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AcesHigh
Sep 11th, 2007, 03:57 AM
I'm not touting myself as an objective observer. Honestly, I stayed away from tennis completely(except for watching some of hte men's final :hearts: ) after my fave Venus lost.

But honestly, US Open has showed us a lot of things I believe and I just want to get to hear some fans give what they think about what happened and what it means for the future without bashing another player or praising their own faves. Of course, we all have favorites so it would be interesting if you learned anything new about your fave too.

Here's my take on the Open:

The gap has become apparent between what is left of the Big Four(WilliamsX & the Belgians) and the rest of the tour. What has even become more apparent is that not much separates Justine, Serena and Venus whereas so many fans were quick to say that Serena was untouchable, and that any WS would kick Justine's ass on hardcourts.
Although Justine won, it seems to me that in no way does this mean she will dominate the next year. IMO, we finally have some very good possible rivalries on our hands for the next few years and we have a good race towards someone possibly even matching BJK's 12 slams.

We also learned that Jankovic is the real deal, a definite slam contender in a sea of young pretenders that need to strengthen themselves mentally b4 they challenge the Big Three. I'm most looking forward to see if Justine will go on a FEderer like run, if Venus can sustain her form.... or if Serena can return to form(and fitness)

supergrunt
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:06 AM
Yeah
I guess I have to except that Justine, Venus, and Serena, are now equals. Everyone keeps saying that Justine whooped Venus and Serena... and I really don't feel that way. Those first sets could have gone either way. Venus and Serena will have to be tougher metnally next time.

supergrunt
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:07 AM
even though Justine played 100% and Venus and Serena didn't

friendsita
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:07 AM
Interesting

stevos
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:08 AM
I like your take, and I like that you said you don't think Justine will be dominating next year.
So many people on here have seemed to pencil her in for the Golden Slam, just by watching her great performance this tournament.

I'm not belittling Justine's play, just saying that things can change VERY fast. Trust me, I've gone through the emotions (Sharapova fan :o) where last year everyone thought Maria would be dominating, somewhat.

I think Jelena has a great game and great personality, however I don't know if she can keep the focus to go all the way and win a slam. To get to the finals, I think for sure if she can get a good draw. However, winning a slam is a whole other story, just ask Dementieva. I love Jelena and I think she's great for women's tennis, but I am doubting her Grand Slam Champion qualities just now. However, I will not be surprised if she does win a slam next year.
I feel the same way about Chakvetadze, I enjoy her game a lot, but mentally I believe she is a bit too fragile to take the big one right away.

Rtael
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:22 AM
even though Justine played 100% and Venus and Serena didn't


You just can't resist can you?

Rtael
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:23 AM
I like your take, and I like that you said you don't think Justine will be dominating next year.
So many people on here have seemed to pencil her in for the Golden Slam, just by watching her great performance this tournament.




Dude fuck off. Someone started a thread posing the question whether she could or not, and almost every single person said she probably wouldn't and no one "penciled her in". Douche.

maximus82
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:28 AM
I agree with the opening poster's assessment as well. There are clearly tiers in current women's tennis, with Juju, Serena and Venus in Tier I....Jelena/Ana as Tier II...then the Kooz, Maria, Anna afterwards (although I can see where people might argue that any of those three are Tier II).

I also agree re: Juju and dominance...I am a huge fan of Justine's, but even I think those speculations are too much. Her wins at the USO show that she *can* beat Serena and Vee on hard courts...something she hadn't ever done before. It doesn't mean she will win in the future, but it does mean that we can anticipate closer matches between them (instead of just predicting a Williams win on hard and a Juju win on clay). I hope the Williams sisters are healthy and can play the clay season next year and make matches on that surface competitive (they can, if they are fit/committed).

I personally hope/think that if Jelena can resist over-playing (I think 18-20 tournaments would be enough for her), then she could pick up a Slam or two in the next years...same with Ana, if she can get over the hump of tightening up for her big matches.


I just *really really really* hope that injuries don't take any of the big players out the season....I know, a pipe dream, but I at least Henin can full a Federer-esque escape from the injury bug.

floco
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:31 AM
And dont forget that Davenport and Mauresmo are coming back. Maybe even Pierce? (big question mark)
If Amelie could find back her 2006 form, then she could be the one Henin doesnt wanna meet in a GS final...

aussie
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:43 AM
wow supergrunt is actually saying something positive about Henin :eek: though a bit blighted by that little additional comment


(hey stevos, do you listen to Sigur Ros too? I don't know that much about them but I particularly liked that album you have as your avatar...)

go hingis
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:54 AM
I don't see any of the girls going on a Federer type run but I think Federer plays the tour more then Justine, Serena or Venus. Federer can play at that level without injuries while the girls simply cannot.

Martina is the only player allowed to get on such a run.

tennnisfannn
Sep 11th, 2007, 06:44 AM
Good thread. But I do think Maria is every bit as good as Justine and the williams. She is having a tough year, most players have that from time to time.(call this her spohomore year coz she never really had one.)
That said, I can only imagine how motiavted the williams will be and that should make for intersting match ups.
But I also do believe the big three only have a year to take advantage of being on the tail end of a different generation, in a little while the young ones will be tougher and stronger and making a name for themselves too.

Tennisstar86
Sep 11th, 2007, 07:57 AM
Good thread. But I do think Maria is every bit as good as Justine and the williams. She is having a tough year, most players have that from time to time.(call this her spohomore year coz she never really had one.)
That said, I can only imagine how motiavted the williams will be and that should make for intersting match ups.
But I also do believe the big three only have a year to take advantage of being on the tail end of a different generation, in a little while the young ones will be tougher and stronger and making a name for themselves too.

I disagree.... i think they can ride this train for 2-3 years... the US open showed me 1 thing. The gap is HUGE.... they've prolly only got a year before Ana catches up... but the rest have a while to go.. Yes, Justine will definately not dominate Venus... and if Serena gets into shape she definately wont dominate her either...

That said Jankovic is the real deal and she already said next year her schedule will be much smaller this year she was just already commited because last year she was on a 9 tourny 1rst round exit....

At this point Id include Jelena on a tear ahead of Ivanovic and Maria is nowhere near that tear.....shes got a lot og things to work on IMO.... And she needs to start with getting a new coach....:help: one that can stick around whe shes about to lose...

Forehand_Volley
Sep 11th, 2007, 09:10 AM
I'm not touting myself as an objective observer. Honestly, I stayed away from tennis completely(except for watching some of hte men's final :hearts: ) after my fave Venus lost.

But honestly, US Open has showed us a lot of things I believe and I just want to get to hear some fans give what they think about what happened and what it means for the future without bashing another player or praising their own faves. Of course, we all have favorites so it would be interesting if you learned anything new about your fave too.

Here's my take on the Open:

The gap has become apparent between what is left of the Big Four(WilliamsX & the Belgians) and the rest of the tour. What has even become more apparent is that not much separates Justine, Serena and Venus whereas so many fans were quick to say that Serena was untouchable, and that any WS would kick Justine's ass on hardcourts.
Although Justine won, it seems to me that in no way does this mean she will dominate the next year. IMO, we finally have some very good possible rivalries on our hands for the next few years and we have a good race towards someone possibly even matching BJK's 12 slams.

We also learned that Jankovic is the real deal, a definite slam contender in a sea of young pretenders that need to strengthen themselves mentally b4 they challenge the Big Three. I'm most looking forward to see if Justine will go on a FEderer like run, if Venus can sustain her form.... or if Serena can return to form(and fitness)


Henin won the 2007 US Open in straight sets, defeating three former US Open Champions.

In 2007, Henin is a combined 9-1 against Jelena Jankovic, Serena Williams and Venus Williams on grass, hardcourt and clay. She last played Maria Sharapova at the 2006 YEC.

Barring injury, everyone in the top 20 will have to raise their level of play to defeat Christine in 2008 on any surface.

Wayn77
Sep 11th, 2007, 09:37 AM
even though Justine played 100% and Venus and Serena didn't

errrr no.

Justine played the most aggressively I think I have ever seen her on hard-court.
Controlled Aggression.
Like all great players (and I include the sistas's, Federer etc.) she searches for the 100% when she most needs it. Sweetly moving the gears I think they call it. Henin had her fair share of mediocre, "taking stock" patches of play against the two sisters.

mankind
Sep 11th, 2007, 10:01 AM
Justine could dominate WTA but IMO I think she is quite mentally weak. Exhibit A: Wimbledon; Exhibit B: all those GS finals she lost last year.

Hopefully this USO win will give her more confidence in her abilities to consistently win slams other than RG. I think she can do it.

bandabou
Sep 11th, 2007, 11:36 AM
Hmm...nice analysis. Next year should be interesting.

Brαm
Sep 11th, 2007, 11:45 AM
Justine could dominate WTA but IMO I think she is quite mentally weak. Exhibit A: Wimbledon; Exhibit B: all those GS finals she lost last year. Mentally weak? :help:

Justine is no.1 because she's so good at winning the key points. That's mental strength IMO!

Matt01
Sep 11th, 2007, 12:23 PM
Mentally weak? :help:

Justine is no.1 because she's so good at winning the key points. That's mental strength IMO!

Agreed ;)

DimaDinosaur
Sep 11th, 2007, 12:30 PM
even though Justine played 100% and Venus and Serena didn't

After your first post in this thread, I wanted to give you credit, but then you immediately followed it with this shit, so :lol: I guess it's all in good fun :yeah: :lol:

DimaDinosaur
Sep 11th, 2007, 12:36 PM
Justine could dominate WTA but IMO I think she is quite mentally weak. Exhibit A: Wimbledon; Exhibit B: all those GS finals she lost last year.

Hopefully this USO win will give her more confidence in her abilities to consistently win slams other than RG. I think she can do it.



Evidence against her being mentally weak. Exhibit A: Juju had set point against Serena at *5-4 40-30. Then she was broken and down set point against her. The momentum shifted so quickly and it seems that JH was gonna lose the set and the match. Next thing you knew, BLAM! 7-6(3) 6-1

Exhibit B: Against Venus, V hit winners on two of the 3 set points and drew a focred error from Justine on the 3rd set point. Justine did not give up and won the 1st set 7-6 (2) Venus broke Juju at *5-3 in the 2nd set and then had *4-5 30-0 before Justine decided to be more mentally tough and win 4 points in a row and the match.

BOTH MATCHES COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY. IN NO WAY, DID JUSTINE DOMINATE EITHER OPPONENT. But the victories were in straight sets, not three sets. So what does that tell you? Justine stepped it up a notch when she had too.

Donny
Sep 11th, 2007, 12:48 PM
Henin won the 2007 US Open in straight sets, defeating three former US Open Champions.

In 2007, Henin is a combined 9-1 against Jelena Jankovic, Serena Williams and Venus Williams on grass, hardcourt and clay. She last played Maria Sharapova at the 2006 YEC.

Barring injury, everyone in the top 20 will have to raise their level of play to defeat Christine in 2008 on any surface.

People said the same of Federer at the beginning of the year. Now look: Lost Miami and Indian Wells to the same player, nearly lost Wimbledon, lost in Montreal, and very nearly could have been down two sets to love in the Wimbledon final, had Djokovic not choked.

The gap between Fed and the rest of the ATP is a chasm compared to that between Henin and the WTA- if one exists at all.

Serena had set point against Henin at the USO. It's silly to think that she couldn't do it again, twice in a match. Exactly how much does Serena have to raise her play? Enough to CONVERT a set point on Henin's serve?

Andy T
Sep 11th, 2007, 03:07 PM
I don't think Justine is mentally weak. Monica Seles didn't win Wimbledon either and Venus hasn't won in Paris or Melbourne but in none of those cases is it down to mental weakness. Nadal has lost two Wimbledon finals but noone would consider that a sign of weakness Justine wasn't good enough to stop Venus in their final and the Mauresmo match was a fine struggle which went down to the wire. I think Wimbledon will alsways be the biggest challenge for Justine simply because her game and physique are less suited to grass and she usually comes in tired after winning RG and playing Eastbourne.

"All those finals"? Justine's lost 4/11 finals played: one as a young underdog at Wimbledon to Venus, one in Australia on a retirement, one titan struggle with Mauresmo at Wimbledon which went down to the wire and one vs Sharapova in NY.

I'm happy that Justine managed to win in NY and establish that she's #1 for 2007 because it should finally put paid to the myth that she's a claycourt specialist: she's now won 3/7 majors on hardcourts.

SerenaAndTheVee
Sep 11th, 2007, 04:55 PM
"We also learned that Jankovic is the real deal, a definite slam contender in a sea of young pretenders that need to strengthen themselves mentally b4 they challenge the Big Three."

That's how I feel about Jankovic too. There are just a few things she needs to work out in her game and then she'll be on her way to Grand Slam glory.

Mightymirza
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:03 PM
tier 1- Justine,Venus,Serena
tier 2-Ana,Sharpie,Jelena,Anna

Random variables-Kuznetsova(can vary from tier 1 to tier 5 freely :lol: )

Jelena isnt in tier 1 because she isnt eually formidable as the golden trio..She is a good matchup for venus but can be beaten by Ana :shrug:

DA FOREHAND
Sep 11th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Henin won the 2007 US Open in straight sets, defeating three former US Open Champions.

In 2007, Henin is a combined 9-1 against Jelena Jankovic, Serena Williams and Venus Williams on grass, hardcourt and clay. She last played Maria Sharapova at the 2006 YEC.

Barring injury, everyone in the top 20 will have to raise their level of play to defeat Christine in 2008 on any surface.

that sounds like an amazing stat, until you break it down to ea individual player. Justine only played Venus once. :rolleyes: Hardly an indication of dominance. less you forget Justine was drubbed by Marion Bartoli:wavey: