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mankind
Oct 27th, 2007, 07:36 AM
144,000 people will receive immortal life in heaven as co-rulers with Christ, guiding the rest of mankind to perfection during the Millennial Reign. Witnesses believe that during the imminent war of Armageddon, the wicked will be destroyed, and survivors, along with millions of others who will be resurrected, will form a new earthly society ruled by a heavenly government and have the possibility of living forever in an earthly paradise.

Do you guys actually believe this stuff, or is this just someone messing around with Wikipedia?

EDIT: Sorry, that came off a little harsh. No malice intended, just intrigued by these specific beliefs, especially the one about 144,000 people being saved.

SloKid
Oct 27th, 2007, 10:00 AM
I am not a Jehovah's Witness, but I know a few and they do believe all that. It's unbelievable how much it influences their life despite some of it being, with all due respect, stupid and silly.

Just Do It
Oct 27th, 2007, 10:44 AM
I read a book about JW's . That is really scary. Everything started in New York, of course :)

BTW They are stalking me, every day asking to take thir books and to come to their convention :lol:

JAMESYBABY!
Oct 27th, 2007, 10:47 AM
I read a book about JW's . That is really scary. Everything started in New York, of course :)

BTW They are stalking me, every day asking to take thir books and to come to their convention :lol:


hehe danilo,,,,KENDALL:rocker2:

is my freind kendall she is a johovas witness,
but her parents dont let her out of her house for tht reason:rolleyes:??

Monica_Rules
Oct 27th, 2007, 02:18 PM
Its just another sily aspect of religion full stop. This just seems stranger cos its not mainstream. read the bible, the tora or the qur'an and you'll see pleanty of things just as ridiculas but because they are the 3 main religions they are accepeted.

Read the God Delusion byt Richard Dawkins. He summerises religion greatly.

ce
Oct 27th, 2007, 02:46 PM
tape

mykarma
Oct 27th, 2007, 03:11 PM
Do you guys actually believe this stuff, or is this just someone messing around with Wikipedia?

EDIT: Sorry, that came off a little harsh. No malice intended, just intrigued by these specific beliefs, especially the one about 144,000 people being saved.
No, I'm not a JW, as a matter of fact, I'm not a Christian. I really don't understand why some people on this board feel the need to dog this particular religion when all religions have things that make absolutely no sense on the surface. To disrespect this particular religion is not only insensitive, but just plain wrong.

It's not what religion a person believes in, but how they represent their religion/beliefs by their actions, not by what their religion says.

BTW, if no malice was intended, you could have deleted the post or at least the part of your post you felt might have been harsh.

drake3781
Oct 27th, 2007, 09:09 PM
Isn't this very similar to what Evangelical Christians (including and supporting George W. Bush) believe?

Scotso
Oct 27th, 2007, 09:49 PM
I don't think Evangelicals think they will co-rule with Christ, no.

Religious beliefs such as those are the greatest arrogance. It sounds like the Scientologist belief that they'll get to be a god of their own planet. There are far too many self-worshipping people in this world. But it's no surprise they've created religions to support their megalomania.

mykarma
Oct 28th, 2007, 12:19 AM
I don't think Evangelicals think they will co-rule with Christ, no.

Religious beliefs such as those are the greatest arrogance. It sounds like the Scientologist belief that they'll get to be a god of their own planet. There are far too many self-worshipping people in this world. But it's no surprise they've created religions to support their megalomania.
Speaking of arrogance, perhaps you should reread your post.

Whitehead's Boy
Oct 28th, 2007, 04:49 AM
People are annoyed by this particular religion, because Jehovah's Witnesses are generally very annoying. I don't think I've ever said anything about judaism once in my life. Simply because I've never been annoyed about judaism, I never felt it had any negative influence on my life.

Their dedication in trying to convert people is astonishingly stupid when you know only 144 000 people will receive eternal life. The less JW the better your chances are to get to Heaven if you are one, you would think. But the problem is that they don't think.

Jehovah's Witnesses are just brainwashed and unable to think clearly, there is no other explanation. :shrug: It's true that every religion makes silly claims, but some religions are just more silly than others. For example, the Catholic Church can defend their faith rationaly and the Church has a rich intellectual history; JW, Mormons, Scientologists, etc; can't. If there are any intellectuals belonging to those groups, I'd like to hear them.

drake3781
Oct 28th, 2007, 04:50 AM
No, I'm not a JW, as a matter of fact, I'm not a Christian. I really don't understand why some people on this board feel the need to dog this particular religion when all religions have things that make absolutely no sense on the surface. To disrespect this particular religion is not only insensitive, but just plain wrong.

1. Why this particular religion... wouldn't that be *any* religion?

2. I'm with you to a point about not criticizing religions (unless you believe this one is to be treated differently for some reason), but I'm not sure where to draw the line. I actually love criticizing Scientology, but is that wrong? Mormons have some "interesting" (to be tactful) beliefs. And there are those Christian religions with very extreme - dare I say xenophobic? - beliefs and world views. Not to mention many others.

It's not what religion a person believes in, but how they represent their religion/beliefs by their actions, not by what their religion says.

Agree.

And IMO there is no need for anyone to talk about religion while doing anything, just live and act it.

BTW, if no malice was intended, you could have deleted the post or at least the part of your post you felt might have been harsh.

I think he did. :shrug:

PointBlank
Oct 28th, 2007, 07:34 PM
Their dedication in trying to convert people is astonishingly stupid when you know only 144 000 people will receive eternal life. The less JW the better your chances are to get to Heaven if you are one, you would think. But the problem is that they don't think.

The 144,00 are pre-chosen to get into heaven. The amount of members has nothing to do with it. The 144,000 can already be in heaven and never even with the Witness church. They will come back during Armageddon during or after the final battle, then God will chose who is to recieve eternal life and who wont.



Jehovah's Witnesses are just brainwashed and unable to think clearly, there is no other explanation. :shrug: It's true that every religion makes silly claims, but some religions are just more silly than others. For example, the Catholic Church can defend their faith rationaly and the Church has a rich intellectual history; JW, Mormons, Scientologists, etc; can't. If there are any intellectuals belonging to those groups, I'd like to hear them.


Okay, thats just dumb.

Dexter
Oct 28th, 2007, 07:42 PM
There was this case in Poland that a kid of JW needed a blood transfusion and as their religion doesn't allow to do that, parents didn't let doctors to do it. Poor kid died because for his/her (I don't remember if it was a girl or a boy) parents silly (sorry, I don't want to offend anybody, but it is silly) religion rule was more important than their kid's life.

Whitehead's Boy
Oct 28th, 2007, 08:13 PM
The 144,00 are pre-chosen to get into heaven. The amount of members has nothing to do with it. The 144,000 can already be in heaven and never even with the Witness church. They will come back during Armageddon during or after the final battle, then God will chose who is to recieve eternal life and who wont.

Okay, thats just dumb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_and_salvation

As for 'that's just dumb', if you don't mention what you found dumb and don't elaborate, I can't answer.

PointBlank
Oct 29th, 2007, 08:46 AM
If everything you believe comes from wikipedia, you live a sad life.

griffin
Oct 29th, 2007, 04:02 PM
Poor kid died because for his/her (I don't remember if it was a girl or a boy) parents silly (sorry, I don't want to offend anybody, but it is silly) religion rule was more important than their kid's life.

While I agree that this is tragic, and I certainly don't share their beliefs about medicine and treatment, I don't think any religion would consider a person's salvation and the fate of their immortal soul to be a "silly" matter.

Pretty much all religions consider the afterlife far more important than mortal existence. And your religion teaches that transfusions or whatever will prevent you from getting to heaven, the parent's decision in this case is actually quite logical.

Tragic, and misguided imo, but logical,

I don't think JW theology is any nuttier than Revelations, etc. The only difference in my mind is that mainline Christian beliefs have been around long enough to make them feel less strange.

rottweily
Oct 29th, 2007, 06:53 PM
All religions are silly, some are ridiculously silly.

Halardfan
Oct 29th, 2007, 08:10 PM
When I talk about religion I struggle to remain measured and calm. Suffice to say, I find the views of this religion and many others, ridiculous and dangerous.

Kart
Oct 29th, 2007, 09:33 PM
There was this case in Poland that a kid of JW needed a blood transfusion and as their religion doesn't allow to do that, parents didn't let doctors to do it. Poor kid died because for his/her (I don't remember if it was a girl or a boy) parents silly (sorry, I don't want to offend anybody, but it is silly) religion rule was more important than their kid's life.

This happens all the time in adults all over the world.

I'm surprised that the courts let that happen though to a child that can't consent to treatment in its own right.

On topic, Jehovah's Witnesses are okay with me in terms of their beliefs on medicine.

IMHO we have to respect people's autonomy over their own bodies.

When they're influencing another person though it's a wholly different matter.

The rest of what they believe is not really my business - we all have some strange ideas as this website frequently highlights.

Whitehead's Boy
Oct 29th, 2007, 10:07 PM
If everything you believe comes from wikipedia, you live a sad life.

That's interesting you infer I have a sad life solely on the fact I used a wikipedia link. I can find another source to prove you're entirely wrong, if Wikipedia bothers you.

I see too much relativism in the last posts. JW belief are more dangerous than what the average Christian found the street believe, I've read and heard enough about them to know it.

kittyking
Oct 30th, 2007, 02:11 AM
All I know about Jehovah's Witness's is that they seem to stalk me. I move into a house 2 weeks later I'm visited by them, 2 years later I move house and 2 weeks later I'm visited by the exact same JW's. I move house again 3 years later and guess what happens 2 weeks later....

Rocketta
Oct 30th, 2007, 05:54 AM
I had just as many baptists trying to save the soul of Mexicans knock on my door on saturday morning (because my apt complex was like 90% hispanic) than I had JW's do it. Frankly they all are a pain in the ass when they wake you up early on your day to sleep late. :shrug:

religion is about faith, it's not about fact or scientific investigation.....it's about faith.....what I don't get is why is that so hard for people with no faith to understand. :scratch:

Whitehead's Boy
Oct 30th, 2007, 06:17 AM
religion is about faith, it's not about fact or scientific investigation.....it's about faith.....what I don't get is why is that so hard for people with no faith to understand. :scratch:

People with no faith understand it perfectly. That's precisely why they are annoyed.

Believing things without facts or scientific investigation is dangerous. If I believe blacks are inferior, is it okay as long as I hide behind my faith? "Hey, I just know deep inside they are, a little voice tells me so." Err, no, it doesn't work that way. To believe something, you need to justify it, provide evidence, a reasonning, something. Otherwise you are a danger and a nuisance to society.

Scotso
Oct 30th, 2007, 06:19 AM
This happens all the time in adults all over the world.

I'm surprised that the courts let that happen though to a child that can't consent to treatment in its own right.

On topic, Jehovah's Witnesses are okay with me in terms of their beliefs on medicine.

IMHO we have to respect people's autonomy over their own bodies.

When they're influencing another person though it's a wholly different matter.

The rest of what they believe is not really my business - we all have some strange ideas as this website frequently highlights.

I agree with you, as long as they're not affecting others directly, I think people should be allowed to do and believe as they wish. But that said, I don't think it's fair for parents to make a decision leading to their child's death when it can be easily prevented. The parents may be willing to die for their beliefs, but the child hasn't had the opportunity to make that decision. There need to be certain standards, which I believe you were alluding to.

Belco
Oct 30th, 2007, 06:14 PM
I read a book about JW's . That is really scary. Everything started in New York, of course :)

BTW They are stalking me, every day asking to take thir books and to come to their convention :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There is a Jehovah's Witness hall thingy near where i live and they also used to talk us :tape: Until the last time i told them ill open the gate and let my pitbull at them.. Funny thing is i dont have a pitbull :lol: They dont come anymore but here in geelong there are some serbian JW cause they'd come to our door and speak either english or serb :tape:

p.s what did Jehovah Witness?

Melly Flew Us
Oct 31st, 2007, 08:56 PM
hehe danilo,,,,KENDALL:rocker2:

is my freind kendall she is a johovas witness,
but her parents dont let her out of her house for tht reason:rolleyes:??
are you saying your friend is not allowed out of her house? if that is so you may find that she is not allowed out of the house to socialise with non-believers.

my cousins were allowed to do everything they wanted but chose not to keep my company because i am not a witness. and i know all about it because i was 'studying' to become one and at a young age chose not to follow.

and with all faith groups you will find true believers as well as cynical, exploitative people out for their own gain. i don't know about anywhere else but a lot of the kingdom halls in london are full of hypocrites, liars, thieves and adulterers.

mykarma
Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:41 AM
1. [quote]Why this particular religion... wouldn't that be *any* religion?I do feel the same about any religion. It appears as though this religion seems to be the blunt of most negativity on this board.

IMO, seems as though some people (not referring to you) on this board might do well to attend some "interfaith meetings".