadze or Hantuchova. Not much of a differnce there, but Sharapova's never lost to Chakvetadze and Hantuchova is "in form".

Sure the draw will look rigged if all the highest possible seeds are drawn together, but there is as much of a chance of this happening as any other possibility.

And for everyone bitching about Serena and Justine being in the same group, there's a good chance that match won't matter if they can both beat Jankovic and Chakvetadze. At least they're guaranteed not to meet in the semis.

That is actually a very good post. I didnt look at it that way. Thanks! :wavey:

bellascarlett
Nov 3rd, 2007, 08:24 PM
To those of you think draws are rigged, why do you bother to follow a sport that's corrupt?

Ding Ding!!! :rocker2:

Well but some people here are idiots who only cowardly talk behind a computer screen, that's why. I've always maintained that the draws being rigged should mean that we are insulted tremendously as fans of the sport. Rigging is no joke. If it's a strong belief others have, then as a true fan of tennis, why not protest to the WTA or to their favorite player? Be truly active about it instead of repeating it for the trillionth time on this board :yawn: because as I said, rigging is no joke and shouldn't be taken lightly. But then again....some here are idiots who only cowardly talk behind a computer screen. :lol:

And isn't it funny how some only see Sharapova?...Always...:drool: Obsessed much?! :lol: Loves it. Didn't the others in her group get an easy draw as well? Actually, the others probably even got it easier than Maria given the fact that THEY got Maria - as sad as that sounds for a fan. :o

Anyway, good luck Mash. :) Win matches. :help:

danieln1
Nov 3rd, 2007, 08:28 PM
My God, poor Anna Chakvetadze, she´ll get heavily spanked, i hope she wins agains Jankovic, poor Anna

PaulHopkins
Nov 3rd, 2007, 09:34 PM
The draw is NOT rigged ffs :lol:

brent-o
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:06 PM
God, what is up with these draws? I am so sick of having Henin, Serena, Jelena in one half and in the other an easy path to the final for someone like Kuznetsova where they will promptly self destruct and not even make it close.

Lady
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:10 PM
For all the fools saying that the draw is rigged in Maria's favor (why not in Ana, Dani, or Sveta's favor?:rolleyes: ) here is the way the groups are chosen:


BY THE CURRENT RANKINGS!!!!


1. Henin Yellow

2. Kuznetsova Red

3. Jankovic Yellow

4. Ivanovic Red

5. Williams Yellow

6. Sharapova Red

7. Chakvetadze Yellow

8. Venus not playing

9. Hantuchova Red

So much for "rigging" the draw.:rolleyes:

Do you realize that if the draw was truly chosen the way you showed, it would make the grops terribly uneven?
Do you think always putting the strongest of the 2 in the same group is fair?
By rankings 1>2, 3>4, 5>6 and 7>8. So by putting 1, 3, 5 and 7 in the same group on purpose, they delibarely make this group tougher and thus unfair?

Josh.
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:20 PM
best possible draw for daniela. :dance:

ImaVeggie
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:20 PM
Rigging is no joke. If it's a strong belief others have, then as a true fan of tennis, why not protest to the WTA or to their favorite player? Be truly active about it instead of repeating it for the trillionth time on this board :yawn: because as I said, rigging is no joke and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Totally agree. Those who feel that the draws are rigged should actively do something about it. How can they be so complacent?

DO SOMETHING!!!

jacobruiz
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:26 PM
Totally agree. Those who feel that the draws are rigged should actively do something about it. How can they be so complacent?

DO SOMETHING!!!


Really! And not to mention the players themselves - hard to believe that not a single player has ever seriously complained about the "obviously rigged" draws! Hmm...:scratch: I guess they must all have been secretly paid off!:tape:

bellascarlett
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:33 PM
Really! And not to mention the players themselves - hard to believe that not a single player has ever seriously complained about the "obviously rigged" draws!

:lol: yes, another one.

let's see what the trolls have to say now.

Hachiko
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:34 PM
Nice draw for Ana. She should really come out on top.

jacobruiz
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:36 PM
Do you realize that if the draw was truly chosen the way you showed, it would make the grops terribly uneven?
Do you think always putting the strongest of the 2 in the same group is fair?
By rankings 1>2, 3>4, 5>6 and 7>8. So by putting 1, 3, 5 and 7 in the same group on purpose, they delibarely make this group tougher and thus unfair?


Yes, it IS unfair that way, I agree. But that is how the draw has been done in the past, by the tour rankings. I could be wrong, but I think this is how it has been done, at least in recent years so it has been consistent and not "rigged" which was my point.

tennis_lover89
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:36 PM
:lol: yes, another one.

let's see what the trolls have to say now.
I don't know surely doni is burning her head thinking about something :lol:

esquímaux
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:36 PM
Yellow group is where it's at :eek::lol: They're all gonna beat up on Chaky :sobbing::rolls::o

bellascarlett
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:40 PM
I don't know surely doni is burning her head thinking about something :lol:

:rolls:

yeah something....something stupid....as usual.

Lady
Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:44 PM
Yes, it IS unfair that way, I agree. But that is how the draw has been done in the past, by the tour rankings. I could be wrong, but I think this is how it has been done, at least in recent years so it has been consistent and not "rigged" which was my point.

No, it wasn't. It was picked randomly, between 1 and 2, 3 and 4 etc.
If the draw was truly "chosen" your way, then it was rigged.
If it was known forever that 1, 3, 5, and 7 are one group, why ANYONE would be waiting to announce the draw?

BTW, I believe this year they picked randomly as well, some players simply have more luck then others. It will all even out eventually. :shrug:

terjw
Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:08 PM
No, it wasn't. It was picked randomly, between 1 and 2, 3 and 4 etc.
If the draw was truly "chosen" your way, then it was rigged.
If it was known forever that 1, 3, 5, and 7 are one group, why ANYONE would be waiting to announce the draw?

BTW, I believe this year they picked randomly as well, some players simply have more luck then others. It will all even out eventually. :shrug:

Well said. Of course the draw are not rigged. But some players are really unlucky. And there does seem an inevitability about lopsided draws this year with Justine, Serena & Jelena always on the same side. I predicted this draw exactly in the draw prediction thread.

As a Jelena fan - I hope you are right about it all evening out eventually. I dunno if and when that will happen though. She's going to have to get a hell of a lot of easy draws to make up for these ridiculously tough draws she's been getting this year.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:09 PM
Time to step it up Serena :cool:

~Cherry*Blossom~
Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:12 PM
Yellow. :lol: Chakvetadze would have moved to Red in Sharapova's place.

:haha: That definitely would have been the group of death :rolls:

serenus_2k8
Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:51 PM
Whats the order of play?

tennisbear7
Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:56 PM
Looking forward to the Ana/Masha match and Serena/Henin.

stevos
Nov 4th, 2007, 12:00 AM
If Sharapova always gets cakewalks, why would the tour "give" her two Williams sisters in a row at the fifth largest tournament of the year (Miami), or Venus Williams in her fourth round at Wimbledon?

I know it's odd that Justine/Serena/Jelena are in the same group yet again, but I'm not so sure I buy the rigging claims.

I can't wait for Serena-Jelena to be honest. I love when Serena plays players that can athletically get ball after ball back, because watching Serena defend offensively is my favourite style she plays.

Let's go Maria, fuck em all.

RJWCapriati
Nov 4th, 2007, 12:03 AM
That yellow group is damn tough!! Maria got lucky again with the draw

Blu€
Nov 4th, 2007, 12:03 AM
Daniela for the semis!:bounce: Crash Sveta!

frontier
Nov 4th, 2007, 12:18 AM
I think Serena will avail in their next meeting.I am not worried about Serena but pova is in for a shock against her draw,its a deceptively easy draw.It wont be a surprise to see Hantukova and Ana in the semis.Its not given that Justine will win her group.This YEC is up for grabs.:bounce:

Buitenzorg
Nov 4th, 2007, 12:23 AM
Ivanovic v 3 "...va"

faboozadoo15
Nov 4th, 2007, 12:31 AM
That yellow group is damn tough!! Maria got lucky again with the draw

You're so so dumb. When will you learn?


Look at the rankings.
1,2 opp groups
3,4 opp groups
5,6 opp groups
7,8 opp groups

It was IMPOSSIBLE for Sharapova to be in the same group as Serena.

I'll give you that #2 Kuznetsova is no Henin, there was a 50% chance of this.
Maria could be in the same group as Jankovic or Ivanovic. Sharapova's Head2Head's clearly show she'd rather be playing Jankovic.
Dani versus Chaky is a wash, she owns them both, but Hantuchova is in FAR better form than Anna.

So basically ONE thing in the draw went her way, no Henin.

Il Primo!
Nov 4th, 2007, 12:59 AM
If Serena played that great, she wouldn't have been in Justine's group. Period. until she gets her mess together, she will still have chances to draw Justine. It's not a matter of fixed draws. I do know some of you are just sarcastic, ironic. But I'm worried about those who aren't, for lack of cerebral capacities :unsure: :scared:

Matt01
Nov 4th, 2007, 01:23 AM
Group of death? Henin beats everyone, everyone beats Anna, Serena v JJ decides it. The other group is completely open.


:lol: That about sums it up!

LindsayRulz
Nov 4th, 2007, 01:06 AM
Well, Sharapova has the easiest draw possible, as always. The red group should be interesting at least.

Shepster
Nov 4th, 2007, 01:09 AM
Well, Sharapova has the easiest draw possible, as always.
Really? I didn't realise she drew JJ and Chakvetadze... :scratch:

azza
Nov 4th, 2007, 01:11 AM
If its the race why did they use rankings for this that defies the whole purpose of the fucking race haha!!!1111oneone

Hingiswinsthis
Nov 4th, 2007, 01:31 AM
well Anna Chaky picked her fate when she helped with the draw! Good luck to her:devil:

Allez Justine!:worship:

plantman
Nov 4th, 2007, 01:41 AM
Really! And not to mention the players themselves - hard to believe that not a single player has ever seriously complained about the "obviously rigged" draws! Hmm...:scratch: I guess they must all have been secretly paid off!:tape:

:yeah:

Dawn Marie
Nov 4th, 2007, 01:42 AM
It's not just Williams fans. It's obvious that the big tournaments have been rigged all year.


Janice tennis has had cheating going on since the beginning of the sport. In fact I think it's the most cheating sport in all of sports. From the bottom to the top. They fix draws on all levels.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Nov 4th, 2007, 01:59 AM
Red group:
Ivanovic
Sharapova
Kuznetsova
Hantuchova

Yellow:
Henin
Serena
Annna
JJ


Somehow, I knew that my prediction will be correct :lol:

Yellow Group
Henin
"Deadmeat..." (Anna)
"Oh shit, I'm with Henin!" (Janky)
"Not her again!" (Serena)

Red Group
"Phew, it's not the No.1!!" (Kuznetsova)
"This group looks easy" (Dani)
"Thank you God... thank you!" (Maria)
"My chance to shine!" (Ana)

Karsten Braasch
Nov 4th, 2007, 02:00 AM
Hey Serena :bigwave:

hablo
Nov 4th, 2007, 03:34 AM
Somehow, I knew that my prediction will be correct :lol:

Yellow Group
Henin
"Deadmeat..." (Anna)
"Oh shit, I'm with Henin!" (Janky)
"Not her again!" (Serena)

Red Group
"Phew, it's not the No.1!!" (Kuznetsova)
"This group looks easy" (Dani)
"Thank you God... thank you!" (Maria)
"My chance to shine!" (Ana)

:lol:

I just wish I could watch these matches. :crying2:

AcesHigh
Nov 4th, 2007, 03:50 AM
Somehow, I knew that my prediction will be correct :lol:

Yellow Group
Henin
"Deadmeat..." (Anna)
"Oh shit, I'm with Henin!" (Janky)
"Not her again!" (Serena)

Red Group
"Phew, it's not the No.1!!" (Kuznetsova)
"This group looks easy" (Dani)
"Thank you God... thank you!" (Maria)
"My chance to shine!" (Ana)

:lol: hilarious, but true

AcesHigh
Nov 4th, 2007, 03:52 AM
I think this is a good grouping. Henin is stuck with her two hardest opponents at the moment. Sharapova has a warmup group so she can get her form together before getting a chance to topple Serena/Henin/Jankovic and Hantuchova actually has a chance at a few competitive matches.

Does anyone know what the groups would look like if Venus didn't withdraw?

Expat
Nov 4th, 2007, 04:06 AM
I think this is a good grouping. Henin is stuck with her two hardest opponents at the moment. Sharapova has a warmup group so she can get her form together before getting a chance to topple Serena/Henin/Jankovic and Hantuchova actually has a chance at a few competitive matches.

Does anyone know what the groups would look like if Venus didn't withdraw?
venus would be in the same group as serena and justinE

anna would be 6 (currently maria)
venus 7 ( currently anna)
daniela 8 (same)

Jeff
Nov 4th, 2007, 04:09 AM
Well these groupings ensure some good match-ups...for the yellow group anyway. With so few players, I do think having a "draw" is dumb. They should just have an automatic positioning. When you add up the rankings, the yellow group adds to 20, while red only adds to 16. Serena, Jelena, or Justine should be traded with Hantuchova or Sharapova to make it more even. But like I said, we are assured some good matches for the yellow group. They'll have to work hard to win, and since this is the YEC, it's good that the heavy weights will have some competition.

LucasArg
Nov 4th, 2007, 05:38 AM
The draw sucks big time! :mad:

faboozadoo15
Nov 4th, 2007, 06:32 AM
Well, Sharapova has the easiest draw possible, as always. The red group should be interesting at least.

Can you read?

Look at the rankings.
1,2 opp groups
3,4 opp groups
5,6 opp groups
7,8 opp groups

It was IMPOSSIBLE for Sharapova to be in the same group as Serena.

I'll give you that #2 Kuznetsova is no Henin, there was a 50% chance of this.
Maria could be in the same group as Jankovic or Ivanovic. Sharapova's Head2Head's clearly show she'd rather be playing Jankovic.
Dani versus Chaky is a wash, she owns them both, but Hantuchova is in FAR better form than Anna.

So basically ONE thing in the draw went her way, no Henin.

svetaisthebest
Nov 4th, 2007, 07:05 AM
God, what is up with these draws? I am so sick of having Henin, Serena, Jelena in one half and in the other an easy path to the final for someone like Kuznetsova where they will promptly self destruct and not even make it close.

At the US Open Sveta made it through to the final despite having an easy draw.It was Maria who didn't ;) .

supergrunt
Nov 4th, 2007, 07:06 AM
so when me rena goona play juju?

ClaudiaZ-S
Nov 4th, 2007, 09:20 AM
Red group :help: so weak...

Sammy 4 eva!!!
Nov 4th, 2007, 10:43 AM
Good draw for Ana!

hdfb
Nov 4th, 2007, 10:47 AM
They rig the draw so much for Maria it isn't funny.

cypher_88
Nov 4th, 2007, 11:53 AM
Can you read?

Look at the rankings.
1,2 opp groups
3,4 opp groups
5,6 opp groups
7,8 opp groups

It was IMPOSSIBLE for Sharapova to be in the same group as Serena.

I'll give you that #2 Kuznetsova is no Henin, there was a 50% chance of this.
Maria could be in the same group as Jankovic or Ivanovic. Sharapova's Head2Head's clearly show she'd rather be playing Jankovic.
Dani versus Chaky is a wash, she owns them both, but Hantuchova is in FAR better form than Anna.

So basically ONE thing in the draw went her way, no Henin.
:worship: :worship: yup some people haven't figured out how to use their brain.

StZox
Nov 4th, 2007, 04:32 PM
I am tired of seeing Jelena in the same half as Justine over over again. This is unbelievable
Svetlana has been soooooo lucky throughout the year